Re: hostkarma junkemailfilter

2008-11-24 Thread Jan P. Kessler

mouss schrieb:

Micah Anderson a écrit :
  

Benny Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



On Tue, November 18, 2008 22:16, Henrik K wrote:

postfwd and trusted_networks msa_networks is what i do use here, then minimal
dns lookups is needed olso, facebook have random helo so need to be
whitelisted hard in postfwd and in spamassassin, i have contacted facebook
about it, but the problem might still be there

i like your postfwd config
  

Where is this postfwd config you refer to? I would like to see this.




he probably meant
http://hege.li/howto/spam/etc/postfwd/postfwd.conf
  


A real-world configuration by Henrik Krohns on http://postfwd.org.




Re: hostkarma junkemailfilter

2008-11-20 Thread Micah Anderson
Benny Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, November 18, 2008 22:16, Henrik K wrote:

 postfwd and trusted_networks msa_networks is what i do use here, then minimal
 dns lookups is needed olso, facebook have random helo so need to be
 whitelisted hard in postfwd and in spamassassin, i have contacted facebook
 about it, but the problem might still be there

 i like your postfwd config

Where is this postfwd config you refer to? I would like to see this.

micah



Re: hostkarma junkemailfilter

2008-11-20 Thread mouss
Micah Anderson a écrit :
 Benny Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 On Tue, November 18, 2008 22:16, Henrik K wrote:

 postfwd and trusted_networks msa_networks is what i do use here, then minimal
 dns lookups is needed olso, facebook have random helo so need to be
 whitelisted hard in postfwd and in spamassassin, i have contacted facebook
 about it, but the problem might still be there

 i like your postfwd config
 
 Where is this postfwd config you refer to? I would like to see this.
 

he probably meant
http://hege.li/howto/spam/etc/postfwd/postfwd.conf



Re: hostkarma junkemailfilter

2008-11-20 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Micah Anderson wrote on  Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:04:44 -0500:

 Where is this postfwd config you refer to?

I found it yesterday easily by just googling for, uh, postfwd.

Kai

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Re: hostkarma junkemailfilter

2008-11-18 Thread Marc Perkel



Henrik K wrote:

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 03:29:07PM -0500, Micah Anderson wrote:
  

Over at another post about Phishing[0], Brent suggested setting up
hostkarma.junkemailfilter to my RBL list, which I have done... However
it seems to hit a lot of spams giving them a -5 scoring. I've either got
this configured backwards, or this isn't working very well because it
whitelists too much actual spam. I copied the examples[1] directly from
their wiki...

Does anyone have any experience with these? I'm removing the JMF-WHITE
because its not helping at all, but I wonder if others have experience?



I still maintain my position. Good for point or two, but way too many big
legimate smtp gateways and listservers listed for my traffic. Almost 30% of
hits are FPs. Marc has good ideas, but the execution is lacking.

http://marc.info/?l=spamassassin-usersm=120611144819910


  


If we had a 30% FP rate we would be out of business. I think that's an 
exaggeration.


Re: hostkarma junkemailfilter

2008-11-18 Thread Henrik K
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:34:36PM -0800, Marc Perkel wrote:

 If we had a 30% FP rate we would be out of business. I think that's an  
 exaggeration.

What do you call 294 hams out of 836 JMF hits then?

Don't take it personally, even barracuda has similar ratio. I can't add many
points with it either.

Spamcop and Spamhaus are pretty much 0% FP over here, but of course you
can't expect every list have the same resources.

The problem is catching smallish local ISP type relays. If such users send
lots of ham inside Finland and only the occasional spam/virus leak to some
US honeypot, it's no surprise your list can't be foolproof. I guess I have
to build my own trust database to counteract that..



Re: hostkarma junkemailfilter

2008-11-18 Thread Henrik K
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:16:27PM +0200, Henrik K wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:34:36PM -0800, Marc Perkel wrote:
 
  If we had a 30% FP rate we would be out of business. I think that's an  
  exaggeration.
 
 What do you call 294 hams out of 836 JMF hits then?

To be fair, I do have zen etc blocking most stuff at MTA directly. So the
real FP rate of course isn't the value that shows up in SA. So it does
sound worse than it is.



Re: hostkarma junkemailfilter

2008-11-18 Thread Benny Pedersen

On Tue, November 18, 2008 22:16, Henrik K wrote:

 The problem is catching smallish local ISP type relays. If such users send
 lots of ham inside Finland and only the occasional spam/virus leak to some
 US honeypot, it's no surprise your list can't be foolproof. I guess I have
 to build my own trust database to counteract that..

postfwd and trusted_networks msa_networks is what i do use here, then minimal
dns lookups is needed olso, facebook have random helo so need to be
whitelisted hard in postfwd and in spamassassin, i have contacted facebook
about it, but the problem might still be there

i like your postfwd config

-- 
Benny Pedersen
Need more webspace ? http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust37098



hostkarma junkemailfilter

2008-11-16 Thread Micah Anderson

Over at another post about Phishing[0], Brent suggested setting up
hostkarma.junkemailfilter to my RBL list, which I have done... However
it seems to hit a lot of spams giving them a -5 scoring. I've either got
this configured backwards, or this isn't working very well because it
whitelists too much actual spam. I copied the examples[1] directly from
their wiki...

Does anyone have any experience with these? I'm removing the JMF-WHITE
because its not helping at all, but I wonder if others have experience?

header __RCVD_IN_JMF 
eval:check_rbl('JMF-lastexternal','hostkarma.junkemailfilter.com.')
describe __RCVD_IN_JMF Sender listed in JunkEmailFilter
tflags __RCVD_IN_JMF net
 
header RCVD_IN_JMF_W eval:check_rbl_sub('JMF-lastexternal', '127.0.0.1')
describe RCVD_IN_JMF_W Sender listed in JMF-WHITE
tflags RCVD_IN_JMF_W net nice
score RCVD_IN_JMF_W -5
 
header RCVD_IN_JMF_BL eval:check_rbl_sub('JMF-lastexternal', '127.0.0.2')
describe RCVD_IN_JMF_BL Sender listed in JMF-BLACK
tflags RCVD_IN_JMF_BL net
score RCVD_IN_JMF_BL 3.0
 
header RCVD_IN_JMF_BR eval:check_rbl_sub('JMF-lastexternal', '127.0.0.4')
describe RCVD_IN_JMF_BR Sender listed in JMF-BROWN
tflags RCVD_IN_JMF_BR net
score RCVD_IN_JMF_BR 1.0

0. http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.mail.spam.spamassassin.general/113625
1. http://wiki.junkemailfilter.com/index.php/Spam_DNS_Lists

micah



Re: hostkarma junkemailfilter

2008-11-16 Thread Henrik K
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 03:29:07PM -0500, Micah Anderson wrote:
 
 Over at another post about Phishing[0], Brent suggested setting up
 hostkarma.junkemailfilter to my RBL list, which I have done... However
 it seems to hit a lot of spams giving them a -5 scoring. I've either got
 this configured backwards, or this isn't working very well because it
 whitelists too much actual spam. I copied the examples[1] directly from
 their wiki...
 
 Does anyone have any experience with these? I'm removing the JMF-WHITE
 because its not helping at all, but I wonder if others have experience?

I still maintain my position. Good for point or two, but way too many big
legimate smtp gateways and listservers listed for my traffic. Almost 30% of
hits are FPs. Marc has good ideas, but the execution is lacking.

http://marc.info/?l=spamassassin-usersm=120611144819910