AW: German console output
Hi Mark, thanks for having answered. > I can answer for the CollabNet binaries. We do not compile it with > the internationalization support included so you will only see English > messages. I would be interested in the reasons for this decision. Paul > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Mark Phippard [mailto:markp...@gmail.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Oktober 2010 23:48 > An: Paul Maier > Cc: users@subversion.apache.org > Betreff: Re: German console output > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Paul Maier wrote: > > > I would be interested in why the Windows binaries from > CollabNet and WANdisco > > aren't able to print messages from svn commands in German > language to the console. > > > > (Whereas the binaries from Win32Svn at http://alagazam.net > are able to do so!) > > > > The internationalization module seems to be missing in > CollabNet's and WANdisco's > > compilation, isn't it? > > I can answer for the CollabNet binaries. We do not compile it with > the internationalization support included so you will only see English > messages. > > -- > Thanks > > Mark Phippard > http://markphip.blogspot.com/
AW: German console output
Hi Mark, So I want to post to the list, that I am a user who IS looking for German output. That was quite an installation procedure, first to install then deinstall CollabNet's binaries (because not internationalized) then the same for WANdisco's binaries. Also both, CollabNet and Wandisco, don't include the BDB module. Finally I found the full compilation including German support and BDB at Win32Svn at http://alagazam.net. These are the binaries I am now working with. I was just wondering why CollabNet doesn't also offer a full compilation will all modules and internationalized. (Since Svn origined at CollabNet.) I understand the issue with the download size. Just a proposal: Why not offering two kinds of binary packages at CollabNet?: One small size package as now (without language support and without BDB) and a full package with all available modules. Paul > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Mark Phippard [mailto:markp...@gmail.com] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Oktober 2010 00:12 > An: Paul Maier > Cc: users@subversion.apache.org > Betreff: Re: German console output > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Paul Maier wrote: > > >> I can answer for the CollabNet binaries. We do not compile it with > >> the internationalization support included so you will only > see English > >> messages. > > > > I would be interested in the reasons for this decision. > > I would guess it was an oversight at first (I was not around when > CollabNet first started providing binaries). I did not notice they > were not included until around the time 1.5 was coming out and at the > time we had higher priority changes we were making. Eventually, I > just dropped it because no one ever asked for them. I have heard > users in this forum indicate they prefer to just see the messages in > English and ask how to turn them off -- maybe that is why? They also > add considerable amount of size to the download. > > -- > Thanks > > Mark Phippard > http://markphip.blogspot.com/
Re: AW: German console output
Guten Tag Paul Maier, am Donnerstag, 21. Oktober 2010 um 01:48 schrieben Sie: > So I want to post to the list, that I am a user who IS looking for > German output. Me too. > Finally I found the full compilation including German support and BDB at > Win32Svn at http://alagazam.net. These are the binaries I am now > working with. And these binaries provide the stand alone server without any useless overhead. > I understand the issue with the download size. I don't, CollabNet Subversion Edge 1.2.2 is provided and integrates, in my opinion, useless Apache and ViewVC. On the other side just providing the client of, just for me of course, the most important thing of CollabNet Subversion Edge 1.2.2 is a strange decision. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Thorsten Schöning -- Thorsten Schöning AM-SoFT IT-Systeme - Hameln | Potsdam | Leipzig Telefon: Potsdam: 0331-743881-0 E-Mail: tschoen...@am-soft.de Web: http://www.am-soft.de AM-SoFT GmbH IT-Systeme, Konsumhof 1-5, 14482 Potsdam Amtsgericht Potsdam HRB 21278 P, Geschäftsführer: Andreas Muchow
Re: AW: German console output
2010/10/21 Thorsten Schöning : > I don't, CollabNet Subversion Edge 1.2.2 is provided and integrates, > in my opinion, useless Apache and ViewVC. On the other side just > providing the client of, just for me of course, the most important > thing of CollabNet Subversion Edge 1.2.2 is a strange decision. It is a server distribution. Apache and ViewVC are not useless, they are critical parts of a functioning server distribution. We offer a separate download for users looking for a client. We do not expect people looking for a command line client to download CollabNet Subversion Edge. That is not its purpose. -- Thanks Mark Phippard http://markphip.blogspot.com/
Re: AW: German console output
Guten Tag Mark Phippard, am Donnerstag, 21. Oktober 2010 um 14:53 schrieben Sie: > It is a server distribution. Apache and ViewVC are not useless, they > are critical parts of a functioning server distribution. Only for those who don't already run Apache and don't want to use the stand alone server Subversion provides. And why is ViewVC preferred over WebSVN, for example? I already run Apache, prefer WebSVN and a setup where Subversion runs it's own server, or in my case two of them. The point is, that people like me, or maybe just me at all ;-), would really appreciate an (semi-?)official download source where I can just download win32 binaries with all parts of Subversion, without overhead like Apache and ViewVC. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Thorsten Schöning -- Thorsten Schöning AM-SoFT IT-Systeme - Hameln | Potsdam | Leipzig Telefon: Potsdam: 0331-743881-0 E-Mail: tschoen...@am-soft.de Web: http://www.am-soft.de AM-SoFT GmbH IT-Systeme, Konsumhof 1-5, 14482 Potsdam Amtsgericht Potsdam HRB 21278 P, Geschäftsführer: Andreas Muchow
Re: AW: German console output
Hallo! Am 21. Oktober 2010 16:01 schrieb Thorsten Schöning : > > > The point is, that people like me, or maybe just me at all ;-), would > really appreciate an (semi-?)official download source where I can just > download win32 binaries with all parts of Subversion, without overhead > like Apache and ViewVC. > I haven't checked, but can't you deselect Apache and/or ViewVC during installation? If so, then I don't get what the fuss is about - just the download size? Is it 1990? ;) I mean, really, who cares about the size of a download (on the user side - I do understand that a "provider" very much might care about the download size, as they might have to pay for every byte which is downloaded by a user)? Cheers, Alexander -- ↯Lifestream (Twitter, Blog, …) ↣ http://alexs77.soup.io/ ↯ ↯ Chat (Jabber/Google Talk) ↣ a.sk...@gmail.com , AIM: alexws77 ↯
Re: AW: German console output
2010/10/21 Thorsten Schöning : >> It is a server distribution. Apache and ViewVC are not useless, they >> are critical parts of a functioning server distribution. > > Only for those who don't already run Apache and don't want to use the > stand alone server Subversion provides. And why is ViewVC preferred > over WebSVN, for example? I already run Apache, prefer WebSVN and a > setup where Subversion runs it's own server, or in my case two of > them. CollabNet Subversion Edge is not aimed at people with the skills and desire to put their own server together. It provides all of the components so that it can provide something that just works. CollabNet also only provides software that it supports with its SLA. We have engineers that wrote ViewVC and we can support it if bugs or other issues arise. WebSVN requires PHP which would require deploying mod_php etc. ViewVC requires Python. We prefer the latter because a lot of users will want Python for hook scripts so we get a 2 for 1. In the past, running PHP in the same Apache server as Subversion has been known the cause problems as well. > The point is, that people like me, or maybe just me at all ;-), would > really appreciate an (semi-?)official download source where I can just > download win32 binaries with all parts of Subversion, without overhead > like Apache and ViewVC. We have always included Apache and ViewVC in our server distribution. With CollabNet Subversion Edge we have just taken the ease of use and out of box experience up a few notches making it extremely simple to install and configure the server. We still provide our old binary packages (with latest SVN release of course), but I think most people will prefer the packaging and simplicity of the new product. Around the time 1.7 rolls out I am going to look into adding an option in our client installer to include the mod_dav_svn modules so that someone rolling their own server can just use the simple client installer to get the binaries. Of course if you do this you'll be on your own for making it work with the version of Apache you have installed. -- Thanks Mark Phippard http://markphip.blogspot.com/
RE: AW: German console output
> Guten Tag Mark Phippard, > am Donnerstag, 21. Oktober 2010 um 14:53 schrieben Sie: > > > It is a server distribution. Apache and ViewVC are not useless, > they > > are critical parts of a functioning server distribution. > > Only for those who don't already run Apache and don't want to use > the > stand alone server Subversion provides. And why is ViewVC preferred > over WebSVN, for example? I already run Apache, prefer WebSVN and a > setup where Subversion runs it's own server, or in my case two of > them. > > The point is, that people like me, or maybe just me at all ;-), > would > really appreciate an (semi-?)official download source where I can > just > download win32 binaries with all parts of Subversion, without > overhead > like Apache and ViewVC. > Collabnet's server install does have that. Just tell it not to install Apache. Is it DL size you are worried about? BOb
Re: AW: German console output
Guten Tag Mark Phippard, am Donnerstag, 21. Oktober 2010 um 16:07 schrieben Sie: > Around > the time 1.7 rolls out I am going to look into adding an option in our > client installer to include the mod_dav_svn modules so that someone > rolling their own server can just use the simple client installer to > get the binaries. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't use mod_dav_svn because what I meant with stand alone server was is running svnserve.exe which I in my opinion is an even easier setup than using Apache. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Thorsten Schöning -- Thorsten Schöning AM-SoFT IT-Systeme - Hameln | Potsdam | Leipzig Telefon: Potsdam: 0331-743881-0 E-Mail: tschoen...@am-soft.de Web: http://www.am-soft.de AM-SoFT GmbH IT-Systeme, Konsumhof 1-5, 14482 Potsdam Amtsgericht Potsdam HRB 21278 P, Geschäftsführer: Andreas Muchow
Re: AW: German console output
2010/10/21 Thorsten Schöning : > Guten Tag Mark Phippard, > am Donnerstag, 21. Oktober 2010 um 16:07 schrieben Sie: > >> Around >> the time 1.7 rolls out I am going to look into adding an option in our >> client installer to include the mod_dav_svn modules so that someone >> rolling their own server can just use the simple client installer to >> get the binaries. > > Maybe I'm wrong but I don't use mod_dav_svn because what I meant with > stand alone server was is running svnserve.exe which I in my opinion > is an even easier setup than using Apache. Well, as pointed out, that is already provided in the older server installer that is provided. Just do not choose to install Apache. We have no plans to support svnserve in CollabNet Subversion Edge. This is clearly listed in the posted information for the product. -- Thanks Mark Phippard http://markphip.blogspot.com/
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Guten Tag Alexander Skwar, am Donnerstag, 21. Oktober 2010 um 16:06 schrieben Sie: > I haven't checked, but can't you deselect Apache and/or ViewVC > during installation? I just don't want to check out if I know what I need. > If so, then I don't get what the fuss is about - > just the download size? Is it 1990? ;) I mean, really, who cares > about the size of a download (on the user side - I do understand > that a "provider" very much might care about the download size, > as they might have to pay for every byte which is downloaded > by a user)? I have no concerns about download size, if Collabnet can afford providing 80 or 100 MB downloads for people like me, who would just need a complete binary Subversion package. Someone else concerned about download size and I argued against it. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Thorsten Schöning -- Thorsten Schöning AM-SoFT IT-Systeme - Hameln | Potsdam | Leipzig Telefon: Potsdam: 0331-743881-0 E-Mail: tschoen...@am-soft.de Web: http://www.am-soft.de AM-SoFT GmbH IT-Systeme, Konsumhof 1-5, 14482 Potsdam Amtsgericht Potsdam HRB 21278 P, Geschäftsführer: Andreas Muchow
Re: AW: German console output
Guten Tag Mark Phippard, am Donnerstag, 21. Oktober 2010 um 16:50 schrieben Sie: > We have no plans to support svnserve in CollabNet Subversion Edge. > This is clearly listed in the posted information for the product. Edge was just an example why I thought that download size didn't matter in your decision to not provide e.g. BDB etc. I don't use edge, what I need, and thought you don't provide anymore, is something like "CollabNet Subversion Server and Client v1.6.13 (for Windows)". Sorry for misleading the discussion. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Thorsten Schöning -- Thorsten Schöning AM-SoFT IT-Systeme - Hameln | Potsdam | Leipzig Telefon: Potsdam: 0331-743881-0 E-Mail: tschoen...@am-soft.de Web: http://www.am-soft.de AM-SoFT GmbH IT-Systeme, Konsumhof 1-5, 14482 Potsdam Amtsgericht Potsdam HRB 21278 P, Geschäftsführer: Andreas Muchow
Re: AW: German console output
2010/10/21 Thorsten Schöning : > Guten Tag Mark Phippard, > am Donnerstag, 21. Oktober 2010 um 16:50 schrieben Sie: > >> We have no plans to support svnserve in CollabNet Subversion Edge. >> This is clearly listed in the posted information for the product. > > Edge was just an example why I thought that download size didn't > matter in your decision to not provide e.g. BDB etc. I don't use edge, > what I need, and thought you don't provide anymore, is something > like "CollabNet Subversion Server and Client v1.6.13 (for Windows)". I assume you have since found that download. It is still provided and updated with new releases. -- Thanks Mark Phippard http://markphip.blogspot.com/
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> 2010/10/21 Thorsten Schöning : > > Guten Tag Mark Phippard, > > am Donnerstag, 21. Oktober 2010 um 16:50 schrieben Sie: > > > >> We have no plans to support svnserve in CollabNet Subversion > Edge. > >> This is clearly listed in the posted information for the > product. > > > > Edge was just an example why I thought that download size didn't > > matter in your decision to not provide e.g. BDB etc. I don't use > edge, > > what I need, and thought you don't provide anymore, is something > > like "CollabNet Subversion Server and Client v1.6.13 (for > Windows)". > > I assume you have since found that download. It is still provided > and > updated with new releases. No.. where is it? I only see the Edge builds and the Command-line only build. Where is the server and client build? I am looking here: http://www.open.collab.net/downloads/subversion/ BOb
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On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Bob Archer wrote: >> 2010/10/21 Thorsten Schöning : >> > Guten Tag Mark Phippard, >> > am Donnerstag, 21. Oktober 2010 um 16:50 schrieben Sie: >> > >> >> We have no plans to support svnserve in CollabNet Subversion >> Edge. >> >> This is clearly listed in the posted information for the >> product. >> > >> > Edge was just an example why I thought that download size didn't >> > matter in your decision to not provide e.g. BDB etc. I don't use >> edge, >> > what I need, and thought you don't provide anymore, is something >> > like "CollabNet Subversion Server and Client v1.6.13 (for >> Windows)". >> >> I assume you have since found that download. It is still provided >> and >> updated with new releases. > > No.. where is it? I only see the Edge builds and the Command-line only build. > Where is the server and client > build? I am looking here: http://www.open.collab.net/downloads/subversion/ There is a link on top of page to See previous releases. That page includes the old server installer. -- Thanks Mark Phippard http://markphip.blogspot.com/
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Guten Tag Bob Archer, am Donnerstag, 21. Oktober 2010 um 17:57 schrieben Sie: > No.. where is it? I didn't see it, too. http://www.open.collab.net/downloads/subversion/svn1.5.html Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Thorsten Schöning -- Thorsten Schöning AM-SoFT IT-Systeme - Hameln | Potsdam | Leipzig Telefon: Potsdam: 0331-743881-0 E-Mail: tschoen...@am-soft.de Web: http://www.am-soft.de AM-SoFT GmbH IT-Systeme, Konsumhof 1-5, 14482 Potsdam Amtsgericht Potsdam HRB 21278 P, Geschäftsführer: Andreas Muchow
