RE: Looking into using Subversion
From: vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za [mailto:vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 1:47 AM To: Ben Reser Cc: Chris Shelton; Nico Kadel-Garcia; Subversion; bob.arc...@amsi.com; Andrew Reedick Subject: Re: Looking into using Subversion Thank you all, Chris Bob, Andrew, Ben. Bob, the Server I am taking about here is our development, not production server so it will be fine. Chris, Andrew, and Ben thank you for given me 3 solutions to explore. I think I am going to give Subversion try, only thing I am not too keen about is the command line interface. Our developers here would prefer a GUI client, any good ones you can suggest? The important thing is to use a 1.8.x client for the improved merging, i.e. not having to use the --reintegrate switch with 'svn merge' anymore. TorstiseSVN on Windows is great. Subclipse supports 1.8.x and works. However, last I checked, NetBeans requires you to set the subversion plugin to use the 1.8.x CLI instead of javahl or svnkit (which are limited to 1.7.) Again, last I checked, non-windows GUI clients also have the problem of being stuck at 1.7.x.
RE: Looking into using Subversion
Thanks again Andrew, I did try TorstiseSVN today, and it working great for me. Enjoy Devlyn From: Andrew Reedick andrew.reed...@cbeyond.net To: vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za, Ben Reser b...@reser.org Cc: Chris Shelton cshel...@shelton-family.net, Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com, Subversion users@subversion.apache.org, bob.arc...@amsi.com bob.arc...@amsi.com Date: 2013/11/19 04:15 PM Subject:RE: Looking into using Subversion From: vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za [ mailto:vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 1:47 AM To: Ben Reser Cc: Chris Shelton; Nico Kadel-Garcia; Subversion; bob.arc...@amsi.com; Andrew Reedick Subject: Re: Looking into using Subversion Thank you all, Chris Bob, Andrew, Ben. Bob, the Server I am taking about here is our development, not production server so it will be fine. Chris, Andrew, and Ben thank you for given me 3 solutions to explore. I think I am going to give Subversion try, only thing I am not too keen about is the command line interface. Our developers here would prefer a GUI client, any good ones you can suggest? The important thing is to use a 1.8.x client for the improved merging, i.e. not having to use the --reintegrate switch with 'svn merge' anymore. TorstiseSVN on Windows is great. Subclipse supports 1.8.x and works. However, last I checked, NetBeans requires you to set the subversion plugin to use the 1.8.x CLI instead of javahl or svnkit (which are limited to 1.7.) Again, last I checked, non-windows GUI clients also have the problem of being stuck at 1.7.x. - This e-mail is subject to the Columbus Stainless [Pty] Ltd Email Legal Notices available at: http://www.columbus.co.za/EmailLegalNotice.htm. - This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal -
Looking into using Subversion
Hi All I have been exploring the Subversion web site, also check out the High-Speed Tutorial. But stilling trying to work out if Subversion will be useful for us. We are developing a PHP Website hosted on our own Linux Server (a development server). We are also using Tomcat to host our website, and handle our Java Web Services for the website. The Developers are using Windows PC to develop, currently using, NetBeans for PHP development. And Eclipse for the Java Web services. The question is, can all the developers, work with the same working copy, which will be on the Linux server? Enjoy Devlyn - This e-mail is subject to the Columbus Stainless [Pty] Ltd Email Legal Notices available at: http://www.columbus.co.za/EmailLegalNotice.htm. - This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal -
Re: Looking into using Subversion
They can, in theory, but it's awkward. Two people editing the same file, at the same time are really likely to run into conflicts or accidentally mix their changes into the same commit. So I don't recommend it. Why can't they work on their own copies, on their own Tomcat servers, with tuned local Tomcat configs, and merge their changes in their own branches to a single master that is what lives on the website? On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:09 AM, vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za wrote: Hi All I have been exploring the Subversion web site, also check out the High-Speed Tutorial. But stilling trying to work out if Subversion will be useful for us. We are developing a PHP Website hosted on our own Linux Server (a development server). We are also using Tomcat to host our website, and handle our Java Web Services for the website. The Developers are using Windows PC to develop, currently using, NetBeans for PHP development. And Eclipse for the Java Web services. The question is, can all the developers, work with the same working copy, which will be on the Linux server? Enjoy Devlyn This e-mail is subject to the Columbus Stainless [Pty] Ltd Email Legal Notices available at: http://www.columbus.co.za/EmailLegalNotice.htm. This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal
Re: Looking into using Subversion
Thank for your response Nico. We what to debug from our development server. Not sure if there maybe is away to develop on the local PC, and check in the file into the repository (which will be on the Linux Server) which will copy it to the Tomcat's publish folder on the server? From: Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com To: vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za Cc: Subversion users@subversion.apache.org Date: 2013/11/18 02:11 PM Subject:Re: Looking into using Subversion They can, in theory, but it's awkward. Two people editing the same file, at the same time are really likely to run into conflicts or accidentally mix their changes into the same commit. So I don't recommend it. Why can't they work on their own copies, on their own Tomcat servers, with tuned local Tomcat configs, and merge their changes in their own branches to a single master that is what lives on the website? On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:09 AM, vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za wrote: Hi All I have been exploring the Subversion web site, also check out the High-Speed Tutorial. But stilling trying to work out if Subversion will be useful for us. We are developing a PHP Website hosted on our own Linux Server (a development server). We are also using Tomcat to host our website, and handle our Java Web Services for the website. The Developers are using Windows PC to develop, currently using, NetBeans for PHP development. And Eclipse for the Java Web services. The question is, can all the developers, work with the same working copy, which will be on the Linux server? Enjoy Devlyn This e-mail is subject to the Columbus Stainless [Pty] Ltd Email Legal Notices available at: http://www.columbus.co.za/EmailLegalNotice.htm. This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal - This e-mail is subject to the Columbus Stainless [Pty] Ltd Email Legal Notices available at: http://www.columbus.co.za/EmailLegalNotice.htm. - This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal -
Re: Looking into using Subversion
I would suggest looking at the SVN::Notify::Mirror perl module: http://search.cpan.org/~jpeacock/SVN-Notify-Mirror-0.040/lib/SVN/Notify/Mirror.pm It includes a Perl script that is intended for using within a post-commit hook script to perform updates of a working copy after each commit. I have been using it for automated deployment of code changes to a test web server for a few years now with generally reliable results. chris On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:08 AM, vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za wrote: Thank for your response Nico. We what to debug from our development server. Not sure if there maybe is away to develop on the local PC, and check in the file into the repository (which will be on the Linux Server) which will copy it to the Tomcat's publish folder on the server? From:Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com To:vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za Cc:Subversion users@subversion.apache.org Date:2013/11/18 02:11 PM Subject:Re: Looking into using Subversion They can, in theory, but it's awkward. Two people editing the same file, at the same time are really likely to run into conflicts or accidentally mix their changes into the same commit. So I don't recommend it. Why can't they work on their own copies, on their own Tomcat servers, with tuned local Tomcat configs, and merge their changes in their own branches to a single master that is what lives on the website? On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:09 AM, vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za wrote: Hi All I have been exploring the Subversion web site, also check out the High-Speed Tutorial. But stilling trying to work out if Subversion will be useful for us. We are developing a PHP Website hosted on our own Linux Server (a development server). We are also using Tomcat to host our website, and handle our Java Web Services for the website. The Developers are using Windows PC to develop, currently using, NetBeans for PHP development. And Eclipse for the Java Web services. The question is, can all the developers, work with the same working copy, which will be on the Linux server? Enjoy Devlyn
RE: Looking into using Subversion
It seems pretty dangerous to me to just push dev changes to production. I suggest you have a build server, the watches for commits, runs unit tests and then deploys to staging. Once staging is tested you can push to production. But, yea, each dev should have their own working environment. It cause much less conflict and problems. BOb From: vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za [mailto:vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 8:09 AM To: Nico Kadel-Garcia Cc: Subversion Subject: Re: Looking into using Subversion Thank for your response Nico. We what to debug from our development server. Not sure if there maybe is away to develop on the local PC, and check in the file into the repository (which will be on the Linux Server) which will copy it to the Tomcat's publish folder on the server? From:Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.commailto:nka...@gmail.com To: vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.zamailto:vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za Cc:Subversion users@subversion.apache.orgmailto:users@subversion.apache.org Date:2013/11/18 02:11 PM Subject:Re: Looking into using Subversion They can, in theory, but it's awkward. Two people editing the same file, at the same time are really likely to run into conflicts or accidentally mix their changes into the same commit. So I don't recommend it. Why can't they work on their own copies, on their own Tomcat servers, with tuned local Tomcat configs, and merge their changes in their own branches to a single master that is what lives on the website? On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:09 AM, vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.zamailto:vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za wrote: Hi All I have been exploring the Subversion web site, also check out the High-Speed Tutorial. But stilling trying to work out if Subversion will be useful for us. We are developing a PHP Website hosted on our own Linux Server (a development server). We are also using Tomcat to host our website, and handle our Java Web Services for the website. The Developers are using Windows PC to develop, currently using, NetBeans for PHP development. And Eclipse for the Java Web services. The question is, can all the developers, work with the same working copy, which will be on the Linux server? Enjoy Devlyn This e-mail is subject to the Columbus Stainless [Pty] Ltd Email Legal Notices available at: http://www.columbus.co.za/EmailLegalNotice.htm. This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal This e-mail is subject to the Columbus Stainless [Pty] Ltd Email Legal Notices available at: http://www.columbus.co.za/EmailLegalNotice.htm. This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal
Re: Looking into using Subversion
On Nov 18, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Chris Shelton cshel...@shelton-family.net wrote: I would suggest looking at the SVN::Notify::Mirror perl module: http://search.cpan.org/~jpeacock/SVN-Notify-Mirror-0.040/lib/SVN/Notify/Mirror.pm It includes a Perl script that is intended for using within a post-commit hook script to perform updates of a working copy after each commit. I have been using it for automated deployment of code changes to a test web server for a few years now with generally reliable results. That sort of thing can work for a single developer but what little I have heard of the O.P.'s situation I think that solution scares me. A lot of things scare me. First scare is that I often commit unworking or incomplete code when I have reached a milestone that deserves a commit and a commit comment. Just because someone committed the code doesn't mean its ready to go into production. Secondly is more of the above. Multiple developers contributing code needs one project leader to review everything the others have done and interaction between, and make the decision when to tag and send to production. I think you are asking for trouble if everyone routinely automatically pushes their work out to production without the review of another. If developers have the problem of not having their own machine capable of executing the code then give each developer their own working directory under the web server. Make sure everyone understands they have to write position-independent code. No hardcoded file paths into their own work only to well known system resources. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dke...@hiwaay.net Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.
RE: Looking into using Subversion
From: vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za [mailto:vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 8:09 AM To: Nico Kadel-Garcia Cc: Subversion Subject: Re: Looking into using Subversion Thank for your response Nico. We what to debug from our development server. Not sure if there maybe is away to develop on the local PC, and check in the file into the repository (which will be on the Linux Server) which will copy it to the Tomcat's publish folder on the server? Use Jenkins (or other Continuous Integration software) to automatically deploy new commits to the server, and this would be out of the box functionality. Jenkins can be installed as a war, so you could drop it into Tomcat on your dev server as well. Process: Devs check into their own local workspaces. Jenkins polls subversion for new commits. Jenkins automatically deploys to the dev server when it sees the new commit.
Re: Looking into using Subversion
On 11/18/13 7:54 AM, Chris Shelton wrote: I would suggest looking at the SVN::Notify::Mirror perl module: http://search.cpan.org/~jpeacock/SVN-Notify-Mirror-0.040/lib/SVN/Notify/Mirror.pm It includes a Perl script that is intended for using within a post-commit hook script to perform updates of a working copy after each commit. I have been using it for automated deployment of code changes to a test web server for a few years now with generally reliable results. If you want to do this type of thing I'd recommend looking at svnwcsub and the svn pubsub setup. It has the advantage of allowing this without requiring the repository server have access to the machines you are updating. Since the server simply provides a mechanism for the client machines to subscribe and watch for updates. This was introduced along with 1.8.0. Many ASF websites including Subversion's are stored in SVN and automatically updated using this technique. There is a very basic install instructions here: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/branches/1.8.x/tools/server-side/svnpubsub/README.txt Note that this same directory is tools/server-side/svnpubsub in the tarball.
Re: Looking into using Subversion
Thank you all, Chris Bob, Andrew, Ben. Bob, the Server I am taking about here is our development, not production server so it will be fine. Chris, Andrew, and Ben thank you for given me 3 solutions to explore. I think I am going to give Subversion try, only thing I am not too keen about is the command line interface. Our developers here would prefer a GUI client, any good ones you can suggest? From: Ben Reser b...@reser.org To: Chris Shelton cshel...@shelton-family.net, vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za Cc: Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com, Subversion users@subversion.apache.org Date: 2013/11/19 06:27 AM Subject:Re: Looking into using Subversion On 11/18/13 7:54 AM, Chris Shelton wrote: I would suggest looking at the SVN::Notify::Mirror perl module: http://search.cpan.org/~jpeacock/SVN-Notify-Mirror-0.040/lib/SVN/Notify/Mirror.pm It includes a Perl script that is intended for using within a post-commit hook script to perform updates of a working copy after each commit. I have been using it for automated deployment of code changes to a test web server for a few years now with generally reliable results. If you want to do this type of thing I'd recommend looking at svnwcsub and the svn pubsub setup. It has the advantage of allowing this without requiring the repository server have access to the machines you are updating. Since the server simply provides a mechanism for the client machines to subscribe and watch for updates. This was introduced along with 1.8.0. Many ASF websites including Subversion's are stored in SVN and automatically updated using this technique. There is a very basic install instructions here: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/branches/1.8.x/tools/server-side/svnpubsub/README.txt Note that this same directory is tools/server-side/svnpubsub in the tarball. - This e-mail is subject to the Columbus Stainless [Pty] Ltd Email Legal Notices available at: http://www.columbus.co.za/EmailLegalNotice.htm. - This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal -
Re: Looking into using Subversion
Guten Tag vanderwalt.dev...@columbus.co.za, am Dienstag, 19. November 2013 um 07:47 schrieben Sie: I think I am going to give Subversion try, only thing I am not too keen about is the command line interface. Our developers here would prefer a GUI client, any good ones you can suggest? TortoiseSVN on Windows and whatever your IDE provides, Subclipse for example. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Thorsten Schöning -- Thorsten Schöning E-Mail:thorsten.schoen...@am-soft.de AM-SoFT IT-Systeme http://www.AM-SoFT.de/ Telefon...05151- 9468- 55 Fax...05151- 9468- 88 Mobil..0178-8 9468- 04 AM-SoFT GmbH IT-Systeme, Brandenburger Str. 7c, 31789 Hameln AG Hannover HRB 207 694 - Geschäftsführer: Andreas Muchow
