Re: [ANN] JumpStart 3.6: Wizards, Conversations, and more
Not sure whether this is the correct place to ask abt jumpstart or not, however, I really need some hints. Jumpstart is using the hsql embeded in JBoss, I would like to use mysql instead, and i saw the building process does download mysql-connector-java . I wonder how should I configure to use mysql in jumpstart. i'm a newbie in java, hibernate, tapestry , any explanation in detail is much appreciated, thanks. I did some search on google , and I think persistence.xml require modification , am I right ? CG On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:41 AM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's rather anemic by AspectJ standards, but has a number of advantages in terms of working consistently within the T5 IoC framework. Currently, it's just method advice; for services, there is a AspectDecorator service (which may be used from a decorate method). For components, there's a new advise() method on ClassTransformation. The other things you could already do using ClassTransformation (and ComponentClassTransformWorker) also fall into the AOP category. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Adam Zimowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does that mean we'll have T5AOP in 5.0.12 ? Is this going to be a new module or built into core? On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait to see what you put together using the new method advice support in 5.0.12; it makes doing interesting things with methods and annotations much, much easier. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Geoff Callender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, JumpStart 3.6 is now available. It's for Tapestry 5.0.11. New in this release: * Wizards - 3 styles explored: with form fragments, with components, and with separate pages. * Conversations - implemented in the wizards to handle the Back and Reload buttons and sessions shared by new windows. * Conversations List - shows your conversations and lets you jump to them. * Session Display - see what objects are in your session. * Autocomplete Mixin - see it in action. * The Select component - new and better examples. You'll find JumpStart at: http://files.doublenegative.com.au/jumpstart The implementation of conversations is my own invention and has not been used in anger. I'm sure it could be improved, eg. with annotations. I pray that it doesn't have any holes in it, and I look forward to any contributions that will help it along. As always, comments and suggestions are encouraged. Be helpful or brutal - I don't care which - because it all helps to make this stuff more useful. Cheers, Geoff Callender - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] JumpStart 3.6: Wizards, Conversations, and more
Hi, Read the tips on Geoff website: http://files.doublenegative.com.au/jumpstart /Serge CG-6 wrote: Not sure whether this is the correct place to ask abt jumpstart or not, however, I really need some hints. Jumpstart is using the hsql embeded in JBoss, I would like to use mysql instead, and i saw the building process does download mysql-connector-java . I wonder how should I configure to use mysql in jumpstart. i'm a newbie in java, hibernate, tapestry , any explanation in detail is much appreciated, thanks. I did some search on google , and I think persistence.xml require modification , am I right ? CG On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:41 AM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's rather anemic by AspectJ standards, but has a number of advantages in terms of working consistently within the T5 IoC framework. Currently, it's just method advice; for services, there is a AspectDecorator service (which may be used from a decorate method). For components, there's a new advise() method on ClassTransformation. The other things you could already do using ClassTransformation (and ComponentClassTransformWorker) also fall into the AOP category. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Adam Zimowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does that mean we'll have T5AOP in 5.0.12 ? Is this going to be a new module or built into core? On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait to see what you put together using the new method advice support in 5.0.12; it makes doing interesting things with methods and annotations much, much easier. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Geoff Callender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, JumpStart 3.6 is now available. It's for Tapestry 5.0.11. New in this release: * Wizards - 3 styles explored: with form fragments, with components, and with separate pages. * Conversations - implemented in the wizards to handle the Back and Reload buttons and sessions shared by new windows. * Conversations List - shows your conversations and lets you jump to them. * Session Display - see what objects are in your session. * Autocomplete Mixin - see it in action. * The Select component - new and better examples. You'll find JumpStart at: http://files.doublenegative.com.au/jumpstart The implementation of conversations is my own invention and has not been used in anger. I'm sure it could be improved, eg. with annotations. I pray that it doesn't have any holes in it, and I look forward to any contributions that will help it along. As always, comments and suggestions are encouraged. Be helpful or brutal - I don't care which - because it all helps to make this stuff more useful. Cheers, Geoff Callender - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-ANN--JumpStart-3.6%3A-Wizards%2C-Conversations%2C-and-more-tp17000326p17187311.html Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] JumpStart 3.6: Wizards, Conversations, and more
Howard, You're bundling an AOP into T5 core- a mere webframework? This is insane. Howard, Webframework is simple and it seems you keep on over-engineering something this simple. Well, when are you going to bundle a CORBA implementation? This guy is always coming up with an excuse not to release T5. By the time T5 goes final, maybe in 3 years, it'll be the biggest hairy beast we've ever seen. This is all insanity to the power 64. Rob On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait to see what you put together using the new method advice support in 5.0.12; it makes doing interesting things with methods and annotations much, much easier. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Geoff Callender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, JumpStart 3.6 is now available. It's for Tapestry 5.0.11. New in this release: * Wizards - 3 styles explored: with form fragments, with components, and with separate pages. * Conversations - implemented in the wizards to handle the Back and Reload buttons and sessions shared by new windows. * Conversations List - shows your conversations and lets you jump to them. * Session Display - see what objects are in your session. * Autocomplete Mixin - see it in action. * The Select component - new and better examples. You'll find JumpStart at: http://files.doublenegative.com.au/jumpstart The implementation of conversations is my own invention and has not been used in anger. I'm sure it could be improved, eg. with annotations. I pray that it doesn't have any holes in it, and I look forward to any contributions that will help it along. As always, comments and suggestions are encouraged. Be helpful or brutal - I don't care which - because it all helps to make this stuff more useful. Cheers, Geoff Callender - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] JumpStart 3.6: Wizards, Conversations, and more
Rob, I'm on 5.0.11 right now, and I need to advice my page methods. Could you help me with this? Can you tell me exactly how to do it with Spring AOP? Please, be technical enough so that I can implement this using your solution. Thanks, -adam On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard, You're bundling an AOP into T5 core- a mere webframework? This is insane. Howard, Webframework is simple and it seems you keep on over-engineering something this simple. Well, when are you going to bundle a CORBA implementation? This guy is always coming up with an excuse not to release T5. By the time T5 goes final, maybe in 3 years, it'll be the biggest hairy beast we've ever seen. This is all insanity to the power 64. Rob On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait to see what you put together using the new method advice support in 5.0.12; it makes doing interesting things with methods and annotations much, much easier. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Geoff Callender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, JumpStart 3.6 is now available. It's for Tapestry 5.0.11. New in this release: * Wizards - 3 styles explored: with form fragments, with components, and with separate pages. * Conversations - implemented in the wizards to handle the Back and Reload buttons and sessions shared by new windows. * Conversations List - shows your conversations and lets you jump to them. * Session Display - see what objects are in your session. * Autocomplete Mixin - see it in action. * The Select component - new and better examples. You'll find JumpStart at: http://files.doublenegative.com.au/jumpstart The implementation of conversations is my own invention and has not been used in anger. I'm sure it could be improved, eg. with annotations. I pray that it doesn't have any holes in it, and I look forward to any contributions that will help it along. As always, comments and suggestions are encouraged. Be helpful or brutal - I don't care which - because it all helps to make this stuff more useful. Cheers, Geoff Callender - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] JumpStart 3.6: Wizards, Conversations, and more
You're being deliberately obtuse and Trollish, Rob. You have been on this list long enough to know that the IoC infrastructure is a separate sub-project. I use it in a framework of my own, completely independently of the web-framework. The AOP features are are used by the web framework, but are part of the infrastructure. And even if it was in the web framework, it's not bloat given the nature and size of the implementation. Go away. All you do is complain without providing critique. You have one or two good meta critiques, and you have made them, most on this list have agreed, and you never shut up about it. You have an agenda, which should be clear to all by a light reading of the history. As to T5's releasability, I already have three clients using Tapestry in apps nearing production. It's stable enough for release, it merely doesn't have all the features some people want for it to be done enough. It's been releasable quality for two versions now, as my customers see it. You might argue with it, but who the heck are you? I'll go with my own and my clients' architects analysis of T5 vs. other (yes even more mature) frameworks. Do they have problems? Yes. But they have no more problems than when they started using Struts back in the day. Mostly they're not problems of T5, but of understanding how to properly use the new framework given their old habits and assumptions. And they all agree that the learning curve on T5 is way shorter. Cheers, Christian. On 2-May-08, at 05:14 , Rob Smeets wrote: Howard, You're bundling an AOP into T5 core- a mere webframework? This is insane. Howard, Webframework is simple and it seems you keep on over- engineering something this simple. Well, when are you going to bundle a CORBA implementation? This guy is always coming up with an excuse not to release T5. By the time T5 goes final, maybe in 3 years, it'll be the biggest hairy beast we've ever seen. This is all insanity to the power 64. Rob On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait to see what you put together using the new method advice support in 5.0.12; it makes doing interesting things with methods and annotations much, much easier. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Geoff Callender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, JumpStart 3.6 is now available. It's for Tapestry 5.0.11. New in this release: * Wizards - 3 styles explored: with form fragments, with components, and with separate pages. * Conversations - implemented in the wizards to handle the Back and Reload buttons and sessions shared by new windows. * Conversations List - shows your conversations and lets you jump to them. * Session Display - see what objects are in your session. * Autocomplete Mixin - see it in action. * The Select component - new and better examples. You'll find JumpStart at: http://files.doublenegative.com.au/jumpstart The implementation of conversations is my own invention and has not been used in anger. I'm sure it could be improved, eg. with annotations. I pray that it doesn't have any holes in it, and I look forward to any contributions that will help it along. As always, comments and suggestions are encouraged. Be helpful or brutal - I don't care which - because it all helps to make this stuff more useful. Cheers, Geoff Callender - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] JumpStart 3.6: Wizards, Conversations, and more
A typical trollish Smeets, avoiding technical discussion. I will ask you again, since you seem to know SO MUCH about AOP: You're bundling an AOP into T5 core- a mere webframework? This is insane. Howard, Webframework is simple and it seems you keep on over-engineering something this simple. So I ask YOU AGAIN Rob: I'm on 5.0.11 right now, and I need to advice my page methods. Could you help me with this? Can you tell me exactly how to do it with Spring AOP? Please, be technical enough so that I can implement this using your solution. Please, give me a specific technical answer. -adam On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Christian Edward Gruber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're being deliberately obtuse and Trollish, Rob. You have been on this list long enough to know that the IoC infrastructure is a separate sub-project. I use it in a framework of my own, completely independently of the web-framework. The AOP features are are used by the web framework, but are part of the infrastructure. And even if it was in the web framework, it's not bloat given the nature and size of the implementation. Go away. All you do is complain without providing critique. You have one or two good meta critiques, and you have made them, most on this list have agreed, and you never shut up about it. You have an agenda, which should be clear to all by a light reading of the history. As to T5's releasability, I already have three clients using Tapestry in apps nearing production. It's stable enough for release, it merely doesn't have all the features some people want for it to be done enough. It's been releasable quality for two versions now, as my customers see it. You might argue with it, but who the heck are you? I'll go with my own and my clients' architects analysis of T5 vs. other (yes even more mature) frameworks. Do they have problems? Yes. But they have no more problems than when they started using Struts back in the day. Mostly they're not problems of T5, but of understanding how to properly use the new framework given their old habits and assumptions. And they all agree that the learning curve on T5 is way shorter. Cheers, Christian. On 2-May-08, at 05:14 , Rob Smeets wrote: Howard, You're bundling an AOP into T5 core- a mere webframework? This is insane. Howard, Webframework is simple and it seems you keep on over-engineering something this simple. Well, when are you going to bundle a CORBA implementation? This guy is always coming up with an excuse not to release T5. By the time T5 goes final, maybe in 3 years, it'll be the biggest hairy beast we've ever seen. This is all insanity to the power 64. Rob On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait to see what you put together using the new method advice support in 5.0.12; it makes doing interesting things with methods and annotations much, much easier. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Geoff Callender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, JumpStart 3.6 is now available. It's for Tapestry 5.0.11. New in this release: * Wizards - 3 styles explored: with form fragments, with components, and with separate pages. * Conversations - implemented in the wizards to handle the Back and Reload buttons and sessions shared by new windows. * Conversations List - shows your conversations and lets you jump to them. * Session Display - see what objects are in your session. * Autocomplete Mixin - see it in action. * The Select component - new and better examples. You'll find JumpStart at: http://files.doublenegative.com.au/jumpstart The implementation of conversations is my own invention and has not been used in anger. I'm sure it could be improved, eg. with annotations. I pray that it doesn't have any holes in it, and I look forward to any contributions that will help it along. As always, comments and suggestions are encouraged. Be helpful or brutal - I don't care which - because it all helps to make this stuff more useful. Cheers, Geoff Callender - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] JumpStart 3.6: Wizards, Conversations, and more
Adam, Would you pay me after I give you the technical answers you desire? If yes, then drop me a line off list and we could discuss rates, etc. Upon agreement you'd receive high quality technical answers to your queries. Just keep note that my services are not for free. Regards, Rob On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Adam Zimowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A typical trollish Smeets, avoiding technical discussion. I will ask you again, since you seem to know SO MUCH about AOP: You're bundling an AOP into T5 core- a mere webframework? This is insane. Howard, Webframework is simple and it seems you keep on over-engineering something this simple. So I ask YOU AGAIN Rob: I'm on 5.0.11 right now, and I need to advice my page methods. Could you help me with this? Can you tell me exactly how to do it with Spring AOP? Please, be technical enough so that I can implement this using your solution. Please, give me a specific technical answer. -adam On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Christian Edward Gruber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're being deliberately obtuse and Trollish, Rob. You have been on this list long enough to know that the IoC infrastructure is a separate sub-project. I use it in a framework of my own, completely independently of the web-framework. The AOP features are are used by the web framework, but are part of the infrastructure. And even if it was in the web framework, it's not bloat given the nature and size of the implementation. Go away. All you do is complain without providing critique. You have one or two good meta critiques, and you have made them, most on this list have agreed, and you never shut up about it. You have an agenda, which should be clear to all by a light reading of the history. As to T5's releasability, I already have three clients using Tapestry in apps nearing production. It's stable enough for release, it merely doesn't have all the features some people want for it to be done enough. It's been releasable quality for two versions now, as my customers see it. You might argue with it, but who the heck are you? I'll go with my own and my clients' architects analysis of T5 vs. other (yes even more mature) frameworks. Do they have problems? Yes. But they have no more problems than when they started using Struts back in the day. Mostly they're not problems of T5, but of understanding how to properly use the new framework given their old habits and assumptions. And they all agree that the learning curve on T5 is way shorter. Cheers, Christian. On 2-May-08, at 05:14 , Rob Smeets wrote: Howard, You're bundling an AOP into T5 core- a mere webframework? This is insane. Howard, Webframework is simple and it seems you keep on over-engineering something this simple. Well, when are you going to bundle a CORBA implementation? This guy is always coming up with an excuse not to release T5. By the time T5 goes final, maybe in 3 years, it'll be the biggest hairy beast we've ever seen. This is all insanity to the power 64. Rob On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait to see what you put together using the new method advice support in 5.0.12; it makes doing interesting things with methods and annotations much, much easier. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Geoff Callender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, JumpStart 3.6 is now available. It's for Tapestry 5.0.11. New in this release: * Wizards - 3 styles explored: with form fragments, with components, and with separate pages. * Conversations - implemented in the wizards to handle the Back and Reload buttons and sessions shared by new windows. * Conversations List - shows your conversations and lets you jump to them. * Session Display - see what objects are in your session. * Autocomplete Mixin - see it in action. * The Select component - new and better examples. You'll find JumpStart at: http://files.doublenegative.com.au/jumpstart The implementation of conversations is my own invention and has not been used in anger. I'm sure it could be improved, eg. with annotations. I pray that it doesn't have any holes in it, and I look forward to any contributions that will help it along. As always, comments and suggestions are encouraged. Be helpful or brutal - I don't care which - because it all helps to make this stuff more useful. Cheers, Geoff Callender - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL
Re: [ANN] JumpStart 3.6: Wizards, Conversations, and more
You pathetic troll. My challenge to you was just to show that you will always avoid technical discussion because you're simply uneducated (if you are educated, show us some proof - maybe we'll find out your true identity), technically-challenged, loud obnoxious spammer with one-and-only agenda, to waste people's time. If I want the answer, I'll get it right here, from people that actually know their stuff :) heh,heh On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam, Would you pay me after I give you the technical answers you desire? If yes, then drop me a line off list and we could discuss rates, etc. Upon agreement you'd receive high quality technical answers to your queries. Just keep note that my services are not for free. Regards, Rob On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Adam Zimowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A typical trollish Smeets, avoiding technical discussion. I will ask you again, since you seem to know SO MUCH about AOP: You're bundling an AOP into T5 core- a mere webframework? This is insane. Howard, Webframework is simple and it seems you keep on over-engineering something this simple. So I ask YOU AGAIN Rob: I'm on 5.0.11 right now, and I need to advice my page methods. Could you help me with this? Can you tell me exactly how to do it with Spring AOP? Please, be technical enough so that I can implement this using your solution. Please, give me a specific technical answer. -adam On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Christian Edward Gruber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're being deliberately obtuse and Trollish, Rob. You have been on this list long enough to know that the IoC infrastructure is a separate sub-project. I use it in a framework of my own, completely independently of the web-framework. The AOP features are are used by the web framework, but are part of the infrastructure. And even if it was in the web framework, it's not bloat given the nature and size of the implementation. Go away. All you do is complain without providing critique. You have one or two good meta critiques, and you have made them, most on this list have agreed, and you never shut up about it. You have an agenda, which should be clear to all by a light reading of the history. As to T5's releasability, I already have three clients using Tapestry in apps nearing production. It's stable enough for release, it merely doesn't have all the features some people want for it to be done enough. It's been releasable quality for two versions now, as my customers see it. You might argue with it, but who the heck are you? I'll go with my own and my clients' architects analysis of T5 vs. other (yes even more mature) frameworks. Do they have problems? Yes. But they have no more problems than when they started using Struts back in the day. Mostly they're not problems of T5, but of understanding how to properly use the new framework given their old habits and assumptions. And they all agree that the learning curve on T5 is way shorter. Cheers, Christian. On 2-May-08, at 05:14 , Rob Smeets wrote: Howard, You're bundling an AOP into T5 core- a mere webframework? This is insane. Howard, Webframework is simple and it seems you keep on over-engineering something this simple. Well, when are you going to bundle a CORBA implementation? This guy is always coming up with an excuse not to release T5. By the time T5 goes final, maybe in 3 years, it'll be the biggest hairy beast we've ever seen. This is all insanity to the power 64. Rob On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait to see what you put together using the new method advice support in 5.0.12; it makes doing interesting things with methods and annotations much, much easier. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Geoff Callender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, JumpStart 3.6 is now available. It's for Tapestry 5.0.11. New in this release: * Wizards - 3 styles explored: with form fragments, with components, and with separate pages. * Conversations - implemented in the wizards to handle the Back and Reload buttons and sessions shared by new windows. * Conversations List - shows your conversations and lets you jump to them. * Session Display - see what objects are in your session. * Autocomplete Mixin - see it in action. * The Select component - new and better examples. You'll find JumpStart at:
Re: [ANN] JumpStart 3.6: Wizards, Conversations, and more
At least in the environment where I work, non of my team members have ever violated CS101 like Howard constantly does. The guy doesn't even think and design before he codes. Much of his working routine are based on after thoughts. Thereby constantly breaking backwards compatibility. Probably most of his ideas pop up after he'd sipped some buckets of beer into his belly. They are just absurd ideas. I hope he releases T5 sooner and makes a release announcement at theserverside.com. I would then go there and put the final nail on Tapestry's coffin. Let Howard dare to ask me technical questions. I would answer it for free. I exempt him from payment because he badly needs help. So Howard, the ball is in your court. Adam, maybe you could advise him to come seek it. Regards, Rob On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Adam Zimowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You pathetic troll. My challenge to you was just to show that you will always avoid technical discussion because you're simply uneducated (if you are educated, show us some proof - maybe we'll find out your true identity), technically-challenged, loud obnoxious spammer with one-and-only agenda, to waste people's time. If I want the answer, I'll get it right here, from people that actually know their stuff :) heh,heh On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam, Would you pay me after I give you the technical answers you desire? If yes, then drop me a line off list and we could discuss rates, etc. Upon agreement you'd receive high quality technical answers to your queries. Just keep note that my services are not for free. Regards, Rob On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Adam Zimowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A typical trollish Smeets, avoiding technical discussion. I will ask you again, since you seem to know SO MUCH about AOP: You're bundling an AOP into T5 core- a mere webframework? This is insane. Howard, Webframework is simple and it seems you keep on over-engineering something this simple. So I ask YOU AGAIN Rob: I'm on 5.0.11 right now, and I need to advice my page methods. Could you help me with this? Can you tell me exactly how to do it with Spring AOP? Please, be technical enough so that I can implement this using your solution. Please, give me a specific technical answer. -adam On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Christian Edward Gruber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're being deliberately obtuse and Trollish, Rob. You have been on this list long enough to know that the IoC infrastructure is a separate sub-project. I use it in a framework of my own, completely independently of the web-framework. The AOP features are are used by the web framework, but are part of the infrastructure. And even if it was in the web framework, it's not bloat given the nature and size of the implementation. Go away. All you do is complain without providing critique. You have one or two good meta critiques, and you have made them, most on this list have agreed, and you never shut up about it. You have an agenda, which should be clear to all by a light reading of the history. As to T5's releasability, I already have three clients using Tapestry in apps nearing production. It's stable enough for release, it merely doesn't have all the features some people want for it to be done enough. It's been releasable quality for two versions now, as my customers see it. You might argue with it, but who the heck are you? I'll go with my own and my clients' architects analysis of T5 vs. other (yes even more mature) frameworks. Do they have problems? Yes. But they have no more problems than when they started using Struts back in the day. Mostly they're not problems of T5, but of understanding how to properly use the new framework given their old habits and assumptions. And they all agree that the learning curve on T5 is way shorter. Cheers, Christian. On 2-May-08, at 05:14 , Rob Smeets wrote: Howard, You're bundling an AOP into T5 core- a mere webframework? This is insane. Howard, Webframework is simple and it seems you keep on over-engineering something this simple. Well, when are you going to bundle a CORBA implementation? This guy is always coming up with an excuse not to release T5. By the time T5 goes final, maybe in 3 years, it'll be the biggest hairy beast we've ever seen. This is all insanity to the power 64. Rob On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait to see what you put together using the new method advice support in 5.0.12;
RE: [ANN] JumpStart 3.6: Wizards, Conversations, and more
Rob, Glad to see you're still alive and well. I'm still waiting for an answer to my question: Given that you have no intention of using Tapestry for serious work, you do not give assistance to users, nor do you request assistance from other users, why do you post to this list? I do wonder if you've ever taken CS101. I've taught a number of university CS courses - second-year and above - so I have some experience here. Let's cover some of the basics: - Each assignment is different, so there is no backward compatibility to break. - In rare cases where there are dependencies between assignments, you're the only one it affects, because other students can't use your code. - Everybody is doing the same thing that no-one will ever actually use, because the purpose is to evaluate some aspect of the student's learning. What you call after-thoughts others might call progress. If you remove after-thoughts from any project, you never get past version 1.0 and the project stagnates. If Tapestry is the result of giving beer to Howard, I have another reason to like beer! Jonathan -Original Message- From: Rob Smeets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:59 AM To: Tapestry users Subject: Re: [ANN] JumpStart 3.6: Wizards, Conversations, and more At least in the environment where I work, non of my team members have ever violated CS101 like Howard constantly does. The guy doesn't even think and design before he codes. Much of his working routine are based on after thoughts. Thereby constantly breaking backwards compatibility. Probably most of his ideas pop up after he'd sipped some buckets of beer into his belly. They are just absurd ideas. I hope he releases T5 sooner and makes a release announcement at theserverside.com. I would then go there and put the final nail on Tapestry's coffin. Let Howard dare to ask me technical questions. I would answer it for free. I exempt him from payment because he badly needs help. So Howard, the ball is in your court. Adam, maybe you could advise him to come seek it. Regards, Rob On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Adam Zimowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You pathetic troll. My challenge to you was just to show that you will always avoid technical discussion because you're simply uneducated (if you are educated, show us some proof - maybe we'll find out your true identity), technically-challenged, loud obnoxious spammer with one-and-only agenda, to waste people's time. If I want the answer, I'll get it right here, from people that actually know their stuff :) heh,heh On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam, Would you pay me after I give you the technical answers you desire? If yes, then drop me a line off list and we could discuss rates, etc. Upon agreement you'd receive high quality technical answers to your queries. Just keep note that my services are not for free. Regards, Rob On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Adam Zimowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A typical trollish Smeets, avoiding technical discussion. I will ask you again, since you seem to know SO MUCH about AOP: You're bundling an AOP into T5 core- a mere webframework? This is insane. Howard, Webframework is simple and it seems you keep on over-engineering something this simple. So I ask YOU AGAIN Rob: I'm on 5.0.11 right now, and I need to advice my page methods. Could you help me with this? Can you tell me exactly how to do it with Spring AOP? Please, be technical enough so that I can implement this using your solution. Please, give me a specific technical answer. -adam On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Christian Edward Gruber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're being deliberately obtuse and Trollish, Rob. You have been on this list long enough to know that the IoC infrastructure is a separate sub-project. I use it in a framework of my own, completely independently of the web-framework. The AOP features are are used by the web framework, but are part of the infrastructure. And even if it was in the web framework, it's not bloat given the nature and size of the implementation. Go away. All you do is complain without providing critique. You have one or two good meta critiques, and you have made them, most on this list have agreed, and you never shut up about it. You have an agenda, which should be clear to all by a light reading of the history. As to T5's releasability, I already have three clients using Tapestry in apps nearing production. It's stable enough for release, it merely doesn't have all the features some people want for it to be done enough. It's been releasable quality for two
Re: [ANN] JumpStart 3.6: Wizards, Conversations, and more
Not a lot beyond JavaDoc; my blog has a little bit of detail; the rest is documented via unit tests and the CommitAfterWorker (in tapestry-hibernate). Oh ... and at the risk of Feeding the Troll; features are added based on YAGNI. Previously, there was not a compelling reason for AOP; however, as the other Formos developers have been adding features, they've strayed into more heavy use of Javassist. Javassist is too powerful and finicky a tool (even wrapped via ClassTransformation or ClassFab) for a casual developer. The Formos guys got things working, but that's because I was available to give them some direct assistance. On the other hand, the method advice approach is super simple. In retrospect, several of the existing ComponentClassTransformWorkers could be recoded using method advice. I may, in 5.1, introduce field advice. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Geoff Callender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds interesting. Any doco in the nightlies? On 02/05/2008, at 5:17 AM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote: I can't wait to see what you put together using the new method advice support in 5.0.12; it makes doing interesting things with methods and annotations much, much easier. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Geoff Callender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, JumpStart 3.6 is now available. It's for Tapestry 5.0.11. New in this release: * Wizards - 3 styles explored: with form fragments, with components, and with separate pages. * Conversations - implemented in the wizards to handle the Back and Reload buttons and sessions shared by new windows. * Conversations List - shows your conversations and lets you jump to them. * Session Display - see what objects are in your session. * Autocomplete Mixin - see it in action. * The Select component - new and better examples. You'll find JumpStart at: http://files.doublenegative.com.au/jumpstart The implementation of conversations is my own invention and has not been used in anger. I'm sure it could be improved, eg. with annotations. I pray that it doesn't have any holes in it, and I look forward to any contributions that will help it along. As always, comments and suggestions are encouraged. Be helpful or brutal - I don't care which - because it all helps to make this stuff more useful. Cheers, Geoff Callender - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] JumpStart 3.6: Wizards, Conversations, and more
It's rather anemic by AspectJ standards, but has a number of advantages in terms of working consistently within the T5 IoC framework. Currently, it's just method advice; for services, there is a AspectDecorator service (which may be used from a decorate method). For components, there's a new advise() method on ClassTransformation. The other things you could already do using ClassTransformation (and ComponentClassTransformWorker) also fall into the AOP category. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Adam Zimowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does that mean we'll have T5AOP in 5.0.12 ? Is this going to be a new module or built into core? On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait to see what you put together using the new method advice support in 5.0.12; it makes doing interesting things with methods and annotations much, much easier. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Geoff Callender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, JumpStart 3.6 is now available. It's for Tapestry 5.0.11. New in this release: * Wizards - 3 styles explored: with form fragments, with components, and with separate pages. * Conversations - implemented in the wizards to handle the Back and Reload buttons and sessions shared by new windows. * Conversations List - shows your conversations and lets you jump to them. * Session Display - see what objects are in your session. * Autocomplete Mixin - see it in action. * The Select component - new and better examples. You'll find JumpStart at: http://files.doublenegative.com.au/jumpstart The implementation of conversations is my own invention and has not been used in anger. I'm sure it could be improved, eg. with annotations. I pray that it doesn't have any holes in it, and I look forward to any contributions that will help it along. As always, comments and suggestions are encouraged. Be helpful or brutal - I don't care which - because it all helps to make this stuff more useful. Cheers, Geoff Callender - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] JumpStart 3.6: Wizards, Conversations, and more
Hi all, JumpStart 3.6 is now available. It's for Tapestry 5.0.11. New in this release: * Wizards - 3 styles explored: with form fragments, with components, and with separate pages. * Conversations - implemented in the wizards to handle the Back and Reload buttons and sessions shared by new windows. * Conversations List - shows your conversations and lets you jump to them. * Session Display - see what objects are in your session. * Autocomplete Mixin - see it in action. * The Select component - new and better examples. You'll find JumpStart at: http://files.doublenegative.com.au/jumpstart The implementation of conversations is my own invention and has not been used in anger. I'm sure it could be improved, eg. with annotations. I pray that it doesn't have any holes in it, and I look forward to any contributions that will help it along. As always, comments and suggestions are encouraged. Be helpful or brutal - I don't care which - because it all helps to make this stuff more useful. Cheers, Geoff Callender - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] JumpStart 3.6: Wizards, Conversations, and more
I can't wait to see what you put together using the new method advice support in 5.0.12; it makes doing interesting things with methods and annotations much, much easier. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Geoff Callender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, JumpStart 3.6 is now available. It's for Tapestry 5.0.11. New in this release: * Wizards - 3 styles explored: with form fragments, with components, and with separate pages. * Conversations - implemented in the wizards to handle the Back and Reload buttons and sessions shared by new windows. * Conversations List - shows your conversations and lets you jump to them. * Session Display - see what objects are in your session. * Autocomplete Mixin - see it in action. * The Select component - new and better examples. You'll find JumpStart at: http://files.doublenegative.com.au/jumpstart The implementation of conversations is my own invention and has not been used in anger. I'm sure it could be improved, eg. with annotations. I pray that it doesn't have any holes in it, and I look forward to any contributions that will help it along. As always, comments and suggestions are encouraged. Be helpful or brutal - I don't care which - because it all helps to make this stuff more useful. Cheers, Geoff Callender - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] JumpStart 3.6: Wizards, Conversations, and more
Does that mean we'll have T5AOP in 5.0.12 ? Is this going to be a new module or built into core? On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Howard Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait to see what you put together using the new method advice support in 5.0.12; it makes doing interesting things with methods and annotations much, much easier. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Geoff Callender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, JumpStart 3.6 is now available. It's for Tapestry 5.0.11. New in this release: * Wizards - 3 styles explored: with form fragments, with components, and with separate pages. * Conversations - implemented in the wizards to handle the Back and Reload buttons and sessions shared by new windows. * Conversations List - shows your conversations and lets you jump to them. * Session Display - see what objects are in your session. * Autocomplete Mixin - see it in action. * The Select component - new and better examples. You'll find JumpStart at: http://files.doublenegative.com.au/jumpstart The implementation of conversations is my own invention and has not been used in anger. I'm sure it could be improved, eg. with annotations. I pray that it doesn't have any holes in it, and I look forward to any contributions that will help it along. As always, comments and suggestions are encouraged. Be helpful or brutal - I don't care which - because it all helps to make this stuff more useful. Cheers, Geoff Callender - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] JumpStart 3.6: Wizards, Conversations, and more
Sounds interesting. Any doco in the nightlies? On 02/05/2008, at 5:17 AM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote: I can't wait to see what you put together using the new method advice support in 5.0.12; it makes doing interesting things with methods and annotations much, much easier. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Geoff Callender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, JumpStart 3.6 is now available. It's for Tapestry 5.0.11. New in this release: * Wizards - 3 styles explored: with form fragments, with components, and with separate pages. * Conversations - implemented in the wizards to handle the Back and Reload buttons and sessions shared by new windows. * Conversations List - shows your conversations and lets you jump to them. * Session Display - see what objects are in your session. * Autocomplete Mixin - see it in action. * The Select component - new and better examples. You'll find JumpStart at: http://files.doublenegative.com.au/jumpstart The implementation of conversations is my own invention and has not been used in anger. I'm sure it could be improved, eg. with annotations. I pray that it doesn't have any holes in it, and I look forward to any contributions that will help it along. As always, comments and suggestions are encouraged. Be helpful or brutal - I don't care which - because it all helps to make this stuff more useful. Cheers, Geoff Callender - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
