Re: T5 beta. why so long..
I suspect that Gmail will never be out of beta status:) then again, many users use gmail without knowing GMail is in beta, do you think that will happen to 5 as well? I don't think so, the two are really different. Daniel Jue wrote: > > It will probably be out of beta status before Gmail is. :-) > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/T5-beta.-why-so-long..-tp18792974p18808551.html Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: T5 beta. why so long..
exactly, the out of beta version is nice for marketing and third party tools/articles to follow. Toby Hobson-3 wrote: > > eve this is why T5 is still beta - although I think T5 beta is more > stable than many other production frameworks! > > Toby > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/T5-beta.-why-so-long..-tp18792974p18805832.html Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: T5 beta. why so long..
There are still a few issues relating to AJAX which need to be sorted out. I believe this is why T5 is still beta - although I think T5 beta is more stable than many other production frameworks! Toby 2008/8/4 Partogi, Joshua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > As for me, I don't really care about the beta status/label because T5 is > fully functional now and ready for production. > > > Best regards, > > -Original Message- > From: Angelo Chen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:51 PM > To: users@tapestry.apache.org > Subject: Re: T5 beta. why so long.. > > > Hi, > > Features, quality of the code and others all are super except the > preview/beta tag, there are people who are really particular about this, > when you talk to them, they can simply do a google in the net and beta tag > can be a big minus in the decision of which framework to use, or even who > will be awarded with the project, time to release! > > Angelo > > > cometta wrote: > > > > when will it be? will it be in this year? is in beta state means , some > of > > the > > features/methods will be changes ..? > > > > IMPORTANT NOTICE: > The information in this email (and any attachments) is confidential. If you > are not the intended recipient, you must not use or disseminate the > information. If you have received this email in error, please immediately > notify me by "Reply" command and permanently delete the original and any > copies or printouts thereof. Although this email and any attachments are > believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any > computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the > responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no > responsibility is accepted by American International Group, Inc. or its > subsidiaries or affiliates either jointly or severally, for any loss or > damage arising in any way from its use.
RE: T5 beta. why so long..
As for me, I don't really care about the beta status/label because T5 is fully functional now and ready for production. Best regards, -Original Message- From: Angelo Chen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:51 PM To: users@tapestry.apache.org Subject: Re: T5 beta. why so long.. Hi, Features, quality of the code and others all are super except the preview/beta tag, there are people who are really particular about this, when you talk to them, they can simply do a google in the net and beta tag can be a big minus in the decision of which framework to use, or even who will be awarded with the project, time to release! Angelo cometta wrote: > > when will it be? will it be in this year? is in beta state means , some of > the > features/methods will be changes ..? > IMPORTANT NOTICE: The information in this email (and any attachments) is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use or disseminate the information. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify me by "Reply" command and permanently delete the original and any copies or printouts thereof. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by American International Group, Inc. or its subsidiaries or affiliates either jointly or severally, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use.
Re: T5 beta. why so long..
Hi, Features, quality of the code and others all are super except the preview/beta tag, there are people who are really particular about this, when you talk to them, they can simply do a google in the net and beta tag can be a big minus in the decision of which framework to use, or even who will be awarded with the project, time to release! Angelo cometta wrote: > > when will it be? will it be in this year? is in beta state means , some of > the > features/methods will be changes ..? > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/T5-beta.-why-so-long..-tp18792974p18796552.html Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: T5 beta. why so long..
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Re: T5 beta. why so long..
It will probably be out of beta status before Gmail is. :-) On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:24 PM, learner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I noticed T5 has been on beta version for quite long time. may i know when > will > a candidate release version will be available..? any plan for T6 any soon? > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: T5: beta?
Rob, We're making headway. So, you acknowledge that Tapestry is a good framework. Your major complaint is the lack of backward compatibility between major releases. I don't think anyone in the community will disagree that this is an annoyance, so it comes down to whether or not it is acceptable for each user. Six years ago I built an application for a client using plain servlets, JSP's, entity and stateful session EJB's, RMI, and other fun stuff. It served my client well in spite of some "sharp edges". Last year, they wanted to re-invest and I scrapped the whole UI and redid it with Tapestry, and replaced the entity EJB's with Hibernate. It was the most cost-effective way of moving forward even though I threw out 75% of the code. This year, I moved from T4->T5 as they continue to re-invest, and it makes more money for them. Should I have stayed with the old technology? Not a chance. But it's only been six years! (at the time, it was only 4.5 years) You state that there are better frameworks. I'm sure that there are for some kinds of problems, and that is where users must evaluate their options. As a blanket statement it cannot be accurate. So now comes the big question: Given that you point out the obvious with regard to backward compatibility, you have no intention of using Tapestry for serious work, you do not give assistance to users, nor do you request assistance from other users, why do you post to this list? I evaluated Struts at one point, and I have a book on shelf about Struts. I can't imagine hanging out on their user list saying, "Get out of the stone age, use Tapestry instead!" That's how I feel about Struts, but I trust that each Struts user is there because THE LIST suits their needs. Seriously Rob, what is your motivation? Jonathan > -Original Message- > From: Rob Smeets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:41 AM > To: Tapestry users > Subject: Re: T5: beta? > > Well, I'm not disputing the fact that Tapestry is a good framework but all > what I'm saying is the fact that at every major release there must be a > whole rewrite from scratch with little or no regard to backward > compatibility seems to me not a tool for prime time, or serious stuffs > besides a Hello world applications. I consider Tapestry a tool for > experimentation at the labs or schools where students are knowledge hungry > to learn new things. If your business is based on a model that looks into > the future then I'm afraid you'll be sorry to go with Tapestry. Because > every year when you want to benefit from the evolution in Webframework > technology, you'll have to start all over again- in otherwords throw away > your earlier investment. Tapestry is good but there are far more better > and > excellent frameworks out there with genius people behind it that at each > major release they face the challenge of backward compatibility head on > and > make everyone happy. They don't choose the easy route of starting all over > again. That one even first year computer science students can do. > > Your's friendly, > > Rob > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Jonathan Barker < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Rob, > > > > You may have a point or two. > > > > That what you describe as one of the best Internet applications has beta > > status suggests that some beta code is as good as / better that other > > production code. I would have to agree. I've had production apps > running > > on Tapestry alpha code for some time. > > > > The length of time that Gmail has been in beta is, however, a cop-out. > To > > me, it's Google's way of saying, "Don't blame us." Come on Google, > stand > > behind your application! I suspect that will change as they market more > > heavily to small business. > > > > It would have been more useful had you picked another application > > framework > > to compare to Tapestry for stability and time in beta. Perhaps next > time. > > > > That you personally don't do anything with Tapestry beyond a Hello World > > application... oh, never mind, that's too easy a target. > > > > FYI, .02 cent = $0.0002 > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Rob Smeets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:06 AM > > > To: Tapestry users > > > Subject: Re: T5: beta? > > > > > > Guys, stop the exagerations. Gmail, one of the best Internet > application > > > ever written still has a beta status. Unlike Tapestry,
Re: T5: beta?
Would you give up already, you are not a tapestry user, tapestry 5 is very well documented, has a great mailing list, has exhaustive unit tests... If I don't like some framework, I don't use it and that's it. Please have some respect to tapestry users and go away already. Davor Hrg On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Rob Smeets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I'm not disputing the fact that Tapestry is a good framework but all > what I'm saying is the fact that at every major release there must be a > whole rewrite from scratch with little or no regard to backward > compatibility seems to me not a tool for prime time, or serious stuffs > besides a Hello world applications. I consider Tapestry a tool for > experimentation at the labs or schools where students are knowledge hungry > to learn new things. If your business is based on a model that looks into > the future then I'm afraid you'll be sorry to go with Tapestry. Because > every year when you want to benefit from the evolution in Webframework > technology, you'll have to start all over again- in otherwords throw away > your earlier investment. Tapestry is good but there are far more better > and > excellent frameworks out there with genius people behind it that at each > major release they face the challenge of backward compatibility head on > and > make everyone happy. They don't choose the easy route of starting all over > again. That one even first year computer science students can do. > > Your's friendly, > > Rob > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Jonathan Barker < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Rob, > > > > You may have a point or two. > > > > That what you describe as one of the best Internet applications has beta > > status suggests that some beta code is as good as / better that other > > production code. I would have to agree. I've had production apps > running > > on Tapestry alpha code for some time. > > > > The length of time that Gmail has been in beta is, however, a cop-out. > To > > me, it's Google's way of saying, "Don't blame us." Come on Google, > stand > > behind your application! I suspect that will change as they market more > > heavily to small business. > > > > It would have been more useful had you picked another application > > framework > > to compare to Tapestry for stability and time in beta. Perhaps next > time. > > > > That you personally don't do anything with Tapestry beyond a Hello World > > application... oh, never mind, that's too easy a target. > > > > FYI, .02 cent = $0.0002 > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Rob Smeets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:06 AM > > > To: Tapestry users > > > Subject: Re: T5: beta? > > > > > > Guys, stop the exagerations. Gmail, one of the best Internet > application > > > ever written still has a beta status. Unlike Tapestry, Gmail has had > > the > > > beta status for years and would therefore trust it more than Tapestry > > > which > > > I personally won't do anything serious with it beyond a little bit > more > > > advanced Hello world application. > > > > > > My .02 cent. > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Blower, Andy > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > The fact that you're using T5 in the real world at this beta stage > is > > > very > > > > good news for the upcoming release IMO, even if it delays the RC a > > bit. > > > (not > > > > too much though I hope ;-) > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: 09 April 2008 19:32 > > > > > To: Tapestry users > > > > > Subject: Re: T5: beta? > > > > > > > > > > We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to > beta > > > > > affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll > probably > > > > > start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk > to > > > > > 5.1 pretty soon. > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding > a > > > > > fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take > > care > > > > > of those in parallel with the client project since the end result > is > > a > > > > > far more useable and finished 5.0 final. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >
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Well, I'm not disputing the fact that Tapestry is a good framework but all what I'm saying is the fact that at every major release there must be a whole rewrite from scratch with little or no regard to backward compatibility seems to me not a tool for prime time, or serious stuffs besides a Hello world applications. I consider Tapestry a tool for experimentation at the labs or schools where students are knowledge hungry to learn new things. If your business is based on a model that looks into the future then I'm afraid you'll be sorry to go with Tapestry. Because every year when you want to benefit from the evolution in Webframework technology, you'll have to start all over again- in otherwords throw away your earlier investment. Tapestry is good but there are far more better and excellent frameworks out there with genius people behind it that at each major release they face the challenge of backward compatibility head on and make everyone happy. They don't choose the easy route of starting all over again. That one even first year computer science students can do. Your's friendly, Rob On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Jonathan Barker < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rob, > > You may have a point or two. > > That what you describe as one of the best Internet applications has beta > status suggests that some beta code is as good as / better that other > production code. I would have to agree. I've had production apps running > on Tapestry alpha code for some time. > > The length of time that Gmail has been in beta is, however, a cop-out. To > me, it's Google's way of saying, "Don't blame us." Come on Google, stand > behind your application! I suspect that will change as they market more > heavily to small business. > > It would have been more useful had you picked another application > framework > to compare to Tapestry for stability and time in beta. Perhaps next time. > > That you personally don't do anything with Tapestry beyond a Hello World > application... oh, never mind, that's too easy a target. > > FYI, .02 cent = $0.0002 > > Jonathan > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rob Smeets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:06 AM > > To: Tapestry users > > Subject: Re: T5: beta? > > > > Guys, stop the exagerations. Gmail, one of the best Internet application > > ever written still has a beta status. Unlike Tapestry, Gmail has had > the > > beta status for years and would therefore trust it more than Tapestry > > which > > I personally won't do anything serious with it beyond a little bit more > > advanced Hello world application. > > > > My .02 cent. > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Blower, Andy > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > The fact that you're using T5 in the real world at this beta stage is > > very > > > good news for the upcoming release IMO, even if it delays the RC a > bit. > > (not > > > too much though I hope ;-) > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: 09 April 2008 19:32 > > > > To: Tapestry users > > > > Subject: Re: T5: beta? > > > > > > > > We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta > > > > affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably > > > > start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to > > > > 5.1 pretty soon. > > > > > > > > In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a > > > > fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take > care > > > > of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is > a > > > > far more useable and finished 5.0 final. > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
RE: T5: beta?
Rob, You may have a point or two. That what you describe as one of the best Internet applications has beta status suggests that some beta code is as good as / better that other production code. I would have to agree. I've had production apps running on Tapestry alpha code for some time. The length of time that Gmail has been in beta is, however, a cop-out. To me, it's Google's way of saying, "Don't blame us." Come on Google, stand behind your application! I suspect that will change as they market more heavily to small business. It would have been more useful had you picked another application framework to compare to Tapestry for stability and time in beta. Perhaps next time. That you personally don't do anything with Tapestry beyond a Hello World application... oh, never mind, that's too easy a target. FYI, .02 cent = $0.0002 Jonathan > -Original Message- > From: Rob Smeets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:06 AM > To: Tapestry users > Subject: Re: T5: beta? > > Guys, stop the exagerations. Gmail, one of the best Internet application > ever written still has a beta status. Unlike Tapestry, Gmail has had the > beta status for years and would therefore trust it more than Tapestry > which > I personally won't do anything serious with it beyond a little bit more > advanced Hello world application. > > My .02 cent. > > Rob > > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Blower, Andy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > The fact that you're using T5 in the real world at this beta stage is > very > > good news for the upcoming release IMO, even if it delays the RC a bit. > (not > > too much though I hope ;-) > > > > > -----Original Message- > > > From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 09 April 2008 19:32 > > > To: Tapestry users > > > Subject: Re: T5: beta? > > > > > > We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta > > > affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably > > > start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to > > > 5.1 pretty soon. > > > > > > In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a > > > fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care > > > of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a > > > far more useable and finished 5.0 final. > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Please ignore him (I personaly have hard time doing so), he has not yet had any technical comment or question, he only comes here from time to time to bash on tapestry (reasons unknown). Davor Hrg On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Joachim Van der Auwera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well Rob, that is your personal opinion. > > I personally have no problems building applications which require high > reliability on tapestry. It is a very nice framework to build applications > on. > > Whether the "beta" or "release" status are important is mostly a political > discussion (some companies only allow officially released versions to be > used), and partly an indication of interface stability. > > Whenever you build an application, based on whatever libraries or > frameworks, it is up to you to build the confidence required to trust your > application's functioning. This is typically done with unit and integration > test. It is however a big bonus if the libraries and frameworks in use have > their own testing in place. This is very much the case for tapestry. There > is a lot of stuff out there which has no or very limited test infrastructure > in place and is still considered "release quality". > > Joachim > > > Rob Smeets wrote: > > > Guys, stop the exagerations. Gmail, one of the best Internet application > > ever written still has a beta status. Unlike Tapestry, Gmail has had > > the > > beta status for years and would therefore trust it more than Tapestry > > which > > I personally won't do anything serious with it beyond a little bit more > > advanced Hello world application. > > > > My .02 cent. > > > > Rob > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Blower, Andy < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote > > > > > The fact that you're using T5 in the real world at this beta stage is > > > very > > > good news for the upcoming release IMO, even if it delays the RC a > > > bit. (not > > > too much though I hope ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: 09 April 2008 19:32 > > > > To: Tapestry users > > > > Subject: Re: T5: beta? > > > > > > > > We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta > > > > affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably > > > > start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to > > > > 5.1 pretty soon. > > > > > > > > In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a > > > > fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take > > > > care > > > > of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is > > > > a > > > > far more useable and finished 5.0 final. > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > -- > Joachim Van der Auwera > PROGS bvba, progs.be > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
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Well Rob, that is your personal opinion. I personally have no problems building applications which require high reliability on tapestry. It is a very nice framework to build applications on. Whether the "beta" or "release" status are important is mostly a political discussion (some companies only allow officially released versions to be used), and partly an indication of interface stability. Whenever you build an application, based on whatever libraries or frameworks, it is up to you to build the confidence required to trust your application's functioning. This is typically done with unit and integration test. It is however a big bonus if the libraries and frameworks in use have their own testing in place. This is very much the case for tapestry. There is a lot of stuff out there which has no or very limited test infrastructure in place and is still considered "release quality". Joachim Rob Smeets wrote: Guys, stop the exagerations. Gmail, one of the best Internet application ever written still has a beta status. Unlike Tapestry, Gmail has had the beta status for years and would therefore trust it more than Tapestry which I personally won't do anything serious with it beyond a little bit more advanced Hello world application. My .02 cent. Rob On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Blower, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote The fact that you're using T5 in the real world at this beta stage is very good news for the upcoming release IMO, even if it delays the RC a bit. (not too much though I hope ;-) -Original Message- From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 April 2008 19:32 To: Tapestry users Subject: Re: T5: beta? We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to 5.1 pretty soon. In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a far more useable and finished 5.0 final. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Joachim Van der Auwera PROGS bvba, progs.be - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wow, you are right! I'll consider using gmail as the framework for my next application... Rob Smeets wrote: > Guys, stop the exagerations. Gmail, one of the best Internet application > ever written still has a beta status. Unlike Tapestry, Gmail has had the > beta status for years and would therefore trust it more than Tapestry which > I personally won't do anything serious with it beyond a little bit more > advanced Hello world application. > > My .02 cent. > > Rob > > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Blower, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> The fact that you're using T5 in the real world at this beta stage is very >> good news for the upcoming release IMO, even if it delays the RC a bit. (not >> too much though I hope ;-) >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: 09 April 2008 19:32 >>> To: Tapestry users >>> Subject: Re: T5: beta? >>> >>> We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta >>> affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably >>> start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to >>> 5.1 pretty soon. >>> >>> In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a >>> fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care >>> of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a >>> far more useable and finished 5.0 final. >>> >>> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > > -- http://thegodcode.net
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Guys, stop the exagerations. Gmail, one of the best Internet application ever written still has a beta status. Unlike Tapestry, Gmail has had the beta status for years and would therefore trust it more than Tapestry which I personally won't do anything serious with it beyond a little bit more advanced Hello world application. My .02 cent. Rob On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Blower, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The fact that you're using T5 in the real world at this beta stage is very > good news for the upcoming release IMO, even if it delays the RC a bit. (not > too much though I hope ;-) > > > -Original Message- > > From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 09 April 2008 19:32 > > To: Tapestry users > > Subject: Re: T5: beta? > > > > We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta > > affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably > > start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to > > 5.1 pretty soon. > > > > In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a > > fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care > > of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a > > far more useable and finished 5.0 final. > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
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The fact that you're using T5 in the real world at this beta stage is very good news for the upcoming release IMO, even if it delays the RC a bit. (not too much though I hope ;-) > -Original Message- > From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 09 April 2008 19:32 > To: Tapestry users > Subject: Re: T5: beta? > > We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta > affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably > start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to > 5.1 pretty soon. > > In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a > fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care > of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a > far more useable and finished 5.0 final. > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Howard, Good to hear that you are putting this in a real test, just like ruby on rails, it was said to be extracted from a real project and it should have been working since day 1, that's the selling point. and T5 added more cycles to that, after alpha, real project, then beta. Talking about 5.0.12, I'm hesitant to upgrade to that as i read somewhere that Tapestry-Hibernate is no longer does the commit at end of the session, will that affect existing programs? do we have to go over all pages and add a commit? Thanks, Angelo Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > > > In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a > fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care > of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a > far more useable and finished 5.0 final. > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Hugo Palma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/T5%3A-beta--tp16584157p16601499.html Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 4/10/08, Howard Lewis Ship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I fully intend to do a full sweep of any low-hanging fruit (i.e., easy > bugs with code and tests that won't destabilize things). > > I've been travelling and working on a client project, which has slowed > things a bit. > > I had a very nice Tapestry 5 session at the Danvers NFJS. I think I > may need to rename the session from "Introduction to Tapestr 5" to > "Tapestry 5: Shock and Awe". :-) Unbelievable Howard, For this kind of quality you still call it Beta. Even from the early release it has been stable. :-D I can't imagine how good it is when it reach GA. You deserve all the praise. Great job :) I can't thank you enough Cheers, -- Let's show the world what we've got. Blog: http://joshuajava.wordpress.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I fully intend to do a full sweep of any low-hanging fruit (i.e., easy bugs with code and tests that won't destabilize things). I've been travelling and working on a client project, which has slowed things a bit. I had a very nice Tapestry 5 session at the Danvers NFJS. I think I may need to rename the session from "Introduction to Tapestr 5" to "Tapestry 5: Shock and Awe". :-) On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Fernando Padilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Whenever there is talk of cutting a new release I wonder about my small bugs > sitting out there :) > > I filed a bug to add more getters/setters to the Element class (or Node > class). Did you see that? It should be a really easy fix, and allow more > powerful Mixins and MarkupRenderFilters. :) > > > > > Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > > > We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta > > affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably > > start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to > > 5.1 pretty soon. > > > > In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a > > fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care > > of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a > > far more useable and finished 5.0 final. > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Hugo Palma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Or get a bigger monitor :o) > > > > > > > > > Francois Armand wrote: > > > > Hugo Palma wrote: > > > >> You mean other than > > > >> http://tapestry.apache.org/news.html#Tapestry%205.0.11%20is%20beta > and > > > >> the fact that Tapestry 5 in the home page now shows up as "Tapestry > 5 > > > >> (beta)" ? > > > >> > > > > Oups :) Perhaps should I change my glasses :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Whenever there is talk of cutting a new release I wonder about my small bugs sitting out there :) I filed a bug to add more getters/setters to the Element class (or Node class). Did you see that? It should be a really easy fix, and allow more powerful Mixins and MarkupRenderFilters. :) Howard Lewis Ship wrote: We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to 5.1 pretty soon. In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a far more useable and finished 5.0 final. On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Hugo Palma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Or get a bigger monitor :o) Francois Armand wrote: > Hugo Palma wrote: >> You mean other than >> http://tapestry.apache.org/news.html#Tapestry%205.0.11%20is%20beta and >> the fact that Tapestry 5 in the home page now shows up as "Tapestry 5 >> (beta)" ? >> > Oups :) Perhaps should I change my glasses :) > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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We're still not making a big deal; the transition from alpha to beta affects us more than the rest of the world. I think we'll probably start seeing a new branch for 5.0 work and a switch-over of trunk to 5.1 pretty soon. In the meantime, I'm using 5.0.12 for a client project and finding a fair amount of rough edges and minor bugs. I'd just as soon take care of those in parallel with the client project since the end result is a far more useable and finished 5.0 final. On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Hugo Palma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Or get a bigger monitor :o) > > > Francois Armand wrote: > > Hugo Palma wrote: > >> You mean other than > >> http://tapestry.apache.org/news.html#Tapestry%205.0.11%20is%20beta and > >> the fact that Tapestry 5 in the home page now shows up as "Tapestry 5 > >> (beta)" ? > >> > > Oups :) Perhaps should I change my glasses :) > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Or get a bigger monitor :o) Francois Armand wrote: > Hugo Palma wrote: >> You mean other than >> http://tapestry.apache.org/news.html#Tapestry%205.0.11%20is%20beta and >> the fact that Tapestry 5 in the home page now shows up as "Tapestry 5 >> (beta)" ? >> > Oups :) Perhaps should I change my glasses :) > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hugo Palma wrote: You mean other than http://tapestry.apache.org/news.html#Tapestry%205.0.11%20is%20beta and the fact that Tapestry 5 in the home page now shows up as "Tapestry 5 (beta)" ? Oups :) Perhaps should I change my glasses :) -- Francois Armand Etudes & Développements J2EE Groupe Linagora - http://www.linagora.com Tél.: +33 (0)1 58 18 68 28 --- InterLDAP - http://interldap.org FederID - http://www.federid.org/ Open Source identities management and federation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But there is an unofficial announcement at http://tapestryjava.blogspot.com/ . I'm impatiently waiting for an official announcement at theserverside.com, at least if Howard dares. Rob On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Francois Armand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Angelo Chen wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > any news about coming beta? > > > > > 5.0.11 is tagged beta, but I didn't see any "official" annonce of that. > > -- > Francois Armand > Etudes & Développements J2EE > Groupe Linagora - http://www.linagora.com > Tél.: +33 (0)1 58 18 68 28 > --- > InterLDAP - http://interldap.org FederID - http://www.federid.org/ > Open Source identities management and federation > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
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You mean other than http://tapestry.apache.org/news.html#Tapestry%205.0.11%20is%20beta and the fact that Tapestry 5 in the home page now shows up as "Tapestry 5 (beta)" ? Francois Armand wrote: > Angelo Chen wrote: >> Hi, >> >> any news about coming beta? >> > 5.0.11 is tagged beta, but I didn't see any "official" annonce of that. > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Angelo Chen wrote: Hi, any news about coming beta? 5.0.11 is tagged beta, but I didn't see any "official" annonce of that. -- Francois Armand Etudes & Développements J2EE Groupe Linagora - http://www.linagora.com Tél.: +33 (0)1 58 18 68 28 --- InterLDAP - http://interldap.org FederID - http://www.federid.org/ Open Source identities management and federation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]