Re: Tapestry users declined for the first time in 3 years, says this researh site ...
Eelco, It's nice that you restate your distaste for trolls and that we can readily agree on their vile nature. I can't speak for the rest of the list, but I need no reminder of the childishness of the 'my group vs your group' mentality. I'm a software developer, not an evangelist, and therefore look at a piece of technology through the lens of its applicability to a problem and its elegance in dealing with the primary pains of that problem (tool for the task). Now about this derelict troll. I am not asserting that this person is a core developer of wicket, but I am asserting that he was at least active on the wicket dev and user lists throughout 2006-2007, and that it stands to reason that the person mentioned in that changelog is the same. We can't be sure of that because no email is listed, but does it really seem so illogical to think they are the same person, especially considering that the time frame of his list activity roughly coincide with that changelog's date? It's true that we cannot empirically know if all of these trolls, who happen to carry an astonishing similarity in writing style (eg voice, tone), are the same person or not. However we can be sure that Francis Amanfo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is Emmanuel Sowah ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), thanks to a classic error: http://www.nabble.com/Can-you-comment-on-this--to7986838.html#a8018515 The email address I am specifically pointing out as the tie between at least 2 of the personalities, as well as a person formerly active on the wicket lists is [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.nabble.com/forum/Search.jtp?query=famanfo%40gmail.comlocal=yforum=13974matchingForums=a It's worth noting that he seemed to be a happy tapestry user in the past (2005-April-ish 2006): http://www.nabble.com/user/UserPosts.jtp?user=148339local=yforum=302matchingForums=a When this Rob Smeets fool surfaced many of us quickly assumed (yes, assumed) he was the same as Emmanuel, again due to the remarkably similar style in his messages. In the end it doesn't really matter. Trolls are trolls and when they even passively align themselves with something then by nature that something's name, in this case wicket, can be dragged through the mud entirely against its will. It's therefore important that the tapestry community be as careful about isolating him from wicket as the wicket community is about distancing itself from him. We are all software developers using conceptually similar tools - component frameworks - which means we theoretically have a lot to learn from each other's strengths and weaknesses. Damn the lines, the camps, and the trolls. It's open source software, we should all be gaining from this. Respectfully yours, Chris Lewis Eelco Hillenius wrote: Chris Lewis-5 wrote: Except for the part about him not being a friend of wicket, I agree. We've every reason to believe this moron is the same Emanuel whatever, who is known to be Francis Amanfo, and who we know a good bit about. Specifically, he is active in the wicket community and was mentioned in a 'thanks' for having contributed an accepted patch (http://wicket.sourceforge.net/wicket-1.1/changes-report.html - search for Francis Amanfo). I wouldn't dare say that the rantings of a such bird brain reflect the wicket community, but he is in some manner associated with it. The Francis mentioned here contributed a patch. A very long time ago I might add. I don't think it Rob and Francis and other trolls around here are one person, and messages like this: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=48743#249209 enforce that opinion. But maybe I don't know any off them either. To me, there is a huge difference between someone contributing a patch and someone being active over an extended period of time (patches, but also on the mailing list) or even being part of the core team. If there would be anyone really active in the Wicket community behaving like Rob does we'd quite simply tell him to go fcku himself. And in the case of Rob, I actually sent him a private email with pretty much that message a while ago, though I never got a reply. We've stated on several occasions and in public that we don't like trolls either (here for instance: http://chillenious.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/is-there-a-wicket-tapestry-feud/). The whole my group vs your group is so incredibly childish. And the trolls are probably laughing their asses off right now. Ignoring them works better. Eelco (from the Wicket 'community') -- http://thegodcode.net
Re: Tapestry users declined for the first time in 3 years, says this researh site ...
By the way I just read your linked blog post and have three things to say: 1) Thanks. Continuous affirmation of a lack of sides is a Good Thing. 2) I read the post after writing and smiled that I spoke of the same Kumbaya state that should exist between the two frameworks, and also that I used the same 'mud' imagery referring to the wake of a troll. 3) The word plays on HLS' last name never get old. I'm not being sarcastic. I giggle every time I read one. chris Eelco Hillenius wrote: Chris Lewis-5 wrote: Except for the part about him not being a friend of wicket, I agree. We've every reason to believe this moron is the same Emanuel whatever, who is known to be Francis Amanfo, and who we know a good bit about. Specifically, he is active in the wicket community and was mentioned in a 'thanks' for having contributed an accepted patch (http://wicket.sourceforge.net/wicket-1.1/changes-report.html - search for Francis Amanfo). I wouldn't dare say that the rantings of a such bird brain reflect the wicket community, but he is in some manner associated with it. The Francis mentioned here contributed a patch. A very long time ago I might add. I don't think it Rob and Francis and other trolls around here are one person, and messages like this: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=48743#249209 enforce that opinion. But maybe I don't know any off them either. To me, there is a huge difference between someone contributing a patch and someone being active over an extended period of time (patches, but also on the mailing list) or even being part of the core team. If there would be anyone really active in the Wicket community behaving like Rob does we'd quite simply tell him to go fcku himself. And in the case of Rob, I actually sent him a private email with pretty much that message a while ago, though I never got a reply. We've stated on several occasions and in public that we don't like trolls either (here for instance: http://chillenious.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/is-there-a-wicket-tapestry-feud/). The whole my group vs your group is so incredibly childish. And the trolls are probably laughing their asses off right now. Ignoring them works better. Eelco (from the Wicket 'community') -- http://thegodcode.net
Re: Tapestry users declined for the first time in 3 years, says this researh site ...
A fine post, Jonathon, in every regard. I could not agree more. Geoff On 20/05/2008, at 9:41 AM, Jonathan Locke wrote: I was just googling around the Internet for people with Wicket problems and I ran across this highly obnoxious post and felt I should comment. If the research was real, the poster would have linked to it. In fact, nobody has any real basis short of a widespread statistical survey for assessing the number of users of open source frameworks. Since I highly doubt anyone cares enough to do such an expensive survey, we can safely assume the poster is not only an anti-social ass but also a liar. And he is certainly not a friend of the Wicket or open source communities, as posts like this are damaging to everyone involved. In case I'm not making this clear enough Rob Smeets: KNOCK IT OFF ALREADY! Open-source technologies should not be thought of as some kind of popularity contest. There are great technologies that languish in relative obscurity and mediocre ones that everyone seems to use. It is also objectively a healthy thing to have good alternatives as we don't live in a one-size-fits-all world. Tapestry is a solid framework with a long history, lots of users and plenty of development activity. I don't think Wicket or anything else will kill it and there's no reason to think it won't continue to flourish. Certainly it has been innovative for many years and is a cut above most of the rest... and honestly anything that helps to put a nail in the coffin of Struts is good for Java. Best, Jonathan Locke, Founder of Wicket Rob Smeets wrote: Hi guys, I don't mean to cause any depression or controversy but I saw this research results and thought you might want to know. Because this makes me worry about the future of Tapestry. According to the research, Tapestry users declined drastically by 45% for the first time in 3 years. I was very surprised because of the hype and sound bytes from Howard and co. surrounding Tapestry 5. I understand users of Wicket grew by 55% whereas GWT grew by 85%. According to the source, Adobe Flex users grew by 91% and that seems huge to me but warrants it of course. Even Howard admits Flex is one of the best. I think I agree with this research just by looking at the traffic here on the Tapestry list as well as responses on Howard's blog site on all topics regarding Tapestry. What do you think? Yours friendly, Rob -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tapestry-users-declined-for-the-first-time-in-3-years%2C-says-this-researh-site-...-tp17016042p17330503.html Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tapestry users declined for the first time in 3 years, says this researh site ...
Except for the part about him not being a friend of wicket, I agree. We've every reason to believe this moron is the same Emanuel whatever, who is known to be Francis Amanfo, and who we know a good bit about. Specifically, he is active in the wicket community and was mentioned in a 'thanks' for having contributed an accepted patch (http://wicket.sourceforge.net/wicket-1.1/changes-report.html - search for Francis Amanfo). I wouldn't dare say that the rantings of a such bird brain reflect the wicket community, but he is in some manner associated with it. chris Geoff Callender wrote: A fine post, Jonathon, in every regard. I could not agree more. Geoff On 20/05/2008, at 9:41 AM, Jonathan Locke wrote: I was just googling around the Internet for people with Wicket problems and I ran across this highly obnoxious post and felt I should comment. If the research was real, the poster would have linked to it. In fact, nobody has any real basis short of a widespread statistical survey for assessing the number of users of open source frameworks. Since I highly doubt anyone cares enough to do such an expensive survey, we can safely assume the poster is not only an anti-social ass but also a liar. And he is certainly not a friend of the Wicket or open source communities, as posts like this are damaging to everyone involved. In case I'm not making this clear enough Rob Smeets: KNOCK IT OFF ALREADY! Open-source technologies should not be thought of as some kind of popularity contest. There are great technologies that languish in relative obscurity and mediocre ones that everyone seems to use. It is also objectively a healthy thing to have good alternatives as we don't live in a one-size-fits-all world. Tapestry is a solid framework with a long history, lots of users and plenty of development activity. I don't think Wicket or anything else will kill it and there's no reason to think it won't continue to flourish. Certainly it has been innovative for many years and is a cut above most of the rest... and honestly anything that helps to put a nail in the coffin of Struts is good for Java. Best, Jonathan Locke, Founder of Wicket Rob Smeets wrote: Hi guys, I don't mean to cause any depression or controversy but I saw this research results and thought you might want to know. Because this makes me worry about the future of Tapestry. According to the research, Tapestry users declined drastically by 45% for the first time in 3 years. I was very surprised because of the hype and sound bytes from Howard and co. surrounding Tapestry 5. I understand users of Wicket grew by 55% whereas GWT grew by 85%. According to the source, Adobe Flex users grew by 91% and that seems huge to me but warrants it of course. Even Howard admits Flex is one of the best. I think I agree with this research just by looking at the traffic here on the Tapestry list as well as responses on Howard's blog site on all topics regarding Tapestry. What do you think? Yours friendly, Rob -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tapestry-users-declined-for-the-first-time-in-3-years%2C-says-this-researh-site-...-tp17016042p17330503.html Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://thegodcode.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tapestry users declined for the first time in 3 years, says this researh site ...
Yeah ... when he published his article I asked him for the stats to back it up but no response! Toby - Original Message From: Chris Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tapestry users users@tapestry.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, 20 May, 2008 3:16:02 PM Subject: Re: Tapestry users declined for the first time in 3 years, says this researh site ... Except for the part about him not being a friend of wicket, I agree. We've every reason to believe this moron is the same Emanuel whatever, who is known to be Francis Amanfo, and who we know a good bit about. Specifically, he is active in the wicket community and was mentioned in a 'thanks' for having contributed an accepted patch (http://wicket.sourceforge.net/wicket-1.1/changes-report.html - search for Francis Amanfo). I wouldn't dare say that the rantings of a such bird brain reflect the wicket community, but he is in some manner associated with it. chris Geoff Callender wrote: A fine post, Jonathon, in every regard. I could not agree more. Geoff On 20/05/2008, at 9:41 AM, Jonathan Locke wrote: I was just googling around the Internet for people with Wicket problems and I ran across this highly obnoxious post and felt I should comment. If the research was real, the poster would have linked to it. In fact, nobody has any real basis short of a widespread statistical survey for assessing the number of users of open source frameworks. Since I highly doubt anyone cares enough to do such an expensive survey, we can safely assume the poster is not only an anti-social ass but also a liar. And he is certainly not a friend of the Wicket or open source communities, as posts like this are damaging to everyone involved. In case I'm not making this clear enough Rob Smeets: KNOCK IT OFF ALREADY! Open-source technologies should not be thought of as some kind of popularity contest. There are great technologies that languish in relative obscurity and mediocre ones that everyone seems to use. It is also objectively a healthy thing to have good alternatives as we don't live in a one-size-fits-all world. Tapestry is a solid framework with a long history, lots of users and plenty of development activity. I don't think Wicket or anything else will kill it and there's no reason to think it won't continue to flourish. Certainly it has been innovative for many years and is a cut above most of the rest... and honestly anything that helps to put a nail in the coffin of Struts is good for Java. Best, Jonathan Locke, Founder of Wicket Rob Smeets wrote: Hi guys, I don't mean to cause any depression or controversy but I saw this research results and thought you might want to know. Because this makes me worry about the future of Tapestry. According to the research, Tapestry users declined drastically by 45% for the first time in 3 years. I was very surprised because of the hype and sound bytes from Howard and co. surrounding Tapestry 5. I understand users of Wicket grew by 55% whereas GWT grew by 85%. According to the source, Adobe Flex users grew by 91% and that seems huge to me but warrants it of course. Even Howard admits Flex is one of the best. I think I agree with this research just by looking at the traffic here on the Tapestry list as well as responses on Howard's blog site on all topics regarding Tapestry. What do you think? Yours friendly, Rob -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tapestry-users-declined-for-the-first-time-in-3-years%2C-says-this-researh-site-...-tp17016042p17330503.html Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://thegodcode.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tapestry users declined for the first time in 3 years, says this researh site ...
Rob, I'm sure that you are a very busy man, so, don't worry about the future of Tapestry, you have did your part, thanks. I think you have to move on, and forget about Tapestry.
Re: Tapestry users declined for the first time in 3 years, says this researh site ...
Chris Lewis-5 wrote: Except for the part about him not being a friend of wicket, I agree. We've every reason to believe this moron is the same Emanuel whatever, who is known to be Francis Amanfo, and who we know a good bit about. Specifically, he is active in the wicket community and was mentioned in a 'thanks' for having contributed an accepted patch (http://wicket.sourceforge.net/wicket-1.1/changes-report.html - search for Francis Amanfo). I wouldn't dare say that the rantings of a such bird brain reflect the wicket community, but he is in some manner associated with it. The Francis mentioned here contributed a patch. A very long time ago I might add. I don't think it Rob and Francis and other trolls around here are one person, and messages like this: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=48743#249209 enforce that opinion. But maybe I don't know any off them either. To me, there is a huge difference between someone contributing a patch and someone being active over an extended period of time (patches, but also on the mailing list) or even being part of the core team. If there would be anyone really active in the Wicket community behaving like Rob does we'd quite simply tell him to go fcku himself. And in the case of Rob, I actually sent him a private email with pretty much that message a while ago, though I never got a reply. We've stated on several occasions and in public that we don't like trolls either (here for instance: http://chillenious.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/is-there-a-wicket-tapestry-feud/). The whole my group vs your group is so incredibly childish. And the trolls are probably laughing their asses off right now. Ignoring them works better. Eelco (from the Wicket 'community') -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tapestry-users-declined-for-the-first-time-in-3-years%2C-says-this-researh-site-...-tp17016042p17352495.html Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[...] We've stated on several occasions and in public that we don't like trolls either (here for instance: http://chillenious.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/is-there-a-wicket-tapestry-feud/). The whole my group vs your group is so incredibly childish. And the trolls are probably laughing their asses off right now. Ignoring them works better. Eelco (from the Wicket 'community') Jonathan, Eelco, I'm going to speak only for me but I really appreciate what you did here. It's really cool that you came and explained clearly what is going on with this Rob. He brought a quite unsound mood here, and I hope that your mails will clearly, definitely stop these troll, or at least that now, we will actually stop answering him. Thanks, and long life to Wicket :) Francois Armand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tapestry users declined for the first time in 3 years, says this researh site ...
I was just googling around the Internet for people with Wicket problems and I ran across this highly obnoxious post and felt I should comment. If the research was real, the poster would have linked to it. In fact, nobody has any real basis short of a widespread statistical survey for assessing the number of users of open source frameworks. Since I highly doubt anyone cares enough to do such an expensive survey, we can safely assume the poster is not only an anti-social ass but also a liar. And he is certainly not a friend of the Wicket or open source communities, as posts like this are damaging to everyone involved. In case I'm not making this clear enough Rob Smeets: KNOCK IT OFF ALREADY! Open-source technologies should not be thought of as some kind of popularity contest. There are great technologies that languish in relative obscurity and mediocre ones that everyone seems to use. It is also objectively a healthy thing to have good alternatives as we don't live in a one-size-fits-all world. Tapestry is a solid framework with a long history, lots of users and plenty of development activity. I don't think Wicket or anything else will kill it and there's no reason to think it won't continue to flourish. Certainly it has been innovative for many years and is a cut above most of the rest... and honestly anything that helps to put a nail in the coffin of Struts is good for Java. Best, Jonathan Locke, Founder of Wicket Rob Smeets wrote: Hi guys, I don't mean to cause any depression or controversy but I saw this research results and thought you might want to know. Because this makes me worry about the future of Tapestry. According to the research, Tapestry users declined drastically by 45% for the first time in 3 years. I was very surprised because of the hype and sound bytes from Howard and co. surrounding Tapestry 5. I understand users of Wicket grew by 55% whereas GWT grew by 85%. According to the source, Adobe Flex users grew by 91% and that seems huge to me but warrants it of course. Even Howard admits Flex is one of the best. I think I agree with this research just by looking at the traffic here on the Tapestry list as well as responses on Howard's blog site on all topics regarding Tapestry. What do you think? Yours friendly, Rob -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tapestry-users-declined-for-the-first-time-in-3-years%2C-says-this-researh-site-...-tp17016042p17330503.html Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tapestry users declined for the first time in 3 years, says this researh site ...
Hi guys, I don't mean to cause any depression or controversy but I saw this research results and thought you might want to know. Because this makes me worry about the future of Tapestry. According to the research, Tapestry users declined drastically by 45% for the first time in 3 years. I was very surprised because of the hype and sound bytes from Howard and co. surrounding Tapestry 5. I understand users of Wicket grew by 55% whereas GWT grew by 85%. According to the source, Adobe Flex users grew by 91% and that seems huge to me but warrants it of course. Even Howard admits Flex is one of the best. I think I agree with this research just by looking at the traffic here on the Tapestry list as well as responses on Howard's blog site on all topics regarding Tapestry. What do you think? Yours friendly, Rob
Re: Tapestry users declined for the first time in 3 years, says this researh site ...
Hi Rob ... which site are you referring to? Cheers Toby - Original Message From: Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tapestry users users@tapestry.apache.org Sent: Friday, 2 May, 2008 10:03:38 AM Subject: Tapestry users declined for the first time in 3 years, says this researh site ... Hi guys, I don't mean to cause any depression or controversy but I saw this research results and thought you might want to know. Because this makes me worry about the future of Tapestry. According to the research, Tapestry users declined drastically by 45% for the first time in 3 years. I was very surprised because of the hype and sound bytes from Howard and co. surrounding Tapestry 5. I understand users of Wicket grew by 55% whereas GWT grew by 85%. According to the source, Adobe Flex users grew by 91% and that seems huge to me but warrants it of course. Even Howard admits Flex is one of the best. I think I agree with this research just by looking at the traffic here on the Tapestry list as well as responses on Howard's blog site on all topics regarding Tapestry. What do you think? Yours friendly, Rob
Re: Tapestry users declined for the first time in 3 years, says this researh site ...
Does anyone on this list have the nouse to find out where Rob Smeets lives? I want to go round to his house and rough this little troll up a bit. 2008/5/2 Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi guys, I don't mean to cause any depression or controversy but I saw this research results and thought you might want to know. Because this makes me worry about the future of Tapestry. According to the research, Tapestry users declined drastically by 45% for the first time in 3 years. I was very surprised because of the hype and sound bytes from Howard and co. surrounding Tapestry 5. I understand users of Wicket grew by 55% whereas GWT grew by 85%. According to the source, Adobe Flex users grew by 91% and that seems huge to me but warrants it of course. Even Howard admits Flex is one of the best. I think I agree with this research just by looking at the traffic here on the Tapestry list as well as responses on Howard's blog site on all topics regarding Tapestry. What do you think? Yours friendly, Rob
Re: Tapestry users declined for the first time in 3 years, says this researh site ...
Amsterdam, Holland. That's as narrow as we've been able to nail it. On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:57 AM, Lance Java [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone on this list have the nouse to find out where Rob Smeets lives? I want to go round to his house and rough this little troll up a bit. 2008/5/2 Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi guys, I don't mean to cause any depression or controversy but I saw this research results and thought you might want to know. Because this makes me worry about the future of Tapestry. According to the research, Tapestry users declined drastically by 45% for the first time in 3 years. I was very surprised because of the hype and sound bytes from Howard and co. surrounding Tapestry 5. I understand users of Wicket grew by 55% whereas GWT grew by 85%. According to the source, Adobe Flex users grew by 91% and that seems huge to me but warrants it of course. Even Howard admits Flex is one of the best. I think I agree with this research just by looking at the traffic here on the Tapestry list as well as responses on Howard's blog site on all topics regarding Tapestry. What do you think? Yours friendly, Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Lance, If you contact me off list, I'll make my address available to you. But then when coming prepare yourself because I can assure you you won't go back home whole. Rob On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Lance Java [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone on this list have the nouse to find out where Rob Smeets lives? I want to go round to his house and rough this little troll up a bit. 2008/5/2 Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi guys, I don't mean to cause any depression or controversy but I saw this research results and thought you might want to know. Because this makes me worry about the future of Tapestry. According to the research, Tapestry users declined drastically by 45% for the first time in 3 years. I was very surprised because of the hype and sound bytes from Howard and co. surrounding Tapestry 5. I understand users of Wicket grew by 55% whereas GWT grew by 85%. According to the source, Adobe Flex users grew by 91% and that seems huge to me but warrants it of course. Even Howard admits Flex is one of the best. I think I agree with this research just by looking at the traffic here on the Tapestry list as well as responses on Howard's blog site on all topics regarding Tapestry. What do you think? Yours friendly, Rob
Re: Tapestry users declined for the first time in 3 years, says this researh site ...
Don't feed the troll. Don't make threats. Have a nice day. -Filip Lance Java skrev: Does anyone on this list have the nouse to find out where Rob Smeets lives? I want to go round to his house and rough this little troll up a bit. 2008/5/2 Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi guys, I don't mean to cause any depression or controversy but I saw this research results and thought you might want to know. Because this makes me worry about the future of Tapestry. According to the research, Tapestry users declined drastically by 45% for the first time in 3 years. I was very surprised because of the hype and sound bytes from Howard and co. surrounding Tapestry 5. I understand users of Wicket grew by 55% whereas GWT grew by 85%. According to the source, Adobe Flex users grew by 91% and that seems huge to me but warrants it of course. Even Howard admits Flex is one of the best. I think I agree with this research just by looking at the traffic here on the Tapestry list as well as responses on Howard's blog site on all topics regarding Tapestry. What do you think? Yours friendly, Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Heh. Of course - off line. Won't show the list what the address is? Why is that, Rob? You have my e-mail from the list - feel free to contact me off-line. I've been doing this sort of thing since before there was a commercial web. I'm not faint of heart. Try me. Christian. On 2-May-08, at 07:13 , Rob Smeets wrote: Hi Lance, If you contact me off list, I'll make my address available to you. But then when coming prepare yourself because I can assure you you won't go back home whole. Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tapestry users declined for the first time in 3 years, says this researh site ...
Rob Smeets schrieb: Hi guys, I don't mean to cause any depression or controversy but I saw this research results and thought you might want to know. Because this makes me worry about the future of Tapestry. According to the research, Tapestry users declined drastically by 45% for the first time in 3 years. I was very surprised because of the hype and sound bytes from Howard and co. surrounding Tapestry 5. I understand users of Wicket grew by 55% whereas GWT grew by 85%. According to the source, Adobe Flex users grew by 91% and that seems huge to me but warrants it of course. Even Howard admits Flex is one of the best. I think I agree with this research just by looking at the traffic here on the Tapestry list as well as responses on Howard's blog site on all topics regarding Tapestry. What do you think? Yours friendly, Rob So we now have 21 Flex users (instead of 11), 37 GWT users (instead of 20), 31 Wicket users (instead of 20) and just 275000 Tapestry users (instead of 50)? That doesn't sound that bad... Uli - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 5/2/08, Rob Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lance, If you contact me off list, I'll make my address available to you. But then when coming prepare yourself because I can assure you you won't go back home whole. Is this guy a Uwe Boll fan? :-) If you don't know what I'm talking about, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uwe_boll#Critic_boxing_matches_.28Raging_Boll.29 -- Thiago - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
