Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour
I still can't understand how winscp has any part in this. I don't copy anything, I only use it to view the files. Tomcat automatically creates the .java and .class files. I could use putty or some other tool and the result would be the same. But it's even wierder. Now I see even the catalina.out file (which is updated very often) has the timestamp +1 hour. Like that wouldn't be enough, the servers are in Italy, where the time is now 9:05 (so the server time is 9:05), i'm in Romania where the time is 10:05, and catalina out was last modified(aparently) at 11:05. too wierd - Original Message From: David Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 10:49:35 PM Subject: Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour Winscp isn't a command line tool -- it's one of those GUI enabled transfer tools with the split panels. Think of something more along the lines of Explorer or Norton Commander -- the two interfaces styles available from winscp out of the box. By default it set's the date/time of the recently sent file to the client's date/time so it can implement a synchronize feature. I changed the settings in mine to prevent this because my server time would float a little between ntp updates. Tomcat wouldn't see the updates until a couple of minutes after I uploaded them. Issues of times on the remote system being off by an hour are discussed on the winscp website (as the OP described in his example in the original post): http://winscp.net/eng/docs/timestamp The setting to preserve timestamps on uploads can be changed: http://winscp.net/eng/docs/ui_copy -- here you can see the checkbox labeled Preserve timestamp in the screenshot, far right side under 'Attributes'. --David Christopher Schultz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David, David Smith wrote: | I've seen some transfer clients (like winscp) default to setting the | date/time on the remote copy the same as the local. If 'winscp' acts anything like UNIX scp, then the default mode is to set the modification time on the destination to the destination's current date (basically, 'touch' the file upon creation). The -p switch allows you to preserve the existing modification time of the source file, so that the destination matches the source after the copy. It's unclear how different time zones are handled. I would check to see what 'winscp' does by default. You probably want any files you copy to your server to be date-stamped with the current date on the server, rather than preserving the source file's modification time. The OP never mentioned what the timezone was on the source machine, only the destination (CEST, UTC +2). - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkf7xUUACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PCT8gCggO1z8trzf40N1YNbgAgy0cUP SjkAoJqJiFYvg56JthbKEkFihH3LARPq =LrfO -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour
Solved well, i guess you guys were right. problem was winscp which had an option preserve timestamp in the preferences panel. Disabled it and now it seems to show all times corectly. 10x a lot for everybody's help! really thanks! - Original Message From: loredana loredana [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 10:06:10 AM Subject: Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour I still can't understand how winscp has any part in this. I don't copy anything, I only use it to view the files. Tomcat automatically creates the .java and .class files. I could use putty or some other tool and the result would be the same. But it's even wierder. Now I see even the catalina.out file (which is updated very often) has the timestamp +1 hour. Like that wouldn't be enough, the servers are in Italy, where the time is now 9:05 (so the server time is 9:05), i'm in Romania where the time is 10:05, and catalina out was last modified(aparently) at 11:05. too wierd - Original Message From: David Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 10:49:35 PM Subject: Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour Winscp isn't a command line tool -- it's one of those GUI enabled transfer tools with the split panels. Think of something more along the lines of Explorer or Norton Commander -- the two interfaces styles available from winscp out of the box. By default it set's the date/time of the recently sent file to the client's date/time so it can implement a synchronize feature. I changed the settings in mine to prevent this because my server time would float a little between ntp updates. Tomcat wouldn't see the updates until a couple of minutes after I uploaded them. Issues of times on the remote system being off by an hour are discussed on the winscp website (as the OP described in his example in the original post): http://winscp.net/eng/docs/timestamp The setting to preserve timestamps on uploads can be changed: http://winscp.net/eng/docs/ui_copy -- here you can see the checkbox labeled Preserve timestamp in the screenshot, far right side under 'Attributes'. --David Christopher Schultz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David, David Smith wrote: | I've seen some transfer clients (like winscp) default to setting the | date/time on the remote copy the same as the local. If 'winscp' acts anything like UNIX scp, then the default mode is to set the modification time on the destination to the destination's current date (basically, 'touch' the file upon creation). The -p switch allows you to preserve the existing modification time of the source file, so that the destination matches the source after the copy. It's unclear how different time zones are handled. I would check to see what 'winscp' does by default. You probably want any files you copy to your server to be date-stamped with the current date on the server, rather than preserving the source file's modification time. The OP never mentioned what the timezone was on the source machine, only the destination (CEST, UTC +2). - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkf7xUUACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PCT8gCggO1z8trzf40N1YNbgAgy0cUP SjkAoJqJiFYvg56JthbKEkFihH3LARPq =LrfO -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour
Hi Hi, I have a wierd problem with tomcat cache. Let's say now time its 15:00. i create a test.jsp in the application folder. Using winscp, I see the tab Changed(last modified) 15:00. I access the jsp in the browser. In the work folder now will appear 2 new files: test.java and test.class files. The wierd thing is these files have the tab changed 16:00. how is that possible? This is the reason why my jsp files are not updated. But I can't understand why those 2 files show 16:00 at last changed when the time is 15:00did anyone ever had similar problem? It seems you have a problem with your date time settings on your machines. Are you sure your timezone is well configured ? any problem with summer time or daylight saving time ? Regards -- William http://www.wbonnet.net http://www.sunwizard.net Le site français des amateurs de stations Unix http://www.blastwave.org An OpenSolaris Community Site http://www.guses.org French speaking Solaris User Group - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour
I don't think so. I run a date command on the server (which is ubuntu) and got Tue Apr 8 15:50:01 CEST 2008 Is there any configurations I have to do in tomcat? set TZ variables or anything? - Original Message From: William Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 3:43:12 PM Subject: Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour Hi Hi, I have a wierd problem with tomcat cache. Let's say now time its 15:00. i create a test.jsp in the application folder. Using winscp, I see the tab Changed(last modified) 15:00. I access the jsp in the browser. In the work folder now will appear 2 new files: test.java and test.class files. The wierd thing is these files have the tab changed 16:00. how is that possible? This is the reason why my jsp files are not updated. But I can't understand why those 2 files show 16:00 at last changed when the time is 15:00did anyone ever had similar problem? It seems you have a problem with your date time settings on your machines.. Are you sure your timezone is well configured ? any problem with summer time or daylight saving time ? Regards -- William http://www.wbonnet.net http://www.sunwizard.net Le site français des amateurs de stations Unix http://www.blastwave.org An OpenSolaris Community Site http://www.guses.orgFrench speaking Solaris User Group - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You rock.. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:12 AM, loredana loredana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I run a date command on the server (which is ubuntu) and got Tue Apr 8 15:50:01 CEST 2008 Using winscp, I see ... So it sounds like your problem is with winscp, whatever that is, not Tomcat :-)Maybe this is a question for the winscp user list? -- Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour
winscp is a tool...like windows commander or total commander, . is just to view the files in an organized matter. :) i'm sure the problem is not winscp :) - Original Message From: Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 5:33:44 PM Subject: Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:12 AM, loredana loredana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I run a date command on the server (which is ubuntu) and got Tue Apr 8 15:50:01 CEST 2008 Using winscp, I see ... So it sounds like your problem is with winscp, whatever that is, not Tomcat :-)Maybe this is a question for the winscp user list? -- Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour
I've seen some transfer clients (like winscp) default to setting the date/time on the remote copy the same as the local. If the local system time isn't in sync with the server, it could cause issues like this. When the jsp is compiled, tomcat uses the server's date, time and time zone. In your specific case, it may be either your local system or the server doesn't have the right time zone or maybe hasn't handled the daylight savings time transition correctly. --David loredana loredana wrote: winscp is a tool...like windows commander or total commander, . is just to view the files in an organized matter. :) i'm sure the problem is not winscp :) - Original Message From: Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 5:33:44 PM Subject: Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:12 AM, loredana loredana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I run a date command on the server (which is ubuntu) and got Tue Apr 8 15:50:01 CEST 2008 Using winscp, I see ... So it sounds like your problem is with winscp, whatever that is, not Tomcat :-)Maybe this is a question for the winscp user list? - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:37 AM, loredana loredana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: winscp is a tool...like windows commander or total commander, . is just to view the files in an organized matter. :) i'm sure the problem is not winscp :) Your original description of a problem refers only to what you see in 'winscp' -- what exactly is the problem you're trying to diagnose? -- Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour
You probably need to update your JVM. There is a bug in the internal time handling of the new DST rules here in the USA (at least). THe latest Java 5 and Java 6 JVM from Sun have fixed this. I know that the issue exists in the build 1.6.0-b105 Sun JVM, and I think that 1.5.0_14- b103 also exhibits the issue, but I can't down our main development server right now to confirm that. We are not experiencing the symptoms that you are describing, but we are seeiong that all of our logging is off by an hour as a result. It's certainly worth checking in any case. Regards, -Greg On 8 Apr 2008 at 7:37, loredana loredana wrote: winscp is a tool...like windows commander or total commander, . is just to view the files in an organized matter. :) i'm sure the problem is not winscp :) - Original Message From: Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 5:33:44 PM Subject: Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:12 AM, loredana loredana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I run a date command on the server (which is ubuntu) and got Tue Apr 8 15:50:01 CEST 2008 Using winscp, I see ... So it sounds like your problem is with winscp, whatever that is, not Tomcat :-)Maybe this is a question for the winscp user list? -- Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Gregory H. Vilardi631-752-2701x240 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project Manager / Lead Software Engineer Recurrent Software Solutions, a division of PES Payroll 1 Huntington Quadrangle, Suite 1C02, Melville, NY 11747 Fax: 631-752-3397 http://www.recurrentsoft.com - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David, David Smith wrote: | I've seen some transfer clients (like winscp) default to setting the | date/time on the remote copy the same as the local. If 'winscp' acts anything like UNIX scp, then the default mode is to set the modification time on the destination to the destination's current date (basically, 'touch' the file upon creation). The -p switch allows you to preserve the existing modification time of the source file, so that the destination matches the source after the copy. It's unclear how different time zones are handled. I would check to see what 'winscp' does by default. You probably want any files you copy to your server to be date-stamped with the current date on the server, rather than preserving the source file's modification time. The OP never mentioned what the timezone was on the source machine, only the destination (CEST, UTC +2). - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkf7xUUACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PCT8gCggO1z8trzf40N1YNbgAgy0cUP SjkAoJqJiFYvg56JthbKEkFihH3LARPq =LrfO -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tomcat cache wierd behaviour
Winscp isn't a command line tool -- it's one of those GUI enabled transfer tools with the split panels. Think of something more along the lines of Explorer or Norton Commander -- the two interfaces styles available from winscp out of the box. By default it set's the date/time of the recently sent file to the client's date/time so it can implement a synchronize feature. I changed the settings in mine to prevent this because my server time would float a little between ntp updates. Tomcat wouldn't see the updates until a couple of minutes after I uploaded them. Issues of times on the remote system being off by an hour are discussed on the winscp website (as the OP described in his example in the original post): http://winscp.net/eng/docs/timestamp The setting to preserve timestamps on uploads can be changed: http://winscp.net/eng/docs/ui_copy -- here you can see the checkbox labeled Preserve timestamp in the screenshot, far right side under 'Attributes'. --David Christopher Schultz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David, David Smith wrote: | I've seen some transfer clients (like winscp) default to setting the | date/time on the remote copy the same as the local. If 'winscp' acts anything like UNIX scp, then the default mode is to set the modification time on the destination to the destination's current date (basically, 'touch' the file upon creation). The -p switch allows you to preserve the existing modification time of the source file, so that the destination matches the source after the copy. It's unclear how different time zones are handled. I would check to see what 'winscp' does by default. You probably want any files you copy to your server to be date-stamped with the current date on the server, rather than preserving the source file's modification time. The OP never mentioned what the timezone was on the source machine, only the destination (CEST, UTC +2). - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkf7xUUACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PCT8gCggO1z8trzf40N1YNbgAgy0cUP SjkAoJqJiFYvg56JthbKEkFihH3LARPq =LrfO -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
