RE: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration

2010-06-16 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
> From: MB [mailto:digital.disc...@gmail.com]
> Subject: Re: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration
> 
> > >   
> >
> > Why have you declared the above?  Where in the doc does it say you
> > should do that?
>
> Actually Tomcat did that.

Tomcat did what?  Inserted a  element inside one of your s?  
Please describe precisely how Tomcat did that.

Note that the TldConfig class doesn't implement the necessary interfaces so it 
can never be a valid subject of a  element.

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Re: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration

2010-06-16 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:13 PM, MB  wrote:

> I'm sorry Hassan, but I don't have time with a meta-debate right now.

I'm not trying to "debate" anything, I'm trying to understand what
*exactly* you found lacking so it can be improved.

> That the how-to didn't work out for me is proof enough a more useful one
> can be written. Maybe not a perfect one, but a more useful one for
> people in my situation.

which is different how from that of the target audience?

>>What additional *specific* "real world" information would you include?
> Eh, stuff that doesn't have to be "extracted" in order to be useful.
> Generalization is useful, but a minimal ampount of specifics are more
> useful. I have to get back to you on the specifics.

Lord, I give up.

> I'm thankful for the help received so far here, so I'll try and give
> back when I have the opportunity.

That's how open source works...

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Re: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration

2010-06-16 Thread MB
Hassan Schroeder said:

>On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:29 AM, MB  wrote:
>
>> And? The how-to not very real world for people in my situation
>
>> Too little real world
>
>You keep saying that, without detail. What is "not real world" about
>the content of the how-to?  It is, after all, intended to be a minimalist
>description, and it certainly works if followed.
I'm sorry Hassan, but I don't have time with a meta-debate right now.
That the how-to didn't work out for me is proof enough a more useful one
can be written. Maybe not a perfect one, but a more useful one for
people in my situation.

>What additional *specific* "real world" information would you include?
Eh, stuff that doesn't have to be "extracted" in order to be useful.
Generalization is useful, but a minimal ampount of specifics are more
useful. I have to get back to you on the specifics. I have work to do
right now.

I'm thankful for the help received so far here, so I'll try and give
back when I have the opportunity. 


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Re: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration

2010-06-16 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:29 AM, MB  wrote:

> And? The how-to not very real world for people in my situation

> Too little real world

You keep saying that, without detail. What is "not real world" about
the content of the how-to?  It is, after all, intended to be a minimalist
description, and it certainly works if followed.

What additional *specific* "real world" information would you include?

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Re: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration

2010-06-16 Thread MB
Hassan Schroeder said:

>That's what that virtual hosting how-to is *intended* to provide 
And? The how-to not very real world for people in my situation and
doesn't contain all the relevant info in one page. That's what I intend
to write when I get my head around it all. Unless I find a link to an
existing article. 

The Wiki link from Mark Eggers was nice and very useful, except I'd like
to see a production server article instead. That and O'reilly's "Tomcat,
The definitive guide" (of 2008) have gotten me closer to a real
solution. At least my hosts work now.

Now, if I only could make Netbeans 6.8 (PPC OS X 10.5) to run my local
5.5.29 as nice as the built-in 6. It keeps complaining about stuff even
as I have chmod'ed it correctly. 


>-- what
>exactly about it did you find difficult or confusing to follow?
Too little real world, simple examples are only so good. There seem to
be only one good way to use the fragment Context file, so why waste time
on the others first? They could be listed further down. 
Real world examples for development and production server setting would
be way better.

Unless I find something I will write it later.




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Re: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration

2010-06-16 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:21 PM, MB  wrote:

>>http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/virtual-hosting-howto.html
>
> Thanks for your response, Hassan. Perhaps I should have been more clear
> what I had done already.
>
> I've read that page, took my time, cleaned out my old install,
> reinstalled 5.5.28, updated and installed 5.5.29.

> In return for any help I receive, I'll write a guide for mere mortals,

That's what that virtual hosting how-to is *intended* to provide -- what
exactly about it did you find difficult or confusing to follow?

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Re: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration

2010-06-16 Thread Mark Eggers
You're right of course.

I meant you don't copy over the manager web application separately from the 
ROOT. It's in $CATALINA_HOME/server/webapps/manager and the manager.xml file in 
$CATALINA_HOME/conf/Catalina/ has a docBase attribute.

/mde/

--- On Wed, 6/16/10, Pid  wrote:

> From: Pid 
> Subject: Re: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration
> To: "Tomcat Users List" 
> Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 2:58 AM
> On 16/06/2010 08:12, Mark Eggers
> wrote:
> > MB,
> > 
> > You can follow the instructions given for Tomcat 6 on
> this wiki page:
> > 
> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/TomcatDevelopmentVirtualHosts
> > 
> > The only difference is that the Manager application
> for Tomcat 5.5.29 is contained in the ROOT application. 
> 
> Eh?  I'm not sure you meant what that actually says.
> 
> 
> p
> 
> > This means that you will skip the following step.
> >
> > 3. Copy the manager application from
> $CATALINA_HOME/webapps to each of the 
> >    virtual host webapp directories
> >    1. For virtual host foo, this means
> copying manager to
> >       hosts/foo-host/webapps
> (full path depends on actual location to
> >       match the server.xml
> entry)
> >    2. For virtual host bar, this means
> copying manager to
> >       hosts/bar-host/webapps
> (full path depends on actual location
> >       to match the server.xml
> entry)
> > 
> > I just tested this on my 5.5.29 installation on Fedora
> 13 (Java 6.0.20). Works as advertised.
> > 
> > just my two cents . . . 
> > 
> > /mde/
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 6/15/10, MB 
> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: MB 
> >> Subject: Re: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration
> >> To: "Tomcat Users List" 
> >> Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 10:21 PM
> >> Caldarale, Charles R said:
> >>
> >>> Nothing, but you must do it correctly.
> >> Yes, I figured that much. :)
> >>
> >>> You don't set the path attribute - in almost
> all cases
> >> it is illegal
> >>> (and "/" is never correct, under any
> circumstances -
> >> read the doc).
> >> Interesting. Time for a reread.
> >>
> >>>>    name="Catalina"
> >> defaultHost="kron">
> >>>>         >>
> className="org.apache.catalina.realm.UserDatabaseRealm"
> >>>>           
>   
> >> resourceName="UserDatabase" />
> >>>>         >> name="medpsy"
> appBase="/home/webbplatser/medpsy.no" />
> >>>>         >> name="kron" appBase="/home/webbplatser/kron.no"
> />
> >>>>      
> >>>
> >>> The above looks ok.
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>>> Fragment context settings in
> >> /Catalina/kron/ROOT.xml (similar
> >>>> for the other site:
> >>>>
> >>>>  
> >>   
> docBase="/home/webbplatser/kron.no/ROOT"
> >>>>      path="/"
> >>> Take out the docBase and path attributes;
> they're not
> >> allowed here.  The
> >>> path is derived from the name of the .xml
> file, and the
> >> webapp is
> >>> located in the  appBase, so
> docBase must
> >> not be used.
> >> This seems to be vital info I'll try and
> incorporate. Time
> >> for testing!
> >>
> >>> Why have you declared the above?  Where
> in the doc
> >> does it say you
> >>> should do that?
> >> Actually Tomcat did that.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your response, Charles. Very helpful.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hassan Schroeder said
> >>
> >>> In the documentation?
> >>>
> >>> http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/virtual-hosting-howto.html
> >>
> >> Thanks for your response, Hassan. Perhaps I should
> have
> >> been more clear
> >> what I had done already.
> >>
> >> I've read that page, took my time, cleaned out my
> old
> >> install,
> >> reinstalled 5.5.28, updated and installed 5.5.29.
> I also
> >> have 3 books
> >> about Tomcat with similar instructions.
> Information about
> >> Tomcat often
> >> seem to me to be incomplete, not entirely relevant
> to what
> >> I want to set
> >> up - multiple hosts, standalone and so on - or i

Re: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration

2010-06-16 Thread Pid
On 16/06/2010 08:12, Mark Eggers wrote:
> MB,
> 
> You can follow the instructions given for Tomcat 6 on this wiki page:
> 
> http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/TomcatDevelopmentVirtualHosts
> 
> The only difference is that the Manager application for Tomcat 5.5.29 is 
> contained in the ROOT application. 

Eh?  I'm not sure you meant what that actually says.


p

> This means that you will skip the following step.
>
> 3. Copy the manager application from $CATALINA_HOME/webapps to each of the 
>virtual host webapp directories
>1. For virtual host foo, this means copying manager to
>   hosts/foo-host/webapps (full path depends on actual location to
>   match the server.xml entry)
>2. For virtual host bar, this means copying manager to
>   hosts/bar-host/webapps (full path depends on actual location
>   to match the server.xml entry)
> 
> I just tested this on my 5.5.29 installation on Fedora 13 (Java 6.0.20). 
> Works as advertised.
> 
> just my two cents . . . 
> 
> /mde/
> 
> --- On Tue, 6/15/10, MB  wrote:
> 
>> From: MB 
>> Subject: Re: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration
>> To: "Tomcat Users List" 
>> Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 10:21 PM
>> Caldarale, Charles R said:
>>
>>> Nothing, but you must do it correctly.
>> Yes, I figured that much. :)
>>
>>> You don't set the path attribute - in almost all cases
>> it is illegal
>>> (and "/" is never correct, under any circumstances -
>> read the doc).
>> Interesting. Time for a reread.
>>
>>>>   > defaultHost="kron">
>>>>> className="org.apache.catalina.realm.UserDatabaseRealm"
>>>>  
>> resourceName="UserDatabase" />
>>>>> name="medpsy" appBase="/home/webbplatser/medpsy.no" />
>>>>> name="kron" appBase="/home/webbplatser/kron.no" />
>>>>  
>>>
>>> The above looks ok.
>> Thanks
>>
>>>> Fragment context settings in
>> /Catalina/kron/ROOT.xml (similar
>>>> for the other site:
>>>>
>>>>  
>>docBase="/home/webbplatser/kron.no/ROOT"
>>>>  path="/"
>>> Take out the docBase and path attributes; they're not
>> allowed here.  The
>>> path is derived from the name of the .xml file, and the
>> webapp is
>>> located in the  appBase, so docBase must
>> not be used.
>> This seems to be vital info I'll try and incorporate. Time
>> for testing!
>>
>>> Why have you declared the above?  Where in the doc
>> does it say you
>>> should do that?
>> Actually Tomcat did that.
>>
>> Thanks for your response, Charles. Very helpful.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hassan Schroeder said
>>
>>> In the documentation?
>>>
>>> http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/virtual-hosting-howto.html
>>
>> Thanks for your response, Hassan. Perhaps I should have
>> been more clear
>> what I had done already.
>>
>> I've read that page, took my time, cleaned out my old
>> install,
>> reinstalled 5.5.28, updated and installed 5.5.29. I also
>> have 3 books
>> about Tomcat with similar instructions. Information about
>> Tomcat often
>> seem to me to be incomplete, not entirely relevant to what
>> I want to set
>> up - multiple hosts, standalone and so on - or is often
>> way too detailed
>> or just not based around real world examples, which makes
>> it difficult
>> to extract info.
>> I have succeeded many times before setting up server with
>> Tomcat 4. In
>> contrast configuring Apache2 - with vhosts anyway - is a
>> piece of cake
>> to setup. Not the same cup of tea, but nevertheless.
>>
>> I really want to understand Tomcat in this regard as it's
>> very
>> difficult to run a java-based server unless you have a
>> virtual server
>> and this means -  for me anyway - I have to set it up and
>> administrate
>> it as there's no budget and no people I know that I can ask
>> as of now.
>>
>> In return for any help I receive, I'll write a guide for
>> mere mortals,
>> put it on the web and make it known here, so no pesky
>> newbies have to
>> ask about this more than necessarily.
>>
>> This setup is so basic it should just work. Folding up my
>> sleeves.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration

2010-06-16 Thread Mark Eggers
MB,

You can follow the instructions given for Tomcat 6 on this wiki page:

http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/TomcatDevelopmentVirtualHosts

The only difference is that the Manager application for Tomcat 5.5.29 is 
contained in the ROOT application. This means that you will skip the following 
step.

3. Copy the manager application from $CATALINA_HOME/webapps to each of the 
   virtual host webapp directories
   1. For virtual host foo, this means copying manager to
  hosts/foo-host/webapps (full path depends on actual location to
  match the server.xml entry)
   2. For virtual host bar, this means copying manager to
  hosts/bar-host/webapps (full path depends on actual location
  to match the server.xml entry)

I just tested this on my 5.5.29 installation on Fedora 13 (Java 6.0.20). Works 
as advertised.

just my two cents . . . 

/mde/

--- On Tue, 6/15/10, MB  wrote:

> From: MB 
> Subject: Re: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration
> To: "Tomcat Users List" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 10:21 PM
> Caldarale, Charles R said:
> 
> >Nothing, but you must do it correctly.
> Yes, I figured that much. :)
> 
> >You don't set the path attribute - in almost all cases
> it is illegal
> >(and "/" is never correct, under any circumstances -
> read the doc).
> Interesting. Time for a reread.
> 
> >>   defaultHost="kron">
> >>        className="org.apache.catalina.realm.UserDatabaseRealm"
> >>             
> resourceName="UserDatabase" />
> >>        name="medpsy" appBase="/home/webbplatser/medpsy.no" />
> >>        name="kron" appBase="/home/webbplatser/kron.no" />
> >>     
> >
> >The above looks ok.
> Thanks
> 
> >> Fragment context settings in
> /Catalina/kron/ROOT.xml (similar
> >> for the other site:
> >>
> >> 
>    docBase="/home/webbplatser/kron.no/ROOT"
> >>     path="/"
> >Take out the docBase and path attributes; they're not
> allowed here.  The
> >path is derived from the name of the .xml file, and the
> webapp is
> >located in the  appBase, so docBase must
> not be used.
> This seems to be vital info I'll try and incorporate. Time
> for testing!
> 
> >Why have you declared the above?  Where in the doc
> does it say you
> >should do that?
> Actually Tomcat did that.
> 
> Thanks for your response, Charles. Very helpful.
> 
> 
> 
> Hassan Schroeder said
> 
> >In the documentation?
> >
> >http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/virtual-hosting-howto.html
> 
> Thanks for your response, Hassan. Perhaps I should have
> been more clear
> what I had done already.
> 
> I've read that page, took my time, cleaned out my old
> install,
> reinstalled 5.5.28, updated and installed 5.5.29. I also
> have 3 books
> about Tomcat with similar instructions. Information about
> Tomcat often
> seem to me to be incomplete, not entirely relevant to what
> I want to set
> up - multiple hosts, standalone and so on - or is often
> way too detailed
> or just not based around real world examples, which makes
> it difficult
> to extract info.
> I have succeeded many times before setting up server with
> Tomcat 4. In
> contrast configuring Apache2 - with vhosts anyway - is a
> piece of cake
> to setup. Not the same cup of tea, but nevertheless.
> 
> I really want to understand Tomcat in this regard as it's
> very
> difficult to run a java-based server unless you have a
> virtual server
> and this means -  for me anyway - I have to set it up and
> administrate
> it as there's no budget and no people I know that I can ask
> as of now.
> 
> In return for any help I receive, I'll write a guide for
> mere mortals,
> put it on the web and make it known here, so no pesky
> newbies have to
> ask about this more than necessarily.
> 
> This setup is so basic it should just work. Folding up my
> sleeves.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration

2010-06-15 Thread MB
Caldarale, Charles R said:

>Nothing, but you must do it correctly.
Yes, I figured that much. :)

>You don't set the path attribute - in almost all cases it is illegal
>(and "/" is never correct, under any circumstances - read the doc).
Interesting. Time for a reread.

>>  
>>   >  resourceName="UserDatabase" />
>>   
>>   
>> 
>
>The above looks ok.
Thanks

>> Fragment context settings in /Catalina/kron/ROOT.xml (similar
>> for the other site:
>>
>> docBase="/home/webbplatser/kron.no/ROOT"
>> path="/"
>Take out the docBase and path attributes; they're not allowed here.  The
>path is derived from the name of the .xml file, and the webapp is
>located in the  appBase, so docBase must not be used.
This seems to be vital info I'll try and incorporate. Time for testing!

>Why have you declared the above?  Where in the doc does it say you
>should do that?
Actually Tomcat did that.

Thanks for your response, Charles. Very helpful.



Hassan Schroeder said

>In the documentation?
>
>http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/virtual-hosting-howto.html

Thanks for your response, Hassan. Perhaps I should have been more clear
what I had done already.

I've read that page, took my time, cleaned out my old install,
reinstalled 5.5.28, updated and installed 5.5.29. I also have 3 books
about Tomcat with similar instructions. Information about Tomcat often
seem to me to be incomplete, not entirely relevant to what I want to set
up - multiple hosts, standalone and so on - or is often way too detailed
or just not based around real world examples, which makes it difficult
to extract info.
I have succeeded many times before setting up server with Tomcat 4. In
contrast configuring Apache2 - with vhosts anyway - is a piece of cake
to setup. Not the same cup of tea, but nevertheless.

I really want to understand Tomcat in this regard as it's very
difficult to run a java-based server unless you have a virtual server
and this means -  for me anyway - I have to set it up and administrate
it as there's no budget and no people I know that I can ask as of now.

In return for any help I receive, I'll write a guide for mere mortals,
put it on the web and make it known here, so no pesky newbies have to
ask about this more than necessarily.

This setup is so basic it should just work. Folding up my sleeves.




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RE: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration

2010-06-15 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
> From: MB [mailto:digital.disc...@gmail.com]
> Subject: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration
> 
> to deploy 2 virtual hosts in Tomcat 5.5.29 (no Apache) what more than
> the server.xml file below and a context.xml per each host in Catalina
> do you need to set up?

Nothing, but you must do it correctly.

> Where do I set path, like for "/"?

You don't set the path attribute - in almost all cases it is illegal (and "/" 
is never correct, under any circumstances - read the doc).

>  
> resourceName="UserDatabase" />
>   
>   
> 

The above looks ok.

> Fragment context settings in /Catalina/kron/ROOT.xml (similar 
> for the other site:
> 
> docBase="/home/webbplatser/kron.no/ROOT"
> path="/"

Take out the docBase and path attributes; they're not allowed here.  The path 
is derived from the name of the .xml file, and the webapp is located in the 
 appBase, so docBase must not be used.

> workDir="work/Catalina/kron/_">

Remove the workDir attribute, since you've done nothing but specify the default.

>   

Why have you declared the above?  Where in the doc does it say you should do 
that?

> GUIDES?

It's all in the docs:
http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/virtual-hosting-howto.html
http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/config/context.html

Don't forget to look in the Tomcat logs for deployment problems.

 - Chuck


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Re: basic 2 virtual hosts configuration

2010-06-15 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:23 PM, MB  wrote:

> GUIDES?
> Anyone that can point to a guide that focuses only on the steps
> necessary to configure Tomcat 5.5.x for 2 or more virtual hosts?

In the documentation?

http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/virtual-hosting-howto.html

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basic 2 virtual hosts configuration

2010-06-15 Thread MB

to deploy 2 virtual hosts in Tomcat 5.5.29 (no Apache) what more than
the server.xml file below and a context.xml per each host in Catalina do
you need to set up?

Where do I set path, like for "/"? Alright in the context file (see below)?

server.xml:


  


  

  

 
  
  
  

  



Fragment context settings in /Catalina/kron/ROOT.xml (similar for the
other site: 



  
:

This set up doesn't serve a pages physically put in any of the ROOT
folders of the sites. I get blank pages.

GUIDES?
Anyone that can point to a guide that focuses only on the steps
necessary to configure Tomcat 5.5.x for 2 or more virtual hosts?
Preferably without involvement with Apache.





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