Re: Conversation scope in wicket
hi jamesjoe, which are the issues with clint popetz's current work on the webbeans-wicket integration (already contained in the webbeans preview) that you would write your own? cheers, uwe. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:05 PM, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.comwrote: JSR-299 is somewhat of a moving target right now, so it's hard to stay up-to-date with it. I'm mainly working with the OpenWebBeans folks on it. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Joe Fawzy joewic...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:44 AM, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.comwrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.com wrote: you are free to implement this as an open source addition to wicket. there is wicketstuff or googlecode or sf.net where you can host it. wicket is a ui framework and conversational scope management falls outside wicket's scope. it is our job to provide the hooks to make such things possible, not to provide an implementation. And, those hooks are very nice. I would only ask for some more listener registering opportunities (like for listening to request cycle events like begin/end rather than having to implement your own request cycle). Yes this is a much needed functionality i think we may cooperate in that thing can u start another mail discussion suggesting ur needs , and make everyone participate Thanks Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Conversation scope in wicket
#1, I didn't know about it. #2, I wanted to get familiar with JSR-299, so having to write an integration is a pretty good way to get down and dirty. :) On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:43 AM, jannerujan.ne...@googlemail.com wrote: hi jamesjoe, which are the issues with clint popetz's current work on the webbeans-wicket integration (already contained in the webbeans preview) that you would write your own? cheers, uwe. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:05 PM, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.comwrote: JSR-299 is somewhat of a moving target right now, so it's hard to stay up-to-date with it. I'm mainly working with the OpenWebBeans folks on it. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Joe Fawzy joewic...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:44 AM, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.comwrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.com wrote: you are free to implement this as an open source addition to wicket. there is wicketstuff or googlecode or sf.net where you can host it. wicket is a ui framework and conversational scope management falls outside wicket's scope. it is our job to provide the hooks to make such things possible, not to provide an implementation. And, those hooks are very nice. I would only ask for some more listener registering opportunities (like for listening to request cycle events like begin/end rather than having to implement your own request cycle). Yes this is a much needed functionality i think we may cooperate in that thing can u start another mail discussion suggesting ur needs , and make everyone participate Thanks Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Conversation scope in wicket
Hi dearfirst of all, why add another dependency,just for conversation handling, while we have in wicket a strong ground for it note: jsr299 is a big spec with a somehow complex lifecycle(which may not be compatible with that of wicket) and really complicated bean resolution strategy second: wicket components are not 299 beans, wicket is an unmanaged framework , u must create the components urself, not by the framework, which is a requirement for jsr299 what can be done with web beans, is to inject its objects in wicket components BUT u cannot manage wicket components as web beans , and for example inject them or handle there lifecycle Joe On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:43 AM, janneru jan.ne...@googlemail.com wrote: hi jamesjoe, which are the issues with clint popetz's current work on the webbeans-wicket integration (already contained in the webbeans preview) that you would write your own? cheers, uwe. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:05 PM, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.comwrote: JSR-299 is somewhat of a moving target right now, so it's hard to stay up-to-date with it. I'm mainly working with the OpenWebBeans folks on it. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Joe Fawzy joewic...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:44 AM, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.comwrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.com wrote: you are free to implement this as an open source addition to wicket. there is wicketstuff or googlecode or sf.net where you can host it. wicket is a ui framework and conversational scope management falls outside wicket's scope. it is our job to provide the hooks to make such things possible, not to provide an implementation. And, those hooks are very nice. I would only ask for some more listener registering opportunities (like for listening to request cycle events like begin/end rather than having to implement your own request cycle). Yes this is a much needed functionality i think we may cooperate in that thing can u start another mail discussion suggesting ur needs , and make everyone participate Thanks Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Conversation scope in wicket
What is this 'conversation' all about? It doesn't seem to be a known concept in any GUI guideline I know (e.g. Apple's Human Interface Guidelines). Neither does wikipedia list it under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUI_widget. This is what wikipedia is saying about Seam's conversation: 'The default Seam context is conversation which can span multiple pages and usually spans the whole business flow, from start to finish.' This seems to describe a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_(software) . IMHO 'conversation' is a buzzword invented for those who still think a web UI consists of a sequence of HTML pages only. Back in 2000 the same guys invented 'mvc-2' and told us that a UI can be built on actions only. Just my rant (worth 2 cents or less). Back to Wicket and wizards: For a wizard I'd suggest to use a single Wicket page, replacing components as you step through it. Note that Wicket extensions provide a wizard component, but you can easily roll your own implementation. Sven Hican this functionality added to the standard wicket? actually much of seam popularity came from supporting conversation scope..., so i think that adding explicit wicket support will have momentum i think that having just a store for conversation objects will be a good begin then we may add apis like beginConversation, endConversation ,joinConversation,mergeConversation ,suspendConversation,resumeConversation and other concepts like workspace what do u think? Joe -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Conversation-scope-in-wicket-tp24078377p24088943.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Conversation scope in wicket
+1 that whole api like beginConversation, end etc just looks to me like set/get methods on session. Or and that is in my eyes better is to transport the conversation object (1 object not many) from 1 page to the next or use as below 1 page and just replace panels. And then the page model object is the conversation object johan On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:55, svenmeier s...@meiers.net wrote: What is this 'conversation' all about? It doesn't seem to be a known concept in any GUI guideline I know (e.g. Apple's Human Interface Guidelines). Neither does wikipedia list it under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUI_widget. This is what wikipedia is saying about Seam's conversation: 'The default Seam context is conversation which can span multiple pages and usually spans the whole business flow, from start to finish.' This seems to describe a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_(software) . IMHO 'conversation' is a buzzword invented for those who still think a web UI consists of a sequence of HTML pages only. Back in 2000 the same guys invented 'mvc-2' and told us that a UI can be built on actions only. Just my rant (worth 2 cents or less). Back to Wicket and wizards: For a wizard I'd suggest to use a single Wicket page, replacing components as you step through it. Note that Wicket extensions provide a wizard component, but you can easily roll your own implementation. Sven Hican this functionality added to the standard wicket? actually much of seam popularity came from supporting conversation scope..., so i think that adding explicit wicket support will have momentum i think that having just a store for conversation objects will be a good begin then we may add apis like beginConversation, endConversation ,joinConversation,mergeConversation ,suspendConversation,resumeConversation and other concepts like workspace what do u think? Joe -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Conversation-scope-in-wicket-tp24078377p24088943.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Conversation scope in wicket
+1 I fully agree. Conversation scope is a kludge for a broken model, and in the end nothing more than a specialized form of global variables. Just put your state into the appropriate page or component instances and/or models, and you get *any* scope you need, for free. Carl-Eric On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:55:26 -0700 (PDT) svenmeier s...@meiers.net wrote: What is this 'conversation' all about? It doesn't seem to be a known concept in any GUI guideline I know (e.g. Apple's Human Interface Guidelines). Neither does wikipedia list it under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUI_widget. This is what wikipedia is saying about Seam's conversation: 'The default Seam context is conversation which can span multiple pages and usually spans the whole business flow, from start to finish.' This seems to describe a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_(software) . IMHO 'conversation' is a buzzword invented for those who still think a web UI consists of a sequence of HTML pages only. Back in 2000 the same guys invented 'mvc-2' and told us that a UI can be built on actions only. Just my rant (worth 2 cents or less). Back to Wicket and wizards: For a wizard I'd suggest to use a single Wicket page, replacing components as you step through it. Note that Wicket extensions provide a wizard component, but you can easily roll your own implementation. Sven Hican this functionality added to the standard wicket? actually much of seam popularity came from supporting conversation scope..., so i think that adding explicit wicket support will have momentum i think that having just a store for conversation objects will be a good begin then we may add apis like beginConversation, endConversation ,joinConversation,mergeConversation ,suspendConversation,resumeConversation and other concepts like workspace what do u think? Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Conversation scope in wicket
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Carl-Eric Menzel cm.wic...@users.bitforce.com wrote: +1 I fully agree. Conversation scope is a kludge for a broken model, and in the end nothing more than a specialized form of global variables. To which model are you referring? Just put your state into the appropriate page or component instances and/or models, and you get *any* scope you need, for free. Your business logic might not know anything about page/component instances, but it may support conversations. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Conversation scope in wicket
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:21:36 -0400 James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: I fully agree. Conversation scope is a kludge for a broken model, and in the end nothing more than a specialized form of global variables. To which model are you referring? Not a model in the Wicket sense, but the model of application development where you throw everything into a big bag (e.g. the session, or any other such scope). Just put your state into the appropriate page or component instances and/or models, and you get *any* scope you need, for free. Your business logic might not know anything about page/component instances, but it may support conversations. Then you already have an object that your components can work on. Put that in a Wicket model and enjoy. My point is this: You either have existing business code that supports conversations - then you don't need Wicket conversations, you need to write your components so they work with the existing code's notion of a conversation. Or you don't have a business conversation, and the whole conversation thing is just something for UI workflow. Then you should not have it in the business code. Instead, write components and models so that they keep all the state they need for this conversation where they need it. I don't think there needs to be a special abstraction for this, you'd be much better off with keeping state as appropriate for your use case. I may have been unclear in my earlier message, does this make more sense? Carl-Eric - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Conversation scope in wicket
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Carl-Eric Menzel cm.wic...@users.bitforce.com wrote: Then you already have an object that your components can work on. Put that in a Wicket model and enjoy. My point is this: You either have existing business code that supports conversations - then you don't need Wicket conversations, you need to write your components so they work with the existing code's notion of a conversation. Wicket needs to understand when it needs to resume a previously-begun conversation. The business logic can't know that by itself. The UI has to provide a bit of help. Or you don't have a business conversation, and the whole conversation thing is just something for UI workflow. Then you should not have it in the business code. Instead, write components and models so that they keep all the state they need for this conversation where they need it. I don't think there needs to be a special abstraction for this, you'd be much better off with keeping state as appropriate for your use case. The idea of a conversation has been around for a long time. It's called a stateful session bean. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Conversation scope in wicket
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:10:33 -0400 James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Carl-Eric Menzel cm.wic...@users.bitforce.com wrote: Then you already have an object that your components can work on. Put that in a Wicket model and enjoy. My point is this: You either have existing business code that supports conversations - then you don't need Wicket conversations, you need to write your components so they work with the existing code's notion of a conversation. Wicket needs to understand when it needs to resume a previously-begun conversation. The business logic can't know that by itself. The UI has to provide a bit of help. Yes of course. That's what I meant by write your components so they work with your existing code. The idea of a conversation has been around for a long time. It's called a stateful session bean. You have a point there. But I think this is all provided by Wicket already - You have components and models that perfectly encapsulate all this. Basically this is about the lifecycle of the data needed for a unit of work from the user's point of view. If you have a flow of pages, or wizard steps, or whatever, you have a defined starting point where you can, for example, create a model. And then you go to the next step and pass this model along. Once you're finished, you just drop the references. Or am I missing something here? Carl-Eric - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Conversation scope in wicket
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Carl-Eric Menzel cm.wic...@users.bitforce.com wrote: The idea of a conversation has been around for a long time. It's called a stateful session bean. You have a point there. But I think this is all provided by Wicket already - You have components and models that perfectly encapsulate all this. Basically this is about the lifecycle of the data needed for a unit of work from the user's point of view. If you have a flow of pages, or wizard steps, or whatever, you have a defined starting point where you can, for example, create a model. And then you go to the next step and pass this model along. Once you're finished, you just drop the references. Or am I missing something here? Yes, Wicket does have great support for stateful programming. That's why I love Wicket! However, if I can run Wicket inside a container that supports JSR-299 and I can have my web beans injected into my Wicket components/pages as proxies so that I'm always talking to the right bean at the right time and I don't have to worry about all that state crap (at least in the web tier), then I think that's a big win. Carl-Eric - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Conversation scope in wicket
Hi alli am working on a prototype which i think will convince you that
conversation is an important concept, it is very onject oriented as wicket
is and has many use cases
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.comwrote:
you are free to implement this as an open source addition to wicket.
there is wicketstuff or googlecode or sf.net where you can host it.
wicket is a ui framework and conversational scope management falls
outside wicket's scope. it is our job to provide the hooks to make
such things possible, not to provide an implementation.
yes, u r right, wicket can'nt be everything for everyone ,but the question
is how much this hook thing is the responsibility of wicket
do you really think wicket is only ui framework?with no scopes so why u
support sessions? conversation is much like sessions, it is just narrowwer
Thanks
Joe
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com wrote:
Hiyou mean: injecting webbeans conversation component in wicket component
at
construction time
this is only what we can achieve with webbeans, as wicket component
cannot
be webbeans components (wicket is unmanaged framework)
my idea is about native conversation support, which enable wicket
component
to be the component and the target for injection in a natural wicket way
beside, why depending on external project when we have all the
functionality
we need as wicket is stateful and each pagemap is a conversation(long one
which may be easily break down to smaller pieces)
Joe
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:22 AM, James Carman
jcar...@carmanconsulting.comwrote:
There are a few folks working on implementing JSR-299 support for
Wicket,
which would provide support for conversation-scoped beans. I'm working
on
one currently and I believe that the jboss folks have one working too.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Joe Fawzy joewic...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hican this functionality added to the standard wicket?
actually much of seam popularity came from supporting conversation
scope...,
so i think that adding explicit wicket support will have momentum
i think that having just a store for conversation objects will be a
good
begin
then we may add apis like beginConversation, endConversation
,joinConversation,mergeConversation
,suspendConversation,resumeConversation
and other concepts like workspace
what do u think?
Joe
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Igor Vaynberg
igor.vaynb...@gmail.com
wrote:
only time will tell
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com
wrote:
thanks dearwill wicket continue to support pageMap beyond 1.4 or
it
is
now a
deprecated feature?
thanks
Joe
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Igor Vaynberg
igor.vaynb...@gmail.com
wrote:
if the scope of your conversation is a browser window then its
the
best
choice.
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi dearthanks for the reply and for the code snippet
But, do u think that using pageMap is reliable or what
i mean , is using pageMap is a good solution or just a hack,
work
around
thanks
Joe
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Igor Vaynberg
igor.vaynb...@gmail.com
wrote:
class mysession extends websesison {
private mapstring, mapobject,object coversations;
public mapobject,object getconversation(ipagemap pmap) {
return conversations.get(pmap.getid());
}
}
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Joe Fawzy
joewic...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi alli need to implement something like a conversation
scope
in
wicket
i know that wicket is stateful by default and i can pass
object
o
from
page
A - page B
But if Object o in page A which - page B - page C - page
D
-
page
E
and i need Object o in page E ,that will be very tedious to
pass
o
all
throught the way from A ..E
also if i need to pass a large number of objects between a
set
of
pages
,this will be a nightmare
so How can i implement a Conversation object ala Session and
store
these
objects there
i thought of using the IPageMap as a key in this situation
as
it
represent
an open browser window or tab ie. conversation, but in a
previous
mail
,i
've been tald that it cannot be extended easily, and i
cannot
provide
my
own
factory for one
so, any ideas about the conversation scope?
what do u think about the pageMap ? will it work? is it
reliable?
can the core team provide some hooks to implement something
like
IPageMapFactory
Re: Conversation scope in wicket
Hi all On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:44 AM, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.comwrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.com wrote: you are free to implement this as an open source addition to wicket. there is wicketstuff or googlecode or sf.net where you can host it. wicket is a ui framework and conversational scope management falls outside wicket's scope. it is our job to provide the hooks to make such things possible, not to provide an implementation. And, those hooks are very nice. I would only ask for some more listener registering opportunities (like for listening to request cycle events like begin/end rather than having to implement your own request cycle). Yes this is a much needed functionality i think we may cooperate in that thing can u start another mail discussion suggesting ur needs , and make everyone participate Thanks Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Conversation scope in wicket
JSR-299 is somewhat of a moving target right now, so it's hard to stay up-to-date with it. I'm mainly working with the OpenWebBeans folks on it. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Joe Fawzy joewic...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:44 AM, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.comwrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.com wrote: you are free to implement this as an open source addition to wicket. there is wicketstuff or googlecode or sf.net where you can host it. wicket is a ui framework and conversational scope management falls outside wicket's scope. it is our job to provide the hooks to make such things possible, not to provide an implementation. And, those hooks are very nice. I would only ask for some more listener registering opportunities (like for listening to request cycle events like begin/end rather than having to implement your own request cycle). Yes this is a much needed functionality i think we may cooperate in that thing can u start another mail discussion suggesting ur needs , and make everyone participate Thanks Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Conversation scope in wicket
Hi Igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.comwrote:
class mysession extends websesison {
private mapstring, mapobject,object coversations;
public mapobject,object getconversation(ipagemap pmap) {
return conversations.get(pmap.getid());
}
}
in your last code line , do you mean pmap.getName() instead of pmap.getId()
as i cannot find a public getId() in ipagemap
thanks
Joe
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi alli need to implement something like a conversation scope in wicket
i know that wicket is stateful by default and i can pass object o from
page
A - page B
But if Object o in page A which - page B - page C - page D - page E
and i need Object o in page E ,that will be very tedious to pass o all
throught the way from A ..E
also if i need to pass a large number of objects between a set of pages
,this will be a nightmare
so How can i implement a Conversation object ala Session and store these
objects there
i thought of using the IPageMap as a key in this situation as it
represent
an open browser window or tab ie. conversation, but in a previous mail ,i
've been tald that it cannot be extended easily, and i cannot provide my
own
factory for one
so, any ideas about the conversation scope?
what do u think about the pageMap ? will it work? is it reliable?
can the core team provide some hooks to implement something like
IPageMapFactory?
thanks
Joe
-
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Conversation scope in wicket
Hi alli need to implement something like a conversation scope in wicket i know that wicket is stateful by default and i can pass object o from page A - page B But if Object o in page A which - page B - page C - page D - page E and i need Object o in page E ,that will be very tedious to pass o all throught the way from A ..E also if i need to pass a large number of objects between a set of pages ,this will be a nightmare so How can i implement a Conversation object ala Session and store these objects there i thought of using the IPageMap as a key in this situation as it represent an open browser window or tab ie. conversation, but in a previous mail ,i 've been tald that it cannot be extended easily, and i cannot provide my own factory for one so, any ideas about the conversation scope? what do u think about the pageMap ? will it work? is it reliable? can the core team provide some hooks to implement something like IPageMapFactory? thanks Joe
Re: Conversation scope in wicket
class mysession extends websesison {
private mapstring, mapobject,object coversations;
public mapobject,object getconversation(ipagemap pmap) {
return conversations.get(pmap.getid());
}
}
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi alli need to implement something like a conversation scope in wicket
i know that wicket is stateful by default and i can pass object o from page
A - page B
But if Object o in page A which - page B - page C - page D - page E
and i need Object o in page E ,that will be very tedious to pass o all
throught the way from A ..E
also if i need to pass a large number of objects between a set of pages
,this will be a nightmare
so How can i implement a Conversation object ala Session and store these
objects there
i thought of using the IPageMap as a key in this situation as it represent
an open browser window or tab ie. conversation, but in a previous mail ,i
've been tald that it cannot be extended easily, and i cannot provide my own
factory for one
so, any ideas about the conversation scope?
what do u think about the pageMap ? will it work? is it reliable?
can the core team provide some hooks to implement something like
IPageMapFactory?
thanks
Joe
-
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Re: Conversation scope in wicket
Hi dearthanks for the reply and for the code snippet
But, do u think that using pageMap is reliable or what
i mean , is using pageMap is a good solution or just a hack, work around
thanks
Joe
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.comwrote:
class mysession extends websesison {
private mapstring, mapobject,object coversations;
public mapobject,object getconversation(ipagemap pmap) {
return conversations.get(pmap.getid());
}
}
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi alli need to implement something like a conversation scope in wicket
i know that wicket is stateful by default and i can pass object o from
page
A - page B
But if Object o in page A which - page B - page C - page D - page E
and i need Object o in page E ,that will be very tedious to pass o all
throught the way from A ..E
also if i need to pass a large number of objects between a set of pages
,this will be a nightmare
so How can i implement a Conversation object ala Session and store these
objects there
i thought of using the IPageMap as a key in this situation as it
represent
an open browser window or tab ie. conversation, but in a previous mail ,i
've been tald that it cannot be extended easily, and i cannot provide my
own
factory for one
so, any ideas about the conversation scope?
what do u think about the pageMap ? will it work? is it reliable?
can the core team provide some hooks to implement something like
IPageMapFactory?
thanks
Joe
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Re: Conversation scope in wicket
if the scope of your conversation is a browser window then its the best choice.
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi dearthanks for the reply and for the code snippet
But, do u think that using pageMap is reliable or what
i mean , is using pageMap is a good solution or just a hack, work around
thanks
Joe
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.comwrote:
class mysession extends websesison {
private mapstring, mapobject,object coversations;
public mapobject,object getconversation(ipagemap pmap) {
return conversations.get(pmap.getid());
}
}
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi alli need to implement something like a conversation scope in wicket
i know that wicket is stateful by default and i can pass object o from
page
A - page B
But if Object o in page A which - page B - page C - page D - page E
and i need Object o in page E ,that will be very tedious to pass o all
throught the way from A ..E
also if i need to pass a large number of objects between a set of pages
,this will be a nightmare
so How can i implement a Conversation object ala Session and store these
objects there
i thought of using the IPageMap as a key in this situation as it
represent
an open browser window or tab ie. conversation, but in a previous mail ,i
've been tald that it cannot be extended easily, and i cannot provide my
own
factory for one
so, any ideas about the conversation scope?
what do u think about the pageMap ? will it work? is it reliable?
can the core team provide some hooks to implement something like
IPageMapFactory?
thanks
Joe
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Re: Conversation scope in wicket
thanks dearwill wicket continue to support pageMap beyond 1.4 or it is now a
deprecated feature?
thanks
Joe
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.comwrote:
if the scope of your conversation is a browser window then its the best
choice.
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi dearthanks for the reply and for the code snippet
But, do u think that using pageMap is reliable or what
i mean , is using pageMap is a good solution or just a hack, work around
thanks
Joe
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.com
wrote:
class mysession extends websesison {
private mapstring, mapobject,object coversations;
public mapobject,object getconversation(ipagemap pmap) {
return conversations.get(pmap.getid());
}
}
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi alli need to implement something like a conversation scope in
wicket
i know that wicket is stateful by default and i can pass object o from
page
A - page B
But if Object o in page A which - page B - page C - page D - page
E
and i need Object o in page E ,that will be very tedious to pass o all
throught the way from A ..E
also if i need to pass a large number of objects between a set of
pages
,this will be a nightmare
so How can i implement a Conversation object ala Session and store
these
objects there
i thought of using the IPageMap as a key in this situation as it
represent
an open browser window or tab ie. conversation, but in a previous mail
,i
've been tald that it cannot be extended easily, and i cannot provide
my
own
factory for one
so, any ideas about the conversation scope?
what do u think about the pageMap ? will it work? is it reliable?
can the core team provide some hooks to implement something like
IPageMapFactory?
thanks
Joe
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Re: Conversation scope in wicket
only time will tell
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com wrote:
thanks dearwill wicket continue to support pageMap beyond 1.4 or it is now a
deprecated feature?
thanks
Joe
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.comwrote:
if the scope of your conversation is a browser window then its the best
choice.
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi dearthanks for the reply and for the code snippet
But, do u think that using pageMap is reliable or what
i mean , is using pageMap is a good solution or just a hack, work around
thanks
Joe
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.com
wrote:
class mysession extends websesison {
private mapstring, mapobject,object coversations;
public mapobject,object getconversation(ipagemap pmap) {
return conversations.get(pmap.getid());
}
}
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi alli need to implement something like a conversation scope in
wicket
i know that wicket is stateful by default and i can pass object o from
page
A - page B
But if Object o in page A which - page B - page C - page D - page
E
and i need Object o in page E ,that will be very tedious to pass o all
throught the way from A ..E
also if i need to pass a large number of objects between a set of
pages
,this will be a nightmare
so How can i implement a Conversation object ala Session and store
these
objects there
i thought of using the IPageMap as a key in this situation as it
represent
an open browser window or tab ie. conversation, but in a previous mail
,i
've been tald that it cannot be extended easily, and i cannot provide
my
own
factory for one
so, any ideas about the conversation scope?
what do u think about the pageMap ? will it work? is it reliable?
can the core team provide some hooks to implement something like
IPageMapFactory?
thanks
Joe
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Re: Conversation scope in wicket
Hican this functionality added to the standard wicket?
actually much of seam popularity came from supporting conversation scope...,
so i think that adding explicit wicket support will have momentum
i think that having just a store for conversation objects will be a good
begin
then we may add apis like beginConversation, endConversation
,joinConversation,mergeConversation ,suspendConversation,resumeConversation
and other concepts like workspace
what do u think?
Joe
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.comwrote:
only time will tell
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com wrote:
thanks dearwill wicket continue to support pageMap beyond 1.4 or it is
now a
deprecated feature?
thanks
Joe
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.com
wrote:
if the scope of your conversation is a browser window then its the best
choice.
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi dearthanks for the reply and for the code snippet
But, do u think that using pageMap is reliable or what
i mean , is using pageMap is a good solution or just a hack, work
around
thanks
Joe
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Igor Vaynberg
igor.vaynb...@gmail.com
wrote:
class mysession extends websesison {
private mapstring, mapobject,object coversations;
public mapobject,object getconversation(ipagemap pmap) {
return conversations.get(pmap.getid());
}
}
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi alli need to implement something like a conversation scope in
wicket
i know that wicket is stateful by default and i can pass object o
from
page
A - page B
But if Object o in page A which - page B - page C - page D -
page
E
and i need Object o in page E ,that will be very tedious to pass o
all
throught the way from A ..E
also if i need to pass a large number of objects between a set of
pages
,this will be a nightmare
so How can i implement a Conversation object ala Session and store
these
objects there
i thought of using the IPageMap as a key in this situation as it
represent
an open browser window or tab ie. conversation, but in a previous
mail
,i
've been tald that it cannot be extended easily, and i cannot
provide
my
own
factory for one
so, any ideas about the conversation scope?
what do u think about the pageMap ? will it work? is it reliable?
can the core team provide some hooks to implement something like
IPageMapFactory?
thanks
Joe
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Re: Conversation scope in wicket
There are a few folks working on implementing JSR-299 support for Wicket,
which would provide support for conversation-scoped beans. I'm working on
one currently and I believe that the jboss folks have one working too.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Joe Fawzy joewic...@gmail.com wrote:
Hican this functionality added to the standard wicket?
actually much of seam popularity came from supporting conversation
scope...,
so i think that adding explicit wicket support will have momentum
i think that having just a store for conversation objects will be a good
begin
then we may add apis like beginConversation, endConversation
,joinConversation,mergeConversation ,suspendConversation,resumeConversation
and other concepts like workspace
what do u think?
Joe
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.com
wrote:
only time will tell
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com wrote:
thanks dearwill wicket continue to support pageMap beyond 1.4 or it is
now a
deprecated feature?
thanks
Joe
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Igor Vaynberg
igor.vaynb...@gmail.com
wrote:
if the scope of your conversation is a browser window then its the
best
choice.
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi dearthanks for the reply and for the code snippet
But, do u think that using pageMap is reliable or what
i mean , is using pageMap is a good solution or just a hack, work
around
thanks
Joe
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Igor Vaynberg
igor.vaynb...@gmail.com
wrote:
class mysession extends websesison {
private mapstring, mapobject,object coversations;
public mapobject,object getconversation(ipagemap pmap) {
return conversations.get(pmap.getid());
}
}
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi alli need to implement something like a conversation scope in
wicket
i know that wicket is stateful by default and i can pass object o
from
page
A - page B
But if Object o in page A which - page B - page C - page D -
page
E
and i need Object o in page E ,that will be very tedious to pass
o
all
throught the way from A ..E
also if i need to pass a large number of objects between a set of
pages
,this will be a nightmare
so How can i implement a Conversation object ala Session and
store
these
objects there
i thought of using the IPageMap as a key in this situation as it
represent
an open browser window or tab ie. conversation, but in a previous
mail
,i
've been tald that it cannot be extended easily, and i cannot
provide
my
own
factory for one
so, any ideas about the conversation scope?
what do u think about the pageMap ? will it work? is it reliable?
can the core team provide some hooks to implement something like
IPageMapFactory?
thanks
Joe
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Re: Conversation scope in wicket
you are free to implement this as an open source addition to wicket.
there is wicketstuff or googlecode or sf.net where you can host it.
wicket is a ui framework and conversational scope management falls
outside wicket's scope. it is our job to provide the hooks to make
such things possible, not to provide an implementation.
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com wrote:
Hiyou mean: injecting webbeans conversation component in wicket component at
construction time
this is only what we can achieve with webbeans, as wicket component cannot
be webbeans components (wicket is unmanaged framework)
my idea is about native conversation support, which enable wicket component
to be the component and the target for injection in a natural wicket way
beside, why depending on external project when we have all the functionality
we need as wicket is stateful and each pagemap is a conversation(long one
which may be easily break down to smaller pieces)
Joe
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:22 AM, James Carman
jcar...@carmanconsulting.comwrote:
There are a few folks working on implementing JSR-299 support for Wicket,
which would provide support for conversation-scoped beans. I'm working on
one currently and I believe that the jboss folks have one working too.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Joe Fawzy joewic...@gmail.com wrote:
Hican this functionality added to the standard wicket?
actually much of seam popularity came from supporting conversation
scope...,
so i think that adding explicit wicket support will have momentum
i think that having just a store for conversation objects will be a good
begin
then we may add apis like beginConversation, endConversation
,joinConversation,mergeConversation
,suspendConversation,resumeConversation
and other concepts like workspace
what do u think?
Joe
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.com
wrote:
only time will tell
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com
wrote:
thanks dearwill wicket continue to support pageMap beyond 1.4 or it
is
now a
deprecated feature?
thanks
Joe
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Igor Vaynberg
igor.vaynb...@gmail.com
wrote:
if the scope of your conversation is a browser window then its the
best
choice.
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi dearthanks for the reply and for the code snippet
But, do u think that using pageMap is reliable or what
i mean , is using pageMap is a good solution or just a hack, work
around
thanks
Joe
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Igor Vaynberg
igor.vaynb...@gmail.com
wrote:
class mysession extends websesison {
private mapstring, mapobject,object coversations;
public mapobject,object getconversation(ipagemap pmap) {
return conversations.get(pmap.getid());
}
}
-igor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Joe Fawzyjoewic...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi alli need to implement something like a conversation scope
in
wicket
i know that wicket is stateful by default and i can pass object
o
from
page
A - page B
But if Object o in page A which - page B - page C - page D
-
page
E
and i need Object o in page E ,that will be very tedious to
pass
o
all
throught the way from A ..E
also if i need to pass a large number of objects between a set
of
pages
,this will be a nightmare
so How can i implement a Conversation object ala Session and
store
these
objects there
i thought of using the IPageMap as a key in this situation as
it
represent
an open browser window or tab ie. conversation, but in a
previous
mail
,i
've been tald that it cannot be extended easily, and i cannot
provide
my
own
factory for one
so, any ideas about the conversation scope?
what do u think about the pageMap ? will it work? is it
reliable?
can the core team provide some hooks to implement something
like
IPageMapFactory?
thanks
Joe
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Re: Conversation scope in wicket
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.com wrote: you are free to implement this as an open source addition to wicket. there is wicketstuff or googlecode or sf.net where you can host it. wicket is a ui framework and conversational scope management falls outside wicket's scope. it is our job to provide the hooks to make such things possible, not to provide an implementation. And, those hooks are very nice. I would only ask for some more listener registering opportunities (like for listening to request cycle events like begin/end rather than having to implement your own request cycle). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Conversation scope in wicket
jira it up. -igor On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:44 PM, James Carmanjcar...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Igor Vaynberg igor.vaynb...@gmail.com wrote: you are free to implement this as an open source addition to wicket. there is wicketstuff or googlecode or sf.net where you can host it. wicket is a ui framework and conversational scope management falls outside wicket's scope. it is our job to provide the hooks to make such things possible, not to provide an implementation. And, those hooks are very nice. I would only ask for some more listener registering opportunities (like for listening to request cycle events like begin/end rather than having to implement your own request cycle). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
