[USMA:52459] RE: Ferrari Introduces world's fastest road car at Geneva
Alot of US media coverage of this car seem to forget the LaFerrari was designed, and tested in only SI units. They refer to the length and weight of the car in ye olde English units but no metric units are even mentioned. br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone
[USMA:52460] Re: Reuse of Word
my suggestion is decimal system of measurements Natalie From: Paul Trusten trus...@grandecom.net To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: [USMA:52458] Re: Reuse of Word You sure have identified a major public relations problem for us Bruce. I hate and love to say this in response, but metric system is a very identifiable phrase in the American language. Not necessarily to our advantage, though: too often, metric system is used in anger. But, unlike the concocters of buzz word makers, I don't think we should back down and join the parade of circumlocution. Perhaps one solution is to add to the phrase by saying metric system of measurement or International System of Units. Paul - Original Message - From: a-bruie...@lycos.com To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu Sent: 2013-03-07 09:26 Subject: [USMA:52457] Reuse of Word I know in American language, we like to make the same words to have different meanings or to use as noun, verb, or adjective, but it really irritates me when they (particular the finance industry) uses 'metric' in replace for the word 'measurement'. Obviously, 'metric' has been in our vocabulary for over hundred of years, but when did they start using it as a replacement? Maybe we should not call it the 'Metric System'. Bruce E. Arkwright, Jr Erie PA Linux and Metric User and Enforcer I will only invest in nukes that are 150 gigameters away. How much solar energy have you collected today? Id put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we dont have to wait til oil and coal run out before we tackle that. I wish I had a few more years left. -- Thomas Edison♽☯♑
[USMA:52461] Re: Reuse of Word
I like your suggestion, Natalie: Decimal System of Measurements as an equivalent substitute for metric system of measurements, a substitute for International System of Units, and as a substitute for SI Units of Measurements with the objective of increasing more-friendly perceptions of metrication and SI by the general public. I would further suggest that we introduce the phrase non-decimal-non-system of units for use of units outside SI. Eugene Mechtly From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [owner-u...@colostate.edu] on behalf of Natalia Permiakova [np...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:52 AM To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:52460] Re: Reuse of Word my suggestion is decimal system of measurements Natalie From: Paul Trusten trus...@grandecom.net To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: [USMA:52458] Re: Reuse of Word You sure have identified a major public relations problem for us Bruce. I hate and love to say this in response, but metric system is a very identifiable phrase in the American language. Not necessarily to our advantage, though: too often, metric system is used in anger. But, unlike the concocters of buzz word makers, I don't think we should back down and join the parade of circumlocution. Perhaps one solution is to add to the phrase by saying metric system of measurement or International System of Units. Paul - Original Message - From: a-bruie...@lycos.commailto:a-bruie...@lycos.com To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edumailto:usma@colostate.edu Sent: 2013-03-07 09:26 Subject: [USMA:52457] Reuse of Word I know in American language, we like to make the same words to have different meanings or to use as noun, verb, or adjective, but it really irritates me when they (particular the finance industry) uses 'metric' in replace for the word 'measurement'. Obviously, 'metric' has been in our vocabulary for over hundred of years, but when did they start using it as a replacement? Maybe we should not call it the 'Metric System'. Bruce E. Arkwright, Jr Erie PA Linux and Metric User and Enforcer I will only invest in nukes that are 150 gigameters away. How much solar energy have you collected today? Id put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we dont have to wait til oil and coal run out before we tackle that. I wish I had a few more years left. -- Thomas Edison♽☯♑
[USMA:52462] RE: ACWM
Thanks to m. f. Moon for digging out the names of ACWM participants. What can we do to discredit the ACWM opposition to metrication? Eugene Mechtly From: Kilopascal [kilopas...@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 6:02 PM To: m. f. moon Cc: Trusten Paul; Mechtly Gene Subject: Re: ACWM Thanks Mr Moon for this info. They may be all hot air, but the USMA shouldn't take the chance. If we try to convince people to go metric, we can't afford to have them work against us. But it is good to know these facts because we can work it into our favour. Here is what I could find on Seaver W Leslie, he is 66 http://www.whitepages.com/name/Seaver-W-Leslie/Wiscasset-ME/7w60qkm http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/people-search/names/me+brunswick/seaver/leslie.html?adID=204-06 White pages says he lives in Wiscasset and Zabasearch says Brunswick. The two towns are 30 km apart. There are two listing for Peter J Seymour, which indicates about 5 years ago he moved from Randolph, ME to Portland. He is 59. http://www.whitepages.com/name/peter-seymour/Wiscasset-ME Take Care From: m. f. moonmailto:jayhawk...@usa.net Sent: Sunday, 2013-03-03 13:51 To: Kilopascalmailto:kilopas...@cox.net Subject: Re: ACWM The little town in Maine where ACWM is said to be located is of about 1000 people with a per household medium income of about $21000. This is about one-half of the national medium income. In other words, it appear to be a less than well-educated population. Consider the sources. People from these towns are opposed to many different things. In my own home-town many of the residents do not understand where their own social security income comes from -- it just appears in their bank account by magic. They believe that social security should be eliminated for example. m moon -- Original Message -- Received: 10:10 AM PST, 03/03/2013 From: Kilopascal kilopas...@cox.net To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu Subject: Re: ACWM Gene, I don't know how possible it is. All their replies to the BWMA and UKMA Facebook page all are from the ACWM and no person's name is ever mentioned. I never can tell if the posts are by one person or more. You can scan through their posts here and hopefully you may find a clue: https://www.facebook.com/British.Weights.and.Measures.Association They do have their own Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/ACWMeas/info Their Facebook page has very little visits and most posts come from pro-metrics, which they tend to delete. I believe most of their claims to be wishful thinking or an exaggeration of something minor and obscure. Three names are present there. See below. About Americans (and friends) who wish to promote an organized resistance to forced metric conversion in the United States of America Mission Americans (and friends) who wish to promote an organised resistance to forced metric conversion in the United States of America General Information President Founder: Seaver Leslie Director of Research: Peter Seymour Metrologist: Bob Falk Americans for Customary Weight Measure, P.O. Box 248 Wiscasset, Maine 04578 United States of America If the USMA is to be effective they need to constantly observe what the enemy is doing otherwise no matter how small and irrelevant they are, they have the power to undo any thing we are trying to accomplish. From: mechtly, eugene amailto:mech...@illinois.edu Sent: Sunday, 2013-03-03 12:52 To: Kilopascalmailto:kilopas...@cox.net ; U.S. Metric Associationmailto:usma@colostate.edu Cc: mechtly, eugene amailto:mech...@illinois.edu Subject: RE: ACWM Thanks Kilopascal, for the verbatim quotation (below) of the ACWM *irrational* policy, posted by the bWMA. I had never seen it before. Can we find the name of the author and names of the ACWM officers? Eugene Mechtly From: Kilopascal [kilopas...@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 11:07 AM To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: ACWM USMA, this what you are up against in your fight to metricate the US: This is a statement from the ACWM posted to the bWMA Facebook page. We are committed to diversity and culture, not a cold scientific mandate dominating the rule of law. USC are a part of our past, they remain in the present, and we are committed to ensuring their future, whether that means educating the population on our wonderful system and why it is designed the way it is, launching petitions and campaigns to counteract any attacks on the continued legality and existence of our system, or even taking to the streets to halt the attempts to metricate or alter our national heritage and infrastructure. Thankfully, we haven't had to take to the streets to prevent illegal roadsigns, our regulators have figured out that metric signs aren't used and have removed them as they wear out on the only interstate to use that signage, in New Mexico or Arizona. In the '70s, when your
[USMA:52463] RE: ACWM
We don't really want to discredit anyone. We want the metric system to win on its own merits, which it will do. From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of mechtly, eugene a Sent: Thursday, 07 March 2013 11:46 To: U.S. Metric Association Cc: Trusten Paul; U.S. Metric Accociation Subject: [USMA:52462] RE: ACWM Thanks to m. f. Moon for digging out the names of ACWM participants. What can we do to discredit the ACWM opposition to metrication? Eugene Mechtly From: Kilopascal [kilopas...@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 6:02 PM To: m. f. moon Cc: Trusten Paul; Mechtly Gene Subject: Re: ACWM Thanks Mr Moon for this info. They may be all hot air, but the USMA shouldn't take the chance. If we try to convince people to go metric, we can't afford to have them work against us. But it is good to know these facts because we can work it into our favour. Here is what I could find on Seaver W Leslie, he is 66 http://www.whitepages.com/name/Seaver-W-Leslie/Wiscasset-ME/7w60qkm http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/people-search/names/me+brunswick/seaver/leslie.html?adID=204-06 White pages says he lives in Wiscasset and Zabasearch says Brunswick. The two towns are 30 km apart. There are two listing for Peter J Seymour, which indicates about 5 years ago he moved from Randolph, ME to Portland. He is 59. http://www.whitepages.com/name/peter-seymour/Wiscasset-ME Take Care From: m. f. moonmailto:jayhawk...@usa.net Sent: Sunday, 2013-03-03 13:51 To: Kilopascalmailto:kilopas...@cox.net Subject: Re: ACWM The little town in Maine where ACWM is said to be located is of about 1000 people with a per household medium income of about $21000. This is about one-half of the national medium income. In other words, it appear to be a less than well-educated population. Consider the sources. People from these towns are opposed to many different things. In my own home-town many of the residents do not understand where their own social security income comes from -- it just appears in their bank account by magic. They believe that social security should be eliminated for example. m moon -- Original Message -- Received: 10:10 AM PST, 03/03/2013 From: Kilopascal kilopas...@cox.netmailto:kilopas...@cox.net To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edumailto:usma@colostate.edu Subject: Re: ACWM Gene, I don't know how possible it is. All their replies to the BWMA and UKMA Facebook page all are from the ACWM and no person's name is ever mentioned. I never can tell if the posts are by one person or more. You can scan through their posts here and hopefully you may find a clue: https://www.facebook.com/British.Weights.and.Measures.Association They do have their own Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/ACWMeas/info Their Facebook page has very little visits and most posts come from pro-metrics, which they tend to delete. I believe most of their claims to be wishful thinking or an exaggeration of something minor and obscure. Three names are present there. See below. About Americans (and friends) who wish to promote an organized resistance to forced metric conversion in the United States of America Mission Americans (and friends) who wish to promote an organised resistance to forced metric conversion in the United States of America General Information President Founder: Seaver Leslie Director of Research: Peter Seymour Metrologist: Bob Falk Americans for Customary Weight Measure, P.O. Box 248 Wiscasset, Maine 04578 United States of America If the USMA is to be effective they need to constantly observe what the enemy is doing otherwise no matter how small and irrelevant they are, they have the power to undo any thing we are trying to accomplish. From: mechtly, eugene amailto:mech...@illinois.edu Sent: Sunday, 2013-03-03 12:52 To: Kilopascalmailto:kilopas...@cox.net ; U.S. Metric Associationmailto:usma@colostate.edu Cc: mechtly, eugene amailto:mech...@illinois.edu Subject: RE: ACWM Thanks Kilopascal, for the verbatim quotation (below) of the ACWM *irrational* policy, posted by the bWMA. I had never seen it before. Can we find the name of the author and names of the ACWM officers? Eugene Mechtly From: Kilopascal [kilopas...@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 11:07 AM To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: ACWM USMA, this what you are up against in your fight to metricate the US: This is a statement from the ACWM posted to the bWMA Facebook page. We are committed to diversity and culture, not a cold scientific mandate dominating the rule of law. USC are a part of our past, they remain in the present, and we are committed to ensuring their future, whether that means educating the population on our wonderful system and why it is designed the way it is, launching petitions and campaigns to counteract any attacks on the continued legality and existence of our system, or
[USMA:52464] Re: Use of the Word Metric
Re: [USMA:52457] Reuse of Word An interesting point. The venerable Webster's Unabridged Second Edition, which is still used by careful writers, does not list metric as a noun. The Third Edition does, so the word gained recognition after 1960. Accurate writers now use SI Metric to designate the Modern Metric System. The usage that really bugs me is the run-away usage of vouns, that is, verbs used as nouns. We are commonly hearing now, except from the most careful broadcasters, the sequester instead of the sequestration. We have long heard in recent decades about doing an install instead of an installation. This confusing peculiarity of English works the other way too. For example, some would mustard their hot dog, using the noun as a verb.
[USMA:52466] RE: ACWM
Understood, Don! SI is certain to prevail in the long run by its inherent advantages, and ACWM policies will discredit themselves through failure by rejection over time by world standards for international trade and commerce. Eugene Mechtly From: Hillger,Donald [don.hill...@colostate.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:24 PM To: mechtly, eugene a; U.S. Metric Association Cc: Trusten Paul Subject: RE: ACWM We don’t really want to discredit anyone. We want the metric system to win on its own merits, which it will do. From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of mechtly, eugene a Sent: Thursday, 07 March 2013 11:46 To: U.S. Metric Association Cc: Trusten Paul; U.S. Metric Accociation Subject: [USMA:52462] RE: ACWM Thanks to m. f. Moon for digging out the names of ACWM participants. What can we do to discredit the ACWM opposition to metrication? Eugene Mechtly From: Kilopascal [kilopas...@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 6:02 PM To: m. f. moon Cc: Trusten Paul; Mechtly Gene Subject: Re: ACWM Thanks Mr Moon for this info. They may be all hot air, but the USMA shouldn't take the chance. If we try to convince people to go metric, we can't afford to have them work against us. But it is good to know these facts because we can work it into our favour. Here is what I could find on Seaver W Leslie, he is 66 http://www.whitepages.com/name/Seaver-W-Leslie/Wiscasset-ME/7w60qkm http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/people-search/names/me+brunswick/seaver/leslie.html?adID=204-06 White pages says he lives in Wiscasset and Zabasearch says Brunswick. The two towns are 30 km apart. There are two listing for Peter J Seymour, which indicates about 5 years ago he moved from Randolph, ME to Portland. He is 59. http://www.whitepages.com/name/peter-seymour/Wiscasset-ME Take Care From: m. f. moonmailto:jayhawk...@usa.net Sent: Sunday, 2013-03-03 13:51 To: Kilopascalmailto:kilopas...@cox.net Subject: Re: ACWM The little town in Maine where ACWM is said to be located is of about 1000 people with a per household medium income of about $21000. This is about one-half of the national medium income. In other words, it appear to be a less than well-educated population. Consider the sources. People from these towns are opposed to many different things. In my own home-town many of the residents do not understand where their own social security income comes from -- it just appears in their bank account by magic. They believe that social security should be eliminated for example. m moon -- Original Message -- Received: 10:10 AM PST, 03/03/2013 From: Kilopascal kilopas...@cox.netmailto:kilopas...@cox.net To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edumailto:usma@colostate.edu Subject: Re: ACWM Gene, I don't know how possible it is. All their replies to the BWMA and UKMA Facebook page all are from the ACWM and no person's name is ever mentioned. I never can tell if the posts are by one person or more. You can scan through their posts here and hopefully you may find a clue: https://www.facebook.com/British.Weights.and.Measures.Association They do have their own Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/ACWMeas/info Their Facebook page has very little visits and most posts come from pro-metrics, which they tend to delete. I believe most of their claims to be wishful thinking or an exaggeration of something minor and obscure. Three names are present there. See below. About Americans (and friends) who wish to promote an organized resistance to forced metric conversion in the United States of America Mission Americans (and friends) who wish to promote an organised resistance to forced metric conversion in the United States of America General Information President Founder: Seaver Leslie Director of Research: Peter Seymour Metrologist: Bob Falk Americans for Customary Weight Measure, P.O. Box 248 Wiscasset, Maine 04578 United States of America If the USMA is to be effective they need to constantly observe what the enemy is doing otherwise no matter how small and irrelevant they are, they have the power to undo any thing we are trying to accomplish. From: mechtly, eugene amailto:mech...@illinois.edu Sent: Sunday, 2013-03-03 12:52 To: Kilopascalmailto:kilopas...@cox.net ; U.S. Metric Associationmailto:usma@colostate.edu Cc: mechtly, eugene amailto:mech...@illinois.edu Subject: RE: ACWM Thanks Kilopascal, for the verbatim quotation (below) of the ACWM *irrational* policy, posted by the bWMA. I had never seen it before. Can we find the name of the author and names of the ACWM officers? Eugene Mechtly From: Kilopascal [kilopas...@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 11:07 AM To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: ACWM USMA, this what you are up against in your fight to metricate the US: This is a statement from the ACWM posted to the bWMA
[USMA:52467] Re: Reuse of Word
But the problem is they refering to a complete different reference, a metric as a rating system vs a complete measuring system. A metric of a product in a market place vs. the dimensions if the product. There should be a seperation of term/meaning. Bruce E. Arkwright, Jr Erie PA Linux and Metric User and Enforcer I will only invest in nukes that are 150 gigameters away. How much solar energy have you collected today? Id put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we dont have to wait til oil and coal run out before we tackle that. I wish I had a few more years left. -- Thomas Edison♽☯♑ Mar 7, 2013 11:31:52 AM, trus...@grandecom.net wrote: You sure have identified a major public relations problem for us Bruce. I hate and love to say this in response, but metric system is a very identifiable phrase in the American language. Not necessarily to our advantage, though: too often, metric system is used in anger. But, unlike the concocters of buzz word makers, I don't think we should back down and join the parade of circumlocution. Perhaps one solution is to add to the phrase by saying metric system of measurement or International System of Units. Paul - Original Message - From: a-bruie...@lycos.com To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu Sent: 2013-03-07 09:26 Subject: [USMA:52457] Reuse of Word I know in American language, we like to make the same words to have different meanings or to use as noun, verb, or adjective, but it really irritates me when they (particular the finance industry) uses 'metric' in replace for the word 'measurement'. Obviously, 'metric' has been in our vocabulary for over hundred of years, but when did they start using it as a replacement? Maybe we should not call it the 'Metric System'. Bruce E. Arkwright, Jr Erie PA Linux and Metric User and Enforcer I will only invest in nukes that are 150 gigameters away. How much solar energy have you collected today? Id put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we dont have to wait til oil and coal run out before we tackle that. I wish I had a few more years left. -- Thomas Edison♽☯♑;
[USMA:52468] Re: Use of the Word Metric
So they have been using the mathematical definition and not geometric form of the word, thanks. Bruce E. Arkwright, Jr Erie PA Linux and Metric User and Enforcer I will only invest in nukes that are 150 gigameters away. How much solar energy have you collected today? Id put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we dont have to wait til oil and coal run out before we tackle that. I wish I had a few more years left. -- Thomas Edison♽☯♑ Mar 7, 2013 03:20:58 PM, pcchern...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, don't go verbing my nouns! Anyway, I thought that a verb used as a noun ending in ing is a gerund, like the building of the dam. Anyway, here are 2 sets of definitions from dictionary.com: Dictionary.com Unabridged Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2013. met·ric 1 [me-trik] Show IPA adjective pertaining to the meter or to the metric system. Origin: 1860–65; met·ric 2 [me-trik] Show IPA adjective 1. pertaining to distance: metric geometry. 2. metrical. noun 3. Mathematics . a nonnegative real-valued function having properties analogous to those of the distance between points on a real line, as the distance between two points being independent of the order of the points, the distance between two points being zero if, and only if, the two points coincide, and the distance between two points being less than or equal to the sum of the distances from each point to an arbitrary third point. Origin: 1750–60; Collins English Dictionary - Complete Unabridged 10th Edition 2009 © William Collins Sons Co. Ltd. 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins Publishers 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009 metric (ˈmɛtrɪk) — adj 1. of or relating to the metre or metric system 2. maths denoting or relating to a set containing pairs of points for each of which a non-negative real number ρ( x, y ) (the distance) can be defined, satisfying specific conditions — n 3. maths the function ρ( x, y ) satisfying the conditions of membership of such a set (a metric space ) metrical or metric (ˈmɛtrɪk ə l, ˈmɛtrɪk) — adj 1. of or relating to measurement 2. of or in poetic metre metric or metric — adj 'metrically or metric — adv -metry — n combining form indicating the process or science of measuring: anthropometry ; geometry [from Old French -metrie, from Latin -metria, from Greek, from metron measure] -metric — adj combining form On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM, c...@traditio.com wrote: Re: [USMA:52457] Reuse of Word An interesting point. The venerable Webster's Unabridged Second Edition, which is still used by careful writers, does not list metric as a noun. The Third Edition does, so the word gained recognition after 1960. Accurate writers now use SI Metric to designate the Modern Metric System. The usage that really bugs me is the run-away usage of vouns, that is, verbs used as nouns. We are commonly hearing now, except from the most careful broadcasters, the sequester instead of the sequestration. We have long heard in recent decades about doing an install instead of an installation. This confusing peculiarity of English works the other way too. For example, some would mustard their hot dog, using the noun as a verb.
[USMA:52469] Re: Use of the Word Metric
As a noun, my Webster also gives: a standard for measuring or evaluating something, a basis for assessment and gives the example a new metric for judging success. Business has adopted this usage big time and we may as well get over it. From: Phil Chernack pcchern...@gmail.com To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu Sent: Thu, March 7, 2013 3:21:11 PM Subject: [USMA:52465] Re: Use of the Word Metric Hey, don't go verbing my nouns! Anyway, I thought that a verb used as a noun ending in ing is a gerund, like the building of the dam. Anyway, here are 2 sets of definitions from dictionary.com: Dictionary.com Unabridged Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2013. met·ric 1 [me-trik] Show IPA adjective pertaining to the meter or to the metric system. Origin: 1860–65; French métrique, derivative of mètre meter1 ; see -ic met·ric 2 [me-trik] Show IPA adjective 1. pertaining to distance: metric geometry. 2. metrical. noun 3. Mathematics . a nonnegative real-valued function having properties analogous to those of the distance between points on a real line, as the distance between two points being independent of the order of the points, the distance between two points being zero if, and only if, the two points coincide, and the distance between two points being less than or equal to the sum of the distances from each point to an arbitrary third point. Origin: 1750–60; Latin metricus Greek metrikós of, relating to measuring. See meter2 , -ic Collins English Dictionary - Complete Unabridged 10th Edition 2009 © William Collins Sons Co. Ltd. 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins Publishers 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009 metric (ˈmɛtrɪk) — adj 1. of or relating to the metre or metric system 2. maths denoting or relating to a set containing pairs of points for each of which a non-negative real number ρ( x, y ) (the distance) can be defined, satisfying specific conditions — n 3. maths the function ρ( x, y ) satisfying the conditions of membership of such a set (a metric space ) metrical or metric (ˈmɛtrɪk ə l, ˈmɛtrɪk) — adj 1. of or relating to measurement 2. of or in poetic metre metric or metric — adj 'metrically or metric — adv -metry — n combining form indicating the process or science of measuring: anthropometry ; geometry [from Old French -metrie, from Latin -metria, from Greek, from metron measure] -metric — adj combining form On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM, c...@traditio.com wrote: Re: [USMA:52457] Reuse of Word An interesting point. The venerable Webster's Unabridged Second Edition, which is still used by careful writers, does not list metric as a noun. The Third Edition does, so the word gained recognition after 1960. Accurate writers now use SI Metric to designate the Modern Metric System. The usage that really bugs me is the run-away usage of vouns, that is, verbs used as nouns. We are commonly hearing now, except from the most careful broadcasters, the sequester instead of the sequestration. We have long heard in recent decades about doing an install instead of an installation. This confusing peculiarity of English works the other way too. For example, some would mustard their hot dog, using the noun as a verb.
[USMA:52470] Re: Use of the Word Metric
Sir(s): .of or relating to measurement .pertaining to the meter or to the metric system. . pertaining to distance: metric geometry. All correct! But when these refer to Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites (SI in all languages), it is the sciecnce of METRIC measurements; often mis-concieved/mis-understood to be the 'count of qunatities in multiple/sub-multiples of TENS/Hundreds/Thousands...etc. In my psts, I have tried to impress that WORD Metre - pertains to the METRE in the 'metric system' when related to the unit of Length Metre, and not merely if it has divisions/ multiplications in Tens or the multiple/sub-multiples thereof. Derived symbols quantities, if not related to METRE -the distance for length unit, cannot be considered to belong to Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites (SI). This is, perhaps, the forefathers left the question un-resolved and made the confusion for our generations. It is now felt IMPORTANT the the length Unit Metre and Arc-length/angle, cannot go without their inter-merger - the cause of failure of the Metric Reform so far. United States/French (and world scientist community) shall do well to ponder over THIS for the futute of SI (Metric) System of units for measurements. I recall having made such a call among my various contributions during publication of my document: The Metric Second (1973 April) thro Bureau of Indian Standards, New Delhi. The extension of this became The Metric Calendar Year via Metric Norms for Time Standard. On my building several options for the Reform og Gregorian calendar, I now propose to merely shift the day of July 31 and bring THIS GAINED DAY in the 2nd month February as February 29 (during all years). Please see my Home Page: http://www.brijvij.com/ Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Thursday, 2013 March 07H17:26(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) 30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR GAYATRI LOK Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 12:56:39 -0800 From: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [USMA:52469] Re: Use of the Word Metric To: usma@colostate.edu As a noun, my Webster also gives: a standard for measuring or evaluating something, a basis for assessment and gives the example a new metric for judging success. Business has adopted this usage big time and we may as well get over it. From: Phil Chernack pcchern...@gmail.com To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu Sent: Thu, March 7, 2013 3:21:11 PM Subject: [USMA:52465] Re: Use of the Word Metric Hey, don't go verbing my nouns! Anyway, I thought that a verb used as a noun ending in ing is a gerund, like the building of the dam. Anyway, here are 2 sets of definitions from dictionary.com: Dictionary.com Unabridged Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2013. met·ric 1 [me-trik] Show IPA adjective pertaining to the meter or to the metric system. Origin: 1860–65; French métrique, derivative of mètre meter1 ; see -ic met·ric 2 [me-trik] Show IPA adjective 1. pertaining to distance: metric geometry. 2. metrical. noun 3. Mathematics . a nonnegative real-valued function having properties analogous to those of the distance between points on a real line, as the distance between two points being independent of the order of the points, the distance between two points being zero if, and only if, the two points coincide, and the distance between two points being less than or equal to the sum of the distances from each point to an arbitrary third point. Origin: 1750–60; Latin metricus Greek metrikós of, relating to measuring. See meter2 , -ic Collins English Dictionary - Complete Unabridged 10th Edition 2009 © William Collins Sons Co. Ltd. 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins Publishers 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009 metric (ˈmɛtrɪk) — adj 1. of or relating to the metre or metric system 2. maths denoting or relating to a set containing pairs of points for each of which a non-negative real
[USMA:52471] Re: Use of the Word Metric
Two particular annoyances: An impact is what happens when one thing strikes another. It has now been verbed and is the new trendy business buzzword for affect. Leverage is a financial term involving using borrowed money for a purpose. It too has become THE new trendy word as both a noun and, unspeakably, a verb. I edit documents at work and have a rather notorious reputation at editing out both words whenever I see them used inappropriately. Carleton -Original Message- From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of c...@traditio.com Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 14:56 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:52464] Re: Use of the Word Metric Re: [USMA:52457] Reuse of Word An interesting point. The venerable Webster's Unabridged Second Edition, which is still used by careful writers, does not list metric as a noun. The Third Edition does, so the word gained recognition after 1960. Accurate writers now use SI Metric to designate the Modern Metric System. The usage that really bugs me is the run-away usage of vouns, that is, verbs used as nouns. We are commonly hearing now, except from the most careful broadcasters, the sequester instead of the sequestration. We have long heard in recent decades about doing an install instead of an installation. This confusing peculiarity of English works the other way too. For example, some would mustard their hot dog, using the noun as a verb.
