[USMA:52672] Counting in East & West RE: RE: Germany: Thieves swipe 5 tons of chocolate spread
Carleton, Mark, Vliestra sirs:Hanschel Mark wrote:>I also remember the hundred weight not equalling a hundred pounds. Wierd. Also when we get to land measure. An acre being four >rods by 40 rods, what sense does that make?Units in 'historical records' need examination in the newer light; while the encouragement be *directed* to use Metric System of Units all over. True, there are inherent difficulties BUT these can be over come. So our task today is to find the SOLUTION that can mean to teach the "young and old alike".During one of the discussions group on COUNT OF LARGE & SMALL - Quantities /Numbers - at National Physical Laboratory, New Delhi, some 20-years ago; I pointed to my published ideas on BRIDGING the count to large numbers, I had tried to merge *LAKH & MILLION between East & West*. Please see below: INDO-European COUNT (LARGE-n-SMALL QUANTITIES/NUMBERS) Present ValueUnit NameProposed Value (MULTIPLE) 10^24= yotta [Y] = 10^30 =1 0 0 0 0 0 010^21= zetta [Z]= 10^25 =1 0 0 0 0 0 10^18= exa [E] = 10^20 =1 0 0 0 010^15= peta [P] (Arbud) = 10^15 =1 0 0 0 10^12= tera[T] = 10^12 =1 0 0 00 10^9 = giga [G] (Crore) = 10^10 =1 0 0(a million millions =billion) 10^6 = mega [M] (Lakh) = 10^5=1 0(a million) 10^3 = kilo [k] = 10^3 =1000 (a thousand) 10^2 = hecto [h]= 10^2=100 (a hundred) 10^1 = deca [da] = 10^1=10 (ten) U N I T 10^-1 = deci [d] = 10^-1=0.1 (a tenth) 10^-2 = centi [c] = 10^-2=0.01 (a hundredth) 10^-3 = milli [m] = 10^-3=0.001 (a thousandth) 10^-6 = micro [µ] = 10^-5=0.1(a millionth) 10^-9 = nano [n]= 10^-10 =0.0 1 (a million millionth =billionth) 10^-12 = pico [p] = 10^-12 =0.0 0 01 10^-15 = femto [f]= 10^-15=0.0 0 1 10^-18 = atto [a] = 10^-20=0.0 0 0 1 10^-21 = zepto [z] = 10^-25 =0.0 0 0 0 1 10^-24 = yocto [y] = 10^-30 =0.0 0 0 0 0 1 The proposed Universal Decimal Numeral (UDN) Code multiples and sub-multiples in steps of10^5 (1 0) are invoked to bridge the Asian LAKH with Million 10^6 i.e. multiples in the power of10^3 (1000); 1000 million (to confuse with US Billion) as compared to 1000 US Billion or simply BILLION used in Europe. The need to count large numbers is felt with the advancements in technology – especially in the memory discs of ‘Computer soft/hardware processors’. Multiples ‘terra- [T]= (10^12) and sub-multiple ‘pico- [p]=10-12 are retained. Reference: Author’s Book Towards A Unified Technology (1982); pp211-216; Soni Book Agency, New Delhi.This may be viewed in COUNT/TRANSACTION of large numbers connected in finance and commodities between East & West.Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Monday, 2013 April 15H14:76(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical
[USMA:52633] Answer lies in the Question? RE: The U.S. Isn't as Anti-metric as You Think
Martin Morrison, Sirs:>." The quiz show "Are You > Smarter than a Fifth Grader?" recently had a third-grade question: "How > many decimetres are there in a metre?"The failure of Metric System in US is > not because 'children DO NOT wish to learn" BUT because they get confronted > with DUAL standards of measurements or the USE OF HARD CONVERSIONS (alongwith > customary system of units). Labelling and Packaging is yet the main culprit > in THIS. Where learning is mandatory, children can be tought APPROXIMATION > and as they grow they know that EXACT conversions are newcessary only in > 'laboratory work, where precision is important'. How does it matter when the > child drinks his 'cocacola is dual lablelled' to exact oz fluid or exact ml > to quesnch his thirst? BUT yes, the 3rd grader or the 5th grader need to > learn that the coke can they get in school is 250 ml (instead of 222 ml). > Same coke can be lablled 7.5 oz can as (approx. 250 ml) - what's wrong the > exactness or the teaching! I am glad you are a *Metric Training & Eductional > Columnist* an educationist!So teach the children APPROXIMATIONS, so they can > make their mothers understand the Metric system and as they grow to high > school/college get in the EXACT stream. The problem we see all around SHALL > SEEM TO BE VANISHING! So long as anti-metric forces keep their 'heads erect' > their may be hardly any great results. BUT the THINK TANK must work! Is that > happening. What people tell me is *impossible for Reform of Time/Calendar* I > ask why? Are U willing to THINK ahead and remain serious? Tons of information > is lying at my Home Page: http://www.brijvij.com/My 40-years of dedication, > so far has only been a 'micro deci-second' - a new term for you, which is > micro-form of the *decimal second, I have talked i.e. 10^-6 x 1/24th of > the day*; in a cycle of Precession of Equinoxes. The day is equated as: 24h x > 60' x60" :: 24h x 100'(md) x100" (sd). Duration of the SI, second, s, shall > be reciprocal of 36% of 'decimal second (sd). I offer the Esiest, Surest and > Cheapest way out for a possible World calendar! We fight of grammer rather > than trying to achieve TARGETS. I am but a man-on-street who THINKS big for > America! THINK AHEAD, THINK METRIC, sirs.SIncerly, Brij Bhushan Vij Monday, 2013 April 08H15:23(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) > Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 11:10:10 -0700 > From: c...@traditio.com > To: usma@colostate.edu > Subject: [USMA:52631] The U.S. Isn't as Anti-metric as You Think > > The recent exchange on this list about radiological units raises a bigger > point that is often missed in discussions on the metric vs. customary > systems with the public. When it comes to most measurements, people are > not as wedded to the customary system as they think. > > Outside of a few common measurements in ordinary life -- the inch, the > mile, the pound perhaps -- customary units don't make that much difference > to people. If you say that the speed of light is 300,000 k/s or 186,000 > mi/s, how many people comprehend either? The measures are used primarily > for comparison or for standards. > > Ask people how many feet there are in a mile. Most don't know. Ask > people how many ounces there are in a pound. Most don't know. Most don't > know that there is a troy ounce used to measure gold and an avoirdupois > ounce to measure everything else. Ask people how many ounces there are in > a quart. Most don't know. Most don't even know that the ounce of mass &
[USMA:52619] What METRIC IS? RE: FW: Metric Time Conversion poses challenges to governments and people
Sirs:>.Anyone know anything about metric time?Jokes apart! Do you know: What METRIC IS? Most experts and individuals "confuse DECIMAL notation of Units & symbols" with the Metric System of Units - Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites. Please see my Home Page: www.brijvij.com/THINK aloud: METRIC IS WHAT IS RELATED TO Length Unit - METRE? Read my base contribution: The Metric Second; V25 N4; 1973 April; published through Bureau of Indian Standards, New Delhi.Regards,Brij Bhushan Vij Sunday, 2013 April 07H16:96(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) From: i...@metricrules.org To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:52612] FW: Metric Time Conversion poses challenges to governments and people Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 06:22:56 -0500 I think it is an April Fool’s joke from 2012. What is the deal with April 1 and Metric jokes- its crazy! From: Team Metric Info [mailto:i...@metricrules.org] Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 6:19 AM To: 'U.S. Metric Association' Subject: Metric Time Conversion poses challenges to governments and people Anyone know anything about metric time? http://niagarahub.com/2012/04/01/metric-time-conversion-poses-challenges-to-governments-and-people-by-andrea-galyn/
[USMA:52601] World Metric Deca Day RE: Fwd: Augusta Chronicle article
Sirs:>.April 7 is sometimes celebrated as Metric System Day, even in the U.S., where U.S. Customary Units reign.I may not be at your frequency, sirs.But, I thought Metric Day was OCTOBER 10, the 10th Day in the 10th-month of Gregorian year. However, if it had been April 07 as pointed, I am sure this can be in line with World Metric DecaDay "October 05 thro October 14" when both the World Metric Day and World Standards Day get accomodated!It may be approperiate to make 'THIS sometimes' in preferred demand by US citizens! Regards,Brij Bhushan Vij Friday, 2013 April 05H12:11(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:36:24 -0700 Subject: [USMA:52598] Fwd: Augusta Chronicle article From: edws...@gmail.com To: usma@colostate.edu -- Forwarded message -- From: Date: Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:03 AM Subject: [USMA:52597] Augusta Chronicle article To: "U.S. Metric Association" http://m.chronicle.augusta.com/life/life-style/2013-04-04/metric-system-use-rise-us Here is a positive article on change towards Metrication. -- Sincerely, Edward B.
[USMA:52590] Milestone vs Kilo-shila RE: damn the yardsticks---full metric ahead !
Paul, sir:>.God smiles from above.Nicely put! God does favour BUT the true and fauithful. I recall my early published article and point that I professed to consider remaning the length unit as: Yard-stick or Metre-lumb: Patriot Magazine, New Delhi; 1980 October 19 in line with - common terninology: *Yard-Stick be termed METRE-LUMB - the length of the METRE Unit*. In yet another article, I used the term - KILO-SHILA to mean the "kilometre stone": Yet Another Kiloshila: Patriot Magazine, New Delhi; 1981 August 16.I do not 'insist' these terms be removed from dictionaries but DELETING these from Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites - THINK-TANKS shall be useful!YES, words like Metre-lumb and Kiloshila need be imbedded into the tiny minds of 'children at school during their formitive years'.Time to Think for THINK-TANKS, sir!SIncerly, sirsBrij Bhushan Vij Wednesday, 2013 April 03H15:66(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) > Subject: [USMA:52589] damn the yardsticks---full metric ahead ! > From: trus...@grandecom.net > Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:19:21 -0500 > To: usma@colostate.edu > > Often when we lose hope and think this is the end, God smiles from above and > says, "Relax, sweetheart, it's just a bend, not the end!" > > Paul Trusten, Reg. Pharmacist > Vice President > U.S. Metric Association, Inc. > Midland, Texas USA > www.metric.org > +1(432)528-7724 > trus...@grandecom.net >
[USMA:52588] Circular arc and Nautical kilometre RE: Hebrew Calendar Year Placing
Karl, Cc sirs: >Wikipedia article about the Hebrew Calendar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar >>.In my mail to Irv of Tue 1/29/13 5:01 PM, I wrote: >>“In response to Irv's sub-distribution of the second into 1080 parts, I presented that THIS WAS THE SAME like the 5*216 =1080; >>and that 24 x216 :: 86400 : 600 having links with ancient India's time-subunits! To me it appears that 24 decimal seconds day/night >>was more practical AND conducive to current move on Reform of the Gregorian calendar in use for International use by ALL nations.” I pointed that if a division of the HOUR into smaller parts were to be considerted, now, it would be approperiate to have smaller divisions of the 24-hour day into 24-hours; each hour of 100 minutes decimal (md); and each decimal minute into 100 seconds decimal (sd). Also, please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_deci-sec-nu-mtr.pdf.THIS division of the HOUR-Angle in relation to current division of Earth for Nautical Mile could provide us a DIRECT 'definition for Nautical Kilometre', please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_shelving-NMile.pdf as an attampted direction to SHELVE NAUTICAL MILE, as historic tool!Regards,Brij Bhushan Vij Tuesday, 2013 April 02H15:44(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:33:44 + From: karl.pal...@stfc.ac.uk Subject: Hebrew Calendar Year Placing To: calnd...@listserv.ecu.edu Dear Calendar People I found in the Wikipedia article about the Hebrew Calendar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar : “When the 19-year intercalary cycle was finalised in the 4th century, the earliest Passover (in year 16 of the cycle) coincided with the northward equinox, which means that Passover fell near the first full moon after the northward equinox, or that the northward equinox landed within one lunation before 16 days after the molad of Nisan. This is still the case in about 80% of years, but in about 20% of years Passover is a month late by these criteria (as it was in AM 5765 and 5768, the 8th and 11th years of the 19-year cycle = Gregorian 2005 and 2008 CE). Presently this occurs after the "premature" insertion of a leap month in years 8, 11, and 19 of each 19-year cycle, which causes the northward equinox to land on exceptionally early Hebrew dates in such years.” This tells why the leap months are placed as they are in the 19-year cycle and suggests they would have been reckoned differently in years before the 4th century. In particular around 1 AD, the 16th instead of the 17th year of the 19-year cycle would normally be a leap year. It also suggests that if the 19-year cycle were corrected, the leap years would now be the 1st, 3rd, 6th, 9th, 12th, 14th and 17th years of the 19-year cycle. I expect Aristeo would be interested in this. Karl 13(07(22 -- Scanned by iCritical.
[USMA:52572] Re: ISO Representation of Date & Time instant WRE: Re: Date Format
John sir: >.and is widely used for data interchange that must be both computer and >human readable. >Incidently the format "Era-Year-Month-Date H hr:m:s" is wrong. There is no >"era" field. I thank you for pointing THIS. But, the fasct remain that ISO format has remained under discussion since its formation in 1975; and updates are still continuing - although not being so popular among *countries and experts alike*. The need for a modification in the Gregorian calendar has ever been felt to make THIS acceptable for ALL NATIONS (perhaps with all diversities). Agreed, there is no Era field and neither does 'H' represent date/time seperation. But discussions at calndr-L and perhaps usma archieves may reveal some portions discussed for implimentation. I dedicated a full chapter in my book: Towards A Unified Technology (1982) while presenting my case for Metric Second/ Metric calendar Year. These are only proposed during my discussions with EXPERTS and/or organisations concerned with the Reforms of Gregorian calendar. My inputs aare placed at: http://www.brijvij.com/ I have provided SOLUTION to several problems, under investications, as you know. My discussions with USMA started way back in 1984-86; and later when I migrated between 2002 and then since mid-2004 - even during periods when I was in INDIA, away from my children/grand children, who are now stuck between TWO worlds looking for: "what standards theu need follow?" All along during my 40-years of pleading/discussions & media presentations, I argued for: Let's look beyond our table of responsibility! My early communications with BIPM/ISO Headquarters during mid 1970's were only pointers to 'EXAMINE the need' for reforms where applicable, sirs. My regards to all wishing GOOD FRIDAY (today) and Happy Easter at all members of USMA family & calndr-L list serv. Brij Bhushan Vij Friday, 2013 March 29H08:01(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 04:39:12 -0700 From: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [USMA:52563] Re: ISO Representation of Date & Time instant WRE: Re: Date Format To: usma@colostate.edu I don't know why you say it is "under review." ISO 8601 is in the 3rd (2004) edition, and is widely used for data interchange that must be both computer and human readable. It disclaims itself as a standard in flowing text; it is for use in data fields. If only computers need to read it, Unix time is probably preferred. Incidently the format "Era-Year-Month-Date H hr:m:s" is wrong. There is no "era" field. The basic format requires 4 digit non-negative year, and expanded format allows five or more year digits with a mandatory positive or negative sign to handle years outside to . In concatenated date/time fields, no space is permitted and the required separator is "T" not "H". Thus -mm-ddThh:mm:ss that should be followed by a "Z" for UTC time or a signed field with hours (and minutes if required) offset from UTC. Any space terminates the field. That requirement sacrifices some human readability for the computer gods. The hyphens and colons may be omitted, although human readability is sacrified, but the "T" is compulsary. Leading zeroes are required where necessary to pad each subfield to the correct length. You should learn it and use it before complaining it is not used. Incidently it declares the Gregorian calendar, it may NOT be used with the Julian calendar or any of your proposed calendar revisions. It contains a brief definition of Gregorian, and requires proleptic Gregorian for dates before the Gregorian calendar was required. From: Brij Bhushan Vij To: U.S. Metric Associa
[USMA:52561] ISO Representation of Date & Time instant WRE: Re: Date Format
John sir:>Era-Year-Month-Date H hr:m:sBetween 1975 and today (2013), some 28 years have goneby and ISO format is still under REVIEW. Why cannot the world take guidance from Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites (SI) - Think Tanks? The need is to follow rather leave loose knots and find HOW NOT TO IMPLEMENT?Let's look beyond our table of responsibility!Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Thursday, 2013 March 28H00:93(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) > From: j...@frewston.plus.com > To: usma@colostate.edu > CC: usma@colostate.edu > Subject: [USMA:52556] Re: Date Format > Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 07:53:33 + > > I've just got some new cheques from HSBC in Canada, and, because Canadians > used to use d-m-y, but many now use the American m-d-y (because that's the > default for most US software sold in Canada), my cheques are very specific > in how the date is written: -mm-dd. It would be a huge benefit if > everyone, Americans included, adopted that standard. BTW, it is not only > Europeans who use d-m-y. Most of the rest of the world also uses it. > > John F-L > > -Original Message- > From: cont...@metricpioneer.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:00 PM > To: U.S. Metric Association > Cc: U.S. Metric Association > Subject: [USMA:52555] Date Format > > Stanislav. I appreciate the information you sent about date and time. > In my mind, the mm dd date format makes sense for sticking on the > end of file names so the files remain in alphabetical order. My United > States passport uses 26 Mar 2013 format, which I prefer to use in all > other cases because spelling out the month ensures that no person can > mix the day up with the month. We have an International Trade section > where I work, and I remember seeing a contract signed by someone in > England along with a scrawled-in date using numbers only, 10 11 2004 > which caused confusion because the person who signed the contract > meant to convey 10 November, but it was misinterpreted in our office > as October 11. Please see the date triangle graphic on my > MetricPioneer.wordpress.com blog. > David Pearl MetricPioneer.com 503-428-4917 > > - Message from jakub...@gmail.com - > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:10:08 -0400 > From: Stanislav Jakuba > Subject: Hi >To: cont...@metricpioneer.com > > > > David: > > I sent you the Date & Time article because I noticed your European way of > > D M Y. To be metric to me means to go with ISO standards overall. SI > > units is just one ISO standard. The cited Date & Time ISO standard bridges > > the differences among all nations with its y m d sequence as described in > > the article. So I thought that if you must annoy (:-) Americans with > > something unfamiliar, it should not be a European standard, but rather an > > International standard. All my industrial clients have adopted the ISO > > sequence and I have been using it since it's issuance a 1/2 century ago. I > > hope you will also. > > > > On a different subject, if you send me your address I will mail you my SAE > > paper about SI. I have extra copies from years past. Perhaps you can > > enlighten a few people in the financial/government sector. > > Stan > > > > > - End message from jakub...@gmail.com - > > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3267 / Virus Database: 3161/6205 - Release Date: 03/26/13 >
[USMA:52517] RE: Why we failed RE: Re: milliliters exclusively instead of teaspoons
Amos, sirs:>... There is just not enough benefit to justify the cost. Does this mean we are NOT interested to see 'solutions for Reform of the calendar/time unit' or we are only trying to impede the process and initiative taken by 'forefathers' in sounding the benefits of Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites (SI in all languages). AND, also their failure to merge time with arc-length (circular measure). I had worked the necessary corrections for multiples/sub-multiples in my base paper: The Metric Second (19073 April).United Nations and United States have worked for SOLUTION and not problems for 'Reforming the Gregorian calendar'; please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_UNcal-dec25st..pdf and other contributions at my Home Page: http://www.brijvij.com/My Regards,Brij Bhushan Vij Wednesday, 2013 March 13H15:07(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 00:58:52 +0200 From: amos...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [USMA:52366] Why we failed RE: Re: milliliters exclusively instead of teaspoons To: calnd...@listserv.ecu.edu I'm afraid that it's too late to change the unit of time now. This is one of the most fundamental units in physics and engineering; since almost all units are built upon the basic units of length, time, mass and electricity, changing one would require many other. If the unit of time would change, so would also the units for speed, acceleration, force, energy, power... There is just not enough benefit to justify the cost. -- Amos Shapir
[USMA:52500] RE: Why we failed RE: Re: milliliters exclusively instead of teaspoons
Dear Editor, sirs:>Is this article similar to the time stuff that you talk about: http://www.kashmirtimes.com/newsdet.aspx?q=13525It is unfortunate, the page you refer does not show any results, EXCEPT that India should/can take up the case for Metrication/Reform of the Gregorian calendar. I shall, however, welcome if the story published by KASHMIR TIMES is posted for *expert opinion* since I ahve been associated with this topic/research since 1971...and remined under discussion with USMA/Calndr-L listserv since mid-2002.Is it not TIME for United States/United Nations to review the whole concept of METRICATION and *fill up the gaps left delibrately or otherwise by "forfathers of the Metric move for world adoption"*.The link does not open the story. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Tuesday, 2013 March 12H14:36(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) From: i...@metricrules.org To: metric...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [USMA:52366] Why we failed RE: Re: milliliters exclusively instead of teaspoons Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:39:04 -0500 Is this article similar to the time stuff that you talk about: http://www.kashmirtimes.com/newsdet.aspx?q=13525 From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of Brij Bhushan Vij Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 4:01 PM To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:52366] Why we failed RE: Re: milliliters exclusively instead of teaspoons JM Steele, Paul Trusten sirs: >However, I learned "metric" as at least a somewhat coherent system in high >school chemistry and physics, and as MKSA (meter/kilogram/second/ampere) in >college where its coherence was emphasized. >.That was new direction and the textbook for our fifth term of physics had >not been re-written to comply -- very confusing. 1988 Omni-Bus move to adopt Metric System had the intension that in due course, the Preferred system of Units - Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites (SI in all languages) was intended with good intentions BUT fell 'to adopt, if necessary'. Unfortunately, there were NO Fedral directions. It is here some work need be EMPHASISED and the portals of education are not left with the choice, if necessary to adopt the PREFERRED 'System of Units'. During my visit to US during mid-eighty's, I had met several concerned organisations, including a visit to the World Calendar Association Office, then in New York. I did sent several letters to 'some concerned people'. Thes incude: THINK METRIC: Letters: Re-Definition of Mass-Weight Standard; Standards Engineering, Minnesota (USA); 1983 August; pp 79 & 83 IDLE THOUGHTS: Standards Engineering , Minnesota (USA); 1983 December; pp 129 Need certainly exist for IMPLEMENTATION and "some directions" from the Fedral government for strict implementation rather than work for 'Profit Areas only'. I can understand that THINK TANKS felt that as long a solution for Time & arc-angle were not found, the efforts may prove futile; like my re-emphasising to UNDERSTAND the Metric System in relation with relevance to the Length Unit *METRE*. Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_deci-sec-nu-mtr.pdf and my calendar proposal to shift the day of July 31st as February 29th (in 4 equal quarters) and keep 365th day outside of calendar format, and the leap day between June 30th & July 01st. I feel, TIME is ripe for the desired switch to Metrication in United States! Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Saturday, 2013 February 16H17:01(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when
[USMA:52478] Metre, Pi & Radian RE: "Pi"
Paul, all sirs: I had shown & discussed my Pi working as at: http://www.brijvij.com/rationalisedPi-value.doc based on some 'inherent feel' that define this Mathematical constant: *the ratio between circumference of the cirle to its diametre - commonly known as 22/7 or several other values; also defining the value for circular-arc 'RADIAN =57*.2958'. >.mathematician who becomes obsessed a with a 216-digit number sequence >that . >.describes the film as an "intellectual thriller." . YES, I have never heard of such a thriller but have been hearing the working of Pi to "several million digits". To what purpose, if the INTER-RELATION between Pi and Radian are not established! The mathematician must have LOST his patience, since I worked upro several hundred digits and then decidedc to have it RUN through the computer at Delhi University during 1970's. I first reprted this 'to lie between two fractions' in 1974: Value of Pi (p) - News Report; The Times of India, New Delhi; 1974 October 25 [The Absolute Pi or ( p ) Literary: L.6843/74 19 November 1974] Vedic Numeral Code; Value for Pi (p) Indian Standards Institution Bulletin, New Delhi; V 27 N 10; 1974 October; pp 381 I discovered that value REPEADED all by itself at 5244th digit, and kept repeating. This fixed the TWO criterion: Pi Value =10/31831 in the form a/b and also circular-arc Radian =57*2958, to be of use both in mathematics and in geometry. Number 216 has been of imprtance in ancient astronomy; and I link this with my 24h x100md x100sd since 24x216 =5184 vipratipala - a smaller unit for time in India/Asia, possibly since flourishing period of Indus culture. My recent investigation towards the possible Harappa calendar and METRE via the Indus Inch linked to this culture. My contribution in Sir Mortimer Wheeler Commemoration Volume (1984) also refrs. THESE are my pointers that Indus civilisation had the knowledge og astronomy and Mathematics far excellent to present times. We are, as yet, stuch to the spellings for METRE vs METER! Let America prosper and be not get stuck in petty arguments '😊' Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Saturday, 2013 March 09H16:68(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) From: trus...@grandecom.net To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:52384] "Pi" Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 10:19:51 -0600 This 1998 film may be of interest. Pi is the story of mathematician who becomes obsessed a with a 216-digit number sequence that also becomes the quest of big business and orthodox Judaism. Although there is nothing about measurement systems in movie, I thought it was worth mentioning to those who enjoy working with numbers. The cable listening describes the film as an "intellectual thriller." Has any film ever been described that way before? Never read such a thing. Paul
[USMA:52470] Re: Use of the Word "Metric"
Sir(s): >.of or relating to measurement >.pertaining to the meter or to the metric system. >. pertaining to distance: metric geometry. All correct! But when these refer to Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites (SI in all languages), it is the sciecnce of METRIC measurements; often mis-concieved/mis-understood to be the 'count of qunatities in multiple/sub-multiples of TENS/Hundreds/Thousands...etc. In my psts, I have tried to impress that WORD "Metre - pertains to the METRE in the 'metric system' when related to the unit of Length Metre, and not merely if it has divisions/ multiplications in Tens or the multiple/sub-multiples thereof". Derived symbols & quantities, if not related to METRE -the distance for length unit, cannot be considered to belong to Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites (SI). This is, perhaps, the forefathers left the question un-resolved and made the confusion for our generations. It is now felt IMPORTANT the the length Unit Metre and Arc-length/angle, cannot go without their inter-merger - the cause of failure of the Metric Reform so far. United States/French (and world scientist community) shall do well to ponder over THIS for the futute of SI (Metric) System of units for measurements. I recall having made such a call among my various contributions during publication of my document: The Metric Second (1973 April) thro Bureau of Indian Standards, New Delhi. The extension of this became The Metric Calendar Year via Metric Norms for Time Standard. On my building several options for the Reform og Gregorian calendar, I now propose to merely shift the day of July 31 and bring THIS GAINED DAY in the 2nd month February as February 29 (during all years). Please see my Home Page: http://www.brijvij.com/ Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Thursday, 2013 March 07H17:26(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 12:56:39 -0800 From: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [USMA:52469] Re: Use of the Word "Metric" To: usma@colostate.edu As a noun, my Webster also gives: a standard for measuring or evaluating something, a basis for assessment and gives the example "a new metric for judging success." Business has adopted this usage big time and we may as well get over it. From: Phil Chernack To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Thu, March 7, 2013 3:21:11 PM Subject: [USMA:52465] Re: Use of the Word "Metric" Hey, don't go verbing my nouns! Anyway, I thought that a verb used as a noun ending in ing is a gerund, like the building of the dam. Anyway, here are 2 sets of definitions from dictionary.com: Dictionary.com Unabridged Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2013. met·ric 1 [me-trik] Show IPA adjective pertaining to the meter or to the metric system. Origin: 1860–65; < French métrique, derivative of mètre meter1 ; see -ic met·ric 2 [me-trik] Show IPA adjective 1. pertaining to distance: metric geometry. 2. metrical. noun 3. Mathematics . a nonnegative real-valued function having properties analogous to those of the distance between points on a real line, as the distance between two points being independent of the order of the points, the distance between two points being zero if, and only if, the two points coincide, and the distance between two points being less than or equal to the sum of the distances from each point to an arbitrary third point. Origin: 1750–60; < Latin metricus < Greek metrikós of, relating to measuring. See meter2 , -ic Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition 2009 © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd. 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins Publishers 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009 metric (ˈmɛtrɪk) — adj 1. of or relating to the m
[USMA:52373] Well begun is half done RE: units of measure
Robert, sir:>.Non-SI units in parentheses are not to appear after SI units.SCIENCE has made the start for other mgazines! It is the implimentation that really matter now, because 'ill-start had made' the movement a non-starter in United States.Yes, Well Begun is half done! Congratulations. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Tuesday, 2013 February 19H14:78(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) > From: roberthb...@comcast.net > Subject: [USMA:52372] units of measure > Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:35:06 -0700 > CC: usma@colostate.edu > To: usma@colostate.edu > > 2013 February 18 > The February 8 issue of Science has information for authors on page 716 > but there I do not find style for units of measure. The on-line > information for authors likewise does not give style for units of measure. > > So, can you please send me the style that Science wants for units of > measure and where I can find it on-line. > > I hope that Science has a style such as this: > > Units of measure must be SI metric. Direct quoted text may > have non SI units if such units are in the original text. > Non-SI units in parentheses are not to appear after SI units. > > Thank you. > Robert H. Bushnell PhD PE > 502 Ord Drive > Boulder, CO 80303-4732 > 303-554-0827 > roberthb...@comcast.net >
[USMA:52366] Why we failed RE: Re: milliliters exclusively instead of teaspoons
JM Steele, Paul Trusten sirs:>However, I learned "metric" as at least a somewhat coherent system in high school chemistry and physics, and as MKSA (meter/kilogram/second/ampere) in college where its coherence was emphasized.>.That was new direction and the textbook for our fifth term of physics had not been re-written to comply -- very confusing.1988 Omni-Bus move to adopt Metric System had the intension that in due course, the Preferred system of Units - Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites (SI in all languages) was intended with good intentions BUT fell 'to adopt, if necessary'. Unfortunately, there were NO Fedral directions. It is here some work need be EMPHASISED and the portals of education are not left with the choice, if necessary to adopt the PREFERRED 'System of Units'.During my visit to US during mid-eighty's, I had met several concerned organisations, including a visit to the World Calendar Association Office, then in New York. I did sent several letters to 'some concerned people'. Thes incude: THINK METRIC: Letters: Re-Definition of Mass-Weight Standard; Standards Engineering, Minnesota (USA); 1983 August; pp 79 & 83 IDLE THOUGHTS: Standards Engineering , Minnesota (USA); 1983 December; pp 129 Need certainly exist for IMPLEMENTATION and "some directions" from the Fedral government for strict implementation rather than work for 'Profit Areas only'. I can understand that THINK TANKS felt that as long a solution for Time & arc-angle were not found, the efforts may prove futile; like my re-emphasising to UNDERSTAND the Metric System in relation with relevance to the Length Unit *METRE*. Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_deci-sec-nu-mtr.pdf and my calendar proposal to shift the day of July 31st as February 29th (in 4 equal quarters) and keep 365th day outside of calendar format, and the leap day between June 30th & July 01st.I feel, TIME is ripe for the desired switch to Metrication in United States! Regards,Brij Bhushan Vij Saturday, 2013 February 16H17:01(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 11:56:24 -0800 From: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [USMA:52365] Re: milliliters exclusively instead of teaspoons To: usma@colostate.edu I received my BSEE in 1966 and it was never called SI, or the International System of Units. However, I learned "metric" as at least a somewhat coherent system in high school chemistry and physics, and as MKSA (meter/kilogram/second/ampere) in college where its coherence was emphasized. The work of Giorgi in incorporating electical units into mks was specifically discussed, and our physics courses weren't to use cgs units. That was new direction and the textbook for our fifth term of physics had not been re-written to comply -- very confusing. A few minor details changed but the differences between MKSA approved by the CIPM in 1946 and the formal approval of the SI in 1960 are really negligible. Certainly the kelvin, the mole, and the candela (candle back then) were all well known and used before incorporation into the SI. From: Paul Trusten To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Sat, February 16, 2013 1:32:05 PM Subject: [USMA:52364] Re: milliliters exclusively instead of teaspoons Great question, Martin. I'll have to find out. I got my pharmacist license during the Bicentennial, so much may have changed. I would he interested to know if is taught as a system approach. I would hope that it is in-depth if it is taught as part of a pre-professional curriculum, since it would have to be adopted for use there by younger students who would then branch off into different healthcare disciplines (medicine, dentistry, pharmacy, nursing, medical laboratory science, radiology, r
[USMA:52354] Vipratipala vs Helek RE: 1 giga-light-meter = 1 helek !
Karl, Cc sirs:>In one vipratipala, Earth turns about 1/2400 nautical mile or 0.7716 Metres or just over 30 inches.Thanks for THIS! My working, thus had been based on 'bridging the time units & those of circular arc units' via the New Metre, sirs.But, the point I have is the consideration (for Reform of Gregorian calendar): KEEP THE HOUR/DEGREE & DAY/WEEKS/YEAR as we know. BUT change the durations of Minutes:Seconds::Decimal Minutes:Decimal Seconds tuned with TIME units & in relation with circular Arc units to be of use in science; the only other thing I change is the SHIFTING of the day July 31st to 2nd month, as February 29th (all years); and use the calendar with Leap Days (div.4/skip128-years) OR with Leap Weeks (896-years/11082 lunation; or 834-years/10315 lunation) to give improved Mean Year value. Mean lunation can be worked using 19-year/235 lunation (5x47 combination) and aligned to the Cycle of Precession of Equinoxes as discussed on list.Smaller units of Decimal Second & Helek need be reconciled, during working of specialist jobs/experts.Brij Bhushan Vij Monday, 2013 February 11H14:71(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:11:24 + From: karl.pal...@stfc.ac.uk Subject: Re: 1 giga-light-meter = 1 helek ! To: calnd...@listserv.ecu.edu Dear Calendar People Putting aside the fact that the Vedic units are defined as a fraction of a sidereal day, while the Helek is defined as a fraction of a night-day cycle, the Helek is 2000 vipratipala. Also the vipratipala is also 1/600 second = 1/10 of a ‘third’. In one vipratipala, Earth turns about 1/2400 nautical mile or 0.7716 Metres or just over 30 inches. Karl 13(06(01 From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List [mailto:calnd...@listserv.ecu.edu] On Behalf Of Brij Bhushan Vij Sent: 10 February 2013 00:12 To: calnd...@listserv.ecu.edu Subject: Re: 1 giga-light-meter = 1 helek ! Walter Ziobro, Cc sirs: >This unit implies a mean solar day of 25,920 giga-light-meters, which >co-incidentally, is one helek in traditional Hebrew time >measurement. (A >helek is defined as 1/1080 of an hour, which yields 24 x 1080 = 25,920 heleks >in a day.) In my recent post, I had shown that Vedic Day/current Day duration had a common link via "vipratipala" as: Thus, Vedic day had been divided into (24*216x100x100) or 5184 ‘vipratipala’. Please note: 5*216 =1080 units. And, [86400 x 600 -seconds] vipratipala :: [216 x 24 - Decimal Seconds] vipratipala >The light-meter would be the time it takes light to travel one meter. -- Scanned by iCritical.
[USMA:52340] The French Clock - its New Look RE: NEW FRENCH CLOCK
Walter Peterson, Cc sirs:While the New French Clock SPEAKS of my published contributions, and discussions on the list serv, this may only give the impression that it were the French who proposed such a clock. In my response to Irv (on Calndr-L) and USMA, I reproduce: " [USMA: 52316] First Time Ever 24hx100mdx100sd RE: Re: Metric Petition mentioned in this week\'s Time magazine.Brij Bhushan Vij (metric...@hotmail.com) Schedule cleanup 2/04/13 To: U.S. Metric AssociationFrom:owner-u...@colostate.edu on behalf of Brij Bhushan Vij (metric...@hotmail.com)Sent:Mon 2/04/13 4:59 PMTo: U.S. Metric Association (usma@colostate.edu) John Frewstone, Kilopascal, list sirs: >.I haven't seen a Time magazine in ages. >The plain fact is, something that the US will NEVER be able to change, >however much it wants to... It was unfortunate that "Prieur Cote d'Or" failed to pressurise Empror Napoleon to merge Time & Calendar and link THIS with arc-angle. To me it appears that Empror was not advised the need to 'relate merger of Time Units with those of Arc-Angle i.e. the Hour-Angle'; like I did in my base paper The Metric Second (1973) linked to my contribution Metric Norms for Time Standard (1971). In my post to Calndr-L, on Tue 1/29/13 5:01 PM I wrote: "RE: Why do Jewish diary publishers give "translated" moladot in civil time, 12-hour notation?Brij Bhushan Vij (metric...@hotmail.com)5:01 PM XX X"I assume you have seen this mail, on calendar-L link. AND, have links with my past works in India. The clock may have its New Name:*The French Clock - its New Look* by Brij VijThis certainly shall go a long way in promoting US cause to go Metric - the whole Hog-Way: since THIS Clock Time is directly related to my Proposed Nautical Kilometre. Please see my contribution: Need to Revise Length Unit for Decimalisation of the Hour in Relation to Angular Degree and World Decimal Calendar with Leap Weeks; Proceedings of International Conference on Advances in Metrology and its Role in Quality Improvement and Global Trade; Document No. 78; pp. 408-11; National Physical Laboratory, New Delhi; 1996 February 20-22.Regards, to you and all list members,Brij Bhushan Vij Thursday, 2013 February 07H17:85(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 12:51:02 -0800 From: petersonwal...@yahoo.com Subject: NEW FRENCH CLOCK To: calnd...@listserv.ecu.edu NEW FRENCH CLOCK Dear Calendarists: It occurred to me during recent discussions about decimal time keeping how the attempt to reform the clock during the French Revolution might have been more successful if they had modeled the new clock after the the new calendar. That is, instead of insisting on dividing the day into 10 "hours" they had divided it into 12 periods (douziemes), with 36 sub-periods (decades), 3 each per douzieme, of 10 degrees (degre) each, for a total of 360 degrees, which could then be sub-divided decimally. In this way, the clock would mirror the format of the proposed calendar (360 days, of 36 decades, of 12 months). The douziemes could be named in a scheme similar to the months. An example, with suitably French sounding names, could be: Midnight to 2 AM: Minuitose 2 AM to 4 AM: Noiritose 4 AM to 6 AM: Auroritose 6 AM to 8 AM: Montal 8 AM to 10 AM: Matinal 10 AM to Noon: Finmatinal Noon to 2 PM: Mididor 2 PM to 4 PM: Apremidor 4 PM to 6 PM: Couchidor 6 PM to 8 PM: Crepuscaire 8 PM to 10 PM: Soiraire 10 PM to Midnight: Nuitaire -Bonjour! -Walter Ziobro
[USMA:52337] Nautical Kilometre RE: METRIC TIME MEASUREMENT
Walter Ziobro, sir:>.Therefore, the fundamental unit of decimal metric time ought to be the time it takes light to travel one meter. I am not sure if YOU "grasp rightly" the term METRIC vs Decimal notation. To me Metric is What is related to METRE! Please see, my base contribution: The Metric Second; V25 N4; pp. 152-157 published through Bureau of Indian Standards, New Delhi in April 1973; inclusive of the term Nautical Kilometre derived from 'hypothetical Earth' with 4-qyardants of 100-metric degrees (grads) BUT that would also mean changing the trigonometric functions and other allied equivalenets.My later works directed me to examine: Why not keep 90-degree quadrant x 100' x100" and rework the entire concepts, defining The term - Decimal Second = 1/24th of the day? This ensure the Day, Weeks, current months in Gregorian calendar, Year UNCHANGED and the calendar be capable to operate with 128-years, 400-years, 834-years, 896-years cycles providing the BEST possible Mean Year values! More so, this link the ancient Time count and the current time counts: 86400 x 600 sub-units :: 24 x 216. The Decimal (time) second and circular measure 90*60'x60" are equated to 90*100' x100"(decimal) i.e. 324000" are 90"(decimal) - in circular measure making astronomy easier.Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Wednesday, 2013 February 06H17:12(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 12:37:24 -0800 From: petersonwal...@yahoo.com Subject: METRIC TIME MEASUREMENT To: calnd...@listserv.ecu.edu METRIC TIME MEASUREMENT There has been some discussion on this list of late about decimal metric time-keeping. It seems to me that a pure system of decimal metric time must be universal. By that I mean across the entire known cosmos. The most universal measure of time is derived from the speed of light. Therefore, the fundamental unit of decimal metric time ought to be the time it takes light to travel one meter. This has been measured as 1/299792448 of a second. We shall call this unit of time the light-meter (lm). This converts to 3.335641 nanoseconds (ns). Therefore, 3.335641 SI seconds would equal 1 giga-light-meter (Glm). For the sake of convenience, I shall round this to 3 1/3 SI seconds. Consequently, given that there are, on average, 86,400 SI seconds in a mean solar day, there would be 25,920 giga-light-meters (86,400/3....), or if you prefer, 25.920 tera-light- meters (Tlm) in a mean solar day. Now, if we are going to use a time keeping system that's independent of the earth, or any celestial body or cycle, we can simply start counting giga-light-meters, independently of terrestrial solar days or tropical years. It would be like a digital clock that would show a tera-light-meter every .... seconds, or every 55.... minutes, or every 0.925925925... hours. What should be the epoch of such a system? We could start at the calculated point of the Big Bang (13.772+/- 0.059 billion years, or 4.346+/-0.019*10**17 seconds ago), but there's a problem with that: the uncertainty of 59 million years. What to do? IMHO, the best solution is to count the light-meters from noon of January 1, 4713 BCE (Julian), the epoch of the Julian day numbers, and just tack on the 4.346*10**17 seconds, or 130.38*10**24 light-meters to the seconds, or light-meters that have elapsed since 4713 BCE. In this way, we can count precisely the seconds, or light-meters that have taken place since the Julian day count began, and just cobble onto it the best estimate of the age of the universe currently calculated, ignoring the uncertainty. I calculate that there have been 63.66746448 exa-light-meters (Elm) From noon, January 1, 4713 BCE, to noon, January 1,
[USMA:52316] First Time Ever 24hx100mdx100sd RE: Re: Metric Petition mentioned in this week\'s Time magazine.
John Frewstone, Kilopascal, list sirs:>.I haven't seen a Time magazine in ages.>The plain fact is, something that the US will NEVER be able to change, however much it wants to...It was unfortunate that "Prieur Cote d'Or" failed to pressurise Empror Napoleon to merge Time & Calendar and link THIS with arc-angle. To me it appears that Empror was not advised the need to 'relate merger of Time Units with those of Arc-Angle i.e. the Hour-Angle'; like I did in my base paper The Metric Second (1973) linked to my contribution Metric Norms for Time Standard (1971). In my post to Calndr-L, on Tue 1/29/13 5:01 PM I wrote: " RE: Why do Jewish diary publishers give "translated" moladot in civil time, 12-hour notation? Brij Bhushan Vij (metric...@hotmail.com) 5:01 PM To: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List From: Brij Bhushan Vij (metric...@hotmail.com) Sent: Tue 1/29/13 5:01 PM To: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List (calnd...@listserv.ecu.edu) Irv, sir: >.In other words, they would not be taken seriously by any time or astronomy expert. I discoivered while processing the publication of my BASE document: The METRIC SECOND (1973) that Cote d'Or possibly inadvertantly or delibrtely left OUT to merge TIME with Circular arc angle, which defeated the cause of French Republican calendar within 13-years of active operation. Was Empror Napoleon to blame? My developing The Metric/Decimal Calendar Year was in continuation: DECIMAL SYSTEM OF CALENDAR; Lok Sabha Question # 8100; Answered by Shri Jagjivan Ram (Minister of Defence, Government of India); 1974 April 25MEET:BRIJ BHUSHAN VIJ (Editorial Interview): The HINDU, Bangalore; 1976 December 06;METRIC CLOCK/CALENDAR DEVISED BY IAF ENGINEER; Parliamentary Question # 10066; Directed to The Prime Minister of India; Answered by Shri Shivraj Patil; Minister of State for Science & Technology; 1983 May 04 Agreed, I had not realised the value of CALENDAR CYCLES for the years by then; but my working for 896-year cycle had been developed between 1985-1990; BUT published in 1992-93/94: Metric, Sidereal or Decimal Calendar; Standards Engineer, New Delhi V26 N2-5; pp. 44-47; 1992 April –1993 March; Bureau of Indian Standards, New Delhi; Need to Revise Length Unit for Decimalisation of the Hour in Relation to Angular Degree and World Decimal Calendar with Leap Weeks; Proceedings of International Conference on Advances in Metrology and its Role in Quality Improvement and Global Trade; Document No. 78; pp. 408-11; National Physical Laboratory, New Delhi; 1996 February 20-22. I recall, one of Karl's mail asking me if 896-year cycle had 159 Leap Weeks, to which I did respond "YES" that it was slightly longer than 159 Weeks (327257.0019441238 days). Placeing and distribution as DIVIDE SIX were also published then though Indian Standards - I think in Standards Engineer!"Thus, it was in 1973 that I built the concept of MERGING Time units with Angular measure as:90*x60' x60" ::100 metric degree x100' x100" (in the Quadrant) to define The Nautical Kilometre on Earth! This has now been EXTENDED to my calendar format: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_fbUNday-week.pdfas 90-degree quardant x 60' x60" :: 90-degree quadrant x100 md x100sd *in order to define a replacement to Nautical Mile with that of Nautical Kilometre, using decimalised Time of the HOUR in relation to (Pi/180 i.e. one degree). Also see: Indian Claims He Has Succeeded in Decimalising Time Scale: Patriot, New Delhi; 1996 March 21 In response to Irv's sub-distribution of the second into 1080 parts, I presented that THIS WAS THE SAME as liked to 5*216 =1080; and that 24 x216 :: 86400 : 600 having links with ancient India's time-subunits! To me it appears that 24 decimal seconds day/night was more practical AND condusive to current move on Reform of the Gregorian calendar in use for International use by ALL nations. Thus, any distribution of 24-Hour day can be linked to similar sub-division of the Day, if and only if, these are inter-related to Time & circular arc-units, as discussed with the TWO-listservs.Regards to all experts, Brij Bhushan Vij Monday, 2013 February 04H16:96(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:3
[USMA:52309] Re: The Metric System, the United States of America, and Scientific Literacy | Sci-Ed
John F-Lord, sir:>.But saying either 1.82 m or 182 cm is equally valid..Technically there is NO problem, BUT confusion: the statement be said:(a) 1.82m be spoken: One Metre 8..2 (centimetre) - parenthesis may be removed when speaking for short - to save time;(b) 182 cm seems valid if spoken as "one eighty-two centimetres". I am not agrammer expert, however, but confusion can be reduced.Regards, Sunday, 2013 February 03H21:59(decimal)EST Brij Bhushan Vij Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) From: j...@frewston.plus.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:52302] Re: The Metric System, the United States of America, and Scientific Literacy | Sci-Ed Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 23:04:42 + With no link to the article, I cannot determine in what context the opening statement was made. But saying either 1.82 m or 182 cm is equally valid. In both cases, it can be verbally expressed as ‘one-eighty-two’. I don’t see a problem. John F-L From: cont...@metricpioneer.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:55 PM To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:52301] Re: The Metric System, the United States of America, and Scientific Literacy | Sci-Ed The article starts off with: "Here’s a quick quiz: I weigh 71 kilograms, and am about 1.82 meters tall" I think the common way of measuring human height is, for example, 182 cm, but not as the example given in the article. I think the person writing the article should have done a little more research before getting off on the wrong foot. David Pearl MetricPioneer.com 503-428-4917 > Very timely and the writer works at the Smithsonian! Great comics > > http://blogs.plos.org/scied/2013/01/28/the-metric-system-united-states-of-america-and-scientific-literacy/ > > > Sent from my iPad > > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6072 - Release Date: 01/31/13
[USMA:52136] Bravo RE: Fwd: [SI] viral White House petition on U.S. metrication
Paul, sir(s):>.324 signatures to go,..This is only indicative that US Congress & trade are WILLING to complete the process of Metricating, leading US to accept Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites; and start teaching into the Portals of Education, at Graduate & Post graduate levels so tomorrow's technocrats STOP import of 'half trained personnel' and promote self training, to reduce OUTSOURCING.Regards, SIncerelyBrij Bhushan Vij Thursday, 2013 January 10H15:53(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) > Subject: [USMA:52135] Fwd: [SI] viral White House petition on U.S. > metrication > From: trus...@grandecom.net > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:14:23 -0600 > To: usma@colostate.edu > > With only 324 signatures to go, this thing may reach the threshold in a few > hours! > >
[USMA:52026] Decimal vs Decimale TIME RE: Re: Sent to WSJ....
Natalie & all:>Date and time are not decimal, but unfortunately nothing can be done about that.AND, Why Not I argued some 40-years ago in my contribution: Metric Norms for Time Standards published through (now) Bureau of Indian Standards - see: Metric Norms for Time Standard; Standards Engineer, Bureau of Indian Standards; V5 N4; 1971 Oct.-Dec.; pp 58-62and now I propose to COUNT Time of the HOUR and in link with arc-Angle we may have the day distribution as: 12/24h:100md:100sd::12/24h:60m:60sAlso please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_deci-sec-nu-mtr.pdfmy approach to new definitions for the Decimalised Time of the HOUR in link with arc-angle (Pi/180). The reason for failure of French approach to Decimale Time lies here, is my view! Regards,Brij Bhushan Vij Friday, 2012 November 30H15:08(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) From: sunhe...@fastmail.net To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:52025] Re: Sent to WSJ Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:04:18 -0700 Natalie, It is my impression that most people in the US don't really know any units of measure. Thanks for the information on the school. Helen On Thu, Nov 29, 2012, at 12:53, Natalia Permiakova wrote: Hi Helen, The school is one of science and math school of nine specialized high schools in NYC. Don't get me wrong, kids there know metric system and can convert imperial-to-imperial, or metric-to-imperial. But my point is that studying metric in school without seeing it in every day life as a primary system is a like studying a foreign language. I think that kids understand decimals very well and before any other measurements when they learn to count and when they start to use money. But with imperial system even adults are confused (though it doesn't seem they care ;-) ). Also, using imperial system narrows scope of problems that can be used in math/computer problems or adds calculating steps to the solution. for example, how to calculate an average h
[USMA:52020] Ease vs Utility of SI RE: Re: Celsius Temperatures Are So Convenient
Sirs:>Our USMA member Paul Trusten should love this! In the Fahreheit >scale, human body temperature is at an awkward 98.6. Now I have trained >myself to think in Celsius. Not only Paul but every 'right mined American shouild' start Thinking WHAT IS RIGHT or our county?It is true the ase of operative parameters demand and re-confirm that Metric system has proved more logical and constructive that 'imperial uits that is now undermining the impact of Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites (SI).A better result shal be seen through study of a sample of High School children who have understood SI Metric Units and are struggling to 'forget the use & ease' of SIwhile meeting their task lines! Why would chldren not follow the SI system of they know the "dying imperial system of Units" is on its fade end.WE MST LOOK FOR EASE to use the Metric System; rather crete difficulty in NOT FORGETTING the units in use. Regards,Brij Bhushan Vij Wednesday, 2012 November 28H17:69(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) > Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:39:48 -0800 > From: c...@traditio.com > To: usma@colostate.edu > CC: valerie.anto...@verizon.net > Subject: [USMA:52018] Re: Celsius Temperatures Are So Convenient > > The Celsius scale is so convenient that it is a shame so many troglodytes > still wrestle with the Fahrenheit scale. At 0 water freezes; at 100 it > boils. 10 is cool, 20 is comfortable, 30 is warm, and 40 is hot. Human > body temperature is 37, low-grade fever 38, high fever 39, very high fever > 40. Our USMA member Paul Trusten should love this! In the Fahreheit > scale, human body temperature is at an awkward 98.6. Now I have trained > myself to think in Celsius and have to do mental conversions to > Fahrenheit. > > I have instruments throughout my house displaying only in degrees Celsius. > What a boon digital instruments are that make metric-only display now so > easy. I particularly recommend the instruments that Accurite makes, which > are inexpensive and have all-metric options. They are available at > Walmart and through Amazon.com. > > Several online sites are also available, which can be set in metric-only. > My favorite is weatherunderground.com, in which *everything* is properly > metricated, thanks to our USMA member, Paul Hillger. Weatherundergound > also lets you set your display to local weather stations, even backyard > stations in your immediate area, all of which are displayed in the metric > options. > > Martin Morrison > "Metric Today" Metric Training & Education Columnist > > > > On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, Martin Vlietstra wrote: > > > Living in a cold climate, surely 0C makes more sense than 0F. At > 0C water freezes! >
[USMA:51888] British India RE: Re: 'Bobcat'
Martin Vliestra, all Sirs:>.'Bobcat'. He makes the absurd claim that (Imperial (and USC) are based on the duodecimal system. The only factors involving 12 are 1 >foot = 12 inches and 1 troy pound = is 12 troyI recall some of earlier communications with USMA listserv. I had my birth in British India (1936) and learnt of ancient units during my childhood.A Yard (length) had 36 inches = 16 Girgha; the Rupee (coins) =16 annas =64 paisa; the Seer (weight) =16 chhatank [x5 tolas] etc.The distance KOS was around 1¼ mile (closely related to 2000 metre). Circumference of Earth is around 36000 miles in close relation to 4 Km. Please also see: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_deci-sec-nu-mtr.pdfRegards,Brij Bhushan Vij Sunday, 2012 September 09H19:39(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) From: vliets...@btinternet.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:51886] Re: 'Bobcat' Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 20:16:46 +0100 The strange factors in the mile and acre are due to a change in the definition of the foot in mediaeval times. Somewhere between 1266 and 1303 the North German foot of 335 mm was replaced by the Roman foot of 305 mm, a reduction of 10/11. (In some parts of Germany, the “foot” is known as the “shoe”. From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of John M. Steele Sent: 09 September 2012 11:35 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:51885] Re: 'Bobcat' And the minute and second (based on division by 5 x 12 = 60) bring such joy to time and angle calculations. I think we can all envision how "great" that would be. 5280 ft/3 = 1760 ft, no problem there. Of course there is a problem if you take the mile as 1760 yd. You guys never should have given up the Queen Anne wine gallon. At 231 in³, it is convenient divisable into thirds, sevenths, and elevenths (not by 12 though). Curiously, the mile is also divisible by 11 (so is the acre). Obviously, the rod should have been 11 yd, but it was too hard to carry and someone cut it in half. I would also seven's prominent role in matters of weight. It is a divisor of Imperial stone, hundredweight, and ton (not Customary, however) and the 7000 grains in an av. pound. While there factors of three (and binary powers), I can probably find as many factors of 5, 7, 11. I'm sure your friend, Bobcat, prefers common fractions to decimal. Perhaps if he just realized a millimeter is a convenient 5/127 of an inch, he would find it more acceptable. --- On Sun, 9/9/12, H. Maenen wrote: From: H. Maenen Subject: [USMA:51884] 'Bobcat' To: "U.S. Metric Association" Date: Sunday, September 9, 2012, 3:41 AMOne of the Luddite commentators on the article about the Fahrenheit thermometer is a certain 'Bobcat'. He makes the absurd claim that (Imperial (and USC) are based on the duodecimal system. The only factors involving 12 are 1 foot = 12 inches and 1 troy pound = is 12 troy ounces. Most of these units have binary factors. Try to divide two of the basic units of Imperial, the gallon and the pound avoirdupois, by 3! Try to divide the mile or the long ton by 3! If we were ever to trade in decimal for duodecimal, it would be very, very costly indeed, and that just because 10 cannot be divided by 3. And many 'Imperialists' suffer under the delusion that if we did that, metric would perish (as it would) and Imperial would reign triumphant. It would be a rude shock for them that Imperial would be doomed as well. An entirely new system of units would be built, based on numbers like 1 - 9, Y, Z, 10. Han
[USMA:51881] TPT & Reforms RE: FW: "Destination American" Metricated
John Altounji sir: >> Social promotion ruined Education.I agree with you, sir. BUT 'social sites - >> the facebook or similar' can make a self start and make a UNIQUE impact to >> make America the Metric nation. If I can but-in with some of my thought - >> the best would be to SELF START, I mean if all listserv experts take the >> pledge:"Henceforth I shall THINK, PRACTISE and TEACH SI Metric Units" United >> states has already won the METRICATION battle & notice the impact in SI >> Metric education, in generations to come. It is unfortunate President Barrak >> Obama is still struggling with 'Economic Reforms' and has some reluctance in >> granting to GO AHEAD on Metric front and/or Reform of the calendar question >> that boggs United Nations, since Papal correction of 1582.IT IS TIME, the >> media shouldred this responsibility - especially between October 01 thro >> December 21 this year! The New calendar like the one at: >> http://www.brijvij.com/bb_fbUNday-week.pdfRegards,Brij Bhushan Vij Saturday, 2013 September 8H13:43(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) > From: phy...@msn.com > To: usma@colostate.edu > Subject: [USMA:51879] FW: "Destination American" Metricated > Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 20:39:35 -0700 > > On the other hand, I was watching "factory made" on the science channel and > everything is in customary units. Sad for such a good program. > I wonder if there is a way to influence the media that uses science to be > metric. > > John Altounji > One size does not fit all. > Social promotion ruined Education. > > -Original Message- > From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf > Of c...@traditio.com > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 9:51 AM > To: U.S. Metric Association > Subject: [USMA:51877] "Destination American" Metricated > > I was surprised to stumble on a cable series, produced by the Discovery > Channel, called "Destination America." This particular segment treated of > 9/11. All distances mentioned, including driving distances by car, were > given in kilometres. In addition, the word itself was pronounced properly, > with the accent on the first syllable of the prefix. If only the Discovery > Channel would do all of its series in this way! >
[USMA:51862] Moon colonisers RE: Neil Armstrong 1930-2012
Paul, sir:Humans have dreamt of colonising the Moon; and Neil Armstrong was the FIRST human to set his 'foot print' on Moon surface. Man shall remember his devotionto 'conquor - man's quest' and wait for space travel become a reality in NOT a distant future, at least in dream land! He was 82-years =29950 days/4278-4/7 Weeks/ 1014¼ lunation. Pope Gregory XIII is getting restless for his realisation to the new format of REFORMED calendar http://www.brijvij.com/bb_sid-solar.364-day-cal.pdf Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Sunday, 2012 August 26H15:03(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) From: trus...@grandecom.net To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:51861] Neil Armstrong 1930-2012 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:41:06 -0500 The space pioneer, Neil Armstrong, the first human to set foot on the moon (Apollo 11, U.S. mission, July 1969), died today at age 82.
[USMA:51807] July 31 RE: Letters to the Editor
Bruce, sirs:BRAVO, Time to THINK prtogressive!DO WE NEED TO KEEP THIS DAY "July 31" in the Gregorian calendar from Year 2013. Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_sid-solar.364-day-cal.pdf SInecerly, Brij Bhushan Vij Tuesday, 2012 July 31H13:96(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:46:53 + > From: a-bruie...@lycos.com > To: usma@colostate.edu > Subject: [USMA:51806] Letters to the Editor > > In the opinion piece 'Is Algebra Necessary?' of July 28, one way of helping > out the students in math and science is to reduce our two measurement systems > down to only ONE SYSTEM, SI. Why are we still wasting teaching time and money > on the antiquated American Imperial System of Measurement? The World runs on > the Metric System, not Fractions of 12 or 16, only decibels of 10! If current > American companies need their employees to know the Antiquated American > Imperial System, then the company should teach it to them, for our current > students they only need to know the Metric System, Period. > > Bruce E. Arkwright, Jr > 620 West 4th St > Erie PA > 814 806 1010 > Linux and Metric User and Enforcer > > > I will only invest in nukes that are 150 gigameters away. How much solar > energy have you collected today? > Id put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope > we dont have to wait til oil and coal run out before we tackle that. I wish I > had a few more years left. -- Thomas Edison♽☯♑ >
[USMA:51779] RE: behavior change
Robert sirs:>.I hope some one can find in this review ways to get >the US to stop using inch-pound units. While Metrication is the NEED for US 'of the hour' & 'for the people', social networking is the media through which *communication need be enforced*. Somehow, it shall be futile exercise rather 'demaging' the ongoing process of Metrication/or adoption of Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites (SI) in day-to-day life if SOCIAL NETWORKING were to overtake - the changing pattern.IT IS THINK, DIGEST and APPLY process into daily activities that may result SI to get into the blood-stream of children from school-to-college and into adult hood; thus catch-word is THINK METRIC!My SIncere regards,Brij Bhushan Vij Saturday, 2012 July 21H16:99(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) > From: roberthb...@comcast.net > Subject: [USMA:51778] behavior change > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:16:48 -0600 > To: usma@colostate.edu > > 2012 July 20 > To all USMA people, > In the 6 July 2012 issue of Science there is a review > of Network Interventions by Thomas W. Valente called > "Network Interventions" about the process of behavior change, > Vol 337 page 49. > Social networks influence behavior. People can be > influenced by their social networks to adopt new practices. > I do not know if we in USMA have or are a social network > but I hope some one can find in this review ways to get > the US to stop using inch-pound units. > We tend to be technical people so we are probably > not good with a social matter. So, please help. Let us > know if there are things in this review that can help > speed up the change to SI. > Thanks. > Robert Bushnell >
[USMA:51751] RE: crazy Olde English measurements
Bill, sir:>== >SImplification Begins With SI.>== >Clearance 10' 3" ft.This could be easily tranlated as 3m 125cm (soft conversion) or 3.124 m (hard conversion) Brij Bhushan Vij Friday, 2012 July 07H14:63(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) From: billhoope...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 19:20:57 -0400 Subject: [USMA:51746] crazy Olde English measurements To: usma@colostate.edu I recently spotted a couple example of how Ye Olde English measures does more to confuse than it does to inform. One example is a pair of signs on Interstate 95 near the Jacksonville fFlorida airport. The two adjacent signs state: East Beltway 850 feet, and West Beltway 1/4 mile OK, which exit comes first? Quickly, all you have to do is calculate how many feet in a quarter mile or what fraction of a mile is 850 feet, while driving at the speed limit of 120 km/h (OK, that's 75 mph) in traffic. Good luck taking the correct exit! The second example is a sign in a bus to warn people not to bump their heads. The sign displays: Clearance10' 3" ft. No misunderstanding there; you are certain that it is meaningless. I don't even know how I would read that. Regards,Bill HooperJacksonville FL, USA== SImplification Begins With SI.==
[USMA:51745] Dual Standards - the cause RE: Re: Units in brain ticklers
John sir:>.but dual label as 216 x 279 mm as well as 8.5 x 11 inches.This 'hard conversion' is really the cuase of delayed/failure of the METRIC REFORMS in United States.It is possibly the soft conversions i.e. 215 mm x 280 mm as 'dual use of units' which can play for use/promotion of Metric Units in US.The topic had been under discussion some years ago BUT 'metric experts' hardly realise that delay in implementation of Metric usage is in link withbuilt-up of US economy that has not looked up, as yet.SIncerly,Brij Bhushan Vij for Thursday, 2012 July 05H13:56(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 17:03:26 -0700 From: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [USMA:51744] Re: Units in brain ticklers To: usma@colostate.edu Not even that. The proposal is to continue US Letter paper, but dual label as 216 x 279 mm as well as 8.5 x 11 inches. --- On Wed, 7/4/12, a-bruie...@lycos.com wrote: From: a-bruie...@lycos.com Subject: [USMA:51743] Re: Units in brain ticklers To: "U.S. Metric Association" Date: Wednesday, July 4, 2012, 6:12 PM How silly is that there is no need for new "equipment", just readjustment of the cutter, metric paper is smaller in width and longer in height. Just like dry wall, they can cut it to any length, they please. Bruce E. Arkwright, Jr Erie PA Linux and Metric User and Enforcer I will only invest in nukes that are 150 gigameters away. How much solar energy have you collected today? Id put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we dont have to wait til oil and coal run out before we tackle that. I wish I had a few more years left. -- Thomas Edison♽☯♑ Jul 3, 2012 10:06:39 PM, roberthb...@comcast.net wrote: === 2012 July 3 I have not found a way to see standards other than buying them. So, I do not see them. ASTM headquarters is not ready to use metric. I asked them to list the size of publications in millimeters. They answered that they would not pay the cost of changing to new cutting equipment for publications. I did not ask them to change the size. This is a psychological problem. I guess we need to get the elected officers to tell the staff to work on changing to millimeters. Staff needs to figure out how to do it. Find reasonably close millimeter numbers for 8.5" x 11". They would not tell me the standard for inch page sizes so I do not know the tolerance. But I think a whole millimeter number will be close enough without new cutters. Let's keep trying. Robert Bushnell On Jul 3, 2012, at 9:14 AM, mechtly, eugene a wrote: > Excellent request Bob! > > Do we have a way to survey the percentage of SI in ASTM Standards? > As Committee E43, do we have review access to publications without having to > buy each of them? > > Eugene Mechtly > > > From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [owner-u...@colostate.edu] on behalf of Robert > H. Bushnell [roberthb...@comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 4:34 PM > To: U.S. Metric Association > Cc: USMA > Subject: [USMA:51733] Units in brain ticklers > >2012 July 2 > Curt Gomulinski > TAU BETA PI >I see a bunch of inch-pound units in the brain ticklers > in the Summer 2012 issue of the Bent. Can you help us all by using > only metric units? > >The US is way behind the rest of the world in use of metric > units. The Bent can help by showing it's readers (the best > engineers) where metric numbers fit in all kinds of problems. > >Please add your influence to getting rid of inch-pound numbers. > Thanks, >Robert H. Bushnell >Ohio Gamma 1945 >
[USMA:51740] Re: Units in brain ticklers
John Steel, sir(s):>ASTM headquarters is not ready to use metric. I asked them to >list the size of publications in millimeters. They answered that >they would not pay the cost of changing to new cutting equipment >for publications. I did not ask them to change the size. I may not appear to be with 'opinion' of hard metrication group; BUT to make the start 'Changing the cutting size of paper'. Keeping the cutting size same and adjusting machine cutting to reasonable limits; it is not difficult <8.5" x 11"> can be considered as: 215 mm x 280 mm and understood as such. There may not be much of loss in 'trimming or catting waste' usable in recycled pulp!Today is INDEPENDENCE DAY of United States to be celebrated all over as 'Fourth of July'. Problem is there but NOT enough to derail the METRICATION process!SIncerly, Brij Bhushan Vij Wednesday, 2012 July 04H13:63(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 04:35:54 -0700 From: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [USMA:51738] Re: Units in brain ticklers To: usma@colostate.edu CC: usma@colostate.edu I would make two observations: *Virtually all the copier/printer paper I buy is labelled in dual. "Letter" is apparently 216 × 279 mm to the paper industry. If it is good enough for them, it should suffice for ASTM. (I will admit that I REALLY appreciate many manufacturers listing the grammage too, as the Customary system of paper is completely incomprehensible) *The last time I had a copy of SI 10 (it was actually so old it was issued under dual ASTM/IEEE numbers), it seemed unduly focused on conversion. not on actually working in metric. So they can't practice what they preach? I also don't know the tolerances for US paper sizes, but for ISO-216, it varies with size, A4 would have a cutting tolerance of ±2 mm around the nominal, which is itself truncated to the lower millimeter from a mathematical expression. --- On Tue, 7/3/12, Robert H. Bushnell wrote: From: Robert H. Bushnell Subject: [USMA:51735] Re: Units in brain ticklers To: "U.S. Metric Association" Cc: "USMA" Date: Tuesday, July 3, 2012, 10:03 PM 2012 July 3 I have not found a way to see standards other than buying them. So, I do not see them. ASTM headquarters is not ready to use metric. I asked them to list the size of publications in millimeters. They answered that they would not pay the cost of changing to new cutting equipment for publications. I did not ask them to change the size. This is a psychological problem. I guess we need to get the elected officers to tell the staff to work on changing to millimeters. Staff needs to figure out how to do it. Find reasonably close millimeter numbers for 8.5" x 11". They would not tell me the standard for inch page sizes so I do not know the tolerance. But I think a whole millimeter number will be close enough without new cutters. Let's keep trying. Robert Bushnell On Jul 3, 2012, at 9:14 AM, mechtly, eugene a wrote: > Excellent request Bob! > > Do we have a way to survey the percentage of SI in ASTM Standards? > As Committee E43, do we have review access to publications without having to > buy each of them? > > Eugene Mechtly > > > From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [owner-u...@colostate.edu] on behalf of Robert > H. Bushnell [roberthb...@comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 4:34 PM > To: U.S. Metric Association > Cc: USMA > Subject: [USMA:51733] Units in brain ticklers > >2012 July 2 > Curt Gomulinski > TAU BETA PI >
[USMA:51736] Re: Units in brain ticklers
Let's keep trying. While the HEAT is ON and there is chance to win. Brij Bhushan Vij Tuesday, 2012 July 03H22:28(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) > Subject: [USMA:51735] Re: Units in brain ticklers > From: roberthb...@comcast.net > Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 20:03:31 -0600 > CC: usma@colostate.edu > To: usma@colostate.edu > > 2012 July 3 > I have not found a way to see standards other than buying them. > So, I do not see them. > > ASTM headquarters is not ready to use metric. I asked them to > list the size of publications in millimeters. They answered that > they would not pay the cost of changing to new cutting equipment > for publications. I did not ask them to change the size. > > This is a psychological problem. I guess we need to get > the elected officers to tell the staff to work on changing to > millimeters. Staff needs to figure out how to do it. Find > reasonably close millimeter numbers for 8.5" x 11". > They would not tell me the standard for inch page sizes so I > do not know the tolerance. But I think a whole millimeter > number will be close enough without new cutters. > > Let's keep trying. > Robert Bushnell > > > On Jul 3, 2012, at 9:14 AM, mechtly, eugene a wrote: > > > Excellent request Bob! > > > > Do we have a way to survey the percentage of SI in ASTM Standards? > > As Committee E43, do we have review access to publications without having > > to buy each of them? > > > > Eugene Mechtly > > > > > > From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [owner-u...@colostate.edu] on behalf of > > Robert H. Bushnell [roberthb...@comcast.net] > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 4:34 PM > > To: U.S. Metric Association > > Cc: USMA > > Subject: [USMA:51733] Units in brain ticklers > > > >2012 July 2 > > Curt Gomulinski > > TAU BETA PI > >I see a bunch of inch-pound units in the brain ticklers > > in the Summer 2012 issue of the Bent. Can you help us all by using > > only metric units? > > > >The US is way behind the rest of the world in use of metric > > units. The Bent can help by showing it's readers (the best > > engineers) where metric numbers fit in all kinds of problems. > > > >Please add your influence to getting rid of inch-pound numbers. > >Thanks, > >Robert H. Bushnell > >Ohio Gamma 1945 > > >
[USMA:51659] Time to SHELVE Mile RE: Fwd: "Bring Back the Mile" article
Harry Wyeth, sir(s): >Please, let's not move backward, but become standardized with the rest of the >world. The mile is, >thankfully, dead, at least. Mile had an EXCLUSIVE reign over the incoming Kilometre; which has slowly found favour with the Metric World (now almost 95% to 98%).BUT United States still drags the 'reform of Metric System' back to 'imperial non-SI system of units'. Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_shelving-NMile.pdf Not being practical to fall in tune with REST of the world, US little minds are STUCK with: What not to learn, position? It is time the USMA and policy makers decided on What to give the younger lot and INSTRUCT the teaching community 'inject the right spirit' into the YOUNG minds and gainfully employ these minds when they grow in productive force to ADOPT & IMPLEMENT the SI-Metric Units in day-to-day activity! Shelving the use of MILE for 'historical references' is a good idea. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Sunday, 2012 May 27H11:49(decimal)IST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com OR "GAYATRI LOK" Flat # 3013/3rd Floor NH-58, Kankhal Bypass, Dev-Bhoomi, HARIDWAR-249408 (Uttrakhand - INDIA) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 01:05:20 -0700 From: hbwy...@earthlink.net To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:51657] Fwd: "Bring Back the Mile" article This is an email I wrote to the Road Runners' Club of America about an article in their quarterly magazine for members of local running clubs in the U.S. The article may possibly be viewed here: http://issuu.com/rrcaexecdir/docs/cr-spring-lores?mode=window&pageNumber=2 but you may have to specify page 12. Or it may not work at all. HARRY WYETH Original Message Subject: "Bring Back the Mile" article Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 00:57:40 -0700 From: Harry Wyeth To: sh...@rrca.org The Road Runners' Club of America would do well to forcefully reject the proposition advanced in Duncan Larkin's article "Bring Back the Mile, America's Distance". Although interesting, his suggestion is totally wrong and misguided. Mr. Larkin is trapped in the past. Our country is the only country worth mentioning that clings to the outmoded "English" measurement system. No one else in the entire world gives much of a hoot about the mile, much less knows what one is. International track, the Olympics, American college track, and almost all U.S. high school track has moved on to the international 1500 meter (or 1600 m) standard. Why would one want to introduce an unusual "mile" distance into a high school meet with otherwise all-metric distances? Why would the author want to have high schools in California reject the standard 1600 m distance, when all colleges in the state use the 1500? And where will the money come from to convert existing 400 m tracks back into 440 yards? Please, let's not move backward, but become standardized with the rest of the world. The mile is, thankfully, dead, at least in track events. Let's keep it buried. HARRY WYETH
[USMA:51595] -re vs -er RE: tonne--yeah, right
Paul, sir:Indeed it is great that US has almost reconciled to THINK METRIC for public life & children at portals of learning. BUT how come, we still wish to adhere to *defeat the very purpose* by NOT FOLLOWING the basic need of SI language - the spellings for Meter vs Metre.Brij Bhushan Vij Saturday, 2012 April 07H00:51(decimal)IST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: trus...@grandecom.net To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:51594] tonne--yeah, right Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:28:33 -0500 To me, "metric ton" is cognate with "metric yard" for "meter." I have always voted for the megagram. Although they are recognized within the SI, "tonne" and, for that matter, "hectare," are throwbacks to pre-metric units. But, that's just me. Paul T.
[USMA:51523] Board of Cricket Control RE: Re: Hectare
Paul, sir: Popularity for adoption of the 'preferred' Metric System shall gain momentum if *International Board of Cricket Control" and member countries just adopted the conversion of CRICKET PITCH as 20 metre. Land units may lack implimentation and get drowned the purpose. Brij Bhushan Vij Wednesday, 2012 March 14H21:71(decimal)IST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com CC: usma@colostate.edu From: trus...@grandecom.net Subject: [USMA:51516] Re: Hectare Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:23:58 -0500 To: usma@colostate.edu I would be delighted to see the metric system replace the pre-metric units currently in everyday use in the U.S. , even if area is expressed in chunks of 10,000 m^2! Paul Trusten, Reg. Pharmacist Vice President U.S. Metric Association, Inc. Midland, Texas USA www.metric.org +1(432)528-7724 trus...@grandecom.net On Mar 13, 2012, at 21:06, Paul Rittman wrote: What do people on this mailing list think of the hectare? I looked up a few posts that were several years old, and it appears that some were for, some against. At first sight, it appeared to me a very convenient form of land measurement, being about the area of two American football fields put together (easy to visualize), and convenient for measuring the size of most lots and estates. The other measurements, the square meter and square kilometer, seemed to produce numbers that were too large or too small, especially since Americans are used to evaluating the size of estates in terms of fractions of an acre, or tens or hundreds of acres (and very occasionally thousands and millions of acres). Now, however, I’m having second thoughts. I recall in my reading of metric advocates, at least one has proposed using only square meters and square kilometers (and avoiding the hectare). The square m and km are a factor of a million apart from each other (making for easier conversions), whereas the hectare is 10,000 square meters, and I always forget how many hectares are in a square kilometer. Introducing the hectare to Americans who are rather unfamiliar with the metric system might give them one more term to use (and it loses the simplicity of the metric system, in that it has the hect- prefix, but not the base unit); simply using square meters and square kilometers would give them more practice in the units that are already more common. The SI brochure (8th edition) places it in the non-SI units that are acceptable (see page 124, Table 6. Non-SI units accepted for use with the International System of Units). On page 117, it seems to prefer the square meter, saying nothing about the square kilometer (itself of course being a multiple of the square meter). So is what is the opinion here about the use of the hectare, specifically in the United States? I realize that it is not common at all in real estate, but my question is, is this a unit that should be used when exposing people to the metric system? Or is this a unit that should be abandoned? I’d say junk it, but I just hate using numbers that are either incredibly small or incredibly large, for lots that are in the ½ to 50 acre range, for instance. Today I told my students about a large land grant in the American colonial period of some 45,000 square kilometers. I wasn’t sure how they would understand that, so I told them that this was essentially the northern third of North Carolina. Still, I was wondering later on if giving them the measurement in hectares would have been better.
[USMA:51500] Bridging East & West (10^5) RE: RE: millibar depreciated
Stan, Michael Payne sirs: >> The terminology standard for unit of measurement prefixes is increments of > 1,000 such as "k" "M" etc Since almost 30-years I have been proposing that the 'increment in measurement technology could be in POWERS of 10^5' to accomodate large & small *number count*. This shall also be profitable in bridging "Lakh/Crore and Million/Billion" which suffer disparity among the International & United States COUNT especially in financing sector. My discussions with usma@colostate.edu and included in my book: Towards A Unified Technology (1982) can be seen at: http://www.brijvij.com/IndoEuropean_UDN.doc. I called this Unified Numeral Decimal Code. A review of this 'thought' needs insight especially along with *Decimalisation of Time of the HOUR in relation to Arc-Angle* and calendar Reform - my dedication since 1971. Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_vsbon-div6.pdf. Kindly note that my New Delhi address gets deleted in favour of: 3013, 3rd FLOOR, KANKHAL BYPASS Residential Scheme (NH-58), DEV-BHOOMI – HARIDWAR –249408 (UTTARANCHAL). Today we celebrate colourful HOLI in India - the festival dedicated to 'start of spring season'. As I reply I am still at my old address and shall return to US some time in April 3rd week. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Thursday, 2012 March 08H16:45(decimal)IST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > From: s...@doore.net > To: usma@colostate.edu > Subject: [USMA:51498] RE: millibar depreciated > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 04:54:51 -0500 > > The terminology standard for unit of measurement prefixes is increments of > 1,000 such as "k" "M" etc. This should be standard across the board. > hPa is an acceptable unit to accommodate special circumstances such as > atmospheric pressure. However, plans should include changing to increments > of 1000. > For example, 1013.250 hPa (mBar) should become 101.325 kPa to be consistent > with international measurement standard terminology. A units digit change > has the advantage of alerting users of significant deviations. > Stan Doore > > > -Original Message- > From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf > Of Michael Payne > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 4:32 PM > To: U.S. Metric Association > Subject: [USMA:51496] RE: millibar depreciated > > Because Aviation has settled on the hPa, mainly because it's compatible with > mechanical altimeters, where the pressure setting has to be entered via the > window. It's a whole number and the equivalent of millibars. > > Mike Payne > > On 07/03/2012, at 15:36 , wrote: > > > Canada has settled on the kPa. I think Australia has done the same. Why > would you not do the same? > > > > John F-L > > > > -Original Message- From: Hillger, Don > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:23 PM > > To: U.S. Metric Association > > Subject: [USMA:51493] RE: millibar depreciated > > > >> From the World Meteorological Organization: > > > > 3.1.2 Units and scales > > The basic unit for atmospheric pressure measurements is the pascal (Pa) > (or newton per square metre). It is accepted practice to add the prefix > "hecto" to this unit when reporting pressure for meteorological purposes, > making the hectopascal (hPa), equal to 100 Pa, the preferred terminology. > This is largely because one hectopascal equals one millibar (mbar), the > formerly used unit. > > > > The scales of all barometers used for meteorological purposes should be > graduated in hPa. Some barometers are graduated in "millimetres or inches of > mercury under standard conditions", (mm Hg)n and (in Hg)n, respectively. > When it is clear fro
[USMA:51228] World Metric Decdaday RE: Draft Metric Pocket Guide
Ezra, Jim, list sirs: USMA has been working on the Metric Week. Today is World Metric Day falling along the Columbus Day. Since several years (back in India), I proposed the days: October 08 (IAF Day), October 10 (World Metric Day) & October 14 (World Standards Day) falling between October 05 thro October 14 be recognised as World Metric Decaday shall go a long way in promoting the cause of Metric Reform in United States - although under attack by interested forces. During my discussions with USMA & Calndr-L, I have been pleading that US economy shall find uptrend when 'anti-metric lobby reconcile' and work for SI Metric System of Units. There remain yet another area, the concept of Decimalisation of Time & Arc-angle, along with Decimalisation of Time of the Hour - please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_prop-cal.ref-cb2013.pdf and http://www.brijvij.com/bb_deci-sec-nu-mtr.pdf There is a need for OPEN THINKING and working for the purpose in teaching the tiny-tots to higher calsses & post graduate students in portals of education! SIncerly, Brij Bhushan Vij Monday (World Metric Day) 20111010H18:74(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: metcen...@candw.lc To: usma@colostate.edu CC: hubert110...@hotmail.com Subject: [USMA:51225] Draft Metric Pocket Guide Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:41:05 -0400 Dear Ezra Attached is a draft of our Metric Pocket Guide. This Guide is aimed at the ordinary man, hence we have endeavoured to make it as simple as possible. We should be grateful for review, comments and suggestions of the USMA. Thank you Best regards Judy H. Rene Coordinator Saint Lucia Metrication Secretariat 1 Maurice Mason Avenue Sans Souci Castries St. Lucia W.I. Tel.: (758) 4521541; Fax: (758) 4581642; Email: metcen...@candw.lc METRIC IS HERE! Let’s measure up.
[USMA:51144] 10^12 vs 10^18 RE: Re: A trillion dollars, give or take
James, John F-L sirs: >.(a trillion here is defined as the now commonly accepted 10^12). UKMA Blog is an interesting piece and promotes adoption of the Metric system: http://metricviews.org.uk/2009/03/trillion-bailout-metric-imperial/ Numerically, the trillion I read during SI learning was always in powers of 10^6 i.e. *million, Billion, trillion*. This has remained confused with US counting. During my disussions I pointed to DISPARITY in numeral counting between Asian, European & American countries and proposed to resolve in multiples of 10^5 and placed at: http://www.brijvij.com/IndoEuropean_UDN.doc as also in my Book "Towards A Unified Technology (1982)" as UDN Code. It shall only be in the right perspective to give a thought to make ammends .in line with Internation Norms, if not my proposal, as at: http://www.brijvij.com/IndoEuropean_UDN.doc Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Saturday, 20110924H17:63(decimalEST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > From: j...@frewston.plus.com > To: usma@colostate.edu > Subject: [USMA:51143] Re: A trillion dollars, give or take > Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 20:32:39 +0100 > > I wrote an article for the UKMA blog on very similar lines in March 2009. > Perhaps many of you may be interested in reading it. It can be found at > http://metricviews.org.uk/2009/03/trillion-bailout-metric-imperial/ > > John F-L > > > - Original Message - > From: "James Frysinger" > To: "U.S. Metric Association" > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 6:54 PM > Subject: [USMA:51139] Re: A trillion dollars, give or take > > > > Whoops! Make that 200 000 elephants weight in a trillion dollars and 3 000 > > 000 elephants (= population of Iowa) weight in national debt. My original > > animal equivalents would have worked in cats (~5 kg apiece). > > > > I told you, numbers this size are mind-numbing! > > > > Thanks, John. (I corrected "boggles" to "boggle" while I was at it.) > > > > Jim > > > > > > -- > > James R. Frysinger > > 632 Stony Point Mountain Road > > Doyle, TN 38559-3030 > > > > (C) 931.212.0267 > > (H) 931.657.3107 > > (F) 931.657.3108 > > > > On 2011-09-24 12:01, John M. Steele wrote: > >> You were doing great until you denominated it in non-metric units > >> (elephants). I get 1 000 000 t/5 t = 200 000 elephants. Thereafter, all > >> the elephants are in error; your numbers correspond to millielephants > >> (roughly, cats). > >> But in dollar bills, 1 trillion is 1 Tg which is tera-fying (forgive the > >> pun) > >> You might consider denominating it in $100 bills, the largest unit of > >> currency which is currently printed, as no one would actually carry a > >> large amount in singles. It is an incremental $47 100 in debt for every > >> man, woman, and child in addition to their own debts. > >> > >> --- On *Sat, 9/24/11, James Frysinger //* wrote: > >> > >> > >> From: James Frysinger > >> Subject: [USMA:51137] A trillion dollars, give or take > >> To: "U.S. Metric Association" > >> Date: Saturday, September 24, 2011, 12:31 PM > >> > >> The numbers floating through the news these days boggle my mind, > >> even though I have a strong background in science and engineering. > >> Bruce Barrow remarked on something a few days ago that inspired my > >> calculations below. Please tell me if I have made any math errors. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> ** How large is a trillion dollars? > >> > >> A dollar bill is 15.6 cm or 0.156 m long. So > >> 1 000 dollar bills end to end
[USMA:51122] Re: Fw: Re: RE: decimal submultiple of a liter
Stan, John Steele sirs: >> *500 mL (correctly marked in net contents but "half liter" on wrapper) > *20 fl oz ( roughly 600 mL, 591 mL to split hairs) > *700 mL My post may not be of much interest to members; BUT I would consider 'liquid consumer goods' need packaging in steps of 1:2:3:4 i.e. 250mL (8.454 fl.oz), 500mL (16.91 fl.oz), 750mL (25.36 fl.oz) & 1Litre (33.81 fl.oz) bottles/tins. The pricing can accordingly be adjusted, so consumer doesn't feel cheated. It shall be my view that the dual lablling be for a maximum period of FIVE years and then ONLY Metric. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Wednesday, 20110914H22:58(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:01:12 -0400 Subject: [USMA:51121] Re: Fw: Re: RE: decimal submultiple of a liter From: s...@doore.net To: usma@colostate.edu CC: usma@colostate.edu John. The example you show below indicates how little thought is given to setting metric unit sizes and packaging of materials for space saving and transportation to help reduce costs. Kirkland was the only example with common sense. Thanks for raising the issue. You show how far we must go to become metric. People buy grocery products mostly by visual size comparison unless a specific size is needed for a reciepe. Regards, Stan On Sep 14, 2011 4:55 PM, "John M. Steele" wrote: > I was at Costco yesterday. They had three sizes of Ice Mountain water: > *500 mL (correctly marked in net contents but "half liter" on wrapper) > *20 fl oz ( roughly 600 mL, 591 mL to split hairs) > *700 mL > > Is it necessary to have three sizes this closely spaced? The unit price of > the 20 oz and 700 mL were about 50% higher because of a "sport cap." > The Kirkland brand was only in 500 mL bottles (all of the above were > correctly dual marked in net contents area, various statements on > over-wrapper. > > --- On Sun, 9/11/11, John M. Steele wrote: > > > From: John M. Steele > Subject: Re: [USMA:51117] RE: decimal submultiple of a liter > To: "U.S. Metric Association" , carlet...@comcast.net > Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 3:19 PM > > > > > > > > Looking at Ozarka's website, they seem to mark correctly in the net contents > area, but they seem to lack a measurements units policy. > > http://www.ozarkawater.com/#/products/our_products > > They list sizes of: > 500 mL, 700 mL, 1 L, 1.5 L, 3 L > 8 oz, 20 oz, 1, 2.5, 3, and 5 gallon. > > Using one primary unit or the other, I think a smaller number of sizes would > need to be offered. The 20 oz seems unnecessary with 500 mL and 700 mL > sizes, and I question whether both 3 L and 1 gallon, or 2.5 and 3 gallons are > needed. > --- On Sat, 9/10/11, Carleton MacDonald wrote: > > > From: Carleton MacDonald > Subject: [USMA:51117] RE: decimal submultiple of a liter > To: "U.S. Metric Association" > Date: Saturday, September 10, 2011, 11:25 PM > > > Today we had a bell ringers' meeting in Frederick, Maryland. The person > whose church it was obtained some bottled water from the Giant Eagle store. > The bottles had the usual 16.9 fl oz stuff, but after it was not "half > liter" or ".5 liter" but, instead, 500 mL. That was as refreshing as the > water itself. > > Carleton > > -Original Message- > From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf > Of Paul Trusten > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 00:08 > To: U.S. Metric Association > Subject: [USMA:51109] decimal submultiple of a liter > > "HALF LITER" used to be the language on the wrapper. This Ozarka package of > 24 500 mL bottles says it differently. Taken at Albertson's supermarket in > Midland, Texas, USA. >
[USMA:51113] Re: decimal submultiple of a liter
Vlietstra, Ezra all:>.“.5 L”, not “0.5 L”What away to go? Are you in for metrication or against. This may only lead to confused ststus!Yes, in commercial market, 500mL need be proposed. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Saturday, 20110910H12:43(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: vliets...@btinternet.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:51112] Re: decimal submultiple of a liter Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 15:29:16 +0100 It still says “.5 L”, not “0.5 L” From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of ezra.steinb...@comcast.net Sent: 10 September 2011 05:17 To: U.S. Metric Association Cc: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:51110] Re: decimal submultiple of a liter Well, this does look better than "half liter" since it avoids the use of vulgar fractions (even in word format rather than numeric format). But to my mind 500 mL is still the way to go. -- Ezra From: "Paul Trusten" To: "U.S. Metric Association" Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 9:07:44 PM Subject: [USMA:51109] decimal submultiple of a liter "HALF LITER" used to be the language on the wrapper. This Ozarka package of 24 500 mL bottles says it differently. Taken at Albertson's supermarket in Midland, Texas, USA. [image/jpeg:100198.JPG] Paul Trusten, Reg. Pharmacist Vice President U.S. Metric Association, Inc. Midland, Texas USA www.metric.org +1(432)528-7724 trus...@grandecom.net
[USMA:50879] The Pillar RE: Pat Naughtin
Pat Naughtin was a PILLAR standing erect PROMOTING the cause for adoption of SI Metric System in United States, as a member of USMA listserv. Pat may not have liked my apprach for United States to go whole hog the Metric Way (TIME & Arc-angle inclusive). May I join USMA members to convey his family *our cherished desire to accomplish tasks left undone*. Be 'BRAVE' and face the world is what I can say, madam. Brij Bhushan Vij Monday, 20110718H13:29(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: billhoope...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:00:56 -0400 Subject: [USMA:50877] Pat Naughtin To: usma@colostate.edu I was shocked to hear of Pat's death. He was a giant in the metric movement. We all will miss him very much. (I sent my personal condolences to his wife.) Bill Hooper 1800 mm tall Fernandina Beach, Florida, USA == SImplification Begins With SI. ==
[USMA:50842] The Metric Second RE: Re: Stretching the second
Martin, JM Steel, all sirs:
>There have also been proposals that "Unix time" beat slowly either all day or
>for the last few hours on "leapsecond day" to >have 86400 "modified seconds,"
>while "leap second day" has 86401 SI seconds.
Has any one read/gone through my BASE contribution: The Metric Second; 1973
April; pp.152-57; Bureau of Indian Standards, New Delhi wherein I have shown
'my calculations' on increasing the day duration by 57.3314 second every day -
to result in what we are now debating.
I had not realised at that time that Metric Day (instead of solar Day or
sidereal day) shall cause rotation of SUNRISE time
from "Morning-to Noon-to Evening-to Night- and then to Morning again", which is
not a fit case to eliminate 'leapseconds' in the day. A viable option can be
correction to Mean Year of Gregorian Year to Mean Year =365+31/128 =365.2421875
day
i.e. correcting the Leap Day Rule, as at:
http://www.brijvij.com/bb_deci-sec-nu-mtr.pdf
This Mean Year can also be achieved, using Leap Weeks: 7*(52+159/896)
=365.2421875 days.
The difference {365.2425 - 365.2421875 =0.0003125 day i.e. ONE day in 3200
years} can be made to align Mean Year for Julian/Gregorian years with the
*corrected New Leap Day Rule*. Thus, UT & TAI can be corrected to get rid of
'leapseconds'
and stretching the second is not the solution!
Regards,
Brij Bhushan Vij
Friday, 20110708H10:21(decimal)EST
Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda
The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month)
"30 days has July,September,
April, June, November and December
all the rest have 31 except February which has 29
except on years divisible evenly by 4;
except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 -
as long as you remember that
"October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and
December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE
OUTSIDE of calendar-format"
Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30
Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30
(365th day of Year is World Day)
**As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar*
"Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai"
My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf
Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association
except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A
Possible World Calendar, since 1971.
HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/
Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com
From: vliets...@btinternet.com
To: usma@colostate.edu
Subject: [USMA:50841] Re: Stretching the second
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 14:27:08 +0100
That would be a disaster. I have recently finished a contract where I had an
insight into the comms used for financial dealings. The clocks used by the
banks, traders, financial exchanges etc are GPS synchronised and many users
start getting very agitated when their messages take an additional 100 ms to be
transmitted. Using “Unix time” as described by John would not work.
From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of
John M. Steele
Sent: 08 July 2011 13:38
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:50838] Re: Stretching the second
There have also been proposals that "Unix time" beat slowly either all day or
for the last few hours on "leapsecond day" to have 86400 "modified seconds,"
while "leap second day" has 86401 SI seconds.
I think what is required is recognition that UTC and civil time are not the
end-all-be-all. Keep TAI, and then maintain TAI offsets for UTC and any other
civil times. The rules may change but the possibility of leap seconds and
daylight savings are predicted. The systems need to be able to preprogram the
occurence instance and handle them automatically. The requirement needs to be
in the specification and the supplier needs to demonstrate compliance. Leap
hours kick the can down the road 500 years, ensuring 499 years of
non-compliance, followed by panic.
From: Martin Vlietstra
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Fri, July 8, 2011 6:56:58 AM
Subject: [USMA:50837] Re: Stretching the second
There was also a proposal to abandon leap seconds and introduce leap hours
instead. This would effectively have kicked the issue into the long grass for
800 years.
About fifteen years ago I worked on a police crime recording computer system.
The civil servants from the police force specified that daylight saving should
be effected by speeding up and slowing down the computer clock rather than a
step change. The problem was that the database system could not handle such a
mechanism, the development was too far down the line to do the job properly, so
in the end they stopped the computer system at the start and end of daylight
saving and when the clocks went back, the computer system was off the air for
an hour.
Fr
[USMA:50803] Unfortunate RE: Re: Metres Versus Meters when Programming
Pat/ sirs: >.would encourage the publication of books in our own country. It would >render it, in some measure, necessary that all books should be printed in >America. Was this the political issue/or commercial issue that made America suffer so long 'draining her man-power and/or economy'? How unfortunate? The more the delay the more CHAOS and economic dependence, without adopting Le Systeme International d'Unites (SI). SIncerly, Brij Bhushan Vij Friday, 20110701H18:08(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Subject: [USMA:50801] Re: Metres Versus Meters when Programming From: pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 07:40:43 +1000 CC: usma@colostate.edu To: usma@colostate.edu Dear Jim, You are quite right to point out that I was a bit rough on Noah Webster. But he did write the following in An Essay on the Necessity, Advantages, and Practicality of Reforming the Mode of Spelling (1789): But a capital advantage of this reform in these states would be, that it would make a difference between the English orthography and the American. This will startle those who have not attended to the subject; but I am confident that such an event is an object of vast political consequence. For, the alteration, however small, would encourage the publication of books in our own country. It would render it, in some measure, necessary that all books should be printed in America. The English would never copy our orthography for their own use; and consequently the same impressions of books would not answer for both countries. The inhabitants of the present generation would read the English impressions; but posterity, being taught a different spelling, would prefer the American orthography. Cheers, Pat Naughtin Geelong, Australia On 2011/07/01, at 08:59 , James Frysinger wrote: Dear Pat, I don't suppose you would describe your viewpoints here as being more ethnocentric than objective, would you? "Corrupt"? "Own commercial interests"? "Paranoia"? Grin. Jim -- James R. Frysinger 632 Stony Point Mountain Road Doyle, TN 38559-3030 (C) 931.212.0267 (H) 931.657.3107 (F) 931.657.3108 On 2011-06-30 16:55, Pat Naughtin wrote: Dear Martin, Other than the article you have already referred to at: http://www.metricationmatters.com/docs/Spelling_metre_or_meter.pdf I don't think that I can help you. When Noah Webster decided to corrupt the spelling of metre in the 1700s and early 1800s, he did so for his own commercial reasons as well as to meet the paranoia of the USA at that time. Webster's success with his deception is now so widespread that it has become part of the culture of the USA and, for over 200 years, it restricted the population of the USA from accessing many valuable references from all other English speaking nations — no matter how superior these "/foreign/" books might be. It was only a little lie at the time but it has grown mightily. I hope you don't mind but I have copied your email on to the USMA maillist for their comments — their thoughts are always valuable. Cheers, Pat Naughtin Geelong, Australia On 2011/07/01, at 04:02 , Martin Bromley wrote: Hello Pat, My company runs a site at http://www.degreedays.net/ that generates a specialist type of temperature data called degree days. We're in the process of building an API (Application Programming Interface), which will give other programmers a way to get data out of our system without doing it manually through the website interface. In our API we need to give programmers access to several measurements of distance, like the elevation of a weather station above sea level. I had decided that we should use the metres unit for these measurements. That was an easy decision. What was not such an easy decision was deciding whether to spell it "metres" or "
[USMA:50795] Re: Metres Versus Meters when Programming
Pat & all sirs: >.corrupt the spelling of metre in the 1700s and early 1800s, he did so for >his own commercial reasons as well as to meet the paranoia of the USA at that >time. Is this not 'unfortunate' that we are still stuck, in the hope - commercial considerations shall *rule-over* International NORMS with respect to spellings for Metre vs 'meter' to express Unit for Length; as in Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites (SI). In these days of 'superhighway technology' why is the fear being expressed over a fall back? I recall, when I had a note from Senator Orion Hatch (I think - 1985-86) say "he was actively considering THINK METRIC for America". Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Thursday, 20110630H19:13(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Subject: [USMA:50793] Re: Metres Versus Meters when Programming From: pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:55:15 +1000 CC: usma@colostate.edu To: usma@colostate.edu Dear Martin, Other than the article you have already referred to at: http://www.metricationmatters.com/docs/Spelling_metre_or_meter.pdf I don't think that I can help you. When Noah Webster decided to corrupt the spelling of metre in the 1700s and early 1800s, he did so for his own commercial reasons as well as to meet the paranoia of the USA at that time. Webster's success with his deception is now so widespread that it has become part of the culture of the USA and, for over 200 years, it restricted the population of the USA from accessing many valuable references from all other English speaking nations — no matter how superior these "foreign" books might be. It was only a little lie at the time but it has grown mightily. I hope you don't mind but I have copied your email on to the USMA maillist for their comments — their thoughts are always valuable. Cheers, Pat Naughtin Geelong, Australia On 2011/07/01, at 04:02 , Martin Bromley wrote: Hello Pat, My company runs a site at http://www.degreedays.net/ that generates a specialist type of temperature data called degree days. We're in the process of building an API (Application Programming Interface), which will give other programmers a way to get data out of our system without doing it manually through the website interface. In our API we need to give programmers access to several measurements of distance, like the elevation of a weather station above sea level. I had decided that we should use the metres unit for these measurements. That was an easy decision. What was not such an easy decision was deciding whether to spell it "metres" or "meters"... I'm guessing you're not a programmer so I shall give you just a little background. If we use "metres" in our API, we're forcing all programmers that use our API to type "metres" in various places throughout their code. And the thing with programming is that US spellings are the norm. Programmers around the world are used to typing color instead of colour and center instead of centre. It's like a standard of sorts. A couple of links that discuss this, for if you're interested: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/157807/gb-english-or-us-english http://drabasablog.net/archives/post-133.html So the en_US convention for programming would encourage us to use "meters" in our API (which is essentially a domain-specific language for programmers). And that is tempting. But we are providing a scientific kind of data, so it seems to me that it's important to be scientific in our measurements. And "meters" just doesn't feel scientific. I came across your excellent PDF on the metres/meters debate and I found it very useful. It helped give me the confidence to make the decision to settle on "metres", shunning the en_US convention for software pr
[USMA:50667] RE: 100g/125g RE: Re: Sweden
Stan sirs: >.international standard -mm-dd zz I do not dispute this since for ISO 8601 there had been the need for a Date-Time seperator ever since its study began in 1975. I am not sure since when ** had been used for Date-Time seperator BUT "zz' expressing Zone had beeb used in Militart operations ever since I can remember. How ever, I have been using the DATE-TIME seperator as H, at least since 2004 while in India [from my mail to Derek & others - "Brij_Derek, Wyne on 'New ISO Date Format - 20040402": Bhushan Vij Brij 20040402H1562(decimal) PM(IST) I have been using THIS and writing while *distinguishing use of DECIMALISED Time of the Hour* along with 'conventional (24x60x60) time expression. It is my opinion, that H is the 'right letter' for expressing "Distinct expression to seperate Date & Time" such as: Wednesday, 20110615H18:86(decimal)EST as you see in my signature line during my expressions/reply to mail. This is upto ISO Headquarters to see its acceptability for including in the Date-Time Stamp in issing International documentation. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Friday, 20110617H15:61(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: s...@doore.net To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:50656] RE: 100g/125g RE: Re: Sweden Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 05:19:39 -0400 The date/time format should be the international standard -mm-dd zz where is year, mm is month, dd is day, is time, and zz is time-zone. Stan Doore From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of Brij Bhushan Vij Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 6:52 PM To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:50653] 100g/125g RE: Re: Sweden John sir: >.100 g for the price of 113 g. I have NOT been in business; BUT promotional sense would demand the right PRICE for the right product. Crowd at McDonald shall resent, I feel. Why deprive them or give the people a sense that they are being cheated? Instead, make the product weighing 100 g/125 g and charge for 100 g/125 g. This way both promotion value and liking the product/teaching aspect shall go in harmony rather than cause dissent! Brij Bhushan Vij Wednesday, 20110615H18:86(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > From: j...@frewston.plus.com > To: usma@colostate.edu > Subject: [USMA:50652] Re: Sweden > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:37:24 +0100 > > I suggested in a post some time ago that McDonalds is missing a trick here. > On another subject here just recently we talked about downsizing product > package sizes while keeping the price the same. McD's could easily rename > their QP as Big 100 ( as a companion to Big Mac?). 100 g for the price of > 113 g. Or is the promotion of American 'culture' even more important than a > bit of good business sense? > > John F-L > > > --
[USMA:50653] 100g/125g RE: Re: Sweden
John sir: >.100 g for the price of 113 g. I have NOT been in business; BUT promotional sense would demand the right PRICE for the right product. Crowd at McDonald shall resent, I feel. Why deprive them or give the people a sense that they are being cheated? Instead, make the product weighing 100 g/125 g and charge for 100 g/125 g. This way both promotion value and liking the product/teaching aspect shall go in harmony rather than cause dissent! Brij Bhushan Vij Wednesday, 20110615H18:86(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > From: j...@frewston.plus.com > To: usma@colostate.edu > Subject: [USMA:50652] Re: Sweden > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:37:24 +0100 > > I suggested in a post some time ago that McDonalds is missing a trick here. > On another subject here just recently we talked about downsizing product > package sizes while keeping the price the same. McD's could easily rename > their QP as Big 100 ( as a companion to Big Mac?). 100 g for the price of > 113 g. Or is the promotion of American 'culture' even more important than a > bit of good business sense? > > John F-L > > > - Original Message - > From: "James Frysinger" > To: "U.S. Metric Association" > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:53 PM > Subject: [USMA:50651] Sweden > > > > I'm in Sweden this week -- specifically, in Kista, which is a district of > > Stockholm. The purpose of this trip is to represent the U.S. National > > Committee (of ANSI) at IEC/TC 1 and TC 25 working group meetings. But > > that's another story. > > > > McDonald's apparently has Sweden surrounded! I went into one tonight, not > > to eat but to see what the menu looked like. You know that classic > > sandwich of theirs, the patty of which cooks down to about 100 g in mass? > > Yep, they misname it here, too. It's called "QP med ost" on the posted > > menu. But they don't hide the significance of the QP very well. On their > > website > > http://www.mcdonalds.se/se/maten/menyer/big_mac_meny.html > > they say [skim the Swedish till you see something you recognize]: > > QP > > När du är sugen på något speciellt så vet du att det är Quarter Pounder du > > är ute efter. Du äter den förslagsvis tillsammans med våra världsberömda > > pommes frites och valfri dryck. > > Men glöm inte att du också alltid kan välja bland våra andra tillbehör > > till din meny! > > > > Maybe they just aren't allowed to post non-SI units on menu displays. > > > > A couple of days ago I got a cheeseburger from Max, a local competing > > hamburger joint. The cup I was given for my beverage had a line about 2 cm > > below the rim and that was labeled "0,4 L". A line about halfway down > > probably represented 0.2 L. But almost all the cafe and bar signs for > > beverages here are in centiliters (cl). > > > > I did a little shopping at Clas Ohlson and, yes, I did purchase some > > measuring spoons and a non-electronic meat thermometer -- marked entirely > > in metric, of course! > > > > Jim > > > > -- > > James R. Frysinger > > 632 Stony Point Mountain Road > > Doyle, TN 38559-3030 > > > > (C) 931.212.0267 > > (H) 931.657.3107 > > (F) 931.657.3108 > > >
[USMA:50624] Metre vs cm, mm RE: RE: cm vs. mm
Brian, Harry, Pat sirs: >The cm vs. mm debates may be technically interesting, but they do not do much >toward actually advancing metrication. I agree and plead .THERE IS NO LIMIT TO ARGUMENTS; since both cm (centi+Metre) and mm (milli+Metre) are sub-units of the METRE and hence Le Systeme International d'Unites (SI). Is is the realisation of base unit - METRE i.e. of imprtance! AND let this not be confused with *how individuals use it and with WHAT measurement occasion!*. By occasion, I mean: Astronomical distances; Distances between 'Towns'; Measuring HIGHT of humans; the Laboratory measurements or the Measurements used in Atomic/sub-atomic particle. The common and natural unit to replace Yard is NAURALLY the Metre! How far do we rate the invention of Metre is a matter of acceptance 'French vs British'? But, British INCH was almost getting the status of ".a universal measure". My investigation and linking the Indus inch - a unit linked to British inch with METRE take me down to Indus Metre and hence to ancient India via: http://www.brijvij.com/indusEvidence.doc and http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_Ind-stps.aZtec_brCal-links.pdf. Imprtance today is the realisation of METRE and its length rather than 'confusion between cm & mm' which seem to me a practical way for using the Metre which I place as: "METRE is the arc-length represented by 1/100th of Pi/180 (one degree), at Earth centre". Also see: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_deci-sec-nu-mtr.pdf Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Monday, 20110613H18:56(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: br...@bjwhite.net To: usma@colostate.edu CC: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:50602] RE: cm vs. mm Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:06:34 -0700 I've always thought the same thing. This whole cm vs mm thing is nonsense. It really doesn't matter. My skis are 168 cmI know that's 1680 mm. I know 2.4 km is 2400 meters. Okwe all get it. That's what makes the metric system so easy. So--grab a 250 mL (or 25 cL) glass of wine, take a sip and relax. This has to go down as one of the dumbest threads on this list yet-- centimeter hatred. Now that's rich. Original Message Subject: [USMA:50601] cm vs. mm From: Harry Wyeth Date: Sun, June 12, 2011 9:01 pm To: "U.S. Metric Association" Cc: "U.S. Metric Association" May I suggest that the issue of mm vs. cm is pretty low on the agenda for moving forward with adoption of the metric system in the US? I know that Aussies usually refer to short measurements in mm, which is fine. But if an American wants to order a piece of plywood cut at the lumber yard as, say, 155 x 80 cm, I would be really pleased (I once overheard a Kiwi--NZ citizen--asking just such a thing). Telling someone that an easy way to know what a cm is by referring to his finger can be useful. Same with the distance of 10 cm or 100 mm with reference to a palm width. I personally find it easier to visualize the size of a cat, for example, as perhaps 40 cm long than 400 mm. The key to adopting the metric system in the US is just to use it. It doesn't matter if people use it incorrectly at first, or use cm instead of mm, or even use kms instead of km, or KM, or even kph. What we need is leadership from government--this has always been my belief--which could start with, for example, weighing mail in grams and measuring postal packages in mm or cm and on and on. My favorite easy one would be selling milk in liter dairy cartons, as they do in Canada and Australia and probably everywhere else. The cm vs. mm debates may be technically interesting, but they do not do much toward actually advancing metrication. HARRY WYETH
[USMA:50540] Re: Pi closer to ABSOLUTE RE: Re: Value of pi
JM Steele, sir: >.That creates a class of approximants with the same property, but varying >numbers of digits. I thank you for this. I have no dispute with 'mathematicians'. My only point had/has been the the *application of Pi* could be simplified with yet another approximation which fulfill the general use of Radian and the Value for Pi, as you rightly put: 180/Pi as arc-angle of ONE degree - I use in arriving at the Nautical Kilometre as 1/100th of this. It is like saying: -1, 0, 1,2 3,Pi,4,5. a point on number line. The application of Radian =57*17'44".88 and Pi =10/31831 satisfy the EQUATION: A circle has 2 Pi Radians, or else there has to be a "constancy factor" as : CIRCLE = 2 k Pi r, to place the sign of equality! Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Monday (Memorial Day) 20110530H20:23(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 12:25:48 -0700 From: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [USMA:50538] Re: Pi closer to ABSOLUTE RE: Re: Value of pi To: usma@colostate.edu Brij 0.31831 is just the five digit approximation to 1/pi. It may also be written as 31831/10. Obviously the reciprocal approximates pi. Since the degrees per radian constant is 180/pi, any approximant to 1/pi with a finite number of decimals results in the radian constant having a finite number of decimals (one less actually). If that is an important property in your application, you can simply take more digits to the 1/pi approximation, write it as a common fraction and invert it. That creates a class of approximants with the same property, but varyin numbers of digits. From: Brij Bhushan Vij To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 12:45:53 AM Subject: [USMA:50537] Pi closer to ABSOLUTE RE: Re: Value of pi JM Steele, Pat Naughtin & all Sirs: In my note/reply to Victor on May 11, I wrote: "Pi RE: Growth, Aging & Decay RE: Time" To see messages related to this one, group messages by conversation. 5/11/11 Brij Bhushan Vij Brij Bhushan Vij metric...@hotmail.com To calendar listserv From: Brij Bhushan Vij (metric...@hotmail.com) Sent: Wed 5/11/11 4:13 PM To: calendar listserv (calnd...@listserv.ecu.edu) Victor, Sepp sirs: >.very true! NO wonder. Measure of Geometry via Arc-angle [and Pi] is related to TIME. Pi is a point on NUMBER LINE that lies between 3.1415...and 3.1416; which can be equated to 10/31831, which repeats all by itself at 5244th decimal point. I was checking on THIS aspect of *yet another value for Pi* that fits almost every aspect: Pi value = 104348/33215 gives Radian =57* 17’ 44”.8062253229577951 Brij's (Rationalised)Pi =10/31831 give Radian =57* 17’ 44”.889657 206264.88 Arc-seconds = 57* 17’ 44”.88 Approximation of 'Chord-length' of the circle to 'length of circumference' has so far defied mathematicians/calendar makers alike. Recently, March 14th was declared as Pi-day, which is 74th day after (January 01):http://www.brijvij.com/bb_fbUNday-we! ek.pdf Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Wednesday , 20110511H16:18(decimal)EST" >.Pi value 355/113 or 104348/33215 and the earlier 22/7 or underroot 10 As in my previous arguments and elucidations, I expressed my Pi value to be closer to ABSOLUTE and repeating ALL by itself at 5244th decimal point, I work to show *how close to actual is my RESULT* when compared to these above values: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piphilology It is interesting, learning: The Indiana Pi Bill is the popular name for bill #246 of the 1897 sitting of the Indiana General Assembly, one of the most famous attempts to establish scientific truth by legislative fiat. 22/
[USMA:50537] Pi closer to ABSOLUTE RE: Re: Value of pi
JM Steele, Pat Naughtin & all Sirs: In my note/reply to Victor on May 11, I wrote: "Pi RE: Growth, Aging & Decay RE: Time" To see messages related to this one, group messages by conversation. 5/11/11 Brij Bhushan Vij Brij Bhushan Vij metric...@hotmail.com To calendar listserv From: Brij Bhushan Vij (metric...@hotmail.com) Sent: Wed 5/11/11 4:13 PM To: calendar listserv (calnd...@listserv.ecu.edu) Victor, Sepp sirs: >.very true! NO wonder. Measure of Geometry via Arc-angle [and Pi] is related to TIME. Pi is a point on NUMBER LINE that lies between 3.1415...and 3.1416; which can be equated to 10/31831, which repeats all by itself at 5244th decimal point. I was checking on THIS aspect of *yet another value for Pi* that fits almost every aspect: Pi value = 104348/33215 gives Radian =57* 17’ 44”.8062253229577951 Brij's (Rationalised)Pi =10/31831 give Radian =57* 17’ 44”.889657 206264.88 Arc-seconds = 57* 17’ 44”.88 Approximation of 'Chord-length' of the circle to 'length of circumference' has so far defied mathematicians/calendar makers alike. Recently, March 14th was declared as Pi-day, which is 74th day after (January 01):http://www.brijvij.com/bb_fbUNday-week.pdf Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Wednesday, 20110511H16:18(decimal)EST" >.Pi value 355/113 or 104348/33215 and the earlier 22/7 or underroot 10 As in my previous arguments and elucidations, I expressed my Pi value to be closer to ABSOLUTE and repeating ALL by itself at 5244th decimal point, I work to show *how close to actual is my RESULT* when compared to these above values: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piphilology It is interesting, learning: The Indiana Pi Bill is the popular name for bill #246 of the 1897 sitting of the Indiana General Assembly, one of the most famous attempts to establish scientific truth by legislative fiat. 22/7 =3.1428571428571428571428571428571 give RADIAN =57*.27272727272727272727272727273 i.e. 57* 16’ 21”.818181818181818181818181827554 SqrRoot 10 =3.1622776601683793319988935444327 give RADIAN =56*.920997883030827975980083799802 i.e. 56* 55’ 15”.592378910980713528301679286722 355/113 =3.1415929203539823008849557522124 give RADIAN =57*.295774647887323943661971830986 i.e. 57* 17’ 44”.788732394366197183098591549296 104348/33215 =3.1415926539214210447087159415927 give RADIAN = 57*.295779507034154943075094874854=57*17’44”.806225322957795070341549473685 Against these values, my result seem to be the BEST10/31831 =3.141591530269234394144073387 5781 is possibly *SIMPLEST, BEST & EASY to memorise* which give RADIAN =57* 17’ 44”.889657 i.e. 57*.2958 for ALL calculations! On my examining the value during 1973-74, I had the value run into Delhi University Campus, Computer Center and published its value to lie between TWO FRACTIONS, and later got this copyrighted as the “POSSIBLE ABSOLUTE VALUE”. Let this be the YET ANOTHER VALUE till I am proved WRONG in my argument advanced during discussions with USMA & Calndr-L members on list (see archives’). Mathematicians may in due course see reason in my pointing to THIS value being *absolute & unique*. My regards, sirs Brij Bhushan Vij Monday (Memorial Day), 20110530H00:74(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 10:12:51 -0700 From: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [USMA:50536] Re: Value of pi To: usma@colostate.edu Weren't we all. Most scientific calculators have a "pi" key, but if you are forced to use a simple calculator, 355/113 is a good enough approximation for virtually any engineering work (better than 0.1 ppm). Write it as a classic
[USMA:50440] Decimal Second (sd) RE: Aluminum Quantum-logic Clock
Sirs: >With the correction, the estimated uncertainty is only about 4 x10^-19 s. >Does this mean a new definition of the "second" in due course? This shall only be progressive if MANUFACTURERS are wanting to develope a clock/wrist-watch/time piece perfecting the duration of the *Decimal Second, sd*: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_deci-sec-nu-mtr.pdf This definition is in keeping with the needs of "inter-linking time and arc-length i.e. the 'Decimal second, sd - the unit for TIME; and Arc-length, METRE, m' - the unit for length via Pi/180 (one degree). Thus, 24-hour clock is linked with 2x12*60*60 seconds = 2x12*100*100 decimal seconds i.e. 86400-seconds =240 decimal seconds. And like with, 90*x60'x60" is equated to 90*x100'x100"(decimal). Moreso, this is independent of CALENDAR/dating mechenism like in ISO 8601 - Representation of Dscending Order Dating and Time count for Instant representation. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Sunday, 20110508H19:04(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > From: mech...@illinois.edu > Subject: [USMA:50439] Aluminum Quantum-logic Clock > To: usma@colostate.edu > Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 14:20:45 -0500 > > NIST has announced an Aluminum Quantum-logic Clock, with a correction for the > error produced by surrounding black body radiation which expands the cloud of > electrons surrounding the nucleus and alters the ticking frequency. > > With the correction, the estimated uncertainty is only about 4 x10^-19 s. > Does this mean a new definition of the "second" in due course? > The second is already the most precisely defined and realized SI Base Unit. >
[USMA:50428] RE: USMA member Mike Joy recovering from stroke
Hi Mike, Paul sirs: It is frightening to know any friends suffering from STROKE. I do hopeyou are are well & progressing. MAY YOU HAVE SPEEDY RECOVERY. Brij Bhushan Vij Wednesday, 20110504H15:29(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: trus...@grandecom.net To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:50424] USMA member Mike Joy recovering from stroke Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 03:57:51 -0500 Dear USMA Members and supporters of U.S. metrication, I regret to report that USMA member Mike Joy of Bunbury, WA (south of Perth), Australia, suffered a stroke on 15 April. He phoned me last evening to say he had just arrived home from hospital, and is recuperating at home with visiting nurse assistance. Sadly, this means he has had to cancel his upcoming visit to the U.S., which was scheduled to start tomorrow. I had looked forward to being his host here in Texas for several days. I am happy to report that his prognosis is good. He has not suffered loss of speech or the use of his arms or legs. Besides being a staunch supporter of metrication, Mike is a fine gentleman and a good personal friend of many of us at USMA. He is a committed letter-writer, and is always quick to post a letter an e-mail promoting metrication or attempting to correct the misuse, or lack of use, of SI. He might like to receive messages of concern and wishes for a speedy recovery. Please write to him at: Mike Joy 17 Whatman Way Withers Bunbury WA 6230 Australia phone +61 8 9795 5557 m...@iinet.net.au SIncerely, Paul Paul R. Trusten Registered Pharmacist Vice President and Public Relations Director U.S. Metric Association, Inc. www.metric.org trus...@grandecom.net +1(432)528-7724
[USMA:50346] RE: being an effective messanger for U.S. metrication
Paul, sir: >.U.S. metrication will be judged as much by its messengers as it is by its >message. Indeed very thoughtful. Such feelers should be circulated among ALL SCHOOLS/Business Houses for creating a THINK TANK and work ahead to THINK, PLAN and IMPLEMENT the 'Metric System of Education'. There need be a soft corner between *Soft & HARD conversions* that may derail the Metric Wagon! SIncerly, Brij Bhushan Vij Wednesday, 20110413H12:43(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: trus...@grandecom.net To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:50345] being an effective messanger for U.S. metrication Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:01:47 -0500 Yes, you are frustrated with the poor approach to, or even absence of, the use of metric units (especially the absence of the use of metric units). But, please work to win your correspondents over to metrication. If you want them to take off their coats, warm them up so they will want to take them off---don't try to blow their coats off with a lot of wind. Begin your message by expressing some honest praise for the product or the activity. Then, go on to say that, in your view, the product or activity you have recognized will be improved by being made or described in units of the metric system of measurement, which is used by all major nations except the U.S., and that you are supporting U.S. metrication. Remember that, in the minds of many in government and industry, metrication is, at its best, a small issue, and at its worst, a sore spot in their planning. It is up to us to advertise it (advertising means, literally, turning people's heads). We are not going to gain support by blasting people. We will gain support by friendly persuasion. Think back to the circumstances of your own "Aha!" moment over decimal measurement and the world map of metric countries. Then, craft your message to fit that inspiration; share that inspiration with your correspondents. Enthusiasm is contageous! U.S. metrication will be judged as much by its messengers as it is by its message. SIncerely, Paul R. Trusten Registered Pharmacist Vice President and Public Relations Director U.S. Metric Association, Inc. www.metric.org trus...@grandecom.net +1(432)528-7724
[USMA:50268] Re: Astronomical measurements
Steele, Sirs: >I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. >.so any rational approximation to pi is only an approximation. I have NO hesitation and agree with your views. BUT NEVER HAS THERE BEEN ANY VALUE that fits "generally ALL CALCULATIONS". You may like the *Snopes and/or religious views: http://www.snopes.com/religion/pi.asp I may recall old excahnge of communcations where Pi had been discussed at length both at USMA & Calndr-L. Do we need to treat Pi as an approximation? My only submission had been: *Here is a value that DEFINES both ' approximation and literal that Pi is the ration between circumference of a circle to its diameter: thus a/b*. The only value that fits this bill is: 10/31831 giving Radian =57* 17' 44".88. This value when run/investigated results in its REPETITIVE quality at 5244th decimal. Chinese value 355/113 of 3.1415929203539823008849557522124... also does not define: What Pi is? I do not dispute this or other approximations. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Sunday, 20110403H14:64(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 11:04:47 -0700 From: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [USMA:50266] Re: Astronomical measurements To: usma@colostate.edu I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. Your "value of pi" as published in that pdf differs from accepted values such as the CRC Standard Mathematical Tables or the Handbook of Mathematical Functions (or my calculator) beginning at the sixth decimal. It differs from the generally accepted value of pi by approimately -0.35778 ppm, so it is not even a very good approximation. The much simpler expression 355/113 is MUCH better at +0.08467 ppm, roughly 4X better for only six total digits vs 11. There are proofs that pi is irrational (which I am not enough of a mathematician to reproduce) so any rational approximation to pi is only an approximation. From: Brij Bhushan Vij To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 1:32:57 PM Subject: [USMA:50265] Re: Astronomical measurements Pierre, Paul Rittman sirs: >A number you may find useful is 206264.8. Is this value for Pi used anywhere in day-to-day life. Any reference avaialable. Most enineering/standard reference books maintain and use the Radian value of 57* 17' 44".88 (57*.2958), which deviate by 0.08 from this value. I arrived at this value on examining 'MOST known values for Pi' and arrive at a Rationalised approach of Pi =10/31831 which also define the Radian as (57*2958) =57* 17' 44"88. This squarely fit most astronomical calculations. Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_rationalisedPi-value.pdf Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Sunday, 20110403H13:54(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > From: p...@phma.optus.nu > To: usma@colostate.edu > Subject: [USMA:50260] Re: Astronomical measurements > Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 00:33:51 -0400 > > On Saturday
[USMA:50265] Re: Astronomical measurements
Pierre, Paul Rittman sirs: >A number you may find useful is 206264.8. Is this value for Pi used anywhere in day-to-day life. Any reference avaialable. Most enineering/standard reference books maintain and use the Radian value of 57* 17' 44".88 (57*.2958), which deviate by 0.08 from this value. I arrived at this value on examining 'MOST known values for Pi' and arrive at a Rationalised approach of Pi =10/31831 which also define the Radian as (57*2958) =57* 17' 44"88. This squarely fit most astronomical calculations. Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_rationalisedPi-value.pdf Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Sunday, 20110403H13:54(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > From: p...@phma.optus.nu > To: usma@colostate.edu > Subject: [USMA:50260] Re: Astronomical measurements > Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 00:33:51 -0400 > > On Saturday 02 April 2011 20:36:43 Paul Rittman wrote: > > So would you folks advise (1) being purist, and quoting > > inter-stellar distances as “ultra-giga-multi-meters” or whatever; (2) in > > parsecs, which is almost entirely unknown to civilians; or (3) stick with > > the term “light-year”? And just as importantly, why? > > Prefixes are used with the meter, of course, and also with the parsec. I'm > not > sure if they're used with the light-year. > > Of those units, direct measurements are possible only in parsecs (by waiting > six months and seeing how many arcseconds the star appears to move). I've > heard of astronomers measuring in milliarcseconds, so kiloparsecs should be > doable this way, but not megaparsecs. Red-shift measurements have to be > converted, whatever units they are converted to. > > I think the general public would need an explanation of whatever units are > used. I suggest giving a few distances in all three units, in case the > audience is not all familiar with the same unit, and then using petameters, > exameters, etc. for the rest. The public may not be familiar with those big > prefixes either. > > A number you may find useful is 206264.8. It's the number of arcseconds > (approximately) in a radian; multiply an astronomical unit by that and you > get a parsec. I use the number occasionally in surveying. The mantissa of its > reciprocal is 4848137; I use the three 48s to check whether I remember the > number correctly. > > Pierre > -- > When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. > Já não percebe nada, já não percebe nada. >
[USMA:50250] Ancient Measures RE: Units for measuring short lengths in personal life
Rittmann, sir: >.to continually tell myself, “I’m sitting 150 mm from the window,” or >something like that, or that I’m 18,500 mm tall. >.Any suggestions on ingraining the metric system in your personal life? My childhood was spent at Lahore(Pakistan) and moved to Delhi, after partion of India (1947) and have lived the entire life struggling among sevral units. But living and adoption in day-to-day life does need adjustments with circumstances/environments. I totally agree with you the difficulty in guessing/ calculating distances in cm/mm or the like when dealing and jiggling mentally. I had the oppertunity to deal with *paie/Dhela/Paisa/Anna/Chawani/Athanni/Rupee* for currency as also *rati/Masha/Tola/Chattak/Paoseer/Seer/Maund* for Weights & Measures. By ONE STROKE, on 1956 December 28, India chaged her coinage/Weights & Measures and adopted theMetric (now SI )System of Units. Of course, there is chaos even today and disparity using measurements like *Girha/Inch/Foot/Yard/Mile* for length instead of Metre/Kilometre and their multiples- sub-multiples. Internationally, there is yet a disparity in COUNT measure - especially in finance market. Lakh/Crore is better understood in India/Asia as against Europe/America. Sevral years ago, I provide some thought to streamline FINANCE counting among Asian/European/American in bridging Lakh/Crore/Million/Billion (10^9 or 10^12). My proposed multiples are first published in my book: Towards A Unified Technology (1982). see: http://www.brijvij.com/IndoEuropean_UDN.doc I therefore, conculde saying it the WILL to adopt rather than FIND WAYS "how, not to fall for what is right.". Like India and her people (in villages) still are conversant with *ancient measures of pre-partitioned India*. It is the WILL that need be awakened - THINK METRIC, PRECTISE METRIC, ACT METRIC and adopt SI the whole hog way (including TIME COUNT: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_deci-sec-nu-mtr.pdf). I amy not be surprised if United States take the lead, Sir. I expect some curiosity gets satisfied. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Friday, 20110401H13:26(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: pritt...@live.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:50249] Units for measuring short lengths in personal life Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 09:32:03 -0700 I have been looking at the metric system for a couple of years now. My primary reason for exploring it has been my continual frustration with the bizarre medley of traditional imperial units—bushels, hogheads, hundredweights, etc., as well as the various types of ounces. I teach history at the college level and struggle to be able to remember statistics because they are usually attached to some unit that I can’t seem to recall off the top of my head. First, I have seen many people in threads (not here) state that they like using the metric on the job, but at home and in their personal lives, they prefer the traditional units. I think it is best for society to pick one system and use it (almost) exclusively, instead of switching between two separate systems—and I’m sure some NASA engineers would agree with me there. My main problem with the metric system is trying to use it in my daily life (I live in the southern California region in the United States). I don’t really have a problem with kilometers or liters, but with the shorter units of length that I would be using in my daily life. I guess its easier to visualize 6 feet than 180 or so centimeters. I read Pat’s article on using the millimeter (perhaps he was simply saying that businesses should use mm, with individuals using what they prefer?), but it just seemed a bit too much to continually tell myself, “I’m sitting 150 mm from the window,” or something like that, or that I’m 18,500 mm tall. Even cm seem to small, but decimeters seemed good—about the width of my hand. But then I looked around and saw that pretty much nothing was
[USMA:50229] km & conversions RE: FYI NASA km
Patrik Moore, sir: While United Ststes is seriously considering to GO METRIC and fall in line with rest of the world, IT MAY NOT be a bad idea to give a shot and THINK for DIRECT conversions & adoption of the KILOMETRE: http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_shelving-NMile.pdf Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Wednesday, 20110330H10:08(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > From: pmo...@asnt.org > To: usma@colostate.edu > Subject: [USMA:50228] FYI NASA km > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:45:32 + > > NASA news item gives distances in miles with conversions to km in parens: > <http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20110329/sc_space/nasaspacecraftsnaps1stphotoofmercuryfromorbit>. >
[USMA:50011] RE: to the editor, TIMEchanging to metric system is an overdue investment for U.S.
Paul, Mr Zakaria, sirs: >.and a newly decimal stock exchange, will be a huge stimulus to American >science and exports. I often wonder, why is that US still is desirous to stick along her 'own measurement units'. No wonder, one relishes to remain with ONE's links to the past.BUT, if the past takes you/pulls you towards hitting the belly of her own subjects and/or derails the process of progress.WHY ADHERE? Yes, I am talking of American economy that has suffered for almosr 200-years since signing the "CONVENTION DU METRE" in having accepted to changing norms of technology; but we still want to stick and teach our youngsters 'how not to understand and/or learn' Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites (SI in all languages). To start with the SPELLINGS for length Unit (Metre) and Unit for capacity (Litre). Yes, dictionary may say any 'argument' but the International NORM suggest the use of METRE and LITRE as the preferred spellings. This is my view, why cannot we THINK and ammend the desired - what is right for our future generations! True, I also advocate for removiong a day from the EXISTING calendar (JULY 31st) and shift this day as (February 29th) during all years from Y 2013: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_fbUNday-week.pdf I have been working for such ideas since 1970-71.to the advantage of emerging technology - The Metric System of Units. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Monday, 20110314H10:54(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: trus...@grandecom.net To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:50010] to the editor, TIMEchanging to metric system is an overdue investment for U.S. Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 02:39:56 -0500 To the Editor, TIME: In his article alleging U.S. decline (TIME, 3 March 2011), Fareed Zakaria reminds us of the roles of the Interstate Highway System and the space program as investments in America's future. But, as many Americans do, he has hidden from discussion an often concealed instrument of progress, one yet to be measured: U.S. changeover to the metric standard of measurement. America's reluctance to part with its archaic, imperial-era measurement system is pathognomonic for the "sclerosis" Zakaria describes. It bespeaks of a stubborn nationalism that we would be wise to jettison, not beginning in 10 years, but beginning now. We have been approaching metrication for almost 150 years, and Zakaria's thesis beckons us to cross over at last. U.S. transition to the world's decimal measurement system, already supported in U.S. society by the metric legal definition of traditional units (see www.metric.org/laws/mendenhall.html), decimal currency, and a newly decimal stock exchange, will be a huge stimulus to American science and exports. Surely, the metric system is the 800-kilogram gorilla in the room. It is time to break the silence on metrication, and work speedily to achieve this old national goal. Paul R. Trusten Vice President and Public Relations Director U.S. Metric Association, I 3609 Caldera Boulevard, Apartment 122 Midland TX 79707-2872 United States www.metric.org trus...@grandecom.net +1(432)528-7
[USMA:49864] RE: STEM foundation Project proposal - new website
Tim, All - Madam/Sirs: It gives me some satisfaction that the task for which I entered United States during 1984-1986 is getting nearer its goal. The fact, I went back and not settle then was to see my children get their due attention, although working for & within my limited resources. I continue with my Time & Calendar Reform for "corrections needed in Gregorian calendar: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_br-greg.-seasons2013.pdf I can only plead, if this can be added - as and when need for Time & Calendar reform are deemed fit - I think before Monday, 2012 October 01 when this format of my calendar can be slipped into the RUNNING 'Gregorian calendar'. I express my gratitude for receiving a copy of 'Family photograph of President OBAMA' this evening in mail. There cannot be a better oppertunity, I suppose. Happy Valentine Day. My regards to all, Brij Bhushan Vij Monday, 20110214H19:81(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:37:19 -0600 Subject: [USMA:49863] STEM foundation Project proposal - new website From: globaleconomy...@gmail.com To: usma@colostate.edu CC: steveperryspe...@gmail.com; usma@colostate.edu; developm...@aaas.org; brian.mel...@mail.house.gov; zachary.k...@mail.house.gov; bcunn...@aapt.org; browncen...@brookings.edu; sandy.far...@mail.house.gov; superintend...@doe.in.gov Hi, Hope everyone is doing well today. Please take a moment to check out the new website for this project and proposal. Let's get this going. Share it with individuals, businesses, organizations in your communities, on your email lists, and with your contacts. Share it on your Facebook and Twitter links, and other social media sites. There is a 'share it' link on the website. New website - http://www.metricamerica.org Thanks! Tim t...@metricamerica.org
[USMA:49850] METRIC AMERICA RE: Building the correct foundation for STEM in America
Tim Williamson, All: Madam/sirs, I may be too small to react or propose anything for a METRIC AMERICA FOUNDATION >There are 130,000 schools across the country. That means that we need 520,000 >kits at $280.00 per kit. >Will you help restore American greatness? Will you help restore American pride >by your >commitment to this endeavor? I understand the need for FUNDS and these need to come from Government and Parents via their children. As parents, they are already 'over burdened & work under economic crunch' situation. Parents do contribute and help the SCHOOLS through their children by organising workshops encouraging to extract their *hidden talent* at class level. CONGRESSMEN and organisations may levy just 1% deduction from employees and build upto, say 50% of requirements and the other 50% be provided through 'sitting & retired Senators'. There shall be sufficient funds for Metric Foundation to make head start. As far me, four of my grandchildren in various classes are already contributing to school funds; while almost 40-60% of my pensionary awarads have been going towards promotion of the Metric Norms since 1971, July 04 after publication of my *TIME BY METRIC* contribution through Time of India, New Delhi - say almost 40-years. I don's think I should be sentimental, in expressing my inability BUT my contributions have been a reasonable 'self-dedectible donation'. My works can be examined at my Home Page: http://www.brijvij.com/ and the recent calendar format (apart from several others) at: http://brijvij.com/bb_UNday-week.pdf My regards, to one & all, Brij Bhushan Vij Thursday, 20110210H20:19(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:17:55 -0600 Subject: [USMA:49830] Building the correct foundation for STEM in America From: globaleconomy...@gmail.com To: usma@colostate.edu CC: zachary.k...@mail.house.gov Congressmen, Senators, Committee Chairman, Members, staff: Here is something that is directly related to the success of the USA, and is the foundation of all trade, science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) - implement SI metric across the country. Take away the voluntary provisions in the old metrication law. Our refusal to implement SI metric is costing us billions in lost trade and in missed opportunities for STEM innovations in new technologies and new industries on which the future of the US is dependent. We also need the committee's help at Metric America Foundation for funding to purchase four (4) 'metric only' kits per school for use in our K - 12 schools. There are 130,000 schools across the country. That means that we need 520,000 kits at $280.00 per kit. The total cost is $145,600,000.00 USD. This is a very small price to pay to help our children become the highly trained and highly skilled, creative and innovative workforce of tomorrow. This is a very small price to pay to help restore our nations competitive advantage in our global marketplace of trade, science, innovation, and new technologies. Businesses, individuals, and other civic organizations are being asked to support this effort as well. Will you help restore American greatness? Will you help restore American pride by your commitment to this endeavor? Giving our children this one advantage by having these 'metric only' kits in their classrooms, by removing another hurdle and obstacle to their success by not knowing the metric system, is in best interest of our great nation. Thanks! Tim Williamson http://metricamerica.blogspot.com
[USMA:49806] Is't it TIME RE: Re: Ronald Reagan--NOT an enemy of U.S. metrication
Sirs: >.The old line that Reagan was the killer of U.S. metrication is a myth. Assuming President Ronald Reagan did not promote 'Metrication' was he responsible to US public for *NOT GOING METRIC* and cause the nation heading for today's economic crunch that concerns President OBAMA. How about the congress 'intellegentia' to churn needs of the country and make United States the proud leaders in what we call *THE WORLD ECONOMY*. Isn't it TIME now for congress to go over and urge for Presidential Order making/putting the final stamp on Metrication Map for world adoption; additional A World Calendar for ALL AGES! The Calendar Question has lived hangging for almost 400-years. At least I refuse to believe that American intellegentia cannot think ahead of their 'table of operation'. THINK AHEAD, THINK METRIC & reverse US VETO for adoption of the *modified Gregorian calendar*. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Tuesday, 20110208H10:84(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 13:49:12 + From: a-bruie...@lycos.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:49801] Re: Ronald Reagan--NOT an enemy of U.S. metrication Once again, he ended the USMB instead of reinforcing it when he enter office and passed the 1988 bill when he left office, then he died, sorry he as no angle. REAGAN KILLED THE METRICATION OF US. On Feb 8, 2011, Paul Trusten wrote: I did not raise any aspect of partisan politics with regard to U.S. metrication. Partisanism is poison to the goal, and I have no need to discuss anything else about the Reagan era. I only stated the facts of the times. The USMB was impotent and rudderless, Mr. Reagan did not support outright repeal of the MCA (which would have crippled the goal beyond recognition today), he did support voluntary conversion to metric as stated in his letter to USMB Chairman Polk, and did sign into law the Omnibus Trade and Competitiveness Act of 1988, which made metric the Nation's preferred measurement system. The latter goes far beyond the effect of any presidential order, since it is the Congress, not the President, who has the power to fix the standard of weights and measures for the United States (U.S. Consitution, Article I, Section 8). The old line that Reagan was the killer of U.S. metrication is a myth. Paul Trusten, R.Ph. , Vice President U.S. Metric Association, Inc. www.metric.org trus...@grandecom.net +1(432)528-8824 - Original Message - From: a-bruie...@lycos.com To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: 06 February, 2011 22:00 Subject: [USMA:49792] Re: Ronald Reagan--NOT an enemy of U.S. metrication Please stop right there, do you even recognize the dates? 1981 his first year in office, 1988 his last year in office. Oh yea, he showed lots of of support?! Where was the Executive Orders anytime of his 8 years in office? All he did was give rich tax cuts will building a deficit. On Feb 6, 2011, Paul Trusten wrote: On this 100th anniversary of the birth of U.S. President Ronald W. Reagan, I had the opportunity to answer a comment sent to USMA that repeated what I call the U.S. metricationist's dogma that President Reagan "stopped" or "derailed" metrication in America because he ended funding for the U.S. Metric Board. The commenter wrote: I wonder how many people remember that it was President Reagan who took us > off a metric progress road. Our country is now in a very uncompetitive > position because of this wrong-headed decision. I doubt that this legacy > will be highlighted in the 100th birthday tribute. We are reaping what > was sown in 1982. I replied: You may be surprised to learn that, contrary to the dogma that has been widely circulated among American metrication supporters, Mr. Reagan did much to keep America on a metrication path. In 1982, U.S. metrication was not doing well at all . The goal
[USMA:49651] RE: how does spelling relate to metrication
Gene Mechly, sir: >All of us here know that SI prescribes only symbols, not spellings. Is this yet another 'thought' to leave the wedge between "Metric Reform and SI" - the so called: Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites [The International System of Units] with its aim - SI in all languages! I may have concieved it wrong, BUT I believe American economy suffers and so do my grand-children who would love to learn, BUT.? Brij Bhushan Vij Thursday, 20110127H15:03(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > From: mech...@illinois.edu > Subject: [USMA:49649] how does spelling relate to metrication > To: usma@colostate.edu > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:34:25 -0600 > > In [USMA:49615], Ron Stone asked "how does spelling relate to metrication" ? > > Answer: *Hostility* to metrication is aroused when familiar words are spelled > in a way that suggests that *foreign* units of measurement are being imposed > on the people of the Unites States of America. > > All of us here know that SI prescribes only symbols, not spellings. > > However, the false perception of many uninformed members of the public is > that SI is foreign, and that metrication requires difficult *conversion" > calculations. > > In reality SI is easy to learn and use. Only the *transition* to SI can > sometimes be a temporary numerical burden. > > Gene Mechtly >
[USMA:49646] the Calendar Question RE: Re: U.S. changeover to the metric system of measurement - a long-overdue goal for science competitiveness
Paul, ALL sir(s): >Never in our nearly 100-year history has our mission been more vital for the >Nation's future success. I have 'never' left USMA site and try to read most mail. However, of late the topics have become 'self-concerned' and I do ignore replying - especially my attention has rather been concentrated for Reform of Gregorian calendar - where also I am up against the Himalayan task, since 1971. I assume, there seems aparent reconciliation via the CRIRERION: http://brijvij.com/bb_cal-cRiteria.pdf I occasionally, post mail the topic that I feel needs attention. Switch to Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites is one such, where in the BIGGEST tumbling is 'lobbyan*800-kilogram gorilla in the room,* as you rightly said.' "As a first step toward U.S. metrication, I ask that you urge U.S. schools to teach the SI metric system only, and cease all teaching and all use of any system of measurement other than SI metric in the classroom. Our students must become fluent in the metric system with all possible speed. They will flock to its ease and its "cool" features!" If United States went metric - and in ONE stroke, the enitre worls population can think of enjoying Universal 'International Trade & Science policy'. Moreso, the Calendar Question that has HUNG for over 400-years, has a possible solution."merely on shifting July 31, to occupy a permanat place in 2nd month as February 29 (to the good gesture for all February 29 BORN individuals)". WHY should they celebrate their birth date/day ONLY ONCE in four years? Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_br-greg1-month-yr.bmp. Today is India's Republic Day and I pray Indo-American friendship to flourish for Universal brother-hood. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Wednesday, 20110126H16:77(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com CC: usma@colostate.edu From: trus...@grandecom.net Subject: [USMA:49643] Re: U.S. changeover to the metric system of measurement - a long-overdue goal for science competitiveness Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:59:11 -0600 To: usma@colostate.edu I'll be glad if a staffer is moved by it and passes it higher. Paul Trusten, R.Ph. Vice President and Public Relations Director U.S. Metric Association, Inc. Midland, Texas US www.metric.org +1(432)528-7724 trus...@grandecom.net On Jan 26, 2011, at 12:25, "John Frewen-Lord" wrote: Excellent letter Paul - but will the President of the USA ever get to read it for himself? John F-L - Original Message - From: Paul Trusten To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 6:08 PM Subject: [USMA:49629] U.S. changeover to the metric system of measurement - a long-overdue goal for science competitiveness The President The White House Washington, DC 20500 2011-01-26 Dear Mr. President, We at the U.S. Metric Association (USMA), Inc., have been encouraged by your State Of The Union message of progress, particularly in your strong support for making U.S. students more competitive globally. However, there remains an 800-kilogram gorilla in the room, which we hope you, as our President, will expose: the continued delay in U.S. changeover to the metric system of measurement as the Nation's primary, everyday measurement standard. If there is any one indicator of U.S. national malaise in science, it is our continued reluctance to adopt the world's measurement system, the International System of Units (SI, the modern metric system) as our own. The process of making the changeover is called metrication. As of now, only three countries have not metricated: Myanmar, Liberia, and the United States of America. How can we be serious contenders in the global game of science, technology, and culture, if we persist in our measurement isolation? Not only is the metric system the world measurement standard
[USMA:49515] cm^2 RE: Re: Screen size conundrum
Sirs: >> The "best" unit for TV screen area (size) is the coherent SI unit "meter >> squared." > Flat screens of area about 1 m^2 and larger are already quite common. While my input may be considered 'OFF issue', since TV sets are generally for 'reasonable room sizes' and electronic gadgets like: cameras, video cameras, computers, DVD players GPS monitors and television sets. The "metre squared" is the preferred quantity, its expression in day-to-day applied use might defeat the very purpose and NOT be Practical - like using 'mm' for distance measurement between towns (for which Km is ideal)! I feel, the already in use screen sizes like *cm and cm^2* seem approperiate. Perhaps, a good direction can be to recognise SEVERAL derived unit-symbols, be listed seperately and allowed rather be RIGID as HARD CONVERSIONS, is my view. Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites (SI) dictates through CGPM - the measures to be used & adopted, surely they leave room for 'practical adjustments' in day-to-day usage of units & quantities. I suggested some multiples & sub-multiples, some time ago: http://www.brijvij.com/IndoEuropean_UDN.doc Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Friday, 20110114H12:49(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > From: mech...@illinois.edu > Subject: [USMA:49513] Re: Screen size conundrum > To: usma@colostate.edu > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:59:55 -0600 > > Michael, Jon, and Patrick, > > The "best" unit for TV screen area (size) is the coherent SI unit "meter > squared." > Flat screens of area about 1 m^2 and larger are already quite common. > > The "best" unit for TV pixel density is the unit "pixels per meter squared." > (I hesitate to call "pixels/m^2" an "SI unit." How is "pixel" related to SI? > > Of course, SI prefixes may be applied to the numerators of each unit > (preferably, excluding prefixes in the denominators). > > Gene. > > Original message > >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 07:00:14 -0500 > >From: Jon Saxton > >Subject: [USMA:49509] Re: Screen size conundrum > >To: "U.S. Metric Association" > > > >I thought about this issue about 4 years ago. I think the best unit for > >measuring screen sizes is dm² but I expect an adverse reaction from > >other members of this list. > > > > > >On 2011-01-12 1858, Michael GLASS wrote: > >> Dear People, > >> > >> There's a real problem with electronic screen sizes - all of them. This > >> includes cameras, video cameras, computers, DVD players GPS monitors and > >> television sets. > >> > >> > >> 1 Because the screens are different shapes, there is no fixed relationship > >> between the size of the screen and the measure given. > >> > >> 2 Even in cases where there is a fixed ratio between shape of the screen > >> and > >> the size of the screen, the increase in the size is not linear, but is > >> related to the square of the number given. > >> > >> 3 As a result, power consumption on larger screen sizes is far higher than > >> might be anticipated by looking at the screen size. For example, a 15 inch > >> computer monitor is very nearly a 33% larger than a 13 inch model whereas > >> 15 > >> is just over 15% larger than 13. > >> > >> 4 With the issue of global warming, the power consumption of larger screens > >> is a matter of increasing concern. > >> > >> 5 Even if you express screen sizes in metric terms the diagonal is still a > >> misleading measure of the size of the screen. > >> > >> It seems to me that the best way to express the size of the screen is to > >> give its area. So here is my conundrum: would it be better to express this > >> size in square metres, square millimetres or square metres? What do others > >> think? > >> > >> Michael Glass > >> > >> > > >
[USMA:49391] FYI - Moving
I shall be moving to my younger son at East Brunswick from Monday. Brij Bhushan Vij Saturday, 20110101H21:31(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com
[USMA:49365] FYI & Happy New Year RE: RE: Reprints of Patrick Moore's Article
Metchly, sir: I thank you for your informative 'Metric Measurement in the 21st Century'. Interesting reading. I have passed a copy to my son, who works for MEDCO, Franklin Links. I shall be moving for some time to my younger son at East Brunswick during next week. I take the oppertunity to WISH YOU and All USMA members for A VERY HAPPY & Prosperous NEW YEAR 2011 http://brijvij.com/bb_br-greg.fmt.pdf. May I draw your time to my investigating: Why can't the calendar FORMAT remain with minimal change: http://brijvij.com/bb_cal-cRiteria.pdf I thank you, however. SIncerly, Brij Bhushan Vij Friday, 20101231H14:21(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > From: mech...@illinois.edu > Subject: [USMA:49363] RE: Reprints of Patrick Moore's Article > To: usma@colostate.edu > CC: usma@colostate.edu > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:53:36 -0600 > > Thanks Carleton for your note of Packet received. > I hope you can even persuade your neighbors at NIST in Gaithersburg, MD to be > more active in promoting SI. What happened to the initiative to amend the > FPLA to *permit* metric-only labeling? Has it stalled in DoÇ? > > Gene. > > Original message > >Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:45:17 -0500 > >From: "Carleton MacDonald" > >Subject: RE: Reprints of Patrick Moore's Article > >To: > > > >It came in today's mail. Thank you very much. > > > >Carleton > > > >-Original Message- > >From: mech...@illinois.edu [mailto:mech...@illinois.edu] > >Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 13:55 > >To: Carleton MacDonald > >Subject: Reprints of Patrick Moore's Article > > > >Thanks for your address Carleton. > >I'll sent you a packed in the next batch. > >Gene. > >... >
[USMA:49252] Merry X-mass & Year 2011 RE: Re: imperial
Sirs: I take this opportunity to offer you and all contributers on USMA & Calndr-L listserv A Very Happy Christmas, and the YEAR 2011 Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_Gen8Cal2010.pdf and the revised FORMAT 'indicating' the FEATURES included for A POSSIBLE *never changing calendar* at: http://brijvij.com/bb_comparative-study.pdf May the coming Year bring you all Peace & Good health. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Tuesday, 20101221H16:19(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 17:57:41 + > From: tom.w...@tomwade.eu > Subject: [USMA:49251] Re: imperial > To: usma@colostate.edu > > > > Don't forget that it is most likely that the metric system would not > > exist at all without the influence of Benjamin Franklin, Thomas > > Jefferson, and George Washington; see > > http://metricationmatters.com/docs/USAMetricSystemHistory.pdf > > I agree completely, and you are right to keep emphasising the US > contribution to the metric system. > > I am trying to do the same thing from the opposite direction - emphasise > the fact that what the US has now is *not* an American system at all, > but the last remnants of colonial rule. Many people tend to resort to > nationalistic appeal to try and justify a reluctance to embrace new > ideas. This happens with respect to the metric system in the US and the > UK where opponents try to paint it as a foreign or EU (respectively) > conspiracy to force them to change what they claim is part of the > culture. Unfortunately, such appeals find fertile soil among many > people. Calling the current set up "US Customary" merely helps those > that try to associate reluctance to change with heroic resistance. > Rather than use emotional terms such as I listed before, merely refer to > it factually as Colonial, because that it really what it is. > > While I am here, may I take this opportunity to offer you and all the > contributers on this list a very happy Christmas, and a 2010 that is at > the very least, better than the year we just had. > > Regards > > -- > Tom Wade > tom.w...@tomwade.eu >
[USMA:49190] Happy Holidays RE: Re: centimetre or millimetre
Jim, Pat & all: >.[USMA:49189] Re: centimetre or millimetre WHY, confuse the issue.and keep upkeeping, sir. Can't the list reconcile with the fact it the usage where the choice between *centimetre & millimetre* need be emphasised -- both being sub-units of the METRE belonging to Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites (SI)? Are we not undertoning 'more important issues' and spending huge resources of the tax-payer! Wishing U all a very Merry X-mass & Happy New Year during 'Holiday Season'. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Monday, 20101213H19:61(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:33:16 -0600 > From: j...@metricmethods.com > To: usma@colostate.edu > CC: usma@colostate.edu > Subject: [USMA:49189] Re: centimetre or millimetre > > Read me literally, Pat. You COULD publish such a document. What you > CHOOSE to do is another matter, which I mention just after that. > > Jim > > On 2010-12-13 1556, Pat Naughtin wrote: > > On 2010/12/14, at 06:32 , James R. Frysinger wrote: > > > >> Pat Naughtin could publish a document that omits the centimeter or > >> even deprecates it. But that would then be the Pat Naughtin System of > >> units (PNS), not the SI. > > > > Dear Jim Frysinger, > > > > You were mistaken when you wrote: > > > > /Pat Naughtin could publish a document that omits the centimeter or even > > deprecates it./ > > > > This is not the true situation from my point of view. I regard the > > centimetre from two points of view: metrology and metrication. > > > > Metrology > > The centimetre is a legitimate part of the SI and I have never said > > otherwise. On the rare occasions when I write about metrology you can > > rest assured that the centimetre will be in its right and proper place. > > > > Metrication > > If you choose to use centimetres for a metrication upgrade you will find > > that the process is expensive, tortured, fraught with difficulty, and > > painfully, painfully, slow. I mostly base this observation on my > > personal experiences with the building industries in Australia and in > > the Australian textile industry but I have also been able to observe > > many other industries in several nations. You might recall that I worked > > with the Australian building industry for close to 15 years, and with > > the Australian textile industry for about 10 years. My comparative > > observations are simple: > > > > 1The building industry upgraded to the metric system, in all aspects of > > all the trades involved, in under two years using millimetres. > > > > 2The textile industry is still struggling with their transition to the > > metric system using centimetres even after 40 years (1970 to 2010). I > > can see no chance of this industry finalising this metric transition in > > (say) the next 200 years as the forces of "anti-metric conversion", > > "metric conversion", "hidden metric", "hidden old pre-metric measures", > > "halves, quarters, and eighths", and "ignore it and it will go away" are > > far too strong. See > > http://www.metricationmatters.com/docs/ApproachesToMetrication.pdf > > > > Given these observations, you might begin to understand why I do not > > use, and I do not recommend, the use of centimetres for a metrication > > upgrade. > > If you are planning a metrication program using the "jewel" of > > centimetre, might I suggest that you get a large comfortable chair, then > > sit back and relax as you explain to your children, grandchildren, great > > grandchildren, and great great gra
[USMA:49103] Re: USA Treasury defines metrication
Bill, sirs: >.There is much objection to the "if" in the word metrification! Word 'Metrification' had often been used to express process(es) related to metric system or reform therein. It did confuse the issue - since METRICATION refers to the SI Metric System of Units - as I understood and have been promoting. However, the point that most engineers & scientists 'ignore or confuse with' has been the fact that count of units & sub-units in 'bunches' of 10's & 100's is what they consider is metric; BUT I pointed the missing factor that UNLESS the unit or quantity relates its relation with METRE, the unit for length measure cannot belong to the metric system i.e. Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites (SI Metric Units) and hence METRICATION! As such, the confusing "if" must be removed from the word *metrification* to express/relation of any unit or quantity with the metric reform. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Thursday, 20101209H16:34(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > From: mech...@illinois.edu > Subject: [USMA:49101] Re: USA Treasury defines metrication > To: usma@colostate.edu > Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:46:50 -0600 > > There is much objection to the "if" in the word metrification! > Let's stay with the official Treasury definition of "metrication." > > Original message > >Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 19:59:25 + > >From: Patrick Moore > >Subject: [USMA:49096] Re: USA Treasury defines metrication > >To: "U.S. Metric Association" > > > >Since we do not shrink from language reform, may I suggest “metrification”? > >Or would that be too meretricious? > > > >On 12/9/10 2:45 PM, "Bill Hooper" wrote: > > > > > >On Dec 9 , at 1:08 AM, Pat Naughtin wrote: > >Dear All, > > > >This might be useful: > >http://www.treasury.gov/about/organizational-structure/offices/Mgt/Pages/metrication-index.aspx > >It seems to be very thoughtfully written and there are some useful > >extensions on following pages. > > > >Metric Conversion Vs. Metrication > > > >I agree that the above link is useful (to have an "official" definition of > >metrication). > >I think many people, including I, myself, have also used the term "metric > >conversion" to mean the same thing as the US Treasury term "metrication". > >That conflicts with Pat Naughtin's use of the term "metric conversion". > > > >I have balked at accepting Pat Naughtin's position that the term "metric > >conversion" should be used ONLY to mean working in metric but converting all > >the necessary dimensions to or from Olde English units. I resist this > >definition because in my experience so many people (including myself) use > >"metric conversion" to mean the change from using Olde English measures to > >the sole use of SI metric measures (by whatever means). > > > >When some people read Pat's material that starts off condemning "metric > >conversion" (according to HIS definition), they think he is condemning > >metrication (according to the US Treasury definition). That's why I think > >Pat needs a different term to use when (properly) condemning the process > >that he now calls "metric conversion". I am thoroughly convinced that Pat is > >right in his condemnation of that process. I just think the term he uses to > >describe it is not clear to the majority of people. > > > >Therefore, I might make a deal with Pat. Let's compromise. > > > >Now that I have an "official" definition of metrication, I'll use that term > >instead of "metric conversion". I'm suggesting that Pat find a different > >term for what I see as a confusing use of the term "metric conversion". A > >possibility is "artificial metric conversion" or the like. > > > >What do you think, Pat? > > > > > >Bill Hooper > >1810 mm tall > >Fernandina Beach, Florida, USA > > > >== > > SImplification Begins With SI. > >== > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[USMA:48895] RE: Shirt to Promote Metric
Parker Willey Jr., Sir: > GoMetric!www.metric.org I wish I had some spare money; and invest in this cause. Although, in my little way I have been a promoter of 'NOT ONLY THE METRIC SYSTEM' but also worked for the reform of calendars - picking up the thread wherefrom the World Calendar Association proposal that fell through in 1956, as adjounment of Calendar Question at United Nations 'got bunglled' - perhaps due to political reasons and/or religious heads. A shirt to 'promote Metric is no wonder a splendid idea' Great ideas do take birth among the pooerest but flourish among the rich. I recall having read a small book "Ideas that Move the World". May be some ideas get triggered via my Home Page: http://www.brijvij.com/ . Please see the Rhyme - a modified version that I memorised as a child: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_mod-cal.rhyme.pdf Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Friday, 2010 November 19H14:59(decimal)EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:06:41 -0800 From: pawil...@pacbell.net Subject: [USMA:48893] Shirt to Promote Metric To: usma@colostate.edu I have an idea: The USMA has bumper stickers, calculators, Celsius thermometers, etc. on the page http://www.metric.org/supplies.htm Many companies and organizations distribute shirts that display a logo promoting their product or idea. How about a shirt promoting metric conversion? It might say something like: To Make America Competitive Again:GoMetric!www.metric.org on the front and back. Shirts should then be available on the above site for whatever cost it is to have the shirts made. Those promoting metric should wear your metric shirt to: * The YMCA or gym while exercising. * A town meeting of your Senators or Representative. Check their web sites for dates and times. Sit in front so you can be easily seen. * School PTA meetings. * The supermarket. * Church events. * Any place else where you can network with people. This is only a suggestion. ...Parker Willey Jr. San Jose, CA
[USMA:48738] Re: journalist Fareed Zakaria on Charlie Rose show PBS
Pat & all, sirs: >Metrication can be done in a day. It takes about 30 seconds to learn enough >about the metric system . Where were such 'documents' hidden/burried for public was NOT given a chance to debate or examine, that led United States to suffer & eat up tax-payer's resources - which could have been better utilised! I take liberty to point 'once again' that Metrication be NOT mixed to mean 'decimalisation and/or multiplication/division' by 10's/100's/1000's. Units and symbols must also have some relation with the Length unit - METRE, to belong to Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites. Or else, I fear tax-payer has a reason to ask: Why not - then or even now? HAPPY HALLOWEEN and the coming of FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS, Diwali falling on November 05. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Sunday, 20101031H20:67(decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com CC: usma@colostate.edu; secret...@metric.org.uk From: pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:48736] Re: journalist Fareed Zakaria on Charlie Rose show PBS Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:56:26 +1100 Dear Ron, I have interspersed some remarks, in blue. On 2010/10/27, at 19:26 , Ron Stone wrote: i don't think that metrication need be so complicated. Metrication can be done in a day. It takes about 30 seconds to learn enough about the metric system to build any building or to manufacture anything that we use every day. Here is all you need to build the largest sky scraper in the world (or to remodel your bathroom). 1000 grams = 1 kilogram 1000 kilograms = 1 tonne 1000 millilitres = 1 litre 1000 litres = 1 cubic metre 1000 millimetres = 1 metre 1000 metres = 1 kilometre 1 metre x 1 metre = 1 square metre 1 metre x 1 metre x 1 metre = 1 cubic metre metre And that's it! Oh, and by the way, by making these choices you will rarely, if ever, need to use fractions ever again -- no decimals, and no common or vulgar fractions either. The only reason you would add any other metric system multiples or sub-multiples is if you feel a need to delay your upgrade to the metric system for as long as you can. For example, if you add centimetres to the above mix you can delay your metrication upgrade for 200 years or more. See http://www.metricationmatters.com/docs/centimetresORmillimetres.pdf and, by the way, I am not saying that the centimetre is not a legitimate part of the metric system, I am simply reporting on my observation that to use centimetres for a metrication upgrade slows the entire process dramatically. sure, a lot more can be said about good preparation and planning. and there certainly are many different levels of government involved. Actually, I think that the federal government is the only government level involved as measurement for the USA is written into the Constitution. there has also been a lot of misinformation about metrication. True, see http://www.ukma.org.uk/Why/Myths.aspx?mid=7 there are likely roles for metrication throughout the various levels of government. Different levels of government will often do their best to interfere with the metrication upgrade in the USA, but it is still a federal government responsibility under the Constitution of the USA. John P. Kotter, a professor at Harvard who studies the process of change, writes in Buy-in that opponents of change take these forms: * fear mongering * delay * confusion * ridicule (or character assassination) No doubt, as a proponent of the metric system you have experienced all of these. For further details of John P. Kotter's writings on the process of change go to http://metricationmatters.com/ChangeProcess.html where I make some recommendations of Kotter's books. in any case, because metrication can provide a number of more economic benefits to any of our communities, i support efforts to metricate in all of the vari
[USMA:48677] Need for New Definitions RE: Re: The metre we use
Pat, James sirs: >> /*The metre has never changed in length, only the definition has been > rewritten to provide better accuracy and precision.*/ The reason, to my mind - as I felt and examined; was a delibrate or otherwise 'thought' among intellegensia was to keep the distiction between *Statute & Nautical distances* and the clock time using 12/24-hours x 60m x60s. SIXTY (60) being easier to use since divisible by 2, 3, 4, 5. 6, 10, 12, 15, 20 & 30 - some 10 numbers while Metre had been a recent invention 'and unacceptable' to several nations - especially United States - now feeling the pinch since around 95 to 98% of world population is already using Le Systeme International d'Unites (SI in all languages). In what hope was US 'bidding' that they allowed their economy to suffer beyond reason - now woring for cost of conversion? I tried to provide a meaningful definition for The Metric Second & linked this to Length Unit, Metre (1973) discussed with USMA and Calndr-L! During my examination of processed material, I find use of METRE is traced down to Indus civilisation, see: http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_Ind-stps.aZtec_brCal-links.pdf and http://www.brijvij.com/indusEvidence.doc. Early 1990's brought me to realise that my 'break-through' was not heading anywhere; giving me a chance to re-think the entire working of my crusade with Metrication and Reform of the Gregorian calendar - keeping in mind the need to bridge: time-arc-angle/length axis. Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_shelving-NMile.pdf. It is, therefore, needed & necessary that Length & time units have new values that are simple & realistic like: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_deci-sec-nu-mtr.pdf My regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Tuesday, 20101019H00:29(decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > From: carlet...@comcast.net > To: usma@colostate.edu > Subject: [USMA:48676] Re: The metre we use > Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:55:25 -0400 > > Huh. Wonder what would have happened to measurement standards in this > country if the pirates HADN'T attacked ... > > Carleton > > -Original Message- > From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf > Of James R. Frysinger > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 21:34 > To: U.S. Metric Association > Subject: [USMA:48675] Re: The metre we use > > The following is from my web page of metric history (not online at the > present time). > > 1795 France adopted the metric system. An attempt to carry a copy of the > earliest meter standard to the United States ended in tragic failure. > Not wishing to wait for the [Delambre-Méchain] survey to be > completed, > France enacted a law requiring the use of the metric system, based on > provisional standards. A provisional meter standard was devised based on > an earlier survey of France, carried out from 1739 to 1744. Copies of > this meter, graduated rulers, and provisional kilogram standards were > manufactured and distributed to the 559 districts of the French > Republic. A botanist named Dambey embarked on a trip to the United > States with a copy of the provisional meter and kilogram standards. > However, the ship he was on was attacked by pirates in the Caribbean and > he was either captured or killed. The standards he carried were lost and > have never been found. > > 1799 Delambre and Méchain presented their survey results, which were > accepted at an international conference. Metric standards were > fabricated and certified. > Delambre and Méchain completed their work in surveying a meridian > using > triangulation methods from Dunkerque to Barcelone and their work was > accepted at an international conference (conseil des Cinq Cents et au > Conseil des Anciens) after compromises were made regardin
[USMA:48656] Re: 2010 October
JM Steele, Pat and all: In my USMA 48646, I pointed: "Pat & ALL sirs: >.but did anyone notice that this month of October this year has: >5 Fridays. >5 Saturdays. and >5 Sundays. WHY THIS YEAR ALONE? This property in my proposed format: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_cb2013mgc.pdf, can be seen in every years in the month of March from 2013 onwards... What is so special about FIVE(5) Fridays, Saturdays & Sundays in a month of the year. Brij Bhushan Vij 20101012H05:75(decimal) EST" >.Perhaps Brij can confirm this for us. If Gregorian calendar had month-start with FRIDAY and the month having 31 days, the MONTH be it October or any other carry "five(5) Fridays, 5 Saturedays & 5 Sundays" as: Fridays: 1,8,15,22 & 29; Saturdays: 2,9,16,23 & 30; and Sunday: 3,10,17,24 & 31 Naturally, this 2010 October had its start on a FRIDAY. What is the problem and/or confusion, I may have missed the point? Regards. Brij Bhushan Vij Wednesday, 20101013H00:57(decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 04:02:17 -0700 From: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [USMA:48647] Re: 2010 October To: usma@colostate.edu As a civil calendar (ignoring full moons and Easter), the Gregorian calendar repeats its sequence exactly every 400 years. However, that 400 year cycle is made up of 28 year sub-cycles which are occasionally broken by century years. There are only 14 possible calendars, one for each possible start day (7) times two, for common and leap years. In a 28 year cycle, each of the seven common calendars occur 3 times and the each of the seven leap year calendars occur once. Ignoring the three century years which are not leap years, this occurs four times in each 28 year period that does not cross a non-leap century year. Since 2000 was a leap year and I neither saw 1900 nor will see 2100, it happens 4 times in 28 years (average 1/7) for me, in all years where October 1 falls on Friday. Unless the journalist knows 462 other days of the week it could start on, the journalist is wrong. In 400 years, I think there must be 57 or 58 occurances, but I didn't bother to count. From: Pat Naughtin To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 1:42:58 AM Subject: [USMA:48643] 2010 October Dear Brij and All, A local newspaper reported today that this month is a little peculiar. Most of us have used the date 10-10-10 to promote metrication in our own sphere of operations but did anyone notice that this month of October this year has: 5 Fridays. 5 Saturdays. and 5 Sundays. According to the newspaper report this only happens once in 463 years but the reporter wasn't sure of this figure. I don't know where to start on a number like this. Perhaps Brij can confirm this for us. Cheers, Pat Naughtin Author of the ebook, Metrication Leaders Guide, see http://metricationmatters.com/MetricationLeadersGuideInfo.html Hear Pat speak at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lshRAPvPZY PO Box 305 Belmont 3216, Geelong, Australia Phone: 61 3 5241 2008 Metric system consultant, writer, and speaker, Pat Naughtin, has helped thousands of people and hundreds of companies upgrade to the modern metric system smoothly, quickly, and so economically that they now save thousands each year when buying, processing, or selling for their businesses. Pat provides services and resources for many different trades, crafts, and professions for commercial, industrial and government metrication leaders in Asia, Europe, and in the USA. Pat's clients include the Australian Government, Google, NASA, NIST, and the metric associations of Canada, the UK, and the USA. See http://www.metricationmatters.com/ to subscribe.
[USMA:48646] RE: 2010 October
Pat & ALL sirs: >.but did anyone notice that this month of October this year has: 5 Fridays. 5 Saturdays. and 5 Sundays. WHY THIS YEAR ALONE? This property in my proposed format: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_cb2013mgc.pdf, can be seen in every years in the month of March from 2013 onwards... What is so special about FIVE(5) Fridays, Saturdays & Sundays in a month of the year. Brij Bhushan Vij 20101012H05:75(decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:48643] 2010 October Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:42:58 +1100 Dear Brij and All, A local newspaper reported today that this month is a little peculiar. Most of us have used the date 10-10-10 to promote metrication in our own sphere of operations but did anyone notice that this month of October this year has: 5 Fridays. 5 Saturdays. and 5 Sundays. According to the newspaper report this only happens once in 463 years but the reporter wasn't sure of this figure. I don't know where to start on a number like this. Perhaps Brij can confirm this for us. Cheers, Pat Naughtin Author of the ebook, Metrication Leaders Guide, see http://metricationmatters.com/MetricationLeadersGuideInfo.html Hear Pat speak at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lshRAPvPZY PO Box 305 Belmont 3216, Geelong, Australia Phone: 61 3 5241 2008 Metric system consultant, writer, and speaker, Pat Naughtin, has helped thousands of people and hundreds of companies upgrade to the modern metric system smoothly, quickly, and so economically that they now save thousands each year when buying, processing, or selling for their businesses. Pat provides services and resources for many different trades, crafts, and professions for commercial, industrial and government metrication leaders in Asia, Europe, and in the USA. Pat's clients include the Australian Government, Google, NASA, NIST, and the metric associations of Canada, the UK, and the USA. See http://www.metricationmatters.com for more metrication information, contact Pat at pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com or to get the free 'Metrication matters' newsletter go to: http://www.metricationmatters.com/newsletter to subscribe.
[USMA:48631] Food for thought RE: speech
>> Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. May be some ideas 'generate through my' http://www.brijvij.com/bb_cb2013mgc.pdf . Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Saturday, 20101009H02:79 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > From: p...@phma.optus.nu > To: usma@colostate.edu > Subject: [USMA:48623] speech > Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 07:17:44 -0400 > > In my public speaking class, the next speech is to inform. I'm doing mine on > the history of the metric system. > > Pierre > -- > Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. >
[USMA:48630] GRAM vs GORILLA RE: IT'S 10-10-10 --- TIME TO TALK ABOUT AMERICA'S 1000-KILOGRAM GORILLA! U.S. METRIC ASSOCIATION www.metric.org
Paul, sir: Indeed worth consideration! There has been quite a discussion on 'Re-naming' the Unit for 1000 Kg; some time ago, I suggested to differentiate between *gram and kilogram* by using all cap GRAM, to mean kilogram i.e. 1000g =1 GRAM with symbol, G (also for GORILLA, G). The inastant 2010, October 10 at 10:10:10 may mean 'memorable and go down the history, if CCU cosider this approperiate'. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij Saturday, 20101009H02:64(decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: trus...@grandecom.net To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:48627] IT'S 10-10-10 --- TIME TO TALK ABOUT AMERICA'S 1000-KILOGRAM GORILLA! U.S. METRIC ASSOCIATION www.metric.org Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:43:58 -0500 PRESS RELEASE 2010-10-08 U.S. METRIC ASSOCIATION, INC. www.metric.org “IT's 10/10/10---TIME TO TALK ABOUT AMERICA'S 1000-KILOGRAM GORILLA!” On Sunday, Americans will write the date “10/10/10,” signifying in part that they can no longer avoid the number 10 in measurement--U.S. changeover to the decimal metric system of measurement as the everyday measurement system of the American people can no longer be swept out of sight. The Congress, which has the power under the Constitution to set the measurement standard for the United States, has long since spoken on the subject. In 1988, it proclaimed a national policy making the metric system our country’s preferred system of measurement for trade and commerce (Public Law 94-168, Sec. 205b). Yet, very little has been done to make thatpolicy a reality. America’s ship of infrastructure is now sinking in a metric tsunami of trading partners (the only other countries that have no plan to go metric are Myanmar and Liberia!). U.S. persistence in the use of traditional units remains a barrier to trade and academics, and it continues to rob the American people of the efficiency of decimal measurement---here in the very country that pioneered decimal currency in the 1790s. But, the largest obstacle to U.S. changeover to the metric system of measurement is silence. America’s refusal to go metric is the 1000-kilogram gorilla in the living room of discussion on why the country is showing signs of decline. This weekend, as we approach the date 10/10/10 and the start of National Metric Week 2010, we at the U.S. Metric Association urge you to talk about the issue. Raise the issue with your colleagues leaders in American government, industry,academia. The U.S. Metric Association is a non-profit, national organization founded in 1916 and dedicated to U.S. conversion to the International System of Units (SI, the modern metric system) as the Nation’s primary, everyday measurement system. We provide metric-system education to the media, government, industry, academia, and the general public. We can help you break the silence on the metric system. In America, it’s time to start talking metric! As you have done many times before, please contact us for information and assistance. We hope you will join us in this effort. not only during these days surrounding 10/10/10, but also throughout each year. SIncerely, Paul Trusten, R.Ph. Vice President and Public Relations Director U.S. Metric Association, Inc. National Public Relations OFfice Midland, Texas US +1(432)528-7724 www.metric.org trus...@grandecom.net
[USMA:48588] Re: So What Does the AP Stylebook Really Say
Sirs: >I suspect a well-written letter to AP (or preferably lots of them) complaining >about their usage would be more effective than burning piles of Style Manuals, >but I must >admit that I have not yet gotten the courtesy of a reply to my >letter from AP. Is this not unfortunate that 'Style Manuals' wherein EMPHASIS is agreed for the use of Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites (SI in all languages), preferred spellings between countries remin - to continue creating the root cause for confusion? We do go by Nationality and wish to grant the authorship of "ideas & inventions" to encourage IDEALS for future generations. During my 8-years of comunications/interaction with experts on listserv with USMA & Calndr-L, I see tonning down my contributions - is it because I am an immigrant - born In a place in Pakistan, lived a refugee life in India struggling to accomplish my zeal to be educated and allowed my children/grandchildren to grow as settles in United States; thus losing my self-identity. My appology for going a bit sentimental - no place in intellegensia. I think when the signing of 'Convention du Metre' had taken roots, it was generally agreed to let SI be the language of ALL nations. While I am no party to trend setters, my only submission to intellegensia is to FOLLOW the recommended spellings from the bibles of BIPM/CCUs/CGPM rather than leave some gaps that already have done more harm than good to Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites. I mean NO DISRESPECT to authors of maual framing. With due regards & appology for 'this' intervention, sirs. Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55468)/1726+D-269W40-03 (G. Wednesday, 2010 September 29H20:44 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:17:32 -0700 From: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [USMA:48587] Re: So What Does the AP Stylebook Really Say To: usma@colostate.edu Agreed. In fact the SI Brochure notes the spelling difference. Except for noting it, and stating a preference for the British, it makes no other comment. It does not criticize the spelling difference. The US version, NIST SP330, notes both spellings and prefers the American. In that, it is in agreement with US Government Printing Office Style Manual. In my opinion, those two should be the references the AP Style Manual needs to maintain consistency with. Of course, as Anthony points out, the SI Brochure does define the symbols, and km/h, not kph, is the proper SI symbol for kilometers per hour. I suspect a well-written letter to AP (or preferably lots of them) complaining about their usage would be more effective than burning piles of Style Manuals, but I must admit that I have not yet gotten the courtesy of a reply to my letter from AP. From: Patrick Moore To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 3:20:54 PM Subject: [USMA:48585] Re: So What Does the AP Stylebook Really Say BIPM does not specify spelling, nor does BIPM have the authority to do so. Metre is a foreign spelling in the USA and many other countries. On 9/7/10 9:59 PM, "Anthony O'conner" wrote: John, What does the BIPM style book say? The BIPM publishes free the SI Brochure. The SI Brochure gives the unit names, the correct unit spelling for English and the correct symbols. http://www.bipm.org/en/si/si_brochure/chapter2/2-1/#2-1-2 Table 1. SI base units Base quantity SI base unit Name Symbol Name Symbol length l, x, r, etc. metre <http://www.bipm.org/en/si/si_brochure/chapter2/2-1/metre.html> m mass m kilogram <http://www.bipm.org/en/si/si_brochure/chapter2/2-1/kilogram.html> kg <http://www.bipm.org/en/si/si_brochure/chapter3/3-2.html> time, duration t second <http://www.bipm.org/en/si/si_brochure/chapter2/2-1/second.html> s electric current I, i ampere <http://www.bipm.org/en/si/si_brochure/chapter2/2-1/a
[USMA:48520] World Metric Instant RE: 10-10-10
John sir: >.I presume this > country will be metric. John has raised this in the hope that US shall take another 100-years of wasteful 'hope' before it decides to GO METRIC and save the country from 'wasting tax-payers' money before falling in line with rest of the world in going metric/the SI metric way. I have been in my little way calling upon intellegntia to promote 'metric reform' since 1975. AND 'this year's World Metric Instant comes on: 2010 October 10H10:10:10 i.e. 2010 October 10H10h:16md:94.4sd (decimal). The instant shall correspond to 16 decimal minutes (md) & 95th decimal seconds( sd) after 10-hours on 2010 October 10th - the tenth day of tenth month in the 10th year after Y2000 =(15*128+80). Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55454)/1726+D-255W38-03 (G. Wednesday, 2010 Septemtember 15H17:45 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 08:11:20 -0500 > To: usma@colostate.edu > From: jrdun...@igc.org > Subject: [USMA:48513] 10-10-10 > > What celebrations are planned for Metric Day 2010? I presume this > country will be metric by the time the opportunity to celebrate comes > around again (2110-10-10). > > John >
[USMA:48502] Ideas & Inventions RE: Re: So What Does the AP Stylebook Really Say
Madam/Sirs: >.However, being so large, it is difficult for ideas from outside the US to >penetrate the US. Australia,.needs to import a large number of ideas – >the >result is that she will import the best, be they American, British, >German etc. Is this a 'compliment or PAUSE to think'? While it is understandable that most of the intellegentia lives & surfaces in the west, besause impgrenation of ideas/ideals are linked to 'freedom of thought and mind' which gets dissolved among lands that are not so fortunate to have the 'right literacy levels or the cultural imabance'. Max Mauller emphatically...contributed: "If you are searching for solutions to unanswered questions.I POINT TO INDIA!" The fortunated part for west has been that India has remained under conditions of slavery and subjudication.for over 2000 years with shattered economic conditions of her siblings; it is but natural that ideas & inventions were NOT ALLOWED to surface. Long ago I saw a theme 'documentary - Ek Doctor Ki Maut (meaning Death of A Doctor) where in his struggle for the life times wroks is stolen by a foreign correspondent - being the rsearch on mice cancermain actors Ms Shabana Azmi & Pankaj Kapoor. Heros life time works meet the natural fate in the official babus and their RED TAPISM. Individuals are again 'no where against the organisations striving to work, even for the common goal. I shall be luck if I see the results of the proposed format of my MODIFIED GREGORIAN CALENDAR, http://www.brijvij.com/bb_cb2013mgc.pdf - the result of my several formats produced since 1970-71, http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_med-pub71...pdf and http://brijvij.com/bb-karl_brij-Contri2k9.pdf. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55451)/1726+D-252W38-00 (G. Sunday, 2010 September 12H13:69 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: vliets...@btinternet.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:48498] Re: So What Does the AP Stylebook Really Say Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 07:17:57 +0100 John, In many ways I would give equal weight to Australian and American publications. The US is a much larger country (population-wise) that Australia and is therefore the home of much original thinking. However, being so large, it is difficult for ideas from outside the US to penetrate the US. Australia, on the other hand, is a well developed, first-world country, but being relatively small, needs to import a large number of ideas – the result is that she will import the best, be they American, British, German etc. That is not to say that the Aussies import all their ideas – they are, as far as I know, leading the development of one of the proposals for the new kilogram – the sphere of silicon. From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of John M. Steele Sent: 10 September 2010 13:13 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:48488] Re: So What Does the AP Stylebook Really Say Thank you. I'd prefer to argue from a good American source, but the suggestion gave me an idea. I went off to look at the US GPO (Government Printing Office) Style Manual. It is available as a pdf. However, in my pdf reader, it renders poorly with many spacing errors (perhaps due to kerning in the original?). It you make allowance for the spacing and put broken words back together, it makes sense. It is over 460 pages and I just skimmed it. I think NIST must have advised on the metric as it all seems correct. My impressions (please recognize I searched some sections more carefully than others): *If they take a stand on metric vs. Customary, I can't find it. They describe both. *Around page 247, they define symbols for metric and Customary units. They are all correct, but they include a few obsolete ones such as Mc for megacycle (s/b megacycle per sec) but they recommend MH
[USMA:48463] Universal Teperature Scale (*UT) RE: Re: kelvin
Sirs: It is not my desire to confuse the 'kelvin Tempertaure Scale (ºK)' or the new emerging need for its revision. However, I pointed a method to resolve "Negative Temperatures" in 1982, if and when the need to re-consideration of defining KELVIN - the thermodynamic temperature scale, arose. KELVIN was accepted at 13th CGPM (1967) as the unit for thermodynamic temperature - as the fraction 1/273.16 at tripple point of water. I placed the 'idea of extending' the thermodynamic scale between Absolute Zero (-273.16ºC) and Steam Point (100.00ºC), thus making each 100-graduation as 1-degree Universal Temperature Scale i.e. 1-UT =(273.16+100) div.100 =3.7316*K. This idea had been placed between pages 87 thro 90 in my book Towards A Unified Technology (1982) among the Chapter SI UNITS - REDEFINED (pages 72 thro 95). Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55443)/1726+D-244W36-06 (G. Saturday, 2010 September 04H13:69 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 04:39:37 -0700 From: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [USMA:48462] Re: kelvin To: usma@colostate.edu I was also a bit confused on this, as well as thermodynamic temperature vs the ITS-90 practical temperature scale. The first link is from our friend Anthony O'Conner. I am aware many people have set him to "ignore," but the article is worth a read. The second is a follow-on link from the first on ITS-90. The two, taken together, clarified things a bit for me. http://www.nature.com/news/2009/170609/full/459902a.html http://www.nature.com/news/2009/170609/full/459902a/box/1.html From: "mech...@illinois.edu" To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 12:04:56 AM Subject: [USMA:48460] Re: kelvin The triple point of water is the temperature at which the solid, liquid, and gas phases of isotopically natural water are in equilibrium. This temperature is the single fixed point of the "kelvin thermodynamic temperature scale"; defined numerically to be 273.16 kelvins. How can Boltzmann's constant be used to improve this scale? Where can we read the proposal for the 2011 CGPM meeting? Original message >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 20:41:10 +0100 >From: "Martin Vlietstra" >Subject: RE: [USMA:48457] Re: kelvin >To: , "'U.S. Metric Association'" > >There is of course talk of a proposal to redefine the temperature scale at >the 2011 meeting of the CGPM by defining the value of Boltzmann's constant >and using that definition to derive the triple point of water etc.
[USMA:48430] FW: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
Sorry I typed incorrect 'spelling'. Brij Bhushan Vij Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: postmas...@mail.hotmail.com To: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:46:40 -0700 Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. u...@colostete.edu --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: metric...@hotmail.com To: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net; u...@colostete.edu Subject: FW: [USMA:48429] Re: NIST & USMA RE: Re: ASTM SI 10 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:46:37 -0400 John Steele, sir: >.*Spelling and phrasing: Meter, liter, deka-, and metric ton are preferred >to metre, litre, deca-, and tonne Other than 'Dictionary usage', there must be good reason to defend for NOT FOLLOWING spellings used in rest of the world vs United States. While I am NO BODY to insist that Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites spellings be used by ALL to follow CGPM/BIPM SI brochure. Portals of education from United States have naturally more weightage than dependent nations and/or their student faculty. In my little way I have been attempting to feed in 'thoughts' that may mean some positive results. At least the technical writers/brochures can carry preferred "SPELLINGS" following in line with Le Ststeme Internationale, sir. >If you haven't convinced the BIPM (and my copy of The SI Brochure says you >haven't), we're not changing. I think, I am too small an individual to 'convince bodies like the BIPM/CGPM?ISO.' although my thoughts have been floating since I some of contributions were published through Bureau of Indian Standards (1971-73), New Delhi. Bottom line, however remain that: I could only cry like the little boy asking for milk from his mom.for some 40 years now! I talk for the benefit of 'children who are yet to learn - especially since I have lived my life...and feel satisfied that I have given my inputs. I post you the url on my Modified Gregorian Calendar, a more serious thought that has defied man's efforts of some 400-years: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_cb2013mgc.pdf or over. I thank you, sir. Warm regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55434)/1726+D-235W35-04 (G. Thursday, 2010 August 26H15:77 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:34:19 -0700 From: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [USMA:48429] Re: NIST & USMA RE: Re: ASTM SI 10 To: usma@colostate.edu Remarks below in blue: From: Brij Bhushan Vij To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 3:08:45 PM Subject: [USMA:48428] NIST & USMA RE: Re: ASTM SI 10 Patric Moor, James Frysinger, John Steele, Sirs: >While you wait for the new edition of ANSI SI10, you might consider NIST SP330 >and SP811. My post may be deemed 'out of context'; the point I intend r
[USMA:48428] NIST & USMA RE: Re: ASTM SI 10
Patric Moor, James Frysinger, John Steele, Sirs: >While you wait for the new edition of ANSI SI10, you might consider NIST SP330 >and SP811. My post may be deemed 'out of context'; the point I intend raising is interction among NIST and ANSI attempting to consolidate SI 10 and make it usable, among Industry and user friendly guide - at all levels: be it the student, engineer or the industrial user dedicated to "adopt Metric Norms falling in line with Le Systeme Internatioanle d'Unites". It appears, to me, that USMA and NIST are working independently that may leave some areas 'untouched' - like the denial of mereger between Time & Arc-angle in the past some 200-years i.e. since SIGNING the 'convention du metre' by United States. It is my hope that effort shall be directed to 'nip the evil' and produce the document ASTM SI-10, for long term benefit for US and the International community alike. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55433)/1726+D-234W35-03 (G. Wednesday, 2010 August 25H15:12 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > From: pmo...@asnt.org > To: usma@colostate.edu > Subject: [USMA:48427] Re: ASTM SI10 > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:47:15 + > > > Thanks. Actually, I am not seeking guidance, especially about style. I love > NIST SP 811. It is the first place I go for conversion formulas. > > ASTM publishes more than 14000 standards that guide U.S. commerce and > industry in diverse areas from paints to machinery. In the last 20 years, for > instance, contracts for the U.S. Department of Defense are more likely to > reference ASTM standards than military standards. It is difficult to > overstate the importance of ASTM to metrication in the U.S.A. Many of these > ASTM standards reference ASTM SI 10; for those that don’t need it, it is > there and ready when needed. > > > > On 8/21/10 5:56 AM, "John M. Steele" wrote: > > While you wait for the new edition of ANSI SI10, you might consider NIST > SP330 and SP811. Both are free pdf downloads. For technical editting, SP811 > would make a very satisfactory style guide in my opinion. Since you wouldn't > be spending any money, you could still get SI10 when it is available. > > > From: Patrick Moore > To: U.S. Metric Association > Cc: U.S. Metric Association > Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 9:54:01 AM > Subject: [USMA:48403] Re: ASTM SI10 > > > There are six technical editors where I work, and a personal copy of ASTM SI > 10 will be purchased for each of us. Complying with this standard will make > the engineering manuals we prepare more useful to the technical community we > serve and to posterity. > > Thank you for the information, and thanks to the entire committee for > updating the document! > > --- > > On 8/18/10 10:04 AM, "James R. Frysinger" wrote: > > > We are aiming at having the new SI 10 on the market by the end of this year. > > > > Jim Frysinger > > Vice Chair, IEEE/ASTM Joint Committee for Maintaining SI 10 > > > > On 2010-08-18 0822, Patrick Moore wrote: > >> > >> I notice on the ASTM website <http://www.astm.org/Standards/SI10.htm> that > >> ASTM is still selling the 2002 edition of consensus standard ASTM SI 10. > >> > >> Does one of us involved in the ASTM committee know when the superseding > >> document will be published? > >> > >> Thank you. > >> > >> _ _ _ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >
[USMA:48411] On Defining Metre New (m') RE: Speed of light
Harry sir: I reported the updated value published in Times, New York dated 1972 December 4th in my contribution "The Metric Second" published in ISI Bulln., V25 N4, 1973 April through Bureau of Indian Standards, New Delhi in my attempt to redefine LENGTH UNIT - Metre, in terms of Velocity of Light, when integrated with Unit for Time, Second & Metric Second (1973). Currently my thought-line suggest linking Time Unit & Length Unit via the arc-Angle as: 1/10^5th of surface distance on Earth, considered as a hypothetical sphere of 6371 kilometre, projected to list for benificial consideration. Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_deci-sec-nu-mtr.pdf Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55429)/1726+D-230W34-06 (G. Saturday, 2010 August 21H11:43 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com On Defining Metre New (m') RE [USMA48410] Speed of light http://cid-568b0a19660e39ff.skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?page=browse&resid=568B0A19660E39FF!223&type=6&Bpub=SDX.Docs&Bsrc=Docmail&authkey=SNc9N4fjRn0%24 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 06:31:12 -0700 From: hbwy...@earthlink.net To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:48410] Speed of light Lots of interesting metric talk in this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light HARRY WYETH
[USMA:48243] Let there be light...RE: Re: Question about US carpet sales.
Ezra, list: >Dark Ages over here still, I'm afraid ... Let there be lightand It needs mental imagination that 11 ft^2 is roughly ONE m^2 (actaully 1.022 m^2). Yes, it the attitude that matter! Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55391)/1726+D-206W29-03 (G. Wednesday, 2010 July 14H19:01 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:50:55 + From: ezra.steinb...@comcast.net To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:48240] Re: Question about US carpet sales. So, how does the UK practice of selling carpeting by the square meter square (if you'll pardon the pardon) with advertising residential room sizes in square yards? (or is it feet)? Don't consumers have to convert the square yards to square meters if they want to completely carpet a particular room (or set of rooms)? That seems rather awkward. And, yes, carpet is both advertised and sold exclusively using Imperial units (square foot, actually) here in the USA. Just as all real estate is described and leased or sold using those same units. Dark Ages over here still, I'm afraid ... -- Ezra - Original Message - From: "Stephen Davis" To: "U.S. Metric Association" Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:23:24 AM Subject: [USMA:48238] Question about US carpet sales. Are carpet lengths in the US sold by the sq yard? Of course, gasoline sales are still in gallons over there. If carpet sales are indeed still in sq yards in the US, (I suspect they are) it may well be worth the US government trying to metricate these two things, that is, sq metres for carpet sales and litres for gasoline sales, because, if the UK is any sort of measure, these two things may well be politically acceptable. Why? Well, UK traders accepted these changes virtually overnight because, to be quite frank, they could make more money out of them. Carpet stores and warehouses in the UK could legitimately charge more because a sq metre was more than a sq yard. In the case of gas sales (pr petrol) a litre was obviously far less than a gallon, allowing gas stations to exploit initial customer confusion and get away with charging more than what a litre was actually worth.. Noit certainly isn't the most moral way of introducing more metrication, but it sure worked over here and may well work over there too. It's sometimes amazing how the lure of more bucks can change attitudes. :-) _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4
[USMA:48242] Let there be light...RE: Re: Question about US carpet sales.
Ezra, list: >Dark Ages over here still, I'm afraid ... Let there be lightand It needs mental imagination that 11 ft^2 is roughly ONE m^2 (actaully 1.022 m^2). Yes, it the attitude that matter! Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55391)/1726+D-206W29-03 (G. Wednesday, 2010 July 14H19:01 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:50:55 + From: ezra.steinb...@comcast.net To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:48240] Re: Question about US carpet sales. So, how does the UK practice of selling carpeting by the square meter square (if you'll pardon the pardon) with advertising residential room sizes in square yards? (or is it feet)? Don't consumers have to convert the square yards to square meters if they want to completely carpet a particular room (or set of rooms)? That seems rather awkward. And, yes, carpet is both advertised and sold exclusively using Imperial units (square foot, actually) here in the USA. Just as all real estate is described and leased or sold using those same units. Dark Ages over here still, I'm afraid ... -- Ezra - Original Message - From: "Stephen Davis" To: "U.S. Metric Association" Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:23:24 AM Subject: [USMA:48238] Question about US carpet sales. Are carpet lengths in the US sold by the sq yard? Of course, gasoline sales are still in gallons over there. If carpet sales are indeed still in sq yards in the US, (I suspect they are) it may well be worth the US government trying to metricate these two things, that is, sq metres for carpet sales and litres for gasoline sales, because, if the UK is any sort of measure, these two things may well be politically acceptable. Why? Well, UK traders accepted these changes virtually overnight because, to be quite frank, they could make more money out of them. Carpet stores and warehouses in the UK could legitimately charge more because a sq metre was more than a sq yard. In the case of gas sales (pr petrol) a litre was obviously far less than a gallon, allowing gas stations to exploit initial customer confusion and get away with charging more than what a litre was actually worth.. Noit certainly isn't the most moral way of introducing more metrication, but it sure worked over here and may well work over there too. It's sometimes amazing how the lure of more bucks can change attitudes. :-) _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4
[USMA:48221] Metric vs Decimal RE: Lingua franca
Pat, Sir: >.Pat Naughtin helps people understand how to go about their metrication >upgrade —quickly and easily — by helping them avoid >mistakes that he has made >himself, or that he has seen made by others during his more than 40 years of >involvement with metrication >matters. Your commitment to 'metric implementation' since 40 years is almost close to my involvement in bridging the 'confused status' of using decimal sub-division of units as being those for METRIC multiples & sub-multiples. This I felt had been the reason wherein *Time units and Length unit* remained non-friendly and isolated that made me consider publishing the base contribution: The Metric Second (1973 April) through Bureau of Indian Standards, New Delhi and later The Metric Calendar Year. How come with your insight & expertise, even your 'expressive pen langauage' remained silent to detect this flaw, causing tilting sitauation between "metric system of units - that relate to length unit METRE; and decimal distribution of units & quantities leading to keep the confused status, even among the staunchest enthusiasts working for reform of Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites - SI Metric Units"? I believe and emphasise that Metric Units must have inter-relation with the Length Unit, METRE to belong to the SI Metric System of units. Some among my contributions point that the origin of Metric System of units could be traced to Indus Civilisation, as you may have noticed. Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/indusEvidence.doc and http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_Ind-stps.aZtec_brCal-links.pdf Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55389)/1726+D-204W29-01 (G. Monday, 2010 July 12H19:86 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com CC: usma@colostate.edu From: pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:48188] Lingua franca Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:08:39 +1000 On 2010/07/12, at 13:53 , James R. Frysinger wrote: My impression from the few I have talked to is that the "When in Rome" principle applies. They quickly revert to speaking the "lingua franca" of miles, feet, and inches. But they do seem to retain their comprehension of metric units for distance. Jim Dear Jim, By using the expression, 'lingua franca' are you saying that the metric system is French? Tch tch! My research suggests that the metric system is initially English, see http://www.metricationmatters.com/who-invented-the-metric-system.html Then the English 'universal measure' had decimal numbers firmly added to it in the USA by Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington. And finally, the French government made the 'decimal metric system' legal in France largely using the outline proposed by Thomas Jefferson early in 1790, see http://metricationmatters.com/docs/USAMetricSystemHistory.pdf Cheers, Pat Naughtin Author of the ebook, Metrication Leaders Guide, see http://metricationmatters.com/MetricationLeadersGuideInfo.html Hear Pat speak at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lshRAPvPZY PO Box 305 Belmont 3216, Geelong, Australia Phone: 61 3 5241 2008 Metric system consultant, writer, and speaker, Pat Naughtin, has helped thousands of people and hundreds of companies upgrade to the modern metric system smoothly, quickly, and so economically that they now save thousands each year when buying, processing, or selling for their businesses. Pat provides services and resources for many different trades, crafts, and professions for commercial, industrial and government metrication leaders in Asia, Europe, and in the USA. Pat's clients include the Australian Government, Google, NASA, NIST, and the metric associations of Canada, the UK, and the USA. See http://www.metricationmatters.com for more metrication information, contac
[USMA:48154] TimeOff RE: Re: progress of U.S. metrication
Sirs: >.I still think that we will have a better chance when the economy totally >collapses and outsiders take over. I am sure you are not serious! I suggest, you take 'time off' and close your eyes to ponder & THINK METRIC! Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55387)/1726+D-202W28-06 (G. Saturday, 2010 July 10H10:73 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 18:55:47 -0700 From: barkatf...@ymail.com Subject: [USMA:48150] Re: progress of U.S. metrication To: usma@colostate.edu It almost seems like Congress is deliberately trying to destroy America. It seems that the real terrorists are in Congress. That would be the whole idea. In order for distances and speed limits to have meaning they would have to be in supported units, that being metric. If you need a beer, just look at the optional supplemental metric indicator for the true amount. Or you can always drink wine or liquor, those products are truly metric. My point is it might be easier to make non-metric units non-legal than to get Congress to do what is right and in the nation's best interest. I still think that we will have a better chance when the economy totally collapses and outsiders take over. From: John M. Steele To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 7:05:14 PM Subject: [USMA:48148] Re: progress of U.S. metrication Congress needs to man up and force metric first. Congress has said FHWA can't force metric road signage, and, in fact, it has been withdrawn from the latest MUTCD. So I could drive any speed I want, and the cop couldn't do anything about it. Of course, that bridge height, or the distance to my destination would have no meaning. That would drive me to need a beer, except I'd have no idea how large it was as the Customary net contents is compulsary, and metric is optional, but the Customary is without meaning. (Didn't Captain Kirk trick a robot with that kind of reasoning?) After we are long metric, perhaps it could be considered, but it is not a way to start. The way to start is comprehensive legislation such that Customary alone is NEVER sufficient. The metric would be compulsary and Customary optional, even where Customary is now required. From: "Anthony O'conner" To: U.S. Metric Association Cc: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 6:52:39 PM Subject: [USMA:48147] Re: progress of U.S. metrication Paul, Thanks for the enlightenment. How much is the USMA involved in with the NIST? The reason I ask is because why hasn't the NIST played a more active role in pressuring the Congress to act to bring about full metrication? Afterall they play a pivotal role in assuring the standards for the whole world. One first step congress could make is to remove from legal status all non-SI units or those units presently tolerated for use with SI. This does not mean they should make them illegal, but what it means to withdraw all support for them. For example, an inch would no longer be legally 25.4 mm, but anything anyone wanted it to be. A pound would not be 454 g, but anything anyone would want it to be. By doing this it would sew confusion into the collection of non-SI units. They could no longer be trusted. The next logical step would be a greater number of citizens would gravitate towards SI usage in an attempt towards greater security when using supported units. This way no one is forced to change and it makes it easier on those that need to police and support more units than need be. How possible is this? Why or why not? From: "Paul Trusten, R.Ph." To: U.S. Metric Association Cc: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 6:26:45 PM Subject: [USMA:48144] Re: progress of U.S. metrication Anthony, Nope, I didn't start on this in 1916 because I wasn't born until 1952 (grin). I began my work for the
[USMA:48141] Well Said RE: Re: purpose of the USMA
Sir: >.John Kennedy once said: "Ask not what your country can do for you, but >what you can do for your country". Well, said: Mr President! But,..US is still 'wanting..?' No braging, but on my part, as an individual with NO resources, I made a start and am trying to give what I have within the capacity of an autodidact, sir. Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_vip-brief.pdf Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55386)/1726+D-201W28-05 (G. Friday, 2010 July 09H13:98 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 10:38:45 -0700 From: barkatf...@ymail.com Subject: [USMA:48139] Re: purpose of the USMA To: usma@colostate.edu Thank You Paul that is a very interesting resumé. Yes, you may be here, but who beside a few know this? I (and very few others) have no idea what the USMA has done simply because it is really all hidden! Metrication can't happen in a vacuum, it has to be out in the open. Out of curiosity Paul, how long have you been Vice -President and Public Relations director? I doubt you have held that position for 94 years. I'll admit that having metric declarations on all packages is better than having none, but to me it is a very minor thing. It is almost like something minor was given to you to keep you satisfied and with the hopes you will go away. Now 20 years later everyone is getting excited over another minor issue, that is the change in the law to allow metric only on packages. Sounds nice on paper, but is there a guarantee that a significant number of products will drop the USC? I doubt it. Even the NIST is saying that no one will be forced to drop USC. So where is the real victory in that? Do we have to wait another 20 years for the next step (if the nation is still in existence in that time)? I'm not too thrilled with the fact that the choice must be unanimous instead of a majority vote. All it takes is one bad apple to spoil the whole bunch. You are absolutely correct. We can't metricate with just a few drips here and drops there. But it seems that is the approach America has chosen. Only because there is no strong leadership supporting metrication. What is interesting about the present situation where the US is the last to change is that the US has the working experience of every nation that went metric before it. The US has the opportunity to put together a working plan based on what worked everywhere else. But for some reason the US just doesn't seem to have the smarts, the strength or strong leadership to make it happen. You are again correct when you say you can't do it alone. I wouldn't expect any help from outside the US. It is really in no one Else's interest for the US to metricate. Presently by not being metric the US is not a threat to anyone Else's exports. The continuing decline in America's industries and living standard is an issue the US alone has to deal with. It shouldn't be so difficult to find a popular friend in the media, a prominent member of the government, a well know company to be a pro-active supporter in the issue. John Kennedy once said: "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country". It seems that whom we think we can count on is looking more at what can be done for them and what they will personally gain in the short term then what is right for the country in the long term. Strong leadership and a strong will from metric supporters via the USMA is what is needed to bring people like Vernon Ehlers, Procter & Gamble together along with a popular media personality to campaign and advertise America's economical decline and how metrication can reverse that. I don't know of any but I would assume that the USMA should. You must have known someone in congress to get them to amend the FPLA in the '90s. Where are the
[USMA:48138] Time & Length RE: Re: Willingness RE: purpose of the USMA
Sir: The point I intended to home has been that failure of US going the 'metric way' has remained lack of teaching and/or learning right at base level, in the hope what anti-metric lobby took it for granted that some day Metric Reform shall see its failure by itself, while governmental funding & portals of education shall find 'suffocation at grass-root'. What else could you blame the failure of popularity of SI Metric System, while "Decimal and Metric" remain in a state of confusion! There shall NEVER be an SI Metric System of Units without providing a common linkage between Length Unit and Time Unit. The only "bridging I attempted had been via my base contributions: The Metric Second & Metric Calendar Year (1971-73)". I now provide this linking via my http://www.brijvij.com/bb_metro-contrbn.2007.pdf and http://www.brijvij.com/bb_deci-sec-nu-mtr.pdf. I left my Metric Calendar Year to gestate (1990's) in the hope of showing the possibility time & length units could be merged with minimal changes. Format of my Modified Gregorian calendar is placed at: http://www.brijvij.com/bb-tWCAcalvsM_GCal.pdf Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55386)/1726+D-201W28-05 (G. Friday, 2010 July 09H13:14 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 09:41:36 -0700 From: barkatf...@ymail.com Subject: [USMA:48137] Re: Willingness RE: purpose of the USMA To: usma@colostate.edu Sir, I'm afraid I don't understand a word you wrote. So whatever the point is I've missed it. Can you explain to me in simpler terms what you are trying to say? Thanks From: Brij Bhushan Vij To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 12:28:53 PM Subject: [USMA:48136] Willingness RE: purpose of the USMA Antony sir: >.But the truth be know, the masses usually look for strong leadership and >the USMA is showing weakness and has >done so for 94 years. Is it lack of USMA? Or, the lack of learning and expecting the WILL of 'central leadership' that need be evoked! The resistance, to me appear 'expectations of institutions of higher learning' that some day smaller nations would feel impact on their economy and STOP using the so called FRENCH 'metric system of Units'. The French only promoted: what had been in existance and burried in the ancient past - be it in Asia, Germany, Africa or America where SI Metric Units did exist. Half the job had already been done when 'Convention du Metre' was signed BUT it was the lack of 'Central Will' that defied implementation, while the option had been granted to 'convert to metric' at organisational level. This is where the youngesters were NOT made to learn, while the older had the option - why waste the earned profits! Let implementation begin via 'Portia-Shylock way'. This has only deferred use and the THINK metric - when linked to 'metre - the length unit' and remain confused with decimal distribution of *units & quantities*! Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55386)/1726+D-201W28-05 (G. Friday, 2010 July 09H12:48 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv
[USMA:48136] Willingness RE: purpose of the USMA
Antony sir: >.But the truth be know, the masses usually look for strong leadership and >the USMA is showing weakness and has >done so for 94 years. Is it lack of USMA? Or, the lack of learning and expecting the WILL of 'central leadership' that need be evoked! The resistance, to me appear 'expectations of institutions of higher learning' that some day smaller nations would feel impact on their economy and STOP using the so called FRENCH 'metric system of Units'. The French only promoted: what had been in existance and burried in the ancient past - be it in Asia, Germany, Africa or America where SI Metric Units did exist. Half the job had already been done when 'Convention du Metre' was signed BUT it was the lack of 'Central Will' that defied implementation, while the option had been granted to 'convert to metric' at organisational level. This is where the youngesters were NOT made to learn, while the older had the option - why waste the earned profits! Let implementation begin via 'Portia-Shylock way'. This has only deferred use and the THINK metric - when linked to 'metre - the length unit' and remain confused with decimal distribution of *units & quantities*! Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55386)/1726+D-201W28-05 (G. Friday, 2010 July 09H12:48 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 08:39:45 -0700 From: barkatf...@ymail.com Subject: [USMA:48134] purpose of the USMA To: usma@colostate.edu John, I don't think the USMA gets it! You bring up some very valid points. Is it any wonder that the USMA has been around for 94 years and hasn't made one dent in the fabric of non-metric usage. Whatever metric usage has happened in the US has come from those with foresight to take the risks and make the change. Unfortunately in many cases it means going outside the country to get products made in metric units at the expense of the American worker (who is also part of the blame) and the American living standard. This is a failure on the part of those who claim to want the US to metricate. I'm afraid that no amount of pleading with the people behind the scenes at the USMA is going to encourage them to take a firmer stance. They are too afraid they might scare the undecided away. But the truth be know, the masses usually look for strong leadership and the USMA is showing weakness and has done so for 94 years. It is their present stance that is frightening the masses away. If they want the masses to follow them, then need to project from a position of strength. I wish there was a simple way to make them see the light. But if there was it would have been done by now. Anyway thanks for taking the time to speak the truth even though others are too afraid to hear it. [USMA:47478] Re: Opponents of metrication change John Frewen-Lord Wed, 02 Jun 2010 23:20:38 -0700 I fully endorse free speech. However, having said that, you have to put that principle in the context of the forum concerned. Yes, let's have lots of debate on HOW to metricate, WHO to metricate, even WHY to metricate. But a discussion on WHETHER to metricate? Doesn't make sense to me on this forum. Surely whether to metricate is a given, else why bother with the USMA? Or is the USMA itself so unsure about whether the US should metricate it needs to allow (even encourage?) opponents of metrication free access to post their anti-metric views? If the USMA is in fact fully convinced that the US needs to metricate (and presumably it is, else why would it even exist?), then any postings (and subsequent discussions) that are anti-metric in nature are at the very least 'off-topic' and a waste of everyone's time. Stephen Humphreys, as has been pointed out in the past, is a 'wind
[USMA:48028] THINK as 10x10 RE: Re: Mars roving vehicle
Ezra & all, sirs: >.I doubt that the French philosophes would have been able to resolve this >issue (decimals, binary >fractions, 12s, 20s, or a combination of all of >these). I would not call this a failure of the French and/or other promoters of 'decimal metric system'; BUT a lack of political will that would slow on teaching the YOUNG ones - HOW 'not to THINK in - fractions'? True, the count to 12 has been a big hinderer since a multiple of 2, 3, 4, 6 & 12(itself) leading to 12x12 i.e. a GROSS. If hens delivered eggs and were collected/packed in 10's and sold as such; THINK and LEARN the 'decimal/metric counting' were automatic and packing in 10x10 i.e. HUNDREDS go well in trade. It is thus, the need to start rather find: Ways, how to impede the process! SIncerly all, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55379)/1726+D-194W27-05 (G. Friday, 2010 July 02H14:13 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:48020] Re: Mars roving vehicle Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 17:50:52 +1000 On 2010/07/02, at 13:00 , ezra.steinb...@comcast.net wrote: The only problem that I see is that NASA is perpetuating the use of vulgar fractions, which I am convinced is a terrible idea. I hope someone educates them to start using 50 cm (or 0.5 m) instead of "half a meter". Regards, Ezra Dear Ezra, This looks a lot like the discussion that took place in the USA before decimal currency of dollars and cents was introduced in 1792. In the 1780s some people, such as Thomas Jefferson, promoted a decimal currency while others, perhaps George Washington, were in favor of dividing currency into halves, quarters, and so on. Eventually a compromise was reached where both decimals and fractions were incorporated. This is still the situation with the currency of the USA in 2010. Basically Thomas Jefferson failed in his attempt to get an all-decimal currency for the USA. He was however successful when he promoted his decimal ideas in France while he was ambassador to that nation in the 1780s. I doubt that the French philosophes would have been able to resolve this issue (decimals, binary fractions, 12s, 20s, or a combination of all of these) without the pressure from Thomas Jefferson and his use of the successful decimal currency component as an example to convince the 'philosophes' that decimalisation was possible. As we now know this led to the success of the 'decimal metric system' in France and its subsequent success as the metric system in all other nations. By the way, it is my view that NASA would be well advised to work in millimetres rather than centimetres. See http://www.metricationmatters.com/docs/centimetresORmillimetres.pdf Cheers, Pat Naughtin Author of the ebook, Metrication Leaders Guide, see http://metricationmatters.com/MetricationLeadersGuideInfo.html Hear Pat speak at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lshRAPvPZY PO Box 305 Belmont 3216, Geelong, Australia Phone: 61 3 5241 2008 Metric system consultant, writer, and speaker, Pat Naughtin, has helped thousands of people and hundreds of companies upgrade to the modern metric system smoothly, quickly, and so economically that they now save thousands each year when buying, processing, or selling for their businesses. Pat provides services and resources for many different trades, crafts, and professions for commercial, industrial and government metrication leaders in Asia, Europe, and in the USA. Pat's clients include the Australian Government, Google, NASA, NIST, and the metric associations of Canada, the UK, and the USA. See http://www.metricationmatters.com for more metrication information, contact Pat at pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com or to get the free 'Metrication matters' newsletter go to: http://www.metricationmatters.com/newsletter t
[USMA:47943] mil vs millimetresRE: Re: Another application of millimetres
Pat, James and all sirs: >The mil (0.001 in) is also called a "thou" in the U.S. As a student learning the Metric units, I often came across 1/1000th on inch "a thou" which is 0.0254mm. BUT the emphasis need be placed among studet community to find the nearest equaivalent in other units to 'imagine' conversions for implementing their long term goal. I often used the 'vernier callipers and micrometre - both internal & external' to measure smaller distances of wire gauges or sheet metal. 1mm is 0.03936996 inch. The need, I feel is EDUCATION - the earler the better 'rather than find the stumbling blocks to delay the process of conversion' and let my grand children suffer in silence. Where do these children START! Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55371)/1726+D-186W26-04 (G. Thursday, 2010 June 24H13:04 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:47937] Re: Another application of millimetres Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:56:17 +1000 On 2010/06/24, at 11:16 , John M. Steele wrote: Be that as it may, it beats measuring in inches and converting as the article suggests. Dual is easy to find here, metric-only is generally not sold in DIY stores, you have to buy on eBay, or maybe from a pro tool company. So realistically, my choices are to measure in metric with a dual tape, or to measure in inches with an inch tape and convert. Which is more metric? If we forced Congress to ban one or the other, they'd probably ban the metric based on other abuses of the joke "metric is preferred" Dear John, You are right to suggest not letting politicians anywhere near this issue. In Australia, an attempt was made to restrict importation of inch-only and inch-metric tapes and rulers. The politicians heard of this and moved to prevent any restriction of this kind indefinitely into the future. The net result of the politician's actions was a proliferation of dual scales and inch-only scales to the eventual confusion of the general population (but not of crafts and trades people who soon moved to a millimetres only mindset because they used millimetres every day). The delaying effect of this political interference in Australia is what I use to base my prediction for the USA – a metrication process nearer the 200 year end than the 2 year end of the possible spectrum of metrication time options. This quote from Kevin Wilks' book, Metrication in Australia, is relevant. ## The Board consistently opposed the use of dual measurement statements and dual tape measures and other measuring instruments. Ample evidence existed to show that dual units inhibited attempts by the public to try their hand at metric measurements and significantly delayed the process of learning metric by continually postponing the opportunity to learn by experience. Yet clear evidence also existed that, faced with a situation of inevitability, metric units in everyday use were far from difficult and people learned quickly from an extraordinarily small number of experience repetitions. Arising out of this policy towards dual measurement, the Board sought and obtained an amendment to the Customs (Prohibited Imports) Regulations to prohibit the importation of non-essential, non-precision measuring instruments for ordinary use, except where it could be demonstrated that they were essential for the continued operation and maintenance of existing imperial plant which it would be unduly costly or impracticable to convert. At the same time, an agreement between local manufacturers of measuring instruments was obtained, if somewhat reluctantly, to manufacture dual or imperial instruments for the Australian market, only under conditions which would have applied if those instruments were to have been imported. The purpose of these regulations and agreements wa
[USMA:47643] Bravo RE: Re: Oil Spill Technical Team Using SI
Gene, Pat, sirs: >.probably reported at 1 000 meters. i.e. 3 300 x 0.3048 = 1 005.84 meters. >Note the >discrepancy of 5.84 meters between the value reported ... by the >Associated Press. >Shame on the AP distortion! I must congratulate 'AP' reporting staff that did the right job of using 'soft conversion' as the man on street would want; rather than 'hard accurate to mm conversion", as that learning teaching experience. This shall go well with 'lady in the four walls' and tiny learners/and school teachers making her little student understand the 'metric system'. Simolarly, 10 feet is around 3 metre and 11 yards is around 10 metre. To popularise the use and understanding of the Metric System, I have often stressed the distance between wickets on the 'Cricket Pitch' be STANDARDISED to 20 metre - which is 20.1168 yards, thereby ignoring 0.1168 yard. Distance between towns need not be measured in mm! Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55357)/1726+D-172W24-04 (G. Thursday, 2010 June 10H11:44 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com > From: mech...@illinois.edu > Subject: [USMA:47640] Re: Oil Spill Technical Team Using SI > To: usma@colostate.edu > Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:00:56 -0500 > > > Pat, > > In my local newspaper I read that an oil plume was located at a depth of "3 > 300 feet" which was probably reported at 1 000 meters. i.e. 3 300 x 0.3048 = > 1 005.84 meters. Note the discrepancy of 5.84 meters between the value > reported and the numbed down value disseminated by the Associated Press. > > Shame on the AP distortion! > > Gene, > Censor of Deviations from SI > > Original message > >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:29:29 +1000 > >From: Pat Naughtin > >Subject: [USMA:47625] Re: Oil Spill Technical Team Using SI > >To: "U.S. Metric Association" > > > > Dear Gene, > > You might be interested in this article in our local > > newspaper, 'The > > Age': > > http://www.theage.com.au/world/experts-at-loggerheads-over-oil-leak-rate-20100608-xtlj.html > > > > Since each of the sources has their own > > 'down-dumber' I don't suppose we can have any > > confidence whether the original data (kilograms, > > litres, cubic metres, metres per minute, metres per > > hour, gallons UK, gallons USA, feet per minute, etc, > > ) is being reported reliable given the possibility > > of multiple conversion errors. > > Cheers, > > > > Pat Naughtin > >... > _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3
[USMA:47568] RE: "I-19 is in midst of metric muddle" story (2010-06-08)
Paul, sir: >Metrication is like the "Love And Marriage" song---you can't have one without >the others. WELL, said. Anti-metric lobbyists need to reconcile that US economy need a push (not anti-teachings to younger generation). SI-ncerely, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55355)/1726+D-170W24-02 (G. Tuesday, 2010 June 08H11:26 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: trus...@grandecom.net To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:47566] "I-19 is in midst of metric muddle" story (2010-06-08) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 08:03:42 -0700 Dear USA Today, Ms. El Nasser's June 8 article on the confusion over Arizona's I-19 metric-only distance signs did not explain adequately the mission of the U.S. Metric Assiciation (USMA), which is for the U.S. to change over to the metric system of measurement as the Nation's sole, everyday, measurement standard. Such a coordinated process is called metrication. Except for Myanmar (Burma), The U.S. is the only country without even a plan to make the change. Once America completes a true metrication plan,that part of I-19 would be just another section of Interstate, and with some improvements. Metrication means that, not only are the distance signs in kilometers, but also,the speed limit signs are in kilometers per hour, the distance markers are on kilometers, the vehicle speedometers read in kilometers per hour, odometers accumulate distance in kilometers, and---most important---the drivers of the vehicles have received good mteric-system education prior to the switch. Metrication is like the "Love And Marriage" song---you can't have one without the others. For more information on the metric system and metrication, please visit www.metric.org . SI-ncerely. Paul Trusten, R.Ph. Vice President and Public Relations Director U.S. Metric Association, Inc. Midland, Texas, US +1(432)528-7724 trus...@grandecom.net staying at the long-time USMA Capitol Building, the Embassy Suites Hotel in El Segundo, California, adjacent to LA International Airport. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2
[USMA:47553] Quadrant 90* vs 100* RE: RE: Nautical measures
Sirs: >.Ther you are – blame it on our duodecimal clocks. NO, I think, it was Napoleon's agreeing for his coronation and later Cote d'Or - if I am right - who agreed to go ahead for 'metrication' ignoring the pressing for linking Time measure with Length Unit - that caused and left the continued confusion for implementing cgs, MKS, and later MKSA or Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites to remain *back bencher*. It was the Calendar - time measure - arc angle that left 'isolated' to be done independently and Sea Power of the British Fleet that did not permit Nautical Kilometre to be accepted, in technology. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55354)/1726+D-169W24-01 (G. Monday, 2010 June 07H16:84 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: vliets...@btinternet.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:47545] RE: Nautical measures Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 19:55:23 +0100 There was actually some logic behind the nautical mile. In the 1870’s when time zones were first being introduced a choice had to be made regarding the prime meridian – there were two candidates – Greenwich and the French equivalent. At the time the best maps were British and that swung the day. Also, clocks had 12/24 hours, not 10, so 360° was a better choice than 400. Ther you are – blame it on our duodecimal clocks. From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of Pat Naughtin Sent: 07 June 2010 06:37 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:47527] Nautical measures On 2010/06/06, at 17:12 , Martin Vlietstra wrote: For many years the Daily Telegraph quoted the height of high tide at Dover in feet without the benefit of a metric conversion, even though the height indicator at the Dover docks was only in metres, the admiralty charts were in metres and the published tide tables were in metres. Dear Martin, One of the (several) reasons that the French metric committee chose to use the Earth as a standard for the length of the metre was that they lived in an age when shipping and world exploration were extremely important issues. They intended that the measuring of angles in grades and the measuring of distances in metres and kilometres would drastically reduce the complexity of nautical calculations. Consider a quadrant of the Earth divided decimally. 1 quadrant = 100 grade = 10 000 kilometres 0.1 quadrant = 10 grade = 1000 kilometres 0.01 quadrant = 1 grade = 100 kilometres 0.001 quadrant = 0.1 grade = 10 kilometres 0.000 1 quadrant = 0.01 grade = 1 kilometres etc. Unfortunately sailors decided not to go with the simplicity of the decimal metric system so the transition to the metric system didn't work so far (from 1770 till 2010). People 'who go to the sea in ships' still cling to the pre-1770 measuring words. They continue to use: nautical miles for distance knots for for wind speed knots for vessel speed feet for vessel length inches for rope diameter etc. Perhaps your example is simply another example of irrational conservatism. Cheers, Pat Naughtin Author of the ebook, Metrication Leaders Guide, that you can obtain from http://metricationmatters.com/MetricationLeadersGuideInfo.html PO Box 305 Belmont 3216, Geelong, Australia Phone: 61 3 5241 2008 Metric system consultant, writer, and speaker, Pat Naughtin, has helped thousands of people and hundreds of companies upgrade to the modern metric system smoothly, quickly, and so economically that they now save thousands each year when buying, processing, or selling for their businesses. Pat provides services and resources for many different trades, crafts, and professions for commercial, industrial and government metrication leaders in Asia, Europe, and in the USA. Pat's clients include the Australian Government, Google, NASA, NIST, and the metric associations of Canada, t
[USMA:47540] Nautical Kilometre RE: Nautical measures
Martin, Pat and all, sirs: >.Consider a quadrant of the Earth divided decimally. 1 quadrant = 100 grade = 10 000 kilometres 0.1 quadrant = 10 grade = 1000 kilometres 0.01 quadrant = 1 grade = 100 kilometres 0.001 quadrant = 0.1 grade = 10 kilometres 0.000 1 quadrant = 0.01 grade = 1 kilometres etc. I assume, my base contribution: The Metric Second (1973 April) has not crossed your glance. Please see: The Metric Second; Indian Standards Institution Bulletin, New Delhi; V 25 N 4; 1973 April; pp 152-7; wherein I coined the new term - Nautical Kilometre and demonstrated the need for "linking time unit, metric second; and the new length unit, metre new" to arrive at a workable Metric Calendar Year (1973). In the current context, recent format of my Modified Gregorian calendar can be seen at: http://www.brijvij.com/bb-tWCAcalvsM_GCal.pdf The decimalised day of 24h x100dm x100sd are EQUATED to 24h x60m x60s; and the axial rotation of Earth is linked with *New Length Unit, metre new (m')* as: http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_shelving-NMile.pdf to define new METRE length (m'). Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55354)/1726+D-169W24-01 (G. Monday, 2010 June 07H12:76 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:47527] Nautical measures Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:36:43 +1000 On 2010/06/06, at 17:12 , Martin Vlietstra wrote: For many years the Daily Telegraph quoted the height of high tide at Dover in feet without the benefit of a metric conversion, even though the height indicator at the Dover docks was only in metres, the admiralty charts were in metres and the published tide tables were in metres. Dear Martin, One of the (several) reasons that the French metric committee chose to use the Earth as a standard for the length of the metre was that they lived in an age when shipping and world exploration were extremely important issues. They intended that the measuring of angles in grades and the measuring of distances in metres and kilometres would drastically reduce the complexity of nautical calculations. Consider a quadrant of the Earth divided decimally. 1 quadrant = 100 grade = 10 000 kilometres 0.1 quadrant = 10 grade = 1000 kilometres 0.01 quadrant = 1 grade = 100 kilometres 0.001 quadrant = 0.1 grade = 10 kilometres 0.000 1 quadrant = 0.01 grade = 1 kilometres etc. Unfortunately sailors decided not to go with the simplicity of the decimal metric system so the transition to the metric system didn't work so far (from 1770 till 2010). People 'who go to the sea in ships' still cling to the pre-1770 measuring words. They continue to use: nautical miles for distance knots for for wind speed knots for vessel speed feet for vessel length inches for rope diameter etc. Perhaps your example is simply another example of irrational conservatism. Cheers, Pat Naughtin Author of the ebook, Metrication Leaders Guide, that you can obtain from http://metricationmatters.com/MetricationLeadersGuideInfo.html PO Box 305 Belmont 3216, Geelong, Australia Phone: 61 3 5241 2008 Metric system consultant, writer, and speaker, Pat Naughtin, has helped thousands of people and hundreds of companies upgrade to the modern metric system smoothly, quickly, and so economically that they now save thousands each year when buying, processing, or selling for their businesses. Pat provides services and resources for many different trades, crafts, and professions for commercial, industrial and government metrication leaders in Asia, Europe, and in the USA. Pat's clients include the Australian Government, Google, NASA, NIST, and the metric associations of Canada, the UK, and the USA. See http://www.metricationmatters.com for more metrication information, contact Pat at pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com or to get the free 'Metrication matt
[USMA:47445] FW: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
My appology for mistyped address. Brij Bhushan Vij Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com From: postmas...@mail.hotmail.com To: metric...@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:31:54 -0700 Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. u...@colostete.edu --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: metric...@hotmail.com To: lists...@listserv.ecu.edu; metrolo...@bipm.org; tr...@pti.in; toke.no...@norbyhus.dk; u...@colostete.edu; mccar...@ecu.edu; lists...@ieee.org Subject: Updated FORMAT & Comparing with The World Calendar Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 19:31:51 -0400 Respected sirs: I deemed it fit to forward the *updated FORMAT* of my proposed calendar that I have been discussing with USMA & Calndr-L; and to provide the comparision against The World Calendar: http://www.brijvij.com/bb-tWCAcalvsM_GCal.pdf based on my 'original contributions' since 1970-71' http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_med-pub71...pdf and contributions on discussions with Calndr-L listserv: http://brijvij.com/bb-karl_brij-Contri2k9.pdf. It is unfortunate, Mr. Wayne Edward Richardson, Director - The World Calendar Association - International, desired that I removed his address from my senders list. My inputs have rather been for THE UNIQUE calendar to be used for civil purposes by humans on Earth, based on the best astro-data that I could reach or interpret. The SOURCE material is available at my Home Page: http://www/brijvij.com/ as compared to Source material of: http://www.theWorldCalendarAssociation.Org. My efforts do not belong to any religious group - be they Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, Budhist, Jews or Christians, as such this investigation is for the benefit of 'human race'. It is my hope that where modalities need be done from *Socio-scientific and/or Economic considerations*, I have NO objection to its basic change, provided I am kept informed and due citation is granted. My regards to all, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55344)/1726+D-159W22-05 (G. Friday, 2010 May 28H 19:53(decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda The Astronomical Poem (revised number of days in any month) "30 days has July,September, April, June, November and December all the rest have 31 except February which has 29 except on years divisible evenly by 4; except when YEAR divisible by 128 and 3200 - as long as you remember that "October (meaning 8) is the 10th month; and December (meaning 10) is the 12th BUT has 30 days & ONE OUTSIDE of calendar-format" Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" My Profile - http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact via E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. Get busy. _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1Reporting-MTA: dns;col0-omc1-s16.col0.hotmail.com Received-From-MTA: dns;COL117-W53 Arrival-Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:31:51 -0700 Final-Recipient: rfc822;usma@colostete.edu Action: failed Status: 5.4.0 --- Begin Message --- Respected sirs: I deemed it fit to forward the *updated FORMAT* of my proposed calendar that I have been discussing with USMA & Calndr-L; and to provide the compari
[USMA:47438] RE: Metric Fail: Measure for measure, US comes up short - US - World - The Times of India
For The Editor, Times of India, Bahadurshah Zafar Marg, Delhi Nat and all: I have observed sevral mails, but deemed it fit to sleep over. I feel I should react to Why America failed - possibly in the hope we shall go metric when time is ripe for changing over the whole-hog-way. I show some possiblity. Please see the link that show my calendar that can be switched on the day following (midnight) 2012 December 21/22, as Monday 2013 January 01, after 2 1/2 days needing correction now accumulated after the Papal Bull of 1582 October 05/14. "Mr Chidanand Rajgatta’s insertion on failure of Metric Reform and its deliberate delay, even after being the first nation among signatory states, seems laudable BUT unfortunate – shall I call it due to overhearing/missed reading the message of President Barack Obama’s, (six foot two) physical height of 182 cm as 182 inches. This is the nation that refuses to go by Le Systeme International d’Unites (SI Units) of METRE – the length unit, as locals consider ‘meter’. Even India does not use, sincerely the metric units: Cricket being such a popular game, distance between the wickets still remain 22 yards and not rationalized to 20 metre, Why? May be Mr Dhoni can ask the Directorate of Weigts & Measures or the point sent to the like of Mr Rajiv Shukla. America has held their horses in NOT converting to metric is understandable, since most ‘corporate heads’ deem it fit to consider if we can BUY heads, why can’t these be rolled over for a price! The pinch is being felt since most of the local consumables are being ‘imported and not manufactured’ – yet assembled for profiteering. However, this is not the reason I write, BUT the insisting that US shall go metric if and when there is a chance of *going metric the whole hog way* – is my view. I am positive with Pres. Barack Obama’s stature and the spirit to ‘change America for better technology’: I raised my line of thought, WHY NOT TIME and linked with ‘length unit’; and discrepancies in the Gregorian calendar. FORMAT of my new calendar is placed at < http://www.brijvij.com/bb_2013cal.pdf>. I have been communicating with US Metric Association and Calndr-L people, propagating and providing inputs for the Reform of Calendars since 1970-71 – to cite Time by Metric, TOI 1971 July 04 (Sunday). It was the small beginning leading me to become an Individual researcher to propose modifying the Leap Day Rule from ‘div.4/skip100th /count400th ‘ giving Mean Year of 365.2425 days TO enhancing on using ‘div.4/skip128th/count3200th’ getting mean year of 365.2421875 days (365d 5h 48m 45s.00) close to current duration of the year. Were we not happy using ‘kos (distance) or ‘girah’ and seer (weight) & ‘chattank’ and the Rupee with 16 ‘anna’: was there is pressing need, I asked Mr WB Mainkar, then Director Weights & Measures (India), while documenting the small booklet (1974 -75) celebrating 100-years of debates on proposed metric reform, as the preferred system for India. I have reasons to believe, within me, it may be through current President to take initiative providing strength to metric move for America and be the FIRST nation to adopt – SI Metric Units, the whole hog way (Time & arc-length) inclusive. I may not be surprised, sirs. Regards, Brij Bhushan VIJ E-mail: metric...@hotmail.com " While as an Air Force engineer, I was a regular contributor to media. My profile, may be seen at: http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_vip-brief.pdf Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55341)/1726+D-156W22-02 (G. Tuesday, 2010 May 25H23:39 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. My Profile:http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact # 001 (201) 675-8548 From: neha...@msi-sensing.com To: usma@colostate.edu CC: neha...@vzw.blackberry.net Subject: [USMA:47437] Metric Fail: Measure for measure, US comes up short - US - World - The Times of India Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:34:42 -0400 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Metric-Fail-Measure-for-measure-US-comes-up-short/articleshow/5962106.cms Nat _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5
[USMA:47434] FW: RE: An odd sentence
Sirs: Unfortunately I missed including the url: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_2013cal.pdf Extreemly sorry. Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55341)/1726+D-156W22-02 (G. Tuesday, 2010 May 25H11:94 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. My Profile:http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact # 001 (201) 675-8548 From: metric...@hotmail.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:47433] RE: An odd sentence Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:24:14 -0400 Pat and all, sirs: >The American metric system, the British metric system and the standard metric >system >(SI) are available. This does leave a scope for 'more confusion' and follow Le Systeme International d'Unites we wish implemented - the world over. I place the FORMAT of my 'new calendar' for a glance, and record should you like to update the 'timeline'. Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55341)/1726+D-156W22-02 (G. Tuesday, 2010 May 25H11:39 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. My Profile:http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact # 001 (201) 675-8548 From: pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:47426] An odd sentence Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:38:59 +1000 Dear All, What do you make of this odd sentence from http://crack-software.com/avd-volume-calculator-5-3-1-crack ? The American metric system, the British metric system and the standard metric system (SI) are available. Cheers, Pat Naughtin Author of the ebook, Metrication Leaders Guide, that you can obtain from http://metricationmatters.com/MetricationLeadersGuideInfo.html PO Box 305 Belmont 3216, Geelong, Australia Phone: 61 3 5241 2008 Metric system consultant, writer, and speaker, Pat Naughtin, has helped thousands of people and hundreds of companies upgrade to the modern metric system smoothly, quickly, and so economically that they now save thousands each year when buying, processing, or selling for their businesses. Pat provides services and resources for many different trades, crafts, and professions for commercial, industrial and government metrication leaders in Asia, Europe, and in the USA. Pat's clients include the Australian Government, Google, NASA, NIST, and the metric associations of Canada, the UK, and the USA. See http://www.metricationmatters.com for more metrication information, contact Pat at pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com or to get the free 'Metrication matters' newsletter go to: http://www.metricationmatters.com/newsletter to subscribe. The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy. _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5
[USMA:47433] RE: An odd sentence
Pat and all, sirs: >The American metric system, the British metric system and the standard metric >system >(SI) are available. This does leave a scope for 'more confusion' and follow Le Systeme International d'Unites we wish implemented - the world over. I place the FORMAT of my 'new calendar' for a glance, and record should you like to update the 'timeline'. Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55341)/1726+D-156W22-02 (G. Tuesday, 2010 May 25H11:39 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. My Profile:http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact # 001 (201) 675-8548 From: pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:47426] An odd sentence Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:38:59 +1000 Dear All, What do you make of this odd sentence from http://crack-software.com/avd-volume-calculator-5-3-1-crack ? The American metric system, the British metric system and the standard metric system (SI) are available. Cheers, Pat Naughtin Author of the ebook, Metrication Leaders Guide, that you can obtain from http://metricationmatters.com/MetricationLeadersGuideInfo.html PO Box 305 Belmont 3216, Geelong, Australia Phone: 61 3 5241 2008 Metric system consultant, writer, and speaker, Pat Naughtin, has helped thousands of people and hundreds of companies upgrade to the modern metric system smoothly, quickly, and so economically that they now save thousands each year when buying, processing, or selling for their businesses. Pat provides services and resources for many different trades, crafts, and professions for commercial, industrial and government metrication leaders in Asia, Europe, and in the USA. Pat's clients include the Australian Government, Google, NASA, NIST, and the metric associations of Canada, the UK, and the USA. See http://www.metricationmatters.com for more metrication information, contact Pat at pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com or to get the free 'Metrication matters' newsletter go to: http://www.metricationmatters.com/newsletter to subscribe. _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4
[USMA:47237] INDUS INCH RE: [USMA :47229] Re: Statute miles – both of them
Pat, USMA members sirs: Apart from list of several *INCH* measures, naming of an Indus Measure given by Sir Mortimer Wheeler (1921-22) was possibly to distract and keep the wedge between 'Imperial and Metric' system of Units. The measure, Indus Inch was kept/labled at: "fourth root of 3" and equalled 3.343 cm [or was it 33.53 mm?]. I processed this measure, kept in Indian National Museum, New Delhi, which was reported as: linking with TWICE THE METRE LENGTH, via Indus Kilometre presumed to have followed down through 'ancient indians' as KOS of 2000m distance. I have shown the dimensions of structure of Great Bath to have been built - to mathematical precision of *RIGHT-TRIANGLE* i.e. the Pythagoros theorem! Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/indusEvidence.doc This view, was published through Archaeological Survey of India, New Delhi in Commemoration Volume of Sir Mortimer Wheeler (1984) as Document # 16. In my recent exposition, I imagined that Harappan Calendar of "Lothal fame" that has 29 1/2 markings, which I linked to as: Harappan Lunar-Tithi Calendar rather than a 'solar day' calendar of ancients. Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_Lnr-Tithi_HarrCal..pdf and http://www.brijvij.com/bb-calcs_IAU-luniSlroptions.pdf. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55308)/1726+D-123W17-04 (G. Thurday, 2010 April 22H13:63 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. My Profile:http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact # 001 (201) 675-8548 From: pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:47229] Re: Statute miles – both of them Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 09:59:49 +1000 Dear John, Thanks for that; I like your argument. I will use it in future when it comes to question time at my metrication presentations. When someone uses an inch in a question such as, 'Isn't a horse measured in inches?, I reply, Which inches do you mean – do you mean the Imperial inch 0f 1824, the pendulum inch of 1834 when the UK Parliament burned down, the other Imperial inch of 1845, or the international (English speaking) inch of 1959? And now I can add, 'Or do you mean an inch associated with one or other of the various statute miles?' Cheers and thanks, Pat Naughtin Author of the ebook, Metrication Leaders Guide, that you can obtain from http://metricationmatters.com/MetricationLeadersGuideInfo.html PO Box 305 Belmont 3216, Geelong, Australia Phone: 61 3 5241 2008 Metric system consultant, writer, and speaker, Pat Naughtin, has helped thousands of people and hundreds of companies upgrade to the modern metric system smoothly, quickly, and so economically that they now save thousands each year when buying, processing, or selling for their businesses. Pat provides services and resources for many different trades, crafts, and professions for commercial, industrial and government metrication leaders in Asia, Europe, and in the USA. Pat's clients include the Australian Government, Google, NASA, NIST, and the metric associations of Canada, the UK, and the USA. See http://www.metricationmatters.com for more metrication information, contact Pat at pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com or to get the free 'Metrication matters' newsletter go to: http://www.metricationmatters.com/newsletter to subscribe. On 2010/04/22, at 08:45 , John M. Steele wrote: I would challenge that the "statute mile" is not the Survey Mile but is "undefined" in the United States, as a result of having two definitions. For all map and land measurement work based on old NAD27 datum, it was clearly the survey mile. The original intent was that all geodetic work for the new NAD83 datum (essentially equivalent to WGS84, the world GPS datum) would be released in meters only, and it was initially. The States balked, and they were given a choice of having supplemental data in International or Survey feet, but the Legislature had to pass a law defining their choice. As the issue is apparently a bit of embarassment, I can't find a good summary anywhere, you basically have to search for the definition of each State's State Plane Coordinate System. However some have chosen Survey, some International, and some use the meter for SPCS (God knows what they use for miles on their road signs). I happen to live in an International Mile State. In reality the difference is minute and rarely matters, but it
[USMA:47203] Time to Shelve Nautical Mile RE: Re: News
Sirs: >They're vessels. Must be nautical miles. It may be interesting to START thinking in terms of KILOMETRES and *Shelve Mile/Nautical Mile*, to make the Metric System really metric of - Le Systeme Internationale d'Unites (SI). I had used the term 'Nautical Kilometre', in my contribution: The Metric Second; Indian Standards Institution Bulletin, New Delhi; V25 N4; 1973 April; pp 152-7 Also, please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_shelving-NMile.pdf and my contribution Vij Brij Bhushan Vij; Need to Revise Length Unit for Decimalisation of the Hour in Relation to Angular Degree and World Decimal Calendar with Leap Weeks; Document No. 78; pp. 408-11; Proceedings of International Conference on Advances in Metrology and its Role in Quality Improvement and Global Trade; National Physical Laboratory, New Delhi; 1996 February 20-22 (Also refer Standards India; V12 N9 (12/12); December 1998; pp. 217-222; Bureau of Indian Standards, New Delhi); Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55306)/1726+D-121W17-02 (G. Tuesday, 2010 April 20H15:17 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah -Rg Veda Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) **As per Kali V-GRhymeCalendaar* "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. My Profile:http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2col-vipBrief.pdf HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact # 001 (201) 675-8548 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:12:53 -0700 From: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [USMA:47201] Re: News To: usma@colostate.edu They're vessels. Must be nautical miles. It looks like all articles that used AP source got it wrong. CNN lets you have nautical or statute miles or kilometers. http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/20/pirates-hijack-three-thai-fishing-vessels-off-somali-coast/ From: Michael Payne To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 11:37:59 AM Subject: [USMA:47199] News NY Times, source AP Somali pirates hijacked three Thai fishing vessels with 77 crew aboard more than 1,200 miles (1,930 kilometers) off the Somali coast, the farthest-off-shore attack to date, the EU Naval Force said Tuesday. I'm sure the EU guy said more than 1200 miles! Yea, was that Nautical or Statue? BBC source BBC an EU force spokesman said. He said that the attack took place far outside the area in which the EU force operated, about 1,200 nautical miles (2,222km) from the Somali coast. So what was the real distance? Mike Payne _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2
