Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
Pasi Juppo a écrit : > And to put some sarcasm at the end then why don't Klaus remove remote > control support from VDR. Who wants to use clumsy, usually not 100% > working, with only few buttons and with batteries that drain out remote > control when there are oh-so-nice keyboards and mouses available which > provide every possibility there is to control VDR.. That's it : SSH + SVDRP only. With this, the remote control works from the other side of the continent. ;-) -- NH ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On 16.05.2009 22:30, Pasi Juppo wrote: > Seriously, there are many many things that are purely user error - so > what! If the SW can eliminate few of those then wouldn't it be advantage > of the SW? > > If VDR can provide assistance to solve "user error" then why not > implement it and make more users happy about VDR? Just because it is > additional work it shall not be developed? Oh, please.. Especially when > both parties will have exactly what they want - no change to existing > functionality as a default config and for those (like myself) > configuration to disable the live-TV pausing. > > Instead of looking purely on software technical factors try to look > things from the end user point of view - and I should add here: from > multipe different skilled end users point of view. > > And to put some sarcasm at the end then why don't Klaus remove remote > control support from VDR. Who wants to use clumsy, usually not 100% > working, with only few buttons and with batteries that drain out remote > control when there are oh-so-nice keyboards and mouses available which > provide every possibility there is to control VDR.. Guys, can you please just stop this bashing?! Timo Eskola has suggested a patch that implements a setup option for this at http://www.tolleri.net/vdr/vdr/vdr-1.6.0-2-pause-0.0.1.patch, and I'm going to add this to version 1.7.8. Klaus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
Seriously, there are many many things that are purely user error - so what! If the SW can eliminate few of those then wouldn't it be advantage of the SW? If VDR can provide assistance to solve "user error" then why not implement it and make more users happy about VDR? Just because it is additional work it shall not be developed? Oh, please.. Especially when both parties will have exactly what they want - no change to existing functionality as a default config and for those (like myself) configuration to disable the live-TV pausing. Instead of looking purely on software technical factors try to look things from the end user point of view - and I should add here: from multipe different skilled end users point of view. And to put some sarcasm at the end then why don't Klaus remove remote control support from VDR. Who wants to use clumsy, usually not 100% working, with only few buttons and with batteries that drain out remote control when there are oh-so-nice keyboards and mouses available which provide every possibility there is to control VDR.. Br, Pasi VDR User wrote: > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Patrick Rother wrote: > >> As most pause key pressings are accidental, this is quite annoying. >> > > That is user-error, not a problem with VDR. > > >> I'd prefer to have a switch to disable recording at all. >> > > Although you can easily resolve your problem by simply paying > attention to what you're doing, I don't see a reason why Klaus > wouldn't be willing to add something to help those of you who can't > get it under control on your own. That's just my opinion though, > nothing more. Maybe VDR should come with a helmet too! ;) > > Regards, > Derek > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Patrick Rother wrote: > As most pause key pressings are accidental, this is quite annoying. That is user-error, not a problem with VDR. > I'd prefer to have a switch to disable recording at all. Although you can easily resolve your problem by simply paying attention to what you're doing, I don't see a reason why Klaus wouldn't be willing to add something to help those of you who can't get it under control on your own. That's just my opinion though, nothing more. Maybe VDR should come with a helmet too! ;) Regards, Derek ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:08:56AM +0200, Nicolas Huillard wrote: > Patrick Rother a écrit : > > On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 08:30:24PM +0300, Pasi Juppo wrote: > >> I'd also like to see option where live-tv pause can be enabled/disabled. > > > > I second this idea. > > > > I have a large recorder host, and satellite hosts for watching live > > TV and recordings (via NFS), but I usually don't want to record > > anything at the satellites. > > I.e. I'd prefer to have the instant-record and pause-live-tv keys > > disabled there. > > > > I could disable these remote control keys completety, but I do use > > the pause key while playing recordings, so this is not an option. > > > > So, a "don't record at this host" configuration option would be nice. > > I think the good solution for this situation would be to forward the > recording request to the "large recorder host". For real, I have a watchdog script does this, i.e. look for timers and remove them, but this is an ugly workaround. As most pause key pressings are accidental, this is quite annoying. I'd prefer to have a switch to disable recording at all. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
Patrick Rother a écrit : > On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 08:30:24PM +0300, Pasi Juppo wrote: >> I'd also like to see option where live-tv pause can be enabled/disabled. > > I second this idea. > > I have a large recorder host, and satellite hosts for watching live > TV and recordings (via NFS), but I usually don't want to record > anything at the satellites. > I.e. I'd prefer to have the instant-record and pause-live-tv keys > disabled there. > > I could disable these remote control keys completety, but I do use > the pause key while playing recordings, so this is not an option. > > So, a "don't record at this host" configuration option would be nice. I think the good solution for this situation would be to forward the recording request to the "large recorder host". This fits in the front-end/back-end or client/server need many users would like... This is a big issue, that have to be solved with a very good design. -- NH ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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Hi all, I see exactly this too...you can end up with a stack of running live instant recordings without realising it. I think its an area that needs some improvement. On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Malcolm Caldwell < malcolm.caldw...@cdu.edu.au> wrote: > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 09:39 +0200, Frank Scherthan wrote: > > Hi Theunis, Hi list, > > I have read the manual. I understand how vdr works. > > I don't like finding 4 instant recordings going, using up disk space and > 10 old instant recordings that no one actually wanted. > > IMHO: it is too easy to 'accidentally' bump the pause key. I have done > it, my wife has done and my kids do it. I could re-read the manual but > my opinion won't change. :) > > > Theunis Potgieter schrieb: > > > Well honestly I'm confused. I use vdr 1.6 and when I press down or up > > > it changes channel only. My vdr never pauses live tv. Mind you I don't > > > have a pause key either and neither defined. So perhaps this is the > > > way to for him. > > > > Why didn't you just read the manual? > > It is all there! :) It is really great! > > > > The point is: keys do different things in differnet environments. > > > > In liveview, the "down"- key decreases channel by 1 > > in replay-mode the "down"-key pauses the recording. > > > > If you define a pause-key, than this key pauses in replay-mode. > > In live-view it creates an instant-recording, that is replayed and > paused. > > > > Before anyone posts to this topic, would you please read the manual? > > > > > > I think this whole thread would not exist, if anyone would have read the > > manual ;) > > > > btw. the manual comes with every copy of VDR and can be read via web in > > the WIKI: > > http://www.linuxtv.org/vdrwiki/index.php/VDR_User's_Manual > > > > Frank, who read the manual ;) > > > > ___ > > vdr mailing list > > vdr@linuxtv.org > > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > > > > > > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > -- Convergent Home Technologies Ltd www.dianemo.co.uk Tel: +44 (0)1245 330101 Fax: +44 (0)1245 263916 Unit 205 Waterhouse Business Centre Cromar Way Chelmsford Essex CM1 2QE UK Watch Dianemo Videos here; http://www.dianemo.co.uk/index.php/your-home/overview-videos/8-your-home/31-dianemo-overview-videos ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 08:30:24PM +0300, Pasi Juppo wrote: > I'd also like to see option where live-tv pause can be enabled/disabled. I second this idea. I have a large recorder host, and satellite hosts for watching live TV and recordings (via NFS), but I usually don't want to record anything at the satellites. I.e. I'd prefer to have the instant-record and pause-live-tv keys disabled there. I could disable these remote control keys completety, but I do use the pause key while playing recordings, so this is not an option. So, a "don't record at this host" configuration option would be nice. Thank you. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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I agree wholeheartedly with Malcolm Caldwell. I have also read the manual (last night again to be precise) and still think the handling of the pause key is far from ideal. I think Timo's patch would be great. Nothing changes for those who think the current system is 100% perfect and two other settings for those who think otherwise - pause live video (default) - do not pause live video - confirm pause live video (this is what I would choose myself) Klaus, any chance this can make it to VDR 1.7.8 mainstream? Better than having a remote for me and another one for my wife and kids, or keeping my remote control in a safe or 'educating my little brats' or any other of those suggestions that invariably translate as 'Everything is fine with VDR's pause key and the problem is only with the user' ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
2009/5/12 Theunis Potgieter > I like this solution > > On 11/05/2009, Timo Eskola wrote: > > Handling of the pause key is an intreresting issue. > > > > There was proposal to configure the pause key as down key. This works > during > > replay, but hitting the pause during live video changes channel. > > > > Better solution would be to add setup option for pause key handling. How about changing the delete functionality slightly? One could allow a recording to be tagged for deletion. An expunge would delete recordings that were marked. The recording resulting from a live tv pause would automatically be tagged for deletion. A separate option would be to automatically expunge recordings at specific intervals, or at a certain age. -- -Tor ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
I like this solution On 11/05/2009, Timo Eskola wrote: > Handling of the pause key is an intreresting issue. > > There was proposal to configure the pause key as down key. This works during > replay, but hitting the pause during live video changes channel. > > Better solution would be to add setup option for pause key handling. I made > a simple patch for this: > http://www.tolleri.net/vdr/vdr/vdr-1.6.0-2-pause-0.0.1.patch > > The patch adds pause key handling options to the recording setup: > - do not pause live video > - confirm pause live video > - pause live video (default) > > Please have a look if you need setup options for pause key handling. Patch > is made for vanilla VDR 1.6.0-2. Plugins should be recompiled after > implementing the patch. > > Timo > > > 2009/5/8 Pasi Juppo > > I'd also like to see option where live-tv pause can be enabled/disabled. > > It has seldom been a problem but the whole feature is not usable for our > > usage. > > > > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > > ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 09:39 +0200, Frank Scherthan wrote: > Hi Theunis, Hi list, I have read the manual. I understand how vdr works. I don't like finding 4 instant recordings going, using up disk space and 10 old instant recordings that no one actually wanted. IMHO: it is too easy to 'accidentally' bump the pause key. I have done it, my wife has done and my kids do it. I could re-read the manual but my opinion won't change. :) > Theunis Potgieter schrieb: > > Well honestly I'm confused. I use vdr 1.6 and when I press down or up > > it changes channel only. My vdr never pauses live tv. Mind you I don't > > have a pause key either and neither defined. So perhaps this is the > > way to for him. > > Why didn't you just read the manual? > It is all there! :) It is really great! > > The point is: keys do different things in differnet environments. > > In liveview, the "down"- key decreases channel by 1 > in replay-mode the "down"-key pauses the recording. > > If you define a pause-key, than this key pauses in replay-mode. > In live-view it creates an instant-recording, that is replayed and paused. > > Before anyone posts to this topic, would you please read the manual? > > > I think this whole thread would not exist, if anyone would have read the > manual ;) > > btw. the manual comes with every copy of VDR and can be read via web in > the WIKI: > http://www.linuxtv.org/vdrwiki/index.php/VDR_User's_Manual > > Frank, who read the manual ;) > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
Handling of the pause key is an intreresting issue. There was proposal to configure the pause key as down key. This works during replay, but hitting the pause during live video changes channel. Better solution would be to add setup option for pause key handling. I made a simple patch for this: http://www.tolleri.net/vdr/vdr/vdr-1.6.0-2-pause-0.0.1.patch The patch adds pause key handling options to the recording setup: - do not pause live video - confirm pause live video - pause live video (default) Please have a look if you need setup options for pause key handling. Patch is made for vanilla VDR 1.6.0-2. Plugins should be recompiled after implementing the patch. Timo 2009/5/8 Pasi Juppo > I'd also like to see option where live-tv pause can be enabled/disabled. > It has seldom been a problem but the whole feature is not usable for our > usage. > ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
marti...@embl.de wrote: > Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I han > g it > from the ceiling. > > Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together? > > It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature... I reply direct to the original message, cause there's a lot of opinions down the thread.. If your use your remote over Lirc, then why you don't program a own remote for your kids? Get a cheap remote, for example a remote you get with boxed dvb-cards. Program that remote to use only those buttons you want your kids to use, and give that remote to your kids. This way you can stick to your own remote, and keep it away from your small terrorists :-) my 5 euro-cents René ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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2009/5/12 VDR User > If you don't want VDR to "record" when pause is pressed, how do you > expect to resume play from the point at which you pressed pause? I'm talking about what the users sees, not what VDR does behind the scenes. > Next, you _do_ have the option to delete these pause/instant recordings, > you just go into the recording menu and do it. This exposes an implementation detail to the user. Any computer-illiterate user would not understand this. VDR doesn't just assume you'd like to discard it, as it shouldn't. This might be what you expect would happen, since you know how VDR works behind the scenes. Users who want pause-recordings deleted automatically complain that > they're not. Users who want to manage this themselves will complain > if they are. Maybe there's some middle ground where the user can > choose which behavior he prefers, and takes minimal effort to > implement. After talking to some users about this subject, it seems > most would actually prefer live tv caching as an option. Having an option to auto delete live recordings, or asking the user to press record to save said recording, would probably resolve this issue. -- -Tor ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
I agree with you 100% - the 'Pause' key should pause Live TV. However I do agree with others here that the 'Paused recording' should be automatically 'cleaned up' when you go back to Live TV or alternatively when you change channel. On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Frank Scherthan wrote: > Torgeir Veimo schrieb: > > Just my 5 cent on the topic; Having a pause key that records is really > > non-logical. > > You can keep your money ;) > > The pause key pauses live TV. > > It doesn't record in the background to surprise you! > > It has to record, to do playback AND pause, so the key is doing EXACTLY > what you expect from that key. Pausing eather a playback when watching a > recording or pausing live-TV. > > Well at least I think it is more logical, to pause my live TV than > doing just nothing at all... > > Frank > > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > -- Convergent Home Technologies Ltd www.dianemo.co.uk Tel: +44 (0)1245 330101 Fax: +44 (0)1245 263916 Unit 205 Waterhouse Business Centre Cromar Way Chelmsford Essex CM1 2QE UK Watch Dianemo Videos here; http://www.dianemo.co.uk/index.php/your-home/overview-videos/8-your-home/31-dianemo-overview-videos ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
If you don't want VDR to "record" when pause is pressed, how do you expect to resume play from the point at which you pressed pause? Obviously it has to "record" the stream somewhere since there is no live tv caching in VDR. Next, you _do_ have the option to delete these pause/instant recordings, you just go into the recording menu and do it. VDR doesn't just assume you'd like to discard it, as it shouldn't. This is one of those things where people will complain either way. Users who want pause-recordings deleted automatically complain that they're not. Users who want to manage this themselves will complain if they are. Maybe there's some middle ground where the user can choose which behavior he prefers, and takes minimal effort to implement. After talking to some users about this subject, it seems most would actually prefer live tv caching as an option. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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marti...@embl.de a écrit : > Now, as for the instant recording, how about it gets deleted when you zap t > o another channel? ...or when there is no available tuner to continue the older instant-recording... I think about zapping, when you would like to keep the "previous channel" instant recording. I would be very pleased if that function was handled by the VDR server (the one with the DVB devices), instead of the VDR client (which gets it's streams via the network). The same applies to cutting (the headless server with the disks should do the cutting, not the diskless client with the IR receiver). But all this is another (big) thread... -- NH ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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our satellite provider's pvr, has 2 tv out and 2 remotes. If you are watching a live/paused recording, you have the option to save it or discard it. I do not know what the size of this buffer is. But it does give you the option and it does show you are busy with a live buffer, icon indication is better than asking all the time. On 11/05/2009, Frank Scherthan wrote: > Torgeir Veimo schrieb: > > > Just my 5 cent on the topic; Having a pause key that records is really > > non-logical. > > > You can keep your money ;) > > The pause key pauses live TV. > > It doesn't record in the background to surprise you! > > It has to record, to do playback AND pause, so the key is doing EXACTLY > what you expect from that key. Pausing eather a playback when watching a > recording or pausing live-TV. > > Well at least I think it is more logical, to pause my live TV than > doing just nothing at all... > > > Frank > > > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On 09/05/2009, Udo Richter wrote: > On 09.05.2009 12:38, Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > > - When should such a recording be deleted? > >If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very > surprised > >when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and you can't > resume > >replay. > >If it gets deleted after a certain timeout, you'll probably turn this > off > >once you lost such a recording for the first time, because something > >came up that kept you from finishing viewing it in time. > > > > - How to handle such a recording if it's not in the list of recordings? > >Maybe you find the recording to be so interesting that you want to > >keep it - no chance if it doesn't appear in the list. > > > > What about just asking the user? > > So someone hit pause and play. No one remembers. For now, its some kind > of invisible recording. If someone hits 'stop' or tries to change > channels, ask the user 'Continue instant recording?'. If he presses OK, > make the recording visible. If he presses cancel, delete the recording. > > > Cheers, > > How about a small icon/character in the corner that shows you are busy viewing a live/paused recording...? ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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Torgeir Veimo schrieb: > Just my 5 cent on the topic; Having a pause key that records is really > non-logical. You can keep your money ;) The pause key pauses live TV. It doesn't record in the background to surprise you! It has to record, to do playback AND pause, so the key is doing EXACTLY what you expect from that key. Pausing eather a playback when watching a recording or pausing live-TV. Well at least I think it is more logical, to pause my live TV than doing just nothing at all... Frank ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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Just my 5 cent on the topic; Having a pause key that records is really non-logical. Follow the principle of least surprise; if you want to record live tv, you press the record button, no the pause button. If one really wants to record the (temporal) file created by a live tv pause, one could press the record button while paused. -- -Tor ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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> > > > The Real Problem is that people are too lazy to educate their brats > > properly. > > For F sake. Do you have kids? > > You can educate a 5 year old, but a 2 year old? Have you even tried? > > Just to say: I am not lazy, and my kids are not brats, and I don't think > I or the the others here who raised this issue deserve to be ridiculed. > > (Or perhaps you intended your post to be humorous??) > > > Well, I also wondered if he was humorous or not. When my daughter was three years I often found five or so live recordings running. Now I have a son of the same age and now it never happens for some reason. It could be that I have changed remote to one that has a pause key that you don't press by accident as easily. Or perhaps a boy/girl thing? But when I come to think of it, I don't think I have told him that you can pause live tv... Anyway, I think that people who want to pause live tv don't want a confirmation popup so perhaps disabling "pause live tv" by a config parameter is a better solution. /Magnus H ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 16:29 +0300, Lauri Tischler wrote: > VDR User wrote: > > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Gerald Dachs wrote: > >> Am Sat, 09 May 2009 12:38:39 +0200 > >> schrieb Klaus Schmidinger : > >>> It also raises several questions: > >>> > >>> - When should such a recording be deleted? > >>> If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very > >>> surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and > >>> you can't resume replay. > >> Shit happens, not really a problem. > > > > Kids pressing remote buttons is one of the main reasons this thread > > was started so apparently for some people it really _is_ a problem. > > The Real Problem is that people are too lazy to educate their brats > properly. For F sake. Do you have kids? You can educate a 5 year old, but a 2 year old? Have you even tried? Just to say: I am not lazy, and my kids are not brats, and I don't think I or the the others here who raised this issue deserve to be ridiculed. (Or perhaps you intended your post to be humorous??) > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 06:15 -0700, VDR User wrote: > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Gerald Dachs wrote: > > Am Sat, 09 May 2009 12:38:39 +0200 > > schrieb Klaus Schmidinger : > >> It also raises several questions: > >> > >> - When should such a recording be deleted? > >> If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very > >> surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and > >> you can't resume replay. > > > > Shit happens, not really a problem. > > Kids pressing remote buttons is one of the main reasons this thread > was started so apparently for some people it really _is_ a problem. Just to say: I have kids, and this happens to me. I go in every now and again and delete all the instant recordings. Not a big problem, but annoying. I once lost something I wanted because an instant recording filled the disk. (I should have set the priorities correctly. I know) If my remote has a pause key, I want it to work when I am replaying recordings. I don't want to remove that "feature". During live TV, I would prefer that the Pause key != Record. Perhaps a two step: press pause, and it says "Press OK to pause live TV"? > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Andrey Kuzmin wrote: >> If there's any intention to add live tv caching then ram should >> definitely be available to the user as a storage option. Although I >> don't really care about the feature, I don't mind if my ram is being >> used whereas I absolutely don't want a harddrive constantly running >> for it. Btw, I haven't paid more then $20 for 2x2GB sticks of ram in >> ages, though I always take advantage of MIR's on them. I actually >> have 8GB sitting new in the packaging but didn't want to pass up some >> great deals. :) > > RAM + HDD = SSD More like flash ram + hdd = ssd. You don't want to use an ssd for something like this just yet. Btw, I picked up a 30GB ssd drive which is now the os drive on my Vista 64 desktop. Damn nice! Boots to desktop in about 7 seconds. Almost no load time for apps (even large with many plugins). I can't wait until ssd technology matures a little more and the price drops! > Overheating, spinning... it's something from dinosaurs' era :)) Yes! :) ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
> If there's any intention to add live tv caching then ram should > definitely be available to the user as a storage option. Although I > don't really care about the feature, I don't mind if my ram is being > used whereas I absolutely don't want a harddrive constantly running > for it. Btw, I haven't paid more then $20 for 2x2GB sticks of ram in > ages, though I always take advantage of MIR's on them. I actually > have 8GB sitting new in the packaging but didn't want to pass up some > great deals. :) RAM + HDD = SSD Overheating, spinning... it's something from dinosaurs' era :)) ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Udo Richter wrote: > On 08.05.2009 01:17, Andrew Herron wrote: >> I agree it must put extra wear & stress on the hard drive and yes the >> energy usage must be higher. > > I don't think so. Disks don't wear that much by reading and writing. > Spinning up and down, heating up and cooling down, shaking them, do lots > of seek operations, thats wearing a hard disk much more. (Flash disks > are different.) Heat (ironically in some cases helps performance) especially wears parts faster. Putting a fan on a harddrive only keeps the housing cool, which is a good thing, but it doesn't do anything for where the heat is actually being generated. You can run a harddrive 24/7/365 but when you do that there's a higher risk the next time you spin it up you'll hear clicking. > OTOH, 4GB of RAM isn't very expensive any more, and should be enough for > roughly 1h of HDTV with good quality (~9mbit), or? If there's any intention to add live tv caching then ram should definitely be available to the user as a storage option. Although I don't really care about the feature, I don't mind if my ram is being used whereas I absolutely don't want a harddrive constantly running for it. Btw, I haven't paid more then $20 for 2x2GB sticks of ram in ages, though I always take advantage of MIR's on them. I actually have 8GB sitting new in the packaging but didn't want to pass up some great deals. :) Regards, Derek ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
Gerald Dachs schrieb: > Am Sat, 09 May 2009 12:38:39 +0200 > schrieb Klaus Schmidinger : > >> It also raises several questions: >> >> - When should such a recording be deleted? >> If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very >> surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and >> you can't resume replay. >> > > Shit happens, not really a problem. > second this ... >> If it gets deleted after a certain timeout, you'll probably turn >> this off once you lost such a recording for the first time, because >> something came up that kept you from finishing viewing it in time. >> > > Okay, something to think about. > pausing is pausing not recording. recording is recording (what a wisdom :D ) >> - How to handle such a recording if it's not in the list of >> recordings? Maybe you find the recording to be so interesting that >> you want to keep it - no chance if it doesn't appear in the list. >> > > Press the record button on the remote and the complete recording till > now will go into the list of recordings. > Second this. How about another type beside .rec and .del for this. To make it clear i'm just for not handling pause as a normal recording if you stop pause its gone except you press record in the pause replay which will rename it to a normal recording. Good idea. Thumbs up! Kind Regards Steffen ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On 08.05.2009 01:17, Andrew Herron wrote: > I agree it must put extra wear & stress on the hard drive and yes the > energy usage must be higher. I don't think so. Disks don't wear that much by reading and writing. Spinning up and down, heating up and cooling down, shaking them, do lots of seek operations, thats wearing a hard disk much more. (Flash disks are different.) OTOH, 4GB of RAM isn't very expensive any more, and should be enough for roughly 1h of HDTV with good quality (~9mbit), or? Cheers, Udo ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On 09.05.2009 12:38, Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > - When should such a recording be deleted? >If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very surprised >when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and you can't resume >replay. >If it gets deleted after a certain timeout, you'll probably turn this off >once you lost such a recording for the first time, because something >came up that kept you from finishing viewing it in time. > > - How to handle such a recording if it's not in the list of recordings? >Maybe you find the recording to be so interesting that you want to >keep it - no chance if it doesn't appear in the list. What about just asking the user? So someone hit pause and play. No one remembers. For now, its some kind of invisible recording. If someone hits 'stop' or tries to change channels, ask the user 'Continue instant recording?'. If he presses OK, make the recording visible. If he presses cancel, delete the recording. Cheers, Udo ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
I thought this was a VDR developers mailing list and not a ´how to tell o ther people how they should educate their kids´ I for one think is not helpful at all people posting here things like: ¨The Real Problem is that people are too lazy to educate their brats properly.¨ It does not help and it is getting a bit annoying, I don´t tell you how t o bring up your kids. For me it is a better approach to change something in VDR´s code than to divorce my wife and get a new one who is more competen te with VDR (perhaps I should look for a replacement in this thread?) Of course divorce would end the problem as the kids would live with their mother. Now seriously, let´s keep unsolicited parenting advice out of this tread. Now, as for the instant recording, how about it gets deleted when you zap t o another channel? Geralds idea that by pressing record the instant recording becomes a real o ne is very good... From: Lauri Tischler Subject: Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher? To: VDR Mailing List Message-ID: <4a058548.6080...@iki.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
Am Sat, 9 May 2009 06:15:18 -0700 schrieb VDR User : > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Gerald Dachs wrote: > > Am Sat, 09 May 2009 12:38:39 +0200 > > schrieb Klaus Schmidinger : > >> It also raises several questions: > >> > >> - When should such a recording be deleted? > >> If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very > >> surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and > >> you can't resume replay. > > > > Shit happens, not really a problem. > > Kids pressing remote buttons is one of the main reasons this thread > was started so apparently for some people it really _is_ a problem. I had already answered the OP how to solve this problem in a former thread. Gerald ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
My view is that it should behave as on other PVR's where if you change channel then the 'paused live recording' should be deleted. People are used to this behaviour. Pressing 'Stop' while in the live recording would take you back to 'Live' viewing. At anytime when you want to keep the current Live recording the user could just simply press 'Record' on the remote and this would add the recording to the 'Recordings' menu and therefore saving it for later viewing. Again many PVR's work in a similar way to this and it would have very big WAF ;-) On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Klaus Schmidinger < klaus.schmidin...@cadsoft.de> wrote: > On 05/09/09 12:30, Gerald Dachs wrote: > > Am Sat, 09 May 2009 10:33:58 +0300 > > schrieb Jouni Karvo : > > > >> No, I meant deleting automatically the pause-live-TV "recording". > >> That recording is conceptually just a technical implementation issue > >> (and should not be visible in the recordings list, even, in my > >> opinion). The end user needs not care for the object structure of > >> VDR source code, and the implementation of pause-live-TV is in the > >> same category. > > > > This is the first good idea in this thread. > > It also raises several questions: > > - When should such a recording be deleted? > If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very surprised > when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and you can't resume > replay. > If it gets deleted after a certain timeout, you'll probably turn this off > once you lost such a recording for the first time, because something > came up that kept you from finishing viewing it in time. > > - How to handle such a recording if it's not in the list of recordings? > Maybe you find the recording to be so interesting that you want to > keep it - no chance if it doesn't appear in the list. > > I'd prefer to keep things simple... > > Klaus > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > -- Convergent Home Technologies Ltd www.dianemo.co.uk Tel: +44 (0)1245 330101 Fax: +44 (0)1245 263916 Unit 205 Waterhouse Business Centre Cromar Way Chelmsford Essex CM1 2QE UK Watch Dianemo Videos here; http://www.dianemo.co.uk/index.php/your-home/overview-videos/8-your-home/31-dianemo-overview-videos ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
I totally agree with this too...at least it would be good to have the option to handle the pause-live-TV "recording" as now or to have them automatically deleted when you change channel and not have them appear at all in the 'Recordings' menu. This would me a big improvement in WAF :-) On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Jouni Karvo wrote: > No, I meant deleting automatically the pause-live-TV "recording". That > recording is conceptually just a technical implementation issue (and > should not be visible in the recordings list, even, in my opinion). The > end user needs not care for the object structure of VDR source code, and > the implementation of pause-live-TV is in the same category. > > It is easy to distinguish pausing live TV and making a recording as > concepts, as a normal user. > > yours, >Jouni > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > -- Convergent Home Technologies Ltd www.dianemo.co.uk Tel: +44 (0)1245 330101 Fax: +44 (0)1245 263916 Unit 205 Waterhouse Business Centre Cromar Way Chelmsford Essex CM1 2QE UK Watch Dianemo Videos here; http://www.dianemo.co.uk/index.php/your-home/overview-videos/8-your-home/31-dianemo-overview-videos ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
VDR User wrote: > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Gerald Dachs wrote: >> Am Sat, 09 May 2009 12:38:39 +0200 >> schrieb Klaus Schmidinger : >>> It also raises several questions: >>> >>> - When should such a recording be deleted? >>> If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very >>> surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and >>> you can't resume replay. >> Shit happens, not really a problem. > > Kids pressing remote buttons is one of the main reasons this thread > was started so apparently for some people it really _is_ a problem. The Real Problem is that people are too lazy to educate their brats properly. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Gerald Dachs wrote: > Am Sat, 09 May 2009 12:38:39 +0200 > schrieb Klaus Schmidinger : >> It also raises several questions: >> >> - When should such a recording be deleted? >> If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very >> surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and >> you can't resume replay. > > Shit happens, not really a problem. Kids pressing remote buttons is one of the main reasons this thread was started so apparently for some people it really _is_ a problem. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Gerald Dachs wrote: > Am Sat, 09 May 2009 10:33:58 +0300 > schrieb Jouni Karvo : > >> No, I meant deleting automatically the pause-live-TV "recording". >> That recording is conceptually just a technical implementation issue >> (and should not be visible in the recordings list, even, in my >> opinion). The end user needs not care for the object structure of >> VDR source code, and the implementation of pause-live-TV is in the >> same category. > > This is the first good idea in this thread. In my opinion the first good idea was when someone said to keep your kids away from the remote. ;) ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
Am Sat, 09 May 2009 12:38:39 +0200 schrieb Klaus Schmidinger : > It also raises several questions: > > - When should such a recording be deleted? > If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very > surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and > you can't resume replay. Shit happens, not really a problem. > If it gets deleted after a certain timeout, you'll probably turn > this off once you lost such a recording for the first time, because > something came up that kept you from finishing viewing it in time. Okay, something to think about. > - How to handle such a recording if it's not in the list of > recordings? Maybe you find the recording to be so interesting that > you want to keep it - no chance if it doesn't appear in the list. Press the record button on the remote and the complete recording till now will go into the list of recordings. Gerald ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On 05/09/09 12:30, Gerald Dachs wrote: > Am Sat, 09 May 2009 10:33:58 +0300 > schrieb Jouni Karvo : > >> No, I meant deleting automatically the pause-live-TV "recording". >> That recording is conceptually just a technical implementation issue >> (and should not be visible in the recordings list, even, in my >> opinion). The end user needs not care for the object structure of >> VDR source code, and the implementation of pause-live-TV is in the >> same category. > > This is the first good idea in this thread. It also raises several questions: - When should such a recording be deleted? If it gets deleted as soon as replay is stopped, you'll be very surprised when you (or your kids ;-) inadvertently press Stop, and you can't resume replay. If it gets deleted after a certain timeout, you'll probably turn this off once you lost such a recording for the first time, because something came up that kept you from finishing viewing it in time. - How to handle such a recording if it's not in the list of recordings? Maybe you find the recording to be so interesting that you want to keep it - no chance if it doesn't appear in the list. I'd prefer to keep things simple... Klaus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
Am Sat, 09 May 2009 10:33:58 +0300 schrieb Jouni Karvo : > No, I meant deleting automatically the pause-live-TV "recording". > That recording is conceptually just a technical implementation issue > (and should not be visible in the recordings list, even, in my > opinion). The end user needs not care for the object structure of > VDR source code, and the implementation of pause-live-TV is in the > same category. This is the first good idea in this thread. Gerald ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
VDR User kirjoitti: > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Jouni Karvo wrote: > >> I'd be pleased, if there would be some kind of a caretaking, so that the >> "pause-live-tv" recording would just disappear after returning to other >> modes of operation. I think it would not break anything for the user, >> since you can always use the specific recording button in the menu to >> create an actual recording. >> > > If you want to pause live tv, how else would you suggest caching the > stream? It's either going to be to ram or some storage device, and if > you don't save the stream (aka "record" it), how are you supposed to > play it back? Unless you mean VDR should somehow determine that > you've caught up to live tv from playing back at the point you paused > it, and then delete the recording/cache without caring if you wanted > to keep it for any reason. > > I really hope Klaus never intends to implement something like the live > tv buffer that myth has. The idea of one of my harddrives saving > nonstop 24/7 is really really lame. Huge waste of power, constant > heat, and unnecessary wear on the harddrive for something that > probably doesn't even get used that much in the first place. > > No, I meant deleting automatically the pause-live-TV "recording". That recording is conceptually just a technical implementation issue (and should not be visible in the recordings list, even, in my opinion). The end user needs not care for the object structure of VDR source code, and the implementation of pause-live-TV is in the same category. It is easy to distinguish pausing live TV and making a recording as concepts, as a normal user. yours, Jouni ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On Fri, 8 May 2009, Pasi Juppo wrote: > It seriously would not hurt VDR if there were Help pages available via > OSD. Yes, there are man-pages but my guess is that very very few end > users will actually go to terminal to check man-pages if they have some > problems with VDR how to do something. They just don't bother. And this > is request for Klaus because he's the author of the VDR thus should keep > the help pages of VDR up-to-date. And preferably all plugin developers > would do the same. Some plugins (all of mine for example) do have manual/help. You'll need just to press Info button to access them on plugin's active setup entry. This would be quite beneficial for core VDR too as many options are quite hard to understand at the first glance and a separate "Keymap" menu item would be a nice addition into the setup menu for averate users. BR, -- rofa ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
VDR User wrote: > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Pasi Juppo wrote: > >> VDR is very nice. I've been using it for years now. But it is still very >> much tech focused in many areas. E.g. cutting recordings is way too >> complicated for non-tech persons. >> > > Could you elaborate on this? The editing in VDR is very simplistic > and requires no real technical skill at all. It's nothing more then > setting cut points, frame stepping, and performing the cut. The user > only has to know what he wants to cut/keep so I'm not sure why anyone > would say it's way too complicated. I know there are some people who > mix with computers like water & oil but if you can manage to use the > remote, you should be able to edit just fine. ;) > > The problem is not how to edit but which buttons needs to be pressed to set cutting marks, which to move them, which to start actual cutting etc. If you use this feature less than once per month then it's obvious that you will not remember these buttons. I can fully understand that non-technical people don't bother to remember every little detail (such as this) but simply to use it. IF there were help pages available from, pretty much, every OSD screen it would be easy to check which buttons shall be pressed to do e.g. editing. For example regarding MPlayer plugin. I have troubles remembering which numbers are assigned to advance or delay of sound, change of subtitles etc. These are not needed often but sometimes. It would be really nice to take a look at Help page of MPlayer plugin to check what buttons are assigned to which function etc. than to go to different room, log into VDR machine, check plugin's Readme-file and get back to the couch - oh, what was assigned to the button 7.. Small things like Help pages make a huge difference to the usability of the VDR and plugins. Br, Pasi ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Pasi Juppo wrote: > VDR is very nice. I've been using it for years now. But it is still very > much tech focused in many areas. E.g. cutting recordings is way too > complicated for non-tech persons. Could you elaborate on this? The editing in VDR is very simplistic and requires no real technical skill at all. It's nothing more then setting cut points, frame stepping, and performing the cut. The user only has to know what he wants to cut/keep so I'm not sure why anyone would say it's way too complicated. I know there are some people who mix with computers like water & oil but if you can manage to use the remote, you should be able to edit just fine. ;) Regards, Derek ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
ACK. VDR is very nice. I've been using it for years now. But it is still very much tech focused in many areas. E.g. cutting recordings is way too complicated for non-tech persons. I'd also like to see option where live-tv pause can be enabled/disabled. It has seldom been a problem but the whole feature is not usable for our usage. It seriously would not hurt VDR if there were Help pages available via OSD. Yes, there are man-pages but my guess is that very very few end users will actually go to terminal to check man-pages if they have some problems with VDR how to do something. They just don't bother. And this is request for Klaus because he's the author of the VDR thus should keep the help pages of VDR up-to-date. And preferably all plugin developers would do the same. Br, Pasi marti...@embl.de wrote: > The relook400s for example has an option (it can be turned on or off) > where a 30 minutes buffer of live tv is recorded to allow to rewind livetv. > > This recording is automatically deleted when you zap to another channel, hence > the Wife Acceptance Factor is very high. > > Whenever my wife sees in vdr 'channel not available' she freaks out and waits > for me to come back from work, and then nags how vdr is not working again. > > It is nearly always instant recordings causing this and she is intimidated by > the routing of deleting the recoding with the @ and then zapping. > > VDR is wonderful but it would not hurt to have options (I repeat options, that > can be enabled only if desired) that make it more acceptable to non-technical > users. > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher? (more and more OT)
VDR User a écrit : > 512MB won't get you far with hdtv. It won't even get you 5 minutes > worth. Needless to say, you'd need at least a few GB of dedicated ram > to even bother with it. At least ram is cheap now as you've pointed > out (especially if you take advantage of MIR's). After seeing how > much money I was wasting every month in my electric bill just by not > setting a sleep timeout on my harddrives, ram is the only place I'd > want any caching like that to take place if I were interested in > buffering live tv. Can you give tell us how much ? I roughly estimated the cost here in France : 1W on 24/7/365 costs 1€/year. Leaving a green HD on 24/7 (Western Digital 1TB GP) costs me 5€/year here. Leaving the whole server on (4 HDD, DVB device, ADSL box, networking gear, etc.) costs me 65€/year... Much less than, say, hot water. -- NH ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
The relook400s for example has an option (it can be turned on or off) where a 30 minutes buffer of live tv is recorded to allow to rewind livetv. This recording is automatically deleted when you zap to another channel, hence the Wife Acceptance Factor is very high. Whenever my wife sees in vdr 'channel not available' she freaks out and waits for me to come back from work, and then nags how vdr is not working again. It is nearly always instant recordings causing this and she is intimidated by the routing of deleting the recoding with the @ and then zapping. VDR is wonderful but it would not hurt to have options (I repeat options, that can be enabled only if desired) that make it more acceptable to non-technical users. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Torgeir Veimo wrote: > 2009/5/8 Andrew Herron >> >> This is a very popular feature in the Sky+ & SkyHD PVR's from Sky here in >> the UK as it enables them to offer the ability to rewind 'Live TV' in an >> ad-hoc way (at least to the point where you switched over to the currently >> viewed channel) >> I agree it must put extra wear & stress on the hard drive and yes the >> energy usage must be higher. > > There's no need for this stream to reach disk. A 512MB in memory buffer > should be sufficient, and ram is cheap these days. 512MB won't get you far with hdtv. It won't even get you 5 minutes worth. Needless to say, you'd need at least a few GB of dedicated ram to even bother with it. At least ram is cheap now as you've pointed out (especially if you take advantage of MIR's). After seeing how much money I was wasting every month in my electric bill just by not setting a sleep timeout on my harddrives, ram is the only place I'd want any caching like that to take place if I were interested in buffering live tv. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
VDR User wrote: > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Jouni Karvo wrote: >> I'd be pleased, if there would be some kind of a caretaking, so that the >> "pause-live-tv" recording would just disappear after returning to other >> modes of operation. I think it would not break anything for the user, >> since you can always use the specific recording button in the menu to >> create an actual recording. > > If you want to pause live tv, how else would you suggest caching the > stream? It's either going to be to ram or some storage device, and if > you don't save the stream (aka "record" it), how are you supposed to > play it back? Unless you mean VDR should somehow determine that > you've caught up to live tv from playing back at the point you paused > it, and then delete the recording/cache without caring if you wanted > to keep it for any reason. He meant the latter. > I really hope Klaus never intends to implement something like the live > tv buffer that myth has. The idea of one of my harddrives saving > nonstop 24/7 is really really lame. Huge waste of power, constant > heat, and unnecessary wear on the harddrive for something that > probably doesn't even get used that much in the first place. Use RAM. -- Anssi Hannula ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
2009/5/8 Andrew Herron > This is a very popular feature in the Sky+ & SkyHD PVR's from Sky here in > the UK as it enables them to offer the ability to rewind 'Live TV' in an > ad-hoc way (at least to the point where you switched over to the currently > viewed channel) > I agree it must put extra wear & stress on the hard drive and yes the > energy usage must be higher. > There's no need for this stream to reach disk. A 512MB in memory buffer should be sufficient, and ram is cheap these days. -- -Tor ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
This is a very popular feature in the Sky+ & SkyHD PVR's from Sky here in the UK as it enables them to offer the ability to rewind 'Live TV' in an ad-hoc way (at least to the point where you switched over to the currently viewed channel) I agree it must put extra wear & stress on the hard drive and yes the energy usage must be higher. Andrew On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:13 PM, VDR User wrote: > > I really hope Klaus never intends to implement something like the live > tv buffer that myth has. The idea of one of my harddrives saving > nonstop 24/7 is really really lame. Huge waste of power, constant > heat, and unnecessary wear on the harddrive for something that > probably doesn't even get used that much in the first place. > > -- Convergent Home Technologies Ltd www.dianemo.co.uk Tel: +44 (0)1245 330101 Fax: +44 (0)1245 263916 Unit 205 Waterhouse Business Centre Cromar Way Chelmsford Essex CM1 2QE UK Watch Dianemo Videos here; http://www.dianemo.co.uk/index.php/your-home/overview-videos/8-your-home/31-dianemo-overview-videos ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Jouni Karvo wrote: > I'd be pleased, if there would be some kind of a caretaking, so that the > "pause-live-tv" recording would just disappear after returning to other > modes of operation. I think it would not break anything for the user, > since you can always use the specific recording button in the menu to > create an actual recording. If you want to pause live tv, how else would you suggest caching the stream? It's either going to be to ram or some storage device, and if you don't save the stream (aka "record" it), how are you supposed to play it back? Unless you mean VDR should somehow determine that you've caught up to live tv from playing back at the point you paused it, and then delete the recording/cache without caring if you wanted to keep it for any reason. I really hope Klaus never intends to implement something like the live tv buffer that myth has. The idea of one of my harddrives saving nonstop 24/7 is really really lame. Huge waste of power, constant heat, and unnecessary wear on the harddrive for something that probably doesn't even get used that much in the first place. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
Jouni Karvo wrote: > I'd be pleased, if there would be some kind of a caretaking, so that the > "pause-live-tv" recording would just disappear after returning to other > modes of operation. I think it would not break anything for the user, > since you can always use the specific recording button in the menu to > create an actual recording. Agreed. -- Anssi Hannula ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
Frank Scherthan kirjoitti: > Hi there :) > > marti...@embl.de schrieb: > >> Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I han >> g it >> from the ceiling. >> >> Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together? >> >> It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature... >> > > I really don't understand the whole discussion that is going on here. > > This behavior is intented. > Pressing "pause" in Live-View starts a recording and pauses it. This is > a great feature and I really would miss that! > > Yes - that is great. But... I'd be pleased, if there would be some kind of a caretaking, so that the "pause-live-tv" recording would just disappear after returning to other modes of operation. I think it would not break anything for the user, since you can always use the specific recording button in the menu to create an actual recording. yours, Jouni ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
VDR User schrieb: > On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Theunis Potgieter > wrote: > >> I will be getting flack for this. But neither my wife and I bother to >> check the pc after vdr works... So perhaps I need to investigate in a >> plugin that displays the help. Since this is the entry point to VDR >> for ordinary tv viewers. Thanks for that bit of info >> > > A plugin just to display the help file? This might sound crazy but > why not just log into the box instead? 99.9% of my VDR/linux related > stuff is done from Putty ssh on my Vista 64 desktop. ;) > Well - there is a plugin allready (guess there is nothing what i can think of where a plugin not allready exist ;) - its called aide-plugin - not sure though whats the shape of it. But i'm pretty sure if that does not work, there is another one i don't know which actually works ;) - I for myself do it the same way you suggest. But the setup-plugin users out there might think different. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Theunis Potgieter wrote: > I will be getting flack for this. But neither my wife and I bother to > check the pc after vdr works... So perhaps I need to investigate in a > plugin that displays the help. Since this is the entry point to VDR > for ordinary tv viewers. Thanks for that bit of info A plugin just to display the help file? This might sound crazy but why not just log into the box instead? 99.9% of my VDR/linux related stuff is done from Putty ssh on my Vista 64 desktop. ;) ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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I know I should RTFM. Since, vdr appears as a settopbox, it sometimes makes you lazy into thinking you would get the help from the screen and not think in Linux/Unix/PC way of checking a man page. Yes I know I will be getting flack for this. But neither my wife and I bother to check the pc after vdr works... So perhaps I need to investigate in a plugin that displays the help. Since this is the entry point to VDR for ordinary tv viewers. Thanks for that bit of info On 07/05/2009, Frank Scherthan wrote: > Hi Theunis, Hi list, > > Theunis Potgieter schrieb: > > > Well honestly I'm confused. I use vdr 1.6 and when I press down or up > > it changes channel only. My vdr never pauses live tv. Mind you I don't > > have a pause key either and neither defined. So perhaps this is the > > way to for him. > > > Why didn't you just read the manual? > It is all there! :) It is really great! > > The point is: keys do different things in differnet environments. > > In liveview, the "down"- key decreases channel by 1 > in replay-mode the "down"-key pauses the recording. > > If you define a pause-key, than this key pauses in replay-mode. > In live-view it creates an instant-recording, that is replayed and paused. > > Before anyone posts to this topic, would you please read the manual? > > > I think this whole thread would not exist, if anyone would have read the > manual ;) > > btw. the manual comes with every copy of VDR and can be read via web in > the WIKI: > http://www.linuxtv.org/vdrwiki/index.php/VDR_User's_Manual > > Frank, who read the manual ;) > > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009, Frank Scherthan wrote: > Hi Theunis, Hi list, > > Theunis Potgieter schrieb: > > Well honestly I'm confused. I use vdr 1.6 and when I press down or up > > it changes channel only. My vdr never pauses live tv. Mind you I don't > > have a pause key either and neither defined. So perhaps this is the > > way to for him. > > Why didn't you just read the manual? > It is all there! :) It is really great! > > The point is: keys do different things in differnet environments. > > In liveview, the "down"- key decreases channel by 1 > in replay-mode the "down"-key pauses the recording. > > If you define a pause-key, than this key pauses in replay-mode. > In live-view it creates an instant-recording, that is replayed and paused. > > Before anyone posts to this topic, would you please read the manual? > > > I think this whole thread would not exist, if anyone would have read the > manual ;) > > btw. the manual comes with every copy of VDR and can be read via web in > the WIKI: > http://www.linuxtv.org/vdrwiki/index.php/VDR_User's_Manual > Well, I do want the live-pause / instant-recording function, but I can think of a simple way out of this discussion. Why not allow the Pause key to be redefined in keymacros.conf, like the color and User? keys. I have not had a look into the code in vdr.c, but maybe this also requires some non-trivial changes in key processing to stacked event/handler tables with priorities and in such case this is not possible if only needed for this goal. Regards Matthias ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
Hi Theunis, Hi list, Theunis Potgieter schrieb: > Well honestly I'm confused. I use vdr 1.6 and when I press down or up > it changes channel only. My vdr never pauses live tv. Mind you I don't > have a pause key either and neither defined. So perhaps this is the > way to for him. Why didn't you just read the manual? It is all there! :) It is really great! The point is: keys do different things in differnet environments. In liveview, the "down"- key decreases channel by 1 in replay-mode the "down"-key pauses the recording. If you define a pause-key, than this key pauses in replay-mode. In live-view it creates an instant-recording, that is replayed and paused. Before anyone posts to this topic, would you please read the manual? I think this whole thread would not exist, if anyone would have read the manual ;) btw. the manual comes with every copy of VDR and can be read via web in the WIKI: http://www.linuxtv.org/vdrwiki/index.php/VDR_User's_Manual Frank, who read the manual ;) ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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Well honestly I'm confused. I use vdr 1.6 and when I press down or up it changes channel only. My vdr never pauses live tv. Mind you I don't have a pause key either and neither defined. So perhaps this is the way to for him. On 5/6/09, Frank Scherthan wrote: > Hi there :) > > marti...@embl.de schrieb: >> Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I >> han >> g it >> from the ceiling. >> >> Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together? >> >> It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature... > > I really don't understand the whole discussion that is going on here. > > This behavior is intented. > Pressing "pause" in Live-View starts a recording and pauses it. This is > a great feature and I really would miss that! > > If you don't want it, you just have to skip the learning of the pause > key (or remove it from remote.conf). > You can always pause recordings with the "down"-key, so you just don't > need the "extra-pause-key". > > Please, please RTFM. It is all written in the manual, that comes with > VDR. Read the manual before complaining. > > There is NO NEED for a patch, an option or anything else. Really! ;) > > Btw. I have a son, too. He is 2 years old and I have no problem with > him, my remote or my VDR ... > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > -- Sent from my mobile device ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
Hi there :) marti...@embl.de schrieb: > Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I han > g it > from the ceiling. > > Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together? > > It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature... I really don't understand the whole discussion that is going on here. This behavior is intented. Pressing "pause" in Live-View starts a recording and pauses it. This is a great feature and I really would miss that! If you don't want it, you just have to skip the learning of the pause key (or remove it from remote.conf). You can always pause recordings with the "down"-key, so you just don't need the "extra-pause-key". Please, please RTFM. It is all written in the manual, that comes with VDR. Read the manual before complaining. There is NO NEED for a patch, an option or anything else. Really! ;) Btw. I have a son, too. He is 2 years old and I have no problem with him, my remote or my VDR ... ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Brian wrote: > Isn't "pause live TV" an "instant recording". My VDR has some plugins, > no patches, and has IMHO always done that. Yes, pausing live tv was added over 6 years ago in VDR-1.1.28 actually. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
marti...@embl.de wrote: > 1.7.x seem to support pause live tv out of the box, I certainly have not > applied > any patches to make it happen, and unfortunately there is no option to turn it > on and off as it would be best (Klaus, any chance to have pause live tv as a > menu option that can be switched on or off?) > > Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:52:57 +0200 > From: Theunis Potgieter > Subject: Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher? > To: VDR Mailing List > Message-ID: <23582ca0905060152u81f6cd9p35675baa6345...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > As far as I understand, vdr doesn't do pause live tv natively? I would > just go in the menu and disable the pause live tv option. I'm sure > that your vdr was probably patched to include this feature. > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > Isn't "pause live TV" an "instant recording". My VDR has some plugins, no patches, and has IMHO always done that. Cheers Brian ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
1.7.x seem to support pause live tv out of the box, I certainly have not applied any patches to make it happen, and unfortunately there is no option to turn it on and off as it would be best (Klaus, any chance to have pause live tv as a menu option that can be switched on or off?) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:52:57 +0200 From: Theunis Potgieter Subject: Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher? To: VDR Mailing List Message-ID: <23582ca0905060152u81f6cd9p35675baa6345...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 As far as I understand, vdr doesn't do pause live tv natively? I would just go in the menu and disable the pause live tv option. I'm sure that your vdr was probably patched to include this feature. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
As far as I understand, vdr doesn't do pause live tv natively? I would just go in the menu and disable the pause live tv option. I'm sure that your vdr was probably patched to include this feature. On 05/05/2009, marti...@embl.de wrote: > removing the pause key from remote.conf is not a proper solution as when > watching a recording I like to pause it sometimes. > In truth is not only my kids that press the pause key but my wife or myself > when > using mplayer to watch an .avi file. > Yes I could map the vdr pause key somewhere else as a workaround but I ask, > doesn´t anybody know how to patch the code to simply either: > > a) Disable the pause live tv feature all together (not the pause recording > playback) > --- or --- > b)Enable a confirmation dialog before the pause live tv kicks in > > If I knew how to code option b I would go for that but I would settle for o > ption > > a > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:18 AM, wrote: > Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I han > g it > from the ceiling. > > Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together? > > It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature... If you're kids are old enough to talk then they're old enough to understand "don't play with the remote". If not, they're too little to reach up very high. Whichever the case, it sounds like your problem can be easily solved without modifying remote.conf, VDR core, or anything else. I couldn't imagine fighting with a kid over something like that. No way! ;) ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
removing the pause key from remote.conf is not a proper solution as when watching a recording I like to pause it sometimes. In truth is not only my kids that press the pause key but my wife or myself when using mplayer to watch an .avi file. Yes I could map the vdr pause key somewhere else as a workaround but I ask, doesn´t anybody know how to patch the code to simply either: a) Disable the pause live tv feature all together (not the pause recording playback) --- or --- b)Enable a confirmation dialog before the pause live tv kicks in If I knew how to code option b I would go for that but I would settle for o ption a ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
> -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: vdr-boun...@linuxtv.org [mailto:vdr-boun...@linuxtv.org] För Halim > Sahin > Skickat: den 5 maj 2009 13:52 > Till: vdr@linuxtv.org > Ämne: Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher? > > hi, > > What's the difference? > your approach needs patching vdr. > Remooving the pause key from remote.conf does the same. > HTH. > Halim > Hi Halim, to me it is a big difference. If I'm watching a recording (which I do 99% of my TV-time) and there's a "Pause" key on my remote, I want it to work as expected. To me, this is one of the key points of open source software. If it doesn't work the way you want, modify it. /Magnus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
hi,
What's the difference?
your approach needs patching vdr.
Remooving the pause key from remote.conf does the same.
HTH.
Halim
On Di, Mai 05, 2009 at 12:13:33 +0200, Magnus Hörlin wrote:
> > -Ursprungligt meddelande-
> > Från: vdr-boun...@linuxtv.org [mailto:vdr-boun...@linuxtv.org] För
> > marti...@embl.de
> > Skickat: den 5 maj 2009 11:19
> > Till: vdr@linuxtv.org
> > Ämne: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
> >
> > Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I
> > han
> > g it
> > from the ceiling.
> >
> > Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together?
> >
> > It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature...
> >
>
> I think removing these lines in vdr.c would do the trick:
>
> // Pausing live video:
> case kPause:
>if (!cControl::Control()) {
> DELETE_MENU;
> if (!cRecordControls::PauseLiveVideo())
> Skins.Message(mtError, tr("No free DVB device to
> record!"));
> key = kNone; // nobody else needs to see this key
> }
>break;
>
> /Magnus H
>
>
>
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Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
Magnus Hörlin wrote:
>> -Ursprungligt meddelande-
>> Från: vdr-boun...@linuxtv.org [mailto:vdr-boun...@linuxtv.org] För
>> marti...@embl.de
>> Skickat: den 5 maj 2009 11:19
>> Till: vdr@linuxtv.org
>> Ämne: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
>>
>> Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I
>> han
>> g it
>> from the ceiling.
>>
>> Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together?
>>
>> It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature...
>>
>
> I think removing these lines in vdr.c would do the trick:
>
> // Pausing live video:
> case kPause:
>if (!cControl::Control()) {
> DELETE_MENU;
> if (!cRecordControls::PauseLiveVideo())
> Skins.Message(mtError, tr("No free DVB device to
> record!"));
> key = kNone; // nobody else needs to see this key
> }
>break;
>
> /Magnus H
>
>
>
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Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
hi, During playback you can pause it with down key. timeshift can be select in meinmenu. so He can simply disable the pause key. Regards Halim -- Halim Sahin E-Mail: halim.sahin (at) t-online.de ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
> -Ursprungligt meddelande-
> Från: vdr-boun...@linuxtv.org [mailto:vdr-boun...@linuxtv.org] För
> marti...@embl.de
> Skickat: den 5 maj 2009 11:19
> Till: vdr@linuxtv.org
> Ämne: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
>
> Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I
> han
> g it
> from the ceiling.
>
> Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together?
>
> It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature...
>
I think removing these lines in vdr.c would do the trick:
// Pausing live video:
case kPause:
if (!cControl::Control()) {
DELETE_MENU;
if (!cRecordControls::PauseLiveVideo())
Skins.Message(mtError, tr("No free DVB device to
record!"));
key = kNone; // nobody else needs to see this key
}
break;
/Magnus H
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Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
> -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: vdr-boun...@linuxtv.org [mailto:vdr-boun...@linuxtv.org] För Halim > Sahin > Skickat: den 5 maj 2009 11:57 > Till: vdr@linuxtv.org > Ämne: Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher? > > hi, > Remove the pause key from your remote.conf > Regards > Halim > > > ___ That is not what he's looking for since he probably wants the pause key to work during playback But do people still watch live tv? I hardly ever do anyway. /Magnus H ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
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hi, Remove the pause key from your remote.conf Regards Halim ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
marti...@embl.de wrote: > Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I han > g it > from the ceiling. > > Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together? > > It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature... Remove the keycode ... or train your kids ;) -- Best regards Peer Oliver Schmidt PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
[vdr] Can I disable pause live tv altogher?
Well, keeping the remote control away from my kids is not easy unless I han g it from the ceiling. Is there some way I can disable live tv pausing all together? It is causing a lot of trouble and I don´t reallly need that feature... ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
