Re: [Veritas-bu] question about restores in NB 6.5.x
As per my knowledge , there is no way we can set the priority on the restore jobs. Priority of restore jobs depends upon the sequence you initiate the restore. Abhishek Dhingra IBM Global Services, Delhi, Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile : +91-9818675370 rascal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/04/08 09:34 AM To veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu cc Subject [Veritas-bu] question about restores in NB 6.5.x Hello Netbackup Gurus, So I thought I would toss this out and get some feedback. As we all know, Netbackup automatically sets restore jobs to have the highest priority when placed into the queue, barring any changes to the configuration, acts of the unknown and just plain weird stuff That being said, we had a issue during a disaster recovery scenario where we had multiple restores running and fighting for resources. On top of that, we had to try and organize the restores in such a way that this restore runs first, followed by this one, than this one and so on (i.e. set a priority/order within the restore jobs). My question is that in my digging on google and symantec's site, I can't seem to find anything that would let me change the priority/order of multiple restore jobs; has anyone run into this and/or devised a method and/or has some tips on how they handle restores during a disaster recovery scenario in order to set priorities on what gets what resources and thus done first? -- Matthew MCP, MCSA, MCTS, OCA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Define Trouble: Why did you apply THAT patch?? ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] creating script to run VCB commands for Virtual Machine Backup
I have been able use Vmware Consolidated Backup to create a full copy of a VM using the vcbMounter command. When i do this the VM is copied to a folder on my backup server and I can then back this VM up. I know that I can use the bpstart_notify command to call a script but how do i integrate this process into a script? Which VCB commands do I need to use in the script? Should I be using the vcbMounter command or should i be using the vcbSnapshot command? Which command should i use to cleanup the copy of the VM once the backup has completed? If possible could someone send me a copy of the contents of a script that they use when VCB backups are implemented for full VM backups? Thanks, Mark Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] question about restores in NB 6.5.x
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:04 PM, rascal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is that in my digging on google and symantec's site, I can't seem to find anything that would let me change the priority/order of multiple restore jobs; has anyone run into this and/or devised a method and/or has some tips on how they handle restores during a disaster recovery scenario in order to set priorities on what gets what resources and thus done first? There is no way to do that today. That said, I do know that NetBackup product management is aware of the requirement. A related requirement is the ability to suspend active backups so that a restore can grab a tape drive faster. Symantec knows about that too. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Is there a Netbackup Integration Module for VMware VCB?
Hi Mark You get this from VMware's site and it runs on the VCB server. Cheers James mark wragge wrote: Is there such thing as a Netbackup Integration Module for VMware VCB as the VMWARE documentation for VCB states? I have not come across this on the symantec website. The version of netbackup in question is netbackup 6.0. Thanks again!! Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Question about expired media
Hello all, My question is, where can i see the expired media ID of a day? For example, this morning the media A0 had 1 image valid and this image was expired at 12:00, now is 14:00 and I want to obtain a list of the Media ID that has been expired today, not the images, tje Media ID. Thanks! Nacho ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Question about expired media
Nacho, I have not noticed any direct way to accomplish this. One suggestion would be to to collect listings of what's in your scratch pool on a daily basis, and then do a diff on today's vs. yesterday's scratch contents looking for the media that have been added since yesterday. --Larry On 4/24/08, Ignacio De Pedro - SUN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, My question is, where can i see the expired media ID of a day? For example, this morning the media A0 had 1 image valid and this image was expired at 12:00, now is 14:00 and I want to obtain a list of the Media ID that has been expired today, not the images, tje Media ID. Thanks! Nacho ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu -- Larry Fahnoe, Fahnoe Technology Consulting, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 952/925-0744 Minneapolis, Minnesota www.FahnoeTech.com ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Best Practice - Virus Scanning on windows FS's.
Hi guys, I have a windows file server I am currently backing up that I am expierencing very low throughput on. The volume in question is a 3.3TB partition with about 2.6TB in use. It's currently taking 66 hours to do a full of this file system to an LTO 4 tape. This is a network based backup. I've been doing tuning, and the network path is clean (The exchange server in the same rack on the same switch gets 8-9x the performance when it gets backed up) - it's gig-e all the way and is unloaded. One thing I was considering is that this may be an issue with the Virus scanner. Being a file server this contains a TON of files (9.8 million files totaling 2.9TB), and I'm wondering if the virus scanner is causing this. The tuning guide suggests I should turn anti-virus off, but my security director balked at this idea. I was wondering what some of you with way more data than I have do. Do you run virus scan on your fileservers? Do you back them up in a different way than I do? I need single file recovery. Any other tuning advice you can give? Jason -- Jason Slagle /\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign . X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail . ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Windows Master Server :(
Not being a Windows (you can fill in the blank) I would like to know your thoughts on the following configuration: Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Standard x64 Edition Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz 3.60GHZ, 5.93GB of RAM Proliant DL360 G4 Is this powerful enough to be a master/media server with 8 LTO III drives and approximately 9 windows media servers 1 solaris and 2 hp-ux media servers all using the same 8 drives (4 in the case of HP-UX, but that's another story). ANY, help will be appreciated. TIA Regards, Patrick ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Best Practice - Virus Scanning on windows FS's.
Flip your Security Director off (aka carefully negotiate) a test period where you disable virus scanning for a short window to try backing up the data without your AV running. We've done it here several times and what you will most likely find is a small boost (on average 2-3MB/sec.) The safe money IMO is on the fact that everyone's file server backups tend to be slow because you've got a process crawling the data, which takes forever. To speed it up either: 1) Multi-stream backups / running multiple crawlers at the same time 2) Use flashbackup Your exchange backups fly because you have a single contiguous block of data (the database file) followed by (relatively speaking) large .log files which are all in order. If your file server was several large database type files with only a few orderly and large log files you'd probably get similar performance. -Jonathan PS: I 3 Security Directors -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Slagle Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:51 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Best Practice - Virus Scanning on windows FS's. Hi guys, I have a windows file server I am currently backing up that I am expierencing very low throughput on. The volume in question is a 3.3TB partition with about 2.6TB in use. It's currently taking 66 hours to do a full of this file system to an LTO 4 tape. This is a network based backup. I've been doing tuning, and the network path is clean (The exchange server in the same rack on the same switch gets 8-9x the performance when it gets backed up) - it's gig-e all the way and is unloaded. One thing I was considering is that this may be an issue with the Virus scanner. Being a file server this contains a TON of files (9.8 million files totaling 2.9TB), and I'm wondering if the virus scanner is causing this. The tuning guide suggests I should turn anti-virus off, but my security director balked at this idea. I was wondering what some of you with way more data than I have do. Do you run virus scan on your fileservers? Do you back them up in a different way than I do? I need single file recovery. Any other tuning advice you can give? Jason -- Jason Slagle /\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign . X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail . ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] question about restores in NB 6.5.x
My experience is that they run in the order which you start them unless multiple restores are multiplexed on a tape. ie, you start jobs in order, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. if your multplex restore delay is set high enough, and images 2 and 4 are on the same tape, your restore order would be: 1 2 4 at once 3 5 -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rascal Sent: April 24, 2008 12:04 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] question about restores in NB 6.5.x Hello Netbackup Gurus, So I thought I would toss this out and get some feedback. As we all know, Netbackup automatically sets restore jobs to have the highest priority when placed into the queue, barring any changes to the configuration, acts of the unknown and just plain weird stuff That being said, we had a issue during a disaster recovery scenario where we had multiple restores running and fighting for resources. On top of that, we had to try and organize the restores in such a way that this restore runs first, followed by this one, than this one and so on (i.e. set a priority/order within the restore jobs). My question is that in my digging on google and symantec's site, I can't seem to find anything that would let me change the priority/order of multiple restore jobs; has anyone run into this and/or devised a method and/or has some tips on how they handle restores during a disaster recovery scenario in order to set priorities on what gets what resources and thus done first? -- Matthew MCP, MCSA, MCTS, OCA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Define Trouble: Why did you apply THAT patch?? La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Windows Master Server :(
If you're more comfortable with UNIX style OSes why not use the hardware to create a Linux master instead of a Windoze master? I gather there are several on the list using Linux for master servers. (We use HP-UX for our master.) I'm not sure the hardware below would be sufficient for a master though. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:22 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Windows Master Server :( Not being a Windows (you can fill in the blank) I would like to know your thoughts on the following configuration: Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Standard x64 Edition Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz 3.60GHZ, 5.93GB of RAM Proliant DL360 G4 Is this powerful enough to be a master/media server with 8 LTO III drives and approximately 9 windows media servers 1 solaris and 2 hp-ux media servers all using the same 8 drives (4 in the case of HP-UX, but that's another story). ANY, help will be appreciated. TIA Regards, Patrick ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail may contain privileged or confidential information and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message in error, and delete it. Thank you. -- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] question about restores in NB 6.5.x
Multiplexing is great for backup speeds but not so great for restore speeds as we found out at our first DR test years ago. A proper backup strategy needs to include backup AND recovery time. It doesn't do you any good to backup everything in 10 minutes if it takes you 10 months to restore. And of course the restore time is only one part of the full recovery time. As mentioned by someone else on this list sometime back the DR SLA should include the complete recovery time which includes things such as getting tapes to the DR location, getting personnel to the DR location, getting equipment on line at the DR location, spinning tape, and post restore steps to actually make things usable (e.g. applying archive logs made after your last full DB backup). From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Keating Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:47 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] question about restores in NB 6.5.x My experience is that they run in the order which you start them unless multiple restores are multiplexed on a tape. ie, you start jobs in order, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. if your multplex restore delay is set high enough, and images 2 and 4 are on the same tape, your restore order would be: 1 2 4 at once 3 5 -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rascal Sent: April 24, 2008 12:04 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] question about restores in NB 6.5.x Hello Netbackup Gurus, So I thought I would toss this out and get some feedback. As we all know, Netbackup automatically sets restore jobs to have the highest priority when placed into the queue, barring any changes to the configuration, acts of the unknown and just plain weird stuff That being said, we had a issue during a disaster recovery scenario where we had multiple restores running and fighting for resources. On top of that, we had to try and organize the restores in such a way that this restore runs first, followed by this one, than this one and so on (i.e. set a priority/order within the restore jobs). My question is that in my digging on google and symantec's site, I can't seem to find anything that would let me change the priority/order of multiple restore jobs; has anyone run into this and/or devised a method and/or has some tips on how they handle restores during a disaster recovery scenario in order to set priorities on what gets what resources and thus done first? -- Matthew MCP, MCSA, MCTS, OCA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Define Trouble: Why did you apply THAT patch?? La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail may contain privileged or confidential information and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message in error, and delete it. Thank you. -- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Best Practice - Virus Scanning on windows FS's.
The virus scanner should exclude the bpbkar32.exe process. But, I don't think that's your root issue here, but rather the millions of files. Once you start breaking the 1-2 million mark performance goes off a cliff when doing normal backups. The best way for you to speed up your backups at this point is to use the FlashBackup option which will do a raw backup of the drive and still allow the ability to do individual file restores. -Trey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Slagle Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:51 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Best Practice - Virus Scanning on windows FS's. Hi guys, I have a windows file server I am currently backing up that I am expierencing very low throughput on. The volume in question is a 3.3TB partition with about 2.6TB in use. It's currently taking 66 hours to do a full of this file system to an LTO 4 tape. This is a network based backup. I've been doing tuning, and the network path is clean (The exchange server in the same rack on the same switch gets 8-9x the performance when it gets backed up) - it's gig-e all the way and is unloaded. One thing I was considering is that this may be an issue with the Virus scanner. Being a file server this contains a TON of files (9.8 million files totaling 2.9TB), and I'm wondering if the virus scanner is causing this. The tuning guide suggests I should turn anti-virus off, but my security director balked at this idea. I was wondering what some of you with way more data than I have do. Do you run virus scan on your fileservers? Do you back them up in a different way than I do? I need single file recovery. Any other tuning advice you can give? Jason -- Jason Slagle /\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign . X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail . ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Question about expired media
Have you looked at bptm logs ? grep for *delete_expired_media *or * deassign_media* in the bptm log file On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Larry Fahnoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nacho, I have not noticed any direct way to accomplish this. One suggestion would be to to collect listings of what's in your scratch pool on a daily basis, and then do a diff on today's vs. yesterday's scratch contents looking for the media that have been added since yesterday. --Larry On 4/24/08, Ignacio De Pedro - SUN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, My question is, where can i see the expired media ID of a day? For example, this morning the media A0 had 1 image valid and this image was expired at 12:00, now is 14:00 and I want to obtain a list of the Media ID that has been expired today, not the images, tje Media ID. Thanks! Nacho ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu -- Larry Fahnoe, Fahnoe Technology Consulting, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 952/925-0744 Minneapolis, Minnesota www.FahnoeTech.com ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Windows Master Server :(
You failed to menton how many clients and how much you plan on backing up, that is probably the most important thing, then media servers, then master server. Justin. On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Jeff Lightner wrote: If you're more comfortable with UNIX style OSes why not use the hardware to create a Linux master instead of a Windoze master? I gather there are several on the list using Linux for master servers. (We use HP-UX for our master.) I'm not sure the hardware below would be sufficient for a master though. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:22 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Windows Master Server :( Not being a Windows (you can fill in the blank) I would like to know your thoughts on the following configuration: Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Standard x64 Edition Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz 3.60GHZ, 5.93GB of RAM Proliant DL360 G4 Is this powerful enough to be a master/media server with 8 LTO III drives and approximately 9 windows media servers 1 solaris and 2 hp-ux media servers all using the same 8 drives (4 in the case of HP-UX, but that's another story). ANY, help will be appreciated. TIA Regards, Patrick ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail may contain privileged or confidential information and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message in error, and delete it. Thank you. -- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Windows Master Server :(
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not being a Windows (you can fill in the blank) I would like to know your thoughts on the following configuration: Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Standard x64 Edition Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz 3.60GHZ, 5.93GB of RAM Proliant DL360 G4 Is this powerful enough to be a master/media server with 8 LTO III drives and approximately 9 windows media servers 1 solaris and 2 hp-ux media servers all using the same 8 drives (4 in the case of HP-UX, but that's another story). You can not drive 8 LTO-3 drives with a single DL360. No way. Don't even try. If you have enough data that you require 8 LTO-3 drives - i.e, you're writing 500-800 MB/sec for a lengthy period of time, you're probably going to saturate that DL360 master even if it's not handling any media server functionality unless you're backing up mostly very large database images. With that many media servers and tape drives, I would expect you to be in a highly-available clustered master configuration with some decent horsepower. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Is there any way to find an expired image on a tape?
Is there any way to find an expired image on a tape? NetBackup removes the catalog information concerning an expired image. The tape remains assigned to NetBackup until all images on the tape have expired. There could be an expired image on a tape that you could bpimport and do a restore of the image. You would first have to identify the tape and expire all active images on it before you could bpimport. Identifying the tape is the hard part when there are hundreds of possible tapes. I would think you would have to mount the tape and read it to see what images were on it. Another possible solution is to setup a temporary master server and bprecover an old catalog to it. Any other solutions? Bob Stump VERITAS Ain't it the truth? __ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. _ ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Windows Master Server :(
Ok, 37 clients (all windows except for the below mentioned UNIX) 12GB images folder. My real concern is the horsepower of the box in relation to doing all the task and writting to 8 SSO LTO 3 drives. The amount of data is about 30TB for full backups and most of the windows boxes are file print or exchange and some SQL. The UNIX boxes are Oracle. Does this help? As to the Linux comment, I would love to, but it's not up to me. If it were up to me it would be a Solaris box. :) Regards, Patrick You failed to menton how many clients and how much you plan on backing up, that is probably the most important thing, then media servers, then master server. Justin. On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Jeff Lightner wrote: If you're more comfortable with UNIX style OSes why not use the hardware to create a Linux master instead of a Windoze master? I gather there are several on the list using Linux for master servers. (We use HP-UX for our master.) I'm not sure the hardware below would be sufficient for a master though. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:22 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Windows Master Server :( Not being a Windows (you can fill in the blank) I would like to know your thoughts on the following configuration: Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Standard x64 Edition Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz 3.60GHZ, 5.93GB of RAM Proliant DL360 G4 Is this powerful enough to be a master/media server with 8 LTO III drives and approximately 9 windows media servers 1 solaris and 2 hp-ux media servers all using the same 8 drives (4 in the case of HP-UX, but that's another story). ANY, help will be appreciated. TIA Regards, Patrick ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail may contain privileged or confidential information and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message in error, and delete it. Thank you. -- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Best Practice - Virus Scanning on windows FSs.
+1 on Flashbackup. Also see if you can get DSSU in there too- by combining the 2 we have been able to cut backup times for 1TB volumes of 11k files (average file size, disks are 98%+ full) by 75% vs standard Windows backups to LT03. Tom Jason Slagle wrote: Hi guys, I have a windows file server I am currently backing up that I am expierencing very low throughput on. The volume in question is a 3.3TB partition with about 2.6TB in use. It's currently taking 66 hours to do a full of this file system to an LTO 4 tape. This is a network based backup. I've been doing tuning, and the network path is clean (The exchange server in the same rack on the same switch gets 8-9x the performance when it gets backed up) - it's gig-e all the way and is unloaded. One thing I was considering is that this may be an issue with the Virus scanner. Being a file server this contains a TON of files (9.8 million files totaling 2.9TB), and I'm wondering if the virus scanner is causing this. The tuning guide suggests I should turn anti-virus off, but my security director balked at this idea. I was wondering what some of you with way more data than I have do. Do you run virus scan on your fileservers? Do you back them up in a different way than I do? I need single file recovery. Any other tuning advice you can give? Jason -- Jason Slagle /\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign . X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail . ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Windows Master Server :(
For reference. http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise _Server/281842.pdf The minimum config in the matrix for a master not doing any client backups starts at 4 CPU. Since you want this to be a master/media, add, in addition to the master server power, the specs for a media server. 1 CPU for OS and Netbackup, 1 CPU per Gig E connection, and 1CPU for every 2 LTO3 drives. Looks like you're SEVERELY underpowered. Paul -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 24, 2008 9:22 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Windows Master Server :( Not being a Windows (you can fill in the blank) I would like to know your thoughts on the following configuration: Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Standard x64 Edition Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz 3.60GHZ, 5.93GB of RAM Proliant DL360 G4 Is this powerful enough to be a master/media server with 8 LTO III drives and approximately 9 windows media servers 1 solaris and 2 hp-ux media servers all using the same 8 drives (4 in the case of HP-UX, but that's another story). ANY, help will be appreciated. TIA Regards, Patrick ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Windows Master Server :(
PowerEdge 2950 here with 2 x Quad Core Intel Procs w/ 2.33Ghz and 4GB of ram running Windows 2003 SP2 and NBU 6.5.1. We backup 28TB a week with two media servers and local storage (Dell PV MD1000s w/ SATA Disks)without issue. My biggest issue was the 100GB catalog being on a simple mirror. I quickly found that I needed to popular my internal storage with SAS Disks and a raid-5. Other than that, I don't think you need another OS or a beefier box. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Windows Master Server :( Ok, 37 clients (all windows except for the below mentioned UNIX) 12GB images folder. My real concern is the horsepower of the box in relation to doing all the task and writting to 8 SSO LTO 3 drives. The amount of data is about 30TB for full backups and most of the windows boxes are file print or exchange and some SQL. The UNIX boxes are Oracle. Does this help? As to the Linux comment, I would love to, but it's not up to me. If it were up to me it would be a Solaris box. :) Regards, Patrick You failed to menton how many clients and how much you plan on backing up, that is probably the most important thing, then media servers, then master server. Justin. On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Jeff Lightner wrote: If you're more comfortable with UNIX style OSes why not use the hardware to create a Linux master instead of a Windoze master? I gather there are several on the list using Linux for master servers. (We use HP-UX for our master.) I'm not sure the hardware below would be sufficient for a master though. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:22 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Windows Master Server :( Not being a Windows (you can fill in the blank) I would like to know your thoughts on the following configuration: Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Standard x64 Edition Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.60GHz 3.60GHZ, 5.93GB of RAM Proliant DL360 G4 Is this powerful enough to be a master/media server with 8 LTO III drives and approximately 9 windows media servers 1 solaris and 2 hp-ux media servers all using the same 8 drives (4 in the case of HP-UX, but that's another story). ANY, help will be appreciated. TIA Regards, Patrick ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail may contain privileged or confidential information and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message in error, and delete it. Thank you. -- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Changing media server for restore
I'm running NBU 6.0 MP5. A couple of weeks ago we retired one of our Media servers and brought a new one online (Different host names). I'm attempting to restore some files from one of my host, but the restore is looking for the old media server? How can I make NBU use the new media server for the restore? Thank you in advance, Eduardo J. Paiz -- This e-mail transmission contains information intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. Further, it contains information that may be privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your mail system. Thank you for your compliance. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Changing media server for restore
Hate to say it, you may be hurting. There's database information on the old media server that should've been transferred as part of your retirement process (bpmedia -movedb). You might try the force restore option in your master server's bp.conf file: FORCE_RESTORE_MEDIA_SERVER = oldhost newhost ...and see if that's sufficient. -M From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paiz, Eduardo Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:12 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Changing media server for restore I'm running NBU 6.0 MP5. A couple of weeks ago we retired one of our Media servers and brought a new one online (Different host names). I'm attempting to restore some files from one of my host, but the restore is looking for the old media server? How can I make NBU use the new media server for the restore? Thank you in advance, Eduardo J. Paiz -- This e-mail transmission contains information intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. Further, it contains information that may be privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your mail system. Thank you for your compliance. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Windows Master Server :(
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: As to the Linux comment, I would love to, but it's not up to me. If it were up to me it would be a Solaris box. :) You should be able to run Solaris-10_x86 on the DL360. There was a discussion here recently about using NBU-6.5 on the Solaris-x86 platform as a master. Regards, Marion ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Best Practice - Virus Scanning on windows FS's.
Hi! Martin, Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The safe money IMO is on the fact that everyone's file server backups tend to be slow because you've got a process crawling the data, which takes forever. To speed it up either: 1) Multi-stream backups / running multiple crawlers at the same time 2) Use flashbackup We have had the same problem and initially tried to use flashbackup, however the restores from flashbackup is much slower so we currently use multi-stream backups. With multi-stream backups we can run a full backup within 24 hours with 10+ million files and roughly 700 GByte of data. We always use backup to disk at nights and then stage it to tape during the day -J = Janåke Rönnblom IT avdelningen, Teknous, Skellefteå Kommun Assistentgatan 23 931 77 Skelleftea (Sweden) - Phone : +46-910-58 54 24 Mobile : 070-397 07 43 Fax: +46-910-58 54 99 URL: http://www.skelleftea.se - Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. -- Henry Spencer ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] I'm Lazy - BMR Primer
6.5.1 on Windows 2003 So I've got this VM Project running and I'm trying to restore servers to VM. I could build a machine, load the client, and restore - but I think BMR is a much better way to do this. We were not licensed for it previously, but now that we are - why not? Anyhow... From what I've seen on this list. 1 - Make sure you backup with TIR and move detection 2 - Boot to the BMR CD and restore Before I go blow through the manual (there goes another weekend) anyone wana throw me a bone? Thanks :) -Jonathan ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] I'm Lazy - BMR Primer
I just recently did this, migrating a physical server to a VM (MS Virtual Server). I took a BMR backup of the server and copied the client config to a new one. Here's what goes: 1. Change the MAC addy to the MAC of the virtual server 2. Clean up the unneeded drivers. We purged all the SCSI since the VM was simply an IDE. 3. Make sure the Network adapter used in the VM will work with BMR. You'll find out quickly when the restore time comes. 4. Have the physical server offline, otherwise, it won't work. I had to create a custom bootable CD from my SRT to get it to work. Still not sure why. Good luck! Jason From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:27 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] I'm Lazy - BMR Primer 6.5.1 on Windows 2003 So I've got this VM Project running and I'm trying to restore servers to VM. I could build a machine, load the client, and restore - but I think BMR is a much better way to do this. We were not licensed for it previously, but now that we are - why not? Anyhow... From what I've seen on this list. 1 - Make sure you backup with TIR and move detection 2 - Boot to the BMR CD and restore Before I go blow through the manual (there goes another weekend) anyone wana throw me a bone? Thanks :) -Jonathan ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Is there any way to find an expired image on a tape?
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 09:49:37AM -0500, Stump, Bob A wrote: Is there any way to find an expired image on a tape? NetBackup removes the catalog information concerning an expired image. The tape remains assigned to NetBackup until all images on the tape have expired. There could be an expired image on a tape that you could bpimport and do a restore of the image. Right. You would first have to identify the tape and expire all active images on it before you could bpimport. Identifying the tape is the hard part when there are hundreds of possible tapes. I would think you would have to mount the tape and read it to see what images were on it. True. There's one additional optimization I can think of if you're talking about a lot of tapes. If an image on a volume expires, does the 'bpmedialist' figure for the size of data on the tape decrease? If not, you could sum the size of all image fragments on the volume and see if it adds up to the volume total. A discrepancy would indicate a gap for an expired image, and it might be worthwhile to either import or directly examine that volume. Another possible solution is to setup a temporary master server and bprecover an old catalog to it. Any other solutions? Look at the tape, look at an old catalog. I can't think of anything else that would be worthwhile. -- Darren Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Technical Consultant TAOShttp://www.taos.com/ Got some Dr Pepper? San Francisco, CA bay area This line left intentionally blank to confuse you. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Deduping with Tape as a final destination
Hi, All. Just trying to get some clarification here. We currently have NBU 6.0MP6 on Win2003, with a Sepaton VTL and a Dell tape library with FC. We're looking at two possible directions at this time: 1) Going to NBU6.5 or 2) Going to CommVault as our backup options and, in either case looking to Dedupe. Whether to use Sepaton's target based or the backup app's source based Dedupe solution, is still being pondered. My question is actually rather simple; if we are backing up/deduping to the Sepaton and want to then copy the data to tape, will it be a matter of a straight copy from VTL to tape? Or will this require un-deduping from the VTL and the re-deduping to tape? Thanks, Michael +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Best Practice - Virus Scanning on windows FS's.
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Rönnblom Janåke /Teknous [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have had the same problem and initially tried to use flashbackup, however the restores from flashbackup is much slower so we currently use multi-stream backups. We haven't experienced slow restores. With multi-stream backups we can run a full backup within 24 hours with 10+ million files and roughly 700 GByte of data. I just checked our activity monitor and found a 540GB backup with 17+ million files that completed in 3 hours. That's why we use Flash backups. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] multiplexing file server with lots of small files
Would multi-plexing help in backing up a NFS server with millions of small files? How much would it help by? +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Veritas-bu Digest, Vol 24, Issue 60 - Changing media server for restore
Today's Topics: 1. Changing media server for restore (Paiz, Eduardo) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:11:32 -0400 From: Paiz, Eduardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Veritas-bu] Changing media server for restore To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm running NBU 6.0 MP5. A couple of weeks ago we retired one of our Media servers and brought a new one online (Different host names). I'm attempting to restore some files from one of my host, but the restore is looking for the old media server? How can I make NBU use the new media server for the restore? Thank you in advance, Eduardo J. Paiz -- You should be able to repair this by opening the NetBackup Management/Host Properties/Master Server pane. In the Master Server pane click on General Server. There is a dialog box for Media Host Override. Entering the name of the original media server and the new server that you are trying to restore from should solve your problem. Jamie Jamison Network Systems Administrator ZymoGenetics ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Deduping with Tape as a final destination
The VTL will redupe it when handing it to NBU to copy to tape, but that should happen at line speed and not affect the speed of your copy. --- W. Curtis Preston Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:veritas-bu- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mbpettis Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:45 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Deduping with Tape as a final destination Hi, All. Just trying to get some clarification here. We currently have NBU 6.0MP6 on Win2003, with a Sepaton VTL and a Dell tape library with FC. We're looking at two possible directions at this time: 1) Going to NBU6.5 or 2) Going to CommVault as our backup options and, in either case looking to Dedupe. Whether to use Sepaton's target based or the backup app's source based Dedupe solution, is still being pondered. My question is actually rather simple; if we are backing up/deduping to the Sepaton and want to then copy the data to tape, will it be a matter of a straight copy from VTL to tape? Or will this require un-deduping from the VTL and the re-deduping to tape? Thanks, Michael +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
