[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-15 Thread jim phillips



 


From: markflie...@hotmail.com
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Subject: RE: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:48:20 -0600



for the list...
 
Mike, i've always been told/taught, that it's best to NEVER let your leader 
come inside the tiptop when landing fish. Personally i stick to 
that..no matter...what. If i loose a fish because i can't get it 
close enough to netso be itfish are like street 
cars...you miss one, you'll catch another. Gettin' a pic with that 
monster is nothin' but an ego tripwho cares. i don't fish to 
"catch".there are way to many much more important reason to fish. 
Fly fishin', most of all.is so much MORE, about a myrid of things other 
than catchin'.most the time nowdays.i don't even remember to attach 
my net to my vest.and if at all possible, i try to release all fish 
without ever touchin' 'em, if i can. Occasionally, when i do take a (stocked) 
fish to eat.(NEVER a wild fish), i'll find a way to land 'em. Then, i'll 
WACK 'em immediately. 
Main thing i never wanna do, is get a "kink" or hard to straighten-out bend in 
my leader.those things can spook a fish in a second. When walking from 
place to place on the river.with your leader reeled up.ALWAYS make 
SURE you have some line inside the tip-top, and wrap your leader around the 
reel bringing the fly up to the highest guide nessessary to accomplish this. 
NEVER have your leader "bent" on the tip-top. VERY easy to do an instant 
release and throw a QUICK cast that way as well. mark.
 

 
> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:01:19 -1000
> Subject: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?
> From: flyfish...@gmail.com
> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> This is an interesting item. I use longer leaders for dry fly fishing
> and have little problems with them. I personally prefer something in
> the 9-11" (with tippet) for nymphing. It probably should make little
> difference but when landing a fish you have to get him to you so the
> connection between the flyline and the leader must pass through the
> guides no matter what the length of the leader - right? I am missing
> something here but can't visualize it. I need to get out and do some
> fishing.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Wes Wada  wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > I normally fish with 11' leaders.  That length allows me to net a fish
> > without bringing the line/leader connection through the tip top guide.
> >  Once that knot or loop is inside the guides, you have significantly
> > increased the odds you will lose the fish!  It just takes a momentary
> > hangup of the knot in the guides to break light tippets.
> >
> > I have found a product like Loon Knot-Sense (think it is called
> > something else these days) helps when you are knotting mono to the fly
> > line.  The product is molded around the knot so that the connection is
> > more smooth and streamlined.
> >
> > Wes
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael Bliss  wrote:
> >>
> >>  I would guess you have already done this.  Does it really go through
> >>  the guides - slick as snot? - whatever he said.  Try as I might the
> >>  knots when the leader connects to the fly line occasionally cause me
> >>  grief.
> >>
> >>  Mike
> >>
> >>
> >
> > >
> >
> 
> > 



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[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-15 Thread gary and joan smith

Any idea as to its intended use?
Gary S

- Original Message - 
From: "Wes Wada" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 12:32 PM
Subject: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?


>
> Also, there is a product I am not familiar with, called Gudebrod
> C-Thru.  It's a clear, braided nylon cord that comes in 6# and 8# test
> sizes (among others).  Go to the createforless.com site and search for
> Gudebrod C-Thru.  The catch is it is only available three spools at a
> time, and this is the only outlet I have been able to find for the
> product.
>
> Wes Wada
> Bend, Oregon
>
> >
> 


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[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-15 Thread Michael Bliss

This is an interesting item.  I use longer leaders for dry fly fishing
and have little problems with them.  I personally prefer something in
the 9-11" (with tippet) for nymphing.  It probably should make little
difference but when landing a fish you have to get him to you so the
connection between the flyline and the leader must pass through the
guides no matter what the length of the leader - right?  I am missing
something here but can't visualize it.  I need to get out and do some
fishing.

Mike

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Wes Wada  wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I normally fish with 11' leaders.  That length allows me to net a fish
> without bringing the line/leader connection through the tip top guide.
>  Once that knot or loop is inside the guides, you have significantly
> increased the odds you will lose the fish!  It just takes a momentary
> hangup of the knot in the guides to break light tippets.
>
> I have found a product like Loon Knot-Sense (think it is called
> something else these days) helps when you are knotting mono to the fly
> line.  The product is molded around the knot so that the connection is
> more smooth and streamlined.
>
> Wes
>
>
>
> Michael Bliss  wrote:
>>
>>  I would guess you have already done this.  Does it really go through
>>  the guides - slick as snot? - whatever he said.  Try as I might the
>>  knots when the leader connects to the fly line occasionally cause me
>>  grief.
>>
>>  Mike
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-15 Thread Michael Bliss

That is good counsel.  I will try it.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Jack Lehman  wrote:
>
> The trick here to learn is that, when you raise your rod with one hand
> and reach for the fish/leader with the other, turn your rod so the the
> reel is up, not down or sideways.  If you have snake guides on the rod,
> the knots in your connections will slip through moving against the rod,
> not the guides, should the fish decide to make another run.  Try it.
>
> Jack
> Austin
>
> Wes Wada wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>> I normally fish with 11' leaders.  That length allows me to net a fish
>> without bringing the line/leader connection through the tip top guide.
>>  Once that knot or loop is inside the guides, you have significantly
>> increased the odds you will lose the fish!  It just takes a momentary
>> hangup of the knot in the guides to break light tippets.
>>
>> I have found a product like Loon Knot-Sense (think it is called
>> something else these days) helps when you are knotting mono to the fly
>> line.  The product is molded around the knot so that the connection is
>> more smooth and streamlined.
>>
>> Wes
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Bliss  wrote:
>>
>>>  I would guess you have already done this.  Does it really go through
>>>  the guides - slick as snot? - whatever he said.  Try as I might the
>>>  knots when the leader connects to the fly line occasionally cause me
>>>  grief.
>>>
>>>  Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-15 Thread Jack Lehman

The trick here to learn is that, when you raise your rod with one hand 
and reach for the fish/leader with the other, turn your rod so the the 
reel is up, not down or sideways.  If you have snake guides on the rod, 
the knots in your connections will slip through moving against the rod, 
not the guides, should the fish decide to make another run.  Try it.

Jack
Austin

Wes Wada wrote:
> Mike,
>
> I normally fish with 11' leaders.  That length allows me to net a fish
> without bringing the line/leader connection through the tip top guide.
>  Once that knot or loop is inside the guides, you have significantly
> increased the odds you will lose the fish!  It just takes a momentary
> hangup of the knot in the guides to break light tippets.
>
> I have found a product like Loon Knot-Sense (think it is called
> something else these days) helps when you are knotting mono to the fly
> line.  The product is molded around the knot so that the connection is
> more smooth and streamlined.
>
> Wes
>
>
>
> Michael Bliss  wrote:
>   
>>  I would guess you have already done this.  Does it really go through
>>  the guides - slick as snot? - whatever he said.  Try as I might the
>>  knots when the leader connects to the fly line occasionally cause me
>>  grief.
>>
>>  Mike
>>
>>
>> 
>
> >
>
>   

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[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-15 Thread Wes Wada

Mike,

I normally fish with 11' leaders.  That length allows me to net a fish
without bringing the line/leader connection through the tip top guide.
 Once that knot or loop is inside the guides, you have significantly
increased the odds you will lose the fish!  It just takes a momentary
hangup of the knot in the guides to break light tippets.

I have found a product like Loon Knot-Sense (think it is called
something else these days) helps when you are knotting mono to the fly
line.  The product is molded around the knot so that the connection is
more smooth and streamlined.

Wes



Michael Bliss  wrote:
>
>  I would guess you have already done this.  Does it really go through
>  the guides - slick as snot? - whatever he said.  Try as I might the
>  knots when the leader connects to the fly line occasionally cause me
>  grief.
>
>  Mike
>
>

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[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-15 Thread Anthony Spezio
I have been using braided loops from Gudebrod for a lot of years, am real 
pleased with them. I have no problem with going through the guides. Some other 
brands are a lot stiffer and they did not please me especally some Black ones I 
got one time..
Tony

--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Michael Bliss  wrote:

From: Michael Bliss 
Subject: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 1:07 PM


I would guess you have already done this.  Does it really go through
the guides - slick as snot? - whatever he said.  Try as I might the
knots when the leader connects to the fly line occasionally cause me
grief.

Mike

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Wes Wada  wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> It was snowing hard in Bend today.  We are going to go directly from
> winter to the 4th of July.  Aloha.
>
> Henry posted this link about the loop construction.  The info is part
> of Dan Blanton's web site.
>
> Get Looped
> http://www.danblanton.com/gettinglooped.html
>
>
> That's actually a nice salutation:
>
> Get Looped,
> Wes
>
>
> P.S.  I am giving myself the challenge to create braided nylon loops
> from the 6-pound Gudebrod C-Thru.  Haven't a clue yet what I'd use
> them for.
>
>
>
> On 4/14/09, Michael Bliss  wrote:
>>
>>  So Wes are you making loop connectors for your fly lines?  If you are
>>  I would be interested in the process.  I have been using the braided
>>  leaders for some time and love them but the connections to the fly
>>  line are not how I would like them yet.
>>
>>  Mike
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Wes Wada  wrote:
>>  >
>>  > The Gudebrod C-Thru product arrived yesterday, and I have been playing
>>  > with the material.  If you took the standard braided nylon material
>>  > used for making loops, and scaled it down using smaller diameter nylon
>>  > fibers, then you can visualize the product.
>>  >
>>  > The braided loop material is commonly available in 35-pound and 50-pound 
>> test.
>>  >
>>  > The C-Thru material is 25yd. spools of 17, 8, or 6 pound.  I ordered
>>  > the 8 and 6.
>>  >
>>  > The breaking strength listing is very deceptive, as I haven't been
>>  > able to break the 8 pound test with my hands.  It is very sturdy
>>  > stuff, tightly braided.
>>  >
>>  > The 8 pound is .019 diameter, and about 1/16", about the same as many
>>  > butt sections of leaders.  Indeed, you could easily have a quick
>>  > substitute for a furled leader butt using this stuff.
>>  >
>>  > The 6 pound test is .015 diameter, about 50% thicker than 1/32".
>>  >
>>  > I am not sure what types and sizes of dacron are used for blind eye
>>  > hooks, but the C-Thru would make a very good alternative.
>>  >
>>  > The source for the material, available in single spools, is Land of Odds:
>>  >
>>  > 6-pound C-Thru
>>  > http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28074
>>  >
>>  > 8-pound C-Thru
>>  > http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28075
>>  >
>>  > 17-pound C-Thru
>>  > http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28076
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > If anybody has further questions, just contact me offline.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Wes Wada
>>  > Bend, Oregon
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > On 4/11/09, Wes Wada  wrote:
>>  >> I have found a source to order single spools of 6# and 8# Gudebrod
>>  >>  C-Thru.  The order should arrive any day now, and I will report on the
>>  >>  product and source.
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>  Wes
>>  >>
>>  >
>>  > >
>>  >
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>
> >
>





  
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[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-15 Thread Michael Bliss

I would guess you have already done this.  Does it really go through
the guides - slick as snot? - whatever he said.  Try as I might the
knots when the leader connects to the fly line occasionally cause me
grief.

Mike

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Wes Wada  wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> It was snowing hard in Bend today.  We are going to go directly from
> winter to the 4th of July.  Aloha.
>
> Henry posted this link about the loop construction.  The info is part
> of Dan Blanton's web site.
>
> Get Looped
> http://www.danblanton.com/gettinglooped.html
>
>
> That's actually a nice salutation:
>
> Get Looped,
> Wes
>
>
> P.S.  I am giving myself the challenge to create braided nylon loops
> from the 6-pound Gudebrod C-Thru.  Haven't a clue yet what I'd use
> them for.
>
>
>
> On 4/14/09, Michael Bliss  wrote:
>>
>>  So Wes are you making loop connectors for your fly lines?  If you are
>>  I would be interested in the process.  I have been using the braided
>>  leaders for some time and love them but the connections to the fly
>>  line are not how I would like them yet.
>>
>>  Mike
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Wes Wada  wrote:
>>  >
>>  > The Gudebrod C-Thru product arrived yesterday, and I have been playing
>>  > with the material.  If you took the standard braided nylon material
>>  > used for making loops, and scaled it down using smaller diameter nylon
>>  > fibers, then you can visualize the product.
>>  >
>>  > The braided loop material is commonly available in 35-pound and 50-pound 
>> test.
>>  >
>>  > The C-Thru material is 25yd. spools of 17, 8, or 6 pound.  I ordered
>>  > the 8 and 6.
>>  >
>>  > The breaking strength listing is very deceptive, as I haven't been
>>  > able to break the 8 pound test with my hands.  It is very sturdy
>>  > stuff, tightly braided.
>>  >
>>  > The 8 pound is .019 diameter, and about 1/16", about the same as many
>>  > butt sections of leaders.  Indeed, you could easily have a quick
>>  > substitute for a furled leader butt using this stuff.
>>  >
>>  > The 6 pound test is .015 diameter, about 50% thicker than 1/32".
>>  >
>>  > I am not sure what types and sizes of dacron are used for blind eye
>>  > hooks, but the C-Thru would make a very good alternative.
>>  >
>>  > The source for the material, available in single spools, is Land of Odds:
>>  >
>>  > 6-pound C-Thru
>>  > http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28074
>>  >
>>  > 8-pound C-Thru
>>  > http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28075
>>  >
>>  > 17-pound C-Thru
>>  > http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28076
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > If anybody has further questions, just contact me offline.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Wes Wada
>>  > Bend, Oregon
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > On 4/11/09, Wes Wada  wrote:
>>  >> I have found a source to order single spools of 6# and 8# Gudebrod
>>  >>  C-Thru.  The order should arrive any day now, and I will report on the
>>  >>  product and source.
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>  Wes
>>  >>
>>  >
>>  > >
>>  >
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>
> >
>

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[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-15 Thread Neville Gosling

Mike:

I tried a hair dryer on max heat but it did not weld the loop together. The
heat needs to be concentrated. The shrink tubing shrunk but returning home
after after casting with the line 
on the river, the loop slid out of the tube a few days later.

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver
B. C.   Canada 


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Of Michael Bliss
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:45 AM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?


Does it have to be a heat gun?  Would a hair dryer work?

Mike

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Thomas Eckert 
wrote:
>
> Take al look on: http://www.fishandfly.com/articles/20090320_1
> They show how to make a welded loop with some shrink tube - works 
> perfect Thomas
>
> 
> Thomas R. Eckert
> royalcoach...@bluewin.ch
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> CH 8032 Zürich 7 ZH
> Switzerland
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> Von: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] Im 
> Auftrag von Michael Bliss
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 00:40
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> Betreff: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?
>
>
> So Wes are you making loop connectors for your fly lines?  If you are 
> I would be interested in the process.  I have been using the braided 
> leaders for some time and love them but the connections to the fly 
> line are not how I would like them yet.
>
> Mike
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Wes Wada  wrote:
>>
>> The Gudebrod C-Thru product arrived yesterday, and I have been 
>> playing with the material.  If you took the standard braided nylon 
>> material used for making loops, and scaled it down using smaller 
>> diameter nylon fibers, then you can visualize the product.
>>
>> The braided loop material is commonly available in 35-pound and 
>> 50-pound
> test.
>>
>> The C-Thru material is 25yd. spools of 17, 8, or 6 pound.  I ordered 
>> the 8 and 6.
>>
>> The breaking strength listing is very deceptive, as I haven't been 
>> able to break the 8 pound test with my hands.  It is very sturdy 
>> stuff, tightly braided.
>>
>> The 8 pound is .019 diameter, and about 1/16", about the same as many 
>> butt sections of leaders.  Indeed, you could easily have a quick 
>> substitute for a furled leader butt using this stuff.
>>
>> The 6 pound test is .015 diameter, about 50% thicker than 1/32".
>>
>> I am not sure what types and sizes of dacron are used for blind eye 
>> hooks, but the C-Thru would make a very good alternative.
>>
>> The source for the material, available in single spools, is Land of Odds:
>>
>> 6-pound C-Thru
>> http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28074
>>
>> 8-pound C-Thru
>> http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28075
>>
>> 17-pound C-Thru
>> http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28076
>>
>>
>> If anybody has further questions, just contact me offline.
>>
>>
>> Wes Wada
>> Bend, Oregon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/11/09, Wes Wada  wrote:
>>> I have found a source to order single spools of 6# and 8# Gudebrod
>>>  C-Thru.  The order should arrive any day now, and I will report on 
>>> the
>>>  product and source.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Wes
>>>
>>
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> >
>



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[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-15 Thread Michael Bliss

Does it have to be a heat gun?  Would a hair dryer work?

Mike

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Thomas Eckert
 wrote:
>
> Take al look on: http://www.fishandfly.com/articles/20090320_1
> They show how to make a welded loop with some shrink tube - works perfect
> Thomas
>
> 
> Thomas R. Eckert
> royalcoach...@bluewin.ch
> Sonnhaldenstrasse 14
> CH 8032 Zürich 7 ZH
> Switzerland
> Tel.: +41442628367
> Mobil: +41796795463
> www.royalcoachman.net
> 
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> Von: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] Im Auftrag
> von Michael Bliss
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 00:40
> An: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> Betreff: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?
>
>
> So Wes are you making loop connectors for your fly lines?  If you are
> I would be interested in the process.  I have been using the braided
> leaders for some time and love them but the connections to the fly
> line are not how I would like them yet.
>
> Mike
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Wes Wada  wrote:
>>
>> The Gudebrod C-Thru product arrived yesterday, and I have been playing
>> with the material.  If you took the standard braided nylon material
>> used for making loops, and scaled it down using smaller diameter nylon
>> fibers, then you can visualize the product.
>>
>> The braided loop material is commonly available in 35-pound and 50-pound
> test.
>>
>> The C-Thru material is 25yd. spools of 17, 8, or 6 pound.  I ordered
>> the 8 and 6.
>>
>> The breaking strength listing is very deceptive, as I haven't been
>> able to break the 8 pound test with my hands.  It is very sturdy
>> stuff, tightly braided.
>>
>> The 8 pound is .019 diameter, and about 1/16", about the same as many
>> butt sections of leaders.  Indeed, you could easily have a quick
>> substitute for a furled leader butt using this stuff.
>>
>> The 6 pound test is .015 diameter, about 50% thicker than 1/32".
>>
>> I am not sure what types and sizes of dacron are used for blind eye
>> hooks, but the C-Thru would make a very good alternative.
>>
>> The source for the material, available in single spools, is Land of Odds:
>>
>> 6-pound C-Thru
>> http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28074
>>
>> 8-pound C-Thru
>> http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28075
>>
>> 17-pound C-Thru
>> http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28076
>>
>>
>> If anybody has further questions, just contact me offline.
>>
>>
>> Wes Wada
>> Bend, Oregon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/11/09, Wes Wada  wrote:
>>> I have found a source to order single spools of 6# and 8# Gudebrod
>>>  C-Thru.  The order should arrive any day now, and I will report on the
>>>  product and source.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Wes
>>>
>>
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> >
>

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[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-15 Thread jim phillips

 


From: markflie...@hotmail.com
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com; desert-tr...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:22:33 -0600



for the list please&tkx.
 
Wes.can you post a pic of this stuff.in loop form? i'm curious as to 
whether it might actually work for eyes on blind eye hooks..and wheter 
or not the stuff is dyeable mark
 
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:13:18 -0700
> Subject: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?
> From: w...@wadaworks.com
> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> It was snowing hard in Bend today. We are going to go directly from
> winter to the 4th of July. Aloha.
> 
> Henry posted this link about the loop construction. The info is part
> of Dan Blanton's web site.
> 
> Get Looped
> http://www.danblanton.com/gettinglooped.html
> 
> 
> That's actually a nice salutation:
> 
> Get Looped,
> Wes
> 
> 
> P.S. I am giving myself the challenge to create braided nylon loops
> from the 6-pound Gudebrod C-Thru. Haven't a clue yet what I'd use
> them for.
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/14/09, Michael Bliss  wrote:
> >
> > So Wes are you making loop connectors for your fly lines? If you are
> > I would be interested in the process. I have been using the braided
> > leaders for some time and love them but the connections to the fly
> > line are not how I would like them yet.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Wes Wada  wrote:
> > >
> > > The Gudebrod C-Thru product arrived yesterday, and I have been playing
> > > with the material. If you took the standard braided nylon material
> > > used for making loops, and scaled it down using smaller diameter nylon
> > > fibers, then you can visualize the product.
> > >
> > > The braided loop material is commonly available in 35-pound and 50-pound 
> > > test.
> > >
> > > The C-Thru material is 25yd. spools of 17, 8, or 6 pound. I ordered
> > > the 8 and 6.
> > >
> > > The breaking strength listing is very deceptive, as I haven't been
> > > able to break the 8 pound test with my hands. It is very sturdy
> > > stuff, tightly braided.
> > >
> > > The 8 pound is .019 diameter, and about 1/16", about the same as many
> > > butt sections of leaders. Indeed, you could easily have a quick
> > > substitute for a furled leader butt using this stuff.
> > >
> > > The 6 pound test is .015 diameter, about 50% thicker than 1/32".
> > >
> > > I am not sure what types and sizes of dacron are used for blind eye
> > > hooks, but the C-Thru would make a very good alternative.
> > >
> > > The source for the material, available in single spools, is Land of Odds:
> > >
> > > 6-pound C-Thru
> > > http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28074
> > >
> > > 8-pound C-Thru
> > > http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28075
> > >
> > > 17-pound C-Thru
> > > http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28076
> > >
> > >
> > > If anybody has further questions, just contact me offline.
> > >
> > >
> > > Wes Wada
> > > Bend, Oregon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/11/09, Wes Wada  wrote:
> > >> I have found a source to order single spools of 6# and 8# Gudebrod
> > >> C-Thru. The order should arrive any day now, and I will report on the
> > >> product and source.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Wes
> > >>
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> 
> > 



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AW: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-15 Thread Thomas Eckert

Take al look on: http://www.fishandfly.com/articles/20090320_1
They show how to make a welded loop with some shrink tube - works perfect
Thomas


Thomas R. Eckert
royalcoach...@bluewin.ch
Sonnhaldenstrasse 14
CH 8032 Zürich 7 ZH
Switzerland
Tel.: +41442628367
Mobil: +41796795463
www.royalcoachman.net

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] Im Auftrag
von Michael Bliss
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 00:40
An: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Betreff: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?


So Wes are you making loop connectors for your fly lines?  If you are
I would be interested in the process.  I have been using the braided
leaders for some time and love them but the connections to the fly
line are not how I would like them yet.

Mike

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Wes Wada  wrote:
>
> The Gudebrod C-Thru product arrived yesterday, and I have been playing
> with the material.  If you took the standard braided nylon material
> used for making loops, and scaled it down using smaller diameter nylon
> fibers, then you can visualize the product.
>
> The braided loop material is commonly available in 35-pound and 50-pound
test.
>
> The C-Thru material is 25yd. spools of 17, 8, or 6 pound.  I ordered
> the 8 and 6.
>
> The breaking strength listing is very deceptive, as I haven't been
> able to break the 8 pound test with my hands.  It is very sturdy
> stuff, tightly braided.
>
> The 8 pound is .019 diameter, and about 1/16", about the same as many
> butt sections of leaders.  Indeed, you could easily have a quick
> substitute for a furled leader butt using this stuff.
>
> The 6 pound test is .015 diameter, about 50% thicker than 1/32".
>
> I am not sure what types and sizes of dacron are used for blind eye
> hooks, but the C-Thru would make a very good alternative.
>
> The source for the material, available in single spools, is Land of Odds:
>
> 6-pound C-Thru
> http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28074
>
> 8-pound C-Thru
> http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28075
>
> 17-pound C-Thru
> http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28076
>
>
> If anybody has further questions, just contact me offline.
>
>
> Wes Wada
> Bend, Oregon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/11/09, Wes Wada  wrote:
>> I have found a source to order single spools of 6# and 8# Gudebrod
>>  C-Thru.  The order should arrive any day now, and I will report on the
>>  product and source.
>>
>>
>>  Wes
>>
>
> >
>



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[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-14 Thread Wes Wada

Hi Mike,

It was snowing hard in Bend today.  We are going to go directly from
winter to the 4th of July.  Aloha.

Henry posted this link about the loop construction.  The info is part
of Dan Blanton's web site.

Get Looped
http://www.danblanton.com/gettinglooped.html


That's actually a nice salutation:

Get Looped,
Wes


P.S.  I am giving myself the challenge to create braided nylon loops
from the 6-pound Gudebrod C-Thru.  Haven't a clue yet what I'd use
them for.



On 4/14/09, Michael Bliss  wrote:
>
>  So Wes are you making loop connectors for your fly lines?  If you are
>  I would be interested in the process.  I have been using the braided
>  leaders for some time and love them but the connections to the fly
>  line are not how I would like them yet.
>
>  Mike
>
>
>  On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Wes Wada  wrote:
>  >
>  > The Gudebrod C-Thru product arrived yesterday, and I have been playing
>  > with the material.  If you took the standard braided nylon material
>  > used for making loops, and scaled it down using smaller diameter nylon
>  > fibers, then you can visualize the product.
>  >
>  > The braided loop material is commonly available in 35-pound and 50-pound 
> test.
>  >
>  > The C-Thru material is 25yd. spools of 17, 8, or 6 pound.  I ordered
>  > the 8 and 6.
>  >
>  > The breaking strength listing is very deceptive, as I haven't been
>  > able to break the 8 pound test with my hands.  It is very sturdy
>  > stuff, tightly braided.
>  >
>  > The 8 pound is .019 diameter, and about 1/16", about the same as many
>  > butt sections of leaders.  Indeed, you could easily have a quick
>  > substitute for a furled leader butt using this stuff.
>  >
>  > The 6 pound test is .015 diameter, about 50% thicker than 1/32".
>  >
>  > I am not sure what types and sizes of dacron are used for blind eye
>  > hooks, but the C-Thru would make a very good alternative.
>  >
>  > The source for the material, available in single spools, is Land of Odds:
>  >
>  > 6-pound C-Thru
>  > http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28074
>  >
>  > 8-pound C-Thru
>  > http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28075
>  >
>  > 17-pound C-Thru
>  > http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28076
>  >
>  >
>  > If anybody has further questions, just contact me offline.
>  >
>  >
>  > Wes Wada
>  > Bend, Oregon
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On 4/11/09, Wes Wada  wrote:
>  >> I have found a source to order single spools of 6# and 8# Gudebrod
>  >>  C-Thru.  The order should arrive any day now, and I will report on the
>  >>  product and source.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  Wes
>  >>
>  >
>  > >
>  >
>
>
> >
>

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[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-14 Thread Michael Bliss

So Wes are you making loop connectors for your fly lines?  If you are
I would be interested in the process.  I have been using the braided
leaders for some time and love them but the connections to the fly
line are not how I would like them yet.

Mike

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Wes Wada  wrote:
>
> The Gudebrod C-Thru product arrived yesterday, and I have been playing
> with the material.  If you took the standard braided nylon material
> used for making loops, and scaled it down using smaller diameter nylon
> fibers, then you can visualize the product.
>
> The braided loop material is commonly available in 35-pound and 50-pound test.
>
> The C-Thru material is 25yd. spools of 17, 8, or 6 pound.  I ordered
> the 8 and 6.
>
> The breaking strength listing is very deceptive, as I haven't been
> able to break the 8 pound test with my hands.  It is very sturdy
> stuff, tightly braided.
>
> The 8 pound is .019 diameter, and about 1/16", about the same as many
> butt sections of leaders.  Indeed, you could easily have a quick
> substitute for a furled leader butt using this stuff.
>
> The 6 pound test is .015 diameter, about 50% thicker than 1/32".
>
> I am not sure what types and sizes of dacron are used for blind eye
> hooks, but the C-Thru would make a very good alternative.
>
> The source for the material, available in single spools, is Land of Odds:
>
> 6-pound C-Thru
> http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28074
>
> 8-pound C-Thru
> http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28075
>
> 17-pound C-Thru
> http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28076
>
>
> If anybody has further questions, just contact me offline.
>
>
> Wes Wada
> Bend, Oregon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/11/09, Wes Wada  wrote:
>> I have found a source to order single spools of 6# and 8# Gudebrod
>>  C-Thru.  The order should arrive any day now, and I will report on the
>>  product and source.
>>
>>
>>  Wes
>>
>
> >
>

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FW: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-14 Thread jim phillips



v
 


From: markflie...@hotmail.com
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com; desert-tr...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:08:24 -0600



For the List Jim.thank you...
 
Wes.if your refering to using Dacron to make "eyes" out of, for blind eye 
hooks.i've only done that once and i used fly line backing. However, as 
a standard proceedureit simply isn't done.by me or anyone who tyes 
on blind eye hooks. i'd say at least 90% of the time, we use silk worm gut in 
strands, soaked, "Twisted," and let to dry so that it stays twisted in a rope 
like fashion. i very often make my own.although my favorite "Brand" 
(that one can buy pre-twisted), is sold by Partridge, and it is GREAT stuff. As 
you may or may not know.i almost always color my eyes...as i don't much 
like the look of plain gutjust way to, "plain," ie: 
BORING...since silk worm gut is pure protein.it takes dye 
extremely well. All you need is a Sharpie. 
i have several sounces for gut, and many different silk worm twisted gut 
products. One that i like especially is the old Spanish gut, and another is the 
old antique stained, Japanese silk worm gut..i use them all for different 
flies.depending on what strikes my fancy according to the hook i'm using, 
and the nature of the flies design. Another thing i've been using lately is old 
antique violin sting material..makes GREAT eyes. i found a violin 
E-String in an antique shop in Leadville, Colorado last year when we were there 
for this http://www.theamericacup.com event. Got it for 50 cents and it has 
afforded me enough material to make bout a half dozen eyes already, with enough 
left over for maybe 2 dozen more..all for 50 cents, YES! It's got a 
GREAT yellowish color to it, and is just the right diameter for use with 
EXTREMELY large hooks. Recently i've been tyin' on hooks that (while i am 
unable to actually measure them), i estimate to be at least 20/0. And this 
stuff is PERFECT for them..makes an eye that just KILLS! And it's 
natural color is so nice, i have rarely had to dye it.btw, if 
anyone is interested in these hooks i just refered to...contact me off 
list. And also, if anyone is as into blind eye hooks as i am, you MUST go to 
Jens Pilgaard's website and check out his newest hooks.(that he 
makes).they're his new, Artistic Blind Eye Hooks...and they 
KILL They're $10 each.i bought 30 of them in England when we 
were there recently and each one is different...WILD designs. You REALLY 
gotta see these hooks. Jens just happens to also be the single BEST source for 
Salmon fly materials on this or ANY OTHER planet, barr NONE! Go here. 
http://www.flytying.dk His inventory is quadruple what "anyone" else 
has.and his prices are VERY fair as compared to many others. Shipping can 
be a bit pricey.so make your order wourff your while. His subs., (for all 
the HIGHLY expensive exotics), are so good, that they beat the material they 
are subbing for in many cases.and he does alll his own 
dying...KILLER colors. Some of the MOST beautiful Seal Fur you'll EVER see 
for instance. Check 'em out.mark.
 
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:48:44 -0700
> Subject: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?
> From: w...@wadaworks.com
> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> The Gudebrod C-Thru product arrived yesterday, and I have been playing
> with the material. If you took the standard braided nylon material
> used for making loops, and scaled it down using smaller diameter nylon
> fibers, then you can visualize the product.
> 
> The braided loop material is commonly available in 35-pound and 50-pound test.
> 
> The C-Thru material is 25yd. spools of 17, 8, or 6 pound. I ordered
> the 8 and 6.
> 
> The breaking strength listing is very deceptive, as I haven't been
> able to break the 8 pound test with my hands. It is very sturdy
> stuff, tightly braided.
> 
> The 8 pound is .019 diameter, and about 1/16", about the same as many
> butt sections of leaders. Indeed, you could easily have a quick
> substitute for a furled leader butt using this stuff.
> 
> The 6 pound test is .015 diameter, about 50% thicker than 1/32".
> 
> I am not sure what types and sizes of dacron are used for blind eye
> hooks, but the C-Thru would make a very good alternative.
> 
> The source for the material, available in single spools, is Land of Odds:
> 
> 6-pound C-Thru
> http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28074
> 
> 8-pound C-Thru
> http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28075
> 
> 17-pound C-Thru
> http://www.landofod

[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-14 Thread Wes Wada

Hi Neville,

I am developing techniques and a series of flies using a shapeable,
moldable foam.  The foam cannot be tied to a hook (the thread cuts
right through it).  Hooks need to be GLUED into the foam.  When done
properly, the setup is very durable.

I have been looking for a product that I could wind around  a hook
that would give the hook shank a "tooth" without a lot of bulk.  The
purpose of the tooth would be to give the foam something to hang onto,
to prevent rotation or slippage around the hook.  Just from the tests
so far using the Gudebrod C-Thru, it works for that purpose!

I am also going to play around with the material for special leader
mini-connectors and such.  Should be interesting to make loops from
8-pound, 1/16" diameter braided nylon.  Like I noted, the breaking
strength is much greater than listed.

Wes


On 4/14/09, Neville Gosling  wrote:
>
>  Wes:
>
>  What are you planning to use this for?
>
>  Neville (Nev) Gosling
>  Greater Vancouver
>  B. C.   Canada
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>  Of Wes Wada
>  Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:49 PM
>  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
>  Subject: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?
>
>
>  The Gudebrod C-Thru product arrived yesterday, and I have been playing with
>  the material.  If you took the standard braided nylon material used for
>  making loops, and scaled it down using smaller diameter nylon fibers, then
>  you can visualize the product.
>
>  The braided loop material is commonly available in 35-pound and 50-pound
>  test.
>
>  The C-Thru material is 25yd. spools of 17, 8, or 6 pound.  I ordered the 8
>  and 6.
>
>  The breaking strength listing is very deceptive, as I haven't been able to
>  break the 8 pound test with my hands.  It is very sturdy stuff, tightly
>  braided.
>
>  The 8 pound is .019 diameter, and about 1/16", about the same as many butt
>  sections of leaders.  Indeed, you could easily have a quick substitute for a
>  furled leader butt using this stuff.
>
>  The 6 pound test is .015 diameter, about 50% thicker than 1/32".
>
>  I am not sure what types and sizes of dacron are used for blind eye hooks,
>  but the C-Thru would make a very good alternative.
>
>  The source for the material, available in single spools, is Land of Odds:
>
>  6-pound C-Thru
>  http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28074
>
>  8-pound C-Thru
>  http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28075
>
>  17-pound C-Thru
>  http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28076
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>  If anybody has further questions, just contact me offline.
>
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>  Wes Wada
>  Bend, Oregon
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>  On 4/11/09, Wes Wada  wrote:
>  > I have found a source to order single spools of 6# and 8# Gudebrod
>  > C-Thru.  The order should arrive any day now, and I will report on the
>  > product and source.
>  >
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>  >  Wes
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[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-14 Thread Neville Gosling

Wes:

What are you planning to use this for?

Neville (Nev) Gosling
Greater Vancouver
B. C.   Canada 
 

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Subject: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?


The Gudebrod C-Thru product arrived yesterday, and I have been playing with
the material.  If you took the standard braided nylon material used for
making loops, and scaled it down using smaller diameter nylon fibers, then
you can visualize the product.

The braided loop material is commonly available in 35-pound and 50-pound
test.

The C-Thru material is 25yd. spools of 17, 8, or 6 pound.  I ordered the 8
and 6.

The breaking strength listing is very deceptive, as I haven't been able to
break the 8 pound test with my hands.  It is very sturdy stuff, tightly
braided.

The 8 pound is .019 diameter, and about 1/16", about the same as many butt
sections of leaders.  Indeed, you could easily have a quick substitute for a
furled leader butt using this stuff.

The 6 pound test is .015 diameter, about 50% thicker than 1/32".

I am not sure what types and sizes of dacron are used for blind eye hooks,
but the C-Thru would make a very good alternative.

The source for the material, available in single spools, is Land of Odds:

6-pound C-Thru
http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28074

8-pound C-Thru
http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28075

17-pound C-Thru
http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28076


If anybody has further questions, just contact me offline.


Wes Wada
Bend, Oregon












On 4/11/09, Wes Wada  wrote:
> I have found a source to order single spools of 6# and 8# Gudebrod  
> C-Thru.  The order should arrive any day now, and I will report on the  
> product and source.
>
>
>  Wes
>



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[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-14 Thread Wes Wada

The Gudebrod C-Thru product arrived yesterday, and I have been playing
with the material.  If you took the standard braided nylon material
used for making loops, and scaled it down using smaller diameter nylon
fibers, then you can visualize the product.

The braided loop material is commonly available in 35-pound and 50-pound test.

The C-Thru material is 25yd. spools of 17, 8, or 6 pound.  I ordered
the 8 and 6.

The breaking strength listing is very deceptive, as I haven't been
able to break the 8 pound test with my hands.  It is very sturdy
stuff, tightly braided.

The 8 pound is .019 diameter, and about 1/16", about the same as many
butt sections of leaders.  Indeed, you could easily have a quick
substitute for a furled leader butt using this stuff.

The 6 pound test is .015 diameter, about 50% thicker than 1/32".

I am not sure what types and sizes of dacron are used for blind eye
hooks, but the C-Thru would make a very good alternative.

The source for the material, available in single spools, is Land of Odds:

6-pound C-Thru
http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28074

8-pound C-Thru
http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28075

17-pound C-Thru
http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Detail?no=28076


If anybody has further questions, just contact me offline.


Wes Wada
Bend, Oregon












On 4/11/09, Wes Wada  wrote:
> I have found a source to order single spools of 6# and 8# Gudebrod
>  C-Thru.  The order should arrive any day now, and I will report on the
>  product and source.
>
>
>  Wes
>

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[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-11 Thread Wes Wada

I have found a source to order single spools of 6# and 8# Gudebrod
C-Thru.  The order should arrive any day now, and I will report on the
product and source.

Wes

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AW: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-06 Thread Thomas Eckert

Description: Gudebrod C-Thru® B Cord is the ideal, translucent, cord for
creating all those wonderfully unique pieces of one-of-a-kind jewelry. This
cord has very little stretch and is very easily knotted, which gives a great
deal of security on all your necklaces, bracelets, earrings and more. This
cord also is very resistant to any rough stones you may be using. Medium 17
lb 25 yd

http://www.createforless.com/Gudebrod+C-Thru+B+Cord+Medium+17+lb+25+yd/pid70
085.aspx?utm_source=become&utm_medium=cse


Thomas R. Eckert
royalcoach...@bluewin.ch
Sonnhaldenstrasse 14
CH 8032 Zürich 7 ZH
Switzerland
Tel.: +41442628367
Mobil: +41796795463
www.royalcoachman.net

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Gesendet: Montag, 6. April 2009 18:33
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Betreff: [VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?


Also, there is a product I am not familiar with, called Gudebrod
C-Thru.  It's a clear, braided nylon cord that comes in 6# and 8# test
sizes (among others).  Go to the createforless.com site and search for
Gudebrod C-Thru.  The catch is it is only available three spools at a
time, and this is the only outlet I have been able to find for the
product.

Wes Wada
Bend, Oregon



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[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-06 Thread Wes Wada

Also, there is a product I am not familiar with, called Gudebrod
C-Thru.  It's a clear, braided nylon cord that comes in 6# and 8# test
sizes (among others).  Go to the createforless.com site and search for
Gudebrod C-Thru.  The catch is it is only available three spools at a
time, and this is the only outlet I have been able to find for the
product.

Wes Wada
Bend, Oregon

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[VFB] Re: Braided nylon loop connector material?

2009-04-04 Thread Wes Wada

Thanks Thomas!

I am seeing the product on several online sites.  Goes down to 15
pound test, also 35 and 50, and in 50yd and 100yd spools.

Wes



On 4/4/09, Thomas Eckert  wrote:
>
>  The name of the product is: "GudeBrod Braided Butt Leader Material"
>
>
>  
>  Thomas R. Eckert
>  royalcoach...@bluewin.ch
>  Sonnhaldenstrasse 14
>  CH 8032 Zürich 7 ZH
>  Switzerland
>  Tel.: +41442628367
>  Mobil: +41796795463
>  www.royalcoachman.net
>  
>  -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>  Von: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] Im Auftrag
>  von Wes Wada
>  Gesendet: Samstag, 4. April 2009 22:34
>  An: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
>  Betreff: [VFB] Braided nylon loop connector material?
>
>
>
>  Hello VFB:
>
>  Does anyone know where to purchase the braided nylon material used to
>  make loop connectors?  I just am looking for the small diameter,
>  braided nylon material itself, in bulk lengths, without the loops.
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Wes Wada
>  Bend, Oregon
>
>
>
>
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