[videoblogging] Re: new guy supplicates to the gods

2005-09-20 Thread Bill Streeter
Okay I think I see the problem. I've had this happen before. For some
reason, unless you put a full url in for your media, the feed doesn't
pick it up as an enclosure. I figured this out because I went from
posting the entire URL to just linking to the sub directory where the
media was located in wordpress and noticed that no aggregater picked
it up. Since that was the only thing that I did differently I figured
that must be the problem, it was. 

Also I noticed that you are embedding each movie in the page itself
rather than linking to it. I wouldn't do that. Because the reader ends
up downloading every video in every post on the front page whether
he/she wants to or not. This could be hundreds of megs and make for a
very long page load, not to mention a hit on your bandwidth. I would
just link to the video and let the reader/viewer choose to download
each video. 

Bill Streeter
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 it's there, near the bottom of the page
 i believe that this is a wordpress issue
 i know that someone asked a similar question recently
 
 
 
 
 Jay dedman wrote:
 
 I've got a couple of videos posted on the attached site. I cannot
 understand why FireAnt or iTunes will not recognize these videos as
 new postings. I simply want family and friends to be able to use
 aggregators to stay in touch. I tried to follow the instructions on
 FreeVlog.org using feedburner. I humbly seek the wisdom and wise
 counsel of the vlogger gurus. Is my feed starving for lack of
 substantial code? I use Wordpress. Thank you in advance for any
 kindnesses you may impart.
 
 ross judice
 http://www.rossjudice.com/water
 
 
 
 
 hey Ross--
 
 i dont see a feed on your site.
 usually you put a feedburner badge on the site...and that lets me
 subcsribe to your feed.
 
 The wordpress gurus can help you out as well.
 i believe WP does the right feed for you
 
 who can help on this?
 http://www.rossjudice.com/water
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Science Vlogging

2005-09-20 Thread Pete Prodoehl
Adam Quirk wrote:
 Hello vloggers,
 
 Kristian has just made the first posts on our new collaborative science 
 vlog, Trans-Oceanic Monitoring. He's in Sweden, I'm in the U.S. hence the 
 trans-oceanic part. 

 Our first project is a study of flint stones found in a stone-age quarry 

I really think you should have focused on Scooby Doo rather than the 
Flintstones, but that's just me...

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Re: [videoblogging] Science Vlogging

2005-09-20 Thread Devlon
This is a wicked idea.  I'll be checking it out.

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[videoblogging] Re: torrents

2005-09-20 Thread ecomputerd
The problem I think has two parts. Both take time for developers to 
determine the individual advantage. Servers will improve (or create) 
support for BitTorrent when their direct downloads exceed their pain 
threshhold. The number of clients that support BitTorrent will 
increase as the number of feeds (that people want) become BitTorrent-
only. Personally, I've only ran into one podcast that switched to 
BitTorrent-only (6-9 months ago). I've been unable to download it 
until about 2 months ago when I could get a BitTorrent client for 
the Pocket PC and use it with FeederReader. In my experience, 
BitTorrent downloads is a little more touchy than direct mp3 
downloads. Maybe I don't have my download settings perfect yet.

For my part, the current version of FeederReader on the POCKET PC 
can download torrents (with a third-party application install). The 
next version of FeederReader will make BitTorrent downloads part of 
the file management built in to FeederReader. You'll be able 
to One Tap play and delete Torrent files the same as non-Torrent 
files.

All on the Pocket PC, no desktop required.

Greg Smith
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 Jay dedman wrote:
 
 in my mind, we will all have a home computer that becomes a 
server.
 we keep it on and connected at all times.
 youll have 100GB of your favorate video seeded on it.
 this is how we create a truly decentaralized video network.
 
 
 
   
 
 that is exactly what is going on with the VlogEurope and Road Node 
101 
 groups
 
 http://apperceive.blogs.com/apperceive/2005/09/vlog_europe_pre.html
 http://apperceive.blogs.com/apperceive/2005/08/a_group_for_roa.html
 
 it's all being served from a desktop computer here in my home 
office
 (or from another group member if you have the SpinXpress software 
 installed - that's faster)
 
 maybe not quite 100GB yet, but Ryanne uploaded 21 raw vids
 same in the Road Node 1o1 group that Jan set up
 she just uploaded a whole bunch of video too
 
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Re: [videoblogging] torrents

2005-09-20 Thread Pete Prodoehl
Jay dedman wrote:
 Im always curious about when torrents will get popular.
 this way no one has to worry about bandwidth.
 its always this full of potential idea.
 
 gary at torrentacracy has come up with this:
 http://www.torrentocracy.com/blog/archives/2005/09/pep_is_deliciou_1.shtml
 it bascially scrapes any feed and puts the items into torrents.
 he becomes the first seeder.
 
 in my mind, we will all have a home computer that becomes a server.
 we keep it on and connected at all times.
 youll have 100GB of your favorate video seeded on it.
 this is how we create a truly decentaralized video network.

Well, even with torrents, you still have to worry about bandwidth. And 
my main home computer is used for work, so I really can't afford to slow 
it down serving our torrents. I do have another server at home that 
could, but it doesn't have the disk space, and I'd worry about it 
bogging down the network.

I'm not against torrents, I'm very much in favor of them, but even I 
(who I consider to be pretty technically astute) am a bit skeptical 
about implementing torrents and the ramifications of doing so. Maybe I 
just need to do more reading...

Is anyone in the videoblogging community experimenting with torrents today?

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Re: [videoblogging] torrents

2005-09-20 Thread Nathanial Freitas

I think BitTorrent holds a lot of promise, as well, but as the name 
implies, its really only useful when many people download the same clip 
at the same time. If any videoblog should benefit from torrents, it 
would be Rocketboom, since it has a regular release schedule and a 
large, loyal following. Maybe Andrew can chime on how their adoption of 
torrents has gone?

The other issue I see with it, is that for BitTorrent to really work, 
and for there to be a large number of seeders instead of just 
leechers, each client needs to have an open port in their firewall, 
which in most situations still requires a manual configuration of a 
firewall or router. Most people using BitTorrent today are early adopter 
geeks, who don't have an issue with this, but your average user is a bit 
more of a challenge. Hopefully methods for automatically configuring 
open firewall ports and/or means for establishing seeder participation 
without an inbound connection, will mature and standardize into the 
BitTorrent protocol and codebase.

Finally, another alternative for those of you that are bandwidth 
challenged, is the Coral Content Distribution Network. I've been 
impressed with the results since we've used it for the Pawtucket Film 
Festival feed. You can think of it as BitTorrent between servers, sort 
of, or as an open-source Akimai. All you need to do is append a new 
domain to yours (http://myvideoblog.com/mycoolvideo1.mov; becomes 
http://myvideoblog.com.nyud.net:8090/mycoolvideo1.mov;), and voila, 
your content will be distributed and cached among the participating 
Coral CDN servers. People requesting your content will be routed to the 
closest, most available node. I like this model because it requires zero 
effort for the end-user. Learn more here: http://coralcdn.org/

+nathan


Pete Prodoehl wrote:

Jay dedman wrote:
  

Im always curious about when torrents will get popular.
this way no one has to worry about bandwidth.
its always this full of potential idea.

gary at torrentacracy has come up with this:
http://www.torrentocracy.com/blog/archives/2005/09/pep_is_deliciou_1.shtml
it bascially scrapes any feed and puts the items into torrents.
he becomes the first seeder.

in my mind, we will all have a home computer that becomes a server.
we keep it on and connected at all times.
youll have 100GB of your favorate video seeded on it.
this is how we create a truly decentaralized video network.



Well, even with torrents, you still have to worry about bandwidth. And 
my main home computer is used for work, so I really can't afford to slow 
it down serving our torrents. I do have another server at home that 
could, but it doesn't have the disk space, and I'd worry about it 
bogging down the network.

I'm not against torrents, I'm very much in favor of them, but even I 
(who I consider to be pretty technically astute) am a bit skeptical 
about implementing torrents and the ramifications of doing so. Maybe I 
just need to do more reading...

Is anyone in the videoblogging community experimenting with torrents today?

Pete

  



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[videoblogging] GP2X

2005-09-20 Thread Pete Prodoehl

Oh if only I had the money... I'd get one of these GP2X things and try 
to make a portable videoblogging consumption device:

   http://www.boingboing.net/2005/09/20/linuxbased_handheld_.html

Anyone want to donate one to me? ;)

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Re: [videoblogging] Setting up a commuinty web site.

2005-09-20 Thread James Helliwell
Adam Quirk wrote:
 n 9/20/05, *James* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
 Hello Im James
 
 
 Hello James.
 
 
 Forum no probelm, just the database to hold the videos and the
 funtionality of people
 uploading the video and for the mob bolg site taking the videos via
 email. like
 vimeo.com http://vimeo.com or moblog.co.uk http://moblog.co.uk
 
 Anyone with any ideas or sugestions? The site has to look top notch. 
 
 
 Rentacoder.com http://Rentacoder.com is the place to go.  Very many 
 great coders in there.
 
 I can recommend a team of coders in Macedonia that use the screen name 
 bubi1979.
 
 Unsolicited advice:  These kind of sites are popping up almost weekly 
 now, trying to become the place to go for the videoblogging community.  
 With so much competition, the site will have to be incredibly unique to 
 be successful.  Even then, it will be hard to pull people away from 
 their current favorite community places.  Not trying to discourage 
 you, just letting you know what's out there so you don't make the 
 mistake so many others are, of making the same thing over and over again.

Thanks for the advice, I make a great web site and take the time to 
build it well.

My partner in this is a channel 4 video producer, so we hope to be able 
to add professional advice and tarket people who would like design and 
editing advice from a pro-video man.

I know it will be a difficult market etc, but we will be very much 
community based and ..well selling pencils is competetive ;). I have a 
few contacts I can advertise/market (off line as well) etc well from.

To be frank there are lots of site im sure but I have only seen a few I 
like the look of. And havnt seen much off line marketing???

Cheers for that
Talk to you later
James



 
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Re: [videoblogging] Setting up a commuinty web site.

2005-09-20 Thread Michael Sullivan



many sites exist, but i haven't seen one that is a *very* successful
active community except for the decentralized ones, which include an
ecology of mailing lists, blogs, web services, software and meet-ups.
even ourmedia has relatively low activity on forums and groups.

james, you should consider a focus on sub-niches that make-up the whole
of videoblogging. Might have more success that way.

Good luck.

sull
On 9/20/05, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



n 9/20/05, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:






Hello Im James
Hello James.

Forum no probelm, just the database to hold the videos and the funtionality of people 
uploading the video and for the mob bolg site taking the videos via email. like 
vimeo.com or moblog.co.uk


Anyone with any ideas or sugestions? The site has to look top notch. 
Rentacoder.com is the place to go. Very many great coders in there. 

I can recommend a team of coders in Macedonia that use the screen name bubi1979.

Unsolicited advice: These kind of sites are popping up almost
weekly now, trying to become the place to go for the videoblogging
community. With so much competition, the site will have to be
incredibly unique to be successful. Even then, it will be hard to
pull people away from their current favorite community places.
Not trying to discourage you, just letting you know what's out there so
you don't make the mistake so many others are, of making the same thing
over and over again.

Ok,
Adam
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transoceanicmonitoring.org




  




  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: GP2X

2005-09-20 Thread ecomputerd
We need more portable videoblog/videocast consumption devices, I agree!

We do have the Pocket PC today. for US$300 you can get a dell x50 with 
BlueTooth and use your cell phone (with data connection) to get 
podcasts directly using FeederReader. Add $100 to get WiFi, and 
another $100 to add a VGA screen.

What really will kick it into high gear is a $200-$300 device with VGA 
and WiFi and Bluetooth and 4GB-8GB of flash storage. We are still a 
little ways from from this. Today, it costs about $500 to get all of 
this (Dell Axim x50v when it's on sale and add a 4G Microdrive). We 
are getting very close to Pocketable devices with enough built-in 
functions to justify their cost to many non-geek users. I think we'll 
get there within a year or two.

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try 
 to make a portable videoblogging consumption device:
 
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/09/20/linuxbased_handheld_.html
 
 Anyone want to donate one to me? ;)
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Setting up a commuinty web site.

2005-09-20 Thread James Helliwell
Michael Sullivan wrote:
 many sites exist, but i haven't seen one that is a *very* successful 
 active community except for the decentralized ones, which include an 
 ecology of mailing lists, blogs, web services, software and meet-ups.
 even ourmedia has relatively low activity on forums and groups.
  
 james, you should consider a focus on sub-niches that make-up the whole 
 of videoblogging.  Might have more success that way.
 
 Good luck.

Probably need it chap ..and some hard work..

 
 sull


Thanks, that is the way we are looking. . professional projectes site 
for amature video documentary makers and we can offer advice and help 
from a channel 4 video prodcuer, perhapes even offering a chance of a 
live broadcast on a 4 digi channel... (have just thought of that havev 
to ask my partner..:) )..That would be a good niche I think..

Will have to look at some niches I am prsonaly interested in..Have a few 
ideas..

Cheers sull
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[videoblogging] Re: NORML $5,000 Video Blogging Contest

2005-09-20 Thread Jack Olmsted
 you guys got a feed that works in FireAnt?
 
 Try feedburner - see freevlog step 6 (i think it's been updated).

I don't understand?
On the sidebar of the NORML Video Blog
There is an RSS link: NORML Video Blog RSS Feed
And a feedburner gif banner (the blog has been listed on feedburner 
for over a week)

Is the XML feedburner bug necessary to work with FireAnt?
How does FireAnt compare with blinkx.tv?
The NORML blog is spidered by blinkx...

-Jack

 
 Jack Olmsted wrote:
 
 On October 3, NORML, The National Organization for the Reform of 
 Marijuana Laws, will be announcing a $5,000 video blogging 
contest. 
 Material for the contest will be posted on several free video 
hosting 
 sites.
 
 On Saturday, I was asked to come up with a list of contest 
categories 
 and how it should be organized and presented to the online 
community. 
 I'm seeking input from the group.
 
 BTW: Did a group member cover the 16th Annual Boston Freedom 
Rally 
 over the weekend?
 
 -Jack
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Re: [videoblogging] torrents

2005-09-20 Thread andrew michael baron

On Sep 20, 2005, at 10:12 AM, Nathanial Freitas wrote:


 I think BitTorrent holds a lot of promise, as well, but as the name
 implies, its really only useful when many people download the same  
 clip
 at the same time. If any videoblog should benefit from torrents, it
 would be Rocketboom, since it has a regular release schedule and a
 large, loyal following. Maybe Andrew can chime on how their  
 adoption of
 torrents has gone?


I'm largely frustrated myself over seeding torrents. I used to do it  
on my home computer, but blogtorrent ate all the sys resources and  
when I crashed or blinked, I had to reseed every last torrent. Painful.

Gary at Prodigem is on it, I think. This new release that was just  
mentioned yesterday could be the answer if I can get it seeded on the  
commercial server and it wont eat resources. Looks like it uses a 3rd  
part app in combination.
http://www.prodigem.com

Basically, it makes the entire process automatic from RSS, perhaps  
the first time Ive seen this attempted even.

Once it is installed, everything is automatic so once you post, you  
seed. No need to do anything.

Thats the end all, I think.

We need to get Fire-ANT to allow seeds to stay on when using torrent  
feeds and that will also make it effective.

True, its still big bandwidth bills if no one seeds because you pay  
for all the u/l, but not more bill.

I have a major bittorrent / rss combo rant, hold the cheese, coming  
very soon (so hard to stay afloat right now). I think as much as its  
expected that you have RSS with enclosure (e.g. Eh, welcome to the  
videoblog group. I didn't notice any RSS with enclosures on your,  
ahem, videoblog), it should be a torrent feed, as the #1 most  
important feed to get everyone on.

The scalable view is this: The larger the audience, the smaller the  
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Re: [videoblogging] torrents

2005-09-20 Thread Pete Prodoehl
Nathanial Freitas wrote:
 I think BitTorrent holds a lot of promise, as well, but as the name 
 implies, its really only useful when many people download the same clip 
 at the same time. If any videoblog should benefit from torrents, it 
 would be Rocketboom, since it has a regular release schedule and a 
 large, loyal following. Maybe Andrew can chime on how their adoption of 
 torrents has gone?
 
 The other issue I see with it, is that for BitTorrent to really work, 
 and for there to be a large number of seeders instead of just 
 leechers, each client needs to have an open port in their firewall, 
 which in most situations still requires a manual configuration of a 
 firewall or router. Most people using BitTorrent today are early adopter 
 geeks, who don't have an issue with this, but your average user is a bit 
 more of a challenge. Hopefully methods for automatically configuring 
 open firewall ports and/or means for establishing seeder participation 
 without an inbound connection, will mature and standardize into the 
 BitTorrent protocol and codebase.

Here's an idea... If you had something like Rocketboom to distribute 
(meaning large audience, regular schedule) you could release the 
torrents say X number of hours earlier that a straight file download. 
People who are techie enough to set up BitTorrent clients could then 
schedule them to download at release time and be rewarded by getting the 
content first. Those unable to use BitTorrent would still get it, just 
sightly later, and if they wanted it sooner, they could go through the 
trouble of figuring out BitTorrent...

Just a thought...

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Re: [videoblogging] torrents

2005-09-20 Thread Joshua Kinberg
I think Coral is a cool idea, but I am not sure I've seen any metrics
proving the fact that it actually does help distribute the bandwidth
load.

Can you point to any statistics?

-Josh


On 9/20/05, Nathanial Freitas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think BitTorrent holds a lot of promise, as well, but as the name
 implies, its really only useful when many people download the same clip
 at the same time. If any videoblog should benefit from torrents, it
 would be Rocketboom, since it has a regular release schedule and a
 large, loyal following. Maybe Andrew can chime on how their adoption of
 torrents has gone?

 The other issue I see with it, is that for BitTorrent to really work,
 and for there to be a large number of seeders instead of just
 leechers, each client needs to have an open port in their firewall,
 which in most situations still requires a manual configuration of a
 firewall or router. Most people using BitTorrent today are early adopter
 geeks, who don't have an issue with this, but your average user is a bit
 more of a challenge. Hopefully methods for automatically configuring
 open firewall ports and/or means for establishing seeder participation
 without an inbound connection, will mature and standardize into the
 BitTorrent protocol and codebase.

 Finally, another alternative for those of you that are bandwidth
 challenged, is the Coral Content Distribution Network. I've been
 impressed with the results since we've used it for the Pawtucket Film
 Festival feed. You can think of it as BitTorrent between servers, sort
 of, or as an open-source Akimai. All you need to do is append a new
 domain to yours (http://myvideoblog.com/mycoolvideo1.mov; becomes
 http://myvideoblog.com.nyud.net:8090/mycoolvideo1.mov;), and voila,
 your content will be distributed and cached among the participating
 Coral CDN servers. People requesting your content will be routed to the
 closest, most available node. I like this model because it requires zero
 effort for the end-user. Learn more here: http://coralcdn.org/

 +nathan


 Pete Prodoehl wrote:

 Jay dedman wrote:
 
 
 Im always curious about when torrents will get popular.
 this way no one has to worry about bandwidth.
 its always this full of potential idea.
 
 gary at torrentacracy has come up with this:
 http://www.torrentocracy.com/blog/archives/2005/09/pep_is_deliciou_1.shtml
 it bascially scrapes any feed and puts the items into torrents.
 he becomes the first seeder.
 
 in my mind, we will all have a home computer that becomes a server.
 we keep it on and connected at all times.
 youll have 100GB of your favorate video seeded on it.
 this is how we create a truly decentaralized video network.
 
 
 
 Well, even with torrents, you still have to worry about bandwidth. And
 my main home computer is used for work, so I really can't afford to slow
 it down serving our torrents. I do have another server at home that
 could, but it doesn't have the disk space, and I'd worry about it
 bogging down the network.
 
 I'm not against torrents, I'm very much in favor of them, but even I
 (who I consider to be pretty technically astute) am a bit skeptical
 about implementing torrents and the ramifications of doing so. Maybe I
 just need to do more reading...
 
 Is anyone in the videoblogging community experimenting with torrents today?
 
 Pete
 
 
 


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Re: [videoblogging] torrents

2005-09-20 Thread andrew michael baron

On Sep 20, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Pete Prodoehl wrote:

 Nathanial Freitas wrote:

 I think BitTorrent holds a lot of promise, as well, but as the name
 implies, its really only useful when many people download the same  
 clip
 at the same time. If any videoblog should benefit from torrents, it
 would be Rocketboom, since it has a regular release schedule and a
 large, loyal following. Maybe Andrew can chime on how their  
 adoption of
 torrents has gone?

 The other issue I see with it, is that for BitTorrent to really work,
 and for there to be a large number of seeders instead of just
 leechers, each client needs to have an open port in their firewall,
 which in most situations still requires a manual configuration of a
 firewall or router. Most people using BitTorrent today are early  
 adopter
 geeks, who don't have an issue with this, but your average user is  
 a bit
 more of a challenge. Hopefully methods for automatically configuring
 open firewall ports and/or means for establishing seeder  
 participation
 without an inbound connection, will mature and standardize into the
 BitTorrent protocol and codebase.


 Here's an idea... If you had something like Rocketboom to distribute
 (meaning large audience, regular schedule) you could release the
 torrents say X number of hours earlier that a straight file download.
 People who are techie enough to set up BitTorrent clients could then
 schedule them to download at release time and be rewarded by  
 getting the
 content first. Those unable to use BitTorrent would still get it, just
 sightly later, and if they wanted it sooner, they could go through the
 trouble of figuring out BitTorrent...

 Just a thought...

This is actually exactly how we are building the subscription model.  
People who use torrents will also get a 640x480, 2megabit file.  
Others will be encouraged to use torrents to get content earlier at  
reg. free size.

The only thing that is really holding us back now is that app. Azurus  
is the closest I can find to do the trick.

Its so ideal for us because we have a consistent release time that we  
can maintain, everyday.


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Re: [videoblogging] torrents

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Re: [videoblogging] torrents

2005-09-20 Thread nathan.freitas

Anyone remember the old days of BBS file trading where you had to upload 
in order to download? There was a proper ratio to maintain that required 
participation.

Maybe this could be used in as some sort of barter system that allowed 
prioritized access to content if you are willing to participate in the 
seeding of that content. The more positive your seed ratio, the more 
credits you have for premium content access or special lunch dates with 
Andrew and Amanda, or personal video compression help from Verdi! ;)

+nathan

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 1:04 pm, andrew michael baron wrote:

 On Sep 20, 2005, at 10:12 AM, Nathanial Freitas wrote:


  I think BitTorrent holds a lot of promise, as well, but as the name
  implies, its really only useful when many people download the same
  clip
  at the same time. If any videoblog should benefit from torrents, it
  would be Rocketboom, since it has a regular release schedule and a
  large, loyal following. Maybe Andrew can chime on how their
  adoption of
  torrents has gone?


 I'm largely frustrated myself over seeding torrents. I used to do it
 on my home computer, but blogtorrent ate all the sys resources and
 when I crashed or blinked, I had to reseed every last torrent. Painful.

 Gary at Prodigem is on it, I think. This new release that was just
 mentioned yesterday could be the answer if I can get it seeded on the
 commercial server and it wont eat resources. Looks like it uses a 3rd
 part app in combination.
 http://www.prodigem.com

 Basically, it makes the entire process automatic from RSS, perhaps
 the first time Ive seen this attempted even.

 Once it is installed, everything is automatic so once you post, you
 seed. No need to do anything.

 Thats the end all, I think.

 We need to get Fire-ANT to allow seeds to stay on when using torrent
 feeds and that will also make it effective.

 True, its still big bandwidth bills if no one seeds because you pay
 for all the u/l, but not more bill.

 I have a major bittorrent / rss combo rant, hold the cheese, coming
 very soon (so hard to stay afloat right now). I think as much as its
 expected that you have RSS with enclosure (e.g. Eh, welcome to the
 videoblog group. I didn't notice any RSS with enclosures on your,
 ahem, videoblog), it should be a torrent feed, as the #1 most
 important feed to get everyone on.

 The scalable view is this: The larger the audience, the smaller the
 cost. My new way of describing this long-term revenue model is like
 fusion; Instead of having your one big cost grow with you, it shrinks
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[videoblogging] Re: Science Vlogging

2005-09-20 Thread Kristian Nilsson
Well, let's see how it develops. We are experimenting with the idea of
citizen researcher.

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Re: [videoblogging] Internet Archive Upload Broken?

2005-09-20 Thread Jay dedman
maybe their should be an alerts @ ourmedia.org account that goes to a 
 group of people who can react.

good idea.
we just need to get organized.
the main energy is bneing spent getting rid of the problem.
its a simple problem of money.
but OM is now an officially 501c3...so they can now except money.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: NORML $5,000 Video Blogging Contest

2005-09-20 Thread Markus Sandy
Jack Olmsted wrote:

I don't understand?
On the sidebar of the NORML Video Blog
There is an RSS link: NORML Video Blog RSS Feed
And a feedburner gif banner (the blog has been listed on feedburner 
for over a week)

Is the XML feedburner bug necessary to work with FireAnt?
How does FireAnt compare with blinkx.tv?
The NORML blog is spidered by blinkx...

  


when i copy your feed url to the new fireant, i get error downloading 
and parsing feed

if your readership is at all like mine (i have no idea if it is), then 
about 40% are fireant users who would also have this problem

the NORML Video Blog RSS feed is in fact a blogger feed which may be 
the problem

your feedburner url is not listed anywhere that I can see (the 
feedburner banner is not a link to your feed, it's just an ad), using 
the feedburner url instead of the  blogger feed would probably solve the 
problem

what is you feedburner url?  it does not appear to be named norml or normltv

I have not used blinkx so I can't comment on that.


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[videoblogging] im back

2005-09-20 Thread naschmult
So I'm back from my vacation.. So I don't have to read millions of e
mails... and posts.. like Josh leo had to do.. 

Can someone tell me what has been going on ??

To see how my vacation was and etc.. Check out my vlog sometime this week.

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[videoblogging] chicago apple store

2005-09-20 Thread naschmult
is the chicago apple store still going down?

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Re: [videoblogging] torrents

2005-09-20 Thread nathan.freitas

Anyone remember the old days of BBS file trading where you had to upload 
in order to download? There was a proper ratio to maintain that required 
participation.

Maybe this could be used in as some sort of barter system that allowed 
prioritized access to content if you are willing to participate in the 
seeding of that content. The more positive your seed ratio, the more 
credits you have for premium content access or special lunch dates with 
Andrew and Amanda, or personal video compression help from Verdi! ;)

+nathan

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 1:04 pm, andrew michael baron wrote:

 On Sep 20, 2005, at 10:12 AM, Nathanial Freitas wrote:


  I think BitTorrent holds a lot of promise, as well, but as the name
  implies, its really only useful when many people download the same
  clip
  at the same time. If any videoblog should benefit from torrents, it
  would be Rocketboom, since it has a regular release schedule and a
  large, loyal following. Maybe Andrew can chime on how their
  adoption of
  torrents has gone?


 I'm largely frustrated myself over seeding torrents. I used to do it
 on my home computer, but blogtorrent ate all the sys resources and
 when I crashed or blinked, I had to reseed every last torrent. Painful.

 Gary at Prodigem is on it, I think. This new release that was just
 mentioned yesterday could be the answer if I can get it seeded on the
 commercial server and it wont eat resources. Looks like it uses a 3rd
 part app in combination.
 http://www.prodigem.com

 Basically, it makes the entire process automatic from RSS, perhaps
 the first time Ive seen this attempted even.

 Once it is installed, everything is automatic so once you post, you
 seed. No need to do anything.

 Thats the end all, I think.

 We need to get Fire-ANT to allow seeds to stay on when using torrent
 feeds and that will also make it effective.

 True, its still big bandwidth bills if no one seeds because you pay
 for all the u/l, but not more bill.

 I have a major bittorrent / rss combo rant, hold the cheese, coming
 very soon (so hard to stay afloat right now). I think as much as its
 expected that you have RSS with enclosure (e.g. Eh, welcome to the
 videoblog group. I didn't notice any RSS with enclosures on your,
 ahem, videoblog), it should be a torrent feed, as the #1 most
 important feed to get everyone on.

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 fusion; Instead of having your one big cost grow with you, it shrinks
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[videoblogging] Re: NORML $5,000 Video Blogging Contest

2005-09-20 Thread Jack Olmsted
Markus,

Thanks for the feedback.

As per your comments, I just added a clicklet farm on the NORML 
Video Blog sidebar. Now, people can subcribe to the feed on a 
variety of RSS reader sites.

BTW: I guessed at the code for MSN. Do you know what works?

Thanks again...

-Jack
http://view-point.blogspot.com
http://normltv.blogspot.com


 when i copy your feed url to the new fireant, i get error 
downloading 
 and parsing feed
 
 if your readership is at all like mine (i have no idea if it is), 
then 
 about 40% are fireant users who would also have this problem
 
 the NORML Video Blog RSS feed is in fact a blogger feed which 
may be 
 the problem
 
 your feedburner url is not listed anywhere that I can see (the 
 feedburner banner is not a link to your feed, it's just an ad), 
using 
 the feedburner url instead of the  blogger feed would probably 
solve the 
 problem
 
 what is you feedburner url?  it does not appear to be named norml 
or normltv
 
 I have not used blinkx so I can't comment on that.
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] chicago apple store

2005-09-20 Thread Bohus Blahut
naschmult wrote:

is the chicago apple store still going down?
  

Interesting.  I hadn't heard that there was going to be an event 
here in Chicago.  Even though I don't have a Mac, I'd consider going 
just to say hi to some folks.  Any details?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: NORML $5,000 Video Blogging Contest

2005-09-20 Thread Pete Prodoehl
Markus Sandy wrote:
 Jack Olmsted wrote:
 
 
I don't understand?
On the sidebar of the NORML Video Blog
There is an RSS link: NORML Video Blog RSS Feed
And a feedburner gif banner (the blog has been listed on feedburner 
for over a week)

Is the XML feedburner bug necessary to work with FireAnt?
How does FireAnt compare with blinkx.tv?
The NORML blog is spidered by blinkx...

 
 
 when i copy your feed url to the new fireant, i get error downloading 
 and parsing feed


This feed:

URL:http://feeds.feedburner.com/NormlVideoBlog

is invalid:

URL:http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feedburner.com%2FNormlVideoBlog

There also appears to be no enclosures in the feed...

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Re: [videoblogging] torrents

2005-09-20 Thread Nathanial Freitas

There are some metrics in this presentation: 
http://coralcdn.org/docs/coral-nsdi04-slides.pdf

We used Coral on our http://openvision.tv/pff site, and it seems a 
variety of nodes did access us to cache content, and that we also 
received messages at certain times that we had gone over a node limit.

Regardless, we know that commercial systems such as Akamai do work, and 
what Coral and others are trying to do is build an open, affordable/free 
public utility that does the same thing. The hype to reality ratio seems 
no worse than with BitTorrent, to me.

+Nathan


Joshua Kinberg wrote:

I think Coral is a cool idea, but I am not sure I've seen any metrics
proving the fact that it actually does help distribute the bandwidth
load.

Can you point to any statistics?

-Josh


On 9/20/05, Nathanial Freitas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

I think BitTorrent holds a lot of promise, as well, but as the name
implies, its really only useful when many people download the same clip
at the same time. If any videoblog should benefit from torrents, it
would be Rocketboom, since it has a regular release schedule and a
large, loyal following. Maybe Andrew can chime on how their adoption of
torrents has gone?

The other issue I see with it, is that for BitTorrent to really work,
and for there to be a large number of seeders instead of just
leechers, each client needs to have an open port in their firewall,
which in most situations still requires a manual configuration of a
firewall or router. Most people using BitTorrent today are early adopter
geeks, who don't have an issue with this, but your average user is a bit
more of a challenge. Hopefully methods for automatically configuring
open firewall ports and/or means for establishing seeder participation
without an inbound connection, will mature and standardize into the
BitTorrent protocol and codebase.

Finally, another alternative for those of you that are bandwidth
challenged, is the Coral Content Distribution Network. I've been
impressed with the results since we've used it for the Pawtucket Film
Festival feed. You can think of it as BitTorrent between servers, sort
of, or as an open-source Akimai. All you need to do is append a new
domain to yours (http://myvideoblog.com/mycoolvideo1.mov; becomes
http://myvideoblog.com.nyud.net:8090/mycoolvideo1.mov;), and voila,
your content will be distributed and cached among the participating
Coral CDN servers. People requesting your content will be routed to the
closest, most available node. I like this model because it requires zero
effort for the end-user. Learn more here: http://coralcdn.org/

+nathan


Pete Prodoehl wrote:



Jay dedman wrote:


  

Im always curious about when torrents will get popular.
this way no one has to worry about bandwidth.
its always this full of potential idea.

gary at torrentacracy has come up with this:
http://www.torrentocracy.com/blog/archives/2005/09/pep_is_deliciou_1.shtml
it bascially scrapes any feed and puts the items into torrents.
he becomes the first seeder.

in my mind, we will all have a home computer that becomes a server.
we keep it on and connected at all times.
youll have 100GB of your favorate video seeded on it.
this is how we create a truly decentaralized video network.




Well, even with torrents, you still have to worry about bandwidth. And
my main home computer is used for work, so I really can't afford to slow
it down serving our torrents. I do have another server at home that
could, but it doesn't have the disk space, and I'd worry about it
bogging down the network.

I'm not against torrents, I'm very much in favor of them, but even I
(who I consider to be pretty technically astute) am a bit skeptical
about implementing torrents and the ramifications of doing so. Maybe I
just need to do more reading...

Is anyone in the videoblogging community experimenting with torrents today?

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[videoblogging] Re: NORML $5,000 Video Blogging Contest

2005-09-20 Thread Jack Olmsted
Pete,

 This feed:
 
 URL:http://feeds.feedburner.com/NormlVideoBlog
 
 is invalid:
 
 URL:http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%
2Ffeeds.feedburner.com%2FNormlVideoBlog
 
 There also appears to be no enclosures in the feed...


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url:http://feeds.feedburner.com/NormlVideoBlog

and it worked for meno prob

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: NORML $5,000 Video Blogging Contest

2005-09-20 Thread James Helliwell
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Re: [videoblogging] torrents

2005-09-20 Thread Nathanial Freitas
Michael Sullivan wrote:

 What do you think about dijjer.org http://dijjer.org?
 Its like a fusion of Coral and BitTorrent.

Seems interesting, a bit like OMN.org/Kontiki Grid, as well. Seems like 
they have also solved the firewall configuration issue.

However, I like the idea of Coral because there is no client piece, no 
desktop configuration. Desktop users get a bit paranoid when unknown 
packets start flowing in and out of their systems, especially with all 
these new-fangled Windows software firewalls. You may not squeeze all 
the potential capacity of adding end-users into the mix, but you also 
reduce the chance there will be a problem downloading your content.

In all, a way to make this happen easily seems like the next big thing 
in terms of video distribution services, the question is whether it will 
be a new BitTorrent style open protocol, an open service such as 
Prodigem, or a commercial venture like Brightcove or OMN/Kontiki who 
will solve it in such a way that it just works like magic.

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Re: [videoblogging] im back

2005-09-20 Thread Adam Quirk



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Can someone tell me what has been going on ??
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[videoblogging] Re: torrents

2005-09-20 Thread Steve Watkins
I agree with Nathan.

p2p technology is pretty certain to feature in the future, in all
sorts of different software and services, but that doesnt necessarily
mean bittorrent will.

In an era where, to generalise, videoblogging is still searching for
viewers, to connect with a larger mass of humans, the last thing it
needs is another barrier.

People are mostly getting videoblogs via web browser, or via
Aggregator software like fireant and itunes. Its crucial that all the
popualr tools support bittorrent, and fully, they must enable proper
sharing and full seeding from users, but they must also make users
fully aware of what this technology means.

Possibly that will be enough, even if for easy and accessible viewing
you still have to use a normal webserver for users watching your
content via a browser. I do prefer technologies that can be more
invisible though, such as the Coral network that Nathan mentioned.
Users having to download extra software and even run extra
applications is not going to help bittorrent to work for the masses. 

It remains to be determined what stance ISPs around the globe will
take. Upload rate on home connections usually lower than download
rate, and here in the UK they dont build their business or network
model on most people uploading for long long periods of time.

Apart from possible exceptions like Rocketboom, I think that
videoblogging overall has not quite reached the right scale to benefit
from bittorrent. At such an easrly stage of relationship vith viewers,
and considering highish percentage of viewers that may also be
videobloggers themselves, Id consider a more limited starting point
for sharing the distribution load might be appropriate right now.

For example the videobloggers themselves could be the initial seeders.
Before asking all viewers to join you in redistributing content, lean
on other publishers. The url fiasco showed us that archive.org has
multiple physical servers hosting content behind one address. Nothing
to stop loads of us joining together and pooling resources in the same
way. Try to use a more invisible mechanism than torrents. Plenty of
downsides to this idea, just thinking out loud.

I remember the BBS download/upload ratio days, loved it but always,
whatever the system, I see only a minority who really care to share
the load. Becomes much more popular if there is no alternative though.

Because all this stuff is a pain in the bum, other helpful
alternatives like archive.org will probably slow the progress of p2p
stuff, they are an easier option. Necessity is the mother of invention.

Also in practise we dont know how many videoblogs there will be whose
sucess with viewing numbers dont end up translating to sucess with
sustainability. eg with popularity comes quite a number of possible
new methods for getting cash to fund more traditional hosting methods.
Generous benefactors who want to support your work, sponsorship, that
sort of thing. 

Steve of Elbows
 
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Nathanial Freitas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 
 I think BitTorrent holds a lot of promise, as well, but as the name 
 implies, its really only useful when many people download the same clip 
 at the same time. If any videoblog should benefit from torrents, it 
 would be Rocketboom, since it has a regular release schedule and a 
 large, loyal following. Maybe Andrew can chime on how their adoption of 
 torrents has gone?
 
 The other issue I see with it, is that for BitTorrent to really work, 
 and for there to be a large number of seeders instead of just 
 leechers, each client needs to have an open port in their firewall, 
 which in most situations still requires a manual configuration of a 
 firewall or router. Most people using BitTorrent today are early
adopter 
 geeks, who don't have an issue with this, but your average user is a
bit 
 more of a challenge. Hopefully methods for automatically configuring 
 open firewall ports and/or means for establishing seeder
participation 
 without an inbound connection, will mature and standardize into the 
 BitTorrent protocol and codebase.
 
 Finally, another alternative for those of you that are bandwidth 
 challenged, is the Coral Content Distribution Network. I've been 
 impressed with the results since we've used it for the Pawtucket Film 
 Festival feed. You can think of it as BitTorrent between servers, sort 
 of, or as an open-source Akimai. All you need to do is append a new 
 domain to yours (http://myvideoblog.com/mycoolvideo1.mov; becomes 
 http://myvideoblog.com.nyud.net:8090/mycoolvideo1.mov;), and voila, 
 your content will be distributed and cached among the participating 
 Coral CDN servers. People requesting your content will be routed to the 
 closest, most available node. I like this model because it requires
zero 
 effort for the end-user. Learn more here: http://coralcdn.org/
 
 +nathan
 
 
 Pete Prodoehl wrote:
 
 Jay dedman wrote:
   
 
 Im always curious about when torrents will get 

Re: [videoblogging] torrents

2005-09-20 Thread Joshua Kinberg
Another of these things to add to the mix:
 http://swarmcast.net/ 

I've talked with these guys. Seems somewhere between Coral and Dijjer.
As a content publisher, you can append a simple extension to your URL
(like Coral).
There is also a plugin that can be downloaded and installed (like
Dijjer) to give users P2P capability to contribute to bandwidth load
of files served via Swarmcast... or at least that's what I gather from
a quick read. Its also free.

So, these things are on the horizon. Remains to be seen which way
adoption will break. My personal opinion is that adoption won't spread
unless the technology is directly built into the web browser so I
don't have to d/l and install a plugin.

-josh


On 9/20/05, Nathanial Freitas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Michael Sullivan wrote:

  What do you think about dijjer.org http://dijjer.org?
  Its like a fusion of Coral and BitTorrent.

 Seems interesting, a bit like OMN.org/Kontiki Grid, as well. Seems like
 they have also solved the firewall configuration issue.

 However, I like the idea of Coral because there is no client piece, no
 desktop configuration. Desktop users get a bit paranoid when unknown
 packets start flowing in and out of their systems, especially with all
 these new-fangled Windows software firewalls. You may not squeeze all
 the potential capacity of adding end-users into the mix, but you also
 reduce the chance there will be a problem downloading your content.

 In all, a way to make this happen easily seems like the next big thing
 in terms of video distribution services, the question is whether it will
 be a new BitTorrent style open protocol, an open service such as
 Prodigem, or a commercial venture like Brightcove or OMN/Kontiki who
 will solve it in such a way that it just works like magic.

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[videoblogging] Re: NORML $5,000 Video Blogging Contest

2005-09-20 Thread Jack Olmsted
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Re: [videoblogging] chicago apple store

2005-09-20 Thread Richard



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Re: [videoblogging] im back

2005-09-20 Thread Pete Prodoehl
Adam Quirk wrote:
 On 9/20/05, naschmult [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 So I'm back from my vacation.. So I don't have to read millions of e
mails... and posts.. like Josh leo had to do.. 

Can someone tell me what has been going on ??

 
 Jesus and Buddha came back (married) and pronounce George Bush King of 
 Earth, the singularity occured and 100's of 1000's of people are now 
 hardwired directly into their computers, evolution has been disproven by 
 Christian scientists, Dr. Pepper now tastes slightly better, the Mets won 
 the Superbowl, and China has been taken over by robotic mice from space.
 
 It's all on wearethemedia.com http://wearethemedia.com

This is not completely true! Spatulacasting and Whisking took over the 
vlogosphere by storm, and every decided to speedvlog it. Then we all 
argued about open-source insects bursting into flames, and observed 
Talk Like a Pilot Day by requesting a runway to land our jets on...

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Re: [videoblogging] im back

2005-09-20 Thread Richard



Don't forget also that Adam Quirk took over Bush's old job as president
of the U.S. (which is now a state), but was impeached relatively
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So I'm back from my vacation.. So I don't have to read millions of e
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Can someone tell me what has been going on ??
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hardwired directly into their computers, evolution has been disproven
by Christian scientists, Dr. Pepper now tastes slightly better, the
Mets won the Superbowl, and China has been taken over by robotic mice
from space.

It's all on wearethemedia.com

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: NORML $5,000 Video Blogging Contest

2005-09-20 Thread Markus Sandy
Jack Olmsted wrote:

Markus,

Thanks for the feedback.

As per your comments, I just added a clicklet farm on the NORML 
Video Blog sidebar. Now, people can subcribe to the feed on a 
variety of RSS reader sites.

  

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[videoblogging] Re: chicago apple store

2005-09-20 Thread Bill Streeter
I was wondering about these things, what do these events entail? Is 
it a formal arrangement with the Apple store? Or is it just a 
informal meet up? I don't live in  a city that has had one of these 
events so I've never attended one, but I wouldn't mind trying to put 
one together here at one of our Apple stores if that is something I 
could do.

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Re: [videoblogging] im back

2005-09-20 Thread R. Kristiansen



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Re: [videoblogging] im back

2005-09-20 Thread Beth Agnew
Absolutely nothing happened. We all sat quietly with our hands folded, 
waiting for you to come back. You didn't miss a thing.

naschmult wrote:

 Can someone tell me what has been going on ??

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[videoblogging] Re: chicago apple store

2005-09-20 Thread Kevin
I'm going to try to put all the information about the Chicago Apple store event 
and any 
other Chicago related things in one place. So, as soon as I hear something, I 
will post it at 
this page. 

http://www.lgt2.com/limeblogbeta/chicagovideobloggers/

Just trying to keep things organized for myself and anyone else that is 
interested!

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 is the chicago apple store still going down?
   
 
 Interesting.  I hadn't heard that there was going to be an event 
 here in Chicago.  Even though I don't have a Mac, I'd consider going 
 just to say hi to some folks.  Any details?
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: NORML $5,000 Video Blogging Contest

2005-09-20 Thread Kunga
This feed is not working with the iTunes client. A manual  
subscription attempt yields nothing on the Podcast page. You need to  
go back into feedburner to make it iTunes compatible. There is an  
iTunes compatibility section in feedburner you can tweak to make it  
work with iTunes, even if it is only manually added - which is what I  
tried to do.

It goes into NetNewsWire Lite just fine. But you have it set to not  
display the complete posts so we can't see the video jpgs and link to  
the video from NetNewsWire either. If you go back into feedburner and  
and change your settings to allow complete display of posts then  
readers won't have to go to the site to see the videos - unless that  
is your intention in which case you will lose a lot of viewers. I  
know this because I went through the same learning curve for  
FutureMedia's feed.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: chicago apple store

2005-09-20 Thread Josh Leo



It is going to happen...they are really eager to host us, and I am planning on attending and presenting...On 9/20/05, Kevin 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: torrents

2005-09-20 Thread Michael Sullivan



On 9/20/05, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Users having to download extra software and even run extra
applications is not going to help bittorrent to work for the masses.it's true, unless that app gets good reputation and proves tilt heavily in benefit verses lack of.
but its still true... and lately, i have been agreeing more than ever
that client-side apps, many of them at least, could be unnecessary and
maybe should be in most cases.
so, this could be applied to aggregators and players as well.
Once the next-generation of web browsers integrates all the functions
that you now commonly get in seperate apps you have installed, then it
will be quite apparent how web-based things are and the browser
software will take care of the rest. 
If I were developing a client side app, i would be working my ass of
making it a plugin to firefox, Flock, IE and all the rest of the web
browsers. The specialized app may be nearing an end. or not ;-)

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: torrents

2005-09-20 Thread Michael Sullivan



ibiblio.org has built Osprey:
http://osprey.ibiblio.org/

ie. any media uploaded to videobloggers.org (an ibiblio site) can get
torrents created and seeded on the server side, automatically. 
however, i have not yet built a UI nor a custom torrent tracker but the functionality is their. 

I do like Gary's prodigem API... might look into working with that at some point.
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Re: [videoblogging] im back

2005-09-20 Thread Adam Quirk



On 9/20/05, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




This is not completely true! Spatulacasting and Whisking took over the 
vlogosphere by storm, and every decided to speedvlog it. 
Speaking of...let's collect links to those posts somewhere. Where
is a good place where we can collect links to different memes? I
guess tagging at Mefeedia? 

Here are three that I know of:

http://tinkernet.org/2005/09/16/spatulacasting/
http://www.bullemhead.com/FiveFour/the_whisking.html
http://www.etherworks.ca/2005_09_01_blogarchive.html

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: NORML $5,000 Video Blogging Contest

2005-09-20 Thread Pete Prodoehl
Jack Olmsted wrote:
 
This feed:

URL:http://feeds.feedburner.com/NormlVideoBlog

is invalid:

URL:http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feedburner.com%2FNormlVideoBlog
 
There also appears to be no enclosures in the feed...
 
 
 
 Hmmm. I just click on
 
 url:http://feeds.feedburner.com/NormlVideoBlog
 
 and it worked for meno prob
 
 -Jack

It may work for you in that it does indeed load in your browser, but 
the feed is invalid, which means it's wrong, which means you can't 
guarantee it will work anywhere...

Go here:

   http://feedvalidator.org/

and try to validate this url:

   http://feeds.feedburner.com/NormlVideoBlog

You will see that it does not validate. It has errors.

Also, if you look at the feed itself, you will see it has no enclosure 
elements (just look for the text enclosure and you will not find it.)

Without these enclosures an aggregator will be able to find any videos.


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Re: [videoblogging] im back

2005-09-20 Thread Brett Gaylor


 Here are three that I know of:  http://tinkernet.org/2005/09/16/spatulacasting/ http://www.bullemhead.com/FiveFour/the_whisking.html http://www.etherworks.ca/2005_09_01_blogarchive.html  Any others?http://jchemed.chem.wisc.edu/JCESoft/CCA/CCA0/MOVIES/SPATULA1_2.htmlAlso hits upon the science vlog meme that Nick may have missed.What a spatulafull.  Note the control from delivery with a spatula.  Begin the remix.  b - Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.etherworks.ca  

  




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] im back

2005-09-20 Thread Pete Prodoehl

 Here are three that I know of:

 http://tinkernet.org/2005/09/16/spatulacasting/
 http://www.bullemhead.com/FiveFour/the_whisking.html
 http://www.etherworks.ca/2005_09_01_blogarchive.html

 Any others?

A spatula makes an appearance masquerading as a sword here:

   http://www.makevideo.org.uk/2005/09/19/74/

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[videoblogging] Re: NORML $5,000 Video Blogging Contest

2005-09-20 Thread Jack Olmsted
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Jack Olmsted wrote:
  
 This feed:
 
 URL:http://feeds.feedburner.com/NormlVideoBlog
 
 is invalid:
 
 URL:http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%
2Ffeeds.feedburner.com%2FNormlVideoBlog
  
 There also appears to be no enclosures in the feed...
  
  
  
  Hmmm. I just click on
  
  url:http://feeds.feedburner.com/NormlVideoBlog
  
  and it worked for meno prob
  
  -Jack
 
 It may work for you in that it does indeed load in your browser, 
but 
 the feed is invalid, which means it's wrong, which means you can't 
 guarantee it will work anywhere...
 
 Go here:
 
http://feedvalidator.org/
 
 and try to validate this url:
 

 
 You will see that it does not validate. It has errors.
 
 Also, if you look at the feed itself, you will see it has 
no enclosure 
 elements (just look for the text enclosure and you will not 
find it.)
 
 Without these enclosures an aggregator will be able to find any 
videos.

OK. I see that 

http://feeds.feedburner.com/NormlVideoBlog

does not validate with 

http://feedvalidator.org/

and the blogger RSS feed does not validate either

http://normltv.blogspot.com/rss/normltv.xml 

What is wrong?
How can it be fixed?

Can somebody give me a step-by-step?

In my - feedburner

1) Optimize Your Feed (tab)
2) SmartCast™ - Podcasting and iTunes settings (left menu selection)
3) Include iTunes podcasting elements (check)
4) Include Media RSS information and add podcast to Yahoo! Search 
(check)
5) Ping audio.weblogs.com each time my feed includes new podcasts 
(check)
6) Create podcast enclosures from links to (any audio or video file)

What box is checked that shouldn't be checked?

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Re: [videoblogging] new guy supplicates to the gods

2005-09-20 Thread Ross Judice


Pete, Bill, Jay, and Markus,Thank you so much for your help. Problem solved.RossOn Sep 20, 2005, at 8:18 AM, Pete Prodoehl wrote:   I see a feed here:     http://www.rossjudice.com/water/?feed=rss2  Though it has no enclosures, and it uses 'embed' rather than 'a href' to  the .mov files...  Try adding this code:  a href=""http://www.rossjudice.com/media/movies/festival2step.mov">http://www.rossjudice.com/media/movies/festival2step.mov"  rel="enclosure" //a  (Your choice if you want anything between the opening and closing 'a' tags.)  This should allow WordPress to see the enclosure and add it properly to  the custom field.  Do a 'Save and Continue Editing' in WordPress after doing this and see  if it fills in a custom field with a Key of 'enclosure' applied to it,  add something like this in the Value field:  http://www.rossjudice.com/media/movies/festival2step.mov 17279931 video/quicktime   PeteMarkus Sandy wrote:  it's there, near the bottom of the page  i believe that this is a wordpress issue  i know that someone asked a similar question recently  Jay dedman wrote:I've got a couple of videos posted on the attached site. I cannot  understand why FireAnt or iTunes will not recognize these videos as  new postings. I simply want family and friends to be able to use  aggregators to stay in touch. I tried to follow the instructions on  FreeVlog.org using feedburner. I humbly seek the wisdom and wise  counsel of the vlogger gurus. Is my feed starving for lack of  substantial code? I use Wordpress. Thank you in advance for any  kindnesses you may impart.   ross judice  http://www.rossjudice.com/water   hey Ross--   i dont see a feed on your site.  usually you put a feedburner badge on the site...and that lets me  subcsribe to your feed.   The wordpress gurus can help you out as well.  i believe WP does the right feed for you   who can help on this?  http://www.rossjudice.com/water--  http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Typepad  Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 

  




  
  
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[videoblogging] Anybody know how to convert WMV to MPEG

2005-09-20 Thread aroundtheperimeter
I have found some programs that will do the conversion, but they all
cost $$.  I'm looking for a free one.  I'm trying to convert wmv to
mpeg because I want vimeo.com to put a thumbnail of my video in the
preview clip.  When I use an mpeg there is no preview clip.  Any help
would be great.

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[videoblogging] Videoblogging for Beginners

2005-09-20 Thread BevSykes





I've been chatting with a couple of rank beginners, 
like myself, who, while we find this group interesting, also find that most of 
the time we are in wy over our heads. I know that I've suggested 
before a spin-off group for beginners like us, so I've just started one. 
If there are any other floundering newbies on this list, check out:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Vblog/

(of course there's nothing to check out yet--I just 
started it). My statement for the group is:

"There is an excellent discussion group for 
videoblogging. But it's designed for people who know what they're doing. This 
group is for those of us who are just starting out, who are still struggling 
with what exactly IS an RSS feed anyway? It's still good to join the other group 
for to learn at the feet of the experts, but for those of us who can't 
understand 90% of the content, this is the group for us!"

I will be curious to know who (if anybody) decides 
to join this group!

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Re: [videoblogging] spatula's back

2005-09-20 Thread Brett Gaylor


REMIX!http://www.etherworks.ca/2005_09_01_blogarchive.htmlOn 20-Sep-05, at 6:45 PM, Adam Quirk wrote: On 9/20/05, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  This is not completely true! Spatulacasting and Whisking took over the  vlogosphere by storm, and every decided to speedvlog it.  Speaking of...let's collect links to those posts somewhere.  Where is a good place where we can collect links to different memes?  I guess tagging at Mefeedia?    Here are three that I know of:  http://tinkernet.org/2005/09/16/spatulacasting/ http://www.bullemhead.com/FiveFour/the_whisking.html http://www.etherworks.ca/2005_09_01_blogarchive.html  Any others?  -- AQ bullemhead.com transoceanicmonitoring.org  SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Typepad  Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.  - Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.etherworks.ca  

  




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Videoblogging for Beginners

2005-09-20 Thread Verdi
On Sep 20, 2005, at 8:31 PM, BevSykes wrote:


 There is an excellent discussion group for videoblogging. But it's  
 designed for people who know what they're doing. This group is for  
 those of us who are just starting out, who are still struggling  
 with what exactly IS an RSS feed anyway? It's still good to join  
 the other group for to learn at the feet of the experts, but for  
 those of us who can't understand 90% of the content, this is the  
 group for us!

Yikes!  This group is designed for the beginner!  The 90% that sounds  
to technical is just people amusing themselves until someone needs  
help.  When I first joined this group I didn't understand 90% of what  
people were talking about either (I think I'm up to maybe 50% now)  
but after a while some of it started to make sense.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, stay in this group!  I (and maybe  
others?) don't want to watch another group.  It'll be easier for  
everyone, I think, if we all read the same group.  Besides, the  
really technical talk about RSS has it's own group so we all don't  
have to be bombarded with the minutia of goab blah blah, daose, xml  
gkdfaeo.  I just check the podcaster box on the Feedburner front page  
and let them do all the work.

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[videoblogging] Any Vloggers based in Las Vegas

2005-09-20 Thread Johnie Tidwell
Just wondering if there are any vloggers in this group based here in 
Las Vegas?

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[videoblogging] Working towards cool blog for girls

2005-09-20 Thread Alison
So... been working on a video blog (I posted some examples some time 
ago and they sucked, so we took them down)

Anyways, the idea is to have a blog which has cool projects for girls 
to make which require them to interact with electronics for 
example: a purse that lights up when your cell phone rings. This idea 
hacks into an already existing cheap package and referbishes it in
the 
purse.

We are conflicted between teaching the basic technologies (how to 
solder, make a circuit, use capacitors) getting the interest of 14
year old girls 

What advice would you give to make a blog like this successful?

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Re: [videoblogging] Setting up a commuinty web site.

2005-09-20 Thread cassandra hawkins



Hi James how old are youJames Helliwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Adam Quirk wrote: n 9/20/05, *James* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:  Hello Im James   Hello James.   Forum no probelm, just the database to hold the videos and the funtionality of people uploading the video and for the mob bolg site taking the videos via email. like vimeo.com http://vimeo.com or moblog.co.uk http://moblog.co.uk  Anyone with any ideas or sugestions? The site has to look top notch.Rentacoder.com http://Rentacoder.com is the place to go. Very many  great coders in there.  I can recommend a team of coders in Macedonia that use the screen name  bubi1979.  Unsolicited advice: These kind of sites are popping up almost weekly  now, trying to become the place to go for the videoblogging community.  With so much competition, the site will have to be incredibly unique to  be successful. Even then, it will be hard to pull people away from  their current favorite "community" places. Not trying to discourage  you, just letting you know what's out there so you don't make the  mistake so many others are, of making the same thing over and over again.Thanks for the advice, I make a great web site and take the time to build it well.My partner in this is a channel 4 video producer, so we hope to be able to
 add professional advice and tarket people who would like design and editing advice from a pro-video man.I know it will be a difficult market etc, but we will be very much community based and ..well selling pencils is competetive ;). I have a few contacts I can advertise/market (off line as well) etc well from.To be frank there are lots of site im sure but I have only seen a few I like the look of. And havnt seen much off line marketing???Cheers for thatTalk to you laterJames  Ok, Adam bullemhead.com http://bullemhead.com transoceanicmonitoring.org http://transoceanicmonitoring.org   YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  * Visit your group
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