Re: [videoblogging] Indecision - an interactive hyper-videoblog post

2008-07-25 Thread Christian Wach
On 23 Jul 2008, at 10:50, Rupert wrote:

 I just used YouTube's new Annotations tool to create a little  
 interactive videoblog story, created very quickly with my phone.  
 Exciting that this kind of thing is possible so easily.

 You can only see it on YouTube - here:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtQg_LCq_T8fmt=18

Nice one Rupert - an entertaining example of what used to be called  
interruptible video back in the last century. Interruptible because  
it's only interactive in the sense that we choose the next narrative  
snippet.

Unfortunately, when done poorly, this narrative form picked up the  
moniker irritainment, since the main attraction of video/tv/film is  
that we surrender our decision-making faculties to the film-maker and  
enter into a trance-like reverie - and the requirement to make a  
decision at each step interrupts our involvement in the film's world.

As you probably also discovered, making these kinds of films quickly  
leads us to the garden of forking paths as Borges described it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Garden_of_Forking_Paths

In my experience, this makes narrative resolution extremely  
difficult. Of course, many videoblogs have no resolution, so perhaps  
this could work for such open-ended narrative structures after all.

Look forward to your further experiments!

Cheers,

Christian



Re: [videoblogging] Indecision - an interactive hyper-videoblog post

2008-07-25 Thread Rupert
Thanks, Christian.

I started out by mapping some Steve Jackson/Ian Livingstone Fighting  
Fantasy interactive books a couple of years ago, so I could study how  
they created their stories and avoided the endless proliferation of  
paths.  Their paths diverged and then converged at key points.   I'm  
just trying out a project using the same methods.

I agree that videoblogs are more open-ended, and a lot of what is  
created can fit together in interesting ways.

One solution that I want to explore is to avoid the 'irritainment'  
factor by allowing viewers to sit through an uninterrupted version of  
a story if they want, but also allowing them multiple layers of  
options and parallel stories and easter eggs that they can explore on  
further viewings, each of which adds something to the viewer's  
engagement with or understanding of the story.

But for the moment, I'm just making a big game.

Rupert
http://twittervlog.tv

PS I particularly enjoy your email address.   Best I've seen in a  
long time.

On 25-Jul-08, at 1:44 AM, Christian Wach wrote:

On 23 Jul 2008, at 10:50, Rupert wrote:

  I just used YouTube's new Annotations tool to create a little
  interactive videoblog story, created very quickly with my phone.
  Exciting that this kind of thing is possible so easily.
 
  You can only see it on YouTube - here:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtQg_LCq_T8fmt=18

Nice one Rupert - an entertaining example of what used to be called
interruptible video back in the last century. Interruptible because
it's only interactive in the sense that we choose the next narrative
snippet.

Unfortunately, when done poorly, this narrative form picked up the
moniker irritainment, since the main attraction of video/tv/film is
that we surrender our decision-making faculties to the film-maker and
enter into a trance-like reverie - and the requirement to make a
decision at each step interrupts our involvement in the film's world.

As you probably also discovered, making these kinds of films quickly
leads us to the garden of forking paths as Borges described it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Garden_of_Forking_Paths

In my experience, this makes narrative resolution extremely
difficult. Of course, many videoblogs have no resolution, so perhaps
this could work for such open-ended narrative structures after all.

Look forward to your further experiments!

Cheers,

Christian






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[videoblogging] Documentary Club

2008-07-25 Thread darbycoin
I know that a lot of folks here are into documentaries - Doc Pop and I
have started up a documentary club on ning.  You can find it here
http://documentaryclub.ning.com

I've found a lot in my career of tv and video that by watching others
work you can learn a lot - whether it be
timing/techniques/composition/storytelling whatever.  

So I hope that you'll join us. We'll be watching two films a month -
you don't have to do both - and we'll be discussing them after viewing
them.  We're even trying to rope in the director of a film or two to
participate in the conversation. We're just now finalizing the list
for the first month - we'll vote for the top 2 - keep it democratic
and all. 

Thanks all. 

Scott Stead
www.scottstead.com





[videoblogging] 12seconds.tv

2008-07-25 Thread darbycoin
has anyone else checked this out?  i see that they're trying to take
the success (if you will) of seesmic and combine it what that of
twitter (its brevity).  but are we really that ADD that we NEED to
compress the time frame to 12 seconds? i think its novel but that's
about it.  

as a culture - we're all about expedience - but in condensing and
condensing the time frames in which we communicate are we changing how
we communicate?  personally - i've been watching a lot of longer
format films/documentaries/etc lately because i've been feeling a need
for something with depth/breadth/context/landscape. 

do you see value in 12seconds.tv? or is it just another niche thing. 

cheers
scott



Re: [videoblogging] 12seconds.tv

2008-07-25 Thread schlomo rabinowitz
Yeah, Ive been on it a bit; theres a couple others on this list using it as
well.  I'm still having problems with the 12sec limit..sometimes I need
17secs to accomadate all my umms and uhhs.
One thing good about it, is that it works and does what it says it does!

by the time I get to the page, turn on my cam, etc.. I just want to do
whatever im doing for the time it takes me to do it; which SHOULD only be
12secs, but rarely is.


On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:36 AM, darbycoin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   has anyone else checked this out? i see that they're trying to take
 the success (if you will) of seesmic and combine it what that of
 twitter (its brevity). but are we really that ADD that we NEED to
 compress the time frame to 12 seconds? i think its novel but that's
 about it.

 as a culture - we're all about expedience - but in condensing and
 condensing the time frames in which we communicate are we changing how
 we communicate? personally - i've been watching a lot of longer
 format films/documentaries/etc lately because i've been feeling a need
 for something with depth/breadth/context/landscape.

 do you see value in 12seconds.tv? or is it just another niche thing.

 cheers
 scott

  




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Re: [videoblogging] 12seconds.tv

2008-07-25 Thread Brian Richardson
I think it's a niche, but I understand the ADD production mentality.
For Dragon*ConTV, we have a maximum time limit of two minutes for a
clip. Most of what we produce is 30 seconds in length (due to spoofing
commercials). We make exceptions for our few music videos, but the
main video clips are time limited.

Audience ADD is one reason we set the time limit. People come  go at
Dragon*Con events, so a 10 minute joke won't work there (yeah, we
produce for a live audience as well as an internet audience ... very
rare these days).

The really big reason we set the time limit is comedic punch ... what
I call the hit them with a cream pie and run rule. Some of the ideas
we have are funny when they're short, but hard to flesh out in a
longer spot. And, if you try to stretch the joke, it's like chewing
the same piece of gum for too long ... eventually the flavor dies and
it ends up on the bottom of someone else's shoe. We describe it as
SNL Syndrome (many Saturday Night Live jokes would be funnier if
they stopped sooner).

Robot Chicken excels at the 10 second gag. It's not the entire show,
but ti works for some of their jokes. Short and funny has it's place,
unless it's Verne Troyer in yet another Mike Myers movie.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:36 AM, darbycoin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 has anyone else checked this out?  i see that they're trying to take
 the success (if you will) of seesmic and combine it what that of
 twitter (its brevity).  but are we really that ADD that we NEED to
 compress the time frame to 12 seconds? i think its novel but that's
 about it.

 as a culture - we're all about expedience - but in condensing and
 condensing the time frames in which we communicate are we changing how
 we communicate?  personally - i've been watching a lot of longer
 format films/documentaries/etc lately because i've been feeling a need
 for something with depth/breadth/context/landscape.

 do you see value in 12seconds.tv? or is it just another niche thing.

 cheers
 scott


 

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[videoblogging] Fwd: [BAVC] PAH Fest - good opportunity to get media produced for your org

2008-07-25 Thread schlomo rabinowitz
Hey all

Thought some of you might be interested in this.  Looks pretty good.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Jennifer Gilomen
Date: Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Subject: [BAVC] PAH Fest - good opportunity to get media produced for your
org
To: Schlomo Rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Jennifer Gilomen said:

  I strongly encourage each of you to round up a team for this
  festival and to produce a 6-minute film about the issues your
  organization deals with. The Mobiflicks project is competitive
  community-based storytelling on teams, with cash (and camera)
  prizes. They provide everything for your team to produce a
  film--a coach, production and postproduction equipment, etc.,
  and they encourage community members of all ages and walks of
  life, with little or no media experience to participate. It'll
  be a fun event, everyone will learn production skills, there's a
  screening at the end, and you'll end up with a film that is
  useful for marketing your organization and doing advocacy.

  -

  Digivantelist Christopher Coppola Brings FREE Digital Media
  Festival to Bay Area
  August 10--17
  www.pahnation.org

  PAH stands for Project Accessible Hollywood and PAH-FEST is a
  week-long, free digital media festival that travels to cities
  throughout the US and internationally

  18 July 2008--SAN FRANCISCO: Leave it to a Coppola to find a new
  way to bring media to the masses. In this case--Christopher
  Coppola: filmmaker, nephew of Francis Ford Coppola, brother of
  Nicolas Cage and renowned DigiVangelist. The concept is
  simple – put a digital video camera or a cell phone in the
  hands of someone with an idea and let them create art. Then put
  the finished project on the Internet at to enable cross cultural
  communication and understanding. The result is PAH-FEST (PAH
  stands for Project Accessible Hollywood)-- www.pahfest.org-- a
  week-long, free digital media festival that travels to cities
  throughout the US and internationally. It comes to the Bay Area
  this August 10 - 17 in partnership with San Francisco Art
  Institute and Oakland School of the Arts.

  My goal is to bridge the gap between Hollywood and the
  heartland, says Coppola, who has been dubbed the pirate of
  his filmatic family. PAH-FEST allows people from all walks of
  life, ages 5 – 105, the chance to tell their stories
  through video in five different contests. We are excited about
  PAH-FEST coming to the Bay Area because the San Francisco region
  is a place of neighborhoods with individuals and stories in
  every area of the city and suburbs. We are reaching out through
  museums, youth groups and schools to find people interested in
  participating.

  Participants are provided with digital equipment and a
  professional helping hand enabling them to create
  their own short digital films. PAH-FEST: Bay Area offers
  participants the opportunity to build confidence using digital
  technology while discovering the artist within us
  all. The finished work will be posted on the
  www.pahnation.org online theatre, where the public and a pool of
  professional judges review it and cast their votes for the
  winners. All submissions will remain online indefinitely for
  viewing and sharing.

  Coming from a storied Hollywood family, and having directed
  movies himself, Christopher Coppola has one foot in the studio
  filmmaking system and the other on the frontier of new media
  storytelling.
  He believes that great stories come from everyday people, and
  that with the advent of digital technology, those stories can be
  shared globally through digital films and the Internet. He
  created PAH-FEST for this purpose.

  PAH-FEST: Bay Area categories include:
  1) Mobiflicks: six-minute digital films using Canon pro-sumer
  digital cameras.
  2) Cell Phone Art: one-minute or less videos created on a
  video-enabled cell phone.
  3) DigiPortraits: participants create a two-minute portrait of
  themselves or another person.
  4) Tone Poem: musicians, songwriters and composers shoot a
  two-minute video to portray their original music.
  5) Circus Vision Challenge: children ages 14 and under, embark
  on a visual treasure hunt to capture and gather a list of visual
  ingredients.

  On Sunday, August 10, 12pm-4pm. at San Francisco's Exploratorium
  and at Oakland's Jack London Square PAH-FEST: Bay Area will kick
  off with Circus Vision Challenge. Coppola will welcome youth
  aged 14 and under, accompanied by a parent, guardian or
  chaperone. They will be given a brief orientation and then
  provided with a video enabled smart phone or camera as they
  embark on a visual treasure hunt to capture and interpret a list
  of visual ingredients. Participants will have five hours to
  shoot and edit a two-minute piece on the phone. PAH-FEST: Bay
  Area's tech crew will be available at the PAH Headquarters
  at SFAI and OSA for help with editing and submitting the piece.
  The Circus Vision 

[videoblogging] Re: 12seconds.tv

2008-07-25 Thread Renat Zarbailov
This 12 second thing will make people talk like robots or like those
voiceover guys at the end of informercials. When you tell something,
pauses are essential for the listener to memorize and visualize your
story.

my 12 cents

Renat of Innomind.org

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, darbycoin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 has anyone else checked this out?  i see that they're trying to take
 the success (if you will) of seesmic and combine it what that of
 twitter (its brevity).  but are we really that ADD that we NEED to
 compress the time frame to 12 seconds? i think its novel but that's
 about it.  
 
 as a culture - we're all about expedience - but in condensing and
 condensing the time frames in which we communicate are we changing how
 we communicate?  personally - i've been watching a lot of longer
 format films/documentaries/etc lately because i've been feeling a need
 for something with depth/breadth/context/landscape. 
 
 do you see value in 12seconds.tv? or is it just another niche thing. 
 
 cheers
 scott





Re: [videoblogging] Re: 12seconds.tv

2008-07-25 Thread Brian Richardson
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Renat Zarbailov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This 12 second thing will make people talk like robots or like those
 voiceover guys at the end of informercials. When you tell something,
 pauses are essential for the listener to memorize and visualize your
 story.


idontknowwhatyouretalkingaboutithinkyoucangetthepointacrossinashortperiodoftime

... yeah, this could be annoying :)


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[videoblogging] Re: rocketboom using youtube - why?

2008-07-25 Thread yattacheese
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, miglsd27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hey Miguel.

We're using blip, Viddler, and YT for our RSS and email embeds.  We're
switching off between them as we experiment to see which ones serve
which episodes best.

For the most part, we're looking at:
- Encode quality
- Transcode time
- File availability
- Effect on stats/community per platform

This past week we've been using the YouTube 'high quality' +
widescreen embed file in particular.


-kc.




 I noticed that in my feed reader, but the webpage does the same. The
problem isn´t even the 
 picture quality, wich I don´t find that much worst. The audio is
terrible. Why not stick to blip 
 or something?
 
 Miguel.






Re: [videoblogging] Talent needed!

2008-07-25 Thread Adam Quirk
Yeah.  Our material doesn't get enough views to make those pay off.  Our
highest viewed video is around 200,000 and that's an anomaly.  Most average
10k-50k or so, but gain views as the months go on.

Hadn't checked our stats in a while.  We're actually on the precipice of a
significant number:
1,928,028 views across 66 videos since we launched in March 2007.

*Adam Quirk* / Wreck  Salvage http://wreckandsalvage.com /
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / +1 551.208.4644 (m) / imbullemhead (aim)



On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Tim Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Have you tried Revver, Blip, Break and Metacafe?


 Tim Street
 Creator/Executive Producer
 French Maid TV
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Add French Maid TV to Your iTunes @
 http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes
 http://1timstreet.com
 http://twitter.com/1timstreet

 On Jul 24, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Adam Quirk wrote:

  Some creative video people are as good at business as farmers are at
  rocket
  science. Or they just want to focus on the creative side and not worry
  about the business side.
 
  On that note, anyone reading this that thinks they can make money
  with Wreck
   Salvage please feel free to let us know how:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  We'll try anything once. Except DVDA.
 
  AQ
 
  *Adam Quirk* / Wreck  Salvage http://wreckandsalvage.com /
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] / +1 551.208.4644 (m) / imbullemhead (aim)
 
  On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Tim Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
   Hey Marc,
  
   Remind me, If someone can produce, star and edit their own show
  why do
   they need you?
  
   Just kidding. I couldn't resist.
  
  
   Tim Street
   Creator/Executive Producer
   French Maid TV
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Add French Maid TV to Your iTunes @
   http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes
   http://1timstreet.com
   http://twitter.com/1timstreet
  
   On Jul 24, 2008, at 10:18 AM, mboxser wrote:
  
Are you the next Ze, Chuck, Steve, Zadi? Kent? Lisa Nova? Want to
make a show and get paid
for it? I am looking for creative talent who produce, star and
  edit
in their own shows-
looking particularly for innovative news/politics people, as
  well as
innovative shows around
normal consumer/popular topics, but interested in anything and
  anyone.
   
I work with a bunch of companies looking to staff up their content
on several levels of
investment- so please contact me and include links to you work at
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
Many thanks,
   
Marc Boxser
   
   
   
  
  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Talent needed!

2008-07-25 Thread Irina
holy cow thats awsome

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

   Yeah. Our material doesn't get enough views to make those pay off. Our
 highest viewed video is around 200,000 and that's an anomaly. Most average
 10k-50k or so, but gain views as the months go on.

 Hadn't checked our stats in a while. We're actually on the precipice of a
 significant number:
 1,928,028 views across 66 videos since we launched in March 2007.

 *Adam Quirk* / Wreck  Salvage http://wreckandsalvage.com /
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com / +1 551.208.4644
 (m) / imbullemhead (aim)

 On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Tim Street [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]tim%40frenchmaidtv.com
 wrote:

  Have you tried Revver, Blip, Break and Metacafe?
 
 
  Tim Street
  Creator/Executive Producer
  French Maid TV
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] tim%40frenchmaidtv.com
  Add French Maid TV to Your iTunes @
  http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes
  http://1timstreet.com
  http://twitter.com/1timstreet
 
  On Jul 24, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Adam Quirk wrote:
 
   Some creative video people are as good at business as farmers are at
   rocket
   science. Or they just want to focus on the creative side and not worry
   about the business side.
  
   On that note, anyone reading this that thinks they can make money
   with Wreck
Salvage please feel free to let us know how:
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com
  
   We'll try anything once. Except DVDA.
  
   AQ
  
   *Adam Quirk* / Wreck  Salvage http://wreckandsalvage.com /
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com / +1
 551.208.4644 (m) / imbullemhead (aim)
  
   On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Tim Street [EMAIL 
   PROTECTED]tim%40frenchmaidtv.com
 
   wrote:
  
Hey Marc,
   
Remind me, If someone can produce, star and edit their own show
   why do
they need you?
   
Just kidding. I couldn't resist.
   
   
Tim Street
Creator/Executive Producer
French Maid TV
[EMAIL PROTECTED] tim%40frenchmaidtv.com
Add French Maid TV to Your iTunes @
http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes
http://1timstreet.com
http://twitter.com/1timstreet
   
On Jul 24, 2008, at 10:18 AM, mboxser wrote:
   
 Are you the next Ze, Chuck, Steve, Zadi? Kent? Lisa Nova? Want to
 make a show and get paid
 for it? I am looking for creative talent who produce, star and
   edit
 in their own shows-
 looking particularly for innovative news/politics people, as
   well as
 innovative shows around
 normal consumer/popular topics, but interested in anything and
   anyone.

 I work with a bunch of companies looking to staff up their content
 on several levels of
 investment- so please contact me and include links to you work at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] marc%40boxser.com

 Many thanks,

 Marc Boxser



   
   
   
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Re: [videoblogging] Talent needed!

2008-07-25 Thread Irina
unless you have millions and millions of views per each episode
getv is a good brand, but most of my money has come from flat fee
sponsorships
because the per/view per/click stuff just doenst work for anything outside
blockbusters

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

   Yeah. Our material doesn't get enough views to make those pay off. Our
 highest viewed video is around 200,000 and that's an anomaly. Most average
 10k-50k or so, but gain views as the months go on.

 Hadn't checked our stats in a while. We're actually on the precipice of a
 significant number:
 1,928,028 views across 66 videos since we launched in March 2007.

 *Adam Quirk* / Wreck  Salvage http://wreckandsalvage.com /
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com / +1 551.208.4644
 (m) / imbullemhead (aim)

 On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Tim Street [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]tim%40frenchmaidtv.com
 wrote:

  Have you tried Revver, Blip, Break and Metacafe?
 
 
  Tim Street
  Creator/Executive Producer
  French Maid TV
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] tim%40frenchmaidtv.com
  Add French Maid TV to Your iTunes @
  http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes
  http://1timstreet.com
  http://twitter.com/1timstreet
 
  On Jul 24, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Adam Quirk wrote:
 
   Some creative video people are as good at business as farmers are at
   rocket
   science. Or they just want to focus on the creative side and not worry
   about the business side.
  
   On that note, anyone reading this that thinks they can make money
   with Wreck
Salvage please feel free to let us know how:
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com
  
   We'll try anything once. Except DVDA.
  
   AQ
  
   *Adam Quirk* / Wreck  Salvage http://wreckandsalvage.com /
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com / +1
 551.208.4644 (m) / imbullemhead (aim)
  
   On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Tim Street [EMAIL 
   PROTECTED]tim%40frenchmaidtv.com
 
   wrote:
  
Hey Marc,
   
Remind me, If someone can produce, star and edit their own show
   why do
they need you?
   
Just kidding. I couldn't resist.
   
   
Tim Street
Creator/Executive Producer
French Maid TV
[EMAIL PROTECTED] tim%40frenchmaidtv.com
Add French Maid TV to Your iTunes @
http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes
http://1timstreet.com
http://twitter.com/1timstreet
   
On Jul 24, 2008, at 10:18 AM, mboxser wrote:
   
 Are you the next Ze, Chuck, Steve, Zadi? Kent? Lisa Nova? Want to
 make a show and get paid
 for it? I am looking for creative talent who produce, star and
   edit
 in their own shows-
 looking particularly for innovative news/politics people, as
   well as
 innovative shows around
 normal consumer/popular topics, but interested in anything and
   anyone.

 I work with a bunch of companies looking to staff up their content
 on several levels of
 investment- so please contact me and include links to you work at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] marc%40boxser.com

 Many thanks,

 Marc Boxser



   
   
   
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[videoblogging] Re: 12seconds.tv

2008-07-25 Thread darbycoin
Unfortunately - most people aren't funny enough for that 12 seconds to
be worth while.  Instead of a cream pie in the face and everyone
laughing - it's more like watching some kids doing whippits and
staring at the camera saying - i'm a importan', people know me. watch
out. (end of transmission)


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brian Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I think it's a niche, but I understand the ADD production mentality.
 For Dragon*ConTV, we have a maximum time limit of two minutes for a
 clip. Most of what we produce is 30 seconds in length (due to spoofing
 commercials). We make exceptions for our few music videos, but the
 main video clips are time limited.
 
 Audience ADD is one reason we set the time limit. People come  go at
 Dragon*Con events, so a 10 minute joke won't work there (yeah, we
 produce for a live audience as well as an internet audience ... very
 rare these days).
 
 The really big reason we set the time limit is comedic punch ... what
 I call the hit them with a cream pie and run rule. Some of the ideas
 we have are funny when they're short, but hard to flesh out in a
 longer spot. And, if you try to stretch the joke, it's like chewing
 the same piece of gum for too long ... eventually the flavor dies and
 it ends up on the bottom of someone else's shoe. We describe it as
 SNL Syndrome (many Saturday Night Live jokes would be funnier if
 they stopped sooner).
 
 Robot Chicken excels at the 10 second gag. It's not the entire show,
 but ti works for some of their jokes. Short and funny has it's place,
 unless it's Verne Troyer in yet another Mike Myers movie.
 
 On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:36 AM, darbycoin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  has anyone else checked this out?  i see that they're trying to take
  the success (if you will) of seesmic and combine it what that of
  twitter (its brevity).  but are we really that ADD that we NEED to
  compress the time frame to 12 seconds? i think its novel but that's
  about it.
 
  as a culture - we're all about expedience - but in condensing and
  condensing the time frames in which we communicate are we changing how
  we communicate?  personally - i've been watching a lot of longer
  format films/documentaries/etc lately because i've been feeling a need
  for something with depth/breadth/context/landscape.
 
  do you see value in 12seconds.tv? or is it just another niche thing.
 
  cheers
  scott
 
 
  
 
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[videoblogging] My Latest Upcoming Video Podcast Projects

2008-07-25 Thread Pat Cook
Hi everyone:

Just wanted to let everyone here know that my new political talk show 
will be starting up in video format BEGINNING TOMORROW AFTERNOON 
(Evening on the East Coast) @ 5:00 PM ET (Unless severe weather forces a 
delay as my computer sits in front of a window) on BlogTV.

The show is called The Left Wing Conservative and the format is me 
analyzing the issues of the day and talking to visitors in the chat room 
(I may even put a few people on the air as callers or as guests!).

The blog page will be @ http://theleftwingconservative.blogspot.com/

I too have a Social Networking page on ning.com @ 
http://theleftwingconservative.ning.com/ though that'll be used for 
stuff in-between shows and a place to gather for the radio version, 
which will (Hopefully  ultimately) be on various Internet Radio 
stations either for the LIVE broadcast or aired via audio podcast and 
aired at a later time.

The audio version will also utilize the services of either BlogTalkRadio 
or (More likely) TalkShoe for interactive purposes.  This show will air 
Wednesday Nights @ 9:00 PM ET.

In fact, speaking of politics, someone from Senator Barack Obama's 
campaign office here in Denver called me up last night to inform me of a 
rally being held in my neighborhood.  I told him if I'm up and around 
and in a position to leave the building in the morning hours when the 
rally is supposed to start, I'll try to make it up there.  Part of that 
rally would involve some good ol' fashioned door-to-door campaigning (I 
already told the City Clerk's office I would NOT work this election as a 
judge due to concerns that MANY of the same issues that plagued them in 
'06 would re-manifest themselves AT LEAST threefold this time around and 
I wanted NO part of it).

If I *do* go, I'll try to get something with my iRiver for the radio 
show on Wednesday (I'm not gonna even bother with getting video for the 
TV show because the cam I have is so cheap and I'd need time just to get 
it re-encoded whereas the ManyCam player CAN play it back and stream it 
onto BlogTV and it's just not worth the trouble).

The audio version will be archived and podcast in high-quality 128/44.

My next project is really an extention of one I had to put on the back 
burner to deal with offline RW issues.  But now that those have been 
dealt with (Albeit MUCH slower than I'd like), not only is my Classic TV 
Commercials podcast being resumed, but two things will happen.  They are...

1). The name will be changed from Pat's Classic TV Commercials to 
Back To The Future TV - Classic Commercials Collection. The URL will 
be renamed (But don't go there to subscribe just yet as you'll soon find 
the URL to be outdated).

2). A **NEW** Video Podcast will be created for certain Classic TV Shows 
from the 1950s and 1960s (I mean we're talking some REAL gems here.  NOT 
just some cheap ass penny-ante modern-day spoof from SNL or MadTV or 
something!).  It will be simply called the Back To The Future TV Video 
Podcast.  Don't bother with subscribing now because you won't find this 
podcast.

So anyway, that's the latest from here.  I'll post more details as they 
become available.

Cheers :)

-- 
Pat Cook
Denver, Colorado
PODCASTS -
AS MY WORLD TURNS - Blogger Page - http://asmyworldturnstv.blogspot.com/ 
BlogTV Page - http://www.blogtv.com/Shows/20453
AS MY WEIGHT LOSS WORLD TURNS - http://asmyweightlossworldturns.blogspot.com
PAT'S REAL DEAL VIDEO BLOG - http://patsrealdeal.livejournal.com/
PAT'S HEALTH  MEDICAL WONDERS VIDEOCAST - 
http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/
YOUTUBE CHANNEL - http://www.youtube.com/amwowttv/
THE PAT COOK SHOW  - http://www.livevideo.com/thepcshow
THE PAT COOK SHOW (Video Podcast) - Blogger Page - 
http://thepctvshow.blogspot.com/ - BlogTV Page - 
http://www.blogtv.com/Shows/19924
**COMING SOON** - PAT'S CLASSIC TV COMMERCIALS VIDEO PODCAST - 
http://patsclassictvcommercials-ipod.blogspot.com/ (iPod), 
http://patsclassictvcommercials-flash.blogspot.com/ (Flash)


[videoblogging] Re: 12seconds.tv

2008-07-25 Thread Bill Cammack
This conversation actually came up ON Seesmic back in the day.

There was a suggestion to limit responses to 90 seconds.

This would have been intelligent for the reason that there were
conversations that were branching out faster than viewers could
consume the material.  For instance... One person says I comb my
dog's hair to the left, and then someone responds I comb it to the
right.  Meanwhile, a third person is replying to the first commment
and leaving a ten-minute explanation about dog-grooming.  By the time
you watched the short video and the ten-minute video, there were
already eight more responses on a couple of different tangents, some
of which were ALSO 5 or 6 minutes long.

On top of that, if you wanted to make your own response to someone's
post, you missed out on all of the new posts that you then had to go
back and watch, etc etc etc...

Making a limitation of 90 seconds would have been a good idea if they
were trying to emulate twitter and have people receive a limited
amount of time to express themselves.

12 seconds is too short.  It's like playing some cryptic game.  90
seconds was more of a you're babbling cutoff suggestion, not such a
stringent restriction.

Bill Cammack
http://billcammack.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, schlomo rabinowitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yeah, Ive been on it a bit; theres a couple others on this list
using it as
 well.  I'm still having problems with the 12sec limit..sometimes I need
 17secs to accomadate all my umms and uhhs.
 One thing good about it, is that it works and does what it says it does!
 
 by the time I get to the page, turn on my cam, etc.. I just want to do
 whatever im doing for the time it takes me to do it; which SHOULD
only be
 12secs, but rarely is.
 
 
 On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:36 AM, darbycoin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
has anyone else checked this out? i see that they're trying to take
  the success (if you will) of seesmic and combine it what that of
  twitter (its brevity). but are we really that ADD that we NEED to
  compress the time frame to 12 seconds? i think its novel but that's
  about it.
 
  as a culture - we're all about expedience - but in condensing and
  condensing the time frames in which we communicate are we changing how
  we communicate? personally - i've been watching a lot of longer
  format films/documentaries/etc lately because i've been feeling a need
  for something with depth/breadth/context/landscape.
 
  do you see value in 12seconds.tv? or is it just another niche thing.
 
  cheers
  scott
 
   
 
 
 
 
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 http://schlomolog.blogspot.com
 http://hatfactory.net
 AIM:schlomochat
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Talent needed!

2008-07-25 Thread Adam Quirk
You're a blockbuster, Irina.

*Adam Quirk* / Wreck  Salvage http://wreckandsalvage.com /
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / +1 551.208.4644 (m) / imbullemhead (aim)



On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Irina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 unless you have millions and millions of views per each episode
 getv is a good brand, but most of my money has come from flat fee
 sponsorships
 because the per/view per/click stuff just doenst work for anything outside
 blockbusters

 On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

Yeah. Our material doesn't get enough views to make those pay off. Our
  highest viewed video is around 200,000 and that's an anomaly. Most
 average
  10k-50k or so, but gain views as the months go on.
 
  Hadn't checked our stats in a while. We're actually on the precipice of a
  significant number:
  1,928,028 views across 66 videos since we launched in March 2007.
 
  *Adam Quirk* / Wreck  Salvage http://wreckandsalvage.com /
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com / +1
 551.208.4644
  (m) / imbullemhead (aim)
 
  On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Tim Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]tim%
 40frenchmaidtv.com
  wrote:
 
   Have you tried Revver, Blip, Break and Metacafe?
  
  
   Tim Street
   Creator/Executive Producer
   French Maid TV
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] tim%40frenchmaidtv.com
   Add French Maid TV to Your iTunes @
   http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes
   http://1timstreet.com
   http://twitter.com/1timstreet
  
   On Jul 24, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Adam Quirk wrote:
  
Some creative video people are as good at business as farmers are at
rocket
science. Or they just want to focus on the creative side and not
 worry
about the business side.
   
On that note, anyone reading this that thinks they can make money
with Wreck
 Salvage please feel free to let us know how:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com
   
We'll try anything once. Except DVDA.
   
AQ
   
*Adam Quirk* / Wreck  Salvage http://wreckandsalvage.com /
[EMAIL PROTECTED] quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com / +1
  551.208.4644 (m) / imbullemhead (aim)
   
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Tim Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 tim%40frenchmaidtv.com
  
wrote:
   
 Hey Marc,

 Remind me, If someone can produce, star and edit their own show
why do
 they need you?

 Just kidding. I couldn't resist.


 Tim Street
 Creator/Executive Producer
 French Maid TV
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] tim%40frenchmaidtv.com
 Add French Maid TV to Your iTunes @
 http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes
 http://1timstreet.com
 http://twitter.com/1timstreet

 On Jul 24, 2008, at 10:18 AM, mboxser wrote:

  Are you the next Ze, Chuck, Steve, Zadi? Kent? Lisa Nova? Want to
  make a show and get paid
  for it? I am looking for creative talent who produce, star and
edit
  in their own shows-
  looking particularly for innovative news/politics people, as
well as
  innovative shows around
  normal consumer/popular topics, but interested in anything and
anyone.
 
  I work with a bunch of companies looking to staff up their
 content
  on several levels of
  investment- so please contact me and include links to you work at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] marc%40boxser.com
 
  Many thanks,
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Talent needed!

2008-07-25 Thread Irina
that is such a sweet thing to say! i always thought of myself as a
cockbuster


On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

   You're a blockbuster, Irina.


 *Adam Quirk* / Wreck  Salvage http://wreckandsalvage.com /
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com / +1 551.208.4644
 (m) / imbullemhead (aim)

 On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Irina [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]irinaski%40gmail.com
 wrote:

  unless you have millions and millions of views per each episode
  getv is a good brand, but most of my money has come from flat fee
  sponsorships
  because the per/view per/click stuff just doenst work for anything
 outside
  blockbusters
 
  On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL 
  PROTECTED]quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com
  wrote:
 
   Yeah. Our material doesn't get enough views to make those pay off. Our
   highest viewed video is around 200,000 and that's an anomaly. Most
  average
   10k-50k or so, but gain views as the months go on.
  
   Hadn't checked our stats in a while. We're actually on the precipice of
 a
   significant number:
   1,928,028 views across 66 videos since we launched in March 2007.
  
   *Adam Quirk* / Wreck  Salvage http://wreckandsalvage.com /
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com quirk%
 40wreckandsalvage.com / +1
  551.208.4644
   (m) / imbullemhead (aim)
  
   On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Tim Street [EMAIL 
   PROTECTED]tim%40frenchmaidtv.com
 tim%
  40frenchmaidtv.com
   wrote:
  
Have you tried Revver, Blip, Break and Metacafe?
   
   
Tim Street
Creator/Executive Producer
French Maid TV
[EMAIL PROTECTED] tim%40frenchmaidtv.com tim%
 40frenchmaidtv.com
Add French Maid TV to Your iTunes @
http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes
http://1timstreet.com
http://twitter.com/1timstreet
   
On Jul 24, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Adam Quirk wrote:
   
 Some creative video people are as good at business as farmers are
 at
 rocket
 science. Or they just want to focus on the creative side and not
  worry
 about the business side.

 On that note, anyone reading this that thinks they can make money
 with Wreck
  Salvage please feel free to let us know how:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com quirk%
 40wreckandsalvage.com

 We'll try anything once. Except DVDA.

 AQ

 *Adam Quirk* / Wreck  Salvage http://wreckandsalvage.com /
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com quirk%
 40wreckandsalvage.com / +1
   551.208.4644 (m) / imbullemhead (aim)

 On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Tim Street [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]tim%40frenchmaidtv.com
  tim%40frenchmaidtv.com
   
 wrote:

  Hey Marc,
 
  Remind me, If someone can produce, star and edit their own show
 why do
  they need you?
 
  Just kidding. I couldn't resist.
 
 
  Tim Street
  Creator/Executive Producer
  French Maid TV
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] tim%40frenchmaidtv.com tim%
 40frenchmaidtv.com
  Add French Maid TV to Your iTunes @
  http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes
  http://1timstreet.com
  http://twitter.com/1timstreet
 
  On Jul 24, 2008, at 10:18 AM, mboxser wrote:
 
   Are you the next Ze, Chuck, Steve, Zadi? Kent? Lisa Nova? Want
 to
   make a show and get paid
   for it? I am looking for creative talent who produce, star and
 edit
   in their own shows-
   looking particularly for innovative news/politics people, as
 well as
   innovative shows around
   normal consumer/popular topics, but interested in anything and
 anyone.
  
   I work with a bunch of companies looking to staff up their
  content
   on several levels of
   investment- so please contact me and include links to you work
 at
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] marc%40boxser.com marc%40boxser.com
  
   Many thanks,
  
   Marc Boxser
  
  
  
 
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Talent needed!

2008-07-25 Thread Noam Lovinsky
Ziing.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Irina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   that is such a sweet thing to say! i always thought of myself as a
 cockbuster

 On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com
 wrote:


  You're a blockbuster, Irina.
 
 
  *Adam Quirk* / Wreck  Salvage http://wreckandsalvage.com /
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com quirk%
 40wreckandsalvage.com / +1 551.208.4644
  (m) / imbullemhead (aim)
 
  On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Irina [EMAIL 
  PROTECTED]irinaski%40gmail.com
 irinaski%40gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   unless you have millions and millions of views per each episode
   getv is a good brand, but most of my money has come from flat fee
   sponsorships
   because the per/view per/click stuff just doenst work for anything
  outside
   blockbusters
  
   On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL 
   PROTECTED]quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com
 quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com
   wrote:
  
Yeah. Our material doesn't get enough views to make those pay off.
 Our
highest viewed video is around 200,000 and that's an anomaly. Most
   average
10k-50k or so, but gain views as the months go on.
   
Hadn't checked our stats in a while. We're actually on the precipice
 of
  a
significant number:
1,928,028 views across 66 videos since we launched in March 2007.
   
*Adam Quirk* / Wreck  Salvage http://wreckandsalvage.com /
[EMAIL PROTECTED] quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com quirk%
 40wreckandsalvage.com quirk%
  40wreckandsalvage.com / +1
   551.208.4644
(m) / imbullemhead (aim)
   
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Tim Street [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]tim%40frenchmaidtv.com
 tim%40frenchmaidtv.com
  tim%
   40frenchmaidtv.com
wrote:
   
 Have you tried Revver, Blip, Break and Metacafe?


 Tim Street
 Creator/Executive Producer
 French Maid TV
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] tim%40frenchmaidtv.com tim%
 40frenchmaidtv.com tim%
  40frenchmaidtv.com
 Add French Maid TV to Your iTunes @
 http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes
 http://1timstreet.com
 http://twitter.com/1timstreet

 On Jul 24, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Adam Quirk wrote:

  Some creative video people are as good at business as farmers are
  at
  rocket
  science. Or they just want to focus on the creative side and not
   worry
  about the business side.
 
  On that note, anyone reading this that thinks they can make money
  with Wreck
   Salvage please feel free to let us know how:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com quirk%
 40wreckandsalvage.com quirk%
  40wreckandsalvage.com
 
  We'll try anything once. Except DVDA.
 
  AQ
 
  *Adam Quirk* / Wreck  Salvage http://wreckandsalvage.com /
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com quirk%
 40wreckandsalvage.com quirk%
  40wreckandsalvage.com / +1
551.208.4644 (m) / imbullemhead (aim)
 
  On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Tim Street 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] tim%40frenchmaidtv.comtim%40frenchmaidtv.com
   tim%40frenchmaidtv.com

  wrote:
 
   Hey Marc,
  
   Remind me, If someone can produce, star and edit their own show
  why do
   they need you?
  
   Just kidding. I couldn't resist.
  
  
   Tim Street
   Creator/Executive Producer
   French Maid TV
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] tim%40frenchmaidtv.com tim%
 40frenchmaidtv.com tim%
  40frenchmaidtv.com
   Add French Maid TV to Your iTunes @
   http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes
   http://1timstreet.com
   http://twitter.com/1timstreet
  
   On Jul 24, 2008, at 10:18 AM, mboxser wrote:
  
Are you the next Ze, Chuck, Steve, Zadi? Kent? Lisa Nova?
 Want
  to
make a show and get paid
for it? I am looking for creative talent who produce, star
 and
  edit
in their own shows-
looking particularly for innovative news/politics people, as
  well as
innovative shows around
normal consumer/popular topics, but interested in anything
 and
  anyone.
   
I work with a bunch of companies looking to staff up their
   content
on several levels of
investment- so please contact me and include links to you
 work
  at
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] marc%40boxser.com marc%40boxser.com marc%
 40boxser.com
   
Many thanks,
   
Marc Boxser
   
   
   
  
  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Documentary Club

2008-07-25 Thread Irina
thanks scott!

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:31 AM, darbycoin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I know that a lot of folks here are into documentaries - Doc Pop and I
 have started up a documentary club on ning. You can find it here
 http://documentaryclub.ning.com

 I've found a lot in my career of tv and video that by watching others
 work you can learn a lot - whether it be
 timing/techniques/composition/storytelling whatever.

 So I hope that you'll join us. We'll be watching two films a month -
 you don't have to do both - and we'll be discussing them after viewing
 them. We're even trying to rope in the director of a film or two to
 participate in the conversation. We're just now finalizing the list
 for the first month - we'll vote for the top 2 - keep it democratic
 and all.

 Thanks all.

 Scott Stead
 www.scottstead.com

  




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