[videoblogging] Subtitling your videos
Hi Jay I had a quick look at subtitle horse and it looked pretty complicated. might be able better to use something like. You can share the video that way too. http://dotsub.com/ Think there's a demo here: http://dotsub.com/demo.jsp best Nik Peachey | Learning Technology Consultant, Writer, Trainer http://nikpeachey.blogspot.com/ http://quickshout.blogspot.com/ Visit my office in Second Life at: http://tinyurl.com/ytz5go
[videoblogging] Kevin Kelly on the next 5000 days of the web
As I posted the interview of Jay and Ryanne yesterday, I was thinking about how far we've come since 2004/5. And just then a friend sent me this talk by Kevin Kelly last year, saying the web is only 5000 years old, and trying to predict what might happen in the next 5000 days. He starts by talking about how 10 years ago, everyone looked at the future of the web as if it was going to be TV but better but that that's not where it's gone - and then talks about media among a lot of other things. I think it's relevant here because it's interesting to speculate about where what we're doing is going. http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/ kevin_kelly_on_the_next_5_000_days_of_the_web.html Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Kevin Kelly on the next 5000 days of the web
Yeah, thanks Yahoo. Glad to see you're still improving the platform. Safe to say that a mailing list platform which breaks links longer than a certain number of characters is *not* the future of the web. Here's a short version of that link: http://tinyurl.com/kevinkelly On 26-Aug-08, at 8:44 AM, Rupert wrote: As I posted the interview of Jay and Ryanne yesterday, I was thinking about how far we've come since 2004/5. And just then a friend sent me this talk by Kevin Kelly last year, saying the web is only 5000 years old, and trying to predict what might happen in the next 5000 days. He starts by talking about how 10 years ago, everyone looked at the future of the web as if it was going to be TV but better but that that's not where it's gone - and then talks about media among a lot of other things. I think it's relevant here because it's interesting to speculate about where what we're doing is going. http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/ kevin_kelly_on_the_next_5_000_days_of_the_web.html Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Kevin Kelly on the next 5000 days of the web
platform?? site, whatever, blah On 26-Aug-08, at 8:51 AM, Rupert wrote: Yeah, thanks Yahoo. Glad to see you're still improving the platform. Safe to say that a mailing list platform which breaks links longer than a certain number of characters is *not* the future of the web. Here's a short version of that link: http://tinyurl.com/kevinkelly On 26-Aug-08, at 8:44 AM, Rupert wrote: As I posted the interview of Jay and Ryanne yesterday, I was thinking about how far we've come since 2004/5. And just then a friend sent me this talk by Kevin Kelly last year, saying the web is only 5000 years old, and trying to predict what might happen in the next 5000 days. He starts by talking about how 10 years ago, everyone looked at the future of the web as if it was going to be TV but better but that that's not where it's gone - and then talks about media among a lot of other things. I think it's relevant here because it's interesting to speculate about where what we're doing is going. http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/ kevin_kelly_on_the_next_5_000_days_of_the_web.html Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Kevin Kelly on the next 5000 days of the web
You have to do it like this http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/kevin_kelly_on_the_next_5_000_days_of_the_web.html Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: platform?? site, whatever, blah On 26-Aug-08, at 8:51 AM, Rupert wrote: Yeah, thanks Yahoo. Glad to see you're still improving the platform. Safe to say that a mailing list platform which breaks links longer than a certain number of characters is *not* the future of the web. Here's a short version of that link: http://tinyurl.com/kevinkelly On 26-Aug-08, at 8:44 AM, Rupert wrote: As I posted the interview of Jay and Ryanne yesterday, I was thinking about how far we've come since 2004/5. And just then a friend sent me this talk by Kevin Kelly last year, saying the web is only 5000 years old, and trying to predict what might happen in the next 5000 days. He starts by talking about how 10 years ago, everyone looked at the future of the web as if it was going to be TV but better but that that's not where it's gone - and then talks about media among a lot of other things. I think it's relevant here because it's interesting to speculate about where what we're doing is going. http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/ kevin_kelly_on_the_next_5_000_days_of_the_web.html Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Jay and Ryanne interviewed in Beijing on BoingBoing TV
I am glad jay and ryanne are back safe, I am glad that boing boing and others are trying to report thingsbutand for me it's a big butthe ads on the video piece from boing boing turned me offI mean, here are jay and ryanne talking about people being detained and how that they are basicly trying to get out of town before they themselves are detained and I get some upbeat rockin ad for, heck I don't even know but it just seemed sooo out of placeit detracted me from the overall message...maybe it's just me...but. Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tv.boingboing.net/2008/08/25/boing-boing-tv-proti.html Last week, eight American citizens were detained in Beijing for participating in pro-Tibetan sovereignty protests near the site of the 2008 Olympics, with Students for a Free Tibet. Two videobloggers who documented those protest and guerrilla art installations evaded detention, and spoke to Boing Boing TV on Friday Beijing time about why they were there, what they witnessed, and why it mattered. Jay Dedman and Ryanne Hodson of Ryanishungry.com spoke to us over Skype from a hostel in Beijing. One of the actions they documented in photo and video was the hanging of an LED throwies light banner, below, which read FREE TIBET. We agreed to hold this Boing Boing tv episode until after we received word that they'd safely left the country. They have returned home, so I am posting the piece today. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Jay and Ryanne interviewed in Beijing on BoingBoing TV
I thought it was funny - just made me laugh at the advertiser - but yeah, i'm pretty amazed at the stupidity of advertisers, still making one-size-fits-all adverts, even little 5 second pre-roll ones. simplistic ideas of brand identity etc mean they can't get their heads around supplying a variety of different tones to be used depending on the content. without realising that this kind of use of your brand makes you seem like an idiot. they might as well have inserted the title sequence from The Hills. On 26-Aug-08, at 9:52 AM, Heath wrote: I am glad jay and ryanne are back safe, I am glad that boing boing and others are trying to report thingsbutand for me it's a big butthe ads on the video piece from boing boing turned me offI mean, here are jay and ryanne talking about people being detained and how that they are basicly trying to get out of town before they themselves are detained and I get some upbeat rockin ad for, heck I don't even know but it just seemed sooo out of placeit detracted me from the overall message...maybe it's just me...but. Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tv.boingboing.net/2008/08/25/boing-boing-tv-proti.html Last week, eight American citizens were detained in Beijing for participating in pro-Tibetan sovereignty protests near the site of the 2008 Olympics, with Students for a Free Tibet. Two videobloggers who documented those protest and guerrilla art installations evaded detention, and spoke to Boing Boing TV on Friday Beijing time about why they were there, what they witnessed, and why it mattered. Jay Dedman and Ryanne Hodson of Ryanishungry.com spoke to us over Skype from a hostel in Beijing. One of the actions they documented in photo and video was the hanging of an LED throwies light banner, below, which read FREE TIBET. We agreed to hold this Boing Boing tv episode until after we received word that they'd safely left the country. They have returned home, so I am posting the piece today. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Jay and Ryanne interviewed in Beijing on BoingBoing TV
I hear what you're saying, but bills have to be paid. I don't know anything about boingboing, so I can't speak for them specifically, but that's the game that's being played here. Get people to click on your video, get people to click on your ads, get revenue to pay people's salaries. There's nothing else going on here. It's like when you make a Ning community. You can make it for free if you leave the google ads on your site and lose the use of an entire sidebar... or you can pay Ning to make it worth their while to ditch the ads and let you use the sidebar. Lots of people choose to make free Ning sites and lots of people choose to watch free boingboing videos with whatever ads you saw on them. I know you know this already and were just stating facts, :) and I agree with you for the most part. The thing that SUCKS for me with overlay ads is that you don't know when they're going to come up, so as the content creator, when you go to font someone in THE LOWER 3RD OF THE SCREEN, some bullshit ad comes up over your title and the effect you were creating as art is completely lost. If that's the only time you mention someone's name/title in the piece, people are in the dark the whole time. Also, like you said, overlay ads of ANY kind destroy immersion, but like I said, it's about making your money back, not making art that is poignant and has the desired effect on the viewer that the artist (content creator) intended. Removing ads would defeat the purpose of doing the videos in the first place. (Again, having nothing specifically to do with boingboing) Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am glad jay and ryanne are back safe, I am glad that boing boing and others are trying to report thingsbutand for me it's a big butthe ads on the video piece from boing boing turned me offI mean, here are jay and ryanne talking about people being detained and how that they are basicly trying to get out of town before they themselves are detained and I get some upbeat rockin ad for, heck I don't even know but it just seemed sooo out of placeit detracted me from the overall message...maybe it's just me...but. Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: http://tv.boingboing.net/2008/08/25/boing-boing-tv-proti.html Last week, eight American citizens were detained in Beijing for participating in pro-Tibetan sovereignty protests near the site of the 2008 Olympics, with Students for a Free Tibet. Two videobloggers who documented those protest and guerrilla art installations evaded detention, and spoke to Boing Boing TV on Friday Beijing time about why they were there, what they witnessed, and why it mattered. Jay Dedman and Ryanne Hodson of Ryanishungry.com spoke to us over Skype from a hostel in Beijing. One of the actions they documented in photo and video was the hanging of an LED throwies light banner, below, which read FREE TIBET. We agreed to hold this Boing Boing tv episode until after we received word that they'd safely left the country. They have returned home, so I am posting the piece today. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Jay and Ryanne interviewed in Beijing on BoingBoing TV
Oh indeed I do know that is the nature of the biz but I can't help but think, maybe an ad for not smoking or maybe a company that is doing green or social things, etc...maybe that would have been a better fit than the ad that was on there...again I know the realility but for me this was the first time it really hit me...maybe it's because I know Jay and Ryanne, I don't know...but... Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear what you're saying, but bills have to be paid. I don't know anything about boingboing, so I can't speak for them specifically, but that's the game that's being played here. Get people to click on your video, get people to click on your ads, get revenue to pay people's salaries. There's nothing else going on here. It's like when you make a Ning community. You can make it for free if you leave the google ads on your site and lose the use of an entire sidebar... or you can pay Ning to make it worth their while to ditch the ads and let you use the sidebar. Lots of people choose to make free Ning sites and lots of people choose to watch free boingboing videos with whatever ads you saw on them. I know you know this already and were just stating facts, :) and I agree with you for the most part. The thing that SUCKS for me with overlay ads is that you don't know when they're going to come up, so as the content creator, when you go to font someone in THE LOWER 3RD OF THE SCREEN, some bullshit ad comes up over your title and the effect you were creating as art is completely lost. If that's the only time you mention someone's name/title in the piece, people are in the dark the whole time. Also, like you said, overlay ads of ANY kind destroy immersion, but like I said, it's about making your money back, not making art that is poignant and has the desired effect on the viewer that the artist (content creator) intended. Removing ads would defeat the purpose of doing the videos in the first place. (Again, having nothing specifically to do with boingboing) Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: I am glad jay and ryanne are back safe, I am glad that boing boing and others are trying to report thingsbutand for me it's a big butthe ads on the video piece from boing boing turned me offI mean, here are jay and ryanne talking about people being detained and how that they are basicly trying to get out of town before they themselves are detained and I get some upbeat rockin ad for, heck I don't even know but it just seemed sooo out of placeit detracted me from the overall message...maybe it's just me...but. Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: http://tv.boingboing.net/2008/08/25/boing-boing-tv-proti.html Last week, eight American citizens were detained in Beijing for participating in pro-Tibetan sovereignty protests near the site of the 2008 Olympics, with Students for a Free Tibet. Two videobloggers who documented those protest and guerrilla art installations evaded detention, and spoke to Boing Boing TV on Friday Beijing time about why they were there, what they witnessed, and why it mattered. Jay Dedman and Ryanne Hodson of Ryanishungry.com spoke to us over Skype from a hostel in Beijing. One of the actions they documented in photo and video was the hanging of an LED throwies light banner, below, which read FREE TIBET. We agreed to hold this Boing Boing tv episode until after we received word that they'd safely left the country. They have returned home, so I am posting the piece today. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Jay and Ryanne interviewed in Beijing on BoingBoing TV
hmm... I had assumed that Heath was talking about overlay ads DURING the program. I don't have a problem with pre-roll and post-roll ads of whatever type. They just have to be integrated properly with the subject matter. I say if pre-roll's going to be peppy and bouncy, get it out of the way in the first 3 seconds of the show, before the on-air talent sets up the piece. Then again, unfortunately, some groups don't burn their ads in directly. I forget what the name is of the service, but when I did my Indy Mogul episode, the plan was to provide two segments that made up the entire show, and the commercial in between was added by that program/service. I'll assume that's so the ads can be dynamically inserted. Anyway, like I said in the other post, it's the difference between doing art for the sake of art and doing art so that people will stop by and click on it and give you some ad revenue. hahaha It's only going to get worse from here on out! :D --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it was funny - just made me laugh at the advertiser - but yeah, i'm pretty amazed at the stupidity of advertisers, still making one-size-fits-all adverts, even little 5 second pre-roll ones. simplistic ideas of brand identity etc mean they can't get their heads around supplying a variety of different tones to be used depending on the content. without realising that this kind of use of your brand makes you seem like an idiot. they might as well have inserted the title sequence from The Hills. On 26-Aug-08, at 9:52 AM, Heath wrote: I am glad jay and ryanne are back safe, I am glad that boing boing and others are trying to report thingsbutand for me it's a big butthe ads on the video piece from boing boing turned me offI mean, here are jay and ryanne talking about people being detained and how that they are basicly trying to get out of town before they themselves are detained and I get some upbeat rockin ad for, heck I don't even know but it just seemed sooo out of placeit detracted me from the overall message...maybe it's just me...but. Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: http://tv.boingboing.net/2008/08/25/boing-boing-tv-proti.html Last week, eight American citizens were detained in Beijing for participating in pro-Tibetan sovereignty protests near the site of the 2008 Olympics, with Students for a Free Tibet. Two videobloggers who documented those protest and guerrilla art installations evaded detention, and spoke to Boing Boing TV on Friday Beijing time about why they were there, what they witnessed, and why it mattered. Jay Dedman and Ryanne Hodson of Ryanishungry.com spoke to us over Skype from a hostel in Beijing. One of the actions they documented in photo and video was the hanging of an LED throwies light banner, below, which read FREE TIBET. We agreed to hold this Boing Boing tv episode until after we received word that they'd safely left the country. They have returned home, so I am posting the piece today. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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thinking about it, the main reason it was so obnoxious was because it came after the intro soundbite from jay and after the boingboing tv ident, so it wasn't just pre-roll, it was inserted after you've already thought the episode was beginning. it wouldn't have been *as* bad (though still pretty inappropriate) if it had been the first thing you see before the real content began. i know you guys in the US are used to this kind of advertising on TV - credits, adverts, content, but it's pretty invasive and people in the UK would never stand for it. we even get to see the credits of the show before the adverts roll. ads are less hateful when they come before the show starts, and at natural break points in the middle and at the very end. On 26-Aug-08, at 10:00 AM, Rupert wrote: I thought it was funny - just made me laugh at the advertiser - but yeah, i'm pretty amazed at the stupidity of advertisers, still making one-size-fits-all adverts, even little 5 second pre-roll ones. simplistic ideas of brand identity etc mean they can't get their heads around supplying a variety of different tones to be used depending on the content. without realising that this kind of use of your brand makes you seem like an idiot. they might as well have inserted the title sequence from The Hills. On 26-Aug-08, at 9:52 AM, Heath wrote: I am glad jay and ryanne are back safe, I am glad that boing boing and others are trying to report thingsbutand for me it's a big butthe ads on the video piece from boing boing turned me offI mean, here are jay and ryanne talking about people being detained and how that they are basicly trying to get out of town before they themselves are detained and I get some upbeat rockin ad for, heck I don't even know but it just seemed sooo out of placeit detracted me from the overall message...maybe it's just me...but. Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tv.boingboing.net/2008/08/25/boing-boing-tv-proti.html Last week, eight American citizens were detained in Beijing for participating in pro-Tibetan sovereignty protests near the site of the 2008 Olympics, with Students for a Free Tibet. Two videobloggers who documented those protest and guerrilla art installations evaded detention, and spoke to Boing Boing TV on Friday Beijing time about why they were there, what they witnessed, and why it mattered. Jay Dedman and Ryanne Hodson of Ryanishungry.com spoke to us over Skype from a hostel in Beijing. One of the actions they documented in photo and video was the hanging of an LED throwies light banner, below, which read FREE TIBET. We agreed to hold this Boing Boing tv episode until after we received word that they'd safely left the country. They have returned home, so I am posting the piece today. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Jay and Ryanne interviewed in Beijing on BoingBoing TV
Well, like I said, I agree with you entirely. I was shocked enough just reading the twitter or link here or whatever that informed me that they had been over there AT ALL. I thought they were in the sticks somewhere making bread and not using plastic. When I read the link, I was like THEY could have been caught up in it TOO? :O. So, yeah, when I went to the video, it had extra import, gloom and doom for me because at the time they recorded it, they still could have gotten busted. Ads, of course, are going to pull me out of that feeling, so they're certainly unwanted... as far as the art of the piece. As far as what kind of ads they might have served on it, that's an interesting point. Unless boingboing does a consistently gloom and doom category of videos, there's no reason for them to have specifically targeted videos to specific videos. Like, there's no reason that their audience watching THIS video would have been different from the audience that watches the rest of their videos, whatever they're about. So while I agree that the ads could have been more in tune with the mood of the individual video, at this point, I don't think it's feasible to tell an advertiser We're going to do one solemn video out of 100, maybe... so pay us to advertise your product once in a blue moon. Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh indeed I do know that is the nature of the biz but I can't help but think, maybe an ad for not smoking or maybe a company that is doing green or social things, etc...maybe that would have been a better fit than the ad that was on there...again I know the realility but for me this was the first time it really hit me...maybe it's because I know Jay and Ryanne, I don't know...but... Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack billcammack@ wrote: I hear what you're saying, but bills have to be paid. I don't know anything about boingboing, so I can't speak for them specifically, but that's the game that's being played here. Get people to click on your video, get people to click on your ads, get revenue to pay people's salaries. There's nothing else going on here. It's like when you make a Ning community. You can make it for free if you leave the google ads on your site and lose the use of an entire sidebar... or you can pay Ning to make it worth their while to ditch the ads and let you use the sidebar. Lots of people choose to make free Ning sites and lots of people choose to watch free boingboing videos with whatever ads you saw on them. I know you know this already and were just stating facts, :) and I agree with you for the most part. The thing that SUCKS for me with overlay ads is that you don't know when they're going to come up, so as the content creator, when you go to font someone in THE LOWER 3RD OF THE SCREEN, some bullshit ad comes up over your title and the effect you were creating as art is completely lost. If that's the only time you mention someone's name/title in the piece, people are in the dark the whole time. Also, like you said, overlay ads of ANY kind destroy immersion, but like I said, it's about making your money back, not making art that is poignant and has the desired effect on the viewer that the artist (content creator) intended. Removing ads would defeat the purpose of doing the videos in the first place. (Again, having nothing specifically to do with boingboing) Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: I am glad jay and ryanne are back safe, I am glad that boing boing and others are trying to report thingsbutand for me it's a big butthe ads on the video piece from boing boing turned me offI mean, here are jay and ryanne talking about people being detained and how that they are basicly trying to get out of town before they themselves are detained and I get some upbeat rockin ad for, heck I don't even know but it just seemed sooo out of placeit detracted me from the overall message...maybe it's just me...but. Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: http://tv.boingboing.net/2008/08/25/boing-boing-tv-proti.html Last week, eight American citizens were detained in Beijing for participating in pro-Tibetan sovereignty protests near the site of the 2008 Olympics, with Students for a Free Tibet. Two videobloggers who documented those protest and guerrilla art installations evaded detention, and spoke to Boing Boing TV on Friday Beijing time about why they were there, what they witnessed, and why it mattered. Jay Dedman and Ryanne Hodson of
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Jay and Ryanne interviewed in Beijing on BoingBoing TV
I don't think they have to have different advertisers for different moods. Their advertiser just needs to provide maybe two or three different styles of their advert. And they don't even need to be that different. For instance, if the Crowdfire advert here had just been without that ridiculous upbeat rock guitar riff, it would probably have been a lot less jarring. So for normal fun BBtv pieces, they could use the rock riff behind the voiceover, and for pieces like this - and there are quite a few serious pieces, even just about China Tibet, on BBtv - they could use the advert without the music. But my guess is that they'd think that this interfered with their fun, upbeat brand, and that the integrity of this needed to be maintained even if its juxtaposition with serious content made them look like dicks. As here. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 26-Aug-08, at 10:20 AM, Bill Cammack wrote: So while I agree that the ads could have been more in tune with the mood of the individual video, at this point, I don't think it's feasible to tell an advertiser We're going to do one solemn video out of 100, maybe... so pay us to advertise your product once in a blue moon. Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Jay and Ryanne interviewed in Beijing on BoingBoing TV
It's funny I didn't even notice the ad's DURING the interview just the one's before and afterI was too distracked by the blonde to notice the overlays.. ;) Another thing that is funny for me, is that I have always been in the ad's arn't so bad campI know it's still the model and for the most part I don't mind them, I ingnore most of them actually...so for me to say ads are wrong here is to me a bit funny in itselfI really do think it's because I know Jay and Ryanne and knowing what could have happened and to be honest what could still happencause I am sure their names are on some list now in China Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, like I said, I agree with you entirely. I was shocked enough just reading the twitter or link here or whatever that informed me that they had been over there AT ALL. I thought they were in the sticks somewhere making bread and not using plastic. When I read the link, I was like THEY could have been caught up in it TOO? :O. So, yeah, when I went to the video, it had extra import, gloom and doom for me because at the time they recorded it, they still could have gotten busted. Ads, of course, are going to pull me out of that feeling, so they're certainly unwanted... as far as the art of the piece. As far as what kind of ads they might have served on it, that's an interesting point. Unless boingboing does a consistently gloom and doom category of videos, there's no reason for them to have specifically targeted videos to specific videos. Like, there's no reason that their audience watching THIS video would have been different from the audience that watches the rest of their videos, whatever they're about. So while I agree that the ads could have been more in tune with the mood of the individual video, at this point, I don't think it's feasible to tell an advertiser We're going to do one solemn video out of 100, maybe... so pay us to advertise your product once in a blue moon. Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: Oh indeed I do know that is the nature of the biz but I can't help but think, maybe an ad for not smoking or maybe a company that is doing green or social things, etc...maybe that would have been a better fit than the ad that was on there...again I know the realility but for me this was the first time it really hit me...maybe it's because I know Jay and Ryanne, I don't know...but... Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack billcammack@ wrote: I hear what you're saying, but bills have to be paid. I don't know anything about boingboing, so I can't speak for them specifically, but that's the game that's being played here. Get people to click on your video, get people to click on your ads, get revenue to pay people's salaries. There's nothing else going on here. It's like when you make a Ning community. You can make it for free if you leave the google ads on your site and lose the use of an entire sidebar... or you can pay Ning to make it worth their while to ditch the ads and let you use the sidebar. Lots of people choose to make free Ning sites and lots of people choose to watch free boingboing videos with whatever ads you saw on them. I know you know this already and were just stating facts, :) and I agree with you for the most part. The thing that SUCKS for me with overlay ads is that you don't know when they're going to come up, so as the content creator, when you go to font someone in THE LOWER 3RD OF THE SCREEN, some bullshit ad comes up over your title and the effect you were creating as art is completely lost. If that's the only time you mention someone's name/title in the piece, people are in the dark the whole time. Also, like you said, overlay ads of ANY kind destroy immersion, but like I said, it's about making your money back, not making art that is poignant and has the desired effect on the viewer that the artist (content creator) intended. Removing ads would defeat the purpose of doing the videos in the first place. (Again, having nothing specifically to do with boingboing) Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: I am glad jay and ryanne are back safe, I am glad that boing boing and others are trying to report thingsbutand for me it's a big butthe ads on the video piece from boing boing turned me offI mean, here are jay and ryanne talking about people being detained and how that they are basicly trying to get out of town before they themselves are detained
Re: [videoblogging] Use WGBH's b-roll for your election video
I'm late but wanted to also thank you. I am speaking at our local PRSA chapter tomorrow and will be bragging about your offer - I am thinking the tourism industry also might have access to lots of b-roll that independent artists tourists could use to help take over YouTube re the topic of Hawaii and travel. Mahalo nui loa and aloha, Roxanne On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Irina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thank you! On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:51 AM, WGBH Lab [EMAIL PROTECTED]wgbhlab%40wgbh.org wrote: Hey everyone, I know there are a lot of folks on this list who seem to be working on politically-themed content, so I wanted to let you know about something I've been working on that might help you all out a bit. I work for WGBH, the PBS station that makes Nova Frontline. For the past month or so I've been pulling footage from the WGBH Archives -- stuff that's related to the election, like b-roll of Washington DC and election newsreel footage -- and I've been digitizing it and categorizing it and whatnot. Anyway, now it's all online in high quality (640x480) and free to download from the WGBH Lab website. It's available under a Creative Commons license so you can't sell it or anything you make with it, but you can do pretty much anything else. http://lab.wgbh.org/sandbox/election Anyway, I just thought that might help out! This is only a small sampling of our Sandbox of many different types of clips, but this just seemed especially relevant right now. OH and let us know if you make anything cool! best, Brian Retchless WGBH Lab -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian Join us at the reef! Mermaid videos, geeks talking, and lots more http://reef.beachwalks.tv 808-384-5554 Video -- http://www.beachwalks.tv Company -- http://www.barefeetstudios.com Twitter-- http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Subtitling your videos
I wonder if it recompresses the resulting subtitled video. Oe does it simply give you its own flash player that plays the subtitles over the existing video? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This looks cool: http://subtitle-horse.org Subtitle Horse is a online subtitle editor to translate flash videos (FLV) and get the subtitle-code in different formats, like TimedText or SRT. A timedText file (which is supported by the JW FLV Player and Adobe FLV playback component) can be generated online. Just add your FLV file into the box and it'll let you add subtitles. Go here for an example for how it works: http://subtitle-horse.org/preview.php you can even integrate it into your blog/drupal page: http://subtitle-horse.org/subtititle_tool_cms_integration.php I haven't played it around with it in detail, but looks cool. can't tell if it's open source or not, but it comes from the indymedia video world. if it's easy to add this functionality to your blog...so anyone can help translate videos...that would be awesome. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Jay and Ryanne interviewed in Beijing on BoingBoing TV
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's funny I didn't even notice the ad's DURING the interview just the one's before and afterI was too distracked by the blonde to notice the overlays.. ;) That was my fault for ASSUMING you meant mid-roll overlay ads. I'm not aware that boingboing even USES those. I didn't mean to imply that there were any overlay ads on the Jay/Ryanne video at all. Another thing that is funny for me, is that I have always been in the ad's arn't so bad campI know it's still the model and for the most part I don't mind them, I ingnore most of them actually...so for me to say ads are wrong here is to me a bit funny in itselfI really do think it's because I know Jay and Ryanne and knowing what could have happened and to be honest what could still happencause I am sure their names are on some list now in China Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com That's the whole thing. Ads aren't so bad because the content people are watching has no depth to it. This was a video done by people that a lot of us have hung out with in person and understand their mannerisms. They were visibly shook in that video. It was compelling to watch and listen to them, ESPECIALLY since I didn't even know they had gone over there, so I got to watch it in the context of They didn't know if they were going to get out of China clean, AND they hadn't heard from Brian Jeff for three days. Just COMPELLING is the word, and it amplifies the contrast against the advertisements. As far as Rupert's suggestion of several versions of a commercial, you're asking the company to deal with three different music/dialogue/fx mixes (which is probably negligible for a couple of seconds worth of commercial), and you're also asking for human intervention when it comes to what version of the ad to run on which video. Most likely, they have an automated ad server and you're talking about added expenses without related ROI. I agree with the idea, as far as attempting to maintain the integrity of the art, but like I said, it's not about the art. It's about hits and ad sales. By the time you press play, they've already got you. Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack billcammack@ wrote: Well, like I said, I agree with you entirely. I was shocked enough just reading the twitter or link here or whatever that informed me that they had been over there AT ALL. I thought they were in the sticks somewhere making bread and not using plastic. When I read the link, I was like THEY could have been caught up in it TOO? :O. So, yeah, when I went to the video, it had extra import, gloom and doom for me because at the time they recorded it, they still could have gotten busted. Ads, of course, are going to pull me out of that feeling, so they're certainly unwanted... as far as the art of the piece. As far as what kind of ads they might have served on it, that's an interesting point. Unless boingboing does a consistently gloom and doom category of videos, there's no reason for them to have specifically targeted videos to specific videos. Like, there's no reason that their audience watching THIS video would have been different from the audience that watches the rest of their videos, whatever they're about. So while I agree that the ads could have been more in tune with the mood of the individual video, at this point, I don't think it's feasible to tell an advertiser We're going to do one solemn video out of 100, maybe... so pay us to advertise your product once in a blue moon. Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: Oh indeed I do know that is the nature of the biz but I can't help but think, maybe an ad for not smoking or maybe a company that is doing green or social things, etc...maybe that would have been a better fit than the ad that was on there...again I know the realility but for me this was the first time it really hit me...maybe it's because I know Jay and Ryanne, I don't know...but... Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack billcammack@ wrote: I hear what you're saying, but bills have to be paid. I don't know anything about boingboing, so I can't speak for them specifically, but that's the game that's being played here. Get people to click on your video, get people to click on your ads, get revenue to pay people's salaries. There's nothing else going on here. It's like when you make a Ning community. You can make it for free if you leave the google ads on your site and lose the use of an entire sidebar... or you can pay Ning to make it worth their while to ditch the ads
[videoblogging] TV Week Looking For Web Video Creators
Simple to enter! http://www.tvweek.com/blogs/trial-and-error/2008/08/seeking_top_web_vide o_creators.php Seeking Top Web Video Creators August 26, 2008 1:02 PM Who are the top Web video creators? Tell us! We are working on a feature story for mid-September listing and profiling the top Web video creators. We want to focus on creators, on-air and behind the scenes, for scripted entertainment content. Who is the best? Who should be on this list? Tell us what you think? Write in with a comment. Paul Armstrong (Manager of Consumer Corp. Communications) Profile http://www.myspace.com/britpabz | Blog http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAllfriendID=6696 4255 | Twitter http://twitter.com/munkyfonkey | RSS http://blog.myspace.com/blog/rss.cfm?friendID=66964255 T: 310-969-2129 | C: 323-397-3597 this email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [x] not happy if printed ON MYSPACETV...NOW : MySpaceTV PrimeTime http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofilefriend id=281211598 Paul Brogan - Olympic Rap! http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.viewfriendID=6696425 5blogID=407330254Mytoken=ABA1FCAC-8B75-495C-B339362AB2A533BB83449756 VOLARE - Super Mario Bros! http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=15003 103 Subscribe http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.channelchannelID=796 06699searchid=2512fd32-8e3b-4e66-b28c-cbdee5fcf846 of the Week : Epic-Fu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Jay and Ryanne interviewed in Beijing on BoingBoing TV
I don't accept those excuses on their behalf. My point is not about art, or they way the advert affects the way the viewer engages with the interview. I wouldn't expect them to give a damn about the effect on the aesthetics of the video their ad is inserted into. My point is about them not realising or caring how bad it makes them look. In this case, it's not an automatic ad server. It's an advert that's been edited in there by a human editor. If they think the human editor who's inserting their advert can't make a basic judgement call about which of two versions they've supplied - low key or upbeat - to insert into a low key or upbeat video, then they assume the editor is an idiot, and why are they allowing their advert to be included in that video at all? That's not an argument that stands up in this case. And in this case, the inclusion of that version of the advert made their product look cheap and shitty. That's the point. That's why they're so stupid. If they'd just given the editor a version without the music - not a big deal, given the money spent - it would have been fine. But that's not the way they think - probably for all the reasons you've given. So they waste their money, instead of spending a tiny amount more of their own time producing a slightly alternative version. Surely in the future, agencies will be smarter and wise up to the control they have over the context in which their adverts are displayed. If it were me, I sure would. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 26-Aug-08, at 1:57 PM, Bill Cammack wrote: As far as Rupert's suggestion of several versions of a commercial, you're asking the company to deal with three different music/dialogue/fx mixes (which is probably negligible for a couple of seconds worth of commercial), and you're also asking for human intervention when it comes to what version of the ad to run on which video. Most likely, they have an automated ad server and you're talking about added expenses without related ROI. I agree with the idea, as far as attempting to maintain the integrity of the art, but like I said, it's not about the art. It's about hits and ad sales. By the time you press play, they've already got you. Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Jay and Ryanne interviewed in Beijing on BoingBoing TV
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't accept those excuses on their behalf. My point is not about art, or they way the advert affects the way the viewer engages with the interview. I wouldn't expect them to give a damn about the effect on the aesthetics of the video their ad is inserted into. My point is about them not realising or caring how bad it makes them look. In this case, it's not an automatic ad server. It's an advert that's been edited in there by a human editor. If they think the human editor who's inserting their advert can't make a basic judgement call about which of two versions they've supplied - low key or upbeat - to insert into a low key or upbeat video, then they assume the editor is an idiot, and why are they allowing their advert to be included in that video at all? That's not an argument that stands up in this case. I see what you're saying. Agreed. If they're using burned-in advertisements, jacking up the flow of your show does make you look like you don't know how to produce, or that there's no EP on the project to veto poor decision-making. And in this case, the inclusion of that version of the advert made their product look cheap and shitty. That's the point. That's why they're so stupid. If they'd just given the editor a version without the music - not a big deal, given the money spent - it would have been fine. But that's not the way they think - probably for all the reasons you've given. So they waste their money, instead of spending a tiny amount more of their own time producing a slightly alternative version. Surely in the future, agencies will be smarter and wise up to the control they have over the context in which their adverts are displayed. If it were me, I sure would. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv I would, too... for sure. In the future, it will be different, because there will be more options and outlets for the same material so quality and immersion will make a difference in viewership and revenue. At this point, a lot of shows and now studios are the only game in town so there's really no reason for them to devote any more time, effort or resources into the little things that would make people appreciate their productions more, rather than turn them off. I still like your idea of versions of ads and applying the appropriate mood to videos that are somber or comedic or whatever ESPECIALLY if they're being burned in by human editors. On 26-Aug-08, at 1:57 PM, Bill Cammack wrote: As far as Rupert's suggestion of several versions of a commercial, you're asking the company to deal with three different music/dialogue/fx mixes (which is probably negligible for a couple of seconds worth of commercial), and you're also asking for human intervention when it comes to what version of the ad to run on which video. Most likely, they have an automated ad server and you're talking about added expenses without related ROI. I agree with the idea, as far as attempting to maintain the integrity of the art, but like I said, it's not about the art. It's about hits and ad sales. By the time you press play, they've already got you. Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: pouringdown on PBS?
Done 2. I am glad you submitted to this. Aloha, Rox On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 6:43 AM, pouringdownpix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fantastic. thanks, jan. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Done. Jan On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, pouringdownpix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all i certainly don't have the one to five million views per video of some of my esteemed list-mates. or the costumes. and sadly, i don't try for more than one emotion at a time. that's hard. sometimes, though, i try to show exactly what i'm thinking. very briefly. and sometimes, when i'm sort of lucky, it works. and this has given me great happiness. and sometimes in that happiness i remember the revolution at the heart of this stuff. put out in the world what you wish to see. consume what you wish to consume. if you wish to emulate other media forms, if you wish to simply make homemade versions of the stuff that's already out there, more power to you. but, i have a suspicion there's something more interesting to get at. which brings us, finally, to the point. i'm trying to get at something. and it might make it onto pbs here in new york. so go here http://www.thirteen.org/reel13/films/vote-for-saturdays-short and if you like it (some of you know it already) please vote. and maybe, just maybe, this tiny video will elbow its way onto the airwaves where it can toddle around noisily. with love, daniel __ www.pouringdown.tv Yahoo! Groups Links -- Jan McLaughlin Production Sound Mixer air = 862-571-5334 aim = janofsound skype = janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian Join us at the reef! Mermaid videos, geeks talking, and lots more http://reef.beachwalks.tv 808-384-5554 Video -- http://www.beachwalks.tv Company -- http://www.barefeetstudios.com Twitter-- http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] pouringdown on PBS?
http://www.thirteen.org/reel13/films/vote-for-saturdays-short Daniel from Pouringdown.tv has been very inspirational to many of us here on the videoblogging list since 2005. I really encourage people to vote to get his video on PBSmakes all videobloggers look good. I usually hate the voting systems on websites, but this one was just a simple click. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Subtitling your videos
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Renat Zarbailov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if it recompresses the resulting subtitled video. Or does it simply give you its own flash player that plays the subtitles over the existing video? http://subtitle-horse.org Good question. I havent played with it enough to know the details. There is of course http://dotsub.com/.but it would be nice to have an open source version of the same service. something that could be baked into your WP site and your own videos. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
