Re: [videoblogging] NaVloPoMo

2009-11-08 Thread Jay dedman
> I've been circling the web watching your videos and I'm enjoying
> NaVloPoMo and vlomo09 very much!
> I didn't feel comfortable putting my hand up for one of the thirty
> vlomo09 slots but I did want to play along. Like many of you, a video
> a day is too much so I asked my dad if we was interested in getting
> involved in a collaborative NaVloPoMo where we split the
> responsibility. He liked the idea and I threw up a website to capture
> our work on.
> You can follow our progress here:
> http://www.thepencilofnature.net/

I love that you and your father are making videos together. I can
barely get my faher to do email. you got him making art videos!

Jay


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Slow HD editing

2009-11-08 Thread Kath O'Donnell
I use VoltaicHD on mac for my HD videos, as the camera stores them as .mts
files so I need to convert before editing. (& I couldn't get mpeg streamclip
to do this) works well. though yes, it takes time & makes large files but
they convert down afterwards to smaller files. which is sometimes why I want
to just do sd with nokia n95 as it's much more convenient/quicker to upload.


2009/11/9 David Jones 

>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:59 AM, compumavengal
> > wrote:
> >
> > David J. I get it, you want what you want how you want it. I might have
> found an option that isn't gonna cost money to try the demo.
> >
> > VoltaicHD http://shedworx.com/voltaichd
> >
> > I haven't used this program so I can't attest to the quality. It states
> that it can convert to any Mac and PC option so it seems that you can
> import, light edit and export via .mp4
> >
>


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Re: [videoblogging] what happened to Jay dedman

2009-11-08 Thread Jay dedman
> actually we were trapped -the mudslides blocked the roads-in the mountains 
> and we spent the entire night ...shaking and under a heavy rain..cold to the 
> bones and in improvised tents ...there was no water, electricity and food 
> mobile phone signal were down ... we feared the worst ..couldnt sleep..and 
> early in the morning we went uphills followed by the farmers who also 
> survived but other ones died buried in their own houses... we left the place 
> since a flood was coming toward us...et etc..
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWxVNPrUDI0

I can only imagine how intense that experience was. As more people
have cameras, these kinds of experiences can be shared, good and
horrible.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Slow HD editing

2009-11-08 Thread David Jones
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:59 AM, compumavengal
 wrote:
>
> David J. I get it, you want what you want how you want it. I might have found 
> an option that isn't gonna cost money to try the demo.
>
> VoltaicHD http://shedworx.com/voltaichd
>
> I haven't used this program so I can't attest to the quality. It states that 
> it can convert to any Mac and PC option so it seems that you can import, 
> light edit and export via .mp4
>
> http://shedworx.com/voltaichd-howto has videos of the product in Mac format 
> but there is a PC version of the software program.
>
> The Sanyo Xacti 1000HD and a bunch of the consumer HD camcorders are listed. 
> This is a list of the supported camcorders 
> http://shedworx.com/supported-devices

That looked promising, but I just tried VoltaicHD and it couldn't even
open my Xacti MP4 files - very strange...

> You could try using Virtual Dub http://www.virtualdub.org/ and then download 
> the QT plugin.
>
> There is a discussion of it on a VideoHelp forum page.
> http://www.videohelp.com/forum/archive/mp4-remux-t368139.html

I've been looking at Virtual Dub, but it doesn't look like it does any
actual project editing

> There is nothing wrong with Virtual Dub. This could work if you use another 
> bit of software. Which isn't what you want.

Not really, I'm used to having the one package do everything in the SD
realm. At present I can edit my Xacti HD MP4's direct with Video
Studio X2, but there is of course the slowness issue, but it's
do-able, three blogs so far prove that it's almost workable...
And VS X2 can also export MP4's direct, but unfortunately not 1280x720
resolution. So it's almost the ideal package.
Looks like the (newer?) VideoStudio Express 2010 supports HD, I'll
have to give that a try:
http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/us/en/Product/1175263344580#tabview=tab1

> I'll keep a look out for a .mp4 editing/export program. In the meantime, I 
> think you are going to have to be open to the possibility that you will have 
> to transcode and possibly downsize the videos.

I am, once the single program holy grail avenue has been exhausted!

Thanks
Dave.


RE: [videoblogging] what happened to Jay dedman

2009-11-08 Thread Juan John Cardenas


 yeah Jay

 

actually we were trapped -the mudslides blocked the roads-in the mountains and 
we spent the entire night ...shaking and under a heavy rain..cold to the bones 
and in improvised tents ...there was no water, electricity and food mobile 
phone signal were down ... we feared the worst ..couldnt sleep..and early in 
the morning we went uphills followed by the farmers who also survived but other 
ones died buried in their own houses... we left the place since a flood was 
coming toward us...et etc..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWxVNPrUDI0

 

I was planning to make a short movie in DVD but couldnt get the right people 
for that project...so it is still there 

 

 

 
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> From: jay.ded...@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:32:58 -0500
> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] what happened to Jay dedman
> 
> > after surviving and videodocumenting the Sichuan earthquake  in China (I 
> > was lucky to survive-I was there in the mid of it ) .. I was the only one 
> > who filmmed it just when it was striking ..well a long story..my video was 
> > screened all over the world in most TV channels..
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5GSeNGy8LI
> 
> Wow. I hadnt seen this video yet. Amazing that you actually were
> recording as the earthquake was destroying. It is pretty crazy that
> you guys hopped on motorcycles towards the end. Indiana Jones-style.
> 
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Re: [videoblogging] what happened to Jay dedman

2009-11-08 Thread Jay dedman
> after surviving and videodocumenting the Sichuan earthquake  in China (I was 
> lucky to survive-I was there in the mid of it ) .. I was the only one who 
> filmmed it just when it was striking ..well a long story..my video was 
> screened all over the world in most TV channels..
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5GSeNGy8LI

Wow. I hadnt seen this video yet. Amazing that you actually were
recording as the earthquake was destroying. It is pretty crazy that
you guys hopped on motorcycles towards the end. Indiana Jones-style.

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Re: [videoblogging] what happened to Jay dedman

2009-11-08 Thread Rupert
I'm sorry - you're right - posted in haste.  She has posted from  
Peru.  I always associate her with Peru.

On 8-Nov-09, at 5:37 PM, John Cardenas wrote:

> heheh
> as far as I know ... our friend Pepa lives in Chile..well, close to  
> Peru and yes ,I usually read her posts in Facebook and twitter
>
> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Rupert  wrote:
>
> From: Rupert 
> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] what happened to Jay dedman
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 12:29 PM
>
> Pepa Garcia is in Peru
> http://pepa.tv
> http://pepa.tumblr.com/
>
> On 8-Nov-09, at 4:10 PM, Jay dedman wrote:
>
> > > ... now I am living and working in Peru as an independent
> > Photovideoblogger but missing China a lot
> >
> > Peru?
> > Are there other videobloggers in your country?
> > This is what Im talking about. Spread it out.
> >
> > Jay
> >
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> > http://twitter.com/jaydedman
> > 917 371 6790
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Re: [videoblogging] what happened to Jay dedman

2009-11-08 Thread John Cardenas
heheh 
as far as I know ... our friend Pepa lives in Chile..well, close to Peru and 
yes ,I usually read her posts in Facebook and twitter 

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Rupert  wrote:


From: Rupert 
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] what happened to Jay dedman
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 12:29 PM


Pepa Garcia is in Peru
http://pepa.tv
http://pepa.tumblr.com/

On 8-Nov-09, at 4:10 PM, Jay dedman wrote:

> > ... now I am living and working in Peru as an independent  
> Photovideoblogger but missing China a lot
>
> Peru?
> Are there other videobloggers in your country?
> This is what Im talking about. Spread it out.
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Re: [videoblogging] what happened to Jay dedman

2009-11-08 Thread John Cardenas
Peru?
Are there other videobloggers in your country?
This is what Im talking about. Spread it out.
 
 
## didnt have time to think about it...good remark Jay
 
after surviving and videodocumenting the Sichuan earthquake  in China (I was 
lucky to survive-I was there in the mid of it ) .. I was the only one who 
filmmed it just when it was striking ..well a long story..my video was screened 
all over the world in most TV channels..
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DnWV_lWF3M
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5GSeNGy8LI
 
after that nightmare...Sichuan,China was still shaking everyday ..the quake 
happened in May 2008 and I decided to fly to Peru to see my family,relatives 
and friends for a break..I landed in Peru in mid June 2008...and had a good 
break...then started to travel again...visiting many places in Peru...still 
living here
 
 
I have been traveling around the country video-photodocumenting this wonderful 
land(coast,mountains and jungle)... and didnt even think about other 
videobloggers in the country...I guess there are some of them but not using 
English I guess...just Spanish...
 
next week I will traveling againI have been invited to browse around the 
Jungle of Peru...one more time..Puerto Maldonado citynear  Pacaya Samiria 
reserve ... 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacaya%E2%80%93Samiria_National_Reservation    
...long trip...8 hours bus to Lima ..then flying to Cuzco city then flying 
again to Puerto Maldonado ... local governement wants to see a project of a 
"green friend" of mine of creating a Botanical Garden there...he has already 
rescued and recovered one in my local city Trujillo...so lets see if he is 
lucky...he invited me to photovideodocument this trip and support him with my 
cameras ... not being paid just helping the dreamers "green team" ...but of 
course they cover my entire trip expenses..transportation,accomodation,food...
 
also I will be searching for some evidence of the Harpy Eagle (critically 
endangered )...some locals reported that they  have seen a couple of them around
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpy_Eagle
 
 
an update of Juan Cardenas aka John Dkar -photovideoblogger life..
 
 
 
 
 
http://twitter.com/JohnDkarFilms
http://twitwall.com/JohnDkarFilms
http://www.facebook.com/johndkarfilms
http://www.youtube.com/JohnDkar
 
 
 



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From: Jay dedman 
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] what happened to Jay dedman
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:10 AM


  



> ... now I am living and working in Peru as an independent Photovideoblogger 
> but missing China a lot

Peru?
Are there other videobloggers in your country?
This is what Im talking about. Spread it out.

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Re: [videoblogging] what happened to Jay dedman

2009-11-08 Thread Rupert
Pepa Garcia is in Peru
http://pepa.tv
http://pepa.tumblr.com/

On 8-Nov-09, at 4:10 PM, Jay dedman wrote:

> > ... now I am living and working in Peru as an independent  
> Photovideoblogger but missing China a lot
>
> Peru?
> Are there other videobloggers in your country?
> This is what Im talking about. Spread it out.
>
> Jay
>
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Re: [videoblogging] what happened to Jay dedman

2009-11-08 Thread Jay dedman
> ... now I am living and working in Peru as an independent Photovideoblogger 
> but missing China a lot

Peru?
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This is what Im talking about. Spread it out.

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Re: [videoblogging] What is NaVloPoMo?

2009-11-08 Thread Jay dedman
> I had a quick Google moment and searched out the question "What is NaVloPoMo?"
> I found this story in Tubefilter News from November 2007.
> It's assumed it was mentioned in this group back then, but with a lot of 
> different people playing this time around, it's worth a read.
> http://news.tubefilter.tv/2007/11/27/what-is-navlopomo/

There arent many articles/posts about things the group has done. Tizly
TV was one of the few places to document. I think they recntly merged
with Tube Filter.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Slow HD editing

2009-11-08 Thread Jay dedman
> Honestly, Google it online - in almost every type of editing, there's
> some kind of preparation of clips.  It seems like an insane waste of
> time, I know - why can't the editing companies adapt their software so
> we don't have to do this whole extra step, when it seems so close?
> But at the moment, it's necessary.

This is why video editors are in such demand. I know the RED camera
demands a very specific "process" to prepare the clips to be edited
and then exported. If you know this process, then you'll have editing
work for the next 5 years.

As others on this thread have expressed, it feels like it should just
work. Import, edit, done. But many of us have struggled with various
workflows to make it simple. Unfortunately, it takes time.

It sounds like you have a good handle on the technology so please
research and test. You could very well find a solution that you can
share.

Maybe Apple will make a camera that records in a format that FCP can
edit. Vertical monopolies!

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[videoblogging] Re: Slow HD editing

2009-11-08 Thread compumavengal
David J. I get it, you want what you want how you want it. I might have found 
an option that isn't gonna cost money to try the demo. 

VoltaicHD  http://shedworx.com/voltaichd

I haven't used this program so I can't attest to the quality. It states that it 
can convert to any Mac and PC option so it seems that you can import, light 
edit and export via .mp4

http://shedworx.com/voltaichd-howto has videos of the product in Mac format but 
there is a PC version of the software program.

The Sanyo Xacti 1000HD and a bunch of the consumer HD camcorders are listed. 
This is a list of the supported camcorders 
http://shedworx.com/supported-devices 

You could try using Virtual Dub http://www.virtualdub.org/ and then download 
the QT plugin. 

There is a discussion of it on a VideoHelp forum page. 
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/archive/mp4-remux-t368139.html

There is nothing wrong with Virtual Dub. This could work if you use another bit 
of software. Which isn't what you want.

I'll keep a look out for a .mp4 editing/export program. In the meantime, I 
think you are going to have to be open to the possibility that you will have to 
transcode and possibly downsize the videos.

Sure more RAM is always good but if the current editing packages don't truly 
support the newer HD video formats then you have to go in search for workable 
alternatives. 

Eventually as more HD camcorders flood the market there will be complaints 
lodged at the video editing vendors. They will get their act together when one 
of the vendors figures out how to do it and then market to that population. 

I come in peace,

Gena

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Jones  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Rupert  wrote:
> > Amused as I am by you telling David H that he's off the mark, just as
> > he sounds like he's about to blow... (wait - 3, 2, 1, I think I can
> > hear him popping like Krakatoa from 7000 miles away)
> >
> > He's actually right.   MP4 - particularly H264 MP4 - are notoriously
> > bad to edit with.  They *look* editable, but they grind and crunch and
> > take forever to render and slip out of sync and won't be trimmed and
> > cause your software to crash.  Getting a faster processor won't help
> > you.  Even people with blazing fast Macs and Final Cut Pro can't cut
> > H264.
> >
> > So you *do* have to transcode them first.   It will speed *everything*
> > else up. It's one of the reasons I edit all my clips from little
> > cameras & phones in iMovie or Vegas.  iMovie converts to DV codec as
> > it imports - and in my opinion the absolute best thing about Vegas is
> > that it doesn't do any conversion - you put the clips in the timeline
> > and cut.  Which is why I recommended it to you.  Although there's
> > still a chance that it would have trouble editing big H264 MP4 files
> > because H264 is a bugger to edit.
> > Weirdly I had a conversation a bit like this - but the other way round
> > - with David H on Twitter about 2 years ago when I complained about
> > not being able to edit my point & shoot and phone MP4s in Final Cut
> > Pro.  Lots of other people were complaining about it - but David's FCP
> > was editing his MP4s fine at that point.   I think that was before he
> > got his Xacti - and Xacti files for some reason seem to cause more of
> > a problem than most.  In fact, I just remembered, one time I did have
> > trouble editing Xacti files on Vegas.
> >
> > Unless you want to try Vegas, you're going to have to transcode the
> > clips.  It's like taking things off tape - but you don't have to watch
> > & log while you do it - you can batch convert a bunch of clips while
> > you sleep or do something else.
> >
> > Honestly, Google it online - in almost every type of editing, there's
> > some kind of preparation of clips.  It seems like an insane waste of
> > time, I know - why can't the editing companies adapt their software so
> > we don't have to do this whole extra step, when it seems so close?
> > But at the moment, it's necessary.
> >
> > If your editing software won't output a good enough video file, that's
> > another truly unnecessary extra step - and one that's costing you an
> > extra level of compression.  Vegas (or Premiere) would be able to
> > export a good quality MP4 direct from your timeline.  Just download
> > the trial of Vegas and try it.  It's great.
> 
> I already said I *have* tried Vegas (Platinum) as recommended, and for
> the life of me I cannot find a way to output MP4 in 1280x720. If it's
> there then please point me to where...
> I've hardly used it, but I go to the obvious Make Movie output screen
> and it only gives me 1440x1080 or higher for Sony AVC which seems like
> the only MP4 option. Perhaps I'm missing the obvious?
> 
> If I have to convert first and editing 1280x720 H.264 direct is an
> absolute waste of time, then so be it. But really, with Video Studio I
> feel so close, I can't help pushing until I get it. Sorry if I seem
> overly stubborn, but also pleas

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Slow HD editing

2009-11-08 Thread David Jones
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Rupert  wrote:
> Amused as I am by you telling David H that he's off the mark, just as
> he sounds like he's about to blow... (wait - 3, 2, 1, I think I can
> hear him popping like Krakatoa from 7000 miles away)
>
> He's actually right.   MP4 - particularly H264 MP4 - are notoriously
> bad to edit with.  They *look* editable, but they grind and crunch and
> take forever to render and slip out of sync and won't be trimmed and
> cause your software to crash.  Getting a faster processor won't help
> you.  Even people with blazing fast Macs and Final Cut Pro can't cut
> H264.
>
> So you *do* have to transcode them first.   It will speed *everything*
> else up. It's one of the reasons I edit all my clips from little
> cameras & phones in iMovie or Vegas.  iMovie converts to DV codec as
> it imports - and in my opinion the absolute best thing about Vegas is
> that it doesn't do any conversion - you put the clips in the timeline
> and cut.  Which is why I recommended it to you.  Although there's
> still a chance that it would have trouble editing big H264 MP4 files
> because H264 is a bugger to edit.
> Weirdly I had a conversation a bit like this - but the other way round
> - with David H on Twitter about 2 years ago when I complained about
> not being able to edit my point & shoot and phone MP4s in Final Cut
> Pro.  Lots of other people were complaining about it - but David's FCP
> was editing his MP4s fine at that point.   I think that was before he
> got his Xacti - and Xacti files for some reason seem to cause more of
> a problem than most.  In fact, I just remembered, one time I did have
> trouble editing Xacti files on Vegas.
>
> Unless you want to try Vegas, you're going to have to transcode the
> clips.  It's like taking things off tape - but you don't have to watch
> & log while you do it - you can batch convert a bunch of clips while
> you sleep or do something else.
>
> Honestly, Google it online - in almost every type of editing, there's
> some kind of preparation of clips.  It seems like an insane waste of
> time, I know - why can't the editing companies adapt their software so
> we don't have to do this whole extra step, when it seems so close?
> But at the moment, it's necessary.
>
> If your editing software won't output a good enough video file, that's
> another truly unnecessary extra step - and one that's costing you an
> extra level of compression.  Vegas (or Premiere) would be able to
> export a good quality MP4 direct from your timeline.  Just download
> the trial of Vegas and try it.  It's great.

I already said I *have* tried Vegas (Platinum) as recommended, and for
the life of me I cannot find a way to output MP4 in 1280x720. If it's
there then please point me to where...
I've hardly used it, but I go to the obvious Make Movie output screen
and it only gives me 1440x1080 or higher for Sony AVC which seems like
the only MP4 option. Perhaps I'm missing the obvious?

If I have to convert first and editing 1280x720 H.264 direct is an
absolute waste of time, then so be it. But really, with Video Studio I
feel so close, I can't help pushing until I get it. Sorry if I seem
overly stubborn, but also please remember that everyone has different
requirements. What might be not usable/not possible for your needs
might be perfectly adequate for my needs.
In fact VS has moments when it lets me trim and preview without any
major problems, but this seems fairly random. So perhaps going from 2G
to 3G RAM will the trick for me. I also have not optimised my machine
for performance. If it can work *sometimes* then why not all the time
on a good/optimised machine/software?

Some people have mentioned you have to get a more "editable friendly"
MP4 codec, so that gives me further hope that's it's actually
possible.

I can't believe there is no one out there successfully editing
1280x720 MP4 directly, anyone?

I'm tackling this problem in two separate areas:
1) Basic editing of 1280x720 MP4 video
2) Direct outputting of 1280x720 MP4 video

Ideally I want a program that lets me do both with minimal work.

Thanks.
Dave.


Re: [videoblogging] Re: Slow HD editing

2009-11-08 Thread Rupert
Amused as I am by you telling David H that he's off the mark, just as  
he sounds like he's about to blow... (wait - 3, 2, 1, I think I can  
hear him popping like Krakatoa from 7000 miles away)

He's actually right.   MP4 - particularly H264 MP4 - are notoriously  
bad to edit with.  They *look* editable, but they grind and crunch and  
take forever to render and slip out of sync and won't be trimmed and  
cause your software to crash.  Getting a faster processor won't help  
you.  Even people with blazing fast Macs and Final Cut Pro can't cut  
H264.

So you *do* have to transcode them first.   It will speed *everything*  
else up. It's one of the reasons I edit all my clips from little  
cameras & phones in iMovie or Vegas.  iMovie converts to DV codec as  
it imports - and in my opinion the absolute best thing about Vegas is  
that it doesn't do any conversion - you put the clips in the timeline  
and cut.  Which is why I recommended it to you.  Although there's  
still a chance that it would have trouble editing big H264 MP4 files  
because H264 is a bugger to edit.
Weirdly I had a conversation a bit like this - but the other way round  
- with David H on Twitter about 2 years ago when I complained about  
not being able to edit my point & shoot and phone MP4s in Final Cut  
Pro.  Lots of other people were complaining about it - but David's FCP  
was editing his MP4s fine at that point.   I think that was before he  
got his Xacti - and Xacti files for some reason seem to cause more of  
a problem than most.  In fact, I just remembered, one time I did have  
trouble editing Xacti files on Vegas.

Unless you want to try Vegas, you're going to have to transcode the  
clips.  It's like taking things off tape - but you don't have to watch  
& log while you do it - you can batch convert a bunch of clips while  
you sleep or do something else.

Honestly, Google it online - in almost every type of editing, there's  
some kind of preparation of clips.  It seems like an insane waste of  
time, I know - why can't the editing companies adapt their software so  
we don't have to do this whole extra step, when it seems so close?   
But at the moment, it's necessary.

If your editing software won't output a good enough video file, that's  
another truly unnecessary extra step - and one that's costing you an  
extra level of compression.  Vegas (or Premiere) would be able to  
export a good quality MP4 direct from your timeline.  Just download  
the trial of Vegas and try it.  It's great.

Rupert

On 8-Nov-09, at 7:43 AM, David Jones wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:04 PM, taoofdavid65   
> wrote:
> >
> > Ok...listen...
> >
> > You use MPEG Streamclip to convert your video BEFORE you begin  
> editing it. NOT after.
> >
> > You use MPEG Streamclip to uncompress the MP4 files so that you  
> can edit them. You cant edit MP4 files. MP4 are highly compressed  
> and if you try to edit them, you're going to have problems.
> >
> > You use your editing program to export your video.
> >
> > Ok? Stop trying to edit MP4 files. Stop. Stop. STOP. STOP!!
> >
> > Now...go back and reread what Gena wrote you previously. She told  
> you what to do. You didnt care to listen then and I'm having doubts  
> you're going to listen this time.
> >
> > David
>
> Sorry David, you are off the mark.
> My current system can actually *almost* edit the MP4 files direct,
> I've done 3 blogs so far doing that but it's pretty annoying to trim
> the clips. What's wrong with wanting a slightly faster speed to make
> it tolerable?
> Regardless of what you or others have told me so far, I think it's
> entirely possible to edit 1280x720 MP4 files direct. Why do I believe
> this?, well, I've done it, and I'm currently doing it, I can taste it,
> so I recon I just need a faster codec/program.
>
> But you are telling me my only solution is to convert all the files
> first, edit the blog, render, and then reconvert the files again? No
> thanks.
>
> Yes, I've got slow editing due to using MP4 files direct, but that's
> only PART of my problem.
>
> The other main problem everyone seems to have overlooked is that I
> need a system that *outputs* MP4 files directly, this was my original
> request. My current Video Studio X2 doesn't do this, and neither it
> seems does Sony Vegas I just tried based on someones recommendation.
> So I HAVE to manually convert to MP4 after editing, that currently
> takes no less than 1 hour for my 10 minute blog!, and that has nothing
> at all to do with the slow editing part.
>
> I think my needs are fairly simple. I need a program that can
> reasonably edit 1280x720 MP4 files direct and can also output 1280x720
> MP4. That's it, nothing fancy, just trim some clips to length. I'm not
> trying to make a movie here.
>
> I will settle for batch converting the files first, IF I can get a
> suitable low cost editor program that can output 1280x720 MP4
> directly.
>
> Thanks
> Dave.
>
> 



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