Re: [videoblogging] Decline in posts to this group.
this list is a touchstone of vlogging wisdom and core communit for me i'm always here and i know a few ppl are always here for us no need for noise and chit chat to know we're here one day it may go away, but thats just life and things change :) first there was getv then vloggies then pixelodeon then wininnies then vloggercamp now getv+pixelodeon+winnies+vloggercamp etc etc :) On 6/19/08, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom wrote: Are people vlogging more, but posting less? Are people leaving the group? Like me, have you become a lurker, not a poster? I've become much more of a lurker. Did you loose interest in vlogging? Nope, just lacking the time lately... Or, just don't have the time to keep it up? Yup, that's it. :( I started off all gung-ho a few years ago, but with family obligations, job, etc. just don't have the time to vlog these days. Time crunch working full-time plus running a company, plus family, etc. leaves little time. I am still doing video stuff, just not as much vlogging. Which does sort of make me sad. I would love to spend a lot more time creating video. Pete -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Vlogging is evolving. What vlogging means to people outside this group is also evolving. Search for vlogging on You Tube. You'll note a) it is now a wildly popular form, and b) what is meant by vlogging on YouTube is very specifically first person, audience-addressed video, usually someone talking to the camera, sometimes someone talking to the camera with a more creative visual approach. What it is not is shows, series, conceptual approaches to serialized video, or many of the other things vlogging pioneers on this list have created and consider to be videoblogging. I remember when ambient became a mainstream term. The meaning changed drastically, and some of us in the electronic/noise music community had a lot of trouble accepting that what we thought of as ambient music was now r lumped in with stuff that seemed to be its antithesis or in some cases would be not even be recognized as representative of a form it had pioneered. Once a term mainstreams at that level there's nothing for it. In this case the change, if you think about it, is in some sense going in the opposite direction: a refining of the term that really does encompass the roots of the form. Some of the best stuff from people on this list absolutely meets this refined criteria. But some of the best stuff, including some of what we think of as the first important vlogs, doesn't. And mine certainly doesn't, fwiw. I suspect most people now believe vlogging started on youtube. I suspect there are fans of vlogging who have never encountered serial video on someone's own personal site. They go to one place for their (pixelated mess of) video, and that's that. They don't RSS and they never will. Most people who don't work or socialize in the tech world will never use RSS, just as they will never twitter or anything like it. Social media is a quick log in to facebook before returning to work after lunch. Video distribution is youtube video links exchanged via email or sms. This group is a remarkable resource and a remarkable group of people. Posts will ebb and flow. It's ok. But there is definitely not a reduction in the amount of videoblogging going on - there is, however, a change in where it's happening and in the cultural meaning of the term. It doesn't matter. The list will go on as long as it needs to, the real connections between people will survive. And the definition may be irrelevant now. Just make what you must make. Let other people define it, and ignore them if it bugs you. Video on the web is now common. It is no big deal. Maybe it was leave britney alone that did it, maybe it happened before - I suspect the latter - but vlogging, as defined by the YouTube world, is now a mainstream genre. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Decline in posts to this group.
Are people vlogging more, but posting less? Are people leaving the group? Like me, have you become a lurker, not a poster? Did you loose interest in vlogging? Or, just don't have the time to keep it up? I'm posting less, but editing more video. That together with working full time, going to school part time, being a full time parent, working on a few books, and dealing with our lovely US economy. BUT I'm still vlogging, lots of videos about the adventures big and small the boys and I go on @ http://www.TheRamblingLoggerhead.com. And even started the little one vlogging @ http://www.RyansKitchen.tv but it's tough fitting everything in. I think the decline in list traffic is natural. The mechanics of video blogging have gotten easier, those questions will fade. The purpose of video blogging is becoming more defigned so thost discussions will fade. And the legitimacy of video blogging is becomming more accepted by the world at large so that discussion will also fade. Still I believe that most are out with their cameras, or home in their editing software. -Chris http://www.TheRamblingLoggerhead.com
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Life gets in the way. Still make media, but almost exclusively with cellphone: video edited in camera, stills and audio podcasts. Each kind of media - with the touch of a button or two - makes it automatically to Twitter, my vlog and its RSS feed. Wham-bam. Thank you Ma'am. Mastered editing, etc., and find I just want to make media seamlessly, without losing my stride. In the meantime, found this videoblogging community of media-making folks who ultimately totally replaced the 'celebrities' from other peoples' fictional stories as people I admired but from an untouchable distance. Even though I work in the industry. Screw that. Now, am entertained, taught, saddened, made joyful, and enlightened by those media-making folks - most of whom I've met, stayed with or stayed with me. Celebrities are part of my life rather than escape from it. Videoblogging has added enormous sums to my human wealth. Scoble said it best and I concur. This was / is a tech space that - as we'd hoped and dreamed from the beginning - would become obsolete when the tools caught up to the job at hand. The tools are not quite there (we need better cellphone cameras for one), but WILL get there. Soon. What a ride! XO, Jan On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Christopher Bergeron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are people vlogging more, but posting less? Are people leaving the group? Like me, have you become a lurker, not a poster? Did you loose interest in vlogging? Or, just don't have the time to keep it up? I'm posting less, but editing more video. That together with working full time, going to school part time, being a full time parent, working on a few books, and dealing with our lovely US economy. BUT I'm still vlogging, lots of videos about the adventures big and small the boys and I go on @ http://www.TheRamblingLoggerhead.com. And even started the little one vlogging @ http://www.RyansKitchen.tv but it's tough fitting everything in. I think the decline in list traffic is natural. The mechanics of video blogging have gotten easier, those questions will fade. The purpose of video blogging is becoming more defigned so thost discussions will fade. And the legitimacy of video blogging is becomming more accepted by the world at large so that discussion will also fade. Still I believe that most are out with their cameras, or home in their editing software. -Chris http://www.TheRamblingLoggerhead.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Jan McLaughlin Production Sound Mixer air = 862-571-5334 aim = janofsound skype = janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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videos. I was watching that 4-part episode on Science Channel Internet Wars/Browser Wars, et al. They covered Youtube, Facebook, etc. The guy was saying: until the Technology becomes TRANSPARENT, it will not be accepted by the masses ( therefore make a ton of $$ for the entrepeneur) I think this is why video-blogging has not caught on on a _Massive scale_ ( why the mobile-media videos R. Scoble has mentioned is beginning to, via Twitter). But, Blip.tv has a deal with CNN for iReport (citizen journalism via cellphone), so...aren't they getting it done? I've delivered a LiveWebCast using cellphone videos sent to Blip.tv ( crossposted to Blogger blogs): http://07baja1000.blogspot.com http://07baja1000.blip.tv/ [ cellphone videos delivered to Blip.tv, over WiFi to my satellite- DSL equipped 4x4 van..you can see it in the background of the videos ] http://07bitdtt250.blogspot.com/ http://07bitdtt250.blip.tv/ [ cellphone videos delivered over the cellphone networks. Cellphone coverage is so good these days, you have coverage even in outlying desert areas ] After using Textamerica as my mobile-blog solution, I was TOTALLY UNAWARE of the Blip.tv mobile solution..until Jay Dedman told me about it!! So, if *I* have a perception problem, just think of Joe Average in the public. It's kinda like EV (electric vehicles), the public perception is of a clunky ugly thing. The Tesla Motors Roadster was designed to change the public perception (sex sells). http://tesla-roadster.blogspot.com So, the answer to video-blogging, is kind of sexy project to capture the publics imagination. Need a disaster (like Hurricane Katrina, Iowa flooding, etc) to showcase how mobile-blogging via cellphone (or satellite phone) can report the news. Textamerica.com did a deal with NBC, to showcase mobile-blogging 3. There's a lot of other things taking our time up, like Twitter and FriendFeed (a) some guy used his Blackberry to get on the Internet, make a post on an offroad racing BBS forum..from Baja Mexico!! Just to show you how interconnected we're getting, via cellphone networks. 4. (b) Those things are where we now discuss our video problems. I still lurk. Generally I'd rather talk about this stuff over on FriendFeed where more of the new media types are hanging out. I still like the forums/BBS, as a method to discuss topics. Robert Scoble Fast Company TV From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:37 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Decline in posts to this group. I've noticed that I don't get as much email from this group that I use to, so being really bored tonight I looked at the home page for this group to check on the number of posts. Seeing a large decline in posts over the last year, and being too much of a geek, I decided to plot the posts vs. months in a spreadsheet and graph it. The graph is at: http://tinyurl.com/5jcwgo Our monthly posts are now at the same level they were when the group started four years ago. So, a few questions come to mind: Are people vlogging more, but posting less? Are people leaving the group? Like me, have you become a lurker, not a poster? Did you loose interest in vlogging? Or, just don't have the time to keep it up? I started off all gung-ho a few years ago, but with family obligations, job, etc. just don't have the time to vlog these days. Just a few thoughts. All the best, Tom aka Irish Hermit [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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at a same-day delivery of videos (over iTunes) http://susy06.blogspot.com http://strings07.blogspot.com I was working with 1 of the organizers of Strings '07 (they were really tech-savvy, they were using QTSS to deliver lecture videos with 1-hr turnaround), they let me transcode their QT .mov to iPod compatible .m4v http://strings07thu.blip.tv They went as far as to send a followup email to conference attendees (many are famous physicists from Harvard, Princeton, Caltech, et al).. get a LOAD OF THIS. I got ZERO, I mean ZERO, responses!! You would think some of them would have said something. We were shooting for an online article with Apple, about how Technology (e.g., video-blogging over iTunes) is changing how Physics conferences is delivering content (Research or Public Outreach). We got a response from Apple, but I haven't followed up. I recently made a query to a theoretical physicist, they are saying we are reflective (book nerdy), don't like seeing pictures of ourselves. But, many physicists I approached (at conferences) for pics/interviews were very receptive/friendly. So, I just don't get it. I agree with the statement, that video-blogging has not caught on like text blogging. The Physics blogosphere is primarily text- blogging (very difficult to read, very technical), many of them have rejected my public encouragement to do video-blogging. However, a few have embedded Blip.tv Flash video player, most use Youtube embedded videos. I was watching that 4-part episode on Science Channel Internet Wars/Browser Wars, et al. They covered Youtube, Facebook, etc. The guy was saying: until the Technology becomes TRANSPARENT, it will not be accepted by the masses ( therefore make a ton of $$ for the entrepeneur) I think this is why video-blogging has not caught on on a _Massive scale_ ( why the mobile-media videos R. Scoble has mentioned is beginning to, via Twitter). But, Blip.tv has a deal with CNN for iReport (citizen journalism via cellphone), so...aren't they getting it done? I've delivered a LiveWebCast using cellphone videos sent to Blip.tv ( crossposted to Blogger blogs): http://07baja1000.blogspot.com http://07baja1000.blip.tv/ [ cellphone videos delivered to Blip.tv, over WiFi to my satellite- DSL equipped 4x4 van..you can see it in the background of the videos ] http://07bitdtt250.blogspot.com/ http://07bitdtt250.blip.tv/ [ cellphone videos delivered over the cellphone networks. Cellphone coverage is so good these days, you have coverage even in outlying desert areas ] After using Textamerica as my mobile-blog solution, I was TOTALLY UNAWARE of the Blip.tv mobile solution..until Jay Dedman told me about it!! So, if *I* have a perception problem, just think of Joe Average in the public. It's kinda like EV (electric vehicles), the public perception is of a clunky ugly thing. The Tesla Motors Roadster was designed to change the public perception (sex sells). http://tesla-roadster.blogspot.com So, the answer to video-blogging, is kind of sexy project to capture the publics imagination. Need a disaster (like Hurricane Katrina, Iowa flooding, etc) to showcase how mobile-blogging via cellphone (or satellite phone) can report the news. Textamerica.com did a deal with NBC, to showcase mobile-blogging 3. There's a lot of other things taking our time up, like Twitter and FriendFeed (a) some guy used his Blackberry to get on the Internet, make a post on an offroad racing BBS forum..from Baja Mexico!! Just to show you how interconnected we're getting, via cellphone networks. 4. (b) Those things are where we now discuss our video problems. I still lurk. Generally I'd rather talk about this stuff over on FriendFeed where more of the new media types are hanging out. I still like the forums/BBS, as a method to discuss topics. Robert Scoble Fast Company TV From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:37 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Decline in posts to this group. I've noticed that I don't get as much email from this group that I use to, so being really bored tonight I looked at the home page for this group to check on the number of posts. Seeing a large decline in posts over the last year, and being too much of a geek, I decided to plot the posts vs. months in a spreadsheet and graph it. The graph is at: http://tinyurl.com/5jcwgo Our monthly posts are now at the same level they were when the group started four years ago. So, a few questions come to mind: Are people vlogging more, but posting less? Are people leaving the group? Like me, have you become a lurker, not a poster? Did you loose interest in vlogging? Or, just don't have the time
Re: [videoblogging] Decline in posts to this group.
Are people vlogging more, but posting less? Are people leaving the group? Like me, have you become a lurker, not a poster? Did you loose interest in vlogging? Or, just don't have the time to keep it up? others spoke clearly on this. We started in 2004 talking about HOW to videoblog. the archives are interesting to read since you see that people were truly just making it up. getting video onto a blog was literally a hack. Now its easy, so no need to talk about HOW...though i agree that list list is a solid place if you have a videoblogging tech issue. we've made places like showinbox.tv/forum to discuss specific technologies. We spent a year or so talking about the business of videoblogging. it was interesting seeing all the money pouring into new companies offering videoblogging services. its still amazing to think that Youtube sold for 1.6 billion dollars. that excitement has died down. the hype is stale. Robert is also right that many people are using Twitter to post links. But as Andrew said, content content content. the technology is herenow what do we want to say? no more excuses. Id love to hear about videoblog projects that people are really responding to. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Decline in posts to this group.
Tom wrote: Are people vlogging more, but posting less? Are people leaving the group? Like me, have you become a lurker, not a poster? I've become much more of a lurker. Did you loose interest in vlogging? Nope, just lacking the time lately... Or, just don't have the time to keep it up? Yup, that's it. :( I started off all gung-ho a few years ago, but with family obligations, job, etc. just don't have the time to vlog these days. Time crunch working full-time plus running a company, plus family, etc. leaves little time. I am still doing video stuff, just not as much vlogging. Which does sort of make me sad. I would love to spend a lot more time creating video. Pete
[videoblogging] Decline in posts to this group.
I've noticed that I don't get as much email from this group that I use to, so being really bored tonight I looked at the home page for this group to check on the number of posts. Seeing a large decline in posts over the last year, and being too much of a geek, I decided to plot the posts vs. months in a spreadsheet and graph it. The graph is at: http://tinyurl.com/5jcwgo Our monthly posts are now at the same level they were when the group started four years ago. So, a few questions come to mind: Are people vlogging more, but posting less? Are people leaving the group? Like me, have you become a lurker, not a poster? Did you loose interest in vlogging? Or, just don't have the time to keep it up? I started off all gung-ho a few years ago, but with family obligations, job, etc. just don't have the time to vlog these days. Just a few thoughts. All the best, Tom aka Irish Hermit
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For me, a few reasons: 1.Videoblogging has changed. Many of the practitioners have gone to cell phones, or streaming video. 2.The idea of videoblogging never culturally caught on the way text blogging did. 3.There's a lot of other things taking our time up, like Twitter and FriendFeed (a) 4.(b) Those things are where we now discuss our video problems. I still lurk. Generally I'd rather talk about this stuff over on FriendFeed where more of the new media types are hanging out. Robert Scoble Fast Company TV From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:37 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Decline in posts to this group. I've noticed that I don't get as much email from this group that I use to, so being really bored tonight I looked at the home page for this group to check on the number of posts. Seeing a large decline in posts over the last year, and being too much of a geek, I decided to plot the posts vs. months in a spreadsheet and graph it. The graph is at: http://tinyurl.com/5jcwgo Our monthly posts are now at the same level they were when the group started four years ago. So, a few questions come to mind: Are people vlogging more, but posting less? Are people leaving the group? Like me, have you become a lurker, not a poster? Did you loose interest in vlogging? Or, just don't have the time to keep it up? I started off all gung-ho a few years ago, but with family obligations, job, etc. just don't have the time to vlog these days. Just a few thoughts. All the best, Tom aka Irish Hermit [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I still read a few messages here every week. And I still see this as the best place to come if you're just starting out in web video. The amount of expertise here is staggering. I'm actually confident that I could get a number of good answers to any problems I run into technically from this group. Especially the more hyper-specific issues like which codec/bitrate/framerate works best for screencapturing animation, or something like that. I haven't spent as much time here socially because of Twitter and Tumblr. I'd say 90% of the web video I watch in any given week is sent to me via one of those networks. It's a great filter. On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, a few reasons: 1.Videoblogging has changed. Many of the practitioners have gone to cell phones, or streaming video. 2.The idea of videoblogging never culturally caught on the way text blogging did. 3.There's a lot of other things taking our time up, like Twitter and FriendFeed (a) 4.(b) Those things are where we now discuss our video problems. I still lurk. Generally I'd rather talk about this stuff over on FriendFeed where more of the new media types are hanging out. Robert Scoble Fast Company TV From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:37 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Decline in posts to this group. I've noticed that I don't get as much email from this group that I use to, so being really bored tonight I looked at the home page for this group to check on the number of posts. Seeing a large decline in posts over the last year, and being too much of a geek, I decided to plot the posts vs. months in a spreadsheet and graph it. The graph is at: http://tinyurl.com/5jcwgo Our monthly posts are now at the same level they were when the group started four years ago. So, a few questions come to mind: Are people vlogging more, but posting less? Are people leaving the group? Like me, have you become a lurker, not a poster? Did you loose interest in vlogging? Or, just don't have the time to keep it up? I started off all gung-ho a few years ago, but with family obligations, job, etc. just don't have the time to vlog these days. Just a few thoughts. All the best, Tom aka Irish Hermit [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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This group was instrumental in helping to innovate the standards of delivering online video. However, I would argue, most of the conversation on this list had almost nothing to do with content production, it was mostly all tech talk. Its no longer about what you can do with the tech (e.g. look at me, I have video on my blog and I have enclosures in RSS feeds!), and now its mostly 'bout what you can do with it. Content. Content. Content. On Jun 18, 2008, at 9:30 PM, Adam Quirk wrote: I still read a few messages here every week. And I still see this as the best place to come if you're just starting out in web video. The amount of expertise here is staggering. I'm actually confident that I could get a number of good answers to any problems I run into technically from this group. Especially the more hyper-specific issues like which codec/bitrate/framerate works best for screencapturing animation, or something like that. I haven't spent as much time here socially because of Twitter and Tumblr. I'd say 90% of the web video I watch in any given week is sent to me via one of those networks. It's a great filter. On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, a few reasons: 1. Videoblogging has changed. Many of the practitioners have gone to cell phones, or streaming video. 2. The idea of videoblogging never culturally caught on the way text blogging did. 3. There's a lot of other things taking our time up, like Twitter and FriendFeed (a) 4. (b) Those things are where we now discuss our video problems. I still lurk. Generally I'd rather talk about this stuff over on FriendFeed where more of the new media types are hanging out. Robert Scoble Fast Company TV From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:37 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Decline in posts to this group. I've noticed that I don't get as much email from this group that I use to, so being really bored tonight I looked at the home page for this group to check on the number of posts. Seeing a large decline in posts over the last year, and being too much of a geek, I decided to plot the posts vs. months in a spreadsheet and graph it. The graph is at: http://tinyurl.com/5jcwgo Our monthly posts are now at the same level they were when the group started four years ago. So, a few questions come to mind: Are people vlogging more, but posting less? Are people leaving the group? Like me, have you become a lurker, not a poster? Did you loose interest in vlogging? Or, just don't have the time to keep it up? I started off all gung-ho a few years ago, but with family obligations, job, etc. just don't have the time to vlog these days. Just a few thoughts. All the best, Tom aka Irish Hermit [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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is of a clunky ugly thing. The Tesla Motors Roadster was designed to change the public perception (sex sells). http://tesla-roadster.blogspot.com So, the answer to video-blogging, is kind of sexy project to capture the publics imagination. Need a disaster (like Hurricane Katrina, Iowa flooding, etc) to showcase how mobile-blogging via cellphone (or satellite phone) can report the news. Textamerica.com did a deal with NBC, to showcase mobile-blogging 3.There's a lot of other things taking our time up, like Twitter and FriendFeed (a) some guy used his Blackberry to get on the Internet, make a post on an offroad racing BBS forum..from Baja Mexico!! Just to show you how interconnected we're getting, via cellphone networks. 4.(b) Those things are where we now discuss our video problems. I still lurk. Generally I'd rather talk about this stuff over on FriendFeed where more of the new media types are hanging out. I still like the forums/BBS, as a method to discuss topics. Robert Scoble Fast Company TV From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:37 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Decline in posts to this group. I've noticed that I don't get as much email from this group that I use to, so being really bored tonight I looked at the home page for this group to check on the number of posts. Seeing a large decline in posts over the last year, and being too much of a geek, I decided to plot the posts vs. months in a spreadsheet and graph it. The graph is at: http://tinyurl.com/5jcwgo Our monthly posts are now at the same level they were when the group started four years ago. So, a few questions come to mind: Are people vlogging more, but posting less? Are people leaving the group? Like me, have you become a lurker, not a poster? Did you loose interest in vlogging? Or, just don't have the time to keep it up? I started off all gung-ho a few years ago, but with family obligations, job, etc. just don't have the time to vlog these days. Just a few thoughts. All the best, Tom aka Irish Hermit [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
