[videoblogging] Re: Four Eyed Media Monsters
And net video wants an audience -- RSS and comments/Travel and audience. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/netvidtheory/message/13 http://tinyurl.com/n7qua -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Videos Want To Travel: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/netvidtheory/message/11 http://tinyurl.com/ndmgm ;), Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka mskitka@ wrote: emWhat's in a name? A videoblog by any other name would still have an RSS feed.../em - Kitka Shakespeare, 2006 A.C.E. To me videoblogging has more to do with the video being available via RSS... this is what truly sets it apart from regular video on the web. The blog is simply something that facilitates its distribution/broadcast. When it comes down to it, most of my viewers have never seen my web site/blog page anyways... at least 95% of my audience downloads Kitkast through iTunes/iPodder/FireAnt/MeFeedia/etc. Hencewhy I have aborted all attempts to place advertizing on my blog page! Kitka http://www.kitkast.com/ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: This is an interesting question. And it kinda goes to my own working definitions that I've expressed here before. I don't happen to believe that videoblogs are defined by content as much as methodology. A videoblog to me is simply video on a blog. That is video posted in a blog format, which is a regularly updated website where content is posted in cronological dated posts. It may or may not have an RSS feed, comments, a blog roll etc. But it always has chronological dated posts on a web page. Thus the name Web Log. The whole personal vs show thing to me is kind of a weird way of looking at it. The first blogs I read were political blogs and they most certainly weren't personal journals. I understand that the personal journals, that a lot of people understand blogs to be, are a genre of the form, but I wouldn't ever say that a defining characteristic of a blog is that it's personal. So to my thinking if a video blog is simply video on a blog then it's not necessarily personal. To me saying a blog or a videoblog is by definition personal is like saying TV is all sitcoms or all films are documentaries. A blog is a media form, and that form has genres, personal, political, artistic etc. The beauty being (which is kind of the beauty of the Internet as a whole) is that it's simple for any individual to do without much help or particular technical expertise, and that makes personal forms or genres possible. The other thing that I've been thinking about recently is if there is or isn't a difference between a videoblog or a video podcast. And this is what I've been thinking: if we accept the premise that a videoblog is simply video on a blog and we say that a video podcast is the same as a videoblog then conversely a podcast is the same as a blog. Well, we know that that's not true. What we know (or at least the way I see it) a podcast is simply multimedia distributed via a rss feed. So accepting this definition then a video blog can also be a video podcast, or not if it is video posted in blog form sans an RSS feed. Also a person can post video to the internet outside of the blog form but still deliver it on an RSS feed. This would be a video podcast that isn't also video blog. So if you accept these definitions (and I'm not saying that you have to) then what the people from Four Eyed Monsters are doing is not video bogging, but video podcastingsince they are primarily publishing video via an RSS feed sans the blog form. They do have blogs, but on Myspace, and that's not where their video feeds are posted. So those are my thoughts. It's not something that I feel is set in stone, but that's just where my head is at with it at the moment. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard BF richardb@ wrote: Old timers on this list are gonna love me bringing this up again. Newbies are probably going to love me even more for disturbing the mainstream media lovefest which seems to have taken over this email list in the past few months. I received some offlist emails about my Four Eyed Monsters post, which I really think should be reposted here, as they had much more information about the project, and offerred an alternate view to my naive opinions. If you emailed me, please CC it here, it will be interesting for others to read. But the question it poses is yet again, what is this list for? The simple answer is to help out new videobloggers. Which again begs the question ducking what is
[videoblogging] Re: Four Eyed Media Monsters
This is an interesting question. And it kinda goes to my own working definitions that I've expressed here before. I don't happen to believe that videoblogs are defined by content as much as methodology. A videoblog to me is simply video on a blog. That is video posted in a blog format, which is a regularly updated website where content is posted in cronological dated posts. It may or may not have an RSS feed, comments, a blog roll etc. But it always has chronological dated posts on a web page. Thus the name Web Log. The whole personal vs show thing to me is kind of a weird way of looking at it. The first blogs I read were political blogs and they most certainly weren't personal journals. I understand that the personal journals, that a lot of people understand blogs to be, are a genre of the form, but I wouldn't ever say that a defining characteristic of a blog is that it's personal. So to my thinking if a video blog is simply video on a blog then it's not necessarily personal. To me saying a blog or a videoblog is by definition personal is like saying TV is all sitcoms or all films are documentaries. A blog is a media form, and that form has genres, personal, political, artistic etc. The beauty being (which is kind of the beauty of the Internet as a whole) is that it's simple for any individual to do without much help or particular technical expertise, and that makes personal forms or genres possible. The other thing that I've been thinking about recently is if there is or isn't a difference between a videoblog or a video podcast. And this is what I've been thinking: if we accept the premise that a videoblog is simply video on a blog and we say that a video podcast is the same as a videoblog then conversely a podcast is the same as a blog. Well, we know that that's not true. What we know (or at least the way I see it) a podcast is simply multimedia distributed via a rss feed. So accepting this definition then a video blog can also be a video podcast, or not if it is video posted in blog form sans an RSS feed. Also a person can post video to the internet outside of the blog form but still deliver it on an RSS feed. This would be a video podcast that isn't also video blog. So if you accept these definitions (and I'm not saying that you have to) then what the people from Four Eyed Monsters are doing is not video bogging, but video podcastingsince they are primarily publishing video via an RSS feed sans the blog form. They do have blogs, but on Myspace, and that's not where their video feeds are posted. So those are my thoughts. It's not something that I feel is set in stone, but that's just where my head is at with it at the moment. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard BF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Old timers on this list are gonna love me bringing this up again. Newbies are probably going to love me even more for disturbing the mainstream media lovefest which seems to have taken over this email list in the past few months. I received some offlist emails about my Four Eyed Monsters post, which I really think should be reposted here, as they had much more information about the project, and offerred an alternate view to my naive opinions. If you emailed me, please CC it here, it will be interesting for others to read. But the question it poses is yet again, what is this list for? The simple answer is to help out new videobloggers. Which again begs the question ducking what is videoblogging? /ducking In recent months, reading this list you would be fooled into thinking that videblogging means video on the Internet. We have countless videoblog directories which simply aggregate RSS enclosures, we have videoblog aggregators which simply play video over the Internet, we have videoblog hosting providers which simply host video on the Internet, we have videoblog shows which are simply amateur TV series hosted on the Internet... the list goes on. Videoblog is a buzzword that most people seem to use to describe anything with video and the Internet. Others, like me, think it is more about the personal and all that it entails. So the gap between these opinions is still, after 18 months, enormous. The point of the recent Four Eyed Monsters discussion seems to have been how to use the Internet to promote your more traditional film, which I'd argue has jack to do with this list. On the vlogtheory list, arguably whose main job is to define videoblogging, we've basically given up discussing the definition, because nobody will change their mind about what they think a videoblog is. It's like walking into a party where everyone has their arms crossed and nobody is talking. Michael's Vlog Anarchy video was a great bird flip to definition, but this list is now a perfect example of why videoblogging needs to be defined, otherwise perhaps
[videoblogging] Re: Four Eyed Media Monsters
emWhat's in a name? A videoblog by any other name would still have an RSS feed.../em - Kitka Shakespeare, 2006 A.C.E. To me videoblogging has more to do with the video being available via RSS... this is what truly sets it apart from regular video on the web. The blog is simply something that facilitates its distribution/broadcast. When it comes down to it, most of my viewers have never seen my web site/blog page anyways... at least 95% of my audience downloads Kitkast through iTunes/iPodder/FireAnt/MeFeedia/etc. Hencewhy I have aborted all attempts to place advertizing on my blog page! Kitka http://www.kitkast.com/ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an interesting question. And it kinda goes to my own working definitions that I've expressed here before. I don't happen to believe that videoblogs are defined by content as much as methodology. A videoblog to me is simply video on a blog. That is video posted in a blog format, which is a regularly updated website where content is posted in cronological dated posts. It may or may not have an RSS feed, comments, a blog roll etc. But it always has chronological dated posts on a web page. Thus the name Web Log. The whole personal vs show thing to me is kind of a weird way of looking at it. The first blogs I read were political blogs and they most certainly weren't personal journals. I understand that the personal journals, that a lot of people understand blogs to be, are a genre of the form, but I wouldn't ever say that a defining characteristic of a blog is that it's personal. So to my thinking if a video blog is simply video on a blog then it's not necessarily personal. To me saying a blog or a videoblog is by definition personal is like saying TV is all sitcoms or all films are documentaries. A blog is a media form, and that form has genres, personal, political, artistic etc. The beauty being (which is kind of the beauty of the Internet as a whole) is that it's simple for any individual to do without much help or particular technical expertise, and that makes personal forms or genres possible. The other thing that I've been thinking about recently is if there is or isn't a difference between a videoblog or a video podcast. And this is what I've been thinking: if we accept the premise that a videoblog is simply video on a blog and we say that a video podcast is the same as a videoblog then conversely a podcast is the same as a blog. Well, we know that that's not true. What we know (or at least the way I see it) a podcast is simply multimedia distributed via a rss feed. So accepting this definition then a video blog can also be a video podcast, or not if it is video posted in blog form sans an RSS feed. Also a person can post video to the internet outside of the blog form but still deliver it on an RSS feed. This would be a video podcast that isn't also video blog. So if you accept these definitions (and I'm not saying that you have to) then what the people from Four Eyed Monsters are doing is not video bogging, but video podcastingsince they are primarily publishing video via an RSS feed sans the blog form. They do have blogs, but on Myspace, and that's not where their video feeds are posted. So those are my thoughts. It's not something that I feel is set in stone, but that's just where my head is at with it at the moment. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard BF richardb@ wrote: Old timers on this list are gonna love me bringing this up again. Newbies are probably going to love me even more for disturbing the mainstream media lovefest which seems to have taken over this email list in the past few months. I received some offlist emails about my Four Eyed Monsters post, which I really think should be reposted here, as they had much more information about the project, and offerred an alternate view to my naive opinions. If you emailed me, please CC it here, it will be interesting for others to read. But the question it poses is yet again, what is this list for? The simple answer is to help out new videobloggers. Which again begs the question ducking what is videoblogging? /ducking In recent months, reading this list you would be fooled into thinking that videblogging means video on the Internet. We have countless videoblog directories which simply aggregate RSS enclosures, we have videoblog aggregators which simply play video over the Internet, we have videoblog hosting providers which simply host video on the Internet, we have videoblog shows which are simply amateur TV series hosted on the Internet... the list goes on. Videoblog is a buzzword that most people seem to use to describe anything with video and the Internet. Others, like me, think it is more about the
[videoblogging] Re: Four Eyed Media Monsters
I think that in the simplest and most basic description one can use, this, in my opinion, is the definition of a vlog David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A videoblog to me is simply video on a blog. That is video posted in a blog format, which is a regularly updated website where content is posted in cronological dated posts. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Four Eyed Media Monsters
Net Videos Want To Travel: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/netvidtheory/message/11 http://tinyurl.com/ndmgm ;), Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: emWhat's in a name? A videoblog by any other name would still have an RSS feed.../em - Kitka Shakespeare, 2006 A.C.E. To me videoblogging has more to do with the video being available via RSS... this is what truly sets it apart from regular video on the web. The blog is simply something that facilitates its distribution/broadcast. When it comes down to it, most of my viewers have never seen my web site/blog page anyways... at least 95% of my audience downloads Kitkast through iTunes/iPodder/FireAnt/MeFeedia/etc. Hencewhy I have aborted all attempts to place advertizing on my blog page! Kitka http://www.kitkast.com/ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: This is an interesting question. And it kinda goes to my own working definitions that I've expressed here before. I don't happen to believe that videoblogs are defined by content as much as methodology. A videoblog to me is simply video on a blog. That is video posted in a blog format, which is a regularly updated website where content is posted in cronological dated posts. It may or may not have an RSS feed, comments, a blog roll etc. But it always has chronological dated posts on a web page. Thus the name Web Log. The whole personal vs show thing to me is kind of a weird way of looking at it. The first blogs I read were political blogs and they most certainly weren't personal journals. I understand that the personal journals, that a lot of people understand blogs to be, are a genre of the form, but I wouldn't ever say that a defining characteristic of a blog is that it's personal. So to my thinking if a video blog is simply video on a blog then it's not necessarily personal. To me saying a blog or a videoblog is by definition personal is like saying TV is all sitcoms or all films are documentaries. A blog is a media form, and that form has genres, personal, political, artistic etc. The beauty being (which is kind of the beauty of the Internet as a whole) is that it's simple for any individual to do without much help or particular technical expertise, and that makes personal forms or genres possible. The other thing that I've been thinking about recently is if there is or isn't a difference between a videoblog or a video podcast. And this is what I've been thinking: if we accept the premise that a videoblog is simply video on a blog and we say that a video podcast is the same as a videoblog then conversely a podcast is the same as a blog. Well, we know that that's not true. What we know (or at least the way I see it) a podcast is simply multimedia distributed via a rss feed. So accepting this definition then a video blog can also be a video podcast, or not if it is video posted in blog form sans an RSS feed. Also a person can post video to the internet outside of the blog form but still deliver it on an RSS feed. This would be a video podcast that isn't also video blog. So if you accept these definitions (and I'm not saying that you have to) then what the people from Four Eyed Monsters are doing is not video bogging, but video podcastingsince they are primarily publishing video via an RSS feed sans the blog form. They do have blogs, but on Myspace, and that's not where their video feeds are posted. So those are my thoughts. It's not something that I feel is set in stone, but that's just where my head is at with it at the moment. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard BF richardb@ wrote: Old timers on this list are gonna love me bringing this up again. Newbies are probably going to love me even more for disturbing the mainstream media lovefest which seems to have taken over this email list in the past few months. I received some offlist emails about my Four Eyed Monsters post, which I really think should be reposted here, as they had much more information about the project, and offerred an alternate view to my naive opinions. If you emailed me, please CC it here, it will be interesting for others to read. But the question it poses is yet again, what is this list for? The simple answer is to help out new videobloggers. Which again begs the question ducking what is videoblogging? /ducking In recent months, reading this list you would be fooled into thinking that videblogging means video on the Internet. We have countless videoblog directories which simply aggregate RSS enclosures, we have videoblog aggregators which simply play video over the Internet, we have videoblog hosting providers which simply host
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Four Eyed Media Monsters
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Four Eyed Media Monsters
Bill Streeter wrote: The other thing that I've been thinking about recently is if there is or isn't a difference between a videoblog or a video podcast. My feeling is that most of the people who come into the video thing via podcasting, which has leaned so heavily towards the show genre rather than the non-show genre will call it a video podcast and make shows, while others, maybe those who were/are just bloggers might identify more with the term videoblogging My 2 cents anyway... Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
