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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, joshuajcohen jos...@... wrote: 1) Limit on numbers - We wanted to limit the initial numbers of the IAWTV so we could create a nimble organization that in its inaugural years is capable of getting a lot accomplished. That includes designing an organizational structure that will address a lot of the online video community's concerns. In too many instances we've seen fledgling organizations buckle under the weight of their membership before they were ever able to really get off the ground. iawtv.org looks like a great start. I recognize many of the names and not all from this group. I understand agree somewhat, that limiting Who total numbers first invited in, allows for quicker organizing. Where size of membership will matter most is going to happen very soon though. Already New Media is the main focus of the studios production companies. A lot is happening as New Media relates to Union contracts. Some of it looks, at first read, to be reasonable and for the benefit of the Union members. But these contracts for the most part benefit the producer/distributor/production company/studio system more so than the writers, actors, crew etc. Buckling is going to happen regardless of size. Right now all might be hunky dory. I think though that bigger is better. Strength/Safety in numbers is going to give you a lot better an advantage, especially if you get to sit at the table to represent content creators (Producers). I think we have a great core group that's a well-balanced mix of independent content creators, executives, agents, and other creatives who are invested in the industry and its future. In the coming months they'll shape the way the academy grows and the induction process for new members. Content Creators should be titled as Producers unless they are employed/contracted by a Producer/Studio, given a script make no creative contribution. Otherwise, (if you read my post that preceded this thread) a content creator is likely to fall below the line on the budget, in the system, and left out of the revenue in the distribution chain. That being said, I would love to see more independent content creators represented as the IAWTV moves forward and if you have any suggestions on the types of, or specific people you'd like to see in the academy, please send them over. Oh yeah ... I got plenty of ideas. Can o worms your inviting in? Seriously though. Some on this list might protest I have been conspicuously absent, but I could bring a lot to iawtv.org] 2) International - Agreed, there admittedly isn't a whole lot of representation outside of the US at this moment, but hopefully that will quickly change (in fact, we're building in support for non-English language selections for next year's Streamy Awards). Having a little fun with this. I have no problem with international in the name. I have signed plenty of contracts that state the studio/production company owns my work product throughout the known unknown Universe. That (to me) seems infinitesimally more elitist to claim ownership of. Especially since we haven't been back to the moon for some time (he he he). 3) And to Jeffrey's point, ultimately the IAWTV is about providing legitimacy to and growing the web television space. I think an organization like this can have a much bigger voice than the sum of its parts and bring a lot more well-deserved recognition to the online video community as a whole, which I believe is good for everyone. The Web TV space has already been legitimatized. I'll refrain from using a word that rhymes to describe what you can prevent as an organization representing the interests of members. Moving forward, I also hope the IAWTV is able to accomplish a lot of what Jeffrey mentioned: best practices and labor standards and providing guidelines and resources for emerging talent. Definitely labor. Compensation, Pension, Health Welfare, Collective bargaining is a good thing to set minimums. It is important to know and base these on what the established unions, guilds associations have set work under. We all realize the IAWTV is a nascent organization within a burgeoning industry. If you have any suggestions on membership or roles you see that the academy could play, please get in touch. - Josh Thanks for the input invitation. I'd like to give this more thought first. _ Josh Cohen http://www.tilzy.tv joshuaATtilzyDOTtv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor thejeffreytaylor@ wrote: Big pet peeve of mine when US orgs call themselves international in word,
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hey rupert and all thanks for writing about this! ive honestly been too much up my own butt to write about it on here and i thought someone already did! so i dont know how much i told people, but i wanted to do something like this while i was at podtech, but as we all know, it didnt work out so i'm really glad that josh and jamison are organizing this i had NO idea who else was going to be a member of the academy until the list was published on the website last week, so i had no way to influence the membership list -- so thats a good thing to know since no one else did either :) its good to hear from josh that we can recommend members who we think should be on the list. i know i already have at least 5 people i'd like to see on that list, and only one of the people lives in the us. i'm very happy to see this organization take shape i'm happy to hear that it will become more international and representative of the web community. i also expect that documentaries will be a category next year? josh? On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Rupert rup...@fatgirlinohio.org wrote: Great - thanks for replying so thoroughly. I did wonder when I walked out of my sweaty dark basement office into the crisp blue mountain afternoon whether I'd veered from legitimate observation into snark, and I hope not. Like Jeffrey, I totally see the value and importance of this. If anything, a focal point for the web TV show industry is overdue. And it helps focus the mind on the idea of organising for non-commercial artists. On 9-Mar-09, at 5:15 PM, joshuajcohen wrote: Rupert - You bring up some great points and valid concerns. Let me try to address them: 1) Limit on numbers - We wanted to limit the initial numbers of the IAWTV so we could create a nimble organization that in its inaugural years is capable of getting a lot accomplished. That includes designing an organizational structure that will address a lot of the online video community's concerns. In too many instances we've seen fledgling organizations buckle under the weight of their membership before they were ever able to really get off the ground. I think we have a great core group that's a well-balanced mix of independent content creators, executives, agents, and other creatives who are invested in the industry and its future. In the coming months they'll shape the way the academy grows and the induction process for new members. That being said, I would love to see more independent content creators represented as the IAWTV moves forward and if you have any suggestions on the types of, or specific people you'd like to see in the academy, please send them over. 2) International - Agreed, there admittedly isn't a whole lot of representation outside of the US at this moment, but hopefully that will quickly change (in fact, we're building in support for non- English language selections for next year's Streamy Awards). Again, if Jeffrey or anyone else has recommendations for people who live outside the US who are dedicated to the space, please send those names over. 3) And to Jeffrey's point, ultimately the IAWTV is about providing legitimacy to and growing the web television space. I think an organization like this can have a much bigger voice than the sum of its parts and bring a lot more well-deserved recognition to the online video community as a whole, which I believe is good for everyone. Moving forward, I also hope the IAWTV is able to accomplish a lot of what Jeffrey mentioned: best practices and labor standards and providing guidelines and resources for emerging talent. We all realize the IAWTV is a nascent organization within a burgeoning industry. If you have any suggestions on membership or roles you see that the academy could play, please get in touch. - Josh _ Josh Cohen http://www.tilzy.tv joshuaATtilzyDOTtv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor thejeffreytay...@... wrote: Big pet peeve of mine when US orgs call themselves international in word, but not in deed. I'm willing to help in any way I can, and have lots of ex-US contacts, so anyone in charge please feel free to ping me. I understand that there's reps from international companies, but a big missing I see here is the independent creators from outside the US. They need empowering, too! In any case, I'm glad this is coming up. Commercial online video producers need legitimacy, best practice and labor standards in the face of traditional corporate hegemony. Traditional media execs needs to know that online shows are not cat pissing in toilet vids on YouTube. The community needs to develop guidelines, not a set of rules, that can help emerging talent create their own wins. And most importantly, commercial online video producers need to ensure that they're not relegated to being cheap labor just because they can do everything studios
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I read this as only one of the people lives in us and was momentarily quite freaked out. On 9-Mar-09, at 11:57 PM, Irina wrote: i know i already have at least 5 people i'd like to see on that list, and only one of the people lives in the us. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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haha, i wish someone lives in me! On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Rupert rup...@fatgirlinohio.org wrote: I read this as only one of the people lives in us and was momentarily quite freaked out. On 9-Mar-09, at 11:57 PM, Irina wrote: i know i already have at least 5 people i'd like to see on that list, and only one of the people lives in the us. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Anything that helps independent creators and/or people who are trying to leverage this new medium into something else, I say great!! As we know there are some really great people out there who are doing some good work and have worked hard to achive the success they have. Me, I will just continue to do my thing and not worry about all thatI vlog because I can Heath http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rup...@... wrote: Here's the kind of post that would have induced a feeding frenzy back in the good old bad old days here on the group. Like throwing an underling to the piranhas. In the spirit of that, I give you: The International Academy of Web Television http://www.iawtv.org/ Just launched last week, though no one mentioned it here. Members are voting on The Streamys awards which Josh Cohen announced a while ago here. The Academy was created by a cartel of the main web video news sites: Tilzy.tv, Tubefilter and NewTeeVee. They've published their inaugural membership list, featuring some of our friends from the group. Most of those you'd expect, who have popular shows, know a lot of people, do the social media thing well, and connect in real life in the right circles at meetups in NY, SF or LA (But not Scoble or Feldman or Ze Frank). Not just performers and show producers, but executives and talent agents. I'm not quite sure why the limit on numbers - other Academies have hundreds or thousands of members, and there are quite a few people I'd want to see on the list who aren't there, because they're either not commercial enough or not well enough connected - even though they have strong and interesting voices and ideas about web television and independent production. That said, I'm particularly glad to see WS in there. Although I clearly remember Quirk saying that awards were pretentious and pointless, and belong on the wall of real estate offices, so I hope you're not going to vote in the Streamys. (I nominated you). And so much for International - as far as I can see, the only even vaguely non-US representation there is Daily Motion's US representative and RDF television's US executive. Not even anybody from any other English speaking countries? That's just lazy - I wouldn't be so bothered by it if it wasn't called the International Academy of Web Television. If you're going to call it that, you've got to go out of your way to get some representation from other countries, on more than a token level. Anyway, now the media has an official organisation to talk to when they do stories about Web TV. So if the rest of us want to have a voice in media discussion of web video (its present state and its future), we'd better follow Jeffrey's lead and organize ourselves. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rup...@... wrote: Anyway, now the media has an official organisation to talk to when they do stories about Web TV. So if the rest of us want to have a voice in media discussion of web video (its present state and its future), we'd better follow Jeffrey's lead and organize ourselves. That's the sad and frustrating part of it. The media will indeed go to an outfit like that and scan down its roster to find out about web video. My main problem is that the awards are limited to episodic shows. The requirements: Any original production produced for broadband distribution with at least three (3) episodes released in the 2008 calendar year can qualify for consideration. The show must also be easily viewed and available online, either via a major video sharing site or unique URL. That would rule me out (boo hoo) because I make documentary web TV sites that mix text and video within a CMS such as in http://PinePlainsViews.com and http://Hestakaup.com. I just resent the fact that they cannot be recognized for outstanding achievement in web television arts and sciences because they do not fit into a confining and arbitrary model. That's not why I got into broadband TV, just to ape the networks and Hollywood. I've already been there, done that. Broadband TV can be so much more! The publicity, and some recognition, though, would help make my efforts be sustaining by broadening the audience. Stan Hirson http://PinePlainsViews.com http://Hestakaup.com
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Rupert - You bring up some great points and valid concerns. Let me try to address them: 1) Limit on numbers - We wanted to limit the initial numbers of the IAWTV so we could create a nimble organization that in its inaugural years is capable of getting a lot accomplished. That includes designing an organizational structure that will address a lot of the online video community's concerns. In too many instances we've seen fledgling organizations buckle under the weight of their membership before they were ever able to really get off the ground. I think we have a great core group that's a well-balanced mix of independent content creators, executives, agents, and other creatives who are invested in the industry and its future. In the coming months they'll shape the way the academy grows and the induction process for new members. That being said, I would love to see more independent content creators represented as the IAWTV moves forward and if you have any suggestions on the types of, or specific people you'd like to see in the academy, please send them over. 2) International - Agreed, there admittedly isn't a whole lot of representation outside of the US at this moment, but hopefully that will quickly change (in fact, we're building in support for non-English language selections for next year's Streamy Awards). Again, if Jeffrey or anyone else has recommendations for people who live outside the US who are dedicated to the space, please send those names over. 3) And to Jeffrey's point, ultimately the IAWTV is about providing legitimacy to and growing the web television space. I think an organization like this can have a much bigger voice than the sum of its parts and bring a lot more well-deserved recognition to the online video community as a whole, which I believe is good for everyone. Moving forward, I also hope the IAWTV is able to accomplish a lot of what Jeffrey mentioned: best practices and labor standards and providing guidelines and resources for emerging talent. We all realize the IAWTV is a nascent organization within a burgeoning industry. If you have any suggestions on membership or roles you see that the academy could play, please get in touch. - Josh _ Josh Cohen http://www.tilzy.tv joshuaATtilzyDOTtv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor thejeffreytay...@... wrote: Big pet peeve of mine when US orgs call themselves international in word, but not in deed. I'm willing to help in any way I can, and have lots of ex-US contacts, so anyone in charge please feel free to ping me. I understand that there's reps from international companies, but a big missing I see here is the independent creators from outside the US. They need empowering, too! In any case, I'm glad this is coming up. Commercial online video producers need legitimacy, best practice and labor standards in the face of traditional corporate hegemony. Traditional media execs needs to know that online shows are not cat pissing in toilet vids on YouTube. The community needs to develop guidelines, not a set of rules, that can help emerging talent create their own wins. And most importantly, commercial online video producers need to ensure that they're not relegated to being cheap labor just because they can do everything studios can with fewer people and less overhead. Cheaper is fine, exploitive is not. For these reasons, I really hope that the iawtv is a success. I think the thing we all need to realize now is that the medium is developing to the point that different genres are solidifying in online video content. This is a wonderful thing, and we need to ensure that we put the cheering on of people following their bliss at the forefront and put our I don't like this and our I wouldn't do it that way types of statements on the backburner. 2009/3/9 Rupert rup...@... Here's the kind of post that would have induced a feeding frenzy back in the good old bad old days here on the group. Like throwing an underling to the piranhas. In the spirit of that, I give you: The International Academy of Web Television http://www.iawtv.org/ Just launched last week, though no one mentioned it here. Members are voting on The Streamys awards which Josh Cohen announced a while ago here. The Academy was created by a cartel of the main web video news sites: Tilzy.tv, Tubefilter and NewTeeVee. They've published their inaugural membership list, featuring some of our friends from the group. Most of those you'd expect, who have popular shows, know a lot of people, do the social media thing well, and connect in real life in the right circles at meetups in NY, SF or LA (But not Scoble or Feldman or Ze Frank). Not just performers and show producers, but executives and talent agents. I'm not quite sure why the limit on numbers - other Academies have hundreds or thousands of members, and there are quite a few people I'd want
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Great - thanks for replying so thoroughly. I did wonder when I walked out of my sweaty dark basement office into the crisp blue mountain afternoon whether I'd veered from legitimate observation into snark, and I hope not.Like Jeffrey, I totally see the value and importance of this. If anything, a focal point for the web TV show industry is overdue. And it helps focus the mind on the idea of organising for non-commercial artists. On 9-Mar-09, at 5:15 PM, joshuajcohen wrote: Rupert - You bring up some great points and valid concerns. Let me try to address them: 1) Limit on numbers - We wanted to limit the initial numbers of the IAWTV so we could create a nimble organization that in its inaugural years is capable of getting a lot accomplished. That includes designing an organizational structure that will address a lot of the online video community's concerns. In too many instances we've seen fledgling organizations buckle under the weight of their membership before they were ever able to really get off the ground. I think we have a great core group that's a well-balanced mix of independent content creators, executives, agents, and other creatives who are invested in the industry and its future. In the coming months they'll shape the way the academy grows and the induction process for new members. That being said, I would love to see more independent content creators represented as the IAWTV moves forward and if you have any suggestions on the types of, or specific people you'd like to see in the academy, please send them over. 2) International - Agreed, there admittedly isn't a whole lot of representation outside of the US at this moment, but hopefully that will quickly change (in fact, we're building in support for non- English language selections for next year's Streamy Awards). Again, if Jeffrey or anyone else has recommendations for people who live outside the US who are dedicated to the space, please send those names over. 3) And to Jeffrey's point, ultimately the IAWTV is about providing legitimacy to and growing the web television space. I think an organization like this can have a much bigger voice than the sum of its parts and bring a lot more well-deserved recognition to the online video community as a whole, which I believe is good for everyone. Moving forward, I also hope the IAWTV is able to accomplish a lot of what Jeffrey mentioned: best practices and labor standards and providing guidelines and resources for emerging talent. We all realize the IAWTV is a nascent organization within a burgeoning industry. If you have any suggestions on membership or roles you see that the academy could play, please get in touch. - Josh _ Josh Cohen http://www.tilzy.tv joshuaATtilzyDOTtv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor thejeffreytay...@... wrote: Big pet peeve of mine when US orgs call themselves international in word, but not in deed. I'm willing to help in any way I can, and have lots of ex-US contacts, so anyone in charge please feel free to ping me. I understand that there's reps from international companies, but a big missing I see here is the independent creators from outside the US. They need empowering, too! In any case, I'm glad this is coming up. Commercial online video producers need legitimacy, best practice and labor standards in the face of traditional corporate hegemony. Traditional media execs needs to know that online shows are not cat pissing in toilet vids on YouTube. The community needs to develop guidelines, not a set of rules, that can help emerging talent create their own wins. And most importantly, commercial online video producers need to ensure that they're not relegated to being cheap labor just because they can do everything studios can with fewer people and less overhead. Cheaper is fine, exploitive is not. For these reasons, I really hope that the iawtv is a success. I think the thing we all need to realize now is that the medium is developing to the point that different genres are solidifying in online video content. This is a wonderful thing, and we need to ensure that we put the cheering on of people following their bliss at the forefront and put our I don't like this and our I wouldn't do it that way types of statements on the backburner. 2009/3/9 Rupert rup...@... Here's the kind of post that would have induced a feeding frenzy back in the good old bad old days here on the group. Like throwing an underling to the piranhas. In the spirit of that, I give you: The International Academy of Web Television http://www.iawtv.org/ Just launched last week, though no one mentioned it here. Members are voting on The Streamys awards which Josh Cohen announced a while ago here. The Academy was created by a cartel of the main web video news
