Re: [videoblogging] Re: Networks afraid of vlogging?

[Markus Sandy]

interesting graph, very misleading placement 

right next to a header that says "sharp increase" - but the header is
not referring to the data in the chart about video downloads and
watching, it's referring to the sharp increase in broadband adoption
(i.e., cable tv)

keep in mind that they only use two data points, but if you look at the
chart carefully it actually seems like things are increasing rather
slowly

the chart shows that in the last *6 quarters* there has been relatively
little growth in online video watching and downloading

so while it seems like things are exploding to us (and i think they
are), the data in that article does not seem to back that up






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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Networks afraid of vlogging?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Networks afraid of vlogging?

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and what happened to the send-to-friend feature? it used to be a flash overlay form and now its a horrible looking popup window... i find that so strange... at least format the form nicely.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Networks afraid of vlogging?

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I was watching a few videos on YouTube today and they were painful.

Lots of buffering and stopping...

Plus they were clips from network TV.

I'm glad the networks are putting more of their videos online 
themselves, although am not happy that SNL, MTV and Comedy Central 
require PC's for viewing ...


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Networks afraid of vlogging?

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Correct. You have to find something you like and then it's easy to find 
more like it. Same at myspace. Both sites are wildly successful.




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> That's what I was going to say. I haven't found much on Youtube
> worthwile much less consistantly entertaining. There seems to be a
> ton of garbage on there--teens dancing in their underware, lip
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>> my patience.  i'm desperate for a more curated
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Networks afraid of vlogging?

[robert a/k/a r]

Is quite simple actually. Both Youtube and Vimeo have implemented good 
UI features.

Some sites feel like dead ends, others you are always at crossroads.

Go log onto Vimeo, watch any movie, then glance around at the other 
movies linked on that page. It's simple, clear and, importantly, it 
works; Jakob knoodled-out an algorithm that works.

Youtube does it too. It's a good trick, it's called a well thought out 
UI. And as you probably know, good UI is rare.



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[videoblogging] Re: Networks afraid of vlogging?

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That's what I was going to say. I haven't found much on Youtube 
worthwile much less consistantly entertaining. There seems to be a 
ton of garbage on there--teens dancing in their underware, lip 
syncing crap like that. That's not to say that there isn't anything 
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> my patience.  i'm desperate for a more curated
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Networks afraid of vlogging?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Networks afraid of vlogging?

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WSJ today talks about Brightcove, big media and the adverts model:




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[videoblogging] Re: Networks afraid of vlogging?

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Here's one on youtube that I like:

http://www.youtube.com/?v=GComtrp3QPU

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> the hardest peeps convince to test a new product and youtube works for 
> me. Vimeo too, BTW.
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> For example, I found this Gaspar Noé piece youtube (prolly NSFW, is 
> somewhat explicit) earlier:
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> me. Vimeo too, BTW.
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> For example, I found this Gaspar Noé piece youtube (prolly NSFW, is 
> somewhat explicit) earlier:
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"Irreversible" created a controversy and stir when it played at
festivals before distribution.  He pushes boundaries into sexuality
and death with depth.

> Anyone explain why youtube (and vimeo) constantly entertain? Both have 
> a method for discover that works. That's valuable.
> 

Flash has strong advantages of near ubiquity and a rich development
language for developing features for connecting people across
different computing platforms (including mobile phones) for
distributing racy, humorous, compeling, etc. works.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Networks afraid of vlogging?

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Heh. Am just catching up on the ton of messages from weekend and see 
Calacanis also has commented, too, re youtube.



Methinks there's more to the youtube popularity. I'm probably one of 
the hardest peeps convince to test a new product and youtube works for 
me. Vimeo too, BTW.

For example, I found this Gaspar Noé piece youtube (prolly NSFW, is 
somewhat explicit) earlier:



Anyone explain why youtube (and vimeo) constantly entertain? Both have 
a method for discover that works. That's valuable.




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> ...
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Networks afraid of vlogging?

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I wrote a blog entry about this recently:
< http://www.joshkinberg.com/blog/archives/2006/02/nbc_sends_youtu.php >

Viral marketing is one thing... pirating another creator's content and
redistributing it as your own is plaigarism at best and infringement
at worst. YouTube is at fault here for not respecting the rights of
creators, whether that creator is NBC or my cousin filming his cat.
YouTube is in the wrong.

The truth is that NBC owns the rights to Saturday Night Live's
content, and no matter how funny, entertaining, or exciting the Lazy
Sunday video may be, it is NBC's property and their choice to decide
who may or may not redistribute such videos. Certain fair use rights
may apply, but there is hardly a case for fair use here. NBC has
rights, and I would defend those rights for them the same as I will
for any videoblogger.

YouTube claims thy serve over 15 million streaming videos daily. There
is no difference between YouTube distributing the clip to millions of
viewers or another TV network like CBS redistributing it. Its not as
though YouTube is pointing to the video resource elsewhere (where they
cannot claim liability), they are hosting and serving a copy of it
which by their terms of service YouTube technically "owns" (and thus
they own the liability). Of course, according to YouTube's terms of
service that clip should have also been immediately removed as it is
quite obviously a case of plaigarism (it has an NBC watermark on it).
YouTube failed to do its job here.

The only thing YouTube has going for it here is the fact that they are
not alone. The clip can be found on several websites and video
portals... including Google Video.

-Josh


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> would get too crazy and start promoting other shows, real crappy ones.
> Then what? I don't know. Perhaps they could climb out of last place.
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> > NBC's official response to YouTube is this: "We're
> taking a long and careful look at how to protect our content," said a
> spokeswoman, who added that the company means no ill will toward fan
> sites.
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> marketing, word-of-mouth marketing is what network marketing
> executives should be dreaming about, efforts which can coolly relaunch
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Your subject line is misleading.

This has nothing to do with vlogging. This is a case of copyright
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> I read an interesting article today about how NBC made You Tube stop
carrying a downloadable segment of a show that NBC also had as a free
download on it's own site.
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> I can imagine what fun "remixing" some of this commercial stuff
might be.
> 
> Here is just the beginning of the article:
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> NBC Needs To Fall Into Some Internet Marketing Cracks
> A media critique by Wayne Friedman, Monday, February 20,
2006 
>   NBC DOESN'T WANT THE HELP of strangers--especially
strangers who want to help promote its shows. 
> 
> Such is the case with YouTube.com, which offered up a
free download of a short "Saturday Night Live" sketch. NBC itself also
offers the sketch free on its Web site. But NBC told YouTube to give
the skit the heave-ho. 
> 
> Why? Perhaps this could lead to abuse. Perhaps someone
would get too crazy and start promoting other shows, real crappy ones.
Then what? I don't know. Perhaps they could climb out of last place. 
> 
> NBC's official response to YouTube is this: "We're
taking a long and careful look at how to protect our content," said a
spokeswoman, who added that the company means no ill will toward fan
sites. 
> 
> This is backward thinking. Buzz marketing, viral
marketing, word-of-mouth marketing is what network marketing
executives should be dreaming about, efforts which can coolly relaunch
shows, or tout quality--but underappreciated--shows. Viral marketing
may be imperfect--but it could be the answer in an age of
fractionalization"
>
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