Re: [videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration
Thanks, Steve. I was sure I saw that somewhere. However, when someone asks for documentation, I'm at a loss sometimes. I really was worried that I had made a mistake somewhere. Your paragraph is exactly what I was referring to. Now, if they have rights to use and transfer, etc., doesn't that make them co-owners of whatever you post there? Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Steve Watkins To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:33 PM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration Try this:http://www.youtube.com/terms.phpIts probably the following stuff from section 5 that Randolfe wasrefring to. Its enough to put me off, obviously they have to be giventhe rights to distribute the work or they couldnt function, butperpetual and sublicensable and transferable, hmm thats going a bitfar, they can pretty much do what they like with peoples videos. Also'through any media channels' suggests they can in theory take yourvideos and show them on TV etc without giving you a dime:"For clarity, you shall retain all of your ownership rights in yourUser Submissions. However, by submitting the User Submissions toYouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, fullypaid-up, royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual, sublicenseable andtransferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivativeworks of, display, perform and otherwise exploit the User Submissionsin connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and itssuccessor's) business, including without limitation for promoting andredistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivativeworks thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels.You also hereby grant each user of the YouTube Website a non-exclusivelicense to access your User Submissions through the Website, and touse, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display andperform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionalityof the Website and under these Terms of Service"As for Randolfes other complaint about family friendly / obscenitystuff, thats pretty standard terms & conditions for most webhosts orserver provider, it doesnt actually mean they will filter out adult orslightly objectionable stuff, it just gives them the right to do so ifthey fel they have to.Steve of Elbows--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Randolfe,> I just went to the YouTube website, to see where you formed this > impression, and did not see anything about their owning of content.> > Can you provide a link to a URL that explains their policy on uploaded > videos?> Thank you,> --Steve> > > On Nov 22, 2005, at 11:48 AM, Randolfe Wicker wrote:> > > Bev, I have the impression that YouTube "owns" your work once youpost > > it there.> > --Steve> -- > Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com> Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com> Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com> > Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution.> SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration
For comparison, Ourmedia and Blip just follow the terms of the license you attach to your work. They don't claim any additional rights. Verdi -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com R&D: http://graymattergravy.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org On Nov 22, 2005, at 1:33 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: > Try this: > > http://www.youtube.com/terms.php > > Its probably the following stuff from section 5 that Randolfe was > refring to. Its enough to put me off, obviously they have to be given > the rights to distribute the work or they couldnt function, but > perpetual and sublicensable and transferable, hmm thats going a bit > far, they can pretty much do what they like with peoples videos. Also > 'through any media channels' suggests they can in theory take your > videos and show them on TV etc without giving you a dime: > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration
Try this: http://www.youtube.com/terms.php Its probably the following stuff from section 5 that Randolfe was refring to. Its enough to put me off, obviously they have to be given the rights to distribute the work or they couldnt function, but perpetual and sublicensable and transferable, hmm thats going a bit far, they can pretty much do what they like with peoples videos. Also 'through any media channels' suggests they can in theory take your videos and show them on TV etc without giving you a dime: "For clarity, you shall retain all of your ownership rights in your User Submissions. However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, fully paid-up, royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, perform and otherwise exploit the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. You also hereby grant each user of the YouTube Website a non-exclusive license to access your User Submissions through the Website, and to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display and perform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality of the Website and under these Terms of Service" As for Randolfes other complaint about family friendly / obscenity stuff, thats pretty standard terms & conditions for most webhosts or server provider, it doesnt actually mean they will filter out adult or slightly objectionable stuff, it just gives them the right to do so if they fel they have to. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Randolfe, > I just went to the YouTube website, to see where you formed this > impression, and did not see anything about their owning of content. > > Can you provide a link to a URL that explains their policy on uploaded > videos? > Thank you, > --Steve > > > On Nov 22, 2005, at 11:48 AM, Randolfe Wicker wrote: > > > Bev, I have the impression that YouTube "owns" your work once you post > > it there. > > --Steve > -- > Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com > Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com > Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com > > Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration
Bev and Gena, I encourage you to keep this discussion on the list, as I'm sure a lot of us can learn from it. All this format stuff is confusing to me too. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Gena" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Bev, > > I would like to say a bunch of stuff but I'm in a computer lab > waiting for my class to start. > > There are times when it does get a little thick around here. Certain > discussions I actually stay out of because I sense the topic isn't > about vlogging per say but chest beating. Since I have stuff on my > chest I try not to do that too often. ;-) > > The file format situation is a fustration with me too, having to > create in multiple video formats. I don't always have time or the > energy to do it the way I want it done. But the reality is that there > are a majority of windows users but many vloggers us Macs and > Quicktime. > > God helps when the Linux folks show up at the door. > > Anyway I just wanted to say I hear you and that I'd like to follow up > later after I get home. Please feel free to e-mail me and lets see > what we can come up with. > > Gena > *** > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "BevSykes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I really rarely read this group any more because (a) you are all so > far above my head now that I can't keep up, and (b) I suspect I"ve > become a thorn in many sides since I now rarely receive any response > at all. > > > > But my big frustration is in trying to find a format. Any format. > I started posting in .wmv but people couldn't see that and I was told > that QuickTime was the way to go, so I started posting in QuickTime. > Then I was told that QuickTime couldn't be loaded onto the new iPods > and I should use 3ivx, which I did. Now some people complaint that > they can't see those. I post to both Blip and YouTube. You Tube > uses flash. Some can see it, some can't. Nerissa helped me with > creating imbedded players on my site, which some complain can't be > seen. Then Robert very kindly took a video for me and converted it > into two flash formats, one of which I can't see. I've upgraded my > windows media viewer. I've upgraded my flash format and though I > have no problem viewing the videos most of you guys post, my own > videos can be seen by some, not by all. > > > > For the average, run of the mill, senior citizen who just wants to > watch a video and not get into video blogging, etcwhat is the > best way to go? I belong to Senior Net and people are enthusiastic > about seeing my videos, but cannot see either 3ivx or YouTube's > flash. My boss wants me to put a video on his web page, which I did > in several formats, none of which he is able to access from his > computer. > > > > I have studied all of Josh's excellent training videos and tried > everything and nothing works consistently. > > > > I am so confused and so frustrated. It's not like I'm posting > anything terribly creative or important or anything else. And my god > have I learned a lot in the past six months, but at every turn I come > up against another brick wall when someone says "I tried, but I can't > view your videos." > > > > -- > > Bev > > Blog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/ > > Journal: http://funnytheworld.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration
Hi Bev, I would like to say a bunch of stuff but I'm in a computer lab waiting for my class to start. There are times when it does get a little thick around here. Certain discussions I actually stay out of because I sense the topic isn't about vlogging per say but chest beating. Since I have stuff on my chest I try not to do that too often. ;-) The file format situation is a fustration with me too, having to create in multiple video formats. I don't always have time or the energy to do it the way I want it done. But the reality is that there are a majority of windows users but many vloggers us Macs and Quicktime. God helps when the Linux folks show up at the door. Anyway I just wanted to say I hear you and that I'd like to follow up later after I get home. Please feel free to e-mail me and lets see what we can come up with. Gena *** --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "BevSykes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I really rarely read this group any more because (a) you are all so far above my head now that I can't keep up, and (b) I suspect I"ve become a thorn in many sides since I now rarely receive any response at all. > > But my big frustration is in trying to find a format. Any format. I started posting in .wmv but people couldn't see that and I was told that QuickTime was the way to go, so I started posting in QuickTime. Then I was told that QuickTime couldn't be loaded onto the new iPods and I should use 3ivx, which I did. Now some people complaint that they can't see those. I post to both Blip and YouTube. You Tube uses flash. Some can see it, some can't. Nerissa helped me with creating imbedded players on my site, which some complain can't be seen. Then Robert very kindly took a video for me and converted it into two flash formats, one of which I can't see. I've upgraded my windows media viewer. I've upgraded my flash format and though I have no problem viewing the videos most of you guys post, my own videos can be seen by some, not by all. > > For the average, run of the mill, senior citizen who just wants to watch a video and not get into video blogging, etcwhat is the best way to go? I belong to Senior Net and people are enthusiastic about seeing my videos, but cannot see either 3ivx or YouTube's flash. My boss wants me to put a video on his web page, which I did in several formats, none of which he is able to access from his computer. > > I have studied all of Josh's excellent training videos and tried everything and nothing works consistently. > > I am so confused and so frustrated. It's not like I'm posting anything terribly creative or important or anything else. And my god have I learned a lot in the past six months, but at every turn I come up against another brick wall when someone says "I tried, but I can't view your videos." > > -- > Bev > Blog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/ > Journal: http://funnytheworld.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration
I'm not a big fan of the new Google Reader, but I think it is important to offer a 1-click subscribe button for it since Google is beloved by most Internet users. It is my assumption that average users are more likely to relate to a Google link than a Bloglines or Yahoo. Personally, I offer links to each along with a direct FeedBurner link. Here is the Google Reader code... http://www.google.com/reader/preview/*/feed/http://feeds.feedburner.com/ridertech Oh, I also noticed an increase in iTunes subscribers when I changed my FeedBurner layout to the "Podcast" theme rather than the "ClearFeed" theme. The Podcast theme offers a 1-click subscribe for iTunes. -Matt --- http://ridertech.com http://leanbackvids.com http://vlogmap.org --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "BevSykes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Has anybody tried the google reader? I'm finding it much easier to use than FireAnt, though it is much less versatile, I realize, but it seems to be the nice plain-vanilla tool that works for me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration
Thanks for the link Erin. I've bookmarked it and hope to check it out when I have more time. -- BevBlog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/Journal: http://funnytheworld.com - Original Message - From: Erin Nealey To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration Hope this isn't too far off the topic of the thread.. but there isindeed a forum over at vlogdir.com. I, for one, think it would bereally cool to use that as a means of communication as well.Organizing messages into different topics makes it easier to find ananswer to a question you may have, rather than searching throughthousands of messages. A lot of things get covered several times herebecause people have not seen the previous discussions. Unfortunately,not all that many people have taken advantage of it. You can evenembed video, audio, images as well as media enclosures from rss feedsright into your messages making it possible to have video discussions. http://vlogdir.com//forum/index.phpErin NealeyMom's Brag Vlognealey.blogspot.com> The high volume of traffic on the list is a nightmare, I occasionally> harp on about forums as an alternative, but no alternative to this> list seems to have attracted many people to talk as much as is done> here. Its a shame because a lot less stuff would be ignored if this> place was a forum, people would be able to respond to links with a one> word prely such as 'cool' without fear of anybody moaning, and the> original poster would have some feedback and a warm glow inside. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration
>>Id be happy to look at any of your examples of videos that arentworking right for some people, in whatever format, to see if I cananswer the specific problems in your case. Personally if I was makinga site that should be easily accessible to all, id use flash video forpeople using browser, and have .mp4 versions of the videos availablevia feed. << Thanks for the offer, Steve. I find that I'm starting to continue to post the 3ivx to Blip and the same to YouTube, with a link from my vlog. I figure that way I hope to maximize the potential. Of course this is all pretty much a tempest in a teapot since I have only a whopping SEVEN people subscribing the the RSS feed, so I'm not quite Rocketboom yet! -- BevBlog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/Journal: http://funnytheworld.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration
Thanks to you (and to every one) for the clear, concise explanation of where we are and what is the best thing to do. I appreciate if very much. -- BevBlog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/Journal: http://funnytheworld.com - Original Message - From: anonperson1969 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:28 PM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration The biggest problem with ANY video is that there is no consistancy. There are multiple file formats (wmv, avi, mpg, mov, etc) and multiple CODECS within each of those file formats (mp4, 3ivx, xvid, divx, etc)... and NONE of them have become common.Audio is pretty firmly entrenched in MP3s, and that won't be changing anytime soon... no matter what anyone thinks about the quality or whatever. Video hasn't reached that point... and I don't really think it ever will.No matter which way you choose to encode your files, there's going to be someone who can't see it. That's just the sad truth. So you're choice becomes: 1) stick with ONE format and force your viewers to download the appropriate player 2) encode your video in as many formats, with as many codecs as possible... and hope it covers enough people.People say that FLASH is very prevalent on most computers (have I seen the 95% or something)... but I get about 5 calls a day from people who don't have Flash on their computers, and since they're on company workstations, they don't have permissions to install it. If the goal is purely "reaching as many people as possible"... I'd encode one video as a 3ivx .MOV, one as a .WMV, and one as a Flash .FLV. If someone can't see at least one of those, they need to upgrade.-Terryhttp://boycottsociety.blogspot.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "BevSykes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> > I have studied all of Josh's excellent training videos and tried everything and nothing works consistently. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration
I agree with you mostly, and even if the codec issue was sorted there are always isues like resolution and different framerates, issues that wont get any simpler as HD stuff becomes more common with video from TV, DVD and internet. On the other hand I remain optimistic about mpeg4's chances of sucess. Already a large number of the formats we talk about are mpeg4. There are annoying differences and complications, issues caused by history, by technological barriers, or by the interests of companies already in this field. wmv is a sort of mpeg4 in most respects. 3ivx, divx, xvid are mpeg4. Many movs are mpeg4. h264 is a newer kind of mpeg4. Sony PSP plays mpeg4, ipod plays mpeg4. Next generation of DVD is mpeg4-based. There are multiple ways to encode and play mpeg4. Its just not in many companies interests to aim for total convergence, they will only take advantage of these things being standards when it suits them, at other timess they will break the standard to give their products the advantage or some reason to exist. Im pretty confident mpeg4/h264 is going to win in the hardware player market. Im pretty confident that mpeg4 & h264 will become normal fetures of video players, editing & encoding applications. Watching video in the browser is a little less assured. It depends how many people stick to using .mov containers rather than .mp4, and on more browser plugins that handle playing mpeg4, being installed on more peoples computers. What microsoft do about the emergence of mp4 hardware driving demand for mp4 video rather than wmv will be important. What divx do about the same sort of issue will be important. Whether Apple sort their act out (eg with QT7 on the PC reliability/performance) will make a difference, though can be bypassed if other mp4 player browser software starts to dominate. Whether Sony make the PSPs mpeg4 compatibility better will mean something. Im hearing that the dam is about to burst open on Hollywood & TV content being done over the net. 2006 is supposed to be the year so the current thinking goes, its press release and rumour city these days. And the next-generation of games consoles are likely to come into the mix as playback devices. DRM stuff and a desire to closely track viewing figures will likely be an enemy to my optimism on these issues, but never mind, I will keep banging the mp4 drum, its easier to bang since the PSP and ipod came out thats for sure. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "anonperson1969" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The biggest problem with ANY video is that there is no consistancy. > There are multiple file formats (wmv, avi, mpg, mov, etc) and multiple > CODECS within each of those file formats (mp4, 3ivx, xvid, divx, > etc)... and NONE of them have become common. > > Audio is pretty firmly entrenched in MP3s, and that won't be changing > anytime soon... no matter what anyone thinks about the quality or > whatever. Video hasn't reached that point... and I don't really think > it ever will. > > No matter which way you choose to encode your files, there's going to > be someone who can't see it. That's just the sad truth. So you're > choice becomes: 1) stick with ONE format and force your viewers to > download the appropriate player 2) encode your video in as many > formats, with as many codecs as possible... and hope it covers enough > people. > > People say that FLASH is very prevalent on most computers (have I seen > the 95% or something)... but I get about 5 calls a day from people who > don't have Flash on their computers, and since they're on company > workstations, they don't have permissions to install it. > > If the goal is purely "reaching as many people as possible"... I'd > encode one video as a 3ivx .MOV, one as a .WMV, and one as a > Flash .FLV. If someone can't see at least one of those, they need to > upgrade. > > -Terry > http://boycottsociety.blogspot.com > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "BevSykes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I have studied all of Josh's excellent training videos and tried > everything and nothing works consistently. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration
Hope this isn't too far off the topic of the thread.. but there is indeed a forum over at vlogdir.com. I, for one, think it would be really cool to use that as a means of communication as well. Organizing messages into different topics makes it easier to find an answer to a question you may have, rather than searching through thousands of messages. A lot of things get covered several times here because people have not seen the previous discussions. Unfortunately, not all that many people have taken advantage of it. You can even embed video, audio, images as well as media enclosures from rss feeds right into your messages making it possible to have video discussions. http://vlogdir.com//forum/index.php Erin Nealey Mom's Brag Vlog nealey.blogspot.com > The high volume of traffic on the list is a nightmare, I occasionally > harp on about forums as an alternative, but no alternative to this > list seems to have attracted many people to talk as much as is done > here. Its a shame because a lot less stuff would be ignored if this > place was a forum, people would be able to respond to links with a one > word prely such as 'cool' without fear of anybody moaning, and the > original poster would have some feedback and a warm glow inside. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration
There wass a fuss because: We knew the paper spec before anybody actually had one of the devices to test and be sure. Theres plenty of ways to make video that doesnt work H264 as well as mpeg 4 adds a extra layer of potential confusion and choice about what format gives the best results Apple confused the issue by making their qt7.03 ipod export use a different file extension, and put such stuff in their quickstart instructions without explaining the implications and that its h264 properly. This stuff is on average less familiar to many windows users, who have been more used to wmv and avi, rather than 3ivx and .mp4 or .mov. Apple users have been luckier than Windows users, in that the ipod helps more windows users to consider mp4/mov than would do if it was only for the sake of Mac owners. Its nice when Mac owners give in and offer wmv as well for the sake of PC users, but a lot of PC users hate wmv's far more than Mac owners hate .mov, so Im going to give in and offer flash when I get off me butt nd do some video. I admire people who are able to give ipod solutions in a single sentence, but as peoples requirements vary and the devil is in the detail, I certainly hope theres a use for the people like me who get into detail at the expense of making everything sound complicated. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "LeanBackVids.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We use Quicktime with single-pass 3ivx... It works for people who > have QT 6 or higher and Bre showed us our videos on his video iPod. > > Our latest (theme-based) vlog has more viewers that are non-vloggers > than vloggers and none of them have ever complained about our format. > > I too was confused why there was so much fuss over the video iPod > format, but it sounds like MPEG4 (or 3ivx) is fine. > > -Matt > --- > http://ridertech.com > http://leanbackvids.com > http://vlogmap.org > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "BevSykes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I really rarely read this group any more because (a) you are all so > far above my head now that I can't keep up, and (b) I suspect I"ve > become a thorn in many sides since I now rarely receive any response > at all. > > > > But my big frustration is in trying to find a format. Any format. > I started posting in .wmv but people couldn't see that and I was told > that QuickTime was the way to go, so I started posting in QuickTime. > Then I was told that QuickTime couldn't be loaded onto the new iPods > and I should use 3ivx, which I did. Now some people complaint that > they can't see those. I post to both Blip and YouTube. You Tube uses > flash. Some can see it, some can't. Nerissa helped me with creating > imbedded players on my site, which some complain can't be seen. Then > Robert very kindly took a video for me and converted it into two flash > formats, one of which I can't see. I've upgraded my windows media > viewer. I've upgraded my flash format and though I have no problem > viewing the videos most of you guys post, my own videos can be seen by > some, not by all. > > > > For the average, run of the mill, senior citizen who just wants to > watch a video and not get into video blogging, etcwhat is the best > way to go? I belong to Senior Net and people are enthusiastic about > seeing my videos, but cannot see either 3ivx or YouTube's flash. My > boss wants me to put a video on his web page, which I did in several > formats, none of which he is able to access from his computer. > > > > I have studied all of Josh's excellent training videos and tried > everything and nothing works consistently. > > > > I am so confused and so frustrated. It's not like I'm posting > anything terribly creative or important or anything else. And my god > have I learned a lot in the past six months, but at every turn I come > up against another brick wall when someone says "I tried, but I can't > view your videos." > > > > -- > > Bev > > Blog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/ > > Journal: http://funnytheworld.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration
Greetings, I dont thnik you are a thorn in anybodies side, the reasons for a lack of response to specific posts are varied. I frequently get paranoid that Im being ignored and am wasting my time, or that I am annoying everyone excessively. Theres likely some truth to it, but Im easily reassured. The high volume of traffic on the list is a nightmare, I occasionally harp on about forums as an alternative, but no alternative to this list seems to have attracted many people to talk as much as is done here. Its a shame because a lot less stuff would be ignored if this place was a forum, people would be able to respond to links with a one word prely such as 'cool' without fear of anybody moaning, and the original poster would have some feedback and a warm glow inside. As for your format uqestion, well thats a nightmare too. Here are some random thoughts on some of the stuff youve brought up: Quicktime will work on the ipods, but the devil is in the detail, the phrase quicktime doesnt actually describe fully what format the video is in. 3ivx is still quicktime (undr most circumstances). The biggest problem with quicktime is that you'll get some PC users without quicktime complaining that they cant see stuff. Flash is by far the most compatible, and is the closest thing to a video format that should work in most browsers on most operating systems, and which most people already have installed. If many users cant see flash video thats been done properly, theres not much hope. Perhaps theres something weird about how youtube do it? Its all a nightmare really, Id agree. Some of the best bits of the blog phenomenon, ease of publishing and viewing, are not so easy with video. Plenty of hurdles, plenty of areas for a nerd like me to waste a whole ear on exploring, and still only really scratch the surface. It will get easier with time, and it sounds like you've had some bad luck as well, some of the things you say dont work, really should work under most circumstances. That only makes things more frustrating when it fails though. Id be happy to look at any of your examples of videos that arent working right for some people, in whatever format, to see if I can answer the specific problems in your case. Personally if I was making a site that should be easily accessible to all, id use flash video for people using browser, and have .mp4 versions of the videos available via feed. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "BevSykes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I really rarely read this group any more because (a) you are all so far above my head now that I can't keep up, and (b) I suspect I"ve become a thorn in many sides since I now rarely receive any response at all. > > But my big frustration is in trying to find a format. Any format. I started posting in .wmv but people couldn't see that and I was told that QuickTime was the way to go, so I started posting in QuickTime. Then I was told that QuickTime couldn't be loaded onto the new iPods and I should use 3ivx, which I did. Now some people complaint that they can't see those. I post to both Blip and YouTube. You Tube uses flash. Some can see it, some can't. Nerissa helped me with creating imbedded players on my site, which some complain can't be seen. Then Robert very kindly took a video for me and converted it into two flash formats, one of which I can't see. I've upgraded my windows media viewer. I've upgraded my flash format and though I have no problem viewing the videos most of you guys post, my own videos can be seen by some, not by all. > > For the average, run of the mill, senior citizen who just wants to watch a video and not get into video blogging, etcwhat is the best way to go? I belong to Senior Net and people are enthusiastic about seeing my videos, but cannot see either 3ivx or YouTube's flash. My boss wants me to put a video on his web page, which I did in several formats, none of which he is able to access from his computer. > > I have studied all of Josh's excellent training videos and tried everything and nothing works consistently. > > I am so confused and so frustrated. It's not like I'm posting anything terribly creative or important or anything else. And my god have I learned a lot in the past six months, but at every turn I come up against another brick wall when someone says "I tried, but I can't view your videos." > > -- > Bev > Blog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/ > Journal: http://funnytheworld.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo!
[videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration
The biggest problem with ANY video is that there is no consistancy. There are multiple file formats (wmv, avi, mpg, mov, etc) and multiple CODECS within each of those file formats (mp4, 3ivx, xvid, divx, etc)... and NONE of them have become common. Audio is pretty firmly entrenched in MP3s, and that won't be changing anytime soon... no matter what anyone thinks about the quality or whatever. Video hasn't reached that point... and I don't really think it ever will. No matter which way you choose to encode your files, there's going to be someone who can't see it. That's just the sad truth. So you're choice becomes: 1) stick with ONE format and force your viewers to download the appropriate player 2) encode your video in as many formats, with as many codecs as possible... and hope it covers enough people. People say that FLASH is very prevalent on most computers (have I seen the 95% or something)... but I get about 5 calls a day from people who don't have Flash on their computers, and since they're on company workstations, they don't have permissions to install it. If the goal is purely "reaching as many people as possible"... I'd encode one video as a 3ivx .MOV, one as a .WMV, and one as a Flash .FLV. If someone can't see at least one of those, they need to upgrade. -Terry http://boycottsociety.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "BevSykes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have studied all of Josh's excellent training videos and tried everything and nothing works consistently. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: the continuing frustration
We use Quicktime with single-pass 3ivx... It works for people who have QT 6 or higher and Bre showed us our videos on his video iPod. Our latest (theme-based) vlog has more viewers that are non-vloggers than vloggers and none of them have ever complained about our format. I too was confused why there was so much fuss over the video iPod format, but it sounds like MPEG4 (or 3ivx) is fine. -Matt --- http://ridertech.com http://leanbackvids.com http://vlogmap.org --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "BevSykes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I really rarely read this group any more because (a) you are all so far above my head now that I can't keep up, and (b) I suspect I"ve become a thorn in many sides since I now rarely receive any response at all. > > But my big frustration is in trying to find a format. Any format. I started posting in .wmv but people couldn't see that and I was told that QuickTime was the way to go, so I started posting in QuickTime. Then I was told that QuickTime couldn't be loaded onto the new iPods and I should use 3ivx, which I did. Now some people complaint that they can't see those. I post to both Blip and YouTube. You Tube uses flash. Some can see it, some can't. Nerissa helped me with creating imbedded players on my site, which some complain can't be seen. Then Robert very kindly took a video for me and converted it into two flash formats, one of which I can't see. I've upgraded my windows media viewer. I've upgraded my flash format and though I have no problem viewing the videos most of you guys post, my own videos can be seen by some, not by all. > > For the average, run of the mill, senior citizen who just wants to watch a video and not get into video blogging, etcwhat is the best way to go? I belong to Senior Net and people are enthusiastic about seeing my videos, but cannot see either 3ivx or YouTube's flash. My boss wants me to put a video on his web page, which I did in several formats, none of which he is able to access from his computer. > > I have studied all of Josh's excellent training videos and tried everything and nothing works consistently. > > I am so confused and so frustrated. It's not like I'm posting anything terribly creative or important or anything else. And my god have I learned a lot in the past six months, but at every turn I come up against another brick wall when someone says "I tried, but I can't view your videos." > > -- > Bev > Blog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/ > Journal: http://funnytheworld.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
