[videoblogging] Re: tubular, a video aggregator for youtube
I concur. Why would I want to promote the efforts of a multi billion dollar company? They seem to be doing just fine on their own and certainly don't need my help in any type of promotion. I would prefer to promote my videos and the videos of others that arent relying on a mega corporation to distribute their content. Screw YouTube. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Bluestein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd prefer to make February through December boycott youtube months > rather then promote its name. I can't post to youtube. My account was > 'permanently banned'. You know why? Because of the idiotic censorship > system that means anyone who hates you (I have many of those) can get > your videos and even your user account banned from their system. > Contrary to popular opinion, the videos I posted which got banned were > tame, save for a few nipples. Screw Youtube. I will not participate in > any venue which practices censorship. > > Richard Bluestein > > > > concerning the freedom of the vlogosphere and what that means. Can we > > make February or March "YouTube Month" in the vlogosphere? Let's mash > > 'em up and link 'em and praise 'em like crazy. Evangelize YouTube. > > Concerted effort. > > > > Happy New Year! > > Jan > > > > -- > > The Faux Press - better than real > > http://fauxpress.blogspot.com > > >
[videoblogging] Re: tubular, a video aggregator for youtube
I'd prefer to make February through December boycott youtube months rather then promote its name. I can't post to youtube. My account was 'permanently banned'. You know why? Because of the idiotic censorship system that means anyone who hates you (I have many of those) can get your videos and even your user account banned from their system. Contrary to popular opinion, the videos I posted which got banned were tame, save for a few nipples. Screw Youtube. I will not participate in any venue which practices censorship. Richard Bluestein concerning the freedom of the vlogosphere and what that means. Can we > make February or March "YouTube Month" in the vlogosphere? Let's mash > 'em up and link 'em and praise 'em like crazy. Evangelize YouTube. > Concerted effort. > > Happy New Year! > Jan > > -- > The Faux Press - better than real > http://fauxpress.blogspot.com >
Re: [videoblogging] Re: tubular, a video aggregator for youtube
Happy new year all. I'm really glad I posted that. Jan, Bill, Enric, and Mike Moon, thanks for the unique perspectives. We need more reminders of why real people on an individual level vlog. It's likely if everyone responded no two responses would be the same. I needed the refresher course. -Mike On 1/1/07, Jan / The Faux Press <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Previously written: > > "Similarly, what kind of numbers would independent video podcasts do > if they made a > YouTube channel? That could best be answered by people/groups that > have their videos > both on YouTube and some non-YouTube site like blip, revver or brightcove." > > Tend to put my videos up wherever, including a few on YouTube, where I > get bupkiss probably because I don't socialize or market there. The > temptation was to dive in and promote on YouTube but as usual, pride > kept me from diving into the already-crowded pool. > > Prefer the wide open spaces where pioneers go - the vlogosphere. > > Prefer freedom & choice. > > Blip gives me both on all fronts, including intellectual property, > format, ease of use, and where I choose to call 'home'. > > I'd like to see the vlogosphere spend an intensive month invading > YouTube and its environs & denizens, making comment and video points > concerning the freedom of the vlogosphere and what that means. Can we > make February or March "YouTube Month" in the vlogosphere? Let's mash > 'em up and link 'em and praise 'em like crazy. Evangelize YouTube. > Concerted effort. > > Happy New Year! > Jan > > -- > The Faux Press - better than real > http://fauxpress.blogspot.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
Re: [videoblogging] Re: tubular, a video aggregator for youtube
Previously written: "Similarly, what kind of numbers would independent video podcasts do if they made a YouTube channel? That could best be answered by people/groups that have their videos both on YouTube and some non-YouTube site like blip, revver or brightcove." Tend to put my videos up wherever, including a few on YouTube, where I get bupkiss probably because I don't socialize or market there. The temptation was to dive in and promote on YouTube but as usual, pride kept me from diving into the already-crowded pool. Prefer the wide open spaces where pioneers go - the vlogosphere. Prefer freedom & choice. Blip gives me both on all fronts, including intellectual property, format, ease of use, and where I choose to call 'home'. I'd like to see the vlogosphere spend an intensive month invading YouTube and its environs & denizens, making comment and video points concerning the freedom of the vlogosphere and what that means. Can we make February or March "YouTube Month" in the vlogosphere? Let's mash 'em up and link 'em and praise 'em like crazy. Evangelize YouTube. Concerted effort. Happy New Year! Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com
[videoblogging] Re: tubular, a video aggregator for youtube
For me, my vlog is a personal diary, snippets from life, moments to share with my children and there children. I'm happy having a handful of regular visitors drop by and share their thoughts and views. My little corner, with it's little door open wide to the vast Internet will still be building when the masses change their addiction. I don't think that world even knows where I am, and I'm fine with that. If it all implodes, I'll still be chuggin' along making a lifetime of memories through my vlog. Mike http://vlog.mikemoon.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meiser" > It includes no support as far as I can see for video podcasts. What is the > value in being an independant video podcast, do we even matter? > -Mike > mefeedia.com > mmeiser.com/blog > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
[videoblogging] Re: tubular, a video aggregator for youtube
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just wondering if anyone had seen this, and what they thought of it. > > http://tubularapp.com/blog/16/screencast > > It's a MacOX aggregator for youtube, primarily it just provides an alternate > viewing experience, but it also converts youtube videos to an ipod friendly > format. > > I must admit I haven't tried it. As a software aggregator Democracy does > Youtube and it's pretty hard to beat these days. I'm a Democracy fan, myself. From what I've seen lately, allowing the user/reader/viewer to automatically receive updates of your work is the easiest way to maintain an audience. People aren't interested in searching around all the time. They want to find something they like, subscribe to it, and when they get a new episode, they check it out whenever they feel like it. > The first question is how useful is something like this? All it really does > is provide an alternate experience, aside from the iPod conversion. Is > better experience enough? Is it even better experience or is it just > different with no apparent real advantages over viewing videos on > youtube.com? Potential advantages are playback integrity (from your drive vs depending on download speed/consistency) and not having to go to your subscriptions page. The disadvantage is for people that like to interact and leave responses to the videos they watch. If they watch them out of context, they might miss out on something they go to YouTube for. Then again, I haven't used the aggregator, so I don't know if they have any relation to the pages themselves or the comments. > Secondly, what does this say about aggregation in a youtube dominated world. > It includes no support as far as I can see for video podcasts. What is the > value in being an independant video podcast, do we even matter? I've been > wondering for a long time about the two diametrically opposed forces in the > vlogging world. > > Apple iTunes vs. Youtube. This came up in the debate about "The Vloggies". There are YouTube channels with hundreds of thousands of views on any given video. Is that because the same show would do the same numbers as an independent video podcast? Or, is that ONLY because the nature of YouTube is to attempt to socialize through making videos, commenting on videos (pro or con), creating video replies to videos and discussing and passing around links to videos to other YouTubers? Similarly, what kind of numbers would independent video podcasts do if they made a YouTube channel? That could best be answered by people/groups that have their videos both on YouTube and some non-YouTube site like blip, revver or brightcove. > It appears never the two shale meet. Who's going to be the winner, is it a > winner take all proposition? Is video podcasting picking up steam or is it > being sidelined? What will happen as portable media players, set top boxes, > cell phones, PDA's, and other hardware NOT the desktop computer start to > support syndicated video? Can youtube go to these devices when it's > dependant on Flash and dependant on being online, or will it's value be > erroded as portability starts to increase in importance in the viewing > experience? Are we going to more exclusive youtube deals with hardware > makers? How will this help or hurt innovation, and the free market for > media?Sorry, got to ask the tough questions. I don't think it's "winner take all". There are enough viewers for television, independent video podcasts and YouTube combined. I also don't think YouTube's going to be concerned with being anything BUT YouTube, a closed environment, for a very long time. Just going to the YouTube front page right this very second, they have "featured videos", including: Two Tones: 140,217 views Love Letters: 246,910 views ... and then I woke up: 364,871 views Twisted Sister Animated Video: 575,985 views another original Esmee song: 954,743 views There is ZERO need for YouTube to make itself "portable". I've been to parties where the jukebox was a laptop, a wireless connection and YouTube music videos. There are so many people that know that YouTube probably has what they're looking for, including that fight they didn't feel like paying for last night on PPV that expansion is probably the farthest thing from their minds. Also, wasn't there a thread here about how some of the networks are starting to make deals with YouTube for their own channels? MSM goes where the numbers are, the eyeballs are and the $$$ is. That's why MySpace got bought. There are so many users, and they're serving so many advertisements per day that there's no need for them to look outside of their current user base for potential opportunities. > Thirdly, is this third party software, the beginning of the end for youtube > or just a shot in the dark? If more and more applications building out > altern
[videoblogging] Re: tubular, a video aggregator for youtube
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just wondering if anyone had seen this, and what they thought of it. > > http://tubularapp.com/blog/16/screencast > > It's a MacOX aggregator for youtube, primarily it just provides an alternate > viewing experience, but it also converts youtube videos to an ipod friendly > format. > > I must admit I haven't tried it. As a software aggregator Democracy does > Youtube and it's pretty hard to beat these days. > > > The first question is how useful is something like this? All it really does > is provide an alternate experience, aside from the iPod conversion. Is > better experience enough? Is it even better experience or is it just > different with no apparent real advantages over viewing videos on > youtube.com? > > Secondly, what does this say about aggregation in a youtube dominated world. > It includes no support as far as I can see for video podcasts. What is the > value in being an independant video podcast, do we even matter? I've been > wondering for a long time about the two diametrically opposed forces in the > vlogging world. > > Apple iTunes vs. Youtube. > > It appears never the two shale meet. Who's going to be the winner, is it a > winner take all proposition? Is video podcasting picking up steam or is it > being sidelined? What will happen as portable media players, set top boxes, > cell phones, PDA's, and other hardware NOT the desktop computer start to > support syndicated video? Can youtube go to these devices when it's > dependant on Flash and dependant on being online, or will it's value be > erroded as portability starts to increase in importance in the viewing > experience? Are we going to more exclusive youtube deals with hardware > makers? How will this help or hurt innovation, and the free market for > media?Sorry, got to ask the tough questions. > > Thirdly, is this third party software, the beginning of the end for youtube > or just a shot in the dark? If more and more applications building out > alternative interfaces to youtube will it undermine their business plan or > support it? Will youtube just cut them off at the knees and if they do, will > it alienate users increasingly used to getting what they want the way they > want it. Flash lite 2 supports different video formats. a flash youtube player is possible. - enric > > Fourth, would you use it? > > p.s. I've seen like apps for aggregating photos purely from FLickr.com. An > app called sniper. Web app interfaces for popular webservices is not a new > thing. Honestly, I've never known them to last unless they depend on open > standards. Frankly... to me it seems such apps while a whole lot of fun are > a dead end. Because the webservice, in this case youtube, arbitrarily > decides wether they live or die. For Apple has a habit of canibalizing the > best pieces of mac software and incorporating it into the system. I suspect > youtube would do the same if not kill such innovations outright, so as to > keep people's expectations from changing... ie. from asking original > questions. To me this is the tru danger of such monocultures. People's > expectations stop evolving, change slows and even stops. Because independant > developmental innovation cannot happen on such a platform when it does > happen, such as say, Democracy, it's so on the sidelines noone sees it. > > In a manner, what I'm saying is... How stuck are we? Has our ability to > continue to innovate and affect change in the video blogging world forever > been sidelined. Is videoblogging now endoctrinated and affixed? If so is > video podcasting doomed to stagnation untill the next big thing comes along > and replaces it? > > -Mike > mefeedia.com > mmeiser.com/blog > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
