Re: [videoblogging] What's the True Potential of the Videoblogging Community???
Millions of the poor voted for Bush, and not because they were suckered, but because he accurately reflected their values (of patriotism, religion, and social traditionalism). We disagree on that point, but this is not the forum to discuss it. In that sense Bush is not ignoring the interests of the poor at all. Rather than blindly increasing voting turnout I think one would wish to discourage turnout among sectors not likely to see things the same way. No, I wouldn't. I bow to the will of the majority - they might even know more than I do - but I'd like it to be a true (and preferably informed) majority. Cameras cost money; the poor are least likely to own one. Vlogging is a disruptive tool inherently serving the interests of the rich. This group has successfully given away a few cameras to people who otherwise couldn't afford them, and several members work very hard on informing people about FREE resources for vlogging. So I don't think only the rich need by served by it. How can you use videoblogging as a channel of purely partisan propaganda? Don't care, because that's not what I want to do. I'm neither particularly partisan nor propagandistic. My dislike of Bush is purely personal. ; ) You don't sell the steak, you sell the sizzle. Voting is boring; you stand on a line to toggle a lever and walk away. But issues! Issues are interesting. If they aren't interesting, it's your job a vlogger to make them interesting. Actually, my day job has more to do with facilitating vlogging, and I'm interested in doing that for everybody, not just those who happen to agree with me. -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.straughan.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] What's the True Potential of the Videoblogging Community???
Deirdre, Are you saying that if more people vote, someone else would be elected and this sort of thing would not happen? I see no reason to believe that. It would seem that basic statistics is against you on this (FWIW) I know of no theory that postulates: If all the people who did not vote had voted, then elections would come out different. I DO think that there may be many benefits from getting people more involved with elections (more dialog, more participation, more vlogs!, etc) But I also feel that it will take more than votes to change the results. I also feel that the difference you point out is important to many: it is our choice to vote or not! at least for the moment ;) The main point is this: with big voter turnouts or not, both places suffered horribly. markus Deirdre Straughan wrote: Why? Because India, unlike the US, is a truly functioning democracy. India's hundreds of millions of poor and/or illiterate people VOTE, and have considerable political clout. Everybody's mad at Bush now, for good reason. But, hey, folks, he was democratically elected by the American people. Or was he? Less than half of Americans voted in the last presidential election, and many of those who didn't vote are the poor, young, and anyone else who feels powerless. I don't think American culture encourages people to vote, whereas n many European countries, it is AGAINST THE LAW not to. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I don't know who would be elected if everyone voted. I do believe that our officials would be more truly accountable to the poor if the poor voted, as happens in India. Inefficient officials were elected in Mumbai and the city, particularly the poor, suffered for it. Most likely those particular politicians will not be re-elected, because everyone's pissed at them and everyone will vote.-- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.straughan.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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I agree with marcus. Also know this as it seems to me, historically and inevitably, proper and thorough actions to avoid potential catastrophes are never taken until it is too late. It's a human condition mostly rooted by the fog money and politics creates. And if nothing is done to avoid such happenings as this flood in New Orleans and elswhere, and this being a sort of 'first' for the country to deal with the aftermath, it explains the pathetic flow of command and reason that followed. It sickens me. But many many are at fault we, as humans, must evolve faster. I dreamed last night that NYC flooded due to a hurricane. I was in a helicopter seeing all of it. Their were people trapped in buildings and on roof tops trying to wave me down to rescue them. I got the impression that it was several days or weeks after the flood. The people I saw were of all race and color. All seemingly looking and feeling betrayed by their country. This dream, as i realized this morning, made me feel that all the racial issues bubbling around the Katrina media news is less than accurate and this level of devastation in any city would yield similar results from an unprepared country and equally unprepared cities within it... whether it is the elite NYC or anywhere else. Maybe I am wrong and the government truly didnt care to act as fast as they could because of race, but even just typing that now, here, seems very inaccurate and noisy. sull On 9/5/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deirdre,Are you saying that if more people vote, someone else would be electedand this sort of thing would not happen?I see no reason to believe that.It would seem that basic statistics isagainst you on this (FWIW) I know of no theory that postulates: If all the people who did not votehad voted, then elections would come out different.I DO think that there may be many benefits from getting people more involved with elections (more dialog, more participation, more vlogs!, etc)But I also feel that it will take more than votes to change the results.I also feel that the difference you point out is important to many: it is our choice to vote or not!at least for the moment ;)The main point is this: with big voter turnouts or not, both placessuffered horribly.markusDeirdre Straughan wrote: Why? Because India, unlike the US, is a truly functioning democracy. India's hundreds of millions of poor and/or illiterate people VOTE, and have considerable political clout. Everybody's mad at Bush now, for good reason. But, hey, folks, he was democratically elected by the American people. Or was he? Less than half of Americans voted in the last presidential election, and many of those who didn't vote are the poor, young, and anyone else who feels powerless. I don't think American culture encourages people to vote, whereas n many European countries, it is AGAINST THE LAW not to.--My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.ushttp://apperceptions.orghttp://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.orghttp://wearethemedia.comhttp://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED]msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]skype: msandyspin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Rss reader Fireant Internet directory Individual Free rss reader YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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The start of this thread was about what can videobloggers do to help ourselves and others prevent this kind of disaster in future? So now we're at what can videoblogging do to improve the human condition? I threw my hat into the ring - I think that voting is important and that if the poor (regardless of race) make their voices more heard by voting, it will help, though of course it won't solve everything. It is far easier for those in power to ignore the concerns of the poor when they know that most of the poor don't vote. I would hope that some compelling videos about politics, voting, etc. might help. (FWIW, I did what I could for voter reg last year with Democrats Abroad.) So if you're not convinced that voting is the solution... what DO you suggest? Again, to stick to topic, we're looking for things that *videobloggers* can do, presumably via their videoblogs.-- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.straughan.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] What's the True Potential of the Videoblogging Community???
On Sep 5, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: This dream, as i realized this morning, made me feel that all the racial issues bubbling around the Katrina media news is less than accurate and this level of devastation in any city would yield similar results from an unprepared country and equally unprepared cities within it... whether it is the elite NYC or anywhere else. Bull shit. Why couldn't the gov. call all the school buses in the state to go down and get them a week ago?Why is the gov. turning away donations of food and clothing?Why is the gov. taking poor and injured people and dumping them off in the middle of cities to fend for themselves?Why are the few police left trying to stop looting of property over saving lives?Why is the army in combat mode instead of rescue mode?Why are relief experts being cut off from communications and authority?I'll tell you why: POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC VALUEWhen its all said and done, people will return to their lives and the hatred against Bush will simmer. Bush will have saved the US a lot of money in insurance claims and medical expenses. No need to rebuild the poor, better to just erase them, right?Bush will use the savings to start a war in Iran just in time to change guards during the next election.Meanwhile, the serious rescue efforts are just off the horizon, racing to repair the oil refineries now that gas is up to $3:50 a gallon.Sound like conspriacy? What else could be the reason for saying no to help when help is ready?sull On 9/5/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deirdre,Are you saying that if more people vote, someone else would be electedand this sort of thing would not happen?I see no reason to believe that. It would seem that basic statistics isagainst you on this (FWIW) I know of no theory that postulates: "If all the people who did not votehad voted, then elections would come out different."I DO think that there may be many benefits from getting people more involved with elections (more dialog, more participation, more vlogs!, etc)But I also feel that it will take more than votes to change the "results".I also feel that the difference you point out is important to many: it is our choice to vote or not!at least for the moment ;)The main point is this: with big voter turnouts or not, both placessuffered horribly.markusDeirdre Straughan wrote: Why? Because India, unlike the US, is a truly functioning democracy. India's hundreds of millions of poor and/or illiterate people VOTE, and have considerable political clout. Everybody's mad at Bush now, for good reason. But, hey, folks, he was democratically elected by the American people. Or was he? Less than half of Americans voted in the last presidential election, and many of those who didn't vote are the poor, young, and anyone else who feels powerless. I don't think American culture encourages people to vote, whereas n many European countries, it is AGAINST THE LAW not to.--My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.ushttp://apperceptions.orghttp://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.orghttp://wearethemedia.comhttp://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED]msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]skype: msandyspin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Rss reader Fireant Internet directory Individual Free rss reader YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] What's the True Potential of the Videoblogging Community???
On Sep 5, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote: So if you're not convinced that voting is the solution... what DO you suggest? Again, to stick to topic, we're looking for things that *videobloggers* can do, presumably via their videoblogs. Document. Its not even a question. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] What's the True Potential of the Videoblogging Community???
On 9/5/05, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if you're not convinced that voting is the solution... what DO you suggest? Again, to stick to topic, we're looking for things that *videobloggers* can do, presumably via their videoblogs. Deirdre, I agree with all you've said in this thread. If a larger percentage of poor people voted, less greed-heads would be in power, and less millionaires and oil companies would be getting tax breaks and subsidies. Also with the videoblogs, preach science and reason like they preach homophobia and creationism. Or, if you believe in creationism and the evil of gay people, talk about that. Start a discussion. The more people talk about any issue, the better we'll understand each other. And with understanding, comes great power. With great power comes great responsibility. -Spiderman -- _ Quirk_ Bullemhead.com SPONSORED LINKS Rss reader Fireant Internet directory Individual Free rss reader YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Wow...Lets kill all the poor people...yeah!Sounds like a government plan to me?you are a psycho!nickhttp://www.skullcrew.comhttp://www.angryshirts.comOn Sep 5, 2005, at 10:27 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: On Sep 5, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: This dream, as i realized this morning, made me feel that all the racial issues bubbling around the Katrina media news is less than accurate and this level of devastation in any city would yield similar results from an unprepared country and equally unprepared cities within it... whether it is the elite NYC or anywhere else. Bull shit. Why couldn't the gov. call all the school buses in the state to go down and get them a week ago?Why is the gov. turning away donations of food and clothing?Why is the gov. taking poor and injured people and dumping them off in the middle of cities to fend for themselves?Why are the few police left trying to stop looting of property over saving lives?Why is the army in combat mode instead of rescue mode?Why are relief experts being cut off from communications and authority?I'll tell you why: POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC VALUEWhen its all said and done, people will return to their lives and the hatred against Bush will simmer. Bush will have saved the US a lot of money in insurance claims and medical expenses. No need to rebuild the poor, better to just erase them, right?Bush will use the savings to start a war in Iran just in time to change guards during the next election.Meanwhile, the serious rescue efforts are just off the horizon, racing to repair the oil refineries now that gas is up to $3:50 a gallon.Sound like conspriacy? What else could be the reason for saying no to help when help is ready?sull On 9/5/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deirdre,Are you saying that if more people vote, someone else would be electedand this sort of thing would not happen?I see no reason to believe that. It would seem that basic statistics isagainst you on this (FWIW) I know of no theory that postulates: "If all the people who did not votehad voted, then elections would come out different."I DO think that there may be many benefits from getting people more involved with elections (more dialog, more participation, more vlogs!, etc)But I also feel that it will take more than votes to change the "results".I also feel that the difference you point out is important to many: it is our choice to vote or not!at least for the moment ;)The main point is this: with big voter turnouts or not, both placessuffered horribly.markusDeirdre Straughan wrote: Why? Because India, unlike the US, is a truly functioning democracy. India's hundreds of millions of poor and/or illiterate people VOTE, and have considerable political clout. Everybody's mad at Bush now, for good reason. But, hey, folks, he was democratically elected by the American people. Or was he? Less than half of Americans voted in the last presidential election, and many of those who didn't vote are the poor, young, and anyone else who feels powerless. I don't think American culture encourages people to vote, whereas n many European countries, it is AGAINST THE LAW not to.--My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.ushttp://apperceptions.orghttp://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.orghttp://wearethemedia.comhttp://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED]msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]skype: msandyspin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Rss reader Fireant Internet directory Individual Free rss reader YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
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You are knieve.On Sep 5, 2005, at 11:49 AM, skullcrew webmaster wrote: Wow...Lets kill all the poor people...yeah!Sounds like a government plan to me?you are a psycho!nickhttp://www.skullcrew.comhttp://www.angryshirts.comOn Sep 5, 2005, at 10:27 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: On Sep 5, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: This dream, as i realized this morning, made me feel that all the racial issues bubbling around the Katrina media news is less than accurate and this level of devastation in any city would yield similar results from an unprepared country and equally unprepared cities within it... whether it is the elite NYC or anywhere else. Bull shit. Why couldn't the gov. call all the school buses in the state to go down and get them a week ago?Why is the gov. turning away donations of food and clothing?Why is the gov. taking poor and injured people and dumping them off in the middle of cities to fend for themselves?Why are the few police left trying to stop looting of property over saving lives?Why is the army in combat mode instead of rescue mode?Why are relief experts being cut off from communications and authority?I'll tell you why: POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC VALUEWhen its all said and done, people will return to their lives and the hatred against Bush will simmer. Bush will have saved the US a lot of money in insurance claims and medical expenses. No need to rebuild the poor, better to just erase them, right?Bush will use the savings to start a war in Iran just in time to change guards during the next election.Meanwhile, the serious rescue efforts are just off the horizon, racing to repair the oil refineries now that gas is up to $3:50 a gallon.Sound like conspriacy? What else could be the reason for saying no to help when help is ready?sull On 9/5/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deirdre,Are you saying that if more people vote, someone else would be electedand this sort of thing would not happen?I see no reason to believe that. It would seem that basic statistics isagainst you on this (FWIW) I know of no theory that postulates: "If all the people who did not votehad voted, then elections would come out different."I DO think that there may be many benefits from getting people more involved with elections (more dialog, more participation, more vlogs!, etc)But I also feel that it will take more than votes to change the "results".I also feel that the difference you point out is important to many: it is our choice to vote or not!at least for the moment ;)The main point is this: with big voter turnouts or not, both placessuffered horribly.markusDeirdre Straughan wrote: Why? Because India, unlike the US, is a truly functioning democracy. India's hundreds of millions of poor and/or illiterate people VOTE, and have considerable political clout. Everybody's mad at Bush now, for good reason. But, hey, folks, he was democratically elected by the American people. Or was he? Less than half of Americans voted in the last presidential election, and many of those who didn't vote are the poor, young, and anyone else who feels powerless. I don't think American culture encourages people to vote, whereas n many European countries, it is AGAINST THE LAW not to.--My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.ushttp://apperceptions.orghttp://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.orghttp://wearethemedia.comhttp://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED]msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]skype: msandyspin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Rss reader Fireant Internet directory Individual Free rss reader YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 17:57:52 +0200, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are knieve. And before more people use words not in my dictionary: - Keep discussions civil. Go after the ball, not the man as they say in soccer. Namecalling is not cool. - Keep discussions on topic. I've yet to see much in this thread about videoblogging. I know some people are pissed at their government, someone elses government or their neighbour. This isn't the place for these discussions. Take them to your blogs. - Andreas -- URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Right, my apologies. There are things that are reasonable, and things that you feel. These often conflict. I'm still not back to rational mode over this whole catastrophe. Over and out. On Sep 5, 2005, at 12:01 PM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote: On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 17:57:52 +0200, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are knieve. And before more people use words not in my dictionary: - Keep discussions civil. Go after the ball, not the man as they say in soccer. Namecalling is not cool. - Keep discussions on topic. I've yet to see much in this thread about videoblogging. I know some people are pissed at their government, someone elses government or their neighbour. This isn't the place for these discussions. Take them to your blogs. - Andreas -- URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The world is a conspiracy. You are brainwashed by the elite who think everyone is dumber than they are and they need to save them from their own stupidity.Save me ... and all the stupid poor people. Oh, and save everyone else who thinks your wrong too. Save us from Bush. He is a moron too...While your out saving the world give Kayne West some advice on how not to be so ignorant. I am sure but hates black people like the rest of us but he could have phrased it better.anyways...nickhttp://www.skullcrew.comhttp://www.angryshirts.comOn Sep 5, 2005, at 10:57 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: You are knieve.On Sep 5, 2005, at 11:49 AM, skullcrew webmaster wrote: Wow...Lets kill all the poor people...yeah!Sounds like a government plan to me?you are a psycho!nickhttp://www.skullcrew.comhttp://www.angryshirts.comOn Sep 5, 2005, at 10:27 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: On Sep 5, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: This dream, as i realized this morning, made me feel that all the racial issues bubbling around the Katrina media news is less than accurate and this level of devastation in any city would yield similar results from an unprepared country and equally unprepared cities within it... whether it is the elite NYC or anywhere else. Bull shit. Why couldn't the gov. call all the school buses in the state to go down and get them a week ago?Why is the gov. turning away donations of food and clothing?Why is the gov. taking poor and injured people and dumping them off in the middle of cities to fend for themselves?Why are the few police left trying to stop looting of property over saving lives?Why is the army in combat mode instead of rescue mode?Why are relief experts being cut off from communications and authority?I'll tell you why: POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC VALUEWhen its all said and done, people will return to their lives and the hatred against Bush will simmer. Bush will have saved the US a lot of money in insurance claims and medical expenses. No need to rebuild the poor, better to just erase them, right?Bush will use the savings to start a war in Iran just in time to change guards during the next election.Meanwhile, the serious rescue efforts are just off the horizon, racing to repair the oil refineries now that gas is up to $3:50 a gallon.Sound like conspriacy? What else could be the reason for saying no to help when help is ready?sull On 9/5/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deirdre,Are you saying that if more people vote, someone else would be electedand this sort of thing would not happen?I see no reason to believe that. It would seem that basic statistics isagainst you on this (FWIW) I know of no theory that postulates: "If all the people who did not votehad voted, then elections would come out different."I DO think that there may be many benefits from getting people more involved with elections (more dialog, more participation, more vlogs!, etc)But I also feel that it will take more than votes to change the "results".I also feel that the difference you point out is important to many: it is our choice to vote or not!at least for the moment ;)The main point is this: with big voter turnouts or not, both placessuffered horribly.markusDeirdre Straughan wrote: Why? Because India, unlike the US, is a truly functioning democracy. India's hundreds of millions of poor and/or illiterate people VOTE, and have considerable political clout. Everybody's mad at Bush now, for good reason. But, hey, folks, he was democratically elected by the American people. Or was he? Less than half of Americans voted in the last presidential election, and many of those who didn't vote are the poor, young, and anyone else who feels powerless. I don't think American culture encourages people to vote, whereas n many European countries, it is AGAINST THE LAW not to.--My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.ushttp://apperceptions.orghttp://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.orghttp://wearethemedia.comhttp://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED]msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]skype: msandyspin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com
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Monday, September 5, 2005, 4:38:44 PM, Adam Quirk wrote: Deirdre, I agree with all you've said in this thread. If a larger percentage of poor people voted, less greed-heads would be in power, and less millionaires and oil companies would be getting tax breaks and subsidies. I'm not so sure about this. It's one of those truisms that it doesn't matter who you vote for, if someone else chooses all the candidates. From an outside-the-USA perspective, there seems very little difference between (for example) the presidential candidates on offer at the last election. All the US politicians and parties that I have heard or read about would count as right wing (nationalist, monetarist, anti-socialist, etc.) in most European countries. Even if everyone in New Orleans would have voted for a president with a platform of public support for, and major investment in, health and social welfare, such an option would never reach the ballots. Back on to the origional topic: To my mind one of the biggest forces we as videobloggers can bring to bear on things like this is to help spread genuine information about how things are in other countries and cultures. No country, not even the USA :), does _everything_ right, and the more people around the world are made aware of the advantages and disadvantages of other approaches, the more chance there is for understanding and change to take root. -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On 9/5/05, skullcrew webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While your out saving the world give Kayne West some advice on how not to be so ignorant. I am sure but hates black people like the rest of us but he could have phrased it better. Speaking of phrasing things better...umm. Anyhow, the Kanye West speech was the most truthful thing I've seen on my television since I plugged my computer into it and watched videoblogs. It's understandable that you and other people are shocked and call him names like ignorant, etc. We aren't accustomed to that level of honesty in the media. -- _ Quirk_ Bullemhead.com SPONSORED LINKS Rss reader Fireant Internet directory Individual Free rss reader YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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I second what Quirk says here. This whole disaster has demonstrated once again how worthless the mainstream media is. Things were so bad on the ground in NO that even FOX news reporters were calling bullshit on the scumfucks like bill oreilly and sean hannity back in the studio trying to put the bullshit Bushco spin on things. We also saw brief clips of CNN reporters and others pointing out the utter fraud that is America. Notice this only came about when they were out in the midst of hell watching dead bodies getting eaten by rats, as that professional empty suit Anderson Cooper put it. Only when it gets to the very verge of all-out apocalypse can the mainstream media begin to call it like it is. Their behavior during this exposes their utter dereliction of responsibility over the last 5 years, and longer-- really the last 24 years since this nightmare of conservatism began destroying the united states. Look for these tiny cracks in the electronic berlin wall that is the mainstream media to begin sealing immediately as the Military/industrial/corporate/conservo-complex's PROPAGANDA machine spins into full gear. The censoring of Kayne West's brilliant comments when that show reaired on the west coast is typical of what to expect. Watch that clip again. Madge Weinstein summed it up when she deemed it, the most brilliant moment of TV in the last ten years. In that clip you got to see reality, as spoken bravely by West, as contrasted with the mainstream media bullshit denial of reality as offered by the robotic mike myers. That moment was unbelievable truth. So naturally that has to be smashed. Little of this will matter, though, as the vast majority of the population has been so conditioned by lifetimes of 24/7 propaganda, that they will deny the very truth available to them if they just open their eyes. Some will see, but most won't. I hope I'm wrong. If people seek out alternative news sources, like online and podcasts and vlogs, then maybe something will change. (Even that though is being used by zombie followers of this fucked up system. Most people are only going to seek out and watch that which reconfirms their already held beliefs.) But right now, we're nowhere near that level of people watching. And those that are watching, are focusing on garbage that's little more than warmed over entertainment tonight. To see some of the stuff I'm talking about, please visit: www.crooksandliars.com They don't seem to have an RSS feed, but so what. Also, please listen to madgeweinstein, who's work over the last few months in AUDIO puts to shame all of us goofing around in VLOG-o-Land: www.yeastradio.com Chris Weagel www.human-dog.com On Sep 5, 2005, at 12:22 PM, Adam Quirk wrote: On 9/5/05, skullcrew webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: While your out saving the world give Kayne West some advice on how not to be so ignorant. I am sure but hates black people like the rest of us but he could have phrased it better. Speaking of phrasing things better...umm. Anyhow, the Kanye West speech was the most truthful thing I've seen on my television since I plugged my computer into it and watched videoblogs. It's understandable that you and other people are shocked and call him names like ignorant, etc. We aren't accustomed to that level of honesty in the media. -- _ Quirk _ Bullemhead.com SPONSORED LINKS Rss reader Fireant Internet directory Individual Free rss reader YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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How come the people with the coolest vlogs are so stupid. No one ever said the media wasn't retarded. I am sure that we would be in a much better place if we had a different president. We wouldn't be at war, we would be friends with everyone and shoot, we might have been able to avoid the whole hurricane cause democrats/liberals have ESP. No matter what happens it is Bush's fault. I loose the battle of the super smart retards. nickhttp://www.skullcrew.comhttp://www.angryshirts.com"Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympicseven if you win you are still retarded!"On Sep 5, 2005, at 11:53 AM, Christopher Weagel wrote:I second what Quirk says here.This whole disaster has demonstrated once again how worthless the mainstream media is.Things were so bad on the ground in NO that even FOX news reporters were calling bullshit on the scumfucks like bill oreilly and sean hannity back in the studio trying to put the bullshit Bushco spin on things.We also saw brief clips of CNN reporters and others pointing out the utter fraud that is America. Notice this only came aboutwhen they were out in the midst of hell watching "dead bodies getting eaten by rats," as that professional empty suit Anderson Cooper put it.Only when it gets to the very verge of all-out apocalypse can the mainstream media begin to call it like it is.Their behavior during this exposes their utter dereliction of responsibility over the last 5 years, and longer-- really the last 24 years since this nightmare of conservatism began destroying the united states.Look for these tiny cracks in the electronic berlin wall that is the mainstream media to begin sealing immediately as the Military/industrial/corporate/conservo-complex's PROPAGANDA machine spins into full gear.The censoring of Kayne West's brilliant comments when that show reaired on the west coast is typical of what to expect.Watch that clip again. Madge Weinstein summed it up when she deemed it, "the most brilliant moment of TV in the last ten years."In that clip you got to see reality, as spoken bravely by West, as contrasted with the mainstream media bullshit denial of reality as offered by the robotic mike myers.That moment was unbelievable truth. So naturally that has to be smashed.Little of this will matter, though, as the vast majority of the population has been so conditioned by lifetimes of 24/7 propaganda, that they will deny the very truth available to them if they just open their eyes.Some will see, but most won't.I hope I'm wrong. If people seek out alternative news sources, like online and podcasts and vlogs, then maybe something will change.(Even that though is being used by zombie followers of this fucked up system. Most people are only going to seek out and watch that which reconfirms their already held beliefs.)But right now, we're nowhere near that level of people watching. And those that are watching, are focusing on garbage that's little more than warmed over entertainment tonight.To see some of the stuff I'm talking about, please visit:www.crooksandliars.comThey don't seem to have an RSS feed, but so what.Also, please listen to madgeweinstein, who's work over the last few months in AUDIO puts to shame all of us goofing around in VLOG-o-Land: www.yeastradio.comChris Weagelwww.human-dog.comOn Sep 5, 2005, at 12:22 PM, Adam Quirk wrote: On 9/5/05, skullcrew webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While your out saving the world give Kayne West some advice on how not to be so ignorant. I am sure but hates black people like the rest of us but he could have phrased it better. Speaking of phrasing things better...umm. Anyhow, the Kanye West speech was the most truthful thing I've seen on my television since I plugged my computer into it and watched videoblogs. It's understandable that you and other people are shocked and call him names like ignorant, etc. We aren't accustomed to that level of honesty in the media. -- _ Quirk_ Bullemhead.com SPONSORED LINKS Rss reader Fireant Internet directory Individual Free rss reader YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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This whole disaster has demonstrated once again how worthless the mainstream media is.Things were so bad on the ground in NO that even FOX news reporters were calling bullshit on the scumfucks like bill oreilly and sean hannity back in the studio trying to put the bullshit Bushco spin on things. I found that film clip on the 'net and when I went back to get the link, it was gone (I don't know if it was deliberate or accidental). Fortunately, I had downloaded it, so, despite my abhorrance of people who post copyrighted material, I did post it to YouTube, at http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=597C0KPlb3w. I am already seeing the spin doctors at work, praising Bush for "leaping into the situation" and "directing all departments" to make New Orleanstheir top priority. Very nice, but where was he a week ago? (Oh--that's right. On vacation and attending fund raisers. Now I remember.) I have a feeling it is going to be the vloggers who are going to write the REALhistory of this disaster, and it is the vloggers who are going to make it impossible to whitewash the Bush administration's complicity in the death of thousands of people in New Orleans and other Gulf coast communities. -- BevBlog: http://funnytheblog.blogspot.com/Video: http://basykes.blip.tv/Video: http://www.ourmedia.org/user/24663Journal: http://funnytheworld.com SPONSORED LINKS Rss reader Fireant Internet directory Individual Free rss reader YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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On 9/5/05, skullcrew webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How come the people with the coolest vlogs are so stupid. No one ever said the media wasn't retarded. No one said you said that. I was just arguing about calling Kanye West ignorant, when in reality anyone who doesn't dig deeper into the causes of this disaster is *willfully* ignorant. And that's the worst kind of ignorant. I am sure that we would be in a much better place if we had a different president. We wouldn't be at war, we would be friends with everyone and shoot, we might have been able to avoid the whole hurricane cause democrats/liberals have ESP. With a more competent government in place, we could have avoided a lot of this mess. Sending in rescue squads the day after the hurricane, for instance. No matter what happens it is Bush's fault. Lately in America, that has been the trend. I loose the battle of the super smart retards. And the spelling bee. (It's been mentioned that off-topic posts should include a vlog tip somewhere so that all semblance of context isn't lost.) vlog tip If you want to save a video from a streaming server, like TV station websites like CNN usually use, download a program like CocSoft's Streamdown URL: http://www.cocsoft.com/ Then view the source code of the page with the video, find the URL to the video, and stick it in your Streamdown program. /vlog tip -- _ Quirk_ Bullemhead.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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To my mind one of the biggest forces we as videobloggers can bring tobear on things like this is to help spread genuine information about how things are in other countries and cultures. No country, not eventhe USA :), does _everything_ right, and the more people around theworld are made aware of the advantages and disadvantages of otherapproaches, the more chance there is for understanding and change to take root. A man after my own heart! That's what my videos (and my text and photos) are mostly about. -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.straughan.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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I agree with Michael. Nothing works better when you are faced with thousands of poor people without money or jobs than exporting them to neighboring cities and states. It is like passing the poor around and sharing what should be your burden with the world at large. I hope citizen journalists and vloggers keep track of this dispersed misery and keep it from being ignored. A couple hundred new poor homeless people scattered to this city and that city will quickly become "lost in the crowd". Most of them are poor because means to enhance oneself like education has become rationed by states like Louisiana and Mississippi which are too cheap to invest in educating young people today to make them productive citizens tomorrow. - Original Message - From: andrew michael baron To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] What's the True Potential of the Videoblogging Community??? On Sep 5, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: This dream, as i realized this morning, made me feel that all the racial issues bubbling around the Katrina media news is less than accurate and this level of devastation in any city would yield similar results from an unprepared country and equally unprepared cities within it... whether it is the elite NYC or anywhere else. Bull shit. Whycouldn't the gov. call all the school buses in the state to go down and get them a week ago? Why is the gov. turning away donations of food and clothing? Why is the gov. taking poor and injured people and dumping them off in the middle of cities to fend for themselves? Why are the fewpolice left trying to stop looting ofproperty over saving lives? Why is the army in combat mode instead of rescue mode? Why are relief experts being cut off from communications and authority? I'll tell you why: POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC VALUE When its all said and done, people will return to their lives and the hatred against Bush will simmer. Bush will have saved the US a lot of money in insurance claims and medical expenses. No need to rebuild the poor, better to just erase them, right? Bush will use the savings to start a war in Iran just in time to change guards during the next election. Meanwhile, the serious rescue efforts are just off the horizon, racing to repair the oilrefineries now that gas is up to $3:50 a gallon. Sound like conspriacy? What else could be the reason for saying no to help when help is ready? sull On 9/5/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deirdre,Are you saying that if more people vote, someone else would be electedand this sort of thing would not happen?I see no reason to believe that.It would seem that basic statistics isagainst you on this (FWIW) I know of no theory that postulates: "If all the people who did not votehad voted, then elections would come out different."I DO think that there may be many benefits from getting people more involved with elections (more dialog, more participation, more vlogs!, etc)But I also feel that it will take more than votes to change the "results".I also feel that the difference you point out is important to many: it is our choice to vote or not!at least for the moment ;)The main point is this: with big voter turnouts or not, both placessuffered horribly.markusDeirdre Straughan wrote: Why? Because India, unlike the US, is a truly functioning democracy. India's hundreds of millions of poor and/or illiterate people VOTE, and have considerable political clout. Everybody's mad at Bush now, for good reason. But, hey, folks, he was democratically elected by the American people. Or was he? Less than half of Americans voted in the last presidential election, and many of those who didn't vote are the poor, young, and anyone else who feels powerless. I don't think American culture encourages people to vote, whereas n many European countries, it is AGAINST THE LAW not to.--My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.ushttp://apperceptions.orghttp://digitaldojo.blogspot.comhttp://spinflow.orghttp://wearethemedia.comhttp://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED]msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]skype: msandyspin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe
