Re: [videoblogging] iphone 3gs video testing so far
Just reading that Pixelpipe will send the video to blip.tv: http://www.tuaw.com/2009/06/23/first-look-pixelpipe-1-4-1/ Dont have a 3GS, so have no idea how good the service is.. Schlomo Rabinowitz http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking AIM:schlomochat On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com wrote: Y'all might be interested in my rambling blog post about video on the new iPhone 3GS - it's here: http://www.davidleeking.com/2009/06/22/playing-with-iphone-3gs-video/ Verdi just told me that the iPhone only lets you email a 45 second video, BUT you can upload to Youtube as big as you want. Verdi also said that blip currently won't accept iPhone videos through email. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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BTW, one of my favorite apps for the iPhone 3G and 3GS is PixelPipe (it's free). PixelPipe 1.4.1 now lets you push video to more social networks/ media sharing sites, not just Youtube. I've been using it to simulcast photos to twitter and flickr on my 3G, and I'm now psyched that I can do something similar for video. For services like twitter, it apparently uploads video as .mov to its own pixelpipe server. As seen on their blog: http://blog.pixelpipe.com/2009/06/19/publishing-video-directly-from-the-iphone-3g-s-and-pixelpipe-1-4-1/ Publish video directly from the phone to over 40 services, Apple provides upload to mobile.me and YouTube however we include Facebook, Twitter, 12Seconds.tv. Flickr, blip.tv, Vimeo, Photobucket and a bunch more. Video upload support for the following: Acrobat.com, blip.tv, box.net, Buzznet, Dailymotion, Dropshots, drop.io, Email, Facebook, Flickr, FotoTime, Friendfeed, FTP, Hyves.net, identi.ca*, imeem, ipernity, Jaiku*, Kewego, Kodak Gallery, kwippy*, Kyte.tv, Moby Pictures, mobile.me, Nokia Ovi, Phanfare, Photobucket, Picasa, Ping.fm*, Plerb*, Plurk*, Radar, Revver, Seesmic, Smugmug, TinyPic, Twitter*, Tumblr, Viddler, vimeo, Vox, YouAre, YouTube. Just note the bug where video thumbnails won't show up in the app. They know about it. Kevin Lim Cyberculturalist http://theory.isthereason.com This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private email locator: ╔╗╔═╦╗ ║╚╣║║╚╗ ╚═╩═╩═╝ On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Jay dedmanjay.ded...@gmail.com wrote: Y'all might be interested in my rambling blog post about video on the new iPhone 3GS - it's here: http://www.davidleeking.com/2009/06/22/playing-with-iphone-3gs-video/ Verdi just told me that the iPhone only lets you email a 45 second video, BUT you can upload to Youtube as big as you want. Verdi also said that blip currently won't accept iPhone videos through email. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790
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My emailed video from the iphone to blip certainly didn't show up at blip yet, so I can confirm what Verdi said. Not sure about the length of an emailed iphone video - haven't really tested that. The video I emailed to blip was probably a 10-20 second test video. David Lee King davidleeking.com - blog davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog twitter | skype: davidleeking On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com wrote: Y'all might be interested in my rambling blog post about video on the new iPhone 3GS - it's here: http://www.davidleeking.com/2009/06/22/playing-with-iphone-3gs-video/ Verdi just told me that the iPhone only lets you email a 45 second video, BUT you can upload to Youtube as big as you want. Verdi also said that blip currently won't accept iPhone videos through email. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Thanks for the pixelpipe tip. I just used it to send video to blip (and then have blip put the link on twitter). Pretty cool. - Verdi On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Kevin Limbrainop...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, one of my favorite apps for the iPhone 3G and 3GS is PixelPipe (it's free). PixelPipe 1.4.1 now lets you push video to more social networks/ media sharing sites, not just Youtube. I've been using it to simulcast photos to twitter and flickr on my 3G, and I'm now psyched that I can do something similar for video. For services like twitter, it apparently uploads video as .mov to its own pixelpipe server. As seen on their blog: http://blog.pixelpipe.com/2009/06/19/publishing-video-directly-from-the-iphone-3g-s-and-pixelpipe-1-4-1/ -- Michael Verdi http://milkweedmediadesign.com http://michaelverdi.com
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yes pixelpipe is quite cool. i was experimenting with it a few weeks ago and suggested that a colleague use it (she often has to upload to many sites for marketing campaigns). on the other hand, i wish it could be more common to upload to one server/service and make that media available (allow permission) on other services. the social media web is very wasteful of bandwidth. eventually, this needs to change and be streamlined. emphasis on the 'allow permssion' ;) @sull On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Michael Verdi michaelve...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for the pixelpipe tip. I just used it to send video to blip (and then have blip put the link on twitter). Pretty cool. - Verdi On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Kevin Limbrainop...@gmail.combrainopera%40gmail.com wrote: BTW, one of my favorite apps for the iPhone 3G and 3GS is PixelPipe (it's free). PixelPipe 1.4.1 now lets you push video to more social networks/ media sharing sites, not just Youtube. I've been using it to simulcast photos to twitter and flickr on my 3G, and I'm now psyched that I can do something similar for video. For services like twitter, it apparently uploads video as .mov to its own pixelpipe server. As seen on their blog: http://blog.pixelpipe.com/2009/06/19/publishing-video-directly-from-the-iphone-3g-s-and-pixelpipe-1-4-1/ -- Michael Verdi http://milkweedmediadesign.com http://michaelverdi.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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On a related note, it's finally happened... a news broadcast produced from the iPhone 3GS. With the exception of Final Cut Pro being used for editing, the video was shot using the iPhone's improved camera while voice-overs were done using the iPhone's Voice Memos application. CBS4 News director, Adrienne Roark, intended to make television history, so you be the judge. New iPhone Good Enough For The Evening News - Watch CBS4 Producer Shoots Story On New iPhone 3G S http://cbs4.com/local/iphone.Apple.Gio.2.1054634.html [I hope someone makes a basic video editing app for the iPhone!] -- Kevin Lim Cyberculturalist http://theory.isthereason.com This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private email locator: ╔╗╔═╦╗ ║╚╣║║╚╗ ╚═╩═╩═╝ On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Michael Verdimichaelve...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the pixelpipe tip. I just used it to send video to blip (and then have blip put the link on twitter). Pretty cool. - Verdi On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Kevin Limbrainop...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, one of my favorite apps for the iPhone 3G and 3GS is PixelPipe (it's free). PixelPipe 1.4.1 now lets you push video to more social networks/ media sharing sites, not just Youtube. I've been using it to simulcast photos to twitter and flickr on my 3G, and I'm now psyched that I can do something similar for video. For services like twitter, it apparently uploads video as .mov to its own pixelpipe server. As seen on their blog: http://blog.pixelpipe.com/2009/06/19/publishing-video-directly-from-the-iphone-3g-s-and-pixelpipe-1-4-1/ -- Michael Verdi http://milkweedmediadesign.com http://michaelverdi.com
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I'm sticking with carrying my Xacti along with my original 2g iPhone. The quality is way better, especially with motion, Vimeo is better than Youtube, and unless I see Jesus H Christ walking thru West Philly, I can wait the hour that it takes to upload from my MBP. JC --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] iphone 3gs video testing so far To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 10:36 AM Y'all might be interested in my rambling blog post about video on the new iPhone 3GS - it's here: http://www.davidlee king.com/ 2009/06/22/ playing-with- iphone-3gs- video/ Verdi just told me that the iPhone only lets you email a 45 second video, BUT you can upload to Youtube as big as you want. Verdi also said that blip currently won't accept iPhone videos through email. Jay -- http://ryanishungry .com http://jaydedman. com http://twitter. com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I actually heard he was doing a stint in Cleveland. Jim On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:13 PM, John Coffey jimmycrackhead2...@yahoo.comwrote: I'm sticking with carrying my Xacti along with my original 2g iPhone. The quality is way better, especially with motion, Vimeo is better than Youtube, and unless I see Jesus H Christ walking thru West Philly, I can wait the hour that it takes to upload from my MBP. JC --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.comjay.dedman%40gmail.com wrote: From: Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com jay.dedman%40gmail.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] iphone 3gs video testing so far To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 10:36 AM Y'all might be interested in my rambling blog post about video on the new iPhone 3GS - it's here: http://www.davidlee king.com/ 2009/06/22/ playing-with- iphone-3gs- video/ Verdi just told me that the iPhone only lets you email a 45 second video, BUT you can upload to Youtube as big as you want. Verdi also said that blip currently won't accept iPhone videos through email. Jay -- http://ryanishungry .com http://jaydedman. com http://twitter. com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jim Turner One By One Media, LLC www.onebyonemedia.com www.bloggersforhire.com @Genuine this email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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the iphone video seems fairly good for most casual things. certainly not a replacement for a dedicated camera like an HD xacti. and if it was as good, well the phone would probably heat up nice and quick and battery would drain and of course the disk space would also quickly fill up and then their is the shitty ATT network to upload the large HD video through. yeah, still a ways to go. personally, i'd be quite happy with a Networked/Internet-enabled Xacti more than a sexy phone. a camera that can upload to the cloud. and maybe a few simple messaging apps to hook into twitter, facebook with a touch screen. but the camera is core, not the phone or ability to run hundreds of apps. i'd be in the market for that. @sull [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I just saw his show in Jersey The best show this side of RENT! Schlomo Rabinowitz http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking AIM:schlomochat On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:13 PM, John Coffey jimmycrackhead2...@yahoo.comwrote: I'm sticking with carrying my Xacti along with my original 2g iPhone. The quality is way better, especially with motion, Vimeo is better than Youtube, and unless I see Jesus H Christ walking thru West Philly, I can wait the hour that it takes to upload from my MBP. JC --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.comjay.dedman%40gmail.com wrote: From: Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com jay.dedman%40gmail.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] iphone 3gs video testing so far To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 10:36 AM Y'all might be interested in my rambling blog post about video on the new iPhone 3GS - it's here: http://www.davidlee king.com/ 2009/06/22/ playing-with- iphone-3gs- video/ Verdi just told me that the iPhone only lets you email a 45 second video, BUT you can upload to Youtube as big as you want. Verdi also said that blip currently won't accept iPhone videos through email. Jay -- http://ryanishungry .com http://jaydedman. com http://twitter. com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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David, Nice elaborate post! :) Frankly speaking, I upgraded to the latest iPhone for the camera! The auto-focus and auto white balance of the iPhone 3GS camera are great, and you can massage the focus by touching on specific subjects on screen. As you've noted, I too love the decent macro feature. I agree with the video orientation being a slight issue. I find that the sensor can't pick the proper orientation if you're shooting video in odd angles such as overhead view, common in most product review videos. Hopefully we can get to lock-in the orientation before shooting in future firmware updates. Trimming videos on the iPhone is a breeze, and I do wish we could copy and paste segments between clips. That would make the iPhone the easiest, powerful mobile video editing smartphone. Unlike the flip video cameras, the gamechanger for me is the ability to shoot, edit and upload decent video quality immediately on the move. While uploading videos to Youtube is simple, Youtube's lengthy process time (from adding description, encoding, verifying content signature) makes me shun it towards more quicker sharing systems like YFrog.us. I shot and uploaded this example mobile video tweet using Twittelator Pro: http://yfrog.us/14cflz If the #IranElection has shown us anything, it's about the trifecta of being in the right place, right time, right network. For the longest time, I've had too many interesting videos that never saw the light of day because they were left forgotten in the pile of hard drives. Finally, the iPhone 3GS actually uses an ARM chipset capable of 720p video, but it's not enabled in software. Won't be surprised if the next iPhone would be dubbed iPhone HD. Kevin Lim Cyberculturalist http://theory.isthereason.com This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private email locator: ╔╗╔═╦╗ ║╚╣║║╚╗ ╚═╩═╩═╝ On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:17 PM, David Kingdavidleek...@gmail.com wrote: Y'all might be interested in my rambling blog post about video on the new iPhone 3GS - it's here: http://www.davidleeking.com/2009/06/22/playing-with-iphone-3gs-video/ The video quality is not too shabby - reports are saying it's about as good as video on the non-HD Flip camera. I'm still a bit confused about the whole landscape vs vertical mode... sometimes I SWEAR I'm shooting in landscape mode ... but when I upload the video to YouTube, it's flipped it to vertical mode. Same with iPhoto and iMovie ... but not all the time. Anyway - check out my post! Anyone else get the new iphone? What do YOU think of its video capabilities? David Lee King davidleeking.com - blog davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog twitter | skype: davidleeking [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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so does this thing capture to h.264 (i assume)? On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Kevin Lim brainop...@gmail.com wrote: David, Nice elaborate post! :) Frankly speaking, I upgraded to the latest iPhone for the camera! The auto-focus and auto white balance of the iPhone 3GS camera are great, and you can massage the focus by touching on specific subjects on screen. As you've noted, I too love the decent macro feature. I agree with the video orientation being a slight issue. I find that the sensor can't pick the proper orientation if you're shooting video in odd angles such as overhead view, common in most product review videos. Hopefully we can get to lock-in the orientation before shooting in future firmware updates. Trimming videos on the iPhone is a breeze, and I do wish we could copy and paste segments between clips. That would make the iPhone the easiest, powerful mobile video editing smartphone. Unlike the flip video cameras, the gamechanger for me is the ability to shoot, edit and upload decent video quality immediately on the move. While uploading videos to Youtube is simple, Youtube's lengthy process time (from adding description, encoding, verifying content signature) makes me shun it towards more quicker sharing systems like YFrog.us. I shot and uploaded this example mobile video tweet using Twittelator Pro: http://yfrog.us/14cflz If the #IranElection has shown us anything, it's about the trifecta of being in the right place, right time, right network. For the longest time, I've had too many interesting videos that never saw the light of day because they were left forgotten in the pile of hard drives. Finally, the iPhone 3GS actually uses an ARM chipset capable of 720p video, but it's not enabled in software. Won't be surprised if the next iPhone would be dubbed iPhone HD. Kevin Lim Cyberculturalist http://theory.isthereason.com This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private email locator: ¥¨¥ ¸¨ ¡«µ¡¡«¨ « » » ® On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:17 PM, David Kingdavidleek...@gmail.comdavidleeking%40gmail.com wrote: Y'all might be interested in my rambling blog post about video on the new iPhone 3GS - it's here: http://www.davidleeking.com/2009/06/22/playing-with-iphone-3gs-video/ The video quality is not too shabby - reports are saying it's about as good as video on the non-HD Flip camera. I'm still a bit confused about the whole landscape vs vertical mode... sometimes I SWEAR I'm shooting in landscape mode ... but when I upload the video to YouTube, it's flipped it to vertical mode. Same with iPhoto and iMovie ... but not all the time. Anyway - check out my post! Anyone else get the new iphone? What do YOU think of its video capabilities? David Lee King davidleeking.com - blog davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog twitter | skype: davidleeking [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:videoblogging-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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nevermind. i am reading david's post ;) 2009/6/22 Michael Sullivan sullele...@gmail.com so does this thing capture to h.264 (i assume)? On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Kevin Lim brainop...@gmail.com wrote: David, Nice elaborate post! :) Frankly speaking, I upgraded to the latest iPhone for the camera! The auto-focus and auto white balance of the iPhone 3GS camera are great, and you can massage the focus by touching on specific subjects on screen. As you've noted, I too love the decent macro feature. I agree with the video orientation being a slight issue. I find that the sensor can't pick the proper orientation if you're shooting video in odd angles such as overhead view, common in most product review videos. Hopefully we can get to lock-in the orientation before shooting in future firmware updates. Trimming videos on the iPhone is a breeze, and I do wish we could copy and paste segments between clips. That would make the iPhone the easiest, powerful mobile video editing smartphone. Unlike the flip video cameras, the gamechanger for me is the ability to shoot, edit and upload decent video quality immediately on the move. While uploading videos to Youtube is simple, Youtube's lengthy process time (from adding description, encoding, verifying content signature) makes me shun it towards more quicker sharing systems like YFrog.us. I shot and uploaded this example mobile video tweet using Twittelator Pro: http://yfrog.us/14cflz If the #IranElection has shown us anything, it's about the trifecta of being in the right place, right time, right network. For the longest time, I've had too many interesting videos that never saw the light of day because they were left forgotten in the pile of hard drives. Finally, the iPhone 3GS actually uses an ARM chipset capable of 720p video, but it's not enabled in software. Won't be surprised if the next iPhone would be dubbed iPhone HD. Kevin Lim Cyberculturalist http://theory.isthereason.com This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private email locator: ¥¨¥ ¸¨ ¡«µ¡¡«¨ « » » ® On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:17 PM, David Kingdavidleek...@gmail.comdavidleeking%40gmail.com wrote: Y'all might be interested in my rambling blog post about video on the new iPhone 3GS - it's here: http://www.davidleeking.com/2009/06/22/playing-with-iphone-3gs-video/ The video quality is not too shabby - reports are saying it's about as good as video on the non-HD Flip camera. I'm still a bit confused about the whole landscape vs vertical mode... sometimes I SWEAR I'm shooting in landscape mode ... but when I upload the video to YouTube, it's flipped it to vertical mode. Same with iPhoto and iMovie ... but not all the time. Anyway - check out my post! Anyone else get the new iphone? What do YOU think of its video capabilities? David Lee King davidleeking.com - blog davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog twitter | skype: davidleeking [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:videoblogging-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Yes it does! H.264 and aac for audio. Pretty cool! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:08 PM, Michael Sullivan sullele...@gmail.com wrote: so does this thing capture to h.264 (i assume)? On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Kevin Lim brainop...@gmail.com wrote: David, Nice elaborate post! :) Frankly speaking, I upgraded to the latest iPhone for the camera! The auto-focus and auto white balance of the iPhone 3GS camera are great, and you can massage the focus by touching on specific subjects on screen. As you've noted, I too love the decent macro feature. I agree with the video orientation being a slight issue. I find that the sensor can't pick the proper orientation if you're shooting video in odd angles such as overhead view, common in most product review videos. Hopefully we can get to lock-in the orientation before shooting in future firmware updates. Trimming videos on the iPhone is a breeze, and I do wish we could copy and paste segments between clips. That would make the iPhone the easiest, powerful mobile video editing smartphone. Unlike the flip video cameras, the gamechanger for me is the ability to shoot, edit and upload decent video quality immediately on the move. While uploading videos to Youtube is simple, Youtube's lengthy process time (from adding description, encoding, verifying content signature) makes me shun it towards more quicker sharing systems like YFrog.us. I shot and uploaded this example mobile video tweet using Twittelator Pro: http://yfrog.us/14cflz If the #IranElection has shown us anything, it's about the trifecta of being in the right place, right time, right network. For the longest time, I've had too many interesting videos that never saw the light of day because they were left forgotten in the pile of hard drives. Finally, the iPhone 3GS actually uses an ARM chipset capable of 720p video, but it's not enabled in software. Won't be surprised if the next iPhone would be dubbed iPhone HD. Kevin Lim Cyberculturalist http://theory.isthereason.com This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private email locator: ¥¨¥ ¸¨ ¡«µ¡¡«¨ « » » ® On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:17 PM, David Kingdavidleek...@gmail.comdavidleeking%40gmail.com wrote: Y'all might be interested in my rambling blog post about video on the new iPhone 3GS - it's here: http://www.davidleeking.com/2009/06/22/playing-with-iphone-3gs- video/ The video quality is not too shabby - reports are saying it's about as good as video on the non-HD Flip camera. I'm still a bit confused about the whole landscape vs vertical mode... sometimes I SWEAR I'm shooting in landscape mode ... but when I upload the video to YouTube, it's flipped it to vertical mode. Same with iPhoto and iMovie ... but not all the time. Anyway - check out my post! Anyone else get the new iphone? What do YOU think of its video capabilities? David Lee King davidleeking.com - blog davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog twitter | skype: davidleeking [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
