[Videolib] media/digital/transliteracy?
I have been asked to talk to faculty about some version of these literacies, and suggest some ways our library help our students become more media/digital, or trans literate. My first question: what is the difference between these terms? And the second is like it: what is the preferred term? And finally, if anyone has any ideas about programs or services that might support development of said literacies, I'd love to hear them. Thanks, as always, o collective wisdom! Maureen Tripp Media Librarian Iwasaki Library 120 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02116 maureen_tr...@emerson.edu (617)824-8407 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] media/digital/transliteracy?
A little confused. Are you asking the difference between the terms media Digital or media digital and trans literate. I have no idea what the last term means. On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Maureen Tripp maureen_tr...@emerson.eduwrote: I have been asked to talk to faculty about some version of these “literacies”, and suggest some ways our library help our students become more media/digital, or trans literate. My first question: what is the difference between these terms? And the second is like it: what is the preferred term? And finally, if anyone has any ideas about programs or services that might support development of said literacies, I’d love to hear them. Thanks, as always, o collective wisdom! Maureen Tripp Media Librarian Iwasaki Library 120 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02116 maureen_tr...@emerson.edu (617)824-8407 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] media/digital/transliteracy?
Cool! Yeah...I think there are major and significant differences between digital literacy and media literacy (the latter sometimes referred to as visual literacy) This is my thinking: Digital literacy comprises two types of understanding: technical and content/critical. The former has to do with the physical act of negotiating the complex terrain of devices, databases, etc.--knowing how to push the buttons and make the digital dog jump thru hoops. Knowing the apposite uses and limits of the technology. The latter has to do with the critical assessment of the content contained in the digital domain: how to read and assess web resources and other online content; how to effectively (and ethically) use digital content in research and learning. Media literacy (or visual literacy)has to do with the critical reading and assessment of the images (and sounds) offered up via various media (including online)...in other words, MEF territory: how to understand the ways in which various media work us over, inform our lives, shape the world. Understanding the grammar, syntax, and semiotics of media images...the movies and docs and the news and sitcoms and everything else that moves on the screen. Understanding the politics and means of media manipulation and distribution. At least that's my take. Gary I have been asked to talk to faculty about some version of these literacies, and suggest some ways our library help our students become more media/digital, or trans literate. My first question: what is the difference between these terms? And the second is like it: what is the preferred term? And finally, if anyone has any ideas about programs or services that might support development of said literacies, I'd love to hear them. Thanks, as always, o collective wisdom! Maureen Tripp Media Librarian Iwasaki Library 120 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02116 maureen_tr...@emerson.edu (617)824-8407 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] media/digital/transliteracy?
Transliteracy is kinda the same as Information Literacy, but without so much bias as to the information source. Images, websites, Twitter, film... it's all fair game in Transliteracy. The idea is to be able to apply the principals of access, evaluation and use across formats. This definition was given at a talk recently: the ability to read, write and interact across a range of platforms, tools and media... Brian Hulsey was the presenter: http://librariesandtransliteracy.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/transliteracies-libraries-as-the-critical-%e2%80%9cclassroom%e2%80%9d-computers-in-libraries-2011/ Matt __ Matt Ball Media Services Librarian University of Virginia mattb...@virginia.eduhttps://mail.eservices.virginia.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=f9bb9e66e0cb45eb9c98da126198ad7eURL=mailto%3amattball%40virginia.edu 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Maureen Tripp Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:20 PM To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu' Subject: [Videolib] media/digital/transliteracy? I have been asked to talk to faculty about some version of these literacies, and suggest some ways our library help our students become more media/digital, or trans literate. My first question: what is the difference between these terms? And the second is like it: what is the preferred term? And finally, if anyone has any ideas about programs or services that might support development of said literacies, I'd love to hear them. Thanks, as always, o collective wisdom! Maureen Tripp Media Librarian Iwasaki Library 120 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02116 maureen_tr...@emerson.edumailto:maureen_tr...@emerson.edu (617)824-8407 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] media/digital/transliteracy?
My personal feeling is that the transliteracy concept is a major crock (yet another!). The implicit assumption behind this notion is that all content served digitally somehow has equal cultural, intellectual, or cognitive valence...that, somehow, the means of delivery is the message (thank you very, much Mr. McL)--or at least the most salient issue. The attempt to apply principles of access and evaluation across formats is unspeakably wrongheaded...the fact of the matter is that, if you focus on the nature of media content (rather than content delivery) it's abundantly clear that each medium has it's own unique set of rules, uses and misuses, grammar, and history. The fact that all this stuff is increasingly shoved over wires doesn't obviate the need to deal with each medium as unique. Students (and others) don't usually make these kinds of distinction: some would view that as a good thing...I view it as catastrophic. Gary H. Transliteracy is kinda the same as Information Literacy, but without so much bias as to the information source. Images, websites, Twitter, film... it's all fair game in Transliteracy. The idea is to be able to apply the principals of access, evaluation and use across formats. This definition was given at a talk recently: the ability to read, write and interact across a range of platforms, tools and media... Brian Hulsey was the presenter: http://librariesandtransliteracy.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/transliteracies-libraries-as-the-critical-%e2%80%9cclassroom%e2%80%9d-computers-in-libraries-2011/ Matt __ Matt Ball Media Services Librarian University of Virginia mattb...@virginia.eduhttps://mail.eservices.virginia.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=f9bb9e66e0cb45eb9c98da126198ad7eURL=mailto%3amattball%40virginia.edu 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Maureen Tripp Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:20 PM To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu' Subject: [Videolib] media/digital/transliteracy? I have been asked to talk to faculty about some version of these literacies, and suggest some ways our library help our students become more media/digital, or trans literate. My first question: what is the difference between these terms? And the second is like it: what is the preferred term? And finally, if anyone has any ideas about programs or services that might support development of said literacies, I'd love to hear them. Thanks, as always, o collective wisdom! Maureen Tripp Media Librarian Iwasaki Library 120 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02116 maureen_tr...@emerson.edumailto:maureen_tr...@emerson.edu (617)824-8407 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] media/digital/transliteracy?
Hi Maureen, Trans lit is a new one for me too. Glad Matt was able to clarify because I went a totally different direction. As a producer, we deal mainly in media literacy. The best organization I know that may be able to help is the Center for Media Literacy. Check out http://www.medialit.org/. Regards, Bob Robert A. Norris Managing Director Film Ideas, Inc. Phone: (847) 419-0255 Email: b...@filmideas.com Web:www.filmideas.com www.FIChannels.com On Dec 6, 2011, at 2:07 PM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online
Here: http://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/newsletters/newsletterbucketljxpress/892497-441/still_loading__av_spotlight.html.csp I don't disagree with much of the article, but the focus is almost entirely on entertainment. I wrote a long, rambling comment, but so far I am the only one…. Join the fray! -deg -- deg farrelly Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] media/digital/transliteracy?
Maureen- Multimodal is a term writing faculty use at NU. But some librarians are using transliteracy. Here is a link to a video on transliteracy on my media literacy tab on my subject guide. http://subjectguides.lib.neu.edu/content.php?pid=70924sid=564965 There's a great book called Multimodal Composition: Resources for Teachers, edited by Cynthia L. Selfe which is used by faculty here. Debra From: Maureen Tripp maureen_tr...@emerson.edumailto:maureen_tr...@emerson.edu Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:19:31 -0500 To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] media/digital/transliteracy? I have been asked to talk to faculty about some version of these “literacies”, and suggest some ways our library help our students become more media/digital, or trans literate. My first question: what is the difference between these terms? And the second is like it: what is the preferred term? And finally, if anyone has any ideas about programs or services that might support development of said literacies, I’d love to hear them. Thanks, as always, o collective wisdom! Maureen Tripp Media Librarian Iwasaki Library 120 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02116 maureen_tr...@emerson.edumailto:maureen_tr...@emerson.edu (617)824-8407 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] media/digital/transliteracy?
Hi Maureen, Great questions, a topic dear to my heart! There are multiple definitions for each depending on perspective, each with varying approaches (which gets to the pedagogical means of developing these skill sets, and I believe for Libraries, a framework for articulating related programmatic support). Media Literacy: Here is a website I recently developed that helps define media literacy, including approaches for instructors to integrating these concepts into teaching and learning: http://www.lib.umn.edu/media/teachingmedialiteracy Media Assignments: http://www.lib.umn.edu/media/assignmentsupport Case Studies: http://www.lib.umn.edu/media/profiles Our program has been heavily inspired by Kellner and Shares (2007), who articulated 4 approaches, three of which I think of as true approaches (family values approach..not so much): Media Arts Education (creative production, aesthetic appreciation), Media Literacy Movement (locating, accessing, analyzing media as one would print, mainly in popular mass contexts - not as deep as critical media literacy) and Critical Media Literacy Approach (as Gary suggested, MEF territory; a critical reading of media (in all forms) and representations, also including alternative forms of production and communication). There is a lot of overlap with the other new literacies (e.g., visual, aural, digital). Digital Literacy: I have found that older concepts tend to define digital literacy more as having the skill sets to utilize technology to access information and communicate in a digital environment, while more modern concept tend to define digital literacy as the ability to traverse and understand information in a digital (online) envirionment. Transliteracy: I'll leave this wild territory for Tom Ipri: http://crln.acrl.org/content/71/10/532.full I'd be happy to discuss further offline. Best, Scott On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:07 PM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: Send videolib mailing list submissions to videolib@lists.berkeley.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/videolib@lists.berkeley.edu or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu You can reach the person managing the list at videolib-ow...@lists.berkeley.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of videolib digest... Today's Topics: 1. media/digital/transliteracy? (Maureen Tripp) 2. Re: media/digital/transliteracy? (Jessica Rosner) 3. Re: media/digital/transliteracy? (ghand...@library.berkeley.edu) 4. Re: media/digital/transliteracy? (Ball, James (jmb4aw)) 5. Re: media/digital/transliteracy? (ghand...@library.berkeley.edu) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:19:31 -0500 From: Maureen Tripp maureen_tr...@emerson.edu Subject: [Videolib] media/digital/transliteracy? To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu' videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: f36cca2feb59fe4aae8e7a4ec990c0120189a6294...@typhoon.emerson.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been asked to talk to faculty about some version of these literacies, and suggest some ways our library help our students become more media/digital, or trans literate. My first question: what is the difference between these terms? And the second is like it: what is the preferred term? And finally, if anyone has any ideas about programs or services that might support development of said literacies, I'd love to hear them. Thanks, as always, o collective wisdom! Maureen Tripp Media Librarian Iwasaki Library 120 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02116 maureen_tr...@emerson.edu (617)824-8407 -- next part -- An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:36:25 -0500 From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Videolib] media/digital/transliteracy? To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: CACRe6m9mPmANQcwqKQ3vuHwFDyh35KWWmG2ThCFnXzEXf0z=x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 A little confused. Are you asking the difference between the terms media Digital or media digital and trans literate. I have no idea what the last term means. On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Maureen Tripp maureen_tr...@emerson.edu wrote: I have been asked to talk to faculty about some version of these ?literacies?, and suggest some ways our library help our students become more media/digital, or trans literate. My first question: what is the difference between these terms? And the second is like it: what is the preferred term? And finally, if anyone has any ideas about programs or services that might support development of
Re: [Videolib] Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online
Hi Deg, As the author of that piece I wanted to thank you for agreeing with most of the article (we have that in common), and for also addressing educational aspects as part of the WHOLE media discussion - it is certainly an integral part of the picture, was considered as such, and will hopefully result in future coverage. Frankly, in this format, there was way too much to talk about. My research took many more factors into consideration and along those lines I easily could've added 5k more words of coverage, this, plus the fact that the topic is/was so much in active development due to constantly changing this just in information it often felt as though i was reporting on where a clock's second hand has been 5 minutes ago. So you go with what you can and attempt to put it and its context into perspective as best you can - even though there is always the fear that such live information might leap directly from your monitor into a bin of irrelevancy. The intent of this piece was more for, as you mentioned, entertainment purposes with a mind towards establishing base level education of how things work so that we might encourage and nurture elaboration on many different levels. This wasn't to slight. I'm pushing to get more of, well, EVERYTHING going on the topic (discussion, dialogue, camaraderie, support, interest, understanding, representation, conference presentations [physical and virtual], etc.) and i hope attention given to and stemming from works like this will help to do so. Let's keep it going. Thanks - Ben -Original Message- From: Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu To: videolib videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 3:47 pm Subject: [Videolib] Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online Here: http://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/newsletters/newsletterbucketljxpress/892497-441/still_loading__av_spotlight.html.csp I don't disagree with much of the article, but the focus is almost entirely on ntertainment. I wrote a long, rambling comment, but so far I am the only one…. Join the fray! -deg - eg farrelly rizona State University .O. Box 871006 empe, AZ 85287 hone: 480.965.1403 mail: deg.farre...@asu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues elating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, reservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and elated institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective orking tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between ibraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] and how could I have forgotten . . .
Information literacy So many, many literacies. Maureen Tripp Media Librarian Iwasaki Library 120 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02116 maureen_tr...@emerson.edu (617)824-8407 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online
Ben, I think you are a bit hard on companies that don't offer streaming. Most of the small companies you site don't likely have enough of market to set up their own streaming system. In most cases they do offer streaming rights for libraries that want to do it on their own system ( FYI I don't think Kino Lorber offer direct streaming only rights but someone can correct me on that). Rights issues can be particularly vexing for small companies specializing in educational/ independent and especially foreign films. Old contracts need to be redone in many cases and rights generally have a fixed period for which the company can stream the film ( or do anything else). Contracts expire and thus rights expire unlike the vast majority of studio titles. For obvious reasons a small company that might have anywhere from 50 to 500 titles in its collection has to have a different model than studios or netflix with have tens or hundreds of thousands. Small companies are committed to working with libraries both public and academic so their films can be seen used at a reasonable price but tech and rights issues are a problem. Regards Jessica On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:43 PM, bmal...@aol.com wrote: Hi Deg, As the author of that piece I wanted to thank you for agreeing with *most*of the article (we have that in common), and for also addressing educational aspects as part of the WHOLE media discussion - it is certainly an integral part of the picture, was considered as such, and will hopefully result in future coverage. Frankly, in this format, there was way too much to talk about. My research took many more factors into consideration and along those lines I easily could've added 5k more words of coverage, this, plus the fact that the topic is/was *so much *in active development due to constantly changing this just in information it often felt as though i was reporting on where a clock's second hand has been 5 minutes ago. So you go with what you can and attempt to put it and its context into perspective as best you can - even though there is always the fear that such live information might leap directly from your monitor into a bin of irrelevancy. The intent of this piece was more for, as you mentioned, entertainment purposes with a mind towards establishing base level education of how things work so that we might encourage and nurture elaboration on many different levels. This wasn't to slight. I'm pushing to get more of, well, EVERYTHING going on the topic (discussion, dialogue, camaraderie, support, interest, understanding, representation, conference presentations [physical and virtual], etc.) and i hope attention given to and stemming from works like this will help to do so. Let's keep it going. Thanks - Ben -Original Message- From: Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu To: videolib videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 3:47 pm Subject: [Videolib] Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online Here: http://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/newsletters/newsletterbucketljxpress/892497-441/still_loading__av_spotlight.html.csp I don't disagree with much of the article, but the focus is almost entirely on entertainment. I wrote a long, rambling comment, but so far I am the only one…. Join the fray! -deg -- deg farrelly Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online
Hi Jessica - If tonality came off as harsh for not offering, then I apologize. The intent was to cover things objectively as a state of the union. I agree with you 100% - and many of these smaller distributers/producers/providers, etc. are favs of mine. On some accounts, their mention was something of a name drop to build awareness so that catalogs might be checked out and awareness to them brought - as much as my article last year discussed New Yorker Films who at that time was out of business (i wanted to draw some attention to them, their catalog, and that). To this extent, the ability to offer streaming isn't meant to be a negative either - perhaps even viewed as a comment in its own right - and meant to for information purposes. I too am a huge proponent of coming up with an approach that sidesteps a big dog distributor (as content provider) and would like to see libraries work with small companies in an effort to develop a model that, quite efficiently, might eliminate such middle men - and remove them of some power. Whether that be through catalog access or a la cart style (title by title) purchasing. ben -Original Message- From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com To: videolib videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [Videolib] Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online Ben, I think you are a bit hard on companies that don't offer streaming. Most of the small companies you site don't likely have enough of market to set up their own streaming system. In most cases they do offer streaming rights for libraries that want to do it on their own system ( FYI I don't think Kino Lorber offer direct streaming only rights but someone can correct me on that). Rights issues can be particularly vexing for small companies specializing in educational/ independent and especially foreign films. Old contracts need to be redone in many cases and rights generally have a fixed period for which the company can stream the film ( or do anything else). Contracts expire and thus rights expire unlike the vast majority of studio titles. For obvious reasons a small company that might have anywhere from 50 to 500 titles in its collection has to have a different model than studios or netflix with have tens or hundreds of thousands. Small companies are committed to working with libraries both public and academic so their films can be seen used at a reasonable price but tech and rights issues are a problem. Regards Jessica On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:43 PM, bmal...@aol.com wrote: Hi Deg, As the author of that piece I wanted to thank you for agreeing with most of the article (we have that in common), and for also addressing educational aspects as part of the WHOLE media discussion - it is certainly an integral part of the picture, was considered as such, and will hopefully result in future coverage. Frankly, in this format, there was way too much to talk about. My research took many more factors into consideration and along those lines I easily could've added 5k more words of coverage, this, plus the fact that the topic is/was so much in active development due to constantly changing this just in information it often felt as though i was reporting on where a clock's second hand has been 5 minutes ago. So you go with what you can and attempt to put it and its context into perspective as best you can - even though there is always the fear that such live information might leap directly from your monitor into a bin of irrelevancy. The intent of this piece was more for, as you mentioned, entertainment purposes with a mind towards establishing base level education of how things work so that we might encourage and nurture elaboration on many different levels. This wasn't to slight. I'm pushing to get more of, well, EVERYTHING going on the topic (discussion, dialogue, camaraderie, support, interest, understanding, representation, conference presentations [physical and virtual], etc.) and i hope attention given to and stemming from works like this will help to do so. Let's keep it going. Thanks - Ben -Original Message- From: Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu To: videolib videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 3:47 pm Subject: [Videolib] Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online Here: http://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/newsletters/newsletterbucketljxpress/892497-441/still_loading__av_spotlight.html.csp I don't disagree with much of the article, but the focus is almost entirely on ntertainment. I wrote a long, rambling comment, but so far I am the only one…. Join the fray! -deg - eg farrelly rizona State University .O. Box 871006 empe, AZ 85287 hone: 480.965.1403 mail: deg.farre...@asu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues elating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, reservation, and use of current and
[Videolib] LJ Article
Ben I salute you for getting such a long piece into Library Journal, where it can reach a broad audience. Media is far too often ignored in the library field. I hope the article engenders much interest and discussion! Thanx. -deg -Original Message- As the author of that piece I wanted to thank you for agreeing with most of the article (we have that in common), and for also addressing educational aspects as part of the WHOLE media discussion - VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] The Wind....
Anyone know if The Wind (1928) with Lillian Gish has made it to DVD? I found a VHS copy of it on amazon, but I really hate to purchase it at this point in time. Rhonda Rhonda Rosen| Head, Media Access Services William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659 rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu| 310/338-4584| http://library.lmu.eduhttp://library.lmu.edu/ You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where people sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of employing wild animals as librarians. --Monty Python VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] The Wind....
Nope We're still holding tight to our laser disc version and have made a 108 replacement copy. gary handman Anyone know if The Wind (1928) with Lillian Gish has made it to DVD? I found a VHS copy of it on amazon, but I really hate to purchase it at this point in time. Rhonda Rhonda Rosen| Head, Media Access Services William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659 rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu| 310/338-4584| http://library.lmu.eduhttp://library.lmu.edu/ You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where people sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of employing wild animals as librarians. --Monty Python VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] The Wind....
very! g And I found this site with a DVD, but I'm kind of assuming it is bootleg? http://springfield-massachusetts.olx.com/the-wind-dvd-lillian-gish-victor-sjostrom-1928-iid-127904100 From: Rosen, Rhonda J. Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:38 PM To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu' Subject: The Wind Anyone know if The Wind (1928) with Lillian Gish has made it to DVD? I found a VHS copy of it on amazon, but I really hate to purchase it at this point in time. Rhonda Rhonda Rosen| Head, Media Access Services William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659 rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu| 310/338-4584| http://library.lmu.eduhttp://library.lmu.edu/ You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where people sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of employing wild animals as librarians. --Monty Python VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] LJ Article
Much obliged sir. Let's keep the dialogue rolling. ben -Original Message- From: Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu To: videolib videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 6:11 pm Subject: [Videolib] LJ Article Ben I salute you for getting such a long piece into Library Journal, where it can each a broad audience. Media is far too often ignored in the library field. I hope the article engenders much interest and discussion! Thanx. -deg Original Message- As the author of that piece I wanted to thank you for agreeing with most of the rticle (we have that in common), and for also ddressing educational aspects as part of the WHOLE media discussion - IDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues elating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, reservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and elated institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective orking tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between ibraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Comedy Central wins South Park fair use/parody lawsuit
Never mess with satire re copyright. Here is one my favorite cases http://articles.cnn.com/2003-08-22/justice/fox.franken_1_fox-news-channel-trademarked-slogan-fnc?_s=PM:LAW On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: FYI http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/163528/comedy-central-prevails-in-south-park-lawsuit.html -deg -- deg farrelly Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online
I did not mean to give you a hard time and I appreciate your mentioning the little guys. I have just been frustrating explaining why a lot of the little guys I work with can't directly stream their works ( but hopefully they can make up for it by offering lifetime rights) and the extra run of rights issues. On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:56 PM, bmal...@aol.com wrote: Hi Jessica - If tonality came off as harsh for not offering, then I apologize. The intent was to cover things objectively as a state of the union. I agree with you 100% - and many of these smaller distributers/producers/providers, etc. are favs of mine. On some accounts, their mention was something of a name drop to build awareness so that catalogs might be checked out and awareness to them brought - as much as my article last year discussed New Yorker Films who at that time was out of business (i wanted to draw some attention to them, their catalog, and that). To this extent, the ability to offer streaming isn't meant to be a negative either - perhaps even viewed as a comment in its own right - and meant to for information purposes. I too am a huge proponent of coming up with an approach that sidesteps a big dog distributor (as content provider) and would like to see libraries work with small companies in an effort to develop a model that, quite efficiently, might eliminate such middle men - and remove them of some power. Whether that be through catalog access or a la cart style (title by title) purchasing. ben -Original Message- From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com To: videolib videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [Videolib] Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online Ben, I think you are a bit hard on companies that don't offer streaming. Most of the small companies you site don't likely have enough of market to set up their own streaming system. In most cases they do offer streaming rights for libraries that want to do it on their own system ( FYI I don't think Kino Lorber offer direct streaming only rights but someone can correct me on that). Rights issues can be particularly vexing for small companies specializing in educational/ independent and especially foreign films. Old contracts need to be redone in many cases and rights generally have a fixed period for which the company can stream the film ( or do anything else). Contracts expire and thus rights expire unlike the vast majority of studio titles. For obvious reasons a small company that might have anywhere from 50 to 500 titles in its collection has to have a different model than studios or netflix with have tens or hundreds of thousands. Small companies are committed to working with libraries both public and academic so their films can be seen used at a reasonable price but tech and rights issues are a problem. Regards Jessica On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:43 PM, bmal...@aol.com wrote: Hi Deg, As the author of that piece I wanted to thank you for agreeing with *most * of the article (we have that in common), and for also addressing educational aspects as part of the WHOLE media discussion - it is certainly an integral part of the picture, was considered as such, and will hopefully result in future coverage. Frankly, in this format, there was way too much to talk about. My research took many more factors into consideration and along those lines I easily could've added 5k more words of coverage, this, plus the fact that the topic is/was *so much *in active development due to constantly changing this just in information it often felt as though i was reporting on where a clock's second hand has been 5 minutes ago. So you go with what you can and attempt to put it and its context into perspective as best you can - even though there is always the fear that such live information might leap directly from your monitor into a bin of irrelevancy. The intent of this piece was more for, as you mentioned, entertainment purposes with a mind towards establishing base level education of how things work so that we might encourage and nurture elaboration on many different levels. This wasn't to slight. I'm pushing to get more of, well, EVERYTHING going on the topic (discussion, dialogue, camaraderie, support, interest, understanding, representation, conference presentations [physical and virtual], etc.) and i hope attention given to and stemming from works like this will help to do so. Let's keep it going. Thanks - Ben -Original Message- From: Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu To: videolib videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 3:47 pm Subject: [Videolib] Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online Here: http://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/newsletters/newsletterbucketljxpress/892497-441/still_loading__av_spotlight.html.csp I don't disagree with much of the article, but the focus is almost entirely on
Re: [Videolib] Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online
I hear you, and i hate seeing them have to unfairly overcompensate - as if their product was something of compromising value - in order to compete or even, seemingly, have a seat at the table. I believe there has been imposed upon us an unnatural (and irrational) sense of urgency - that we must act and align (with somebody BIG) right now as if our very relevancy and effectiveness relied upon it. This is just a marketing ploy, and given that the medium itself lends a sexiness to it, it is easy to succumb to - nobody wants to miss out on the fun and excitement. But it's this impetuousness that will cost us qualitycontent/titles (and the further development/production of future titles) if we aren't careful. Not to be trite when speaking of continuing this dialogue etc., but i do believe that there is power in our numbers and that we have to organize a front. Even by starting small and setting up ergonomic access and purchasing models on a mini-scale - just to get our hands dirty is of value. I feel there is too much conjecture and not enough trial (and, yes, the inevitable error). I think we need to start getting our hands dirty - it's not as though any of us don't have ideas for what works, doesn't, or maybe could. (Strong, vague words I know.) While there is an argument that there will always be big guys and little guys and that they each have a role in the media's ecosystem, I fear that the unique rub with this current frenzied rush to find/establish a monotheistic content-provider universe is that this more tech-centric delivery method (and the tentative economic climate) might leave many smaller guys in the dust. ben -Original Message- From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com To: videolib videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 8:20 pm Subject: Re: [Videolib] Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online I did not mean to give you a hard time and I appreciate your mentioning the little guys. I have just been frustrating explaining why a lot of the little guys I work with can't directly stream their works ( but hopefully they can make up for it by offering lifetime rights) and the extra run of rights issues. On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:56 PM, bmal...@aol.com wrote: Hi Jessica - If tonality came off as harsh for not offering, then I apologize. The intent was to cover things objectively as a state of the union. I agree with you 100% - and many of these smaller distributers/producers/providers, etc. are favs of mine. On some accounts, their mention was something of a name drop to build awareness so that catalogs might be checked out and awareness to them brought - as much as my article last year discussed New Yorker Films who at that time was out of business (i wanted to draw some attention to them, their catalog, and that). To this extent, the ability to offer streaming isn't meant to be a negative either - perhaps even viewed as a comment in its own right - and meant to for information purposes. I too am a huge proponent of coming up with an approach that sidesteps a big dog distributor (as content provider) and would like to see libraries work with small companies in an effort to develop a model that, quite efficiently, might eliminate such middle men - and remove them of some power. Whether that be through catalog access or a la cart style (title by title) purchasing. ben -Original Message- From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com To: videolib videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [Videolib] Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online Ben, I think you are a bit hard on companies that don't offer streaming. Most of the small companies you site don't likely have enough of market to set up their own streaming system. In most cases they do offer streaming rights for libraries that want to do it on their own system ( FYI I don't think Kino Lorber offer direct streaming only rights but someone can correct me on that). Rights issues can be particularly vexing for small companies specializing in educational/ independent and especially foreign films. Old contracts need to be redone in many cases and rights generally have a fixed period for which the company can stream the film ( or do anything else). Contracts expire and thus rights expire unlike the vast majority of studio titles. For obvious reasons a small company that might have anywhere from 50 to 500 titles in its collection has to have a different model than studios or netflix with have tens or hundreds of thousands. Small companies are committed to working with libraries both public and academic so their films can be seen used at a reasonable price but tech and rights issues are a problem. Regards Jessica On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:43 PM, bmal...@aol.com wrote: Hi Deg, As the author of that piece I wanted to thank you for agreeing with most of the article (we have that in
