Re: [Videolib] thanks, Sarah, and Jessica!

[Maureen Tripp]

love this list!

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu  
on behalf of Sarah E. McCleskey 
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 12:53 PM
To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu'
Subject: Re: [Videolib] looking for a DVD or streaming version of The   
PromisedLand

Hi Maureen,

Kanopy has it.

Sarah

-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Maureen Tripp
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:14 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] looking for a DVD or streaming version of The Promised Land

This is the 1995 documentary produced by Discovery and BBC, with Morgan Freeman 
as narrator, about the migration of African Americans from the Southern states 
to Chicago.  It's excellent, and our VHS copy gets heavy use, but can't go on 
forever!
If anyone has any information on this title, I'd appreciate it!
Maureen

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[Videolib] Thanks and Good-bye

[Michael Vollmar-Grone]

Wanted to extend my thanks for the years of helpful advice from this 
group and
a special clack of the slateboard to  Gary, wherever-you-may-be, and Randy.
This listserv and Video Librarian, along with Roger Ebert's reviews, 
were fundamental in my career.
And Jim Scholtz, if you are still out there, thanks for launching me in 
this great profession.
Your book sits next to Gary's on my bookshelf to this day.

I will be retiring at the end of February.
What a long strange trip it's been.
Happy trails.
Mike

-- 

Michael Vollmar-Grone
Director of Technical Services
Shelby County Libraries
230 East North Street
Sidney, OH 45365
(937) 492-6851 x.119
http://shelbyco.lib.oh.us/
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Re: [Videolib] Thanks and Good-bye

[Nell J Chenault]

Congratuations!

Ditto on the foundational thanks ... and to Kris Brancolini and Sally
Mason-Robinson.

Nell Chenault
VCU Libraries

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Michael Vollmar-Grone vollm...@oplin.org
wrote:

 Wanted to extend my thanks for the years of helpful advice from this
 group and
 a special clack of the slateboard to  Gary, wherever-you-may-be, and Randy.
 This listserv and Video Librarian, along with Roger Ebert's reviews,
 were fundamental in my career.
 And Jim Scholtz, if you are still out there, thanks for launching me in
 this great profession.
 Your book sits next to Gary's on my bookshelf to this day.

 I will be retiring at the end of February.
 What a long strange trip it's been.
 Happy trails.
 Mike

 --

 Michael Vollmar-Grone
 Director of Technical Services
 Shelby County Libraries
 230 East North Street
 Sidney, OH 45365
 (937) 492-6851 x.119
 http://shelbyco.lib.oh.us/
 http://www.facebook.com/ShelbyCountyLibraries
 vollm...@oplin.org


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 libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
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 communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
 producers and distributors.

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Re: [Videolib] Thanks and Good-bye

[Randy Pitman]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the kind words. And thanks for fighting the good fight of 
championing video collection development in libraries. Congrats! (You lucky 
dog, you get to skirt digital :)

Best,

Randy

Randy Pitman
Publisher/Editor
Video Librarian
3435 NE Nine Boulder Dr.
Poulsbo, WA 98370
Tel: (360) 626-1259
Fax (360) 626-1260
E-mail: vid...@videolibrarian.com
Web: www.videolibrarian.com
-Original Message- 
From: Michael Vollmar-Grone
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:51 AM
To: VideoLib
Subject: [Videolib] Thanks and Good-bye

Wanted to extend my thanks for the years of helpful advice from this
group and
a special clack of the slateboard to  Gary, wherever-you-may-be, and Randy.
This listserv and Video Librarian, along with Roger Ebert's reviews,
were fundamental in my career.
And Jim Scholtz, if you are still out there, thanks for launching me in
this great profession.
Your book sits next to Gary's on my bookshelf to this day.

I will be retiring at the end of February.
What a long strange trip it's been.
Happy trails.
Mike

-- 

Michael Vollmar-Grone
Director of Technical Services
Shelby County Libraries
230 East North Street
Sidney, OH 45365
(937) 492-6851 x.119
http://shelbyco.lib.oh.us/
http://www.facebook.com/ShelbyCountyLibraries
vollm...@oplin.org


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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors. 


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Re: [Videolib] Thanks and Good-bye

[Threatt, Monique Louise]

Ditto with everything being said.

Wishing you all the best in your retirement.

Monique
IU Libraries

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Nell J Chenault
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 11:11 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Thanks and Good-bye

Congratuations!

Ditto on the foundational thanks ... and to Kris Brancolini and Sally 
Mason-Robinson.

Nell Chenault
VCU Libraries

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Michael Vollmar-Grone 
vollm...@oplin.orgmailto:vollm...@oplin.org wrote:
Wanted to extend my thanks for the years of helpful advice from this
group and
a special clack of the slateboard to  Gary, wherever-you-may-be, and Randy.
This listserv and Video Librarian, along with Roger Ebert's reviews,
were fundamental in my career.
And Jim Scholtz, if you are still out there, thanks for launching me in
this great profession.
Your book sits next to Gary's on my bookshelf to this day.

I will be retiring at the end of February.
What a long strange trip it's been.
Happy trails.
Mike

--

Michael Vollmar-Grone
Director of Technical Services
Shelby County Libraries
230 East North Street
Sidney, OH 45365
(937) 492-6851 x.119tel:%28937%29%20492-6851%20x.119
http://shelbyco.lib.oh.us/
http://www.facebook.com/ShelbyCountyLibraries
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[Videolib] Thanks for Name Change Suggestions!

[Mary Lou Neighbour]

As this Friday draws to a close, I want to thank the many people who responded 
to my plea!  You have given our AV staff many possibilities to consider.  This 
is the greatest list!!  Thank you all.

ML
Mary Lou Neighbour
AV Librarian/Assistant Professor
Montgomery County Community College
340 DeKalb Pike
Blue Bell, PA 19422
mneig...@mc3.edu  215-619-7355





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[Videolib] Thanks to the National Media Market

[Dennis Doros]

Thanks Ursula! I've been having fun making fun of my stay in Vegas. Truth
be told, the first night I went to bed early to get ready for my speech and
the second night I saw my friends who happened to be in town that same day.
The big thrill was being searched by the secret service and seeing snipers
walk by since my friends were staying at the Lake Las Vegas Westin where
the president was staying.

But I want to thank deg and Ursula for giving Maureen and me a chance to
present our case that ALL media are precious and we all must do our part to
ensure the preservation of the films. I spoke for 40 minutes but nothing
was so impressive a statement as Maureen showing that wonderful five minute
16mm film from the 1970s. I had never seen it before and it was worth the
whole trip. These films are being tossed out or given away at an alarming
rate by the non-profit institutions ironically at a time when media studies
are finally realizing how invaluable these films are to American history
and culture -- especially combined with the whole experience of threading a
16mm projector and hearing the projector's whir while the beam of light
flashes across the room. Maureen's presentation was very cool with lots of
great information for media librarians.

In a time of budget crunches and space concerns, I'm really glad the NMM
allowed us this opportunity.

-- 
Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film  Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
Visit our main website!  www.milestonefilms.com
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Re: [Videolib] Thanks Jessica

[Jessica Rosner]

Your welcome guys. I think I should set up donations site. Seriously I am
not a filmmaker (or a lawyer), but beyond all the legal issues
I know the most disturbing part of seeing academics and academic
institutions steal your work is that these are the people you assumed were
your friends and supporters. I understand that librarians are under  a lot
of pressure and try hard and I just assume administration will try to save a
buck any way they can, but academics who are pushing the concept of pretty
much I need to use it so it is fair (use) are
the worst  part by far. Good luck trying to pin any of them down on what if
any limitations there are on them using material without paying for it.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:42 PM, jgra...@comcast.net wrote:

 Jessica, I want to add my thanks to Richard's.

 Joanne
 --Original Message--
 From: rb...@earthlink.net
 Sender: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
 To: Jessica Rosner
 To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
 ReplyTo: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
 Subject: [Videolib] Thanks Jessica
 Sent: May 31, 2011 3:34 PM

 Thanks Jessica for speaking up for independent filmmakers and
 distributors on this UCLA case and on other matters throughout the
 years.  - Richard


 http://richardcohenfilms.com/hurry_tomorrow_history.html
 http://richardcohenfilms.com/goodcat.htm


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-- 
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212-627-1785 (land line)
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Re: [Videolib] Thanks Jessica

[ghandman]

I propose we chill on this issue for awhile and get on with other pressing
issues (at least until the case comes to more definite conclusions)

By way of last words on the subject (for now), I humbly (well, maybe not)
submit that the UCLA case points precisely and very cogently to the
difficulties that can result when libraries and other institutions lack
knowledgeable, experienced professional specialists on board to serve as
gate-keepers and collection development shepherds for specialized
collections.  It also points to what happens when administrators (and
faculty)get embroiled in practical and professional issues with which they
have superficial (and often gapingly inaccurate) information and
experience.

Gary Handman



 Your welcome guys. I think I should set up donations site. Seriously I am
 not a filmmaker (or a lawyer), but beyond all the legal issues
 I know the most disturbing part of seeing academics and academic
 institutions steal your work is that these are the people you assumed were
 your friends and supporters. I understand that librarians are under  a lot
 of pressure and try hard and I just assume administration will try to save
 a
 buck any way they can, but academics who are pushing the concept of pretty
 much I need to use it so it is fair (use) are
 the worst  part by far. Good luck trying to pin any of them down on what
 if
 any limitations there are on them using material without paying for it.

 On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:42 PM, jgra...@comcast.net wrote:

 Jessica, I want to add my thanks to Richard's.

 Joanne
 --Original Message--
 From: rb...@earthlink.net
 Sender: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
 To: Jessica Rosner
 To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
 ReplyTo: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
 Subject: [Videolib] Thanks Jessica
 Sent: May 31, 2011 3:34 PM

 Thanks Jessica for speaking up for independent filmmakers and
 distributors on this UCLA case and on other matters throughout the
 years.  - Richard


 http://richardcohenfilms.com/hurry_tomorrow_history.html
 http://richardcohenfilms.com/goodcat.htm


 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
 issues
 relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
 control,
 preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries
 and
 related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
 effective
 working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
 between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
 distributors.


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 and
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 effective
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 --
 Jessica Rosner
 Media Consultant
 224-545-3897 (cell)
 212-627-1785 (land line)
 jessicapros...@gmail.com
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Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself.
--Francois Truffaut


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Re: [Videolib] Thanks Jessica

[jgrason]

Jessica, I want to add my thanks to Richard's.

Joanne
--Original Message--
From: rb...@earthlink.net
Sender: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
To: Jessica Rosner
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
ReplyTo: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Thanks Jessica
Sent: May 31, 2011 3:34 PM

Thanks Jessica for speaking up for independent filmmakers and  
distributors on this UCLA case and on other matters throughout the  
years.  - Richard


http://richardcohenfilms.com/hurry_tomorrow_history.html
http://richardcohenfilms.com/goodcat.htm


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Re: [Videolib] thanks everyone!

[CROWLEY, CHRISTINE]

Rhonda, I tried sending directly to you but it came back. It looks like
there is a character at the end of your email link below that is messing
up the address. A little pipe bar?

 

Christine Crowley

Dean of Learning Resources

Adjunct Faculty, Theatre

Northwest Vista College

3535 N. Ellison Dr.

San Antonio, TX 78251

210.486.4572 voice

210.486.4504 fax

 

 

We will either find a way, or make one.--Hannibal 

 

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Rosen, Rhonda
J.
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 2:46 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] thanks everyone!

 

you've all given me things to think about -thanks very much!

rhonda

 

Rhonda Rosen| Head, Media  Access Services
William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University
One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659
rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu| 310/338-4584|
http://library.lmu.edu http://library.lmu.edu/ 

 You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where
people sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of
employing wild animals as librarians.
--Monty Python

 

 

 

 

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Re: [Videolib] thanks everyone!

[Rosen, Rhonda J.]

Interesting - you are the first person to tell me that...I'll see about it -
rhonda

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of CROWLEY, CHRISTINE
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:53 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] thanks everyone!

Rhonda, I tried sending directly to you but it came back. It looks like there 
is a character at the end of your email link below that is messing up the 
address. A little pipe bar?

Christine Crowley
Dean of Learning Resources
Adjunct Faculty, Theatre
Northwest Vista College
3535 N. Ellison Dr.
San Antonio, TX 78251
210.486.4572 voice
210.486.4504 fax


We will either find a way, or make one.--Hannibal

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Rosen, Rhonda J.
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 2:46 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] thanks everyone!

you've all given me things to think about -thanks very much!
rhonda

Rhonda Rosen| Head, Media  Access Services
William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University
One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659
rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu| 310/338-4584|
http://library.lmu.eduhttp://library.lmu.edu/
 You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where people 
sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of employing 
wild animals as librarians.
--Monty Python




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[Videolib] Thanks for your help - Industrial Agriculture topic

[Jean Reese]

Hi, All

Thanks for all the suggestions for Industrial Agricultural titles. The 
faculty member was very happy with the suggestions. It's great to know I 
have such a wonderful source of information available!

Jean




-- 
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Coordinator, Collection Development
Instructional Media Resources
Middle Tennessee State University
1301 E. Main St., P.O. Box 33
Murfreesboro, TN  37132
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[Videolib] Thanks!

[Tatar, Becky]

Just a note to say thank you to everyone on this list.  I have learned
so much from all of you, and I share this with staff and patrons.  I'm
so glad this service is here, and thanks especially to Gary and Berkeley
for hosting this.  I talk about my friends on the list, even though I
might have met you in person once or twice.  Have a great Christmas and
New Year's!

Becky Tatar
Periodicals/Audiovisuals
Aurora Public Library
1 E. Benton Street
Aurora, IL   60505
Phone: 630-264-4100
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[Videolib] Thanks for the help finding Promises

[Jean Reese]

Thanks to everyone who replied with the title of the film.  This list is 
great!

Best Wishes.

Jean
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Coordinator, Collection Development
Instructional Media Resources
Middle Tennessee State University
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relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] thanks for all the help with my Swank

[Steffen, James M]

Sorry, I forgot to paste in the correct subject.

 As much as I appreciate 35mm, I generally recommend that my film programmers 
 avoid booking old 35mm prints, because the large distributors can't easily 
 control  or guarantee the quality of the print shipped.

Sandra, that's an excellent point. If I were a programmer, I would steer away 
from renting such prints altogether for precisely the reasons you describe. 
However, instructors usually have very specific reasons why they want to show 
particular films when they're tied to a course. By now they realize it's a crap 
shoot.

 I'm not sure that Swank always gets easy access to new prints of old films, 
 even on new reissues.

Actually, that's true. The studios maintain completely separate print pools for 
theatrical and non-theatrical venues. For example, there are always 
good-looking 35mm prints of 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY that theatrical venues can 
rent, but the last I heard it was no longer possible to obtain *any* 35mm print 
of 2001 non-theatrically. Just because there's a new print showing in theaters 
does not mean that's what you'll get if you're a non-theatrical outfit. Swank 
probably has no say in this.

At some point in the future, we'll all be able to show pristine 2K or 4K 
digital versions of many older (and newer) films. But for now I think most 
colleges are stuck with 35mm, and still more can show only DVDs. I suspect that 
relatively few can handle even Blu-ray discs at this point.

--
James M. Steffen, PhD
Film and Media Studies Librarian
Theater and Dance Subject Liaison
Marian K. Heilbrun Music and Media Library
Emory University
540 Asbury Circle
Atlanta, GA 30322-2870
Phone: (404) 727-8107
FAX: (404) 727-2257

--

Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:45:20 -0400
From: Jackson, Sandra F. jackso...@uncw.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] thanks for all the help with my Swank
question!
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
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I've run 35mm theaters for the past decade and am a skilled projectionist, as 
well as a manager.As much as I appreciate 35mm, I generally recommend that 
my film programmers avoid booking old 35mm prints, because the large 
distributors can't easily control  or guarantee the quality of the print 
shipped.You could get lucky and get a good print.  Or the color may be 
washed out.  Or the print could be dirty.   Or the sound will be damaged.  Or 
the print may have scene jumps caused by numerous splices required after 
unfortunate brain wraps,  tail wraps, or other projection disasters. Older 
films are far more likely to be brittle and prone to breakage than new prints.


Your best bet is to create a very good relationship with your booker, in hopes 
that that person will manage the shipment with a bit more detail, rather than 
letting the depot send the print that is handy.  Unfortunately, the depot and 
the distributor may not always know a print is bad.Some theaters do not 
report the damage that occurred in their facilities, for fear of incurring 
large charges.  Distributors do not have time to watch every film that is 
shipped back to them, so they rely  on the report of the theater that just 
received the print for the first time.  In fact,  a Criterion rep told me that 
it is nearly impossible to make sure the depot sends a good print regardless of 
the age.  He said he just does not have control over what they ship, regardless 
of his requests. Make sure you build the print in ample time to preview it, 
report problems to the distributor and  get a replacement reel or order a 
replacement print.

It's not fun having an old film break during a show, then having to spice it 
while 300 audience members are staring with hostility at the projection booth.  
The audiences still thinks that a 35mm runs the same way as a VHS tape.  If you 
get it fixed, some bright person in the audience will ask you to do the 
impossible and rewind the film to show it without the break.  Younger audience 
members probably think that it runs like a DVD and have even less tolerance for 
technical difficulties.

If you do decide to show an old 35mm, educate your audience about the possible 
challenges, so they will be patient if you experience technical difficulties.

By the way, I have received excellent customer service from Swank for the past 
three years, even though our rep has changed three times, so if you have 
trouble with your rep, be sure to report the situation.
Sandra F. Jackson
Film Program Coordinator
Lumina Theater  Sharky's Box Office
Department of Campus Life
The University of North Carolina Wilmington
Phone 910.962.7971  Fax: 910-962-7438
jackso...@uncw.edu
http://www.uncw.edu/lumina
NOTICE: Emails sent and received in the course of university business are 
subject to the North

Re: [Videolib] thanks for all the help with my Swank question!

[Jackson, Sandra F.]

I've run 35mm theaters for the past decade and am a skilled projectionist, as 
well as a manager.As much as I appreciate 35mm, I generally recommend that 
my film programmers avoid booking old 35mm prints, because the large 
distributors can't easily control  or guarantee the quality of the print 
shipped.You could get lucky and get a good print.  Or the color may be 
washed out.  Or the print could be dirty.   Or the sound will be damaged.  Or 
the print may have scene jumps caused by numerous splices required after 
unfortunate brain wraps,  tail wraps, or other projection disasters. Older 
films are far more likely to be brittle and prone to breakage than new prints.

I'm not sure that Swank always gets easy access to new prints of old films, 
even on new reissues.

Your best bet is to create a very good relationship with your booker, in hopes 
that that person will manage the shipment with a bit more detail, rather than 
letting the depot send the print that is handy.  Unfortunately, the depot and 
the distributor may not always know a print is bad.Some theaters do not 
report the damage that occurred in their facilities, for fear of incurring 
large charges.  Distributors do not have time to watch every film that is 
shipped back to them, so they rely  on the report of the theater that just 
received the print for the first time.  In fact,  a Criterion rep told me that 
it is nearly impossible to make sure the depot sends a good print regardless of 
the age.  He said he just does not have control over what they ship, regardless 
of his requests. Make sure you build the print in ample time to preview it, 
report problems to the distributor and  get a replacement reel or order a 
replacement print.

It's not fun having an old film break during a show, then having to spice it 
while 300 audience members are staring with hostility at the projection booth.  
The audiences still thinks that a 35mm runs the same way as a VHS tape.  If you 
get it fixed, some bright person in the audience will ask you to do the 
impossible and rewind the film to show it without the break.  Younger audience 
members probably think that it runs like a DVD and have even less tolerance for 
technical difficulties.

If you do decide to show an old 35mm, educate your audience about the possible 
challenges, so they will be patient if you experience technical difficulties.

By the way, I have received excellent customer service from Swank for the past 
three years, even though our rep has changed three times, so if you have 
trouble with your rep, be sure to report the situation.
Sandra F. Jackson
Film Program Coordinator
Lumina Theater  Sharky's Box Office
Department of Campus Life
The University of North Carolina Wilmington
Phone 910.962.7971  Fax: 910-962-7438
jackso...@uncw.edu
http://www.uncw.edu/lumina
NOTICE: Emails sent and received in the course of university business are 
subject to the North Carolina Public Records Act (N.C.G.S. §132-1 et seq.) and 
may be released to the public unless an exception applies.


From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 11:55 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] thanks for all the help with my Swank question!

I would not bet on the Swank salesperson being a big film buff. Things might 
have changed over the year, but that certainly was not their reputation in the 
past. My favorite of all Swank stories involved a school that had ordered a 
35mm print of classic film for which a studio had done a major reissue just 
about a year before. It was not a small reissue and I would bet several dozen 
new/restored prints were made. The programmer reminded the Swank booker to MAKE 
sure they got one the new prints as the old ones were known to be horrid. The 
day of the show the print arrived, it was red, splicy, and very beat up. It was 
clearly a decades old print. The irate programmer called up the Swank booker to 
complain as we could not even show the print. The Swank booker looked up the 
title in the Maltin TV/Movie book and pronounced  The film is 50 years old. 
What did you expect? Apparently they had no concept a NEW print of a 50 year 
old film.

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Dennis Doros 
milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com wrote:

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Maureen Tripp 
maureen_tr...@emerson.edumailto:maureen_tr...@emerson.edu wrote:
As Sandra Jackson said, it seems it depends a lot on the film, anticipated 
audience size, and other factors--but I now have a ballpark range of 
estimates--I appreciate it, everyone!


I should also mention that it depends a lot on how well you get along with the 
salesperson at the company. Most of us are in the business because we love 
films. If you discuss favorite films (and books and museums) and what's out 
that week and how's the family, you'll do well. If somebody comes and complains

[Videolib] thanks for all the help with my Swank question!

[Maureen Tripp]

As Sandra Jackson said, it seems it depends a lot on the film, anticipated 
audience size, and other factors--but I now have a ballpark range of 
estimates--I appreciate it, everyone!

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] thanks for all the help with my Swank question!

[Dennis Doros]

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Maureen Tripp
maureen_tr...@emerson.eduwrote:

 As Sandra Jackson said, it seems it depends a lot on the film, anticipated
 audience size, and other factors--but I now have a ballpark range of
 estimates--I appreciate it, everyone!



I should also mention that it depends a lot on how well you get along with
the salesperson at the company. Most of us are in the business because we
love films. If you discuss favorite films (and books and museums) and what's
out that week and how's the family, you'll do well. If somebody comes and
complains that they are non-profit and we should treat them better, they
don't get as good a break. The retired Edith Kramer at the Pacific Film
Archive is a legend in this regard. She would spend two or three hours on
the phone charming the salesperson until she got the rate she could afford.
Funny thing is -- we had the same automatic friends rate for her for twenty
years and she still would spend an hour with us. One of our favorite
customers.

-- 
Best,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film  Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117
Fax: 201-767-3035
email: milefi...@gmail.com
www.milestonefilms.com
www.ontheboweryfilm.com
www.arayafilm.com
www.exilesfilm.com
www.wordisoutmovie.com
www.killerofsheep.com
AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org
Join Milestone Film on Facebook!
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] thanks for all the help with my Swank question!

[Jessica Rosner]

I would not bet on the Swank salesperson being a big film buff. Things might
have changed over the year, but that certainly was not their reputation in
the past. My favorite of all Swank stories involved a school that had
ordered a 35mm print of classic film for which a studio had done a major
reissue just about a year before. It was not a small reissue and I would bet
several dozen new/restored prints were made. The programmer reminded the
Swank booker to MAKE sure they got one the new prints as the old ones were
known to be horrid. The day of the show the print arrived, it was red,
splicy, and very beat up. It was clearly a decades old print. The irate
programmer called up the Swank booker to complain as we could not even show
the print. The Swank booker looked up the title in the Maltin TV/Movie book
and pronounced  The film is 50 years old. What did you expect? Apparently
they had no concept a NEW print of a 50 year old film.

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Maureen Tripp maureen_tr...@emerson.edu
  wrote:

 As Sandra Jackson said, it seems it depends a lot on the film, anticipated
 audience size, and other factors--but I now have a ballpark range of
 estimates--I appreciate it, everyone!



 I should also mention that it depends a lot on how well you get along with
 the salesperson at the company. Most of us are in the business because we
 love films. If you discuss favorite films (and books and museums) and what's
 out that week and how's the family, you'll do well. If somebody comes and
 complains that they are non-profit and we should treat them better, they
 don't get as good a break. The retired Edith Kramer at the Pacific Film
 Archive is a legend in this regard. She would spend two or three hours on
 the phone charming the salesperson until she got the rate she could afford.
 Funny thing is -- we had the same automatic friends rate for her for twenty
 years and she still would spend an hour with us. One of our favorite
 customers.

 --
 Best,
 Dennis Doros
 Milestone Film  Video/Milliarium Zero
 PO Box 128
 Harrington Park, NJ 07640
 Phone: 201-767-3117
 Fax: 201-767-3035
 email: milefi...@gmail.com
 www.milestonefilms.com
 www.ontheboweryfilm.com
 www.arayafilm.com
 www.exilesfilm.com
 www.wordisoutmovie.com
 www.killerofsheep.com
 AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org
 Join Milestone Film on Facebook!


 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
 relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
 preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
 related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
 working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
 between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
 distributors.


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] thanks for all the help with my Swank question!

[Steffen, James M]

All too true, Jessica. *Unlike* independent distributors such as Janus, Kino, 
New Yorker and Milestone, the staff at Swank have little knowledge of their 
35mm inventory. The prints are very hit-or-miss. Sometimes they're pristine (as 
was a print OUT OF THE PAST), but other times they're virtually unprojectable 
(ask me offline about our KUNDUN disaster). There's literally no way to find 
out in advance what you're getting.

I think the problem is twofold. Swank has not been investing very much in new 
35mm prints, because it's cheaper and easier for them to rent out DVDs of older 
titles. Also, the major studios themselves are not striking as many prints as 
they used to--many recent restorations are available *only* in digital formats. 
We're seeing fewer and fewer old films available on 35mm, period. It's a shame, 
because most academic institutions lack the equipment to show high definition 
video, effectively leaving them out of the loop apart from lower resolution DVD 
versions. Call me old-fashioned, but there isn't very much magic in watching a 
DVD blown up on a big screen.

--James

--
James M. Steffen, PhD
Film and Media Studies Librarian
Theater, Dance, ILA/IDS and LGBT Subject Liaison
Marian K. Heilbrun Music and Media Library
Emory University
540 Asbury Circle
Atlanta, GA 30322-2870
Phone: (404) 727-8107
FAX: (404) 727-2257
Email: jste...@emory.edu

--

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:54:38 -0400
From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Videolib] thanks for all the help with my Swank
question!
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Message-ID:
aanlkti=vgy_jxepexyij=7qqb8wyt4hxp0ybz3a1_...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I would not bet on the Swank salesperson being a big film buff. Things might
have changed over the year, but that certainly was not their reputation in
the past. My favorite of all Swank stories involved a school that had
ordered a 35mm print of classic film for which a studio had done a major
reissue just about a year before. It was not a small reissue and I would bet
several dozen new/restored prints were made. The programmer reminded the
Swank booker to MAKE sure they got one the new prints as the old ones were
known to be horrid. The day of the show the print arrived, it was red,
splicy, and very beat up. It was clearly a decades old print. The irate
programmer called up the Swank booker to complain as we could not even show
the print. The Swank booker looked up the title in the Maltin TV/Movie book
and pronounced  The film is 50 years old. What did you expect? Apparently
they had no concept a NEW print of a 50 year old film.

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Maureen Tripp maureen_tr...@emerson.edu
  wrote:

 As Sandra Jackson said, it seems it depends a lot on the film, anticipated
 audience size, and other factors--but I now have a ballpark range of
 estimates--I appreciate it, everyone!



 I should also mention that it depends a lot on how well you get along with
 the salesperson at the company. Most of us are in the business because we
 love films. If you discuss favorite films (and books and museums) and what's
 out that week and how's the family, you'll do well. If somebody comes and
 complains that they are non-profit and we should treat them better, they
 don't get as good a break. The retired Edith Kramer at the Pacific Film
 Archive is a legend in this regard. She would spend two or three hours on
 the phone charming the salesperson until she got the rate she could afford.
 Funny thing is -- we had the same automatic friends rate for her for twenty
 years and she still would spend an hour with us. One of our favorite
 customers.

 --
 Best,
 Dennis Doros
 Milestone Film  Video/Milliarium Zero
 PO Box 128
 Harrington Park, NJ 07640
 Phone: 201-767-3117
 Fax: 201-767-3035
 email: milefi...@gmail.com
 www.milestonefilms.com
 www.ontheboweryfilm.com
 www.arayafilm.com
 www.exilesfilm.com
 www.wordisoutmovie.com
 www.killerofsheep.com
 AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org
 Join Milestone Film on Facebook!


 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
 relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
 preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
 related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
 working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
 between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
 distributors.


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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:50:29 -0500
From: Rudy Leon rudy.l...@gmail.com
Subject: [Videolib] Duplicate copies?
To: videolib videolib@lists.berkeley.edu

Re: [Videolib] thanks for all the help with my Swank question!

[Dennis Doros]

But a 4K or 6K scan off of Technicolor 3-strip negatives with proper color
balance and digital correction for registration can look absolutely
stunning! I know it's not at colleges now (though I think Indiana U and a
few others do have it) and I know that by the time that becomes commonplace
the technology will have changed again and it'll be more wasted dollars, but
at some point, the future will catch up with the technology and bad prints
will be a thing of the past. And of course, such as the Warner DVD-R
library, you'll be able to get a lot more obscure films to view. I'm very
sad about the death of 35mm as well, but there will be advantages such as
no more bad sprockets, scratched prints, and the cost of shipping 100 lb.
prints in dented and warped containers.

Did anyone read the NY Times today?

Herehttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/13/technology/13wifi.html?ref=technologyand
herehttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/13/technology/13broadband.html?_r=1ref=todayspaper.
My HD files for I AM CUBA (a 141-minute film) is about 200 gigabytes at most
so a 4K scan is probably about 4 terabytes. At a gigabyte per second, it
wouldn't take long to send it over home lines. Much less than three or four
days by Fed Ex and a hell of a lot cheaper.

Dennis



On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Steffen, James M jste...@emory.edu wrote:

 Call me old-fashioned, but there isn't very much magic in watching a DVD
 blown up on a big screen.

 --James

 --
 James M. Steffen, PhD
 Film and Media Studies Librarian
 Theater, Dance, ILA/IDS and LGBT Subject Liaison
 Marian K. Heilbrun Music and Media Library
 Emory University
 540 Asbury Circle
 Atlanta, GA 30322-2870
 Phone: (404) 727-8107
 FAX: (404) 727-2257
 Email: jste...@emory.edu

 --

 Message: 4
 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:54:38 -0400
 From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Videolib] thanks for all the help with my Swank
question!
 To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
 Message-ID:
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

 I would not bet on the Swank salesperson being a big film buff. Things
 might
 have changed over the year, but that certainly was not their reputation in
 the past. My favorite of all Swank stories involved a school that had
 ordered a 35mm print of classic film for which a studio had done a major
 reissue just about a year before. It was not a small reissue and I would
 bet
 several dozen new/restored prints were made. The programmer reminded the
 Swank booker to MAKE sure they got one the new prints as the old ones
 were
 known to be horrid. The day of the show the print arrived, it was red,
 splicy, and very beat up. It was clearly a decades old print. The irate
 programmer called up the Swank booker to complain as we could not even show
 the print. The Swank booker looked up the title in the Maltin TV/Movie book
 and pronounced  The film is 50 years old. What did you expect? Apparently
 they had no concept a NEW print of a 50 year old film.

 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
 
  On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Maureen Tripp 
 maureen_tr...@emerson.edu
   wrote:
 
  As Sandra Jackson said, it seems it depends a lot on the film,
 anticipated
  audience size, and other factors--but I now have a ballpark range of
  estimates--I appreciate it, everyone!
 
 
 
  I should also mention that it depends a lot on how well you get along
 with
  the salesperson at the company. Most of us are in the business because we
  love films. If you discuss favorite films (and books and museums) and
 what's
  out that week and how's the family, you'll do well. If somebody comes and
  complains that they are non-profit and we should treat them better, they
  don't get as good a break. The retired Edith Kramer at the Pacific Film
  Archive is a legend in this regard. She would spend two or three hours on
  the phone charming the salesperson until she got the rate she could
 afford.
  Funny thing is -- we had the same automatic friends rate for her for
 twenty
  years and she still would spend an hour with us. One of our favorite
  customers.
 
  --
  Best,
  Dennis Doros
  Milestone Film  Video/Milliarium Zero
  PO Box 128
  Harrington Park, NJ 07640
  Phone: 201-767-3117
  Fax: 201-767-3035
  email: milefi...@gmail.com
  www.milestonefilms.com
  www.ontheboweryfilm.com
  www.arayafilm.com
  www.exilesfilm.com
  www.wordisoutmovie.com
  www.killerofsheep.com
  AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org
  Join Milestone Film on Facebook!
 
 
  VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
 issues
  relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
  preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries
 and
  related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
 effective
  working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel

Re: [Videolib] thanks for all the help with my Swank question!

[Dennis Doros]

Hmmm. They're doing at least 4K scans of some pretty obscure films
(Monogram's Charlie Chan's for example) off of archival prints so anything
is possible. Jessica, you're thinking film rental. They're thinking
preservation/streaming. If theaters want to rent a 4K scan, I suspect they
will be made available. Of course, I'm talking future Utopia, not
necessarily this year's programming.

Dennis

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.comwrote:

 Not holding my breath for studios to make 4K  6K scans of anything but
 there top titles available while trashing the 35mm prints of everything.


 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com wrote:

 But a 4K or 6K scan off of Technicolor 3-strip negatives with proper color
 balance and digital correction for registration can look absolutely
 stunning! I know it's not at colleges now (though I think Indiana U and a
 few others do have it) and I know that by the time that becomes commonplace
 the technology will have changed again and it'll be more wasted dollars, but
 at some point, the future will catch up with the technology and bad prints
 will be a thing of the past. And of course, such as the Warner DVD-R
 library, you'll be able to get a lot more obscure films to view. I'm very
 sad about the death of 35mm as well, but there will be advantages such as
 no more bad sprockets, scratched prints, and the cost of shipping 100 lb.
 prints in dented and warped containers.

 Did anyone read the NY Times today?

 Herehttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/13/technology/13wifi.html?ref=technologyand
 herehttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/13/technology/13broadband.html?_r=1ref=todayspaper.
 My HD files for I AM CUBA (a 141-minute film) is about 200 gigabytes at most
 so a 4K scan is probably about 4 terabytes. At a gigabyte per second, it
 wouldn't take long to send it over home lines. Much less than three or four
 days by Fed Ex and a hell of a lot cheaper.

 Dennis



 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Steffen, James M jste...@emory.eduwrote:

 Call me old-fashioned, but there isn't very much magic in watching a DVD
 blown up on a big screen.

 --James

 --
 James M. Steffen, PhD
 Film and Media Studies Librarian
 Theater, Dance, ILA/IDS and LGBT Subject Liaison
 Marian K. Heilbrun Music and Media Library
 Emory University
 540 Asbury Circle
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 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:54:38 -0400
 From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Videolib] thanks for all the help with my Swank
question!
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 I would not bet on the Swank salesperson being a big film buff. Things
 might
 have changed over the year, but that certainly was not their reputation
 in
 the past. My favorite of all Swank stories involved a school that had
 ordered a 35mm print of classic film for which a studio had done a major
 reissue just about a year before. It was not a small reissue and I would
 bet
 several dozen new/restored prints were made. The programmer reminded the
 Swank booker to MAKE sure they got one the new prints as the old ones
 were
 known to be horrid. The day of the show the print arrived, it was red,
 splicy, and very beat up. It was clearly a decades old print. The irate
 programmer called up the Swank booker to complain as we could not even
 show
 the print. The Swank booker looked up the title in the Maltin TV/Movie
 book
 and pronounced  The film is 50 years old. What did you expect?
 Apparently
 they had no concept a NEW print of a 50 year old film.

 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
 
  On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Maureen Tripp 
 maureen_tr...@emerson.edu
   wrote:
 
  As Sandra Jackson said, it seems it depends a lot on the film,
 anticipated
  audience size, and other factors--but I now have a ballpark range of
  estimates--I appreciate it, everyone!
 
 
 
  I should also mention that it depends a lot on how well you get along
 with
  the salesperson at the company. Most of us are in the business because
 we
  love films. If you discuss favorite films (and books and museums) and
 what's
  out that week and how's the family, you'll do well. If somebody comes
 and
  complains that they are non-profit and we should treat them better,
 they
  don't get as good a break. The retired Edith Kramer at the Pacific Film
  Archive is a legend in this regard. She would spend two or three hours
 on
  the phone charming the salesperson until she got the rate she could
 afford.
  Funny thing is -- we had the same automatic friends rate for her for
 twenty
  years and she still would spend an hour with us. One of our favorite
  customers.
 
  --
  Best,
  Dennis Doros
  Milestone Film  Video

Re: [Videolib] thanks for all the help with my Swank question!

[Jessica Rosner]

Again I would not be so sure they will make them available for screening.
For YEARS WB refused to allow theaters to project DVDS of films they had
actually released on DVD. To be fair they will be no less helpful with 4K
material than they are with 35MM with the notable execption of Universal.

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hmmm. They're doing at least 4K scans of some pretty obscure films
 (Monogram's Charlie Chan's for example) off of archival prints so anything
 is possible. Jessica, you're thinking film rental. They're thinking
 preservation/streaming. If theaters want to rent a 4K scan, I suspect they
 will be made available. Of course, I'm talking future Utopia, not
 necessarily this year's programming.

 Dennis


 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Jessica Rosner 
 jessicapros...@gmail.comwrote:

 Not holding my breath for studios to make 4K  6K scans of anything but
 there top titles available while trashing the 35mm prints of everything.


 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.comwrote:

 But a 4K or 6K scan off of Technicolor 3-strip negatives with proper
 color balance and digital correction for registration can look absolutely
 stunning! I know it's not at colleges now (though I think Indiana U and a
 few others do have it) and I know that by the time that becomes commonplace
 the technology will have changed again and it'll be more wasted dollars, but
 at some point, the future will catch up with the technology and bad prints
 will be a thing of the past. And of course, such as the Warner DVD-R
 library, you'll be able to get a lot more obscure films to view. I'm very
 sad about the death of 35mm as well, but there will be advantages such as
 no more bad sprockets, scratched prints, and the cost of shipping 100 lb.
 prints in dented and warped containers.

 Did anyone read the NY Times today?

 Herehttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/13/technology/13wifi.html?ref=technologyand
 herehttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/13/technology/13broadband.html?_r=1ref=todayspaper.
 My HD files for I AM CUBA (a 141-minute film) is about 200 gigabytes at most
 so a 4K scan is probably about 4 terabytes. At a gigabyte per second, it
 wouldn't take long to send it over home lines. Much less than three or four
 days by Fed Ex and a hell of a lot cheaper.

 Dennis



 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Steffen, James M jste...@emory.eduwrote:

 Call me old-fashioned, but there isn't very much magic in watching a DVD
 blown up on a big screen.

 --James

 --
 James M. Steffen, PhD
 Film and Media Studies Librarian
 Theater, Dance, ILA/IDS and LGBT Subject Liaison
 Marian K. Heilbrun Music and Media Library
 Emory University
 540 Asbury Circle
 Atlanta, GA 30322-2870
 Phone: (404) 727-8107
 FAX: (404) 727-2257
 Email: jste...@emory.edu

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 Message: 4
 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:54:38 -0400
 From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Videolib] thanks for all the help with my Swank
question!
 To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
 Message-ID:
aanlkti=vgy_jxepexyij=7qqb8wyt4hxp0ybz3a1_...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

 I would not bet on the Swank salesperson being a big film buff. Things
 might
 have changed over the year, but that certainly was not their reputation
 in
 the past. My favorite of all Swank stories involved a school that had
 ordered a 35mm print of classic film for which a studio had done a major
 reissue just about a year before. It was not a small reissue and I would
 bet
 several dozen new/restored prints were made. The programmer reminded the
 Swank booker to MAKE sure they got one the new prints as the old ones
 were
 known to be horrid. The day of the show the print arrived, it was red,
 splicy, and very beat up. It was clearly a decades old print. The irate
 programmer called up the Swank booker to complain as we could not even
 show
 the print. The Swank booker looked up the title in the Maltin TV/Movie
 book
 and pronounced  The film is 50 years old. What did you expect?
 Apparently
 they had no concept a NEW print of a 50 year old film.

 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
 
  On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Maureen Tripp 
 maureen_tr...@emerson.edu
   wrote:
 
  As Sandra Jackson said, it seems it depends a lot on the film,
 anticipated
  audience size, and other factors--but I now have a ballpark range of
  estimates--I appreciate it, everyone!
 
 
 
  I should also mention that it depends a lot on how well you get along
 with
  the salesperson at the company. Most of us are in the business because
 we
  love films. If you discuss favorite films (and books and museums) and
 what's
  out that week and how's the family, you'll do well. If somebody comes
 and
  complains that they are non-profit and we should treat them better,
 they
  don't get as good a break. The retired Edith Kramer at the Pacific