Re: [Videolib] Netflix vs. availablility in the marketplace
Hi Kim, Thanks for pointing this out. I noticed a similar issue with The Visit (w/Bergman Quinn). We tried to purchase a DVD copy but only found a pirated version. However, Amazon.com offers it online for individual use: http://www.amazon.com/The-Visit/dp/B001V6F1YM Is this another sign of an impending physical media apocalypse? I think so, and it's also happening rapidly w/audio. More and more audio content is only being offered as an iTunes or Amazon download: no CD available. And trying to negotiate an institutional license for this content can be both time consuming and expensive. I tried with a few iTunes only tracks from the LA Phil. After being bounced around through music industry email, I ended up at UMG. They said it would be possible to create an institutional, in-library use license for maybe 1/4 of a symphony, but that it would cost $250 for processing + more for licensing. It would also be a temporary license, lasting maybe one or two years. We declined, and so go library collections. John _ John Vallier Head, Distributed Media UW Libraries Media Center vall...@uw.edu 206-616-1210 http://lib.washington.edu/media http://faculty.washington.edu/vallier VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Netflix vs. availablility in the marketplace
Hey, Kim, TO SLEEP WITH ANGER was another example, but MGM actually didn't own the rights they sold to Netflix so it was pulled shortly thereafter. My fault, I'm afraid to admit, but I'm still hoping it will be restored and properly released one day by the rightful owners. Studios and indies are indeed bypassing some films on DVD to go straight to streaming. If they do stop in-between, they are creating DVD-Rs made to order. Studios are not really gauging interest in older films by streaming. They're doing it because the money is there now and in the future. I'm told at least by one indie that they are buying as much as possible now because they can stream for good money with little effort. Ugh, but it's a reality. Netflix, on the other hand, is not buying *everything* on DVD anymore. For smaller titles like ours, they wait until there's enough members waiting on the queue for it combined with a good tomato rating. If neither exists, they won't buy it. So if a DVD is not available on Netflix, DVDs still might exist. There's a good article about the various streaming/download sites in this week's Hollywood Reporter (with a photo of the wonderful Jodie Foster on the cover) though I suspect some sites are GREATLY exaggerating their numbers. I had a least six jokes to follow this, but I'll leave that to y'all to do offline. AMIA in Austin this year! Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Stanton, Kim kim.stan...@unt.edu wrote: Over the last few months, I’ve had several faculty ask me to purchase something they watched on Netflix (either DVD or streaming) for the collection and I haven’t been able to locate a new or used copy for sale anywhere. I’ve also run into a few instances where a film has never been released on DVD, but you can watch instantly (usually for a limited time frame) on Netflix. Looking for Mr. Goodbar (’77) is the only example I can think of offhand. Is Netflix streaming being used by studios to gauge interest in older film before releasing on DVD? Or are they already starting to bypass the physical copy for streaming? And I’ve noticed a few newish releases that are available streaming (Netflix or Amazon Instant) but not DVD – I thought this was a “watch exclusively here for the first month” thing, but now I’m wondering if these films will ever come out on DVD. Is this another sign of an impending physical media apocalypse? Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Netflix vs. availablility in the marketplace
Good Luck on TO SLEEP WITH ANGER . Great film, though I do think Godwyn got a bum rap for allegedly not marketing it well. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, Kim, TO SLEEP WITH ANGER was another example, but MGM actually didn't own the rights they sold to Netflix so it was pulled shortly thereafter. My fault, I'm afraid to admit, but I'm still hoping it will be restored and properly released one day by the rightful owners. Studios and indies are indeed bypassing some films on DVD to go straight to streaming. If they do stop in-between, they are creating DVD-Rs made to order. Studios are not really gauging interest in older films by streaming. They're doing it because the money is there now and in the future. I'm told at least by one indie that they are buying as much as possible now because they can stream for good money with little effort. Ugh, but it's a reality. Netflix, on the other hand, is not buying *everything* on DVD anymore. For smaller titles like ours, they wait until there's enough members waiting on the queue for it combined with a good tomato rating. If neither exists, they won't buy it. So if a DVD is not available on Netflix, DVDs still might exist. There's a good article about the various streaming/download sites in this week's Hollywood Reporter (with a photo of the wonderful Jodie Foster on the cover) though I suspect some sites are GREATLY exaggerating their numbers. I had a least six jokes to follow this, but I'll leave that to y'all to do offline. AMIA in Austin this year! Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Stanton, Kim kim.stan...@unt.edu wrote: Over the last few months, I’ve had several faculty ask me to purchase something they watched on Netflix (either DVD or streaming) for the collection and I haven’t been able to locate a new or used copy for sale anywhere. I’ve also run into a few instances where a film has never been released on DVD, but you can watch instantly (usually for a limited time frame) on Netflix. Looking for Mr. Goodbar (’77) is the only example I can think of offhand. Is Netflix streaming being used by studios to gauge interest in older film before releasing on DVD? Or are they already starting to bypass the physical copy for streaming? And I’ve noticed a few newish releases that are available streaming (Netflix or Amazon Instant) but not DVD – I thought this was a “watch exclusively here for the first month” thing, but now I’m wondering if these films will ever come out on DVD. Is this another sign of an impending physical media apocalypse? Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Netflix vs. availablility in the marketplace
Well, we do know where it is. It's just a case of somebody acting on it. And yes and no. Goldwyn got great reviews but they put the film in the arthouses and excluded the black neighborhoods. They could and should have done both. Dennis On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.comwrote: Good Luck on TO SLEEP WITH ANGER . Great film, though I do think Godwyn got a bum rap for allegedly not marketing it well. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, Kim, TO SLEEP WITH ANGER was another example, but MGM actually didn't own the rights they sold to Netflix so it was pulled shortly thereafter. My fault, I'm afraid to admit, but I'm still hoping it will be restored and properly released one day by the rightful owners. Studios and indies are indeed bypassing some films on DVD to go straight to streaming. If they do stop in-between, they are creating DVD-Rs made to order. Studios are not really gauging interest in older films by streaming. They're doing it because the money is there now and in the future. I'm told at least by one indie that they are buying as much as possible now because they can stream for good money with little effort. Ugh, but it's a reality. Netflix, on the other hand, is not buying *everything* on DVD anymore. For smaller titles like ours, they wait until there's enough members waiting on the queue for it combined with a good tomato rating. If neither exists, they won't buy it. So if a DVD is not available on Netflix, DVDs still might exist. There's a good article about the various streaming/download sites in this week's Hollywood Reporter (with a photo of the wonderful Jodie Foster on the cover) though I suspect some sites are GREATLY exaggerating their numbers. I had a least six jokes to follow this, but I'll leave that to y'all to do offline. AMIA in Austin this year! Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Stanton, Kim kim.stan...@unt.eduwrote: Over the last few months, I’ve had several faculty ask me to purchase something they watched on Netflix (either DVD or streaming) for the collection and I haven’t been able to locate a new or used copy for sale anywhere. I’ve also run into a few instances where a film has never been released on DVD, but you can watch instantly (usually for a limited time frame) on Netflix. Looking for Mr. Goodbar (’77) is the only example I can think of offhand. Is Netflix streaming being used by studios to gauge interest in older film before releasing on DVD? Or are they already starting to bypass the physical copy for streaming? And I’ve noticed a few newish releases that are available streaming (Netflix or Amazon Instant) but not DVD – I thought this was a “watch exclusively here for the first month” thing, but now I’m wondering if these films will ever come out on DVD. Is this another sign of an impending physical media apocalypse? Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Best,
Re: [Videolib] Netflix vs. availablility in the marketplace
I guess we can argue this at some point, but this film would have died in regular theaters in the black community. I know how the director is sensitive about this, but I just don't agree and I do remember his anger at the time of release. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, we do know where it is. It's just a case of somebody acting on it. And yes and no. Goldwyn got great reviews but they put the film in the arthouses and excluded the black neighborhoods. They could and should have done both. Dennis On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.comwrote: Good Luck on TO SLEEP WITH ANGER . Great film, though I do think Godwyn got a bum rap for allegedly not marketing it well. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.comwrote: Hey, Kim, TO SLEEP WITH ANGER was another example, but MGM actually didn't own the rights they sold to Netflix so it was pulled shortly thereafter. My fault, I'm afraid to admit, but I'm still hoping it will be restored and properly released one day by the rightful owners. Studios and indies are indeed bypassing some films on DVD to go straight to streaming. If they do stop in-between, they are creating DVD-Rs made to order. Studios are not really gauging interest in older films by streaming. They're doing it because the money is there now and in the future. I'm told at least by one indie that they are buying as much as possible now because they can stream for good money with little effort. Ugh, but it's a reality. Netflix, on the other hand, is not buying *everything* on DVD anymore. For smaller titles like ours, they wait until there's enough members waiting on the queue for it combined with a good tomato rating. If neither exists, they won't buy it. So if a DVD is not available on Netflix, DVDs still might exist. There's a good article about the various streaming/download sites in this week's Hollywood Reporter (with a photo of the wonderful Jodie Foster on the cover) though I suspect some sites are GREATLY exaggerating their numbers. I had a least six jokes to follow this, but I'll leave that to y'all to do offline. AMIA in Austin this year! Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Stanton, Kim kim.stan...@unt.eduwrote: Over the last few months, I’ve had several faculty ask me to purchase something they watched on Netflix (either DVD or streaming) for the collection and I haven’t been able to locate a new or used copy for sale anywhere. I’ve also run into a few instances where a film has never been released on DVD, but you can watch instantly (usually for a limited time frame) on Netflix. Looking for Mr. Goodbar (’77) is the only example I can think of offhand. Is Netflix streaming being used by studios to gauge interest in older film before releasing on DVD? Or are they already starting to bypass the physical copy for streaming? And I’ve noticed a few newish releases that are available streaming (Netflix or Amazon Instant) but not DVD – I thought this was a “watch exclusively here for the first month” thing, but now I’m wondering if these films will ever come out on DVD. Is this another sign of an impending physical media apocalypse? Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
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Jessica. You don't know Charles Burnett (appearing on the evenings of April 6, 7 *and* 8 at MoMA. Be there!). He doesn't get angry. At all. And he's not very sensitive -- in fact, he's a realist. He told an interviewer that it's a shame and the Goldwyn Company got incensed because he was right and they blew it out of proportion. We'll never know if it would have died in the black communities since they didn't show it there. In fact, the studios never considered a black film-going community until Tyler Perry and of course, it took and indie to prove it. I do know KILLER OF SHEEP did well in some of these theaters and ours was a 30-year-old BW film that doesn't have Danny Glover in it. The idea that Black art films don't do well in Black communities and they don't do well overseas is based on pre-conceived, self-defeating notions! Actually, DAUGHTERS OF THE DUST was the first to prove that. :-) DD On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.comwrote: I guess we can argue this at some point, but this film would have died in regular theaters in the black community. I know how the director is sensitive about this, but I just don't agree and I do remember his anger at the time of release. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, we do know where it is. It's just a case of somebody acting on it. And yes and no. Goldwyn got great reviews but they put the film in the arthouses and excluded the black neighborhoods. They could and should have done both. Dennis On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: Good Luck on TO SLEEP WITH ANGER . Great film, though I do think Godwyn got a bum rap for allegedly not marketing it well. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.comwrote: Hey, Kim, TO SLEEP WITH ANGER was another example, but MGM actually didn't own the rights they sold to Netflix so it was pulled shortly thereafter. My fault, I'm afraid to admit, but I'm still hoping it will be restored and properly released one day by the rightful owners. Studios and indies are indeed bypassing some films on DVD to go straight to streaming. If they do stop in-between, they are creating DVD-Rs made to order. Studios are not really gauging interest in older films by streaming. They're doing it because the money is there now and in the future. I'm told at least by one indie that they are buying as much as possible now because they can stream for good money with little effort. Ugh, but it's a reality. Netflix, on the other hand, is not buying *everything* on DVD anymore. For smaller titles like ours, they wait until there's enough members waiting on the queue for it combined with a good tomato rating. If neither exists, they won't buy it. So if a DVD is not available on Netflix, DVDs still might exist. There's a good article about the various streaming/download sites in this week's Hollywood Reporter (with a photo of the wonderful Jodie Foster on the cover) though I suspect some sites are GREATLY exaggerating their numbers. I had a least six jokes to follow this, but I'll leave that to y'all to do offline. AMIA in Austin this year! Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Stanton, Kim kim.stan...@unt.eduwrote: Over the last few months, I’ve had several faculty ask me to purchase something they watched on Netflix (either DVD or streaming) for the collection and I haven’t been able to locate a new or used copy for sale anywhere. I’ve also run into a few instances where a film has never been released on DVD, but you can watch instantly (usually for a limited time frame) on Netflix. Looking for Mr. Goodbar (’77) is the only example I can think of offhand. Is Netflix streaming being used by studios to gauge interest in older film before releasing on DVD? Or are they already starting to bypass the physical copy for streaming? And I’ve noticed a few newish releases that are available streaming (Netflix or Amazon Instant) but not DVD – I thought this was a “watch exclusively here for the first month” thing, but now I’m wondering if these films will ever come out on DVD. Is this another sign of an impending physical media apocalypse? Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video
Re: [Videolib] Netflix vs. availablility in the marketplace
Hello, Allow me to intervene slightly on your exchanges as a friend of Charles Burnett, a fellow filmmaker of color who is currently working with Charles on a feature length film project. He is one of the calmest people I have ever known. He is also extremely funny, I have never seen him angry he is too zen for that. As someone who lived in France for a few years I would like to say that the film did fairly well there, in fact, that's where I saw it, in a very full theater. In America, the film was killed before it was released because of bad marketing. it is also the same story for Talk to Me by Kasi Lemons. To sleep with Anger would have done extremely well in the black communities if they had marketed it properly to the black audience and also perhaps if Oprah Winfrey had stood behind it, but I don't think Oprah had so much clout when the film came out. Look what Oprah and Tyler did for Precious. I will not get into that debate. Lastly, I would also like to rectify the point about the studios and black community: the studios do very much take into consideration the black film going community, they know that black folks are huge consumers, they just have a hard time considering multi-dimensiotanal, textured black characters. They have archetypes and a set idea of black identity and if you shatter that ideal identity, or propose something else, it is extremely hard for them to fathom. They may fund the making of it, but not the marketing for theatrical release. Voila, Guetty P.S. for the person looking for Charles film I can send him an email On Mar 21, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Dennis Doros wrote: Jessica. You don't know Charles Burnett (appearing on the evenings of April 6, 7 and 8 at MoMA. Be there!). He doesn't get angry. At all. And he's not very sensitive -- in fact, he's a realist. He told an interviewer that it's a shame and the Goldwyn Company got incensed because he was right and they blew it out of proportion. We'll never know if it would have died in the black communities since they didn't show it there. In fact, the studios never considered a black film-going community until Tyler Perry and of course, it took and indie to prove it. I do know KILLER OF SHEEP did well in some of these theaters and ours was a 30-year-old BW film that doesn't have Danny Glover in it. The idea that Black art films don't do well in Black communities and they don't do well overseas is based on pre-conceived, self-defeating notions! Actually, DAUGHTERS OF THE DUST was the first to prove that. :-) DD On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: I guess we can argue this at some point, but this film would have died in regular theaters in the black community. I know how the director is sensitive about this, but I just don't agree and I do remember his anger at the time of release. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, we do know where it is. It's just a case of somebody acting on it. And yes and no. Goldwyn got great reviews but they put the film in the arthouses and excluded the black neighborhoods. They could and should have done both. Dennis On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: Good Luck on TO SLEEP WITH ANGER . Great film, though I do think Godwyn got a bum rap for allegedly not marketing it well. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, Kim, TO SLEEP WITH ANGER was another example, but MGM actually didn't own the rights they sold to Netflix so it was pulled shortly thereafter. My fault, I'm afraid to admit, but I'm still hoping it will be restored and properly released one day by the rightful owners. Studios and indies are indeed bypassing some films on DVD to go straight to streaming. If they do stop in-between, they are creating DVD-Rs made to order. Studios are not really gauging interest in older films by streaming. They're doing it because the money is there now and in the future. I'm told at least by one indie that they are buying as much as possible now because they can stream for good money with little effort. Ugh, but it's a reality. Netflix, on the other hand, is not buying everything on DVD anymore. For smaller titles like ours, they wait until there's enough members waiting on the queue for it combined with a good tomato rating. If neither exists, they won't buy it. So if a DVD is not available on Netflix, DVDs still might exist. There's a good article about the various streaming/download sites in this week's Hollywood Reporter (with a photo of the wonderful Jodie Foster on the cover) though I suspect some sites are GREATLY exaggerating their numbers. I had a least six jokes to follow this, but I'll leave that to y'all to do offline. AMIA in Austin this year! Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film
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Well Goldwyn was roundly ripped at the time and am a big fan of the film, but it is nothing remotely like either Tyler Perry films or Daughters of the Dust. It is a very, very, dark stange disturbing film. It is not that Black films don't do well in Black communities it is that dark, nasty disturbing films about families as opposed to say aliens don't do well outside the art house world. I hardly consider Goldwyn at that time a bunch of narrow minded idiots who did not understand how to market a film. Pretty much every director thinks a company did not market their film correctly. I truly wish you all the luck with this great film, but I will be most curious to see if you will be able to detemine the racial breakdown of who buys the dvd/streaming or whatever. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com wrote: Jessica. You don't know Charles Burnett (appearing on the evenings of April 6, 7 *and* 8 at MoMA. Be there!). He doesn't get angry. At all. And he's not very sensitive -- in fact, he's a realist. He told an interviewer that it's a shame and the Goldwyn Company got incensed because he was right and they blew it out of proportion. We'll never know if it would have died in the black communities since they didn't show it there. In fact, the studios never considered a black film-going community until Tyler Perry and of course, it took and indie to prove it. I do know KILLER OF SHEEP did well in some of these theaters and ours was a 30-year-old BW film that doesn't have Danny Glover in it. The idea that Black art films don't do well in Black communities and they don't do well overseas is based on pre-conceived, self-defeating notions! Actually, DAUGHTERS OF THE DUST was the first to prove that. :-) DD On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.comwrote: I guess we can argue this at some point, but this film would have died in regular theaters in the black community. I know how the director is sensitive about this, but I just don't agree and I do remember his anger at the time of release. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.comwrote: Well, we do know where it is. It's just a case of somebody acting on it. And yes and no. Goldwyn got great reviews but they put the film in the arthouses and excluded the black neighborhoods. They could and should have done both. Dennis On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: Good Luck on TO SLEEP WITH ANGER . Great film, though I do think Godwyn got a bum rap for allegedly not marketing it well. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.comwrote: Hey, Kim, TO SLEEP WITH ANGER was another example, but MGM actually didn't own the rights they sold to Netflix so it was pulled shortly thereafter. My fault, I'm afraid to admit, but I'm still hoping it will be restored and properly released one day by the rightful owners. Studios and indies are indeed bypassing some films on DVD to go straight to streaming. If they do stop in-between, they are creating DVD-Rs made to order. Studios are not really gauging interest in older films by streaming. They're doing it because the money is there now and in the future. I'm told at least by one indie that they are buying as much as possible now because they can stream for good money with little effort. Ugh, but it's a reality. Netflix, on the other hand, is not buying *everything* on DVD anymore. For smaller titles like ours, they wait until there's enough members waiting on the queue for it combined with a good tomato rating. If neither exists, they won't buy it. So if a DVD is not available on Netflix, DVDs still might exist. There's a good article about the various streaming/download sites in this week's Hollywood Reporter (with a photo of the wonderful Jodie Foster on the cover) though I suspect some sites are GREATLY exaggerating their numbers. I had a least six jokes to follow this, but I'll leave that to y'all to do offline. AMIA in Austin this year! Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Stanton, Kim kim.stan...@unt.eduwrote: Over the last few months, I’ve had several faculty ask me to purchase something they watched on Netflix (either DVD or streaming) for the collection and I haven’t been able to locate a new or used copy for sale anywhere. I’ve also run into a few instances where a film has never been released on DVD, but you can watch instantly (usually for a limited time frame) on Netflix. Looking for Mr. Goodbar (’77) is the only example I
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I understand you and Dennis know Mr. Burnett well while I am just a fan but still don't accept the idea that Goldwyn ( which was not a studio in any way) killed the film before or after it opened. I have dealt with too many really great films that despite rave reviews never found an audience because they were just too tough for most audiences. This includes gay films, Jewish films etc that died with audiences that had rapidly supported films about their communities. I have also dealt with many directors and producers who are convinced that their film would have been a hit if only the distributor had done certain things. I realize this is not really an appropriate discussion for videolib and a bit of an odd one because I love the film and have since it came out, but again I just don't accept that Goldwyn through some combination of incompetence and stereotyping a potential audience blew a chance for To Sleep with Anger to be a big hit. PS I have no doubt the theater was full in France, except for Jerry Lewis they have great taste. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Guetty Felin-Cohen gfe...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, Allow me to intervene slightly on your exchanges as a friend of Charles Burnett, a fellow filmmaker of color who is currently working with Charles on a feature length film project. He is one of the calmest people I have ever known. He is also extremely funny, I have never seen him angry he is too zen for that. As someone who lived in France for a few years I would like to say that the film did fairly well there, in fact, that's where I saw it, in a very full theater. In America, the film was killed before it was released because of bad marketing. it is also the same story for *Talk to Me* by Kasi Lemons. *To sleep with Ange*r would have done extremely well in the black communities if they had marketed it properly to the black audience and also perhaps if Oprah Winfrey had stood behind it, but I don't think Oprah had so much clout when the film came out. Look what Oprah and Tyler did for Precious. I will not get into that debate. Lastly, I would also like to rectify the point about the studios and black community: the studios do very much take into consideration the black film going community, they know that black folks are huge consumers, they just have a hard time considering multi-dimensiotanal, textured black characters. They have archetypes and a set idea of black identity and if you shatter that ideal identity, or propose something else, it is extremely hard for them to fathom. They may fund the making of it, but not the marketing for theatrical release. Voila, Guetty P.S. for the person looking for Charles film I can send him an email On Mar 21, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Dennis Doros wrote: Jessica. You don't know Charles Burnett (appearing on the evenings of April 6, 7 *and* 8 at MoMA. Be there!). He doesn't get angry. At all. And he's not very sensitive -- in fact, he's a realist. He told an interviewer that it's a shame and the Goldwyn Company got incensed because he was right and they blew it out of proportion. We'll never know if it would have died in the black communities since they didn't show it there. In fact, the studios never considered a black film-going community until Tyler Perry and of course, it took and indie to prove it. I do know KILLER OF SHEEP did well in some of these theaters and ours was a 30-year-old BW film that doesn't have Danny Glover in it. The idea that Black art films don't do well in Black communities and they don't do well overseas is based on pre-conceived, self-defeating notions! Actually, DAUGHTERS OF THE DUST was the first to prove that. :-) DD On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.comwrote: I guess we can argue this at some point, but this film would have died in regular theaters in the black community. I know how the director is sensitive about this, but I just don't agree and I do remember his anger at the time of release. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.comwrote: Well, we do know where it is. It's just a case of somebody acting on it. And yes and no. Goldwyn got great reviews but they put the film in the arthouses and excluded the black neighborhoods. They could and should have done both. Dennis On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: Good Luck on TO SLEEP WITH ANGER . Great film, though I do think Godwyn got a bum rap for allegedly not marketing it well. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.comwrote: Hey, Kim, TO SLEEP WITH ANGER was another example, but MGM actually didn't own the rights they sold to Netflix so it was pulled shortly thereafter. My fault, I'm afraid to admit, but I'm still hoping it will be restored and properly released one day by the rightful owners. Studios and indies are indeed bypassing some films on DVD to go
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Getting back to Kim's question...
I think the erratic offerings for streaming is also caused by Netflix primarily
offering titles available from Starz's catalog.
I found a somewhat recent British film (Stone of Destiny) that was available
streaming, but not on DVD in Netflix.
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University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu
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Subject: [Videolib] Netflix vs. availablility in the marketplace
Over the last few months, I've had several faculty ask me to purchase something
they watched on Netflix (either DVD or streaming) for the collection and I
haven't been able to locate a new or used copy for sale anywhere. I've also
run into a few instances where a film has never been released on DVD, but you
can watch instantly (usually for a limited time frame) on Netflix. Looking for
Mr. Goodbar ('77) is the only example I can think of offhand.
Is Netflix streaming being used by studios to gauge interest in older film
before releasing on DVD? Or are they already starting to bypass the physical
copy for streaming? And I've noticed a few newish releases that are available
streaming (Netflix or Amazon Instant) but not DVD - I thought this was a watch
exclusively here for the first month thing, but now I'm wondering if these
films will ever come out on DVD.
Is this another sign of an impending physical media apocalypse?
Kim Stanton
Head, Media Library
University of North Texas
kim.stan...@unt.edu
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