[VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
Thank you - very clear. Of course, it'll make plucking just the high octave a bit trickier if playing close(ish) to the bridge but, conversely, will make playing just the bass of the pair a bit easier... Martyn --- On Tue, 29/11/11, Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl wrote: From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Tuesday, 29 November, 2011, 9:41 Eh, I'll try. If you make a normal loop and keep some 10 cms extra string length 'behind the bridge' you can pull it again through the slot (in the direction of the neck). Then make a loop _over_ the string and pull back through the slot again. Fix it on the bridge in the 'normal' way, coming from the back of the bridge. This can of course only be done with slots. May even be a reason why they are there. - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: [2]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu; Lex Eisenhardt [3]eisenha...@planet.nl Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges Thank you Lex: It seems an interesting idea, but I'm not sure I follow how you actually do this ie tie the second loop/knot. Could you please explain further? rgds To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=eisenha...@planet.nl 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
But why would you want the treble string to be considerably lower than the bourdon? What would be the advantages? On my guitar the treble string is in any case slightly lower - because it is thinner. It is also lower at the nut. (Perhaps that is what is causing the buzz!). This is an even bigger problem with the bourdon on the fifth course. If you make a deeper groove for the bourdon in the nut that can also result in it being too close to the fingerboard. One possible advantage to having slots is that you can adjust the distance between the strings of a course a little without having to bore holes... Monica - Original Message - From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu; Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 9:41 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges Eh, I'll try. If you make a normal loop and keep some 10 cms extra string length 'behind the bridge' you can pull it again through the slot (in the direction of the neck). Then make a loop _over_ the string and pull back through the slot again. Fix it on the bridge in the 'normal' way, coming from the back of the bridge. This can of course only be done with slots. May even be a reason why they are there. - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu; Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges Thank you Lex: It seems an interesting idea, but I'm not sure I follow how you actually do this ie tie the second loop/knot. Could you please explain further? rgds To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
- Original Message - From: Eugene C. Braig IV brai...@osu.edu To: 'Monica Hall' mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:33 PM Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges -Original Message- From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:35 PM To: Eugene C. Braig IV Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges Sounds like a plan. ...If I can convince you to coauthor! Eugene If I am still around by then. Monica [Eugene C. Braig IV] Ha! You've provided incentive for me to strive for an early retirement. Eugene Carpe diem! Monica To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
Of course, it'll make plucking just the high octave a bit trickier if playing close(ish) to the bridge but, conversely, will make playing just the bass of the pair a bit easier... Even a whole lot, Lex To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
Of course, it'll make plucking just the high octave a bit trickier if playing close(ish) to the bridge but, conversely, will make playing just the bass of the pair a bit easier... or actually not 'just' the bass, but it will be really easier to give more emphasis on the lower string of the pair, to make it sound like a bass. Lex To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges To: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Date: Tuesday, 29 November, 2011, 14:10 Hmmm .. we agree that it makes plucking just the lower of the octave pair easier if one wishes to do this (eg possibly in scalic passages from the third to the 4th course), But it makes things like campanella play trickier - where one wishes much of the sound to be in the same register as the upper course notes of the passage. So I'm really not so sure about the general desirability of what you suggest below - this seems to me to be advocating the dubious position of always requiring a low 'bass' line rather than simply accepting the unique idiomatic sound of the period instrument. regards Martyn --- On Tue, 29/11/11, Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl wrote: From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Tuesday, 29 November, 2011, 13:40 Of course, it'll make plucking just the high octave a bit trickier if playing close(ish) to the bridge but, conversely, will make playing just the bass of the pair a bit easier... or actually not 'just' the bass, but it will be really easier to give more emphasis on the lower string of the pair, to make it sound like a bass. Lex -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
I am inclined to agree with you. Given that the bourdon in any case will be slightly higher the the treble string as it is thicker it is not difficult to give it prominence where necessary. A plain gut bourdon on the fifth is so thick that it is hard to miss! One reason why I have been pondering on these matters is because the Royal College of Music has published a catalogue of the stringed instruments in their collection. They have some interesting guitars and there are nice photos with quite a lot of information about them - although not as much as one would like. Monica Hmmm .. we agree that it makes plucking just the lower of the octave pair easier if one wishes to do this (eg possibly in scalic passages from the third to the 4th course), But it makes things like campanella play trickier - where one wishes much of the sound to be in the same register as the upper course notes of the passage. So I'm really not so sure about the general desirability of what you suggest below - this seems to me to be advocating the dubious position of always requiring a low 'bass' line rather than simply accepting the unique idiomatic sound of the period instrument. regards Martyn --- On Tue, 29/11/11, Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl wrote: From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Tuesday, 29 November, 2011, 13:40 Of course, it'll make plucking just the high octave a bit trickier if playing close(ish) to the bridge but, conversely, will make playing just the bass of the pair a bit easier... or actually not 'just' the bass, but it will be really easier to give more emphasis on the lower string of the pair, to make it sound like a bass. Lex -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Guitar bridges
Hmmm .. we agree that it makes plucking just the lower of the octave pair easier if one wishes to do this (eg possibly in scalic passages from the third to the 4th course), ...and of course in polyphony (or, as some say in Britain, counterpoint). But it makes things like campanella play trickier - where one wishes much of the sound to be in the same register as the upper course notes of the passage. Isn't that very much a matter of technique? It still remains perfectly possible to bring out the high ocaves convincingly. And there arealso lots of campanelas in music for 'French' tuning, which stillhas one bourdon. Since there seems to be no historic information at all about leaving out the bourdons in 'cascading scalar passages' I think we should be careful with supposing that that was the norm. We just don't know So I'm really not so sure about the general desirability of what you suggest below - this seems to me to be advocating the dubious position of always requiring a low 'bass' line rather than simply accepting the unique idiomatic sound of the period instrument. Who advocates that there should always be sounding a low bass? That is certainly not what I intend to say. Also with an octave string adjusted lower at the bridge it is well possible to mainly bring out the treble strings. It's not a matter of black or white. And what if someone like the champion of campanelas (Bartolotti) would have preferred to use bourdons? I know some on this list do not believe that, but I feel there are enough reasons to take this as an serious option. It seems to me that the 'unique idiomatic sound of the period instrument' could well be a modern paradigm. Would a guitar with bourdons not be capable to produce that unique sound? Lex -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
