[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Monica Hall]

Wow!   If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de Murcia you 
will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from Passacalles y 
obras!   It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th and 
5th courses.with a very imposing sound.


Interesting indeed.

It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras de 
guitarra series.


Amazing what you can find on the internet.

Monica


- Original Message - 
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu

To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 baroque guitar by Jose 
Romanillos.


Best,
Eugene


From: Monica Hall [mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

Please do - that would be helpful!
Monica

- Original Message -
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2



Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the
exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he
certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in early
instruments.

Best,
Eugene


-Original Message-
From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

That's helpful.  I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces
by
Murcia in 1979to .   He and James Tyler play baroque instruments but
Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar.  I am sure there must be
more.

Monica

- Original Message -
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2



I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their
activity for years.  I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . .
or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist.

Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of:
- Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977);
- James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca:
1978); and
- Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985).

I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately
on hand in the day-job office.

Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might
want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the
summit
list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher,
Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev.

Luck,
Eugene




-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf Of Monica Hall
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM
To: Azalais
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

I have Lorimer's facsimile.   What I am really trying to find out is
whether
there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also
whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published 
before

that date.   The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's
facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became
flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself did
dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich 
refers

to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974.

Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the
Guitar-Summit
list.   I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards
the
classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer
this query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque
guitar.
But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any
response.  Perhaps it is now defunct.

Regards to all

Monica

- Original Message -   From: Azalais
To: Monica Hall
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM
Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


Hello Monica,


Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references leads
me to believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's 
book

and its bibliography.


If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it.


Thank you for the research!  I have always been a fan of De Murcia.


Azalais



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[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Martyn Hodgson]

   Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument:
   in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela
   played by Orpheus in Milan's collection.  Perhaps you mean it's bigger
   than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because of
   a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!...
   regards,
   Martyn
 __

   From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   To: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
   Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   Wow!  If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de Murcia
   you
   will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from
   Passacalles y
   obras!  It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th
   and
   5th courses.with a very imposing sound.
   Interesting indeed.
   It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras de
   guitarra series.
   Amazing what you can find on the internet.
   Monica
   - Original Message -
   From: Braig, Eugene [1]brai...@osu.edu
   To: Monica Hall [2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   Cc: Vihuelalist [3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 baroque guitar by Jose
Romanillos.
   
Best,
Eugene
   

From: Monica Hall [[4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
   0-9618527-1-2
   
Please do - that would be helpful!
Monica
   
- Original Message -
From: Braig, Eugene [5]brai...@osu.edu
To: Vihuelalist [6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   
   
Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check
   the
exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he
certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in early
instruments.
   
Best,
Eugene
   
   
-Original Message-
From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
   0-9618527-1-2
   
That's helpful.  I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4
   pieces
by
Murcia in 1979to .  He and James Tyler play baroque instruments
   but
Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar.  I am sure there must
   be
more.
   
Monica
   
- Original Message -
From: Braig, Eugene [8]brai...@osu.edu
To: Vihuelalist [9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   
   
   I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on
   their
   activity for years.  I'm not certain where to find them any longer .
   . .
   or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist.
   
Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of:
- Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977);
- James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La
   Burlesca:
1978); and
- Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985).
   
I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have
   immediately
on hand in the day-job office.
   
Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you
   might
want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the
summit
list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher,
Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev.
   
Luck,
Eugene
   
   
   
   
-Original Message-
From: [10]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   [mailto:[11]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf Of Monica Hall
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM
To: Azalais
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   
I have Lorimer's facsimile.  What I am really trying to find out is
whether
there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and
   also
whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published
before
that date.  The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's
facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly
   became
flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself
   did
dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich
refers
to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Lex Eisenhardt]

The corpus of original guitars (not vihuelas) is often 'very large'. And low
octaves A and d seem to be an educated choice for Murcia, taking into
account the composers' work (1714) on basso continuo. 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens
Martyn Hodgson
Verzonden: dinsdag 13 mei 2014 13:30
Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene
CC: Vihuelalist
Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


   Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument:
   in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela
   played by Orpheus in Milan's collection.  Perhaps you mean it's bigger
   than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because of
   a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!...
   regards,
   Martyn
 __

   From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   To: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
   Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   Wow!  If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de Murcia
   you
   will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from
   Passacalles y
   obras!  It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th
   and
   5th courses.with a very imposing sound.
   Interesting indeed.
   It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras de
   guitarra series.
   Amazing what you can find on the internet.
   Monica
   - Original Message -
   From: Braig, Eugene [1]brai...@osu.edu
   To: Monica Hall [2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   Cc: Vihuelalist [3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 baroque guitar by Jose
Romanillos.
   
Best,
Eugene
   

From: Monica Hall [[4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
   0-9618527-1-2
   
Please do - that would be helpful!
Monica
   
- Original Message -
From: Braig, Eugene [5]brai...@osu.edu
To: Vihuelalist [6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   
   
Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check
   the
exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he
certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in early
instruments.
   
Best,
Eugene
   
   
-Original Message-
From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
   0-9618527-1-2
   
That's helpful.  I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4
   pieces
by
Murcia in 1979to .  He and James Tyler play baroque instruments
   but
Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar.  I am sure there must
   be
more.
   
Monica
   
- Original Message -
From: Braig, Eugene [8]brai...@osu.edu
To: Vihuelalist [9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   
   
   I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on
   their
   activity for years.  I'm not certain where to find them any longer .
   . .
   or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist.
   
Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of:
- Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977);
- James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La
   Burlesca:
1978); and
- Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985).
   
I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have
   immediately
on hand in the day-job office.
   
Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you
   might
want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the
summit
list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher,
Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev.
   
Luck,
Eugene
   
   
   
   
-Original Message-
From: [10]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   [mailto:[11]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf Of Monica Hall
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM
To: Azalais
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   
I have Lorimer's facsimile.  What I am really trying to find out is
whether
there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Braig, Eugene]

Ah, yes.  I believe that video is excerpted from Bream's little BBC series 
Guitarra!

The size of the instrument also looks in line to me with that of other 18th-c. 
Spanish guitars.  I've personally inspected this fine piece by Jose Massague, 
e.g.

http://www.metmuseum.org/Collections/search-the-collections/503390?rpp=20pg=1rndkey=20140513ao=onft=*what=Musical+instruments|Guitarspos=19

Best,
Eugene


From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of Martyn 
Hodgson [hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:30 AM
To: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

   Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument:
   in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela
   played by Orpheus in Milan's collection.  Perhaps you mean it's bigger
   than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because of
   a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!...
   regards,
   Martyn
 __

   From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   To: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
   Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   Wow!  If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de Murcia
   you
   will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from
   Passacalles y
   obras!  It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th
   and
   5th courses.with a very imposing sound.
   Interesting indeed.
   It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras de
   guitarra series.
   Amazing what you can find on the internet.
   Monica
   - Original Message -
   From: Braig, Eugene [1]brai...@osu.edu
   To: Monica Hall [2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   Cc: Vihuelalist [3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 baroque guitar by Jose
Romanillos.
   
Best,
Eugene
   

From: Monica Hall [[4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
   0-9618527-1-2
   
Please do - that would be helpful!
Monica
   
- Original Message -
From: Braig, Eugene [5]brai...@osu.edu
To: Vihuelalist [6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   
   
Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check
   the
exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he
certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in early
instruments.
   
Best,
Eugene
   
   
-Original Message-
From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
   0-9618527-1-2
   
That's helpful.  I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4
   pieces
by
Murcia in 1979to .  He and James Tyler play baroque instruments
   but
Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar.  I am sure there must
   be
more.
   
Monica
   
- Original Message -
From: Braig, Eugene [8]brai...@osu.edu
To: Vihuelalist [9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   
   
   I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on
   their
   activity for years.  I'm not certain where to find them any longer .
   . .
   or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist.
   
Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of:
- Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977);
- James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La
   Burlesca:
1978); and
- Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985).
   
I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have
   immediately
on hand in the day-job office.
   
Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you
   might
want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the
summit
list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher,
Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev.
   
Luck,
Eugene
   
   
   
   
-Original Message-
From: [10]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   [mailto:[11]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf Of Monica Hall
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM
To: Azalais
Cc

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Monica Hall]

Yes it is - I remember watching it on the tele.

Monica

- Original Message - 
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu

To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk; Monica Hall
mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:59 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2



Ah, yes.  I believe that video is excerpted from Bream's little BBC series
Guitarra!

The size of the instrument also looks in line to me with that of other
18th-c. Spanish guitars.  I've personally inspected this fine piece by
Jose Massague, e.g.

http://www.metmuseum.org/Collections/search-the-collections/503390?rpp=20pg=1rndkey=20140513ao=onft=*what=Musical+instruments|Guitarspos=19

Best,
Eugene


From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of
Martyn Hodgson [hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:30 AM
To: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

  Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument:
  in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela
  played by Orpheus in Milan's collection.  Perhaps you mean it's bigger
  than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because of
  a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!...
  regards,
  Martyn
__

  From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
  To: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
  Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41
  Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
  Wow!  If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de Murcia
  you
  will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from
  Passacalles y
  obras!  It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th
  and
  5th courses.with a very imposing sound.
  Interesting indeed.
  It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras de
  guitarra series.
  Amazing what you can find on the internet.
  Monica
  - Original Message -
  From: Braig, Eugene [1]brai...@osu.edu
  To: Monica Hall [2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
  Cc: Vihuelalist [3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM
  Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 baroque guitar by Jose
   Romanillos.
  
   Best,
   Eugene
  
   
   From: Monica Hall [[4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
   Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
   To: Braig, Eugene
   Cc: Vihuelalist
   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
  0-9618527-1-2
  
   Please do - that would be helpful!
   Monica
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Braig, Eugene [5]brai...@osu.edu
   To: Vihuelalist [6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
  
  
   Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check
  the
   exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he
   certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in early
   instruments.
  
   Best,
   Eugene
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
   Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
   To: Braig, Eugene
   Cc: Vihuelalist
   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
  0-9618527-1-2
  
   That's helpful.  I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4
  pieces
   by
   Murcia in 1979to .  He and James Tyler play baroque instruments
  but
   Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar.  I am sure there must
  be
   more.
  
   Monica
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Braig, Eugene [8]brai...@osu.edu
   To: Vihuelalist [9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
  
  
  I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on
  their
  activity for years.  I'm not certain where to find them any longer .
  . .
  or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist.
  
   Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of:
   - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977);
   - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La
  Burlesca:
   1978); and
   - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985).
  
   I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have
  immediately
   on hand in the day-job office.
  
   Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you
  might
   want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the
   summit
   list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher,
   Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev.
  
   Luck

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Martyn Hodgson]

   Indeed Eugene. But aren't we looking at early vihuelas here rather than
   later 5 course guitars. Hence my reference to the Milan engraving which
   shows a 'large' sized instrument (tho' to be fair, some other
   iconography - all pretty crude stuff - does show smaller instruments
   which _may_ be vihuelas too).
   Martyn
 __

   From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
   To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk; Monica Hall
   mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 12:59
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   Ah, yes.  I believe that video is excerpted from Bream's little BBC
   series Guitarra!
   The size of the instrument also looks in line to me with that of other
   18th-c. Spanish guitars.  I've personally inspected this fine piece by
   Jose Massague, e.g.
   [1]http://www.metmuseum.org/Collections/search-the-collections/503390?r
   pp pg=1rndkey 140513ao=onft=*what=Musical+instruments|Guitarspos
   Best,
   Eugene
   
   From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on
   behalf of Martyn Hodgson [[4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk]
   Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:30 AM
   To: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene
   Cc: Vihuelalist
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
 Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument:
 in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela
 played by Orpheus in Milan's collection.  Perhaps you mean it's
   bigger
 than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because
   of
 a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!...
 regards,
 Martyn
   __
 From: Monica Hall [5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
 To: Braig, Eugene [6]brai...@osu.edu
 Cc: Vihuelalist [7]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41
 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
 Wow!  If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de
   Murcia
 you
 will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from
 Passacalles y
 obras!  It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th
 and
 5th courses.with a very imposing sound.
 Interesting indeed.
 It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras
   de
 guitarra series.
 Amazing what you can find on the internet.
 Monica
 - Original Message -
 From: Braig, Eugene [1][8]brai...@osu.edu
 To: Monica Hall [2][9]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
 Cc: Vihuelalist [3][10]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM
 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
  Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 baroque guitar by Jose
  Romanillos.
 
  Best,
  Eugene
 
  
  From: Monica Hall [[4][11]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
  To: Braig, Eugene
  Cc: Vihuelalist
  Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
 0-9618527-1-2
 
  Please do - that would be helpful!
  Monica
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Braig, Eugene [5][12]brai...@osu.edu
  To: Vihuelalist [6][13]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM
  Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
 
 
  Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check
 the
  exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but
   he
  certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in early
  instruments.
 
  Best,
  Eugene
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7][14]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
  To: Braig, Eugene
  Cc: Vihuelalist
  Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
 0-9618527-1-2
 
  That's helpful.  I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4
 pieces
  by
  Murcia in 1979to .  He and James Tyler play baroque instruments
 but
  Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar.  I am sure there
   must
 be
  more.
 
  Monica
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Braig, Eugene [8][15]brai...@osu.edu
  To: Vihuelalist [9][16]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM
  Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
 
 
 I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on
 their
 activity for years.  I'm not certain where to find them any longer
   .
 . .
 or, as you've alluded

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Lex Eisenhardt]

It would be difficult to argue about your personal preferences, Martyn. 
And 'more common solo repertoire tunings of the period'? How about Guerau or
Ribayaz, and Castillion? Better to admit that we cannot be sure about those
things.

Lex

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens
Martyn Hodgson
Verzonden: dinsdag 13 mei 2014 14:27
Aan: Lex Eisenhardt; 'Vihuelalist'
Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


   I agree with you about sizes of 5 course guitars but not about your
   preferred tuning for de Murcia's solo music: in my view it works best
   with the 'French' ('Corbetta') tuning with a bourdon only on the fourth
   course. By best I mean that tuning in which the various parts are
   clearest with minimal breaks in tessitura. Of course, no historic
   guitar tuning is perfect for everything and whatever tuning is employed
   there are going to be some such breaks but I think this is merely the
   idiosyncratic charm of the instrument.
   I think it a mistake to presume he would use the same tuning he
   employed for basso continuo for his solo music. In my view it's more
   likely he employed one of the more common solo repertoire tunings of
   the period: ie either the 'French' tuning or possibly that with just
   high octaves on the fourth and fifth courses
   Martyn
 __

   From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl
   To: 'Vihuelalist' vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 12:46
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   The corpus of original guitars (not vihuelas) is often 'very large'.
   And low
   octaves A and d seem to be an educated choice for Murcia, taking into
   account the composers' work (1714) on basso continuo.
   -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
   Van: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
   Namens
   Martyn Hodgson
   Verzonden: dinsdag 13 mei 2014 13:30
   Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene
   CC: Vihuelalist
   Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
 Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument:
 in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela
 played by Orpheus in Milan's collection.  Perhaps you mean it's
   bigger
 than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because
   of
 a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!...
 regards,
 Martyn
   __
 From: Monica Hall [3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
 To: Braig, Eugene [4]brai...@osu.edu
 Cc: Vihuelalist [5]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41
 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
 Wow!  If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de
   Murcia
 you
 will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from
 Passacalles y
 obras!  It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th
 and
 5th courses.with a very imposing sound.
 Interesting indeed.
 It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras
   de
 guitarra series.
 Amazing what you can find on the internet.
 Monica
 - Original Message -
 From: Braig, Eugene [1][6]brai...@osu.edu
 To: Monica Hall [2][7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
 Cc: Vihuelalist [3][8]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM
 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
  Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 baroque guitar by Jose
  Romanillos.
 
  Best,
  Eugene
 
  
  From: Monica Hall [[4][9]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
  To: Braig, Eugene
  Cc: Vihuelalist
  Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
 0-9618527-1-2
 
  Please do - that would be helpful!
  Monica
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Braig, Eugene [5][10]brai...@osu.edu
  To: Vihuelalist [6][11]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM
  Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
 
 
  Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check
 the
  exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but
   he
  certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in early
  instruments.
 
  Best,
  Eugene
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7][12]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
  To: Braig, Eugene
  Cc: Vihuelalist
  Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
 0-9618527-1-2
 
  That's

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Monica Hall]

Re stringing = I suggest we leave it that and don't get involved in 
arguments about

it yet again.   We all have are own preferences.

Monica


- Original Message - 
From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk

To: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl; 'Vihuelalist'
vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 1:26 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2



  I agree with you about sizes of 5 course guitars but not about your
  preferred tuning for de Murcia's solo music: in my view it works best
  with the 'French' ('Corbetta') tuning with a bourdon only on the fourth
  course. By best I mean that tuning in which the various parts are
  clearest with minimal breaks in tessitura. Of course, no historic
  guitar tuning is perfect for everything and whatever tuning is employed
  there are going to be some such breaks but I think this is merely the
  idiosyncratic charm of the instrument.
  I think it a mistake to presume he would use the same tuning he
  employed for basso continuo for his solo music. In my view it's more
  likely he employed one of the more common solo repertoire tunings of
  the period: ie either the 'French' tuning or possibly that with just
  high octaves on the fourth and fifth courses
  Martyn
__

  From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl
  To: 'Vihuelalist' vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 12:46
  Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
  The corpus of original guitars (not vihuelas) is often 'very large'.
  And low
  octaves A and d seem to be an educated choice for Murcia, taking into
  account the composers' work (1714) on basso continuo.
  -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
  Van: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
  Namens
  Martyn Hodgson
  Verzonden: dinsdag 13 mei 2014 13:30
  Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene
  CC: Vihuelalist
  Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument:
in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela
played by Orpheus in Milan's collection.  Perhaps you mean it's
  bigger
than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because
  of
a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!...
regards,
Martyn
  __
From: Monica Hall [3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
To: Braig, Eugene [4]brai...@osu.edu
Cc: Vihuelalist [5]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Wow!  If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de
  Murcia
you
will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from
Passacalles y
obras!  It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th
and
5th courses.with a very imposing sound.
Interesting indeed.
It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras
  de
guitarra series.
Amazing what you can find on the internet.
Monica
- Original Message -
From: Braig, Eugene [1][6]brai...@osu.edu
To: Monica Hall [2][7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Cc: Vihuelalist [3][8]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
 Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 baroque guitar by Jose
 Romanillos.

 Best,
 Eugene

 
 From: Monica Hall [[4][9]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
 To: Braig, Eugene
 Cc: Vihuelalist
 Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
0-9618527-1-2

 Please do - that would be helpful!
 Monica

 - Original Message -
 From: Braig, Eugene [5][10]brai...@osu.edu
 To: Vihuelalist [6][11]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM
 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


 Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check
the
 exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but
  he
 certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in early
 instruments.

 Best,
 Eugene


 -Original Message-
 From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7][12]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
 To: Braig, Eugene
 Cc: Vihuelalist
 Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
0-9618527-1-2

 That's helpful.  I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4
pieces
 by
 Murcia in 1979to .  He and James Tyler play baroque instruments
but
 Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Monica Hall]

Yes.  Re size - looking at clips of other people playing, his instrument 
does look to me rather large.   My way of judging is to compare the player's 
head with the size of the bouts!


It looks a heavily built instrument, perhaps with fan barring.   Sounds as 
if it is strung with nylon with overwound strings for the bourdons and it 
wouldn't surprise me if it did have fixed frets.


But it is difficult to tell from a Youtube clip.

Monica

- Original Message - 
From: Chris Barker csbarker...@att.net

To: 'Monica Hall' mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 1:18 PM
Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


Jose Romanillos made a five course baroque guitar, a four course 
Renaissance

guitar, and a six course vihuela de mano for Julian Bream.  He played all
three instruments on one album which I think was called The Guitar in 
Spain.

Looking at photographs of those instruments I believe that they might have
had fixed frets.

Chris

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On 
Behalf

Of Monica Hall
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:52 AM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

Many thanks for the information.   Most helpful.

Monica

- Original Message - 
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu

To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM
Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 baroque guitar by Jose
Romanillos.

Best,
Eugene


From: Monica Hall [mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

Please do - that would be helpful!
Monica

- Original Message -
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2



Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the
exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he
certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in early
instruments.

Best,
Eugene


-Original Message-
From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

That's helpful.  I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces
by
Murcia in 1979to .   He and James Tyler play baroque instruments but
Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar.  I am sure there must be
more.

Monica

- Original Message -
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2



I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their
activity for years.  I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . .
or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist.

Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of:
- Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977);
- James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca:
1978); and
- Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985).

I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately
on hand in the day-job office.

Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might
want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the
summit
list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher,
Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev.

Luck,
Eugene




-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf Of Monica Hall
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM
To: Azalais
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

I have Lorimer's facsimile.   What I am really trying to find out is
whether
there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also
whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published 
before

that date.   The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's
facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became
flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself did
dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich 
refers

to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974.

Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the
Guitar-Summit
list.   I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards
the
classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer
this query which is more about classical guitar versions than

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Martyn Hodgson]

   Dear Lex,
   By and large I agree!  It was simply that you seemed pretty certain
   that de Murcia expected bourdons on both fourth and fifth courses for
   his solo music that I thought you might have some evidence.
   regards
   Martyn
 __

   From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl
   To: 'Vihuelalist' vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 13:39
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   It would be difficult to argue about your personal preferences, Martyn.
   And 'more common solo repertoire tunings of the period'? How about
   Guerau or
   Ribayaz, and Castillion? Better to admit that we cannot be sure about
   those
   things.
   Lex
   -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
   Van: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
   Namens
   Martyn Hodgson
   Verzonden: dinsdag 13 mei 2014 14:27
   Aan: Lex Eisenhardt; 'Vihuelalist'
   Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
 I agree with you about sizes of 5 course guitars but not about your
 preferred tuning for de Murcia's solo music: in my view it works best
 with the 'French' ('Corbetta') tuning with a bourdon only on the
   fourth
 course. By best I mean that tuning in which the various parts are
 clearest with minimal breaks in tessitura. Of course, no historic
 guitar tuning is perfect for everything and whatever tuning is
   employed
 there are going to be some such breaks but I think this is merely the
 idiosyncratic charm of the instrument.
 I think it a mistake to presume he would use the same tuning he
 employed for basso continuo for his solo music. In my view it's more
 likely he employed one of the more common solo repertoire tunings of
 the period: ie either the 'French' tuning or possibly that with just
 high octaves on the fourth and fifth courses
 Martyn
   __
 From: Lex Eisenhardt [3]eisenha...@planet.nl
 To: 'Vihuelalist' [4]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 12:46
 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
 The corpus of original guitars (not vihuelas) is often 'very large'.
 And low
 octaves A and d seem to be an educated choice for Murcia, taking into
 account the composers' work (1714) on basso continuo.
 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
 Van: [1][5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   [mailto:[2][6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
 Namens
 Martyn Hodgson
 Verzonden: dinsdag 13 mei 2014 13:30
 Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene
 CC: Vihuelalist
 Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large'
   instrument:
   in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela
   played by Orpheus in Milan's collection.  Perhaps you mean it's
 bigger
   than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because
 of
   a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!...
   regards,
   Martyn

   __
   From: Monica Hall [3][7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   To: Braig, Eugene [4][8]brai...@osu.edu
   Cc: Vihuelalist [5][9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   Wow!  If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de
 Murcia
   you
   will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from
   Passacalles y
   obras!  It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the
   4th
   and
   5th courses.with a very imposing sound.
   Interesting indeed.
   It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his
   Obras
 de
   guitarra series.
   Amazing what you can find on the internet.
   Monica
   - Original Message -
   From: Braig, Eugene [1][6][10]brai...@osu.edu
   To: Monica Hall [2][7][11]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   Cc: Vihuelalist [3][8][12]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 baroque guitar by Jose
Romanillos.
   
Best,
Eugene
   

From: Monica Hall [[4][9][13]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
   0-9618527-1-2
   
Please do - that would be helpful!
Monica
   
- Original Message -
From: Braig, Eugene [5

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Braig, Eugene]

Not me, not in this case.  I was comparing Bream's 5-course guitar by 
Romanillos (as discussed by Monica et al.--as used to perform de Murcia's 
18th-c. compositions) to surviving instruments of that period.

Best,
Eugene


-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Martyn Hodgson
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:30 AM
To: Braig, Eugene; Monica Hall
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

   Indeed Eugene. But aren't we looking at early vihuelas here rather than
   later 5 course guitars. Hence my reference to the Milan engraving which
   shows a 'large' sized instrument (tho' to be fair, some other
   iconography - all pretty crude stuff - does show smaller instruments
   which _may_ be vihuelas too).
   Martyn
 __

   From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
   To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk; Monica Hall
   mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 12:59
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   Ah, yes.  I believe that video is excerpted from Bream's little BBC
   series Guitarra!
   The size of the instrument also looks in line to me with that of other
   18th-c. Spanish guitars.  I've personally inspected this fine piece by
   Jose Massague, e.g.
   [1]http://www.metmuseum.org/Collections/search-the-collections/503390?r
   pp pg=1rndkey 140513ao=onft=*what=Musical+instruments|Guitarspos
   Best,
   Eugene
   
   From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on
   behalf of Martyn Hodgson [[4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk]
   Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:30 AM
   To: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene
   Cc: Vihuelalist
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
 Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument:
 in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela
 played by Orpheus in Milan's collection.  Perhaps you mean it's
   bigger
 than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because
   of
 a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!...
 regards,
 Martyn
   __
 From: Monica Hall [5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
 To: Braig, Eugene [6]brai...@osu.edu
 Cc: Vihuelalist [7]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41
 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
 Wow!  If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de
   Murcia
 you
 will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from
 Passacalles y
 obras!  It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th
 and
 5th courses.with a very imposing sound.
 Interesting indeed.
 It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras
   de
 guitarra series.
 Amazing what you can find on the internet.
 Monica
 - Original Message -
 From: Braig, Eugene [1][8]brai...@osu.edu
 To: Monica Hall [2][9]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
 Cc: Vihuelalist [3][10]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM
 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
  Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 baroque guitar by Jose
  Romanillos.
 
  Best,
  Eugene
 
  
  From: Monica Hall [[4][11]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
  To: Braig, Eugene
  Cc: Vihuelalist
  Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
 0-9618527-1-2
 
  Please do - that would be helpful!
  Monica
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Braig, Eugene [5][12]brai...@osu.edu
  To: Vihuelalist [6][13]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM
  Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
 
 
  Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check
 the
  exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but
   he
  certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in early
  instruments.
 
  Best,
  Eugene
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7][14]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
  To: Braig, Eugene
  Cc: Vihuelalist
  Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
 0-9618527-1-2
 
  That's helpful.  I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4
 pieces
  by
  Murcia in 1979to .  He and James Tyler play baroque instruments
 but
  Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar.  I am sure there
   must

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Braig, Eugene]

Here is at least a little information on Romanillos' baroque guitars as used 
by Bream:

http://www.kentguitarclassics.com/classical-guitars/jose-luis-romanillos/jose-luis-romanillos-of-semley-3

Enjoy.

Eugene


-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Monica Hall
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:47 AM
To: Chris Barker
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

Yes.  Re size - looking at clips of other people playing, his instrument 
does look to me rather large.   My way of judging is to compare the player's 
head with the size of the bouts!

It looks a heavily built instrument, perhaps with fan barring.   Sounds as 
if it is strung with nylon with overwound strings for the bourdons and it 
wouldn't surprise me if it did have fixed frets.

But it is difficult to tell from a Youtube clip.

Monica

- Original Message -
From: Chris Barker csbarker...@att.net
To: 'Monica Hall' mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 1:18 PM
Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


 Jose Romanillos made a five course baroque guitar, a four course 
 Renaissance
 guitar, and a six course vihuela de mano for Julian Bream.  He played all
 three instruments on one album which I think was called The Guitar in 
 Spain.
 Looking at photographs of those instruments I believe that they might have
 had fixed frets.

 Chris

 -Original Message-
 From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On 
 Behalf
 Of Monica Hall
 Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:52 AM
 To: Braig, Eugene
 Cc: Vihuelalist
 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

 Many thanks for the information.   Most helpful.

 Monica

 - Original Message - 
 From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
 To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
 Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM
 Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


 Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 baroque guitar by Jose
 Romanillos.

 Best,
 Eugene

 
 From: Monica Hall [mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
 To: Braig, Eugene
 Cc: Vihuelalist
 Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

 Please do - that would be helpful!
 Monica

 - Original Message -
 From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
 To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM
 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


 Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the
 exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he
 certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in early
 instruments.

 Best,
 Eugene


 -Original Message-
 From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
 To: Braig, Eugene
 Cc: Vihuelalist
 Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

 That's helpful.  I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces
 by
 Murcia in 1979to .   He and James Tyler play baroque instruments but
 Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar.  I am sure there must be
 more.

 Monica

 - Original Message -
 From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
 To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM
 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their
activity for years.  I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . .
or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist.

 Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of:
 - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977);
 - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca:
 1978); and
 - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985).

 I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately
 on hand in the day-job office.

 Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might
 want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the
 summit
 list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher,
 Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev.

 Luck,
 Eugene




 -Original Message-
 From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
 Behalf Of Monica Hall
 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM
 To: Azalais
 Cc: Vihuelalist
 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

 I have Lorimer's facsimile.   What I am really trying to find out is
 whether
 there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also
 whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published 
 before
 that date.   The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's
 facsimile

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Monica Hall]

Very interesting.   It has got tied on frets! And it is not really that 
big - at least the string length is quite modest at 65cms.   Many thanks for 
supplying the link.
Youtube is deceptive especially as regards tone quality which often isn't 
very good.


Monica

- Original Message - 
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu

To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 6:02 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


Here is at least a little information on Romanillos' baroque guitars as 
used by Bream:


http://www.kentguitarclassics.com/classical-guitars/jose-luis-romanillos/jose-luis-romanillos-of-semley-3

Enjoy.

Eugene


-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On 
Behalf Of Monica Hall

Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:47 AM
To: Chris Barker
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

Yes.  Re size - looking at clips of other people playing, his instrument
does look to me rather large.   My way of judging is to compare the 
player's

head with the size of the bouts!

It looks a heavily built instrument, perhaps with fan barring.   Sounds as
if it is strung with nylon with overwound strings for the bourdons and it 
wouldn't surprise me if it did have fixed frets.


But it is difficult to tell from a Youtube clip.

Monica

- Original Message -
From: Chris Barker csbarker...@att.net
To: 'Monica Hall' mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 1:18 PM
Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2



Jose Romanillos made a five course baroque guitar, a four course
Renaissance
guitar, and a six course vihuela de mano for Julian Bream.  He played all
three instruments on one album which I think was called The Guitar in
Spain.
Looking at photographs of those instruments I believe that they might 
have

had fixed frets.

Chris

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf
Of Monica Hall
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:52 AM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

Many thanks for the information.   Most helpful.

Monica

- Original Message - 
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu

To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM
Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 baroque guitar by Jose
Romanillos.

Best,
Eugene


From: Monica Hall [mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

Please do - that would be helpful!
Monica

- Original Message -
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2



Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the
exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he
certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in early
instruments.

Best,
Eugene


-Original Message-
From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

That's helpful.  I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces
by
Murcia in 1979to .   He and James Tyler play baroque instruments but
Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar.  I am sure there must be
more.

Monica

- Original Message -
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2



I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their
activity for years.  I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . .
or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist.

Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of:
- Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977);
- James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca:
1978); and
- Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985).

I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have 
immediately

on hand in the day-job office.

Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might
want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the
summit
list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher,
Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev.

Luck,
Eugene




-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf Of Monica Hall
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM
To: Azalais
Cc

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Monica Hall]

I have Lorimer's facsimile.   What I am really trying to find out is whether 
there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also 
whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published before 
that date.   The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's 
facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became 
flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself did 
dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich refers to 
him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974.


Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the Guitar-Summit 
list.   I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards the 
classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer this 
query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque guitar. 
But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any 
response.  Perhaps it is now defunct.


Regards to all

Monica

- Original Message -   From: Azalais
To: Monica Hall
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM
Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


Hello Monica,


Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references leads me 
to believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's book and 
its bibliography.



If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it.


Thank you for the research!  I have always been a fan of De Murcia.


Azalais 




To get on or off this list see list information at
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Braig, Eugene]

I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their 
activity for years.  I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . . or, as 
you've alluded, if they even still exist.

Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of:
- Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977);
- James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca: 1978); and
- Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985).

I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately on 
hand in the day-job office.

Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might want to 
try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the summit list): 
Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher, Ernesto Quezada), 
and maybe Oleg Timofeyev.

Luck,
Eugene




-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Monica Hall
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM
To: Azalais
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

I have Lorimer's facsimile.   What I am really trying to find out is whether 
there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also whether 
any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published before 
that date.   The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's 
facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became 
flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself did 
dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich refers to 
him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974.

Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the Guitar-Summit 
list.   I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards the 
classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer this 
query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque guitar. 
But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any 
response.  Perhaps it is now defunct.

Regards to all

Monica

- Original Message -   From: Azalais
To: Monica Hall
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM
Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


Hello Monica,


Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references leads me to 
believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's book and its 
bibliography.


If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it.


Thank you for the research!  I have always been a fan of De Murcia.


Azalais 



To get on or off this list see list information at 
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Monica Hall]

   Many thanks Arthur.  I will do that.



   Monica

   - Original Message -

   From: [1]AJN

   To: [2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk

   Cc: [3]nels...@ecu.edu ; [4]arthurjn...@verizon.net

   Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:40 PM

   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

Dear Monica and Jocelyn,

   I glanced through the World Catalogue  and saw a few (ten or so) before
   1987, including Segovia.  Most were Prelude and Allegro, and one was
   preludes in all keys from Obras.  So I didn't find much that you would
   consider useful.  When you get to the Santiago de Murcia page, click in
   the left column, LP and Casset to filter your search.  I enjoyed
   meeting Lorimer a few years ago when he played a recital for the
   BostonCMSoc.  He brought along some copies of his Saldivar facsimile,
   so he still has it for sale.  The Craig Russel facsimile was a
   disappointment.  It was so tiny.

   [5]https://www.worldcat.org/

   Arthur.




   On 05/12/14, Monica Hallmjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

   I have Lorimer's facsimile. What I am really trying to find out is
   whether
   there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also
   whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published
   before
   that date. The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's
   facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became
   flavour of the month big time. Several people including myself did
   dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich
   refers to
   him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974.
   Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the
   Guitar-Summit
   list. I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards
   the
   classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer
   this
   query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque
   guitar.
   But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any
   response. Perhaps it is now defunct.
   Regards to all
   Monica
   - Original Message - From: Azalais
   To: Monica Hall
   Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM
   Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
   Hello Monica,
   Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references
   leads me
   to believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's book
   and
   its bibliography.
   If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it.
   Thank you for the research! I have always been a fan of De Murcia.
   Azalais
   To get on or off this list see list information at
   [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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References

   1. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
   2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
   3. mailto:nels...@ecu.edu
   4. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net
   5. https://www.worldcat.org/
   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Braig, Eugene]

Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the exact 
phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he certainly 
favored a modern functionality when dabbling in early instruments.

Best,
Eugene


-Original Message-
From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

That's helpful.  I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces by 
Murcia in 1979to .   He and James Tyler play baroque instruments but 
Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar.  I am sure there must be more.

Monica

- Original Message - 
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their 
activity for years.  I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . . 
or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist.

 Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of:
 - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977);
 - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca: 
 1978); and
 - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985).

 I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately 
 on hand in the day-job office.

 Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might 
 want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the summit 
 list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher, 
 Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev.

 Luck,
 Eugene




 -Original Message-
 From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On 
 Behalf Of Monica Hall
 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM
 To: Azalais
 Cc: Vihuelalist
 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

 I have Lorimer's facsimile.   What I am really trying to find out is 
 whether
 there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also 
 whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published before
 that date.   The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's
 facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became
 flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself did
 dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich refers 
 to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974.

 Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the Guitar-Summit
 list.   I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards 
 the
 classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer 
 this query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque 
 guitar.
 But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any 
 response.  Perhaps it is now defunct.

 Regards to all

 Monica

 - Original Message -   From: Azalais
 To: Monica Hall
 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM
 Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


 Hello Monica,


 Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references leads 
 me to believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's book 
 and its bibliography.


 If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it.


 Thank you for the research!  I have always been a fan of De Murcia.


 Azalais



 To get on or off this list see list information at 
 http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html


 

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Monica Hall]

Please do - that would be helpful!
Monica

- Original Message - 
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu

To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the 
exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he 
certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in early 
instruments.


Best,
Eugene


-Original Message-
From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

That's helpful.  I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces 
by

Murcia in 1979to .   He and James Tyler play baroque instruments but
Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar.  I am sure there must be 
more.


Monica

- Original Message - 
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu

To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2



I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their
activity for years.  I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . .
or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist.

Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of:
- Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977);
- James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca:
1978); and
- Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985).

I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately
on hand in the day-job office.

Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might
want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the 
summit

list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher,
Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev.

Luck,
Eugene




-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf Of Monica Hall
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM
To: Azalais
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

I have Lorimer's facsimile.   What I am really trying to find out is
whether
there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also
whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published before
that date.   The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's
facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became
flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself did
dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich refers
to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974.

Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the 
Guitar-Summit

list.   I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards
the
classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer
this query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque
guitar.
But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any
response.  Perhaps it is now defunct.

Regards to all

Monica

- Original Message -   From: Azalais
To: Monica Hall
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM
Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


Hello Monica,


Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references leads
me to believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's book
and its bibliography.


If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it.


Thank you for the research!  I have always been a fan of De Murcia.


Azalais



To get on or off this list see list information at
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Braig, Eugene]

Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 baroque guitar by Jose Romanillos.

Best,
Eugene


From: Monica Hall [mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

Please do - that would be helpful!
Monica

- Original Message -
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


 Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the
 exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he
 certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in early
 instruments.

 Best,
 Eugene


 -Original Message-
 From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
 To: Braig, Eugene
 Cc: Vihuelalist
 Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

 That's helpful.  I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces
 by
 Murcia in 1979to .   He and James Tyler play baroque instruments but
 Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar.  I am sure there must be
 more.

 Monica

 - Original Message -
 From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
 To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM
 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their
activity for years.  I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . .
or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist.

 Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of:
 - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977);
 - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca:
 1978); and
 - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985).

 I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately
 on hand in the day-job office.

 Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might
 want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the
 summit
 list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher,
 Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev.

 Luck,
 Eugene




 -Original Message-
 From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
 Behalf Of Monica Hall
 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM
 To: Azalais
 Cc: Vihuelalist
 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

 I have Lorimer's facsimile.   What I am really trying to find out is
 whether
 there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also
 whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published before
 that date.   The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's
 facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became
 flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself did
 dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich refers
 to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974.

 Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the
 Guitar-Summit
 list.   I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards
 the
 classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer
 this query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque
 guitar.
 But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any
 response.  Perhaps it is now defunct.

 Regards to all

 Monica

 - Original Message -   From: Azalais
 To: Monica Hall
 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM
 Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


 Hello Monica,


 Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references leads
 me to believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's book
 and its bibliography.


 If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it.


 Thank you for the research!  I have always been a fan of De Murcia.


 Azalais



 To get on or off this list see list information at
 http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

[Monica Hall]

Many thanks for the information.   Most helpful.

Monica

- Original Message - 
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu

To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM
Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 baroque guitar by Jose 
Romanillos.


Best,
Eugene


From: Monica Hall [mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

Please do - that would be helpful!
Monica

- Original Message -
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2



Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check the
exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but he
certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in early
instruments.

Best,
Eugene


-Original Message-
From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
To: Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

That's helpful.  I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4 pieces
by
Murcia in 1979to .   He and James Tyler play baroque instruments but
Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar.  I am sure there must be
more.

Monica

- Original Message -
From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu
To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2



I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on their
activity for years.  I'm not certain where to find them any longer . . .
or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist.

Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware of:
- Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977);
- James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La Burlesca:
1978); and
- Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985).

I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have immediately
on hand in the day-job office.

Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you might
want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on the
summit
list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his teacher,
Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev.

Luck,
Eugene




-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf Of Monica Hall
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM
To: Azalais
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2

I have Lorimer's facsimile.   What I am really trying to find out is
whether
there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and also
whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were published before
that date.   The date 1987 is crucial because that is when Lorimer's
facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly became
flavour of the month big time.Several people including myself did
dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert Strizich refers
to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of 1974.

Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the
Guitar-Summit
list.   I sent my message to them because it is more orientated towards
the
classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could answer
this query which is more about classical guitar versions than baroque
guitar.
But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't had any
response.  Perhaps it is now defunct.

Regards to all

Monica

- Original Message -   From: Azalais
To: Monica Hall
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM
Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2


Hello Monica,


Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia references leads
me to believe that you must already have access to Michael Lorimer's book
and its bibliography.


If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it.


Thank you for the research!  I have always been a fan of De Murcia.


Azalais



To get on or off this list see list information at
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html