Re: DTMF Re: Drain Crawler

[Adam]

>Stripped down
> versions often came with answering machines for
> remote control, those were popular with hackers since
> with a little work they could do the same things
> as the more expensive DTMF dialers. :)

These "tone diallers" were/are also popular with what alot of people call
'hackers' as some types (most notoriously the Radio Shack ones) can be
re-crystalled and then used to defraud the coin tolling system used in
American payphones. Such a modified device is called a "red box".

Unfortunately, the 'bot doesn't respond to DTMF tones, rather it responds to
single and compund tones in the 1000-2800Hz range. If I can find a tone
generation util, I'll try it, otherwise I'll just have to substitute my PC's
Creative AWE-32.

Also, IIRC, HyperCard 1.(something) could also be used to dial a phone
number directly trough the modem. In this case you could hook up your rotary
phone (Geez, I'm 18 and I remember these) and your Plus' modem in series and
enjoy Mac controlled DTMF. Neat.

Cheers,
Adam.


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Re: DTMF Re: Drain Crawler

[Alex Allee]

on 8/7/01 1:42 AM, Adam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> These "tone diallers" were/are also popular with what alot of people call
> 'hackers' as some types (most notoriously the Radio Shack ones) can be
> re-crystalled and then used to defraud the coin tolling system used in
> American payphones. Such a modified device is called a "red box".

Weren't they called blue boxes? Or was that something else?

> Unfortunately, the 'bot doesn't respond to DTMF tones, rather it responds to
> single and compund tones in the 1000-2800Hz range. If I can find a tone
> generation util, I'll try it, otherwise I'll just have to substitute my PC's
> Creative AWE-32.

I remember in my BBS days, I used a DOS terminal program called Terminate.
In its preferences somewhere was a tone generator. I have no idea what it
was supposed to be for, but it could be set to the hertz, and played out the
otherwise worthless PC speaker. Was fun to bug the dogs next door with. :)

> rotary
> phone (Geez, I'm 18 and I remember these)

Don't worry about it, I'm 19 and *use* a rotary phone.

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Re: monitors Re: Awful?!!?

[J.S. Garrison]

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>From: Gregg Eshelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: monitors Re:
>Date: Sun, Aug 5, 2001, 5:08 PM
>

> --- the pickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> At 15:21 -0400 on 05/08/01, gary srygler wrote:
>>
>> >I have many Mac monitors.  I want to connect one to
>> a windoze box (Flame
>> >retardant suit on)
>> Good God.  Get rid of the 12 inchers.  They're awful
>> monitors.

'SCUSE ME?!!??

There's NOTHING awful about those little gems.

Their pictures are sharp and crisp, and there's nothing
else that looks quite as tidy sitting on top of the older-style
pizzabox than those little dudes...

Jeff

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Re: Mac vs PC Junk (was Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?)

[J.S. Garrison]

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>Subject: Re: Mac vs PC Junk (was Re: Outlook/Windows users on this list?)
>Date: Sun, Aug 5, 2001, 4:48 PM
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> At 15:16 -0700 on 03/08/01, Alex Allee wrote:

>>That is hardly cramming. :) Try 9.0.4 on a 7500/100 w/ 32MB of RAM and a 1GB
>>hard drive. *That* is cramming.
>
> No, cramming would be 8.5.1 on a Turbo 601 IIci with 16MB RAM and a 230MB
> HD... :-p
> (to get this back on topic...)
>
> p


I'm working in an elementary school that uses IIci's and some IIcx's
partnered with one newer iMac per classroom. We'd LOVE to be able to cram
8.5.1 on a group of turbo 601's packed neatly inside those dudes, if you're
offering.

Jeff

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Re: monitors Re: Awful?!!?

[Cameron Kaiser]

> >> Good God.  Get rid of the 12 inchers.  They're awful
> >> monitors.
> 
> 'SCUSE ME?!!??
> 
> There's NOTHING awful about those little gems.

Yeah, I quite like them too (and so does the IIsi).

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Re: DTMF Re: Drain Crawler

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Alex Allee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 8/7/01 1:42 AM, Adam at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> > rotary
> > phone (Geez, I'm 18 and I remember these)
> 
> Don't worry about it, I'm 19 and *use* a rotary
> phone.

Heh, I'm 30 and remember when there was ONE style
of phone available, supplied by "Ma Bell". They
had about 3 colors to choose from. They were rented,
not sold. Eventually, if you wanted, you could
buy your own phones, but they still had the same old
Ma Bell supplied innards. Finally the companies
that wanted to make their own complete phones got
the government to make the telcos allow equipment
not supplied by them to be connected to the phone
system. Of course that all happened in the 1970's
before you were born. ;) When that change happened,
magazines like Popular Science ran articles on all
the neat custom phones you could now buy.

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Re: monitors Re: Awful?!!?

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- "J.S. Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> --
> >From: Gregg Eshelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Vintage
> Macs)
> >Subject: monitors Re:
> >Date: Sun, Aug 5, 2001, 5:08 PM
> >
> 
> > --- the pickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> At 15:21 -0400 on 05/08/01, gary srygler wrote:
> >>
> >> >I have many Mac monitors.  I want to connect one
> to
> >> a windoze box (Flame
> >> >retardant suit on)
> >> Good God.  Get rid of the 12 inchers.  They're
> awful
> >> monitors.
> 
> 'SCUSE ME?!!??
> 
> There's NOTHING awful about those little gems.
> 
> Their pictures are sharp and crisp, and there's
> nothing
> else that looks quite as tidy sitting on top of the
> older-style
> pizzabox than those little dudes...

Hack them all to do 640x480! :)

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Re: DTMF Re: Drain Crawler

[Jim]

And *none* of them are as robust as the Western Electric phones.  Some improvement.

Jim

Gregg Eshelman wrote:
> 
> 
> Heh, I'm 30 and remember when there was ONE style
> of phone available, supplied by "Ma Bell". They
> had about 3 colors to choose from. They were rented,
> not sold. Eventually, if you wanted, you could
> buy your own phones, but they still had the same old
> Ma Bell supplied innards. Finally the companies
> that wanted to make their own complete phones got
> the government to make the telcos allow equipment
> not supplied by them to be connected to the phone
> system. Of course that all happened in the 1970's
> before you were born. ;) When that change happened,
> magazines like Popular Science ran articles on all
> the neat custom phones you could now buy.

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Re: DTMF Re: Drain Crawler

[Amber Rhea]

on 8/7/01 3:00 PM, (Vintage Macs) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Heh, I'm 30 and remember when there was ONE style
> of phone available, supplied by "Ma Bell". They
> had about 3 colors to choose from. They were rented,
> not sold. Eventually, if you wanted, you could
> buy your own phones, but they still had the same old
> Ma Bell supplied innards. Finally the companies
> that wanted to make their own complete phones got
> the government to make the telcos allow equipment
> not supplied by them to be connected to the phone
> system. Of course that all happened in the 1970's
> before you were born. ;) When that change happened,
> magazines like Popular Science ran articles on all
> the neat custom phones you could now buy.

Up until about a week or so ago, my grandmother (who is 76) was STILL
renting her phone! I didn't even know that was still possible! And I was
kind of pissed off to hear that the phone company would have the audacity to
continue charging her for it - she's been renting the thing since the 60's,
for godsake! I think they were just taking advantage of a little old lady.
But anyway, she finally got a new phone (which she bought, but still had to
have a man from the phone company come install, because her house has all
the old-style wiring and jacks) a few days ago, after her 30+ year old one
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Re: DTMF Re: Drain Crawler

[Gary Adams]

I think anytime a company fails to notify people about things they should
have to refund the money back to when the law was passed plus interest. If
things like that happened they would get more ethical and honest. Its like
MicroJunk upgrades before they almost drove Word Perfect and  others out of
business they had reasonable upgrades and now their new "Open License" scam
will drive it up even higher- When will people learn to just dump the
gougers and go with Apple and the software companies that have supported
them all these years, Including Myself a sad and Frustrated forced
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Up until about a week or so ago, my grandmother (who is 76) was STILL
renting her phone! I didn't even know that was still possible! And I was
kind of pissed off to hear that the phone company would have the audacity to
continue charging her for it - she's been renting the thing since the 60's,
for godsake! I think they were just taking advantage of a little old lady.
But anyway, she finally got a new phone (which she bought, but still had to
have a man from the phone company come install, because her house has all
the old-style wiring and jacks) a few days ago, after her 30+ year old one
went kaput.




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Re: DTMF Re: Drain Crawler

[Steve Moody]

At 2:54 PM -0700 8/7/01, Gary Adams wrote:
>I think anytime a company fails to notify people about things they should
>have to refund the money back to when the law was passed plus interest. If
>things like that happened they would get more ethical and honest. Its like

   The Bell companies notified their customers of the option to buy 
phones rather than rent.  If someone choices to continue renting the 
phone, why should they refused the profit?
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Boxen (was Re: DTMF Re: Drain Crawler)

[the pickle]

At 02:15 -0700 on 07/08/01, Alex Allee wrote:

>on 8/7/01 1:42 AM, Adam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> These "tone diallers" were/are also popular with what alot of people call
>> 'hackers' as some types (most notoriously the Radio Shack ones) can be
>> re-crystalled and then used to defraud the coin tolling system used in
>> American payphones. Such a modified device is called a "red box".
>
>Weren't they called blue boxes? Or was that something else?

Ah, boxen.  I have a beige box (aka lineman's handset) here at home that I
built myself.  I read a bunch about the other colours of boxen but never
really did much with them.  The Whacked Mac archives used to have a load of
.txts about boxen, how to build each one, and what they all did.

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Re: monitors Re: Awful?!!?

[the pickle]

At 09:35 -0700 on 07/08/01, Gregg Eshelman wrote:

>> >> Good God.  Get rid of the 12 inchers.  They're
>> awful
>> >> monitors.
>>
>> 'SCUSE ME?!!??
>>
>> There's NOTHING awful about those little gems.
>>
>> Their pictures are sharp and crisp, and there's
>> nothing
>> else that looks quite as tidy sitting on top of the
>> older-style
>> pizzabox than those little dudes...
>
>Hack them all to do 640x480! :)

That's a lot more trouble than you might expect from the description on
Cozy's site...

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Re: Claris Resolve

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> Can't help there but what's Claris Resolve?

A spreadsheet like MS Excel or Sum-It, that runs extremely well on old
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Re: monitors Re: Awful?!!?

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- the pickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 09:35 -0700 on 07/08/01, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
> 
> >> >> Good God.  Get rid of the 12 inchers.  They're
> >> awful
> >> >> monitors.
> >>
> >> 'SCUSE ME?!!??
> >>
> >> There's NOTHING awful about those little gems.
> >>
> >> Their pictures are sharp and crisp, and there's
> >> nothing
> >> else that looks quite as tidy sitting on top of
> the
> >> older-style
> >> pizzabox than those little dudes...
> >
> >Hack them all to do 640x480! :)
> 
> That's a lot more trouble than you might expect from
> the description on
> Cozy's site...

Which is why I haven't tackled the upgrade on my
12" monitor yet. Someone brave needs to do it then
make a website with a lot more details of the hack. :)

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Re: DTMF Re: Drain Crawler

[Kyle Hansen]

Amber Rhea wrote:

> Up until about a week or so ago, my grandmother (who is 76) was STILL
> renting her phone! I didn't even know that was still possible! And I was
> kind of pissed off to hear that the phone company would have the audacity to
> continue charging her for it - she's been renting the thing since the 60's,
> for godsake! I think they were just taking advantage of a little old lady.

Dude!  That's s weak.   That is Criminal.

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Re: monitors Re: Awful?!!?

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At 15:53 -0700 on 07/08/01, Gregg Eshelman wrote:

>Which is why I haven't tackled the upgrade on my
>12" monitor yet. Someone brave needs to do it then
>make a website with a lot more details of the hack. :)

The hard part is re-wiring the plug.  Doing the mod inside the monitor
itself is simple and sufficiently detailed already.

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Re: DTMF Re: Drain Crawler

[Rick King]

Now I feel terribly old.  At 38, I think back on 18.  I just can't conceive of being 
18 anymore.  I have socks that are that oldhehehehe I remember having that 
wonderful old Western Electric rotary dial phone when I was growing up.  I also 
remember having a black and white tv.  Kids today have it so easy.color tv, 
computers, satellite.when I was a kid we didn't even have calculators  and we 
walked 5 miles to school every dayuphill both ways.
God Bless,
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OT: Showing Your Age

[Randy Beaudreault]

>Heh, I'm 30 and remember when there was ONE style
>of phone available, supplied by "Ma Bell". They
>had about 3 colors to choose from. They were rented,
>not sold. Eventually, if you wanted, you could
>buy your own phones, but they still had the same old
>Ma Bell supplied innards. Finally the companies
>that wanted to make their own complete phones got
>the government to make the telcos allow equipment
>not supplied by them to be connected to the phone
>system. Of course that all happened in the 1970's
>before you were born. ;) When that change happened,
>magazines like Popular Science ran articles on all
>the neat custom phones you could now buy.

Showing you age there. :)  Of course I show my age, 32, when I 
remember going to Safeway and checking your TV's tubes in the tube 
checker.  The 70s what an interesting decade, Vietnam, disco, Jimmy 
Carter, and the change in TVs from black and white to color and from 
tubes to solid state.   My era is the Reagan era, the 80s, home to 
parachute pants and the CD.  Nope, nostaglia doesn't work for me. lol
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Re: DTMF Re: Drain Crawler

[Robert Poland]

>Now I feel terribly old.  At 38, I think back on 18.  I just can't 
>conceive of being 18 anymore.  I have socks that are that 
>oldhehehehe I remember having that wonderful old Western 
>Electric rotary dial phone when I was growing up.  I also remember 
>having a black and white tv.  Kids today have it so easy.color 
>tv, computers, satellite.when I was a kid we didn't even have 
>calculators  and we walked 5 miles to school every dayuphill 
>both ways.
>God Bless,
>Rick

As a dear friend used to say, "Poor Baby".

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Quicken on a Mac

[Wllms88]

I'm late getting to the digest so if this has been answered I'm sorry. I use 
Quicken on a IIcx and a IIsi with no problems. However; I use an older 
version. It works very well for myself. I got it off a Performa CD on E bay 
for a buck.

Have a good day all.
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what they may. They must be prepared to go on with the work even if it means 
losing the love of the unrepentant, cold part of the church. The minister 
must e perepared to be driven away from his place, if God wills. He must be 
determined to go forward and leave the entire event with God". Chareles 
Finney"

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Re: DTMF Re: Drain Crawler

[KADaggett]

My Reply follows quote. On 07/08/2001 17:30 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rick King)
>Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Reply-to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Now I feel terribly old.  At 38, I think back on 18.  I just can't 
>conceive of being 18 anymore.  I have socks that are that 
>oldhehehehe I remember having that wonderful old Western Electric 
>rotary dial phone when I was growing up.  I also remember having a black 
>and white tv.  Kids today have it so easy.color tv, computers, 
>satellite.when I was a kid we didn't even have calculators  and we 
>walked 5 miles to school every dayuphill both ways.
>God Bless,
>Rick
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OK, how about a hand cranked battery powered phone with which you 
contacted "Central" to get a line out of the neighborhood? Yeah, in the 
'50s in rural Oregon.

Now I sit here playing with a 4 machine home network (6100s, 6300s and a 
'doze box) with a DSL line. Oh the times, they are a changin'.

Ken Daggett



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Re: DTMF Re: Drain Crawler

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Rick King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Now I feel terribly old.  At 38, I think back on 18.
>  I just can't conceive of being 18 anymore.  I have
> socks that are that oldhehehehe I remember
> having that wonderful old Western Electric rotary
> dial phone when I was growing up.  I also remember
> having a black and white tv.  Kids today have it so
> easy.color tv, computers, satellite.when I
> was a kid we didn't even have calculators  and
> we walked 5 miles to school every dayuphill both
> ways.

I had a 10" black and white TV for years. My family
had two calculators, one with a green vacuum
fluorescent display that used two AA bateries and
one with a red LED display that used 4 AA batteries.
They cost almost $100 each in the late 70's.
The neat bit is they're real easy to use in the dark.
(Yes, they're small enough to hold in one hand.)
Matter of fact my folks still have them and they
still work perfectly! Let's see how many of today's
calculators are still going in 25 years. ;)

I rode the bus to school, and it was uphill both
ways. Of course my house was at the top of
one hill and the school was at the top of another
about 2.5 miles away. ;)

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Re: OT: Showing Your Age

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Randy Beaudreault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Showing you age there. :)  Of course I show my age,
> 32, when I 
> remember going to Safeway and checking your TV's
> tubes in the tube 
> checker.  The 70s what an interesting decade,
> Vietnam, disco, Jimmy 
> Carter, and the change in TVs from black and white
> to color and from 
> tubes to solid state.   My era is the Reagan era,
> the 80s, home to 
> parachute pants and the CD.  Nope, nostaglia doesn't
> work for me. lol

Oh yeah, that was fun. Helping dad pull tubes out
of the old console color TV and taking them all
down to the hardware store to see which ones were
bad or "iffy". A television used to be considered
a piece of furniture by itself, usually in a fine
furniture grade varnished wood cabinet with folding,
sliding or tambour doors. My dad liked theirs so
much he gutted the two identical cabinets, sawed
the legs off one, stacked them and put a new
"plastic fantastic" 25" stereo TV in the top one
with the VCR and satellite boxes in the bottom.

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the rest of the planets?" Bernard de Fontenelle, 1686
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