Re: DayStar IIsi adapter

[JakeCatfox]

I suspected as much. That certainly bites. Anyway. Does anyone know of a 
place that is selling a PowerPC upgrade card for the IIci (PDS) and/or a 
MicroMac Speedy?

Thx,
Deven


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<< --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 > Wow, where'd you get that? I wonder how it would run
 > with two 040 Cards.
 
 It won't. The top slot is still the IIsi type and
 would fry any IIci card like a Turbo 040 or 601. >>

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Re: Attention: Need An Owner of A Performa 600 To Step Forward

[JakeCatfox]

Search Google for motherboard photos. I think I found a mobo photo on 
Micromac.com.

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<< I wrote down all the details from off the chips on the motherboard
 of my IIvm. Any lister who owns a Performa 600?
 
 I need to compare chip-info with you.
 
 
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  >>

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Bye everyone

[PsycoPunkn]

I ship off to the Navy tomorrow morning, leaving home tonight.  Im 
getting off all the lists so I dont have thousands of E-Mails when I come 
back.  The lists have been a pleasant and informative experience for me.  
Maybe Ill be back in a few years.

Thanks for everything

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About a RAM selling company

[François Delcoux]

Hello, everyone!

I would like to know your advice about Coast-to-Coast MEMORY
(18004-Memory).
Are they clean and serious?

>From Belgium, I cannot manage to call them in order to know the price of
a 64MB kit of IIfxRAM (ref.  S30N016IIFX-4).
Could a kind someone call them for me (if that company is trustworthy!)?

Thanks in advance, folks!
Franz


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MicroMac Speedy

[JakeCatfox]

Does anyone know where I can find a MicroMac speedy? MicroMac wants $50 for one, but 
that's absurd! I can get an ACCELERATOR that will yield better beformance for that 
price. I reason I want one is that I want to try overclocking the 040 on my Turbo 040 
card from 40mhz to 48mhz or higher. Does anyone know if this works? I read "attempts 
to ground pin one and feed in a new signal failed" in overclocking the Turbo 
i040-33mhz board, but this didn't use a Speedy.

Thanks a lot,
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MicroMac Speedy

[JakeCatfox]

Does anyone know where I can find a MicroMac speedy? MicroMac wants $50 for one, but 
that's absurd! I can get an ACCELERATOR that will yield better beformance for that 
price. I reason I want one is that I want to try overclocking the 040 on my Turbo 040 
card from 40mhz to 48mhz or higher. Does anyone know if this works? I read "attempts 
to ground pin one and feed in a new signal failed" in overclocking the Turbo 
i040-33mhz board, but this didn't use a Speedy.

Thanks a lot,
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Re: MicroMac Speedy

[Marten van de Kraats]

>Does anyone know where I can find a MicroMac speedy? MicroMac wants $50
>for one, but that's absurd! I can get an ACCELERATOR that will yield
>better beformance for that price. I reason I want one is that I want to
>try overclocking the 040 on my Turbo 040 card from 40mhz to 48mhz or
>higher. Does anyone know if this works? I read "attempts to ground pin one
>and feed in a new signal failed" in overclocking the Turbo i040-33mhz
>board, but this didn't use a Speedy.
>

you can get a powermac for that price. Why bother then?

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LC 575 Mobo diagram?

[D.L. Miller]

On Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:44:05 -0400
the pickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> replied to:
D.L. Miller question:
> >"Presenter 575 for the Mac LC 575. Is this to allow a external monitor?
> >The cable attached to it is 14 pins, about 1 to 1.25 inches long.
With this:
> Yep, allows for video mirroring on an external display IIRC..
D. Miller also asked:
> >Also, the first two ( they look the same) simms to left of battery are
> >Ram simms I suppose and the longer one on left edge is VRam? No L2 Cache
and p answered 
> The two are VRAM; the one longer one is RAM.
silly me, I figured that out when I got home and took the 8mb simm out
and replaced it with a 16mb simm I had in an old LCIII (chipped to a +)

Pickle (capitalized) this time) thanks for the help and quick reply.

also from Pickle:
 
> >Basically, he's saying, if you want to spend the money to do that for a
> >lark, go ahead; it's your money. But you're a nut. In a lovable, Macaddict,
> >kind of way :)
> 
> Right :) 
> p  
Got me pegged there right enough. But, I am not going to spend nearly
$200 for a upgrade of debatable performance. Just thought if somehow,
the price had dramatically dropped, it might be worth it, but not, IMHO
worth spend over $100.

One thing, when you (pickle) said:
>You can buy a 6500 or 5500 mobo for about $50 or so these days. you
aren;t implying they will easily fit into a CC, are you?

Thanks for all the comments listariuans(?).
Doug the insane, lovable, Macaddict in Ohio.

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Re: About a RAM selling company

[STEFAN DAEHLER]

Unfortunately, I can't tell you wether this company is worth its salt, 
but I can recommend you the product I purchased about one and a half year 
ago. I got the 64 MB-kit for my IIfx from Kingston and it's working much 
to my satisfaction. They have a site in German< as well as in France.



Hope this may be of help to you

Steff


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Re: MicroMac Speedy

[STEFAN DAEHLER]

if you give me your address, you can get mine (for metal-housing 
oscillators). I bought it about three months back for my IIfx, however, 
for a lasting clock-up, I  didn't find this method too convincing.

Steff


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40MHz-oscillator in IIfx

[STEFAN DAEHLER]

Does anyone know about the exact function of the 40MHz-clock-oscillator 
on the motherboard of Mac IIfx?
I replaced both the CPU as well as the FPU by their 50 MHz-versions and 
put in a 100MHz-oscillator instead of the original 80MHz-one. Now, I 
wonder wether the 40MHz-one should also be replaced by one running at 
50MHz.

Any advice will be most welcome.  Steff

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Re: About a RAM selling company

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- François Delcoux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello, everyone!
> 
> I would like to know your advice about
> Coast-to-Coast MEMORY
> (18004-Memory).
> Are they clean and serious?
> 
> From Belgium, I cannot manage to call them in order
> to know the price of
> a 64MB kit of IIfxRAM (ref.  S30N016IIFX-4).
> Could a kind someone call them for me (if that
> company is trustworthy!)?

I haven't had any problem with them, don't know if
they ship outside of the USA or North America.

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Re: 40MHz-oscillator in IIfx

[JakeCatfox]

Well, if the IIfx is anything like the IIsi in terms of Oscillator layout, I'd say 
that oscillator is probably in charge of some subsystem on the motherboard. Perhaps 
video, as sound does not require a 40mhz oscillator. It's obviously not for the 
processor, though.

-- Deven "Oscillators are Nifty" Gallo


Original Message
- - -

Does anyone know about the exact function of the 40MHz-clock-oscillator 
on the motherboard of Mac IIfx?
I replaced both the CPU as well as the FPU by their 50 MHz-versions and 
put in a 100MHz-oscillator instead of the original 80MHz-one. Now, I 
wonder wether the 40MHz-one should also be replaced by one running at 
50MHz.

Any advice will be most welcome.  Steff


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Re: MicroMac Speedy

[Gene Osburn]

> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:34:27 EDT
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: MicroMac Speedy
> 
Does anyone know where I can find a MicroMac speedy? MicroMac wants $50
for one, but that's absurd! I can get an ACCELERATOR that will yield
better beformance for that price. I reason I want one is that I want to
try overclocking the 040 on my Turbo 040 card from 40mhz to 48mhz or
higher. Does anyone know if this works? I read "attempts to ground pin
one and feed in a new signal failed" in overclocking the Turbo
i040-33mhz board, but this didn't use a Speedy.

I had to lurk on ebay for quite a while to find one.  Luckily, I wound
up with the complete package in original box.  The Speedy attaches to
the CPU oscillator on the mobo, so I don't see how you could use it to
accelerate the 040 card itself...?

BTW, it easily ran my IIsi at 30 MHz+ (31.5 or 32.5 top speed, can't
remember which), but I didn't try using the serial ports.  Does anyone
here have any direct experience (no hearsay, please) successfully using
serial ports on accelerated IIsi...?

-- 
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Re: DayStar IIsi adapter

[Gene Osburn]

> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 21:32:18 -0400
> Subject: Re: DayStar IIsi adapter
> From: Amber Rhea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> I just mailed one of these to Will Ahearn! One's a PDS and one's a cache,
> but I don't have a good enough mental picture of the thing to remember which
> is which. AFAIK the PDS slot isn't restricted only to Daystar-brand
> upgrades.

Hey, Will!
Lemme know which cards you successfully try in that top slot, OK?  And
Amber, which cards did you use in it when you had it?  Anyone else use
one of these adapters in IIsi?...what card did you use in top slot?

BTW, I already tried Apple IIci cache in the top slot with no ill
effects - IIsi just wouldn't boot.

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Re: DayStar IIsi adapter

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Gene Osburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 21:32:18 -0400
> > Subject: Re: DayStar IIsi adapter
> > From: Amber Rhea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > I just mailed one of these to Will Ahearn! One's a
> PDS and one's a cache,
> > but I don't have a good enough mental picture of
> the thing to remember which
> > is which. AFAIK the PDS slot isn't restricted only
> to Daystar-brand
> > upgrades.
> 
> Hey, Will!
> Lemme know which cards you successfully try in that
> top slot, OK?  And
> Amber, which cards did you use in it when you had
> it?  Anyone else use
> one of these adapters in IIsi?...what card did you
> use in top slot?
> 
> BTW, I already tried Apple IIci cache in the top
> slot with no ill
> effects - IIsi just wouldn't boot.

All of you who've put IIci PDS/Cache cards into a IIsi
PDS are just plain LUCKY. ;)

Somewhere I have an 030 PowerCache manual with the
info on the various Mac adapters DayStar made and the
installation instructions. For the IIsi they made a
IIsi/IIci two slot combo adaptor, a NuBus/IIci one,
a one slot IIci adaptor and a "shortie" straight
through IIci adaptor for use with IIsi cards
that absolutely had to be plugged directly into
the IIsi connector and had a PDS passthrough. At the
time the manual was written there was only one card
that needed the shortie, some Radius video card.

The manual says absolutely never ever ever ever
plug an 030 PowerCache directly into the IIsi.
So I'll say it again. If you've plugged ANY IIci
card directly into a IIsi and came away with no
damage to card or IIsi you are LUCKY. :)

(Same goes for people who willy-nilly insert and
remove cards in a Quadra 900/950 with the power
cord plugged in!)

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Performa 460

[Alan Brennecke]

Hello all,

I'm new to this list, so please bare with me. We have a Performa 460 that I
am trying to get into reasonably good running order. My wife works in the
Los Angeles Unified School district and we want to donate this computer with
it's trusty StyleWriter, and 33.6 Global Village modem to a poor, but
serious and deserving student at her middle school.

I am researching what I can do to make this a better machine, without
spending any serious money. Many years ago, I installed a 500 m hard drive
and additional RAM bringing it all the way up to 12 megs (wow!). The system
is still the original one, 7.1P6. We are still looking for backup disks as I
don't believe that this shipped with system disks. I do have an ancient SCSI
CD drive that I have yet to test with it.

Several questions present themselves right off the bat:

1.) Is there a better system for this machine, and where would I get it?

2.) If I stay with this I am getting a dialog about an Apple Share error at
startup and can't seem to correct it, any ideas?

3.) If anybody has any suggestions for me in this endeavor, I would
appreciate it.

Alan Brennecke


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Re: Performa 460

[Steve Moody]

At 12:14 PM -0700 9/10/01, Alan Brennecke wrote:
>I'm new to this list, so please bare with me. We have a Performa 460 that I

   Thanks for the invitation, but I'd rather bear with you.  ;-)

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Re: Performa 460

[Alan Brennecke]

Oops.

On 9/10/01 12:19 PM, "Steve Moody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Thanks for the invitation, but I'd rather bear with you.  ;-)


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Re: Performa 460

[Steve Moody]

   Sometimes, typos can give quite a good giggle.

At 12:53 PM -0700 9/10/01, Alan Brennecke wrote:
>Oops.
>
>On 9/10/01 12:19 PM, "Steve Moody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>   Thanks for the invitation, but I'd rather bear with you.  ;-)


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Re: Performa 460

[Marten van de Kraats]

>
>
>Several questions present themselves right off the bat:
>
>1.) Is there a better system for this machine, and where would I get it?

7.1 is definitely the fastest on your machine, but you could also run 
7.5.3 or 7.5.5 without any problem. 7.5.3 is freely available on 
ftp.apple.com and provides you with  superiour networking software 
(Open Transport) than can also be installed on 7.1 seperately. 
Personally I would stick with 7.1, but there are people that for some 
mysterious reason install 7.5.5 on every single hard disk they 
encounter.

>
>2.) If I stay with this I am getting a dialog about an Apple Share error at
>startup and can't seem to correct it, any ideas?

Open system folder, open preferences folder, trash appleshare prep. restart.


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Help with IIsi RAM.

[A.Tuazon]

Hi, I'm installing four 16MB 30-pin SIMMs into a IIsi (not mine) and it
doesn't seem to be working.  When I boot up the Mac the screen just remains
blank and then I get this short melodic tune but that's it.  I noticed that
this tune also occurs if RAM is missing from the 4 slots.  Could the problem
be the RAM chips are damaged or is it possible that my friend got the wrong
kind of 30 pin SIMMs?  Does the IIsi take any type of 30 pin SIMMs or is
there a special type of 30 pin SIMMs for it?  I know it's not the computer
itself because we re-installed the old RAM and the computer booted up fine.

I hope someone can help.  Also is there a certain way to install the RAM
(besides the direction they're facing) ?

Thanks in advance.



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Re: Zenith EasyPC

[Dan Knight]

R.A. Cantrell writes:

>Is there any affinity between a 512k Mac and the Zenith
>Easy PC (512K)?

Other than the time period, amount of base memory, and inclusion of a b&w 
display, no. The EaZyPC was a clever entry-level DOS computer. (I worked 
for the Zenith store in Virginia Beach, VA, when the EaZy PC came out. 
It's also where I got my start selling Macs)


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Re: MicroMac Speedy

[JakeCatfox]

I hear around certain speeds disk access to 800k floppies stops working 
entirely. Later, all disk access is killed off. Dunno about serial ports 
though. I would chip the 040 card by hooking the Speedy to the oscillator on 
the card. Hopefully that will do the trick.


In a message dated 9/10/01 2:06:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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<< I had to lurk on ebay for quite a while to find one.  Luckily, I wound
 up with the complete package in original box.  The Speedy attaches to
 the CPU oscillator on the mobo, so I don't see how you could use it to
 accelerate the 040 card itself...?
 
 BTW, it easily ran my IIsi at 30 MHz+ (31.5 or 32.5 top speed, can't
 remember which), but I didn't try using the serial ports.  Does anyone
 here have any direct experience (no hearsay, please) successfully using
 serial ports on accelerated IIsi...? >>

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Re: Zenith EasyPC

[R.A. Cantrell]

on 9/10/01 4:48 PM, Dan Knight at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Mom,
Thanks for the response.  I got this little box for nuthin, but
I want to try to make it go quack, or squeall when I poke it.  Or do
sumpthin.  I just goes---O.K.--,  I guess I need some woftware on low
density floppies as it has no  HD and two floppy drives.  Will it run MS
dos?  If so is there a version of DOS that will live and run on the floppy?
I would like to make it do something more than say it is ready to do
something, which is what I suspect it will do if I get Dos running in it .
Any and all advice welcomed, even the sarcastic.
> R.A. Cantrell writes:
> 
>> Is there any affinity between a 512k Mac and the Zenith
>> Easy PC (512K)?
> 
> Other than the time period, amount of base memory, and inclusion of a b&w
> display, no. The EaZyPC was a clever entry-level DOS computer. (I worked
> for the Zenith store in Virginia Beach, VA, when the EaZy PC came out.
> It's also where I got my start selling Macs)
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Re: Performa 575, system 7.1 or 8.1 ?

[the pickle]

At 16:15 -0700 on 09/09/01, Gregg Eshelman wrote:

>If you have the DayStar 601 upgrade you can disable
>the RAM check and speed up bootup. Or you can
>install Mac OS 8.6 and use it's Memory control panel
>to disable it. Any chance the 8.5/8.6 Memory CP will
>work with Mac OS 8.1?

Dunno, but...

even with RAM checks on, that's hardly any of the boot time on a 36MB
machine.  Most of that time is the extensions loading, and 8.x (and 7.5.x)
has a lot more of them than 7.1 does, even with all the extras in 7.1...

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Re: DayStar IIsi adapter

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At 20:29 -0400 on 09/09/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Wow, where'd you get that? I wonder how it would run with two 040 Cards.

Like someone said, it won't.  Don't try it.

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Re: DayStar IIsi adapter

[the pickle]

At 20:33 -0400 on 09/09/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I doubt it will fry it. I was once sent an 030 PDS adapter, instead of the

Doubt it all you want but that doesn't make it any less true.

>Daystar 040 adapter I was TOLD I was getting. I plugged it into my IIsi, put
>my Turbo 040-33 card into the slot, and then booted it. There was a quick

That's NuBus, not 030 PDS, which is far different.

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Re: It Really IS a IIvm, pickle.....

[the pickle]

At 23:00 -0700 on 09/09/01, Alex Allee wrote:

>>Then explain why it returns the words, "Macintosh IIvm" in the About This
>>Macintosh window !!??!
>
>Well, I've got a P475 that thinks that it is a Q605. I did a Quadra
>install of 7.1, which may explain it.

Check your mobo for a jumper on J18.  That'll do it.

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Re: LC 575 Mobo diagram?

[the pickle]

At 10:54 -0400 on 10/09/01, D.L. Miller wrote:

>Pickle (capitalized) this time) thanks for the help and quick reply.

Oops...that's actually NOT capitalised, or not supposed to be :-p

>Got me pegged there right enough. But, I am not going to spend nearly
>$200 for a upgrade of debatable performance. Just thought if somehow,
>the price had dramatically dropped, it might be worth it, but not, IMHO
>worth spend over $100.

Uhm, yeah.  Whew.  I thought you had totally lost it there :)

>>You can buy a 6500 or 5500 mobo for about $50 or so these days. you
>aren;t implying they will easily fit into a CC, are you?

Yes, actually, I am.  As easily as any other PowerPC-based board of that
form factor will...

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Re: MicroMac Speedy

[the pickle]

At 09:34 -0400 on 10/09/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Does anyone know where I can find a MicroMac speedy? MicroMac wants $50
>for one, >but that's absurd! I can get an ACCELERATOR that will yield
>better beformance for that >price. I reason I want one is that I want to
>try overclocking the 040 on my Turbo 040 card >from 40mhz to 48mhz or
>higher. Does anyone know if this works? I read "attempts to >ground pin
>one and feed in a new signal failed" in overclocking the Turbo
>i040-33mhz >board, but this didn't use a Speedy.

1) the Turbo i040 is an LC, not a full 040.
2) Disabling the crystal and feeding in a new signal is NOT the most
reliable way to overclock.  If you're gonna do it, just stick a new crystal
in place of the old one.

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Re: MicroMac Speedy

[the pickle]

At 11:07 -0700 on 10/09/01, Gene Osburn wrote:

>I had to lurk on ebay for quite a while to find one.  Luckily, I wound
>up with the complete package in original box.  The Speedy attaches to
>the CPU oscillator on the mobo, so I don't see how you could use it to
>accelerate the 040 card itself...?

The 040 card has its own crystal oscillator onboard.

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Re: Help with IIsi RAM.

[the pickle]

At 16:56 -0400 on 10/09/01, A.Tuazon wrote:

>Hi, I'm installing four 16MB 30-pin SIMMs into a IIsi (not mine) and it
>doesn't seem to be working.  When I boot up the Mac the screen just remains
>blank and then I get this short melodic tune but that's it.  I noticed that
>this tune also occurs if RAM is missing from the 4 slots.  Could the problem
>be the RAM chips are damaged or is it possible that my friend got the wrong
>kind of 30 pin SIMMs?  Does the IIsi take any type of 30 pin SIMMs or is
>there a special type of 30 pin SIMMs for it?  I know it's not the computer

Pretty much anything except composite SIMMs will be fine.

>I hope someone can help.  Also is there a certain way to install the RAM
>(besides the direction they're facing) ?

Are you sure they're identical SIMMs (identical in size, that is, and 80 ns
or faster)?

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Welcome to Foster Farms!

[Alex Allee]

Found what was apparently an LCIII in a dumpster (sort of) today. I
saw the guy throw it in, so I went after it. :P

I opened it up to see what treasures were inside. Turns out it is an
LCII with an LCIII lid. It's a very odd LCII though.

First of all, it's got an FPU socket where the solder pads normally are.

On each of the four ROM chips, there is a sticker that reads:

Foster Farms ROM
1.0F2 01/29/92
HH 99C583
Apple Confidential
©Apple 1983-92

In the top left of the board where it normally says "Macintosh LCII"
it says "Foster Farms"

On the bottom of the case where the label should be, there is an
orange sticker that says:

"This device has not been approved by the Federal Communications
Commision. [sic] This is not, and may not be, offered for sale or
lease, or sold or leased until the approval of the FCC has been
obtained."

Also, the fan looks nonstandard, but I could be wrong about that.

I haven't tried booting it up yet. It's got an 80MB HD, but no floppy.

What the hell is this thing?

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Re: Welcome to Foster Farms!

[the pickle]

At 20:06 -0700 on 10/09/01, Alex Allee wrote:

>Found what was apparently an LCIII in a dumpster (sort of) today. I
>saw the guy throw it in, so I went after it. :P
>
>I opened it up to see what treasures were inside. Turns out it is an
>LCII with an LCIII lid. It's a very odd LCII though.
>
>First of all, it's got an FPU socket where the solder pads normally are.

Apple probably did this to make things easier for testing and then dropped
it once they finalised the design.  It's easy enough to add one back in
later if you have a normal LC II, so it's absolutely trivial to add one in
the factory.

>On each of the four ROM chips, there is a sticker that reads:
>
>Foster Farms ROM
>1.0F2 01/29/92

Final Release Candidate 2 of the LC II ROMs.

>HH 99C583
>Apple Confidential
>©Apple 1983-92

Apple developer prototype.

>In the top left of the board where it normally says "Macintosh LCII"
>it says "Foster Farms"

Probably a code name for the LC II project.

>On the bottom of the case where the label should be, there is an
>orange sticker that says:
>
>"This device has not been approved by the Federal Communications
>Commision. [sic] This is not, and may not be, offered for sale or
>lease, or sold or leased until the approval of the FCC has been
>obtained."

Also typical of a prototype.

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Re: Bye everyone

[Jeff Garrison]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Vintage Macs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, September 10, 2001 4:32 AM
Subject: Bye everyone


>I ship off to the Navy tomorrow morning, leaving home tonight.  Im 
>getting off all the lists so I dont have thousands of E-Mails when I come 
>back.  The lists have been a pleasant and informative experience for me.  
>Maybe Ill be back in a few years.
>
>Thanks for everything
>
>Chris Placzek
>


It's been a real pleasure, Chris.

Good luck. Keep your head down and your eyes open.

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Re: Zenith EasyPC

[Gregg Eshelman]

Two URLs that may be helpful to scratch that itch
you may have to tinker with the genesis of the
"Dark Side". ;-)

http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/
(Check out the helpline.)

and

http://www.oldskool.org

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which is fruitful to an excess here, be so very barren in
the rest of the planets?" Bernard de Fontenelle, 1686
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Re: OT: this is funny. :)

[Jeff Garrison]

-Original Message-
From: Kyle Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Vintage Macs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, September 09, 2001 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: OT: this is funny. :)


>
>
>Gregg Eshelman wrote:
>
>> http://www.450productions.com/url/evilzug/workit/index.html
>>
>> And yes, it's clean. ;)



I believe this to be a very ingenious creation. My son and I both like this
one..

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Re: Welcome to Foster Farms!

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Alex Allee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Found what was apparently an LCIII in a dumpster
> (sort of) today. I



> What the hell is this thing?

Coolness! Sound like you found a pre-release
developer's version LCII which for some reason
has had the lid replaced with an LCIII lid. :)

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Re: Bye everyone

[Gregg Eshelman]

Remember that NAVY stands for

Never
Again
Volunteer
Yourself

;-)

--- Jeff Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Vintage Macs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Monday, September 10, 2001 4:32 AM
> Subject: Bye everyone
> 
> 
> >I ship off to the Navy tomorrow morning,
> leaving home tonight.  Im 
> >getting off all the lists so I dont have thousands
> of E-Mails when I come 
> >back.  The lists have been a pleasant and
> informative experience for me.  
> >Maybe Ill be back in a few years.
> >
> >Thanks for everything
> >
> >Chris Placzek
> >
> 
> 
> It's been a real pleasure, Chris.
> 
> Good luck. Keep your head down and your eyes open.
> 
> Jeff


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Re: OT: this is funny. :)

[Gregg Eshelman]

Someone told me it's a sort of tribute to the
"River City Ransom" game for the old 8bit
Nintendo.

--- Jeff Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kyle Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> >Gregg Eshelman wrote:

http://www.450productions.com/url/evilzug/workit/index.html
> >>
> >> And yes, it's clean. ;)

> I believe this to be a very ingenious creation. My
> son and I both like this
> one..
> 
> Jeff


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Re: Welcome to Foster Farms!

[Kyle Hansen]

Alex Allee wrote:

> Found what was apparently an LCIII in a dumpster (sort of) today. I
> saw the guy throw it in, so I went after it. :P
>
> I opened it up to see what treasures were inside. Turns out it is an
> LCII with an LCIII lid. It's a very odd LCII though.
>
> First of all, it's got an FPU socket where the solder pads normally are.
>
> On each of the four ROM chips, there is a sticker that reads:
>
> Foster Farms ROM
> 1.0F2 01/29/92
> HH 99C583
> Apple Confidential
> ©Apple 1983-92
>
> In the top left of the board where it normally says "Macintosh LCII"
> it says "Foster Farms"
>
> On the bottom of the case where the label should be, there is an
> orange sticker that says:
>
> "This device has not been approved by the Federal Communications
> Commision. [sic] This is not, and may not be, offered for sale or
> lease, or sold or leased until the approval of the FCC has been
> obtained."
>
> Also, the fan looks nonstandard, but I could be wrong about that.
>
> I haven't tried booting it up yet. It's got an 80MB HD, but no floppy.
>
> What the hell is this thing?

It's just a prototype.  I have the "Beirut Fix" 200MP prototype 9500 here as
well as the "SOMA 604."  It's amazing what you can find at a garage sale.

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Re: Welcome to Foster Farms!

[Alex Allee]

>Apple probably did this to make things easier for testing and then dropped
>it once they finalised the design.  It's easy enough to add one back in
>later if you have a normal LC II, so it's absolutely trivial to add one in
>the factory.

>Final Release Candidate 2 of the LC II ROMs.

>Apple developer prototype.

>Probably a code name for the LC II project.

Yeah, Foster Farms is the LCII codename.

>Also typical of a prototype.

That's what I suspected, but wow, how cool.

I'm really on a roll with the rare/odd stuff. (First the AE HD+, now 
this) What's next, White PowerBook 170? Clear 128k? Ok, probably not. 
:)

BTW, I tried booting it a minute ago. No go. Question mark. Oh well, 
I'll have to fiddle with it this weekend. Maybe the hard drive's full 
of top secret Apple stuff. :)

I am also struck with how clean the unit is. It is flawless. Not a 
speck of dust on the whole logic board. Not even any dust caked onto 
the fan. The only fingerprints that I can find on the aluminum 
sheeting is under where the floppy drive is supposed to be. (And 
those are probably mine)
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Re: DayStar IIsi adapter

[Gene Osburn]

> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:46:21 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gregg Eshelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: DayStar IIsi adapter
> 
> > BTW, I already tried Apple IIci cache in the top
> > slot with no ill
> > effects - IIsi just wouldn't boot.
> 
> All of you who've put IIci PDS/Cache cards into a IIsi
> PDS are just plain LUCKY. ;)
> 
> Somewhere I have an 030 PowerCache manual with the
> info on the various Mac adapters DayStar made and the
> installation instructions. For the IIsi they made a
> IIsi/IIci two slot combo adaptor, a NuBus/IIci one,
> a one slot IIci adaptor and a "shortie" straight
> through IIci adaptor for use with IIsi cards
> that absolutely had to be plugged directly into
> the IIsi connector and had a PDS passthrough. At the
> time the manual was written there was only one card
> that needed the shortie, some Radius video card.
> 
> The manual says absolutely never ever ever ever
> plug an 030 PowerCache directly into the IIsi.
> So I'll say it again. If you've plugged ANY IIci
> card directly into a IIsi and came away with no
> damage to card or IIsi you are LUCKY. :)

I didn't mention plugging a IIci card directly into a IIsi; I was asking
about using IIci cache cards (and other 030 PDS cards) in a IIsi via the
DayStar adapter.  The two slot adapter I have may be the "For the IIsi
they made a IIsi/IIci two slot combo adaptor" you mention...?
I wouldn't think of installing any card directly into the IIsi that
wasn't listed as compatible.  But I'm still confused by the "fry your
card and/or mobo" warnings as they relate to the DayStar two slot adapter

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