Re: *Not* moving to Google Groups?

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As long as your discussion doesn't contain discussion about things
like terrorism, bomb making, high-value government targets, culturing
anthrax, dirty bombs or other illegal activity you shouldn't have
anything to worry about. Go back to huddling in the corner by the door
with your shotgun, mumbling "they're out to get me".

(awaits call from the Department of Homeland Security)

On 1/31/06, lunar_dawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:50:49 -0600
> Dennis Myhand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Actually, for all the "paranoid goofs" out there, once you send an
> > e-mail, there is a copy of it on EVERY e-mail server it passes through.
> > That is how Mr. Gates was nailed in the anti-trust trial.  Well, before
> > the US Justice Department sold out, anyway.It isn't just "Once on
> > the web, always on the web."  There is always an electronic trail,
> > always has been, always will be.  But I think the resistance to Google
> > Groups is that there are people who do not want to deal with a web
> > interface, or who are not sure how this will impact something they have
> > become comfortable with, in the guise of this list.  I think it is more
> > a resistance to change, and not just this change.  Besides, Google is
> > good.  It's not a pod.  Go ahead, Jimmy, take one...Oh wait, wrong list.
> >
> > Samual Acorn wrote:
> >
> > >for all you paranoid goofs out there heres a bit more info on the
> > >supposed evil that is google each time a message is sent through
> > >this list; guess what... its stored in my -gmail- account...
> > >
>
>
> More for the paranoid:
>
> As usual it does no good to be paranoid; they *are* out to get us, resistance 
> is futile, yada yada yada, just make the best of it. The world has been going 
> to hell in a handbasket since long before any of us was born, and yet life 
> goes on. This move to Google Groups is pretty much a non-event and if you 
> feel very strongly about it you probably need to get out more.
> :)
>
> ld
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Re: 7100/80 with Sonnet Crescendo not working

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Do you have the correct version of the software for the card, and is
the card the correct one for your PowerMac?

On 1/8/06, Randall Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> I just aquired a Sonnet Crescendo Nubus G3 300 mHz/1mB L2 cache.
>
> I'm running system 7.5.1.  I've installed per the instructions, installed
> software, removed the L2 cache from the MB, plugged the G3 card into the PDS
> slot, etc.
>
> When I booted the mac, the Sonnet extension showed up but with an X through
> it. Ran Metronome, still says 80mHz. Tried several times, same thing.
>
> Zapped PRAM, froze up at extension loading point. Booted with ext off,
> disabled Sonnet extension, boots fine now but of course still reports 80mHz.
>
> Is there anything else I can try before I give up on this thing? It could be a
> dead card I suppose. There are several archived versions of the
> crescendo/encore software on Sonnets site. I "could" try earlier versions, but
> I'm hoping someone has had experience with this card.
>
> Any help appreciated,
> Randall
>
>
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Re: whats going on here??? is anybody else getting email from a 'rosemarie'??

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I haven't gotten the message yet... Perhaps the bot hasn't harvested
my address yet?

On 12/28/05, Manuel Marques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yep. I've got the message about 2-3 times... Someone using the company's
> e-mail server...
>
> Manuel Jorge M. Marques
>  _
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> -Original Message-
> From: Vintage Macs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mel
> Sent: quarta-feira, 28 de Dezembro de 2005 14:30
> To: Vintage Macs
> Subject: Re: whats going on here??? is anybody else getting email from a
> 'rosemarie'??
>
> I get the same message.
>
> --- Samual Acorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > whats wrong with this list? (or is on my end??)
> > anyone else out there
> > getting email from a 'rosmarie scordamaglia' saying
> > that the "email
> > message has been recieved. All email messages are
> > usuallly
> > responded to within 24 hours or less.  If you need
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Re: Fwd: Mac SE: to mod or not

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Cool idea, but I would still advise against using a healthy system for
this purpose.

On 12/24/05, Gregg Eshelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- Ron 'Hollywood' Parro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > > I rebuilt and parted literally hundreds of SEs and
> > SE 30s and I always
> > > wondered how they would look as an aquarium.
>
> What I've wanted to do for a long time is instead of
> making a
> tank to fit inside a compact Mac, make the mac itself
> the
> tank.
>
> Trim off all the now useless bits poking into the
> inside, glue
> in reinforcements if needed to keep the sides from
> bulging
> under the pressure, glue 1/8" plastic sheet over vents
> and other
> holes then paint it all with an epoxy paint that cures
> to a
> non-toxic finish. Would also have to cut out the
> handle area and
> glue some plastic sheet in the back so the water can
> be filled
> high enough to come above the top of the screen hole.
>
> For the front window, find a way to crack the tube
> safely then
> cut the front off. Clean off the phosphor coating and
> glue it
> in its original location.
>
> Print out and hot laminate a black and white desktop
> screenshot
> for the back of the tank then use only black and white
> fish for
> a "Fyshtem 6" look. ;)
>
> It will be total Fandemonium!
> August (Fri) 4th, (Sat) 5th & (Sun) 6th, 2006
> http://www.fandemonium.org
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Re: Mac SE: to mod or not

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You haven't seen the pictures? There are probably hundreds of
Macquariums out there... I would, however, save any useful systems and
only use dead/salvaged machines for such a purpose.

On 12/24/05, Ron 'Hollywood' Parro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I rebuilt and parted literally hundreds of SEs and SE 30s and I always
> > wondered how they would look as an aquarium.
> >
>  — —
> > Ron 'Hollywood' Parro ;>{) http://www.greality.com/Hollywood/
> > "It is never too late to be what you might have been."
> >   — George Eliot
> >>
>
> >> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:31:13 -0800
> >> From: Lunar Dawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: Mac SE: to mod or not?
> >> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I've just acquired an old Mac SE (part of a lot deal) and originally
> >> was going to gut it and build something more modern inside but it does
> >> power up and the more I contemplate it the more I feel a bit
> >> conflicted
> >> about the idea of modding it. OTOH I have no real use for it in its
> >> original
> >> form. Any suggestions?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
>
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Re: Mac SE: to mod or not?

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Find someone who's got a dead or empty SE, and keep the good one or
give it to someone who will appreciate it in its original form.

On 12/23/05, Lunar Dawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I've just acquired an old Mac SE (part of a lot deal) and originally
> was going to gut it and build something more modern inside but it does
> power up and the more I contemplate it the more I feel a bit conflicted
> about the idea of modding it. OTOH I have no real use for it in its original
> form. Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> ld
>
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Re: Kid-proofing computers

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Or you can just choose "Switch to Finder" from the Apple menu.

FoolProof is a good utility to keep them from messing around with the
System folder and preferences. It is configurable to your needs and
password protected.

On 12/21/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Unless they learn how to hold the shift key down like my kids have during
> boot.
>
> There's a key for every lock.
>
> Rick
>
> on 12/21/05 5:01 PM, Thomas at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I've used At Ease which is a control panel that is included in some
> > Apple Install sets.  It's simple enough and has worked well in an
> > elementary school setting.  Info:
> > http://toastytech.com/guis/atease.html
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Re: data/program transmital and storage questions

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Well, it's certainly not simpler. You could always use a USB or SCSI
CD burner with a later-model PowerMac.

On 12/20/05, J Worgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >You have answered "how" quite perfectly, but I still don't see "why"
> >Because you can?
>
> No,
> I see it as possibly a simpler way to back up, soon to degenerate, old
> programs to a CD and to load again.
> I just transmit, burn, play on CD player back into computer, save to a new
> disk the program/disk that has degenerated beyond use.
>
> To transmit a program via modem to microphone input into a PowerMac to burn
> into CD seems easier to me than dealing with 400K disks and 800K disks in
> the newer disk drives.  I don't have to find compatible OS that can "read"
> the program and then burn it to CD.  By using programming converted to
> sound, the computer burning the CD only has to recognize the sounds - not
> have to be able to "understand" the program.  If I can input it back from
> audio to the computer with the originating OS, then it should be able to
> process the audio back into the program and save it back onto an undamaged
> disk.
>
> I ask if it can be done.  There are experts on this list who know either
> that it is not possible or know what I need to do to do it.
>
> Does that help explain why?
> I don't want to do it just to do it.
>
>
> On 12/19/05, J Worgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Allan Hunter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 2:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: data/program transmital and storage questions
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Re: data/program transmital and storage questions

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You have answered "how" quite perfectly, but I still don't see "why"

Because you can?

On 12/19/05, J Worgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: data/program transmital and storage questions
>
>
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> > floppy disk drove to extinction at the end of the 70s!
>
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Re: data/program transmital and storage questions

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My question... Why?

On 12/19/05, J Worgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At 9:55 AM -0800 12/19/05, J Worgan wrote:
> > >Can data and programs be sent via modem to microphone input and recorded
> on
> > >a cassette or reel to reel tape recorder?
> >
> > Yeah, sort of.  You actually need a modem-to-modem connection and
> > then "listen in" on it with the microphone.  Modems talk to EACH
> > OTHER, and unless the sending device keeps getting the little
> > confirmation sigs from the receiving one I don't think it'll keep
> > pushing consecutive packets out.
>
> Would a phone line recording unit such as sold by Radio Shack that records
> directly from the phone line attached to the modem work better than a
> microphone?
>
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Re: SE/30 help! (yes, the webserver one)

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Try booting from a floppy and then see if you can rename the drive

On 12/16/05, Manuel Marques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yep. I've done it 5 minutes after writing the first message... but thanks
> anyway...
>
> Manuel Jorge M. Marques
>  _
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> -Original Message-
> From: Vintage Macs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Allan Hunter
> Sent: sexta-feira, 16 de Dezembro de 2005 23:09
> To: Vintage Macs
> Subject: Re: SE/30 help! (yes, the webserver one)
>
> You have to turn off file sharing in order to rename the drive.  Then
> you can turn it back on again.  (You can also boot with the shift key
> down to disable all extensions and rename it, then reboot, that ought
> to work).
>
> At 10:35 PM + 12/16/05, Manuel Marques wrote:
> >Hi again,
> >
> >I've installed NetPresenz and connected the little fellow onto my home
> >network, and it went really well... ftp sharing is great!
> >
> >But I still have a problem: my hard disk is called SE/30 (dunno who did it;
> >the computer was like that all the time), and that causes 404's when I try
> >to reach something via HTTP (because the server tries to create another
> >directory where there's nothing). I tried renaming the disk, but that
> didn't
> >work, because I can't rename it! My supposition is the hard disk driver.
> >When I boot my SE, it says (near the happy mac) Silverlining v. something -
> >(c) 1996 LaCie Corp.
> >
> >How can I rename it without formatting the drive? Shall I start looking for
> >a floppy called silverlining?? (assuming it is the hard disk driver)
> >
> >Greetings,
> >
> >
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Re: LC II

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What settings did you use on the adapter? I have one of those
ViewSonic ones that they gave away for free...

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> I've got an original LC sitting right here next to me and it works
> fine with a 20" Sony Trinitron, standard VGA connector.  It runs it
> at 640 x 480 x 8, to be sure, which makes for some really freaking
> HUGE icons, but aside from that it works fine.  The adaptor is one of
> those suckers full of dip-switches for various resolutions, currently
> set to the params for support of multisynch monitors.  The LC will
> drive it at 512 x 342 as well as 640 x 480.
>
> At 6:18 PM -0800 12/14/05, NODEraser wrote:
> >To my experience, the video adapters won't work at all with the older
> >LC series. You need a genuine Apple RGB monitor.
> >
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Re: LC II

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To my experience, the video adapters won't work at all with the older
LC series. You need a genuine Apple RGB monitor.

On 12/14/05, Tim Cowper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A few answers !
> 1. I am using onboard video, but was just educated
> about early mac monitors. Guess I need an adapter for
> my 14 inch AOC multisync.
> 2. RAM has never been upgraded from what was in it
> when I purchased it. I have removed the chips to see
> if a bad chip was the source of the problem. Still the
> same result when they are not on the board.
> 3. I didn't bump anything that I know of. The battery
> is very easy to get to and there is nothing nearby
> that I can remember touching when I changed it.
>
> The only other thing I can think of change wise from
> the standpoint of upgrades is that at sometime an
> ethernet card was installed in the computer prior to
> my purchasing it and is still there.
> Tim
>
> --- Scott Baret <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > A few questions.
> >
> > 1. Are you using onboard video or a card?
> > 2. Have you upgraded the RAM lately?
> > 3. Did you bump anything when you changed the
> > battery?
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > --- Tim Cowper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > I have an lc ii that I bought as a hobby computer.
> > > When I go to start it, all I get is the opening
> > bars
> > > of the twilight zone and no video output at all.
> > > I've
> > > replaced the system battery and nothing has
> > changed.
> > > It came with an 80 meg hard drive, floppy,
> > keyboard,
> > > and mouse all of which power up and seem to work.
> > > Any
> > > ideas of what to check for next?
> > >
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Re: SE/30 as webserver

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Has anyone else had problems with NetPresenz being especially slow? I
currently have a server set up at http://noderaser.no-ip.org/ , and it
seems exceedingly slow. It's not my connection, it's that slow over
LAN as well.

On 12/12/05, Scott Baret <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > My SE/30 "server" sits on a Mac II case with no
> motherboard. Inside
> > there are four SCSI disks which use the MacII power
> supply and tie to
> > the external SCSI port on the SE/30. NetPresenz
> allows Linux and
> > peecees to put stuff up there for me. I backed out
> of Tiger because I
> > like things the way they are. If AAPL wasn't doing
> so well I would be
> > more pissed at Steve.
>
> I am curious as to how this huge external disk would
> work. I have a ton of old hard drives that don't have
> Macs to go wtih, so I may make something like this.
> Are they all wired together inside using SCSI cables?
> Is the Mac II modified so that there is a bunch of
> SCSI ports sticking out the back?
>
> Alternately I have a 20SC case with a dead 5.25" drive
> inside so I guess I could stick two 3.5" drives in
> there.
>
> Scott
>
> --- Doug McNutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > At 13:03 -0500 12/12/05, Allan Hunter wrote:
> > >Dunno exactly where the cutoff point is, but I
> > don't think a Mac
> > >SE/30 will have any overlap with Jaguar or Panther
> > OS X for
> > >AppleTalk file sharing, i.e., the newest OS the
> > SE/30 will run is
> > >too old to mount or be mounted by any flavor of OS
> > X.
> >
> > I am currently running OS 10.3.9 and communicating
> > regularly, using
> > AppleTalk over Ethernet, with an SE/30 running OS
> > 7.5.3. I do make
> > the connections using a command line script that
> > uses mount_afp
> > afp://AT/Saturn/Dione with a preestablished mount
> > point directory in
> > /Volumes. That was necessary in Jaguar but I think
> > Finder can do it
> > in Panther. It works not in Tiger.
> >
> > Open Door does offer Shareway which can be installed
> > at the OS 7
> > level to allow connection using IP over Ethernet but
> > the cost is more
> > than the SE/30 is worth.
> >
> > As a webserver the SE/30 will be using IP anyway and
> > that's OK in
> > Tiger and a lot of other places.
> >
> > My SE/30 "server" sits on a Mac II case with no
> > motherboard. Inside
> > there are four SCSI disks which use the MacII power
> > supply and tie to
> > the external SCSI port on the SE/30. NetPresenz
> > allows Linux and
> > peecees to put stuff up there for me. I backed out
> > of Tiger because I
> > like things the way they are. If AAPL wasn't doing
> > so well I would be
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Re: ADB keyboard "power" button

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Could you post said picture somewhere?

On 10/6/05, Doug McNutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 10:55 -0400 10/6/05, Daniel wrote:
> >I would rather just make a special little box with a "power" button on it, 
> >so I can leave it near the picture frame.  To do this, I need to know what 
> >the power button does, what signals it sends over the ADB
>
> One pin (2) on the ADB cable is devoted to power on.  The only thing required 
> is to ground it (pin 4) momentarily.
>
> 1   ADB Bidirectional data bus for input and output.
> 2   POWER ONEnables power to be turned on from the keyboard
> 3   +5VDC +5 V power3 +5VDC +5 V power
> 4   GND Logic ground4 GND Logic ground
>
>
> Picture looking into the desktop device or computer. (Ask off line if the 
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>
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Re: Old Browsers Never Die They Just Disappear

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Gamba's site has a truckload of old browsers:

http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/browsers.html

On 10/4/05, Dylan McDermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Oct 4, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Bill Hatchell wrote:
>
> > Anyone on this list know where I can find a working download link
> > for the really old Netscape browsers like v. 3?
>
> You can get versions back to v3.04 off of netscape.com's ftp:
>
> ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/english
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Re: email on older macs

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You could do Internet on them, depending on the content. Light pages
would be OK, although the older browsers that would run on those
machines wouldn't support all the fancy media junk.

On 10/3/05, Ruffin Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I always enjoyed [EMAIL PROTECTED], and the "lite" version does POP3 (can't 
> recall if
> it does IMAP, though I'd assume so) well, at least for one account.  Runs
> very fast on older Macs and has good features.  Recently when I got an old
> PB 520 online I used Netscape's (v3 iirc) mail client -- there's an option
> to have it boot up into the mail handler.  In spite of the fact that it's
> really not so hot for browsing (Netscape 3 or the old Mac), having it boot
> into the mail handler worked well, and allowed some simplistic html message
> rendering.
>
> YMMV, IANAL, LMNOP,
>
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>
>
> On 10/3/05 3:30 PM, "Vintage Macs"  wrote:
>
> > I have a qnty older macs, lc475 - 7200 and modems.  How best to set up these
> > machines for email  (Anticipating the machines might be too smalll for web
> > browsing).
> >
> > thanks any advice
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Re: network

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If you're looking to do Internet, an Ethernet network is probably
best. However, for file or printer sharing, a Localtalk network would
work just fine.

On 10/2/05, John de Boer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> hello all
>
> I have about 20 older macs and a large number of network cards, connectors
> and a very large qnty/length cabling. I also have a qnty software, original.
> How should I go about working out which computer/network card, cabling I
> could use to make a number of networks, and what application could it have?
> Eg a network in a school.
>
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Re: optimum systems?

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Jag has a fairly decent guide: http://www.jagshouse.com/macos.html

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> Hello all. Is there a list somewhere that advises which system is best for
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Re: Apple Pippin

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The Sega Dreamcast ran on Windows CE, and had a built-in modem and (I
think) Ethernet. It came with either a CD that had a web browser on
it, or the browser was stored in ROM. It's been a while since I've
used one, but my friend had one that we used all the time. Web
browsing was made much easier with an option keyboard, since you had
to do the game of selecting letters with the controller if you didn't
have a keyboard. I don't remember if you could save anything (images,
etc.) to the memory cards, however.

The memory cards themselves were pretty neat, as they had an LCD
screen and their own sets of controls, with which you could play
mini-games that were downloaded from the Internet or off of game
discs.

Sorry if I'm driving off-topic even more, but I found it interesting
that the Dreamcast tanked in the face of competition from the xBox and
PS2. It was certainly more versatile.

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Re: Web hosting on a LCIII

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BTW, you will need to forward port 80 for HTTP. I'm trying to get a
website setup as well, except on a newer PM w/OS 9. Much easier, since
there is HTTP software built in.

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> 
> > I'll need a fixed
> > IP address? Where can I get one, free?
> 
> There are several dynamic IP DNS redirector services.
> 
> Check out www.dyndns.org and www.no-ip.com
> 
> There are more, just enter "dynamic DNS" (with quotes)
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Re: dead IIci

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Just for kicks, give the motherboard the dishwasher treatment. It may
only be a temporary solution, but it seems to have corrected some
sporadic problems that I have encountered with Classic Macs in the
past.

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> 
> > What can I do? It's a pity giving up on him because
> > it is the only IIci I
> > own and it has both network card and cache card
> > (with a 68030 50 Mhz
> > processor). Besides, it has more than 16 megs of
> > RAM, and I wanted to give
> > it to my brother. run 8.1. and so on.
> 
> Get another motherboard, or another whole IIci that
> works, then pop the cards in it.
> 
> Is that 50Mhz 030 a Daystar one? It needs the control
> panel to enable the CPU and FPU on it. The 32K cache
> always works on them. The Daystar cards are VERY
> static sensitive! When not installed in a Mac, they
> need to be SNUGLY wrapped in an ESD bag and not
> allowed to slop and flop around with stuff like
> foam pellets or Tyvek priority mail envelopes.
> 
> I got two formerly working ones in the mail a few
> years ago, that were DOA because the static got them
> even inside an ESD bag. The factory Daystar packaging
> was a snug ESD bag then firmly strapped to a piece
> of cardboard that fit into a box that allowed
> no movement.
> 
> NEVER plug that card into anything but a IIci, IIvi,
> IIvx PDS, or another Mac that has the Daystar adaptor.
> Even though the card will physically fit onto the
> mainboard of a IIsi or SE/30, IT WILL FRY without the
> proper adaptor.
> 
> A IIci with a 50Mhz 030 (and 50Mhz 6882 FPU to match)
> is very speedy.
> 
> It won't run OS 8.1 without a hack like Wish I Were
> because 8.1 will not install or boot on any Mac with
> a CPU older than an 040 or PPC.
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Re: Distributed Computing

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Yes, but support is still offered for both programs and updates are
still being issued for IE5.

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> > It's a shame that so many have abandoned
> > Classic OS, when
> > even Microsoft still supports OS9 for Internet
> > Explorer and other applications.
> 
> MSIE for Mac was eneded at 5.something. Office dropped
> off Classic after 2000 or 2001.
> 
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Re: Free to a good home

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If only you were in the Pacific Northwest, I would have been at your
house a few days ago.

On 9/2/05, Mike Sloane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They have been spoken for but not picked up. Unfortunately, I am not 
> prepared to acquire the shipping materials, pack everything up, and 
> truck the cartons down to a UPS depot - is is not a money thing but the 
> rather large task involved. It would take at least 10 large cartons and 
> lots of bubble pack, tape, etc. - and I suspect the cost of doing that 
> and the shipping would far exceed their value. I just want to get rid of 
> them, not make any profit, and if they are not picked up, they will go 
> to the county computer recycling center at the end of October.
> 
> Mike
> 
> Michael Amici wrote:
> > are those macs still avalible?
> > how much do you think shipping would be?
> > 
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Re: Distributed Computing

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A G3 would be fully capable of running OS X (not sure about Tiger,
however and especially with the rest of the hardware being of the
older generation) with the appropriate memory and hard disk space
requirements. Unfortunately as a student, I do not posess the capital
to make the necessary upgrades (or purchase a newer, OS X native
system). Linux is one option that I would like to explore, but I would
likely need a larger hard disk and more memory for that as well.

I just want to use my distributed computing apps! I'm in somewhat of a
competition/frenzy with a few friends of mine, to see who can pull the
most work units. I haven't got the most cutting-edge farm, but it
fares OK. It's a shame that so many have abandoned Classic OS, when
even Microsoft still supports OS9 for Internet Explorer and other
applications. (Oops, perhaps I shouldn't have said that, as it will
likely open a huge can of worms). Of course, the question remains for
how long.

Can someone come up with an Intel/AMD equivalency for the G3 for our
Linux friend here? I'm drawing a blank at the moment, but I'm assuming
it must fall into the Pentium II/III vintage.

On 9/2/05, Samual Acorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> like i said before... for older systems like that it would be better
> to switch to linux/PPC...
> if it cant run OSX it -will- be able to run linux... even the 68k
> (68020+/PMMU) systems can run linux...
> 
> as a side note; i have absolutely no idea what a PM6100 is (G3 doesnt
> even really mean anything to me other than its a PPC CPU)... im a
> linux/x86 geek... only thing i use a mac (i make use of only one mac)
> for is a serial terminal  (not a big fan of the MacOS UI tis a
> strange, foriegn, and uncomfortable land to me -- some interesting
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> wonder just how well built macs really are and no... im not trying
> to start a flame war... using ancient 8bit hardware in a 'hybrid'
> situation like that is definitly an interesting hack...)
> 
> On 01/09/05, NODEraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I didn't know Classic was still chugging along... I'll download it ASAP.
> > 
> > A BOINC client for OS9 could still be useful, because I'm sure there
> > are iMac-ers or other G3 folks who don't have the resources to upgrade
> > to OS X, but could still process workunits in time.
> > 
> > By the way, my PM6100 has a G3-266 upgrade card in it.
> > 
> > On 9/1/05, Samual Acorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > the classic client still works as long as you already have an account
> > > with them and
> > > and a copy of the software;
> > > http://setiathome2.ssl.berkeley.edu/index.html
> > > (note as of this wrtiting the 'work unit' server is acting up [what
> > > else is new] so i cant say if its been taken down or is just acting
> > > up... but there are -many- users still using classic that i doubt will
> > > switch because boinc is an absolute mess)
> > >
> > > there is also a way to get boinc to work on an early PPC mac but i
> > > doubt you will like it...
> > > simply install linux/PPC ;)
> > >
> > > On 01/09/05, NODEraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > It appears that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is no longer supporting their Classic
> > > > client, I was thinking that a BOINC client for Classic MacOS could be
> > > > a useful thing. There doesn't seem to be a team working on such a
> > > > client on the BOINC port pages, so I was wondering if there was
> anyone
> > > > out there who's got the know-how to start such a project. I would do
> > > > it myself, but I know absolutely nothing about compiling programs.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone is interested, there is a lot of information (and the BOINC
> > > > source) here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/compile.php
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: Distributed Computing

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When I go to the SETI Classic site, it says that Classic downloads are
no longer supported. Does anyone have a mirror of the Classic
software?

On 9/1/05, NODEraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I didn't know Classic was still chugging along... I'll download it ASAP.
> 
> A BOINC client for OS9 could still be useful, because I'm sure there
> are iMac-ers or other G3 folks who don't have the resources to upgrade
> to OS X, but could still process workunits in time.
> 
> By the way, my PM6100 has a G3-266 upgrade card in it.
> 
> On 9/1/05, Samual Acorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > the classic client still works as long as you already have an account
> > with them and
> > and a copy of the software; 
> > http://setiathome2.ssl.berkeley.edu/index.html
> > (note as of this wrtiting the 'work unit' server is acting up [what
> > else is new] so i cant say if its been taken down or is just acting
> > up... but there are -many- users still using classic that i doubt will
> > switch because boinc is an absolute mess)
> > 
> > there is also a way to get boinc to work on an early PPC mac but i
> > doubt you will like it...
> > simply install linux/PPC ;)  
> > 
> > On 01/09/05, NODEraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > It appears that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is no longer supporting their Classic
> > > client, I was thinking that a BOINC client for Classic MacOS could be
> > > a useful thing. There doesn't seem to be a team working on such a
> > > client on the BOINC port pages, so I was wondering if there was anyone
> > > out there who's got the know-how to start such a project. I would do
> > > it myself, but I know absolutely nothing about compiling programs.
> > > 
> > > If anyone is interested, there is a lot of information (and the BOINC
> > > source) here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/compile.php
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: Distributed Computing

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I didn't know Classic was still chugging along... I'll download it ASAP.

A BOINC client for OS9 could still be useful, because I'm sure there
are iMac-ers or other G3 folks who don't have the resources to upgrade
to OS X, but could still process workunits in time.

By the way, my PM6100 has a G3-266 upgrade card in it.

On 9/1/05, Samual Acorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the classic client still works as long as you already have an account
> with them and
> and a copy of the software; 
> http://setiathome2.ssl.berkeley.edu/index.html
> (note as of this wrtiting the 'work unit' server is acting up [what
> else is new] so i cant say if its been taken down or is just acting
> up... but there are -many- users still using classic that i doubt will
> switch because boinc is an absolute mess)
> 
> there is also a way to get boinc to work on an early PPC mac but i
> doubt you will like it...
> simply install linux/PPC ;)  
> 
> On 01/09/05, NODEraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It appears that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is no longer supporting their Classic
> > client, I was thinking that a BOINC client for Classic MacOS could be
> > a useful thing. There doesn't seem to be a team working on such a
> > client on the BOINC port pages, so I was wondering if there was anyone
> > out there who's got the know-how to start such a project. I would do
> > it myself, but I know absolutely nothing about compiling programs.
> > 
> > If anyone is interested, there is a lot of information (and the BOINC
> > source) here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/compile.php
> > 
> 
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Distributed Computing

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It appears that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is no longer supporting their Classic
client, I was thinking that a BOINC client for Classic MacOS could be
a useful thing. There doesn't seem to be a team working on such a
client on the BOINC port pages, so I was wondering if there was anyone
out there who's got the know-how to start such a project. I would do
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Re: Dead Macintosh IIfx

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The opposite from you... Oregon.

On 8/24/05, Mike Sloane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In what part of the country are you located?
> 
> Mike
> 
> NODEraser wrote:
> > (totally unrelated)
> >
> > Does anybody have the time or patience to rebuild dead PSU's? If so, I
> > have a few laying around that you could have. I've been kind of
> > hesitant to throw them away, just in case I find such a person.
> >
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Re: Dead Macintosh IIfx

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(totally unrelated)

Does anybody have the time or patience to rebuild dead PSU's? If so, I
have a few laying around that you could have. I've been kind of
hesitant to throw them away, just in case I find such a person.

On 8/19/05, Jeff Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >From: "Powermac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:43:44 -0400
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Jeff Walther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Vintage Macs" 
> 
> >>  Although, as old as that machine is, anyone who wants to keep one
> >>  running probably needs to learn the basics of power supply repair--at
> >>  least enough to replace the capacitors every decade or so.
> >>
> >>  Jeff Walther
> >
> >So what are the basics for PS repair (is there a PDF or book on the
> >subject)?
> 
> I wish that I knew.  :-)   I can replace most components skillfully,
> but have few skills in diagnosis.
> 
> In most cases, it seems to be that power supplies fail from worn out
> electrolytic capacitors.  So a shotgun approach that often works is
> to replace all the electrolytic caps in the thing.  Also, look for
> discolored (from heat) spots and bad solder joints.
> 
> I think that the way a technician would diagnose such a unit is to
> develop a basic understanding of what voltage is expected where in
> the PS either by having a schematic or working one up by examination.
> Then start measuring voltages either from teh input towards the
> output or vice versa.
> 
> If you start at the output, you'd measure the output to see if it's
> correct.  If not, move back behind the last stage of components and
> see if the voltage has the proper form there.  Keep working backwards
> until teh voltage has the proper form for that stage.  The failure is
> probably in front of that stage.
> 
> If you start at the input, you'd follow the AC current in, make sure
> it's reaching the first component properly and then work your way
> forwward as in the above, until you find the stage where the voltage
> is not as expected.
> 
> Of course, you need at least a multimeter that can handle AC and DC to do 
> this.
> 
> Before the advent of switching power supplies, a typical power supply
> would have a transformer as the first component.  That is a bunch of
> coils of wire around an iron core.  120VAC would go in and a lower
> voltage such 18 VAC would come out the other end.  Or possibly it
> would have two or more taps such that 18 VAC and maybe 8 VAC would
> come out.
> 
> Then there would be a rectifier stage to convert the AC to a rough
> DC.   This DC would have a lot of level variation in it.
> 
> Then there would be a filtering stage to smooth out the DC into
> something useable.  This was usually done with a bunch of capacitors.
> 
> There might also be a solid state DC-DC voltage regulator in there to
> really nail the power output.  And there could be filter elements
> included in any of the stages.
> 
> On such old style power supplies its fairly easy to know what to
> expect and to measure the levels to see if they look okay.
> 
> Switching power supplies are somewhat different animals and frankly,
> I don't remember the little that I read about them.   IIRC, they use
> a solid state component that takes a higher than desired voltage and
> switches open and closed very fast.  The duty cycle of this switching
> depends on the relationship between teh desired voltage and the input
> voltage.  Then the output is smoothed out with some filtering
> (capacitors again, I think) and a lower voltage is achieved.
> 
> I'm not sure how you'd check that the switching component of such a
> supply is switching properly.  It's output should look something like
> a fast square wave and I guess you'd need an oscilloscope to check
> it.  Of course, if the input to the switcher is good, and output is
> bad, and you've already replaced the filter, then the switcher is
> probably the place to look?  Like I said, I just don't know enough
> about diagnosis to be confident.
> 
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Re: Broken LC

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If it's customary, then why does every e-mail client and service on
the planet put the new message on top?

On 8/18/05, Kyle Koerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ah, sorry about the top-posting thing, i thought that it was
> customary to post on the bottom (we had a big debate on this in the
> iMac LEM list).  Anyway, the deal with the hard drive is as follows.
> I REMOVED the internal drive from the LC III, then I put it into an
> external SCSI box.  I connected the SCSI box to my LC 520.  (I wanted
> to copy files form one drive to the other).  I turned OFF the LC 520,
> but forgot to turn off the SCSI box that contained the LC III's
> INTERNAL hard drive.
> 
> Hopefully that is clear... I'm not sure how else to say it.
> 
> Now, that was left on ALL WEEK, causing that drive to die.  Now, the
> LC III won't boot, even with another hard drive on the internal SCSI
> cable.  With an external SCSI drive, it boots fine.
> 
> Kyle-
> 
> On Aug 18, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Samual Acorn wrote:
> 
> > top posting fixed?
> >
> > ok.. confused... how would leaving an external harddrive turned on
> > keep the internal turned on... arent the power and data cables
> > seperate??  if the internal was left spinning (powered) by the power
> > supply in the external box and the scsi bus on this comp still works i
> > would check the power cable...
> >
> > or... is it the external that is damaged from being left on for a
> > week? (that -still- shouldnt have been a problem... the drive would
> > have just sat idle)
> >
> > either you arent wording this correctly or i have completely jumped
> > the tracks on this one cos i am lost...
> >
> > On 18/08/05, Kyle Koerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 18, 2005, at 3:10 AM, Samual Acorn wrote:
> >>
> >> (top posting fixed)
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On 15/08/05, Kyle Koerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  Hi All
>  I asked about networking my old LCs together a little while
>  earlier.
>  Well, now the LC III's hard drive died.  I had it in an external
>  box
>  to copy some info to a Performa, and I accidently left it on for a
>  week straight.  Anyway, now the LC III won't boot.  I have put the
>  drive from my LC 520 (7.5.3) in the III, and it refuses to boot -
>  just the ? .  However, if I put the good drive in an external SCSI
>  box, and then power on the LC with no internal drive, it will work
>  just fine.
> 
>  Any ideas would be much appreciated.
> 
>  Kyle-
> 
> 
> >>
> >>
> >>> bad internal cable? bad scsi termination?
> >>> try zapping the pram and see what it does... option-apple-p-r on
> >>> power
> >>> up... (i think thats the right key-sequence)
> >>>
> >>> btw, left it on as in powered on? (that shouldnt have caused any
> >>> problems) or left it on as in connected?  (that shouldnt have
> >>> either... but...)
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, i tried the PRAM , that didn't help.  I'm not sure how you
> >> would terminate the internal drive... its the only drive in there.
> >>
> >> The drive died because I put it in an external SCSI box to copy some
> >> files, but when I finished with the computer, I forgot to turn off
> >> the external box, and the drive ended up being left on for a full
> >> week, while the computer was shut down.
> >>
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Re: A lighthearted observation...

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"Hello, computer!" says Scotty (into the mouse)

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> thought someone would have recognized that by now. :-P
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Re: Possessed IIcx

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Perhaps you ought to run the logic board through the dishwasher, just
to be safe.

On 7/10/05, Jeff Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >About an hour later I was working on a 5200 whose back
> >was to the IIcx's back (the table was a square). I
> >went around back to pull the hard drive and suddenly I
> >felt a random burst of cool air. I thought "that's
> >bizzare" and then was in for a bigger shock. The IIcx>
> >had turned on ALL BY ITSELF!!! I shook my head,
> >thinking I was dreaming. Nope, the IIcx had indeed
> >turned on all by itself. No startup chime or anything.
> 
> >I went around front to look at it. It started up fine.
> >Wiped the disk and then shut it down. Tried starting
> >it up again. This time it worked.
> 
> My IIci used to do that for no reason, usually when the pram battery
> was dead or low.  It would'nt start up at all sometimes, but if I left
> it plugged in for a minute or two it would 'pop' on for no reason.  I
> think it had something to do with getting a charge to the pram, and
> not relying on the (dead) battery.  Dunno for sure.
> 
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Re: new mac names & designations

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Actually, I know a few people who are (and have been) running PC games
on their Macs, even playing online. They use VMWare as far as I know,
although I'm not too familiar with that product. A video card upgrade
is usually required, however, to make the Mac compatible with DirectX
or the game in question.

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Re: Best said reference yet [Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???]

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I wonder if Sonnet got the chips for its upgrade cards from IBM, or if
they made their own?

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> --- Dana Sibera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > They then link to a licensing page that mentions
> > licensing for the
> > PPC 4xx cores - which may be the only models that
> > IBM both own
> > copyright to AND also license out for others to use
> > - but doesn't
> > necessarily mean they are the ONLY powerpc chips
> > that can be made by anybody else.
> 
> Sooo, Intel/AMD/VIA/SiS/whomever, could, if they
> wanted,
> say thankyewverymuchIBM and start producing PPC CPUs?
> 
> Nifty.
> 
> It will be total Fandemonium!
> August (Fri) 5th, (Sat) 6th & (Sun) 7th, 2005
> http://www.fandemonium.org
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Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???

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I started using Macs and PCs at about the same time (1990 or so), and
have continued to use both over the years. I don't find either OS
particularly difficult to use or navigate, but perhaps it's just
because I have grown with them.

OpenOffice has many things to work out before it can become a serious
competitor with Microsoft Office. It's still really buggy, and there
are some semi-important things (in my opinion) that you just can't do,
like only print a selected page(s) from a spreadsheet.

On 6/23/05, Mark Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On 20 Jun 2005, at 15:02, Marco van de Voort wrote:
> 
> > I'm no real mac'er, but I'd say it is the software/hardware
> > integration. The
> > OS  is decent, but not vastly superior IMHO
> 
> Not vastly superior to what exactly? OS X 10.4 blows large holes in
> XP in several areas. It also has large advantages over desktop Linux.
> O'course that's only my opinion but it is shared by most industry
> experts.
> 
> > and neither is the hardware.
> 
> Here I agree.
> 
> > If there is something to it, it is the combination of both.
> 
> If I thought I could run Windows apps and games through it I'd run it
> on my PC as well. I love OS X. Yes Apple hardware is nice too and I
> wouldn't necessarily stop buying the hardware.
> 
> > Half of the PC OS problems are due to the infinite amount of
> > hardware it has
> > to run on.
> 
> Actually I have very few hardware problems with XP. It's come on
> massively since the days of Windows 98 and balky drivers. All the
> problems I have with Windows relate to a lack of intuitive interface
> and missing features (or at the very least inferior versions of them)
> that I use constantly in Mac OS X. Also the quality of software just
> isn't there for Windows. Only the big-guns in design etc. (most of
> which started out on the Mac - like Adobe) make relatively good PC
> Apps. Most others simply wouldn't cut it in the Mac community. The
> only really good free stuff I have found for the PC is from Mozilla.
> I also hate the taskbar in Windows, it's a disaster of clutter and
> confusion compared tot the dock.
> 
> Anyhoo. That's just me, or is it? Everyone in my office constantly
> complains about things on their PCs and most if it is problems
> arising from Windows being hard to use or badly thought out. Also
> teaching people to use MS Apps like Word or Excel in Windows is a
> nightmare. The interface is just so hard to understand. First you
> have a menu bar from which you can do everything. Then you have
> button bars in the same place (which causes confusion). Then you have
> som buttons down the side... and some at the bottom of the screen (by
> default). And for everyone who is currently preaching OpenOffice as
> the way out of MS oppression think again, it might be free but it's
> just as bas as MS Office to use.
> 
> OK I'm done... :o)
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Re: Best said reference yet [Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???]

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Approximately when did IBM start making PPC processors? I thought the
first PPCs were Motorola...

On 6/23/05, Mark Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On 22 Jun 2005, at 04:06, Dylan McDermond wrote:
> 
> > The best bet is the future Pentium M derivatives
> 
> Current rumoring suggests Pentium M for mobile and small form factor
> machines (read Mac mini, Powerbook, iBook) and Pentium D Dual Core
> CPUs where the G5 is currently (iMac and PowerMac). If they can tune
> OS X and their Pro Apps to get the most out of the Pentium D it'll be
> a good computer. The reason the higher-end machines will not be out
> next year is because the Pentium D has only just been unveiled and
> Apple and Intel still need time to co-develop the new architecture to
> hone it to the sorts of levels that the PowerMac G5 is at. Anyone who
> thinks Apple will mod stock PC boards to work as Macs doesn't know
> Apple. They will want boards done to their own spec. They quite
> possibly will use some other Intel components, the laptops for
> example will likely have built-in Centrino mobile technology for
> wireless rather than AE (that means Apple laptops will finally have
> WiFi built-in as standard, as current Intel based PC laptops tend
> to). They may also use part or all of the Intel motherboard chipset.
> The boards however will be custom layouts. One thing I also think
> Apple may well do is either solder down the CPUs, or alternatively
> use a non-PC standard socket pattern for the CPU. That said however
> they have, for all their protestations, not been totally adverse to
> CPU upgrades in the past. You never know we may in the future be able
> to upgrade the CPUs on our Macs with off-the-shelf stock from an PC
> vendor. How cool is that!
> 
> Dell already have a Pentium D PC out but *that* operating system
> isn't in the slightest optimised for EM64T *OR* Dual Core so it's
> pretty much a waste of money in the Windows world, at least for now.
> 
> Re: the reference that was originally quoted, that reference refers
> completely to Intel's Itanium IA64 architecture, which is a dead
> duck. Intel have developed EM64T which is easy to support alongside
> AMD's AMD64 line, and so I believe the IA64 line will be phased out
> within 18 months in favour of a line of high-end EM64T chips, maybe
> with inbuilt IA64 legacy translation. Either way Apple are not using
> IA64. I am not even totally sure IA64 is x86 compatible.
> 
> Also I'd like to point out to those that were muttering about Intel
> making PowerPC CPUs that IBM own all the patents to PowerPC and POWER
> technology. Apple can't just walk up to Intel and ask to make PPCs -
> the designs are not Apple's to hand out. It simply would not be
> possible. IBM and Intel might co-operate (begrudgingly) in the low-
> end Server market but they are both producing chips and thus are
> rivals in CPU terms. It'd be like Apple giving Microsoft the keys to
> OS X... Either way that rumor is dead as the line is confirmed to be
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Re: Ethernet Bridges & Printing

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I do not have the AppleTalk protocol installed on my computer, and it
is not in the list of protocols to install when I follow the
procedures on this page:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/howto_optional_nw_components.mspx

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> --- NODEraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I find it interesting that Win2k has AppleTalk...
> > Unfortunately, I
> > have XP Professional on all of my Windows computers.
> > I wonder if
> > there's a third-party AppleTalk protocol out there
> > for XP?
> 
> You can still add an AppleTalk "local" printer in XP
> just like in 2000.
> 
> <http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/sag_add_appletalk_port.mspx>
> 
> A 3rd party AppleTalk network protocol for XP.
> <http://www.macnn.com/articles/04/06/16/appletalk.for.winxp/>
> 
> There's also Miramar's PC MacLAN
> http://www.miramar.com/
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Re: Ethernet Bridges & Printing

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Ok, I managed to get ahold of a DB-9 Female to DB-25 Male cable, but I
still can't seem to get the silly thing to work. Any pointers on
getting the proper settings down? I found this table
(http://www.nefec.org/upm/printers/mapiif.htm#Settings) that gives
information for the different settings on the printer, but does anyone
know of a magic setting that will make the PC and the LaserWriter be
happy with each other? I've tried settings 1-3 with similar settings
on the computer, but so far haven't gotten it to work. I'm assuming
that I have to select one of the "Raw" modes in order for it to work
with a Windows computer...

On 6/16/05, NODEraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I find it interesting that Win2k has AppleTalk... Unfortunately, I
> have XP Professional on all of my Windows computers. I wonder if
> there's a third-party AppleTalk protocol out there for XP?
> 
> I suppose the other option would be to track down a DB-9 Female to
> DB-25 Male serial cable and go that route. But, it would be nice to
> have network printing without having an intermediary.
> 
> On 6/15/05, John Niven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have a LWIIg which has AAUI ethernet built in. I use an Apple dongle
> > to convert AAUI to 10bT and connect that into the Linksys router which
> > is the heart of my home PC/Mac network.
> >
> > The PC's (belonging to my gaming teenagers) are running W2K. You can
> > install AppleTalk as a protocol in the network panel. Then when you
> > install a new printer you DO NOT select network printer (Why? Why?) but
> > select local printer. Your PC won't see your printer so you have create
> > a new port - and AppleTalk is one of the selections. I can't remember
> > the details but once you get over the fact that its NOT a network
> > printer you should be OK.
> >
> > Now I think that your IIf with the AsanteTalk LocalTalk-Ethernet bridge
> > should behave the same as my IIg. It amazes me that my old IIg is still
> > spitting out cheap printouts from PC's and Mac's (classic and new).
> > Since you have the AsanteTalk you should try this rather than setting
> > up a localTalk bridge because then you just need to leave the printer
> > switched on and not a Mac as well. Also I don't know if you can print
> > from the PC's over a localtalk bridge.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Jun 15, 2005, at 10:46 PM, NODEraser wrote:
> >
> > > I have a LaserWriter IIf that I would like to keep on PhoneNet, and
> > > connect to Ethernet. I have a Farallon EtherMac iPrint Adapter
> > > (PhoneNet type) and a AsanteTalk LocalTalk-Ethernet bridge.
> >
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Re: Ethernet Bridges & Printing

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I find it interesting that Win2k has AppleTalk... Unfortunately, I
have XP Professional on all of my Windows computers. I wonder if
there's a third-party AppleTalk protocol out there for XP?

I suppose the other option would be to track down a DB-9 Female to
DB-25 Male serial cable and go that route. But, it would be nice to
have network printing without having an intermediary.

On 6/15/05, John Niven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a LWIIg which has AAUI ethernet built in. I use an Apple dongle
> to convert AAUI to 10bT and connect that into the Linksys router which
> is the heart of my home PC/Mac network.
> 
> The PC's (belonging to my gaming teenagers) are running W2K. You can
> install AppleTalk as a protocol in the network panel. Then when you
> install a new printer you DO NOT select network printer (Why? Why?) but
> select local printer. Your PC won't see your printer so you have create
> a new port - and AppleTalk is one of the selections. I can't remember
> the details but once you get over the fact that its NOT a network
> printer you should be OK.
> 
> Now I think that your IIf with the AsanteTalk LocalTalk-Ethernet bridge
> should behave the same as my IIg. It amazes me that my old IIg is still
> spitting out cheap printouts from PC's and Mac's (classic and new).
> Since you have the AsanteTalk you should try this rather than setting
> up a localTalk bridge because then you just need to leave the printer
> switched on and not a Mac as well. Also I don't know if you can print
> from the PC's over a localtalk bridge.
> 
> John
> 
> On Jun 15, 2005, at 10:46 PM, NODEraser wrote:
> 
> > I have a LaserWriter IIf that I would like to keep on PhoneNet, and
> > connect to Ethernet. I have a Farallon EtherMac iPrint Adapter
> > (PhoneNet type) and a AsanteTalk LocalTalk-Ethernet bridge.
> 
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Re: Ethernet Bridges & Printing

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So, this software will allow me to use one of my Macs as a sort of
print server? Would it also enable me to use the LaserWriter from a PC
using Ethernet?

Maybe I'll give it a try tomorrow.

This message was sent using a PowerBook 520.

On 6/16/05, Gregg Eshelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LocalTalk Bridge 2.1
> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60290
> 
> Does it work with OS 8.5? "Eh. Maybe."
> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=30774
> 
> --- NODEraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I have a LaserWriter IIf that I would like to keep
> > on PhoneNet, and connect to Ethernet.
> 
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Ethernet Bridges & Printing

[NODEraser]

I have a LaserWriter IIf that I would like to keep on PhoneNet, and
connect to Ethernet. I have a Farallon EtherMac iPrint Adapter
(PhoneNet type) and a AsanteTalk LocalTalk-Ethernet bridge. Can I use
one of these devices to connect my LWIIf to Ethernet, so I can use it
with newer Macs? I'm assuming the answer to this is yes.

The next question is, can I use one of these devices to connect the
printer to Ethernet, so that I can use it with PCs? I know the IIf is
PC-compatible via serial, but it woud be much nicer to have it running
on Ethernet so I don't have to keep a print server running all the
time.

I lightly skimmed Google earlier, and found a forum topic somewhere
where a guy asked if he could do the same with Linux PCs. It sounded
like the parties involved thought it was possible, although no actual
method of doing this came up.

I guess my other alternative would be to get a serial cable, set up a
print server and STFU.

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Re: FW: Best said reference yet [Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???]

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Just because Intel will be manufacturing the chips doesn't mean that
future Macs will be running Pentium 4's. If Apple gives them specs for
a PPC, they'll make it.

On 6/9/05, Gregg Eshelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- Liam Proven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On 6/9/05, Andre Skarzynski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Here is an interesting piece a friend forwarded to
> > me. Very scary...
> >
> > Facinating! That's a parallel I just drew in a
> > discussion on CIX...
> 
> Interesting. But short of something drastically custom
> in the CPU, I don't see how Apple can keep hackers
> from having that OSX version running on generic PCs
> very soon after it's release.
> 
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Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???

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So, is Intel just going to manufacture the chips, or will they have an
active part in developing their architecture?

Sounds like you're already planning Apple's funeral. I think the only
way that Apple will die out, is if everyone jumps ship when they make
the conversion to Intel chips. Although, looking at some of the
messages in this thread, that very well could happen.

Oh, well. I think pretty much everyone will be running some flavor of
Linux in 5-10 years, regardless of the CPU they're running it on.

On 6/6/05, dr7zyq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The "rumor" was started by Steve Job's announcement,  and, as I understand
> it, has to do with the fact that Intel is leading the industry in low power
> cpu's, allowing maximum time between charges on laptop computers, which are
> the industry's biggest sellers right now.  With the best operating system
> and  a competitive time between charges (TBC -- okay, I made that
> abbreviation up), Apple can continue to compete; otherwise, it becomes the
> left behind.
> 
> NPR had an in depth discussion of the subject tonight on All Things
> Considered.
> 
> David
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "J.S. Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Vintage Macs" 
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Oh my... Intel CPU's???
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Liam Proven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I am amazed. It's the end of an era. Every major
> > computing platform in
> > the world will run on the same architecture. And
> > it's the oldest and
> > arguably the worst. CISC has won. One ISA to rule
> > them all, one ISA to
> > find them; one ISA to bring them all and in the
> > darkness bind them.
> >
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> >
> 
> 
> I can't believe so much is being made here of what
> amounts to an unsubstantiated rumor.
> 
> At the outset, to change to Intel chips would indeed
> remove the thing that makes a Mac a Mac. And in doing
> so would kill Mac's following once and for all.
> 
> Perhaps the REAL purpose for the starting of said
> rumor?
> 
> Jeff G
> 
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Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???

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Well, since AMD is really starting to hurt Intel in the PC processor
market, I guess they have to look for another customer base...

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> I just heard that Apple will switch to Intel CPU's for future products.
> 
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> 68K -> PPC -> x86
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Microsoft Word 5.1

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Does anyone have a disk image of the "Commands" disk available? I was
trying to install Word today, and it would seem that some or all of
the files on this disk are bad.

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Re: IIci Power Supply; Was: What to do with IIcx?

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If it's anything like the IIcx, there's a plastic latch just behind
the disk & hard drive that you have to pry to release the power
supply. I don't remember exactly what it looks like, but I do remember
it took some wiggling to get the PSU out. Be careful with the latch,
as it's probably pretty brittle after all these years.

On 5/30/05, J.S. Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> --- Manuel Marques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I'm going to get the PSU. But as I never mixed up
> > with real and heavy
> > hardware (except for some LCs I've opened), please
> > tell me: how hard is to
> > replace the PSU on the IIci? I saw something which
> > looked like a screw, but
> > I can't be sure. And how is the power connected? I
> > saw a AT-like connector
> > feeding the hard drive, but how is the connection to
> > the motherboard?
> 
> ``
> 
> If it already hasn't been answered, the screw holds
> the
> PSU to the rear of the plastic box. There's a casing
> inside that holds the floppy drive and hard drive.
> It's got it's own screw at the left-rear, looking from
> the front.
> 
> The left rear of the floppy/hard drive casing has a
> "finger" that latches to a slot in the PSU. Pry away
> from the PSU and lift the PSU straight out. It presses
> lightly into a 4-pin socket on  the motherboard, but
> always seems to act "wedged" into the case. A wiggle
> while you lift helps.
> 
> Then if you want it out for any reason, remove the
> screw on the floppy/hard drives casing and wiggle it
> backward. It retains to the right side of the case, so
> you have to pry on THAT latch, too,
> 
> Not heavy work. But some trickiness.
> 
> Jeff G
> 
> 
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Re: IIci Power Supply; Was: What to do with IIcx?

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Mac II Power Supply http://web.pdx.edu/~gbennett/comp/macintosh.htm#661-0375
Mac IIsi Power Supply http://web.pdx.edu/~gbennett/comp/macintosh.htm#661-1616

On 5/29/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> >> From: "Manuel Marques" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 20:46:20 +0100
> >>
> >> I have a IIci with a dead PSU, but it has an expansion card called 
> >> TransWarp
> >> CI-50.
> >
> >> Can anyone tell me how much would that card accelerate? I wanted to know if
> >> it worth the effort of ordering a PSU from EBay. (the only problem is that 
> >> I
> >> don't know what to find - my dead one is a Astec Model No. AA15831) - can
> >> anyone tell me if I could replace it with a Quadra 610 one?
> >
> > From the model number it sounds like it is a 68030 running at 50 MHz,
> > but that is only a guess based on the '50' in the model number.  If
> > that guess is correct, then it would be about 2X faster than the IIci
> > for CPU functions, but video and disk operations would still hold you
> > back.
> >
> > The IIci's power supply can be replaced by a power supply from a
> > IIcx, IIci, IIvi, IIvx, Centris 650, Quadra 650, Quadra 700, or
> > PowerMac 7100.  That power supply had a long run in various models.
> > The Q610 PS will not work.
> >
> > Actually, you can power a IIci mother board with a IIsi power supply
> > as well, but there's no way it would fit properly in the IIci case
> > and it does not provide as many available watts.
> >
> > Sellers on Ebay are likely to mention which computer the power supply
> > came from, not the Astec model number of the power supply.  You might
> > also try places such as MacResQ and PowerOn.  Oh, and the LEM list
> > Swap List.  I suspect that if you post a WTB (want to buy) to that
> > list you will get a few responses.  I find that the Swap List doesn't
> > work for me for some reason (am happily subscribed to six other LEM
> > lists) so I'm not a user.
> >
> > Jeff Walther
> 
> --
> 
> Contact me off list. We can compare notes. I think I have a PS I can
> fix you up with for postage & handling.
> 
>  Please reply
>Jim
> 
> 
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Re: mac charly

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If you ask me, Goodwill is a scam.

On 5/27/05, Jeff Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:19:40 -0400
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joey Sager)
> >Subject: Re: mac charly
> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >>>Wasn't there a Mac that had both a 68k processor for MacOS
> >>>applications, and a 486 to run PC stuff?
> >
> >>And they did it again in the PowerPC
> >>era with the 6100.
> >
> >I have one of the Apple cards in my closet.  Not sure what to do
> >  with it because it won't plug into my 6116 without that 90 degree
> >  converter.  It also hooks up to your CD-audio and (I think) it had a
> >  PC monitor output port.
> 
> The Austin Goodwill Computer Store, Computer Works, had 8 - 10 of
> those adapters in one of their bins.   But since they changed the
> format of the store so that you can't browse anything but monitors
> anymore, I don't know how you'd get one out of them now.  The answer
> to any inquiries about stuff they might have in the huge warehouse in
> the back was always, "No" with an unspoken, "and don't ask again."
> 
> I mean you could see some of the stacks of stuff through the donation
> door/loading dock or though the windowed door to the back, but when
> you asked if they had items you could see, they'd say no.  G.
> 
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Re: mac charly

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Wasn't there a Mac that had both a 68k processor for MacOS
applications, and a 486 to run PC stuff?

On 5/26/05, Gregg Eshelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- mailbox 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > i found something very odd on old-computers.com
> >
> http://www.old-computers.com/museum/photos.asp?t=1&c=282&st=1
> > apparently it was called the MacCharly and provided
> > complete Pc compatibly
> > this is certainly the oddest looking mac peripheral
> > i have ever seen
> 
> You need to set your clock on your computer.
> 
> It will be total Fandemonium!
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Re: What to do with IIcx?

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Hey, I happen to like Gorton's fish sticks... And, I'll take and use
pretty much anything that's made to available to me.

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> 
> --- Allan Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:.
> 
> > One thing I'd really like to have (again): a Mac SE
> > with a working
> > Applied Engineering 40 MHz '030 accelerator card &
> > support for 16 MB
> > of RAM.  Or, alternatively, a Mac SE with the
> > competing product of
> > its time, the DayStar Digital 50 MHz '030
> > accelerator card (and also
> > support for extra RAM but I don't remember if it was
> > for 16 or what).
> >
> > Damn, that was one sweet little "sleeper" of a
> > machine!
> > --
> > Allan Hunter
> 
> ~``
> 
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> item:
> 
> A Mac Plus Brainstorm Accelerator. It's gotta be
> installed with a soldering gun and fine work, but it's
> a dream come true a long time in the offing.
> 
> I can't wait to get emailing with it.
> 
> Hey John Snook?!  Got any spare time?..;^)
> 
> 
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Re: What to do with IIcx?

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I notice that G3 iMacs still sell for about $100 or more on eBay.

I've got a PowerMac 7100/66 with a 266MHz Sonnet Crescendo G3 upgrade.
It runs OS9, and IE5 just fine. I'd like to get Word and Excel on it
as well. Too bad OpenOffice.org only works for OS X.

My "new" computers aren't that great, either. The 7100/G3 is the
fastest Mac I have. My laptop is the only one to break 1GHz (at
3.0GHz), which I just bought a few months ago. Other than that, my
other computers are 200, 300 and 550MHz. And, I run the latest
programs without any problems.

The main problem (?) is that computers are just so damned cheap
anymore. I "affectionately" call Dell the computer of the month club,
because that's how they market their computers. I suppose Apple isn't
far behind, with the Mac mini and other systems coming down in price.

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> I need an OS 6.5 or older machine.  Got a Classic Macintosh (or II)?
> 
> Joe
> 
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> 
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> >On May 25, 2005, at 5:58 PM, NODEraser wrote:
> >
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> >> these days... Probably even G4's and other new equipment, besides old
> >> stuff that's still perfectly useable.
> >>
> >
> >I had a collection of over 200 old Macs. Last year, I gave away about
> >130 of them to a teenager in an affluent suburb. When I was unloading
> >the truck, his mom came out. I figured "uh oh, did he tell his mom this
> >was coming?" She came over and watched us unload for a few minutes,
> >then thanked me and said "He's gonna love playing with these, and it
> >will keep him off the streets." Phew!
> >
> >It's getting to the point that any beige (or should I say "platinum,"
> >since they're not really beige) Macs are hard to give away!
> >
> >I still have a boatload of compact Macs and other oddball workgroup
> >servers and other odd iterations that I'll be purging this spring, if
> >anyone's interested. I live in northeastern Illinois.
> >
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Re: What to do with IIcx?

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It absolutely makes me sick, to think of what people are throwing away
these days... Probably even G4's and other new equipment, besides old
stuff that's still perfectly useable.

On 5/25/05, Mark Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 25 May 2005, at 19:17, Allan Hunter wrote:
> 
> > Sounds similar to my model.
> >
> > Mine sits next to my work area at home, and when I want to scan
> > anything I plug it into the SCSI port of my WallStreet PowerBook.
> > Three separate color passes (loud as hell on the blue pass for
> > reasons I've never been able to figure out), built like a tank,
> > will probably last for 100 years.
> 
> Yup, i pulled mine off a municipal dump 'recycling' pile along with a
> ton of other stuff including a CD drive and a complete copy of
> Silverlining 6. Funny old world...
> 
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Re: Online With A Quadra 605

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The 605 doesn't have the built-in Ethernet adapter?

On 5/15/05, J.S. Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Recently a pair of Quadra 605s were given to me. I
> like 'em, so I refurbished them with a new (to them) 2
> GB SCSI hard disk, a 32MB stick of RAM, O.S. 7.6.1, an
> LC Asante EtherCard, Network Software version 1.4 so
> the Ethernet would work, and Netscape 4.08 for 68k
> Macs.
> 
> The hard disk was prepped with APS Tools, now known as
> Annubis CharisMac into two 1 gig drives.
> 
> It was great to put those 25mhz. 68040s  to the task.
> They'll have a guaranteed place under the desk, here,
> for a long time.
> 
> When I get two 64MB sticks of 72-pin RAM, they'll go
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Re: What to do with IIcx?

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There's an entire directory of 68k-based web servers here:
http://macintosh.luddite.ca/

I've been thinking about getting my SE to work as a web server, but
those SCSI Ethernet adapters sell for a pretty hefty price on eBay.
I've also got a Quadra 610 that's a 68k with a built-in Ethernet
connection. I think that would be easier and cheaper.

On 5/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally I would be tempted to try and find a copy of A/UX and run it on
> a ci, instead of trying to go to Linux. I have seen SE/30 Web Servers
> running MacHttp, so thats a possibility too.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> > another neat classic mac web server is the newton, here is mine
> > http://mawgadogsnewt.homeip.net:8088
> 
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Re: newbie

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Unless you happen to have a Windows server at your house, you'd also
have to buy a SCSI controller, and then an adapter to get you down to
50-pin narrow.

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Re: newbie

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Define SW Washington... I'm in Portland, and might have room for a
spare Mac. That is, if the masters of my storage space will put up
with something else in my old room.

On 4/28/05, TVirkkala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The school district in my neck of the woods...
> 
> > Yeah, I've always wondered how much good equipment gets thrown away by
> > schools, or given to recycling centers by individual users. I'm sure
> > that there are people who even recyle their "old" 3 GHz computer when
> > they buy a new 3.2GHz one.
> >
> > I've made a couple of salvages from schools and individuals, you just
> > have to know who to contact, where to look, and what questions to ask.
> 
> ...is getting rid of all their Macs. I picked up quite a few Molars last
> year, not to mention 5xx0 AIOs. (Need any 5260 boards?)
> 
> I have free 5x0s for anyone who wants to pick them up in Southwest
> Washington.
> 
> I've been able to pick computers up at auction. The school gets rid of
> them cheap. And around here, there's only a limited Mac crowd, and they
> are giving away their oldies, buying new stuff. So every year until the
> Mac supply is gone I'll have new Old Macs. I don't have much competition,
> except for those LEMlisters here whom I remember to invite to the auctions
> (last year the auction was allegedly in the paper, but I never saw it, and
> didn't know its exact time or date until a few hours before the event).
> 
> Last year the school threw away a color laserprinter that was in perfect
> shape - until it was dropped on the floor in the holding room!
> 
> Aaaargh. It seems a shame. But progress is often marked by the carcasses
> at the side of the road we travel down, pell mell. Nicely, it's just old
> equipment, not the human dead, that our society puts aside so readily in
> the course of our onward push.
> 
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Re: newbie

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Yeah, I've always wondered how much good equipment gets thrown away by
schools, or given to recycling centers by individual users. I'm sure
that there are people who even recyle their "old" 3 GHz computer when
they buy a new 3.2GHz one.

I've made a couple of salvages from schools and individuals, you just
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Re: newbie

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The 40MB hard drive I've got has the following software on it:

Finder 6.1.7
System 6.0.7
HyperCard 2.1
MS Works 2.00b
MS Word 4

If anyone is interested in it, e-mail me off list at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . I'd be willing to get it up for free (minus
shipping of course), unless you've got something to trade/offer in
return.

On 4/27/05, Manuel Marques <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oops. Well I THOUGHT there were there, but I dunno if there is an updater
> from 7.0.1 to 7.1?
> 
> 
> Manuel Marques
> http://manuelmarque.no.sapo.pt/
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Vintage Macs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> NODEraser
> Sent: quarta-feira, 27 de Abril de 2005 18:02
> To: Vintage Macs
> Subject: Re: newbie
> 
> I've found System 7.0.1 on the Apple site under English-North
> Ameirican, but no 7.1.
> 
> On 4/27/05, Arnel Tuazon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 4/27/05 3:04 AM, "Mark Benson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > It's an old and long-played out argument. Some of us prefer 7.1 because
> > > it's smaller and much faster. You can add most of 7.5.3 or later
> > > features to it without trouble (I have several OS 8.1 extensions
> > > running fine under 7.1 on my IIci) if you have both OS's to hand (and
> > > as 7.5.3 is free then you should have). 7.1 is in the long run a much
> > > more efficient system version, especially with LCIIIs having such a low
> > > RAM ceiling, and does lack the ability to run later stuff if you don't
> > > mind shuffling extensions.
> >
> > So true. I tried both OSes on my IIsi and I'll stick to 7.1.  7.5.3 just
> > slowed down the whole thing and was quirky with some programs and this was
> > with my RAM maxed to 65MB.
> >
> > > I also tend to avoid RAM Doubler, yeh sure it's a neat idea, but it
> > > also drains valuable CPU time copying back and forth from RAM to disk
> > > and back, and if you have an original spec 40MB drive then your gonna
> > > see still more reduction.
> > >
> > Also correct.  Before my 64MB upgrade I only had 16MB and I tried RAM
> > doubler (because I was cheap).  It seemed to work like a charm until I
> > noticed some educational programs tended to crash every now and then
> (they'd
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> >
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Re: newbie

[NODEraser]

Did you ever find a hard drive? I have a 40MB one laying around, I
think it was pulled from an LC or Classic II. It's even got system and
some other stuff loaded on it, but I'd have to pop it in my LC to see
exactly what.

On 4/27/05, NODEraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've found System 7.0.1 on the Apple site under English-North
> Ameirican, but no 7.1.
> 
> On 4/27/05, Arnel Tuazon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 4/27/05 3:04 AM, "Mark Benson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > It's an old and long-played out argument. Some of us prefer 7.1 because
> > > it's smaller and much faster. You can add most of 7.5.3 or later
> > > features to it without trouble (I have several OS 8.1 extensions
> > > running fine under 7.1 on my IIci) if you have both OS's to hand (and
> > > as 7.5.3 is free then you should have). 7.1 is in the long run a much
> > > more efficient system version, especially with LCIIIs having such a low
> > > RAM ceiling, and does lack the ability to run later stuff if you don't
> > > mind shuffling extensions.
> >
> > So true. I tried both OSes on my IIsi and I'll stick to 7.1.  7.5.3 just
> > slowed down the whole thing and was quirky with some programs and this was
> > with my RAM maxed to 65MB.
> >
> > > I also tend to avoid RAM Doubler, yeh sure it's a neat idea, but it
> > > also drains valuable CPU time copying back and forth from RAM to disk
> > > and back, and if you have an original spec 40MB drive then your gonna
> > > see still more reduction.
> > >
> > Also correct.  Before my 64MB upgrade I only had 16MB and I tried RAM
> > doubler (because I was cheap).  It seemed to work like a charm until I
> > noticed some educational programs tended to crash every now and then (they'd
> > simply hang).  Once I removed RAMDoubler, everything worked great again.
> >
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Re: newbie

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I've found System 7.0.1 on the Apple site under English-North
Ameirican, but no 7.1.

On 4/27/05, Arnel Tuazon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 4/27/05 3:04 AM, "Mark Benson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > It's an old and long-played out argument. Some of us prefer 7.1 because
> > it's smaller and much faster. You can add most of 7.5.3 or later
> > features to it without trouble (I have several OS 8.1 extensions
> > running fine under 7.1 on my IIci) if you have both OS's to hand (and
> > as 7.5.3 is free then you should have). 7.1 is in the long run a much
> > more efficient system version, especially with LCIIIs having such a low
> > RAM ceiling, and does lack the ability to run later stuff if you don't
> > mind shuffling extensions.
> 
> So true. I tried both OSes on my IIsi and I'll stick to 7.1.  7.5.3 just
> slowed down the whole thing and was quirky with some programs and this was
> with my RAM maxed to 65MB.
> 
> > I also tend to avoid RAM Doubler, yeh sure it's a neat idea, but it
> > also drains valuable CPU time copying back and forth from RAM to disk
> > and back, and if you have an original spec 40MB drive then your gonna
> > see still more reduction.
> >
> Also correct.  Before my 64MB upgrade I only had 16MB and I tried RAM
> doubler (because I was cheap).  It seemed to work like a charm until I
> noticed some educational programs tended to crash every now and then (they'd
> simply hang).  Once I removed RAMDoubler, everything worked great again.
> 
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Re: ROM Images?

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I have a Quadra 610 Image and a Mac LC image... I could pull my SE out
of the trunk and get an image for you...

On 4/20/05, Allan Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Any ROM image that works with Basilisk II is by definition a 68K ROM
> image.  Which ones do you already have?
> 
> I'd like a Mac SE image myself (reportedly the only one that will let
> you boot System 6 under an early version of Basilisk).  I have a IIx
> image and a Quadra 650 image.
> 
> Are you using the Aqua version of Basilisk or the X11 version?
> 
> At 9:13 AM -0400 4/20/05, Ian P. Nixon wrote:
> >I've really gotten into emulation with Mac OS X, and have a few ROM
> >images from a friend, and am using them with Basilisk II.  I was
> >curious if anyone had any 68k ROM images that I could use Basilisk
> >with...
> >
> >If not, could someone suggest a program I can use to copy the ROM
> >from a 68k Mac?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Ian
> >
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