get me the hell off this list!

[miriam clinton (iriXx)]

please take me off this list.
i have unsubscribed via the link three time to no avail.
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oi!

[miriam clinton (iriXx)]

i unsubbed from this list a week ago - both vintage macs list addresses.
is there something wrong in the system - i'm still getting messages.
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Re: ram for LC III

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hmm, i dont know if this is of any use but i grabbed some random simm 
that i had lying about and shoved it in my LC III (i think it had come 
from my desktop PC's old soundcard) and it works great. heh.

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williamd wrote:

I recently installed a 32mb EDO simm in my LC III. So far I see no ill
effects, but am wondering whether this is indeed ok? I understand some
models are not to use EDO?
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Re: A/UX

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um, i believe there used to be a link off Gamba's page somewhere

Phil Marlow wrote:

Hi.

On behalf of my friend,  does anybody have a copy of A/UX they'd mind
sending me, or know where I can get one from?
Thanks

Phil


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Re: LCII assistance

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Tom Maas wrote:

I think this may have something to do with a lamp
being broke or dirty inside the drive.
The opening of the disk is 'read' by this lamp 
and light-sensitive cell (?)
ahh, this makes some sense of a problem i'm having on both my Duo230c 
and my LC III.

i put in discs which have worked fine on PCs, and the Macs will format 
them for mac but then verify, re-verify and finally spit the disc out 
with 'initialisation failed'.

i cant seem to work out why it will accept some discs and not others.

its not saying write-protected, though.

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Re: awwww! (networking my LCIII)

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thanks heaps!

now i just have to fix my PC i think the older Apples are more 
reliable than my piece of junk pc laptop too.

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Gamba wrote:
does anyone
know an optimal way i can set up networking, with just a crossover cable
between the two machines?
This webpage might help:



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Re: printers

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sounds interesting. i dont have a printer but i've just acquired a 
scanner which i'd be happy to write about once i get it working with my 
LC III  and Duo230c. its an AVR 8000/CLX. seems to be SCSI - i have 
drivers for it as well, a friend was going to dump it in the trash.

best

m~

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Some time ago I asked wether people would be interested in writing 
profiles on apple printers in order to get some much needed resources 
about them on the Web.  The idea was born after someone had difficulties 
with a laserwriter select 310. Quite some people jumped at the 
suggestion of developing printer profiles back then.  But until now I 
have not gotten a single reaction from people wanting to contribute to 
this project.  I only got the suggestion we should also include the hp 
deskwriter series in the project. Well that is fine with me and I 
suppose anyone else on this list.

So where are the volunteers?

Marten

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awwww! (networking my LCIII)

[iriXx]

LC III's are so cute.

i finally got round to doing the job of extracting the database from my 
Duo230 and moving it onto the LCIII, where i need to transfer it by 
ethernet to my laptop and email it out to the client it belongs to.

i needed to add an ethernet card to the LCIII (which someone from the 
list very kindly sent me a long long time ago)

never lifted the lid on a mac before - always been a PC person and had 
to unscrew stuff and do things the cumbersome way.
so i got prepared with a bunch of screwdrivers.

and realised that you just unclip the lid on LC's and they just flip 
open how CUTE!

apples are so amazing for being engineer-friendly as well as user friendly.

i bunged in some RAM i had lying around while i was at it.
next job is to add some RAM to my Duo230... i havent tried lifting the 
lid on these, i wonder if they're the same?... are all Apples built so 
they just hinge or slide apart, without screws?

now i need to transfer the database to my PC - which should be okay, but 
i've never got the LC III talking to Windows XP or to Linux. in theory 
it should be okay, but i'm struggling a little with MacTCP. does anyone 
know an optimal way i can set up networking, with just a crossover cable 
between the two machines?

thankx

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slightly OT: i have a new toy too

[iriXx]

and its very scary...

i found some Furbies in the local charity shop today.

apparently they have a 6502 processor, that was used in the Apple ][, as 
well as the Vic20 and C64.

you can communicate with these things via the IR port of a laptop... but 
in windoze only as far as i've found.

what would be sooo, so cool would be to communicate with/hack a 
Furby via a vintage mac.

anyone ever tried?...

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Re: Unix O/S's for 680x0 chips.

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Debian GNU/Linux has been ported to 680x0, and theres AU/X, but i can 
never remember the complex list of what it will/won't run on. has BSD 
been ported? i'd be suirprised if it hasnt.
i've just got a 475 donated to my collection so i'm gonna give it a 
go... decisions decisions, which one of my 680x0's will i linuxify?

m~

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Heya, I've been on the list for a little while now, just generally the
quiet, observent, always listening type, blah. Anyways, was just curious
what all types of non-MacOS O/S's there is out there for 680x0
cpu's...Preferiably non-MMU based, but if it does need MMU, throw it in
anyways and mark it as an MMU one.. Mostly just wanting to see if I can
mickey mouse any other O/S's to run on Basilisk II and also I have a IIsi
and Plus I want to do something with too. Oh btw, anybody have a monitor
that I could use with the IIsi be it free or a reasonable price? Not quite
ready to buy yet--loooking around for the moment but for sure will stay in
touch if I see something that holds my interest. I also need a cord for
connecting a Mac keyboard to the IIsi, and a mouse as well.  I've also heard
rumors from my younger brother too that I could take a Cat-5 Cable that
dosn't have any RJ-45 connector ends on it, and just would have to buy a
3-row CRT connector and a 2-row variant, and can just wire up the pins from
connector to connector that way and thus be able to use a PC CRT monitor of
any size virtually.. Wouldn't mind hearing any other good theory's similar
as well, or more details on the one I just listed. Also--is there a version
of Rhapsody that runs on 680x0, and does anyone have a copy of DR2 x86 for
purchase, and/or Warez? [No, I am NOT asking you to post any warez of any
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Re: fed up rant was Re: Notes from the List Mom

[iriXx]

flawed jai was kicked off this and other lists for putting my address on
a personal spam list and continuing to send me unwanted email despite
several requests to stop doing so. It had nothing to do with an off topic
post. It had to do with spamming me after I said I would ban flawed jai

from the list if it ever happened again.

Dan the listmom


from what i've heard, it was an accidental posting too.

but we're not allowed to have accidents on Vintage-Macs - or offlist, 
for that matter!

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Re: fed up rant was Re: Notes from the List Mom

[iriXx]

Gamba wrote:

flawed jai was kicked off this and other lists for putting my address on
a personal spam list and continuing to send me unwanted email despite
several requests to stop doing so. It had nothing to do with an off topic
post. It had to do with spamming me after I said I would ban flawed jai

from the list if it ever happened again.

Dan the listmom


I guess I'm just having another one of my stupid days.
I don't understand why behavior that is completely off-list is
justification for being kicked off list(s).


well exactly. surely thats a personal matter, not a list matter. thats 
precisely the sort of thing i'm ranting about - personal issues are 
clouding professional judgement in the running of this list. and this is 
discouraging people from joining and from posting.

bw

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Re: fed up rant was Re: Notes from the List Mom

[iriXx]

Dan Knight wrote:


Don't have a cow, iriXx (do you expect us to capitalize that in the way 
you like, BTW?). Using MAC, MHZ, ram, or other typos is not grounds for 
banning. I'm just pointing out that they are often used incorrectly on 
these lists -- and educating subscribers about correct usage.
i'm quite used to people spelling my name as Irixx, irixx and irixX,
and i at least excuse them on the grounds of human fallibility - 
something which doesnt seem to exist on this list.

flawed jai was kicked off this and other lists for putting my address on 
a personal spam list and continuing to send me unwanted email despite 
several requests to stop doing so. It had nothing to do with an off topic 
post. It had to do with spamming me after I said I would ban flawed jai 
from the list if it ever happened again.
oh right, so you kicked her off the list for personal reasons? thats 
highly unprofessional.

i've been asked to forward to the list a paragraph i wrote to someone 
offlist regarding personal issues clouding professional judgement in 
kicking flawed jai out. i'll do so in a second.


Perhaps we should ask for five reasons to keep someone on the list who 
seems to be too lazy to use the shift key
that would just suit your pettiness, wouldnt it?

five reasons to kick off an artist and writer who writes in all 
lower-case letters for artistic reasons.

you'd probably kick off famous Mac user and musician 'NN' for her use of 
the exclaimation mark in place of the letter 'i'. personally, i call 
that character.

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Re: fed up rant was Re: Notes from the List Mom

[iriXx]

now this is just the sort of pettiness i mean
and personal pettiness too - you quoted a hell of a lot of my post, too.
all i'm asking is for you guys to be human, but that seems too much to ask.

Dan Knight wrote:
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Thanks for posting to the list.

Please be careful not to quote *too much* of the original message (your 
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Thanks!

On 7/23/03 10:02 PM, iriXx posted:


i'm sorry, but while i do appreciate the time you and our list nanny put 
in to maintaining these lists, i'm getting really fed up at the 
childishness and unneccessarily heavy handed discipline.

even a parent knows that one must let go and trust a little for a child to 
grow - thinking of the lists as your children. overdiscipline just makes 
for rebellion and anger, and i've observed that happening over the last 
few months too.

its got to the point where i dare not post for fear of making some kind of 
tiny typo which becomes a disciplinary matter - and yes, i quite often 
type ram instead of RAM, because i type all in lower case letters, and i 
think everyone knows damn well what i'm on about. am i to be suspended for 
doing so? thats what i wonder, when i read this latest series of notes.

i was also made aware that flawed jai, a valuable contributor to this 
list, was kicked off because of an accidental off topic post. this is 
ridiculous! you guys are worse than the RIAA! 

as you've now effectively killed off all the character on this list by 
kicking off members one by one, i'm finding less and less reason to read 
this increasingly pedantic tripe. i'm very tempted to unsubscribe.. now 
give me five reasons i should stay and none of them should be spelt with 
capitals.

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fed up rant was Re: Notes from the List Mom

[iriXx]

i'm sorry, but while i do appreciate the time you and our list nanny put in to 
maintaining these lists, i'm getting really fed up at the childishness and 
unneccessarily heavy handed discipline.

even a parent knows that one must let go and trust a little for a child to grow - 
thinking of the lists as your children. overdiscipline just makes for rebellion and 
anger, and i've observed that happening over the last few months too.

its got to the point where i dare not post for fear of making some kind of tiny typo 
which becomes a disciplinary matter - and yes, i quite often type ram instead of RAM, 
because i type all in lower case letters, and i think everyone knows damn well what 
i'm on about. am i to be suspended for doing so? thats what i wonder, when i read this 
latest series of notes.

i was also made aware that flawed jai, a valuable contributor to this list, was kicked 
off because of an accidental off topic post. this is ridiculous! you guys are worse 
than the RIAA! 

as you've now effectively killed off all the character on this list by kicking off 
members one by one, i'm finding less and less reason to read this increasingly 
pedantic tripe. i'm very tempted to unsubscribe.. now give me five reasons i should 
stay and none of them should be spelt with capitals.

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> 
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Re: I got a Mac prototype yesterday. :)

[iriXx]

Gregg Eshelman wrote:

How busy is the Duo mailing list? :)



is there a duo mailing list? i wasnt aware of this... i've also got a 
Duo 230

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Re: Virus SPAM?

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that one's been doing the rounds, im not even sure its a virus or 
whether its just plain spam. MS has information on their website about 
it (i think on the front page of www.microsoft.com)

bw
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> Anyone else getting  a bunch of PC virus SPAM (152K attachments) 
> posing as Microsoft software updates?   I'm trying to figure out if 
> the infected  source is someone on this list.   It would probably 
> have to be a PC user.The attachments are named either 
> "Update.exe" or "q.exe", where q... is a q followed by a 
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Re: idiots guide to AppleTalk

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the pickle wrote:
> At 12:27 + on 27/03/03, iriXx wrote:
> 
> 
>>am about to bravely attempt to appletalk my 68k macs to each other, and
>>then to my Linux-based network. are there any idiots guides out there to
>>appletalking multiple platforms?
> 
> 
> Three Macs and a Printer is pretty good.  AppleTalk on the Mac is basically
> plug-n-play, and it's well-documented on Linux, though certainly not *as*
> simple.

thanks. yeah, i was checking 3 macs and a printer, and the other refs on 
  the faq, which will certainly get me going for wiring my 2 macs 
together, the difficulty comes with the linux netatalk stuff, i've had 
very variable results with it (and im much better at linux networking 
than anything else!). worked beautifully talking to a G3 Powerbook, cant 
get it working at all with a G4 desktop. havent tried the 68ks yet but 
im fairly sure its going to be interesting...


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hi

am about to bravely attempt to appletalk my 68k macs to each other, and 
then to my Linux-based network. are there any idiots guides out there to 
appletalking multiple platforms?

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Re: This is my end... for now...

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i'm sorry to see you go,

peace

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> I'm afraid that the recent weeks on LEM have been fairly harrowing for 
> me personally. I have more or less discovered that my heart is no 
> longer in it and my mindset is no longer correct. Therefore I feel I 
> have no option, in order to relieve me from what has become a wretched 
> task of filtering out and marking 'read' all the LEM List mail i get 
> without so much as reading it. I am resigning from my post as the List 
> Nanny of Vintage Macs, and leaving all the lists except Mac-UK. I have 
> made some great friends through the years on LEM, but also seem to have 
> made a few most unsavory enemies.
> 
> For everyone's information this stand-down does not indicate anything 
> about my intents or loyalties, I'm simply depressed with the way things 
> have got on the lists and don't want the stress or hassle. I hope to 
> god the relevant folks around here come to to their senses (however 
> needs to) and sort out the mess once and for all.
> 
> I might return one day, when i don't have an answer to a question, but 
> in the mean time I'm gone. I'll still be around on the scene, and 
> indeed will continue to work on a new site for 68k Mac ppl. As they 
> say, "if you need me, you know where I am". I thank those that have 
> stood with me for the journey for their friendship and trust and I hope 
> I can keep in touch with most of you. As for those who caused trouble 
> or made my and other people's life hard, I hope your happy.
> 
> Remember the old quote Steve Jobs took from Dylan at the 1984 
> shareholders meeting, it's become a bit of a guide to my life:
> 
> "Come writers and critics
>   Who prophesize with your pen
>   And keep your eyes wide
>   The chance won't come again
>   And don't speak too soon
>   For the wheel's still in spin
>   And there's no tellin' who
>   That it's namin'.
>   For the loser now
>   Will be later to win
>   For the times they are a-changin'"
> 
> Goodbye. Stay well, and god-speed.
> 
> Special->Shutdown.
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> Goodbye.
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Re: A thick ear Was: W**** *** K**

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Robert Gray wrote:
> At 19:33:26 -0400 on 3/5/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> 
>>What is "a thick ear and 1000 lines"?
> 
> 
> Probably something British.   :-)

it sure is.

a clip around the ear is a thick ear
1000 lines is what you have to write in school if you get detention

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Re: A general tip on posting URLs-> except with microsoft

[iriXx]

strangely the trick doesnt seem to work on netscrape 7 either

Paul Stamsen wrote:
> I have just been given to understand the microsoft e-mailer does not 
> observe this convention. Pity.
> 
> 
> At 8:02 +, 2/17/03,  out of the ether,  it was  observed:
> 
>>  I think your links are ok but in OE they take two lines.  The first 
>> half of
>>  the link (the top line) is a hyperlink but the second half of the 
>> link (the
>>  second line) is in ordinary text which a browser will not recognise.
>>
>>  In my OE your links look like this
>>
>>  http://www.applefritter.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/
>>  YaBB.pl?board=powercc;action=display;num=1044807145
> 
> 
>  As a reminder,
> 
>  If you remember to add < and > both before and after the URL, it will 
> hang together, thus:
> <http://www.applefritter.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/ 
> YaBB.pl?board=powercc;action=display;num=1044807145>
>  regardless of the line length set by your e-mailer and regardless of 
> which e-mailer you use.
> 
> It's just a nagging detail, but it does help everyone, especially the 
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OT - turn your windows machine into a mac!!!

[iriXx]

hi all

dont know if anyone's interested in this but its a bit of fun
discovered i can skin my windows machines to look like system 7 mac...
www.stardock.net has WindowsBlinds, then you get a theme from 
www.wincustomize.com ... (free downloads)...

just a bit of fun

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Re: not a newbie btw.

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Cameron Kaiser wrote:

> Why not try NetBSD?
> 
>   http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/mac68k/
> 
> I don't think the Duo is supported, but the LC3 is. It's much more mature
> than Linux on the Mac68k -- it's been around since the early 1990s when it
> started as MacBSD.

can you actually still get copies of MacBSD?
i've got lots of intel linux boxen havent tried BSD yet, but its 
probably more for one of my dumpster intels... i'm trying to keep the 
Macs to mac-related OS's - hence my interest in A/UX... but MacBSD sure 
would be cute on my LC III

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Re: that indigo: wowwwww

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awww wow... thanx :) yeah its my dream machine, i've wanted one for ages...
its gonna be my server here, and wireless node... 32 grand ... whoaaa... 
i know they're expensive but i didnt know it would have been that much! 
used to be a mailserver at my friend's work...
macs are cute, thats why i collect them, but sgi's just are so sexy 
:).
you've got 10 thousand dollar IIfx's.. wow i didnt know they cost that 
much new!
i'm still in awe that the same friend found himself a working Lisa in 
the same dumpster tho!!! he has a 'museum' of rare machines...
i keep encouraging him that it should be a public exhibition...
m~

flawed jai wrote:
> i had never heard of it before. i tucked away from the list and did a
> fast search and  took a look at the outside,  and then the architecture
> inside.
> 
> o 
> 
> 
> what really got me was the special 3d glasses you can plug in.
> 
> you know what that beauttiful tower went for,  new. that your friend
> found in the dumpster for you?
> 
> 32 thousand dollars.
> 
> i bow down. i thought i had some kinda suh--unh with my ten thousand
> dollar IIfx's, but baby, i bow down. you win.
> 
> janet
> 
> 
> http://community.webtv.net/mensabrains/BADCODE
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Re: 68k linux on LC040 Re: not a newbie btw.

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> I know for a fact BSD will run until it encounters an FPU call then it 
> Kernel Panics and dies. :)
> 
> I don't know if Linux has a work round for it.
> 

probably if there isnt, if you post to usenet at linux.debian.68k or 
somewhere - or even the kernel developers list, linux.kernel, they might
well cook up a work around... i know alan cox was involved in the 68k mac
kernel development for some time, and he's 2nd in command to linus 
torvalds.
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Re: Dumpster diving! Re: not a newbie btw.

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Gregg Eshelman wrote:

> G THREW AWAY an R4000 Indigo??? Baka!
> 
> So what if it is around 10 years old.

... oh yeah...

the other thing he found in their dump a few years back
a working apple Lisa... !!!
he's the only person i've met who has one...

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Re: Dumpster diving! Re: not a newbie btw.

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Gregg Eshelman wrote:

> G THREW AWAY an R4000 Indigo??? Baka!
> 
> So what if it is around 10 years old.

exactly... they are beautiful machines

they actually threw away three!!! but my friend rescued them, said the 
internals were badly damaged on the others..

i have always wanted one of these... why else would i use the nickname 
iriXx :-)

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Re: 68k linux on LC040 Re: not a newbie btw.

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Gregg Eshelman wrote:

> While it can be compiled to run on an LC040, it only
> works on some of them. I bet what the deal is the
> ones it won't run on are actually full 040 chips that
> the FPU failed testing before being placed into the
> CPU package so they went in to the rework department
> to be "lobotomized" by having the FPU disabled. Then
> later when Apple started buying so many LC040 chips
> it was profitable for Motorola to specially design
> one with no FPU at all.
> 
> That's what Intel did with their 486SX. :)

its also what they did with their Celeron Mendoncino 300Mhz chips...
i have one - its a lobotomized pentium II, and you can overclock it to 
tremendous speeds :)

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Re: not a newbie btw.

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Mark Benson wrote:

>>can you put A/UX on to a flat pac mac?...
> 
> 
> Narr... damn annoying it is too. It won't run on AV Quardas either 
> which is equally annoying as they are about the fastest 68k Macs about, 
> well the 840av certainly is, the 660av certainly runs faster than the 
> LC475 in 8.1.

yeah... dang shame that, i bet it would rock on one of them

>>i was under the impression i'd need something a little more powerful...
>>thats why i havent tried it yet
> 
> 
> It runs well on an 030, even the SE/30. I have run it on a IIci quite 
> successfully. Now what I REALLY want is a version of A/UX that'll run 
> on a 7100/80, that'd really confuse the nutz off people who see my 
> 7100cx :D. I am most likely going to put BSD on one on my 475s and 
> Linux on my 7100cx.

right... i wonder, would it run on a Powerbook Duo230? that is my other 
machine at the moment - i have it and a LC III, i've thought about 
putting Linux on them but im really more inclined to stick with the 
Apple OS's - i've got enough linux boxen as it is! :-)

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Re: not a newbie btw.

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Mark Benson wrote:

>>Not only that, but I quite literally found it on the side of the road.
> 
> 
> I got 14 LCs, a IIcx, a 660av and a 7100 LoBo (now in the IIcx) all for 
> GBP40 (which was mostly for the 660av) + GBP13.50 carriage.

i met someone last night who told me they had 20 LCs thrown away in 
their dumpster last week... sadly he couldnt carry them :(... although 
he did retrieve me something i've always wanted - a R4000 SGI Indigo...

*sigh*

i cant believe places do this...

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Re: not a newbie btw.

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Steve Conrad wrote:
> Of course, then you get into the "Should I try Linux or MacOS on 'em for
> that..."
> 
> -> Be a masochist and do it with A/UX  :P

can you put A/UX on to a flat pac mac?...
i was under the impression i'd need something a little more powerful... 
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Re: MOMMMM!, pickle's bullying the newbies again!

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ok case closed on my behalf too.
forgive me but there will be one more reply through from me as i read it 
before i got to this posting.
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Mark Benson wrote:
>  
> I have told you all too many times that stuff like this should be handled OFF LIST!
> 
> Do so or anyone posting to this thread or the 'My Lil LC to Pickle' thread will be 
>banned for 72 hours without prior warning. I'm fed up with this happeneing every time 
>someone gets upset.
> 
> As for 'pickle' watch it. The thin ice you were standing on is showing signs of 
>cracking. I have no quarms about you recommending reading the FAQ, which is a fine 
>tome of information, but trying to force people to read it is not done. Free speech 
>rules and all that. The fact that Dan can't print it in 72point text and spray paint 
>it on the back of everyones hands is something you wil just have to come to terms 
>with.
> 
> Sorry if this sounds like swinging a big hammer. I think I'm having a Steve Jobs 
>momenent. I'm sure you can understand what I am saying.
> 
> This thread and the 'My Lil LC to Pickle' thread are both closed as of now. Any 
>complkaints about members should be sent to me Off-List.
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Re: Netiquette Was: My lil' LC to the Pickle

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Robert Gray wrote:
>>This was , or I thought, a matter between [someone] and myself.
> 
> 
> Wrong thinking.  Place it in the public, it becomes a public matter. 
> ANY message directed to one person rather than of interest to the 
> entire membership doesn't belong here.  Take it off-list.  I suppose 
> that includes the nanny's message informing me that my posting 
> privileges have been suspended.   :-(

it becomes a list concern when the attitude displayed is so off-putting 
that other list members dont feel like reading the list anymore. i'm not 
concerned about the original debate, what i'm concerned about is that 
i'm becoming increasingly reluctant to post anything to this list for 
fear of having my head bitten off.

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Re: MOMMMM!, pickle's bullying the newbies again!

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flawed jai wrote:

> seriously. go take that hot tub.  if you focus too much on terrorists,
> you just take to terrorizing others, yourself.
> 
> nobody can say you don't earn your nickname, every day. bitter, sour,
> biting and tart. go marinate in a tub of hot brine and let it all go.
> maybe in tahiti.

well said.

its not just putting off newbies - its putting regular readers like me 
off reading the list, because all i get is an inbox full of vitriol. i 
nearly unsubbed last night instead of writing back about this issue, 
because i'd just had enough of collecting this kinda crap in my inbox 
instead of reading about Macs!!!

> http://community.webtv.net/mensabrains/BADCODE

hehehehehehee i *love* that page

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Re: My lil' LC to the Pickle

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the pickle wrote:

> As I said.
> 
> If you're too good to follow common netiquette, that's your own problem.  Don't
> make it mine.

oh i'm not, but you seem to be doing a good job of making it into your 
own problem.

listmom - do you have anything to say on this matter?
its not the first totally unnecessary row i've read on this list in the 
last couple of months and im rapidly getting put off receiving this sort 
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Re: My lil' LC to the Pickle

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that sort of attitude is rapidly putting me off reading this list.
just wait and think a minute before you tear into someone, about how 
many other readers and/or lurkers might be put off this list by your 
attitude. i've sat and watched this for several months now and each time 
i see outbursts like this i become more discouraged and disinterested. 
some time ago i used to be an active member of this list, now i just 
lurk and wonder why im accumulating such vitriolic emails instead of 
unsubbing.

back into lurkdom

m~


> Nah, but you weren't literally deluged with links to the FAQ either...oh, wait,
> I forgot...
> 
> Every list post footer has it.
> Every list welcome message has it, or don't you bother reading those?
> The list home page on LEM has it and specifically requests new listers look
> there first.  It even has the search box right on the page.
> Every message I send to the list has it in my sig file.
> 
> If you're too good to do the reading that everyone else joining the list is
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Re: "Before you install"-- LOL

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heh thats sweet
i wonder what happens if you want to install system 7 on the 4th Feb of 
this year?

m~

Alan O'Neil wrote:
> Hah! I just have to share this with someone. I was running the "Before you
> install" program included with system 7.1.1 pro just for fun and found this
> silly little tidbit. It seems even though our older Macs are Y2K compliant,
> it seems that this compatibility program is not!
> 
> And I quote:
> "
> Steps you should take after installing System 7 Pro
> Change the date on your Macintosh.
> Your computer's calendar is set to 2/4/3 which is incorrect.  Use the
> General Controls panel to set the correct date and time.
> "
> 
> Hah! Imagine that! Presuming to know what dates are correct and incorrect!
> The nerve of those programmers! I mean, talk about encouraging people to
> upgrade before their stuff is truly outdated! BTW, this was on a Quadra
> 605.
> "We're sorry sir, but using your computer for time travel is not covered
> under extended AppleCare. Please return to the timeframe this software was
> made in order to run it without problems. We never thought that people
> would still be using these things after three years anyway."
> 
> --
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> My dual-monitor Mac cost over $8,000 new! HAH!
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Re: vintage macs in movies

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doh, no sorry... forgot to double check...
Acid Burn's computer i think was a 180c - active matrix colour screen.
the date is about right too, i believe Hackers was released in 1995, 
which would put its production dates around the release time of the 
180c it has proprietary modem slot according to the specs on 
lowendmac.com too, so this would fit her description of the machine
better go back to the movie & check tho ;-)

anyone care to debate? :)

m~

Terry Ovans wrote:
> We have an on-going discussion here and hope that someone out there can help us 
>solve a couple of arguments.  1) What computer is Matthew Broderick using at home 
>when he hacks into the NORAD? computer.  2) What computer is sitting on the desk at 
>the NORAD office when he tries to stop Joshua?
>3) What computer is Zero Cool using when he checks out Acid Burn's "new" 
>computer in the movie Hackers?  We are trying to set up a vintage mac trivia to put 
>on my web page and need some serious help!  Thanks for whatever help you can provide.
> 
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Re: vintage macs in movies

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oh this is fun... yeah, i'd love to see your page, i'm following this 
sort of thing myself

Terry Ovans wrote:
  3) What computer is Zero Cool using when he checks out Acid Burn's 
"new" computer in the movie Hackers?  We are trying to set up a vintage 
mac trivia to put on my web page and need some serious help!  Thanks for 
whatever help you can provide.

now this one i did figure out... i think i decided it must be a 
Powerbook 170, because they were raving about the 'active matrix' screen 
and it was the first to have one
i'm new to this tho, so the expert 'spotters' might like to disagree 
with me ;-) i'd need to check the modem too, apparently in the movie it 
had a 28.8 modem from what i remember (will have to go watch my copy of 
Hackers again :-)... did the PB 170 support 28.8?...

another interesting thing to note in 'Hackers' is that the good guys, 
the hackers, use macs, and the bad guys use PCs!!!

there are several macs on this, the ones i'm trying to figure out are 
Zero cool's home computer, and the Phreak's computer

the hacking scene in Central Station uses *tons* of original Powerbooks 
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Re: holiday viewing....

[iriXx]

oh great! have to check it, i never saw it as a kid!!!

interesting thing about Hackers, as far as i can see, is the good guys, 
the hackers, all use mac powerbooks - 180s, i think, and an LC III in 
there somethwere too and one powerbook with a really neat clear case 
mod...
whereas the bad guys all use PCs... ;-)

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> Of course for real vintage (not even a Mac but an Apple (IIe?)) watch
> Wargames with Mathew Broderick.  It's even hooked up to those ancient modems
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>>iriXx wrote:
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>>>just saw 'Hackers' on reccomendation of a friend
>>>didnt realise it was a major vintage-mac film
>>>lots of lovely early powerbooks, and one gorgeous spray-paint case mod!
>>>
>>>gotta watch again and see if i can identify more specific machines.. :)
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>For another oldie, the "Net" also is full of Macs
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holiday viewing....

[iriXx]

oh cool
probably you all know about this one but...

just saw 'Hackers' on reccomendation of a friend
didnt realise it was a major vintage-mac film
lots of lovely early powerbooks, and one gorgeous spray-paint case mod!

gotta watch again and see if i can identify more specific machines.. :)

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