Heartbroken over my IIci

[Jason Trunzo]

Hi There,

I am trying to find answers about my IIci.  I want to get it up and 
running, and utilize it as an email server on my home network.  I 
also have a functioning IIsi, a non functioning IIsi, a 7200/90, a 
Duo230 and DuoDock, a 7500 with a Crscendo G3 card in it, a Qudra 605 
and lots of SCSI HD's, phone net connector boxes and a couple of 
ethernet cards (for the IIsi, I need one for my IIci)  So I have 
plans for all these machines, but the IIci is where I'm stuck.

When I boot the machine I get the chime of death, and I can't figure 
out why.  The cache card is securely seated, the ROM switch is 
correctly jumped (I think), the RAM is all good (pretty sure, buy 
I've tried swapping it out and no change), the HD is good, I can't 
figure it out?!

I should mention that the machine was working when I aquired it a 
month ago.  I brought it home, hooked it up and it powered up and 
gave me system 7.1 with installs of Photoshop 3 and Illustrator 6, 
QuarkXpress and some other decidedly mac software.  I moved some 
stuff around, archived the HD to zip disks, then pulled it out and 
put in a bigger 80meg drive.  This drive has 7.5.5 on it and it 
booted once fine.  The second time I powered up I got the chime of 
death and that has been the story since.  What the heck happened?  I 
have tried everything I know how to do and nothing has changed.

If anybody knows what I can do to get my awesome NuBus machine 
working again, please help.  I really want to put this old machine 
back into service.  It would break my heart to part it out or sell it.


Thanks for any help!
-- 
Jason Trunzo
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Re: Heartbroken over my IIci

[Gamba]

>When I boot the machine I get the chime of death, and I can't figure out why
>RAM is all good (pretty sure, buy I've tried swapping it out and no change),
>then pulled it out and put in a bigger 80meg drive.
-- Jason Trunzo

Did you remove the power supply when you changed HDs?
Maybe it's not reseated good enough.

I can't think of anything else.
Chimes of death are usually bad RAM.
I would put it back all the way to what it was before you made any changes
and go from there.

Gamba




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Re: Heartbroken over my IIci

[Jason Trunzo]

>  >When I boot the machine I get the chime of death, and I can't figure out why
>>RAM is all good (pretty sure, buy I've tried swapping it out and no change),
>>then pulled it out and put in a bigger 80meg drive.
>-- Jason Trunzo
>
>Did you remove the power supply when you changed HDs?
>Maybe it's not reseated good enough.
>
>I can't think of anything else.
>Chimes of death are usually bad RAM.
>I would put it back all the way to what it was before you made any changes
>and go from there.
>
>Gamba
>

Maybe it is the RAM,  but how could it have gone bad from one power 
up to the next?  Where can I get a 32meg set of chips for this 
machine? I'll try to put a new set in and see if that solves the 
problem if it seems the likely culprit.
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Re: Heartbroken over my IIci

[jsoderlund]

>>Maybe it is the RAM,  but how could it have gone bad from one power
>>up to the next?

You could have a stick that will not seat the way it should. On myIIci if i
move the box to hard it will hang on start up. I have found that one stick
moves and i need to push it back in to place, good to go.

jeff



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Re: Heartbroken over my IIci

[Gamba]

>Where can I get a 32meg set of chips for this machine?
-- Jason Trunzo

32M is 8 sticks of 4 each.
Just pick 4 at random and put them in Bank A.
If it still death chimes replace them with other 4,
yada, yada, yada.

You might try swapping the HD ribbon cable.
Although I don't know for a fact that it would cause death chimes it's
still worth checking, because it's been messed with.

Gamba




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Re: Heartbroken over my IIci

[Steven]

I got my first chime of death today...sounded really cool.  This is why I
got it (probably does not apply to you).  BTW, I have a Performa 6320.
Works fine now.

I had removed my CD Burner (SCSI) to try to install on my PC.  At this
point, I only had 1 SCSI device left, the scanner.  I tried to use it, it
froze up, when I went to re-boot, I didn't get the smiley face, when I did
the manual reboot (light apple-control-power), I got the deadly chime.  This
is when I realized that I did not terminate my SCSI chain.  Now that the
scanner is terminated, everything works A-OK.

HTH

Steven
> When I boot the machine I get the chime of death, and I can't figure
> out why.  The cache card is securely seated, the ROM switch is
> correctly jumped (I think), the RAM is all good (pretty sure, buy
> I've tried swapping it out and no change), the HD is good, I can't
> figure it out?!
>



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Re: Heartbroken over my IIci

[Jason Trunzo]

>  >>What the heck happened?  I
>have tried everything I know how to do and nothing has changed.<<
>
>Pull the cache card and see what happens.  One of my IIci's had a cache
>card die, and had these symptoms until I pulled the card.
>
>Donn
>
  I pulled the cache card and still get the death chimes...I'm 
beginning to think the RAM is bad.
Any more ideas out there?   Anyone have some RAM for sale?  I want to 
put 32mb in this machine.
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Re: Heartbroken over my IIci

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Jason Trunzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   I pulled the cache card and still get the death
> chimes...I'm 
> beginning to think the RAM is bad.
> Any more ideas out there?   Anyone have some RAM for
> sale?  I want to 
> put 32mb in this machine.

Does your IIci have plastic or metal SIMM clips?
If all your SIMMs are not physically identical,
you should be able to sort out four that are, if
you have four that are. ;)

Each bank must have four SIMMs of identical capacity
or the Mac will not boot.

This is where an old 386SX comes in handy for testing
30 pin SIMMs.

I always kept one of those motherboards and an old
ISA videocard handy because they only needed two
SIMMs to work. That makes it much easier to sort
bad from good and sizes than trying to do it with
a 486 or a Mac that uses a minimum of four 30pinners.

Has to be a 386SX because the regular 386 or 386DX
requires 4 SIMMs. A 486SLC will also work because
those are basically a 486 stripped down to fit
the 16 bit CPU bus of the 386SX which itself was
a full 32bit 386 stripped down to squeeze more life
out of components designed for the 286 CPUs.
(People who were _really_ strapped for cash used to
try plugging 486SLC2 chips into their 286 boxes.
It worked about 85% of the time. ;-) 24Mhz "486"!)

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Healed My IIci! (Heartbroken over my IIci epilogue)

[Jason Trunzo]

Hey Evrybody!  Thanks for all the help!

This is what I  have done:

I put an 80meg hard drive in,   replaced the ribbon cable with one 
from a IIsi, put in new RAM (but it's not enough!   I wanted 32megs 
instead I have 16 - or 4 sticks of 4 each..all my 1meg sticks were 
bad and I don't have any more 4meggers) blew all the dust bunnies 
away, hooked it up to a voltage regulator, powered up and.HAVE MY 
IIci BACK!

The ribbon was bad, and so was the RAM

Thanks for your help!

I need some 4meg sticks, anybody got some?  I need 8 so I can have 32 
megs in this machine and 16 for my IIsi.

Thanks again everybody!

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