Re: my stash of Macs

2001-07-27 Thread Galen Tatsuo Komatsu

 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:25:57 -1000
 From: Nick Canterucci [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Always interesting to see other forum members
 collection of Macs..Here's mine  [list deleted]

LC
Performa 467
Quadra 630
Power Book 180c
Color Classic  dead =^(
Power Mac 5400
Bandai Pippin

The first three are actually up for sale, and after several
months, I think I got my dream call earlier this evening.  The
caller was definitely interested in one I had advertised, and when
she found out I was advertising more than one,  said I'll take two!
...the dining room table may actually see daylight once again, at
least until I pick up a IIci to play with. =^)


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Re: Bin files. Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

2001-07-27 Thread Mike Evans

I never managed to install Open Transport on my LC (via the copy in System
7.5.3 Installer or via an OT Installer (1.1.1 and 1.1.2) on its own). Maybe
an earlier version than OT1.1 will work on LC's, but I had no luck with
version 1.1.1 or 1.1.2.
Actually, to clarify, it was worse than that, in that the LC had a processor
upgrade card (Sonnet Allegro 030 33MHz), which the OT Installers couldn't
'see'. The Installer just said you need an 030 processor or higher to run
this software or something like that.
Kind of presumed when I bought the card  that it wld allow me into a
wonderful new world of speed and stability, using stuff like OT,  but,
oh well, now I know different. I'm never quite sure if the card is working
at all, actually. 'Clockometer' shows it as running at 33MHz, so I guess it
must be... but it still seems that my IIci (030 25 MHz) might be faster
(although it does have an FPU... that must help).
I searched the Internet q a lot but never found any info on how to make the
OT Installer recognize the 030... Anyone had any experience with these
cards?
Mike
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Date:   Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:12:31 +0200
From:   Marten van de Kraats [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject:Re: Bin files. Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]


And, um, doesn't Open Transport require at least an
030 CPU? Or have I forgotten something? Haven't
ever actually used a Mac II or LC and the only 68000
based Mac I've used was a Classic with a bad HD.
Everything else has sported an 030 and newer.

68020 is minumum for OT.
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Date:   Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:38:55 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject:Re: Bin files. Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]


--- Marten van de Kraats [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 
 And, um, doesn't Open Transport require at least an
 030 CPU? Or have I forgotten something? Haven't
 ever actually used a Mac II or LC and the only
 68000
 based Mac I've used was a Classic with a bad HD.
 Everything else has sported an 030 and newer.
 
 68020 is minumum for OT.

Good. It will work on that guy's LC then. :)




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Re: My Stash of Macs

2001-07-27 Thread Tracy Keirns

on 7/27/01 10:51 AM, (Vintage Macs) at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Always interesting to see other forum members
 collection of Macs..Here's mine

Well, I guess it's my turn to list my Macs.

Apple //c
Apple //e
Apple //gs

Mac SE (8)
Mac SE FD/HD dual disk no hard drive
Mac Classic (3)
Mac Classic II (2)

Mac LC
Mac LC II
Mac LC III
Mac LC 475

Mac IIvx

Performa 6360

PowerBook 5300

iMac (now used by my mother)

PowerMac G4 400mhz

in addition to those, I also have Macs in my classroom:
4 5500's and an iMac that belong to the school

Not a bad collection for someone that started with the Mac about 4 years
ago! ;)

Tracy


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Re: My Stash of Macs

2001-07-27 Thread Matthew Styles

Hello,

My turn :)

Mac 512k
Mac Plus x 4
Mac SE dual floppy with hard drive
Mac SE single floppy with hard drive
Mac SE/30 x 2 *
Mac Classic x 6 *
Mac Classic 2 x 4
Mac Colour Classic
Mac II x 4
Mac IIci
Mac IIcx
Mac IIsi
Mac LC
Mac LCII x 4 *
Mac LC475
Mac LC575 x 4 *
Mac Centris 650
Power Mac 6100/60 x 2 *
Power Mac 6100/66 x 4 *
Power Mac 7100/80AV *
Power Mac 6360/160 *
Power Mac 7200/120

OT:

Apple IIe x 3 *

* denotes one or more are for sale at
http://www.geocities.com/appleequipment

:)
Matt.


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Re: My Stash of Macs

2001-07-27 Thread Steve Conrad

 Mac SE dual floppy With HD?
 OK, never seen one. I have an SE (single floppy w/HD) and an SE FDHD (dual
 floppy). I assume its an external HD?

No, dual internal floppy and internal HD. It had a bright purple bracket in
it that looked as if it was home made, but I found another more
professionally made bracket and now it looks just like something Apple would
have shipped.


Ahhh, a home made job!
Must make for some fun computing time :)

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Re: My Stash of Macs

2001-07-27 Thread Cameron Kaiser

Just a small collection, myself.

Plus (it just plays Zero Gravity!)
SE/30
two IIcis, one stock with standard L2 cache, one w/50MHz Daystar '030 + FPU
IIsi, one almost in 100% condition + FPU, one totally stripped
Power Mac 7300 w/G3 500/1MB/225 (soon)
Apple Network Server 500/200 

and a token Apple IIgs that netboots from the SE/30.

Actually, I'm a much bigger Commodore nut than Apple nut. A C128DCR sits
next to the 7300, and that's just for openers.

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Re: My Stash of Macs

2001-07-27 Thread Gregg Eshelman

My list is incredibly short and easy.

One IIci with DayStar Turbo 601 and 80 megs RAM.

One Radius 81/110 with a paltry 56 megs RAM.

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Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

2001-07-26 Thread Marten van de Kraats

  
  Absolutely i'd love to have the 7.5.5 update on floppy disks know where I
  can get em?

Navigating through Apple's new and improved support/software section
of their website is a real hair-puller, but you'd eventually wind up here:
http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html
The System 7.5.5 Update is a three-disk download.

Stuff like this is still within easy reach at ftp.apple.com. You 
really don't need that new and improved page for older software.
BTW, considering we are talking about a LC I would not install 
anything newer than 7.1 and preferably even something older (the FAQ 
will tell you what would be the best). LC's are slow and crippled 
68020's.
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Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

2001-07-26 Thread RomRider

Now on to my next small probem, the three disk update floppies are
.sea.bin files which when I download through my PC get mangled as many
people have told me before... anyone willing to convert them to .HQX files
for me so I can bring them down to floppies using my PC then transfer them
to my mac via the PeeSea?  my mac does not yet have any access to the
network because macTCP does not seem to be able to use shaw@home's DHCP...


 Navigating through Apple's new and improved support/software section
 of their website is a real hair-puller, but you'd eventually wind up here:
 http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html
 The System 7.5.5 Update is a three-disk download.

 BTW, the Apple System 7.5.3 set is 19 disks, plus the three 7.5.5 Update
 disks, for a total of 22 disks.  And no, I don't want to sell the Update
 disks separately.  Did you get the PayPal EFT done, or do you want to
 pay with M.O.?




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Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

2001-07-26 Thread Gregg Eshelman

--- RomRider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 it's got all 10 megs of ram in it and seems to run
 7.5.3 very well... I only
 want to update to 7.5.5 so I can get open transport
 going since I can't
 figure out how to get it on the net using DHCP and
 my cablemodem...

You DON'T NEED 7.5.x to run Open Transport. Go to
http://devworld.apple.com/sdk and download then
install Drag Manager, Thread Manager and SFM 68k.
Then get Open Transport 1.1.1 AND 1.1.2 from Apple's
FTP site. Install 1.1.1 then immediately after
rebooting, install 1.1.2. You'll also want to replace
the 7.1 Finder with Finder 7.1.3 that comes with
Drag Manager, even though the included instructions
say it doesn't.

Its also a good idea to trash any extentions and
control panels, or at least disable them, that don't
work with the LC. Control panels are easy, just
doubleclick on each one and dump the ones that say
they won't work on this Macintosh. For extentions
you'll need a guide or someone who knows them well.
Anything that says PowerBook can go straight to the
trashcan. (Unless you have a PowerBook. ;-)

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Bin files. Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

2001-07-26 Thread Gregg Eshelman

Hmm, MacBinary files usually download OK onto a PC.
Tried dropping them onto Stuffit Expander or running
Expander then using the menu commands to manually
decode them?

And, um, doesn't Open Transport require at least an
030 CPU? Or have I forgotten something? Haven't
ever actually used a Mac II or LC and the only 68000
based Mac I've used was a Classic with a bad HD.
Everything else has sported an 030 and newer.

--- RomRider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Now on to my next small probem, the three disk
 update floppies are
 .sea.bin files which when I download through my
 PC get mangled as many
 people have told me before... anyone willing to
 convert them to .HQX files
 for me so I can bring them down to floppies using my
 PC then transfer them
 to my mac via the PeeSea?  my mac does not yet have
 any access to the
 network because macTCP does not seem to be able to
 use shaw@home's DHCP...


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Re: Bin files. Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

2001-07-26 Thread Marten van de Kraats


And, um, doesn't Open Transport require at least an
030 CPU? Or have I forgotten something? Haven't
ever actually used a Mac II or LC and the only 68000
based Mac I've used was a Classic with a bad HD.
Everything else has sported an 030 and newer.

68020 is minumum for OT.
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Re: System 7.5.5 [was: my stash of Macs]

2001-07-26 Thread the pickle

At 13:14 -0600 on 26/07/01, RomRider wrote:

it's got all 10 megs of ram in it and seems to run 7.5.3 very well... I only
want to update to 7.5.5 so I can get open transport going since I can't
figure out how to get it on the net using DHCP and my cablemodem...

Drop back to 7.1 and install OT on that then.  It'll be MUCH faster and
more stable.

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Re: my stash of Macs

2001-07-25 Thread RomRider

just a brief defence of 486 machines, I am a mac fan but I also have several
486 machines that are quite useful... The only thing you need in an old 486
to make it useful is lots of ram, if you can squeeze 32 megs or more in you
can run a nice distro of linux...

I do however love my mac LC with 10 megs ram and an ethernet card... 
system 7.5.3 although i'd like to find the update to 7.5.5 as I hear it has
open transport built right in.

- Original Message - 
 I always tell people, as long as your MAC does exactly what you need it to
 do,then it's still a very useful machine...unlike most 286's, 386's,
 486's, IBM PC jr's etc





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7.7.5 update. Re: my stash of Macs

2001-07-25 Thread Gregg Eshelman


--- RomRider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 just a brief defence of 486 machines, I am a mac fan
 but I also have several
 486 machines that are quite useful... The only thing
 you need in an old 486
 to make it useful is lots of ram, if you can squeeze
 32 megs or more in you
 can run a nice distro of linux...
 
 I do however love my mac LC with 10 megs ram and an
 ethernet card... 
 system 7.5.3 although i'd like to find the update to
 7.5.5 as I hear it has
 open transport built right in.

ftp://ftp.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/System_7.5.5_Update/

If you aren't English-North_American, just back up a
few directory levels and drill down again. After
installing 7.5.5 you should install OT 1.1.1 followed
immediately (after reboot) OT 1.1.2, both of which are
also on ftp.apple.com somewhere. :)

P.S. See the FAQ URL which is somewhere in the footer
of every message you get on this list. :)

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Re: my stash of Macs

2001-07-25 Thread Robert Poland

I do however love my mac LC with 10 megs ram and an ethernet card... 
system 7.5.3 although i'd like to find the update to 7.5.5 as I hear it has
open transport built right in.

I see the 7.5.5 update mentioned on http://lowendmac.com/macos.shtml.

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Re: my stash of Macs

2001-07-25 Thread Amber Rhea

 Lisa

Would that be a Lisa 1 or a Lisa 2? Either way, I'm jealous...

 my girlfriend thinks I've gone off the DEEP END...

:) We moved to a two-bedroom apartment to accomodate all our computers
(okay, so most of them are MY computers!) But now I'm starting to think we
need THREE bedrooms!

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Re: my stash of Macs

2001-07-25 Thread Kyle Hansen



Amber Rhea wrote:

  Lisa

 Would that be a Lisa 1 or a Lisa 2? Either way, I'm jealous...

I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige tower for a Lisa2.  I'm
wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it.  I have 4 G3 MT's that I am gonna
sell, but that trade

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Re: my stash of Macs

2001-07-25 Thread the pickle

At 14:21 -0700 on 25/07/01, Kyle Hansen wrote:

Amber Rhea wrote:

  Lisa

 Would that be a Lisa 1 or a Lisa 2? Either way, I'm jealous...

I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige tower for a Lisa2.  I'm
wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it.  I have 4 G3 MT's that I am gonna
sell, but that trade

Considering I haven't seen a Lisa 2 sell for under $500 any time recently,
I'd say a stripped beige G3 is probably a decent trade.

p
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Re: my stash of Macs

2001-07-25 Thread the pickle

At 15:04 -0700 on 25/07/01, Gene Osburn wrote:

 From: RomRider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: my stash of Macs
 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:25:59 -0600

 I do however love my mac LC with 10 megs ram and an ethernet card... 
 system 7.5.3 although i'd like to find the update to 7.5.5 as I hear it has
 open transport built right in.

You would *REALLY* love it with System 7.1 -- much quicker and easier on
RAM demands.  You would, however, need to add other bits and pieces for

Yeah, man, I can't believe I didn't notice that the first time.  Sheesh,
running 7.5.5 on an LC is sheer horror.  You would love it a LOT more with
7.1 or even 6.0.8.

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Re: my stash of Macs

2001-07-25 Thread Kyle Hansen



the pickle wrote:

 At 14:21 -0700 on 25/07/01, Kyle Hansen wrote:

 Amber Rhea wrote:
 
   Lisa
 
  Would that be a Lisa 1 or a Lisa 2? Either way, I'm jealous...
 
 I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige tower for a Lisa2.  I'm
 wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it.  I have 4 G3 MT's that I am gonna
 sell, but that trade

 Considering I haven't seen a Lisa 2 sell for under $500 any time recently,
 I'd say a stripped beige G3 is probably a decent trade.

 p

It's the XL version of the LISA 2.  I have 4 G3 MT's and I want a LISA.  Hmm.
I am wondering if the Lisa2 XL version is worth it.  What do you think pickle?
Others?

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Re: my stash of Macs

2001-07-25 Thread RomRider

  I do however love my mac LC with 10 megs ram and an ethernet card... 
  system 7.5.3 although i'd like to find the update to 7.5.5 as I hear it
has
  open transport built right in.

 You would *REALLY* love it with System 7.1 -- much quicker and easier on
 RAM demands.  You would, however, need to add other bits and pieces for
 additional 7.5/7.6 functionality...see the pickle's FAQ for details.

 BTW, do you still want that set of System 7.5.3 disks (with 7.5.5
update)...?

Absolutely i'd love to have the 7.5.5 update on floppy disks know where I
can get em?



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Re: my stash of macs

2001-07-25 Thread Amber Rhea


 I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige tower for a Lisa2.  I'm
 wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it.  I have 4 G3 MT's that I am gonna
 sell, but that trade
 
 -- Kyle H. Hansen

What are you talking about? Hell yeah that's a good trade! Maybe not for the
guy losing the Lisa, but... :) Don't pass this one up! Even if it is an XL -
I'd *love* to have even an XL! Go for it, and then I can live vicariously.
:)

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Re: my stash of Macs

2001-07-25 Thread Jeff Garrison


-Original Message-
From: Nick Canterucci [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:23 AM
Subject: my stash of Macs


Always interesting to see other forum members
collection of Macs..Here's mine

Lisa



sigh This one's bound to elude me forever.

Otherwise, you've got a well-rounded pack 'O Macs.
And none of US think you've gone off the deep end ;^)

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Re: my stash of Macs

2001-07-25 Thread Jeff Garrison


-Original Message-
From: Kyle Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vintage Macs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: my stash of Macs



I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige tower for a Lisa2.  I'm
wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it.  I have 4 G3 MT's that I am
gonna
sell, but that trade

-- Kyle H. Hansen


In MY case, Kyle, without batting an eye.

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Vicarious Lisas. Re: my stash of macs

2001-07-25 Thread Gregg Eshelman

--- Amber Rhea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I have the opportunity to trade a bare bones Beige
 tower for a Lisa2.  I'm
  wondering if anyone thinks that's worth it.  I
 have 4 G3 MT's that I am gonna
  sell, but that trade
  
  -- Kyle H. Hansen
 
 What are you talking about? Hell yeah that's a good
 trade! Maybe not for the
 guy losing the Lisa, but... :) Don't pass this one
 up! Even if it is an XL -
 I'd *love* to have even an XL! Go for it, and then I
 can live vicariously.
 :)

Lisa emulation is progressing slowly. At least MESS
has a Lisa component that throws something onscreen.

http://mess.emuverse.com/
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