Re: Top Posting Discussion, Was: Re: Broken LC
Dave Ricker wrote: Darren I find it, said politely, amusing that you would consider it complete stupidity to re-title a clearly off topic reply to a thread. It is a courtesy to the readers to re-title a thread that has deviated from the initial topic. What has netiquete got to do with the original LC discussion? Yes, nothing. Thank you Dave Starting a new subject line and quoting 4 full emails and footers from a continuing thread is nothing short of complete stupidity really. cheers In truth the stupidest things I read on these lists are my own posts. :) My problem is one of reasons listed earlier and one of the reasons bottom posting is prefered. Top posts can be very untidy if the sender is lazy, no reason for editing gives us all this: Samual Acorn wrote: reply from the bottom.. nope... prefer not... hit reply and the cursor is placed at the top along with a complementory On $date, $user $address wrote:... and since you replied at the bottom we get 3 messages in one this time... use webmail for list access and learn to use it? i have... and this is the only list that has gotten its panties in a wad about top replies... and considering im 'mod' on more than a handfull of them apparently they have no problems with top replies... rubbed the wrong way about telling someone to unsub because they dont like the list content? do you get rubbed the wrong way when someone tells you to turn the TV off if you dont like what you are seeing? same difference as far as im concerned... dont like it? dont download it... nothing personal to that specific user... that was a 'general' statement... and at that i will say now... the 'thin skinned' of the list would do well to ignore my posts... cheers... On 20/08/05, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samual Acorn wrote: im using gmail... not a pop3 client... and as far as cutting the trailing text off.. it does so from my view... clicking on 'show quoted text' shows it 'hide quoted text' hides it... and no... i wont cut the bottom off... if you dont like it... ignore it... simple as that... im not the one complaining about the footer... you ppl are... the telnet bbs's are are also a dying breed... my point was that this -mailing list- isnt a BBS or usenet to which jeff was was comparing it... On 20/08/05, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samual Acorn wrote: But as the FAQ says, most top posters fail to clip extraneous text, which is rude and inconsiderate. then the list shouldnt attach spam (who pays attention to ads anyway) and comple subscribe/unsubscribe info... should only attach a single link to a webpage with the info... btw, the days of the dial-in bbs are over (thank god) ... and this isnt a bbs or usenet... if the extra text bothers you that bad then unsubscribe... ...just my $0.02 Cut the bloody footers. Simple as that. Set the prefs in your client to do this if your to freaken lazy. Nobody really cares where you post, just cut the crap off. There is no spam attached, the ad links pay for the list and why do you leave them? Spam is unwanted mail not links, if you dont wont them unsub. You can telnet for example into some bbs's they are not dead dipshit. Your opinion is vasty over priced. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com Ok. I do apologize for my lack of tact earlier. This is how LEM would like you to reply. The onus is on the poster to edit the previous post above thus removing the footer and hopefully unnecessary clutter. I guess this should work with everything that can access email, even gmail, oh look my account has been a yahoo account for years. Please consider the list covers everyone, some folk use ontopic macs as their internet machines. These folk like the traffic but not the repeated content. They may also have limited net access or slow connections, it is a mac68k list. Your suggestion Jeff should unsub if offended by the extra text rubs me the wrong way. The footers are spam doesn't work for me. If you use webmail for list access, learn how to use it. Reply from the bottom and see how you go. cheers -- Vintage Macs is
Re: Broken LC
Samual Acorn wrote: reply from the bottom.. nope... prefer not... hit reply and the cursor is placed at the top along with a complementory On $date, $user $address wrote: lazy? ... and since you replied at the bottom we get 3 messages in one this time... because you fail to edit, I just tried it your way, my clients default and your dont care attitude and its my fault - thats rich coming from you. use webmail for list access and learn to use it? i have... and this is the only list that has gotten its panties in a wad about top replies... and considering im 'mod' on more than a handfull of them apparently they have no problems with top replies... No you haven't, its plain to see and for the second time nobody gives a ship where you post, its your lack of editing thats the problem, have I been typing that bit to fast for you to understand? rubbed the wrong way about telling someone to unsub because they dont like the list content? do you get rubbed the wrong way when someone tells you to turn the TV off if you dont like what you are seeing? same difference as far as im concerned... the comparsion makes little sense. dont like it? dont download it... nothing personal to that specific user... that was a 'general' statement... and at that i will say now... the 'thin skinned' of the list would do well to ignore my posts... The list as a whole would do well to ignore your posts. Actually the nanny or listmom should have called this by now. Post wherever you like and to anyone taking the list in digest form stiff ship if you have to download several times the volume. Samual doesn't care and cant be shown. If you have a limited dailup plan, stiff again, just unsub or deal with it. There is no difference between the many LEM list or the macs they cover. No thank you to the netiquette guidelines, I can neither check my clients reply preferences or alter the way I work, nor can I be bothered to edit manually because - lazy? Quoting sparingly does require manual work, since most email programs automatically quote the original message in replies. But failing to edit the original wastes everyone's time and bandwidth. I find it amazing some folks fail to understand the quote above, regardless of where you start the reply. Starting a new subject line and quoting 4 full emails and footers from a continuing thread is nothing short of complete stupidity really. cheers -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Broken LC
--- Mike Sloane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This reminds me of the part of Swift's Gulliver's Travels where there is a dispute between the Big-Enders and the Little-Enders, who argue constantly over which end of a boiled egg should be opened for eating. Some things haven't changed much since the 18th century. :-) That's also where the Big Endian and Little Endian terms come from to refer to the ways different computer architectures handle byte order. It WAS total Fandemonium! August (Fri) 5th, (Sat) 6th (Sun) 7th, 2005 http://www.fandemonium.org See you next year, first weekend in August! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Broken LC
Samual Acorn wrote: But as the FAQ says, most top posters fail to clip extraneous text, which is rude and inconsiderate. then the list shouldnt attach spam (who pays attention to ads anyway) and comple subscribe/unsubscribe info... should only attach a single link to a webpage with the info... btw, the days of the dial-in bbs are over (thank god) ... and this isnt a bbs or usenet... if the extra text bothers you that bad then unsubscribe... ...just my $0.02 Cut the bloody footers. Simple as that. Set the prefs in your client to do this if your to freaken lazy. Nobody really cares where you post, just cut the crap off. There is no spam attached, the ad links pay for the list and why do you leave them? Spam is unwanted mail not links, if you dont wont them unsub. You can telnet for example into some bbs's they are not dead dipshit. Your opinion is vasty over priced. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Broken LC
im using gmail... not a pop3 client... and as far as cutting the trailing text off.. it does so from my view... clicking on 'show quoted text' shows it 'hide quoted text' hides it... and no... i wont cut the bottom off... if you dont like it... ignore it... simple as that... im not the one complaining about the footer... you ppl are... the telnet bbs's are are also a dying breed... my point was that this -mailing list- isnt a BBS or usenet to which jeff was was comparing it... On 20/08/05, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samual Acorn wrote: But as the FAQ says, most top posters fail to clip extraneous text, which is rude and inconsiderate. then the list shouldnt attach spam (who pays attention to ads anyway) and comple subscribe/unsubscribe info... should only attach a single link to a webpage with the info... btw, the days of the dial-in bbs are over (thank god) ... and this isnt a bbs or usenet... if the extra text bothers you that bad then unsubscribe... ...just my $0.02 Cut the bloody footers. Simple as that. Set the prefs in your client to do this if your to freaken lazy. Nobody really cares where you post, just cut the crap off. There is no spam attached, the ad links pay for the list and why do you leave them? Spam is unwanted mail not links, if you dont wont them unsub. You can telnet for example into some bbs's they are not dead dipshit. Your opinion is vasty over priced. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- --sam http://mephitus.renamon.org/ When you've done something right, no one will be sure you've done anything at all. -- Futurama -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Broken LC
Samual Acorn wrote: im using gmail... not a pop3 client... and as far as cutting the trailing text off.. it does so from my view... clicking on 'show quoted text' shows it 'hide quoted text' hides it... and no... i wont cut the bottom off... if you dont like it... ignore it... simple as that... im not the one complaining about the footer... you ppl are... the telnet bbs's are are also a dying breed... my point was that this -mailing list- isnt a BBS or usenet to which jeff was was comparing it... On 20/08/05, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samual Acorn wrote: But as the FAQ says, most top posters fail to clip extraneous text, which is rude and inconsiderate. then the list shouldnt attach spam (who pays attention to ads anyway) and comple subscribe/unsubscribe info... should only attach a single link to a webpage with the info... btw, the days of the dial-in bbs are over (thank god) ... and this isnt a bbs or usenet... if the extra text bothers you that bad then unsubscribe... ...just my $0.02 Cut the bloody footers. Simple as that. Set the prefs in your client to do this if your to freaken lazy. Nobody really cares where you post, just cut the crap off. There is no spam attached, the ad links pay for the list and why do you leave them? Spam is unwanted mail not links, if you dont wont them unsub. You can telnet for example into some bbs's they are not dead dipshit. Your opinion is vasty over priced. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com Ok. I do apologize for my lack of tact earlier. This is how LEM would like you to reply. The onus is on the poster to edit the previous post above thus removing the footer and hopefully unnecessary clutter. I guess this should work with everything that can access email, even gmail, oh look my account has been a yahoo account for years. Please consider the list covers everyone, some folk use ontopic macs as their internet machines. These folk like the traffic but not the repeated content. They may also have limited net access or slow connections, it is a mac68k list. Your suggestion Jeff should unsub if offended by the extra text rubs me the wrong way. The footers are spam doesn't work for me. If you use webmail for list access, learn how to use it. Reply from the bottom and see how you go. cheers -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Broken LC
reply from the bottom.. nope... prefer not... hit reply and the cursor is placed at the top along with a complementory On $date, $user $address wrote:... and since you replied at the bottom we get 3 messages in one this time... use webmail for list access and learn to use it? i have... and this is the only list that has gotten its panties in a wad about top replies... and considering im 'mod' on more than a handfull of them apparently they have no problems with top replies... rubbed the wrong way about telling someone to unsub because they dont like the list content? do you get rubbed the wrong way when someone tells you to turn the TV off if you dont like what you are seeing? same difference as far as im concerned... dont like it? dont download it... nothing personal to that specific user... that was a 'general' statement... and at that i will say now... the 'thin skinned' of the list would do well to ignore my posts... cheers... On 20/08/05, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samual Acorn wrote: im using gmail... not a pop3 client... and as far as cutting the trailing text off.. it does so from my view... clicking on 'show quoted text' shows it 'hide quoted text' hides it... and no... i wont cut the bottom off... if you dont like it... ignore it... simple as that... im not the one complaining about the footer... you ppl are... the telnet bbs's are are also a dying breed... my point was that this -mailing list- isnt a BBS or usenet to which jeff was was comparing it... On 20/08/05, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samual Acorn wrote: But as the FAQ says, most top posters fail to clip extraneous text, which is rude and inconsiderate. then the list shouldnt attach spam (who pays attention to ads anyway) and comple subscribe/unsubscribe info... should only attach a single link to a webpage with the info... btw, the days of the dial-in bbs are over (thank god) ... and this isnt a bbs or usenet... if the extra text bothers you that bad then unsubscribe... ...just my $0.02 Cut the bloody footers. Simple as that. Set the prefs in your client to do this if your to freaken lazy. Nobody really cares where you post, just cut the crap off. There is no spam attached, the ad links pay for the list and why do you leave them? Spam is unwanted mail not links, if you dont wont them unsub. You can telnet for example into some bbs's they are not dead dipshit. Your opinion is vasty over priced. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com Ok. I do apologize for my lack of tact earlier. This is how LEM would like you to reply. The onus is on the poster to edit the previous post above thus removing the footer and hopefully unnecessary clutter. I guess this should work with everything that can access email, even gmail, oh look my account has been a yahoo account for years. Please consider the list covers everyone, some folk use ontopic macs as their internet machines. These folk like the traffic but not the repeated content. They may also have limited net access or slow connections, it is a mac68k list. Your suggestion Jeff should unsub if offended by the extra text rubs me the wrong way. The footers are spam doesn't work for me. If you use webmail for list access, learn how to use it. Reply from the bottom and see how you go. cheers -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- --sam http://mephitus.renamon.org/ When you've done something right, no one will be sure you've done
Re: Broken LC
This reminds me of the part of Swift's Gulliver's Travels where there is a dispute between the Big-Enders and the Little-Enders, who argue constantly over which end of a boiled egg should be opened for eating. Some things haven't changed much since the 18th century. :-) Mike Samual Acorn wrote: reply from the bottom.. nope... prefer not... hit reply and the cursor is placed at the top along with a complementory On $date, $user -- Mike Sloane Allamuchy NJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.geocities.com/mikesloane Images: www.fotki.com/mikesloane There is a loftier ambition than merely to stand high in the world. It is to stoop down and lift mankind a little higher. -Henry van Dyke, poet (1852-1933) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Top Posting Discussion, Was: Re: Broken LC
Well, looking at this top posting thing here's my $.02. I find it annoying in some forums/usenet to have to scroll EVERY (well, almost) message down to see if there is anything of interest in a posting, often it's something like Yeah I agree, just not worth it. If there was a compelling reason to bottom post, the mail apps would open the message at the bottom. If I'm following a thread message by message I don't need to start reading at the first post of each message to follow the discussion. Oh, and then there's the issue of moving a topic away from the subject line without amending it. Well, I guess we're all opinionated, that's mine. Dave Samual Acorn wrote: reply from the bottom.. nope... prefer not... hit reply and the cursor is placed at the top along with a complementory On $date, $user $address wrote:... and since you replied at the bottom we get 3 messages in one this time... use webmail for list access and learn to use it? i have... and this is the only list that has gotten its panties in a wad about top replies... and considering im 'mod' on more than a handfull of them apparently they have no problems with top replies... rubbed the wrong way about telling someone to unsub because they dont like the list content? do you get rubbed the wrong way when someone tells you to turn the TV off if you dont like what you are seeing? same difference as far as im concerned... dont like it? dont download it... nothing personal to that specific user... that was a 'general' statement... and at that i will say now... the 'thin skinned' of the list would do well to ignore my posts... cheers... On 20/08/05, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samual Acorn wrote: im using gmail... not a pop3 client... and as far as cutting the trailing text off.. it does so from my view... clicking on 'show quoted text' shows it 'hide quoted text' hides it... and no... i wont cut the bottom off... if you dont like it... ignore it... simple as that... im not the one complaining about the footer... you ppl are... the telnet bbs's are are also a dying breed... my point was that this -mailing list- isnt a BBS or usenet to which jeff was was comparing it... On 20/08/05, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Samual Acorn wrote: But as the FAQ says, most top posters fail to clip extraneous text, which is rude and inconsiderate. then the list shouldnt attach spam (who pays attention to ads anyway) and comple subscribe/unsubscribe info... should only attach a single link to a webpage with the info... btw, the days of the dial-in bbs are over (thank god) ... and this isnt a bbs or usenet... if the extra text bothers you that bad then unsubscribe... ...just my $0.02 Cut the bloody footers. Simple as that. Set the prefs in your client to do this if your to freaken lazy. Nobody really cares where you post, just cut the crap off. There is no spam attached, the ad links pay for the list and why do you leave them? Spam is unwanted mail not links, if you dont wont them unsub. You can telnet for example into some bbs's they are not dead dipshit. Your opinion is vasty over priced. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com Ok. I do apologize for my lack of tact earlier. This is how LEM would like you to reply. The onus is on the poster to edit the previous post above thus removing the footer and hopefully unnecessary clutter. I guess this should work with everything that can access email, even gmail, oh look my account has been a yahoo account for years. Please consider the list covers everyone, some folk use ontopic macs as their internet machines. These folk like the traffic but not the repeated content. They may also have limited net access or slow connections, it is a mac68k list. Your suggestion Jeff should unsub if offended by the extra text rubs me the wrong way. The footers are spam doesn't work for me. If you use webmail for list access, learn how to use it. Reply from the bottom and see how you go. cheers -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog
Re: Broken LC
ok... with ya now... still... leaving a HDD running for a week shouldnt have killed it... if it did then it was on the verge of death anyhow... 2:56am up 26 days, 4:40, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 (its an x86 machine but there is an apple branded IDE drive in there that hasnt spun down at any time during that 26 days... wish i had a ups.. i could brag about my servers uptime even more :P ) question; booting from the external drive with an internal drive installed can the OS see the internal drive? (or will it not allow you to do this?... if not boot from floppy and see if it sees the internal drive...) if it cant see the internal drive at all then just boot from the external drive and consider the machine a partial loss... if it can see the drive then reformat it and reinstall the os... see if it'll boot then... humor me for a moment on this one; put a multiconnector scsi cable inside with a terminator attached and see what it does (the original drive the LC used may have a specific built-in termination that the other drive you are trying to use doesnt have... or it maybe the opposite... the original drive didnt have termination but the new one does and there is also termination on the motherboard... see if there is a way to enable/disable the one on the motherboard if it exists... scsi is a wily beast...) On 18/08/05, Kyle Koerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, sorry about the top-posting thing, i thought that it was customary to post on the bottom (we had a big debate on this in the iMac LEM list). Anyway, the deal with the hard drive is as follows. I REMOVED the internal drive from the LC III, then I put it into an external SCSI box. I connected the SCSI box to my LC 520. (I wanted to copy files form one drive to the other). I turned OFF the LC 520, but forgot to turn off the SCSI box that contained the LC III's INTERNAL hard drive. Hopefully that is clear... I'm not sure how else to say it. Now, that was left on ALL WEEK, causing that drive to die. Now, the LC III won't boot, even with another hard drive on the internal SCSI cable. With an external SCSI drive, it boots fine. Kyle- On Aug 18, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Samual Acorn wrote: top posting fixed? ok.. confused... how would leaving an external harddrive turned on keep the internal turned on... arent the power and data cables seperate?? if the internal was left spinning (powered) by the power supply in the external box and the scsi bus on this comp still works i would check the power cable... or... is it the external that is damaged from being left on for a week? (that -still- shouldnt have been a problem... the drive would have just sat idle) either you arent wording this correctly or i have completely jumped the tracks on this one cos i am lost... On 18/08/05, Kyle Koerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 18, 2005, at 3:10 AM, Samual Acorn wrote: (top posting fixed) On 15/08/05, Kyle Koerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I asked about networking my old LCs together a little while earlier. Well, now the LC III's hard drive died. I had it in an external box to copy some info to a Performa, and I accidently left it on for a week straight. Anyway, now the LC III won't boot. I have put the drive from my LC 520 (7.5.3) in the III, and it refuses to boot - just the ? . However, if I put the good drive in an external SCSI box, and then power on the LC with no internal drive, it will work just fine. Any ideas would be much appreciated. Kyle- bad internal cable? bad scsi termination? try zapping the pram and see what it does... option-apple-p-r on power up... (i think thats the right key-sequence) btw, left it on as in powered on? (that shouldnt have caused any problems) or left it on as in connected? (that shouldnt have either... but...) Well, i tried the PRAM , that didn't help. I'm not sure how you would terminate the internal drive... its the only drive in there. The drive died because I put it in an external SCSI box to copy some files, but when I finished with the computer, I forgot to turn off the external box, and the drive ended up being left on for a full week, while the computer was shut down. Kyle- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/ vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:vintage.macs- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:
Re: Broken LC
From: John Niven [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Broken LC Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:57:14 -0700 But Apples very own Mail program does put it on the top. Anyway only Flat earth and Intelligent Design believers have to troll through all the previous posts again to follow the thread. Snigger ;-} Only Flat Earth and Intelligent Design believers top post and fail to snip all the extraneous trailing text such as the list footers, John. Bottom posting was the custom on UseNet and BBS fora for years (decades?) before some idiot at MS wrote a mail client that defaulted to top posting. The default of the software does not define the human custom. Unfortunately, there are so many new users overwhelming the old and who have no guidance except their client defaults, that top posting is now all too common. But as the FAQ says, most top posters fail to clip extraneous text, which is rude and inconsiderate. Geeze. If you're going to top post, at least edit your quoted text. The lists are getting unreadable for all the messages that include all the text from the previous three messages plus six copies of the list footer quoted and requoted, just so they can add their thirty words of non-wisdom at the top. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Broken LC
Sorry, I don't agree. I see it as a personal preference only. In most mailing lists, you see it equally both ways. And obviously, there is no way to enforce it. Even the list-owner here has only suggested it. I prefer top-posting, because I really hate scrolling through stuff I've read before, and like most list'ers, I remember what has come before. I've always had the feeling that determined advocates for bottom-posting thought that it might deter people from leaving all the clutter from previous posts and footers at the bottom of each follow-up message. :-) Sorry, doesn't help. People who want to be lazy will continue to do so. Rob It is customary to post on the bottom. But the top poster just keep proliferating, probably in part because MS email clients top post by default. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Broken LC
Opps! Guilty as charged :-( On Aug 19, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Jeff Walther wrote: fail to snip all the extraneous trailing text such as the list footers, John. Opps! Guilty as charged :-( -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Broken LC
But as the FAQ says, most top posters fail to clip extraneous text, which is rude and inconsiderate. then the list shouldnt attach spam (who pays attention to ads anyway) and comple subscribe/unsubscribe info... should only attach a single link to a webpage with the info... btw, the days of the dial-in bbs are over (thank god) ... and this isnt a bbs or usenet... if the extra text bothers you that bad then unsubscribe... ...just my $0.02 On 19/08/05, Jeff Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John Niven [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Broken LC Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:57:14 -0700 But Apples very own Mail program does put it on the top. Anyway only Flat earth and Intelligent Design believers have to troll through all the previous posts again to follow the thread. Snigger ;-} Only Flat Earth and Intelligent Design believers top post and fail to snip all the extraneous trailing text such as the list footers, John. Bottom posting was the custom on UseNet and BBS fora for years (decades?) before some idiot at MS wrote a mail client that defaulted to top posting. The default of the software does not define the human custom. Unfortunately, there are so many new users overwhelming the old and who have no guidance except their client defaults, that top posting is now all too common. But as the FAQ says, most top posters fail to clip extraneous text, which is rude and inconsiderate. Geeze. If you're going to top post, at least edit your quoted text. The lists are getting unreadable for all the messages that include all the text from the previous three messages plus six copies of the list footer quoted and requoted, just so they can add their thirty words of non-wisdom at the top. Jeff Walther -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- --sam http://mephitus.renamon.org/ When you've done something right, no one will be sure you've done anything at all. -- Futurama -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Broken LC
bad internal cable? bad scsi termination? try zapping the pram and see what it does... option-apple-p-r on power up... (i think thats the right key-sequence) btw, left it on as in powered on? (that shouldnt have caused any problems) or left it on as in connected? (that shouldnt have either... but...) On 15/08/05, Kyle Koerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I asked about networking my old LCs together a little while earlier. Well, now the LC III's hard drive died. I had it in an external box to copy some info to a Performa, and I accidently left it on for a week straight. Anyway, now the LC III won't boot. I have put the drive from my LC 520 (7.5.3) in the III, and it refuses to boot - just the ? . However, if I put the good drive in an external SCSI box, and then power on the LC with no internal drive, it will work just fine. Any ideas would be much appreciated. Kyle- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- --sam http://mephitus.renamon.org/ When you've done something right, no one will be sure you've done anything at all. -- Futurama -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Broken LC
On Aug 18, 2005, at 3:10 AM, Samual Acorn wrote: (top posting fixed) On 15/08/05, Kyle Koerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I asked about networking my old LCs together a little while earlier. Well, now the LC III's hard drive died. I had it in an external box to copy some info to a Performa, and I accidently left it on for a week straight. Anyway, now the LC III won't boot. I have put the drive from my LC 520 (7.5.3) in the III, and it refuses to boot - just the ? . However, if I put the good drive in an external SCSI box, and then power on the LC with no internal drive, it will work just fine. Any ideas would be much appreciated. Kyle- bad internal cable? bad scsi termination? try zapping the pram and see what it does... option-apple-p-r on power up... (i think thats the right key-sequence) btw, left it on as in powered on? (that shouldnt have caused any problems) or left it on as in connected? (that shouldnt have either... but...) Well, i tried the PRAM , that didn't help. I'm not sure how you would terminate the internal drive... its the only drive in there. The drive died because I put it in an external SCSI box to copy some files, but when I finished with the computer, I forgot to turn off the external box, and the drive ended up being left on for a full week, while the computer was shut down. Kyle- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Broken LC
option-apple-p-r is indeed the right sequence but only on System 7 and later. Under System 6 and earlier, you zapped the PRAM by selecting Control Panel from the Apple Menu while holding down the Command (apple), Shift, and Option keys. :) At 1:10 AM -0600 8/18/05, Samual Acorn wrote: bad internal cable? bad scsi termination? try zapping the pram and see what it does... option-apple-p-r on power up... (i think thats the right key-sequence) btw, left it on as in powered on? (that shouldnt have caused any problems) or left it on as in connected? (that shouldnt have either... but...) On 15/08/05, Kyle Koerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I asked about networking my old LCs together a little while earlier. Well, now the LC III's hard drive died. I had it in an external box to copy some info to a Performa, and I accidently left it on for a week straight. Anyway, now the LC III won't boot. I have put the drive from my LC 520 (7.5.3) in the III, and it refuses to boot - just the ? . However, if I put the good drive in an external SCSI box, and then power on the LC with no internal drive, it will work just fine. Any ideas would be much appreciated. Kyle- -- Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.bellatlantic.net/~adhdah/FmPro/fmdevindex.html -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Broken LC
i thought that was built into the hardware... didnt know it was part of the OS... (the harddrive hadn't even spun-up on the system i did it on... works with newer ROMs? confused now) On 18/08/05, Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: option-apple-p-r is indeed the right sequence but only on System 7 and later. Under System 6 and earlier, you zapped the PRAM by selecting Control Panel from the Apple Menu while holding down the Command (apple), Shift, and Option keys. :) At 1:10 AM -0600 8/18/05, Samual Acorn wrote: bad internal cable? bad scsi termination? try zapping the pram and see what it does... option-apple-p-r on power up... (i think thats the right key-sequence) btw, left it on as in powered on? (that shouldnt have caused any problems) or left it on as in connected? (that shouldnt have either... but...) On 15/08/05, Kyle Koerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I asked about networking my old LCs together a little while earlier. Well, now the LC III's hard drive died. I had it in an external box to copy some info to a Performa, and I accidently left it on for a week straight. Anyway, now the LC III won't boot. I have put the drive from my LC 520 (7.5.3) in the III, and it refuses to boot - just the ? . However, if I put the good drive in an external SCSI box, and then power on the LC with no internal drive, it will work just fine. Any ideas would be much appreciated. Kyle- -- Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.bellatlantic.net/~adhdah/FmPro/fmdevindex.html -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- --sam http://mephitus.renamon.org/ When you've done something right, no one will be sure you've done anything at all. -- Futurama -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Broken LC
top posting fixed? ok.. confused... how would leaving an external harddrive turned on keep the internal turned on... arent the power and data cables seperate?? if the internal was left spinning (powered) by the power supply in the external box and the scsi bus on this comp still works i would check the power cable... or... is it the external that is damaged from being left on for a week? (that -still- shouldnt have been a problem... the drive would have just sat idle) either you arent wording this correctly or i have completely jumped the tracks on this one cos i am lost... On 18/08/05, Kyle Koerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 18, 2005, at 3:10 AM, Samual Acorn wrote: (top posting fixed) On 15/08/05, Kyle Koerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I asked about networking my old LCs together a little while earlier. Well, now the LC III's hard drive died. I had it in an external box to copy some info to a Performa, and I accidently left it on for a week straight. Anyway, now the LC III won't boot. I have put the drive from my LC 520 (7.5.3) in the III, and it refuses to boot - just the ? . However, if I put the good drive in an external SCSI box, and then power on the LC with no internal drive, it will work just fine. Any ideas would be much appreciated. Kyle- bad internal cable? bad scsi termination? try zapping the pram and see what it does... option-apple-p-r on power up... (i think thats the right key-sequence) btw, left it on as in powered on? (that shouldnt have caused any problems) or left it on as in connected? (that shouldnt have either... but...) Well, i tried the PRAM , that didn't help. I'm not sure how you would terminate the internal drive... its the only drive in there. The drive died because I put it in an external SCSI box to copy some files, but when I finished with the computer, I forgot to turn off the external box, and the drive ended up being left on for a full week, while the computer was shut down. Kyle- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- --sam http://mephitus.renamon.org/ When you've done something right, no one will be sure you've done anything at all. -- Futurama -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Broken LC
Ah, sorry about the top-posting thing, i thought that it was customary to post on the bottom (we had a big debate on this in the iMac LEM list). Anyway, the deal with the hard drive is as follows. I REMOVED the internal drive from the LC III, then I put it into an external SCSI box. I connected the SCSI box to my LC 520. (I wanted to copy files form one drive to the other). I turned OFF the LC 520, but forgot to turn off the SCSI box that contained the LC III's INTERNAL hard drive. Hopefully that is clear... I'm not sure how else to say it. Now, that was left on ALL WEEK, causing that drive to die. Now, the LC III won't boot, even with another hard drive on the internal SCSI cable. With an external SCSI drive, it boots fine. Kyle- On Aug 18, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Samual Acorn wrote: top posting fixed? ok.. confused... how would leaving an external harddrive turned on keep the internal turned on... arent the power and data cables seperate?? if the internal was left spinning (powered) by the power supply in the external box and the scsi bus on this comp still works i would check the power cable... or... is it the external that is damaged from being left on for a week? (that -still- shouldnt have been a problem... the drive would have just sat idle) either you arent wording this correctly or i have completely jumped the tracks on this one cos i am lost... On 18/08/05, Kyle Koerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 18, 2005, at 3:10 AM, Samual Acorn wrote: (top posting fixed) On 15/08/05, Kyle Koerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I asked about networking my old LCs together a little while earlier. Well, now the LC III's hard drive died. I had it in an external box to copy some info to a Performa, and I accidently left it on for a week straight. Anyway, now the LC III won't boot. I have put the drive from my LC 520 (7.5.3) in the III, and it refuses to boot - just the ? . However, if I put the good drive in an external SCSI box, and then power on the LC with no internal drive, it will work just fine. Any ideas would be much appreciated. Kyle- bad internal cable? bad scsi termination? try zapping the pram and see what it does... option-apple-p-r on power up... (i think thats the right key-sequence) btw, left it on as in powered on? (that shouldnt have caused any problems) or left it on as in connected? (that shouldnt have either... but...) Well, i tried the PRAM , that didn't help. I'm not sure how you would terminate the internal drive... its the only drive in there. The drive died because I put it in an external SCSI box to copy some files, but when I finished with the computer, I forgot to turn off the external box, and the drive ended up being left on for a full week, while the computer was shut down. Kyle- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/ vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:vintage.macs- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs% 40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- --sam http://mephitus.renamon.org/ When you've done something right, no one will be sure you've done anything at all. -- Futurama -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:vintage.macs- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs% 40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email:
Re: Broken LC
If it's customary, then why does every e-mail client and service on the planet put the new message on top? On 8/18/05, Kyle Koerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, sorry about the top-posting thing, i thought that it was customary to post on the bottom (we had a big debate on this in the iMac LEM list). Anyway, the deal with the hard drive is as follows. I REMOVED the internal drive from the LC III, then I put it into an external SCSI box. I connected the SCSI box to my LC 520. (I wanted to copy files form one drive to the other). I turned OFF the LC 520, but forgot to turn off the SCSI box that contained the LC III's INTERNAL hard drive. Hopefully that is clear... I'm not sure how else to say it. Now, that was left on ALL WEEK, causing that drive to die. Now, the LC III won't boot, even with another hard drive on the internal SCSI cable. With an external SCSI drive, it boots fine. Kyle- On Aug 18, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Samual Acorn wrote: top posting fixed? ok.. confused... how would leaving an external harddrive turned on keep the internal turned on... arent the power and data cables seperate?? if the internal was left spinning (powered) by the power supply in the external box and the scsi bus on this comp still works i would check the power cable... or... is it the external that is damaged from being left on for a week? (that -still- shouldnt have been a problem... the drive would have just sat idle) either you arent wording this correctly or i have completely jumped the tracks on this one cos i am lost... On 18/08/05, Kyle Koerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 18, 2005, at 3:10 AM, Samual Acorn wrote: (top posting fixed) On 15/08/05, Kyle Koerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I asked about networking my old LCs together a little while earlier. Well, now the LC III's hard drive died. I had it in an external box to copy some info to a Performa, and I accidently left it on for a week straight. Anyway, now the LC III won't boot. I have put the drive from my LC 520 (7.5.3) in the III, and it refuses to boot - just the ? . However, if I put the good drive in an external SCSI box, and then power on the LC with no internal drive, it will work just fine. Any ideas would be much appreciated. Kyle- bad internal cable? bad scsi termination? try zapping the pram and see what it does... option-apple-p-r on power up... (i think thats the right key-sequence) btw, left it on as in powered on? (that shouldnt have caused any problems) or left it on as in connected? (that shouldnt have either... but...) Well, i tried the PRAM , that didn't help. I'm not sure how you would terminate the internal drive... its the only drive in there. The drive died because I put it in an external SCSI box to copy some files, but when I finished with the computer, I forgot to turn off the external box, and the drive ended up being left on for a full week, while the computer was shut down. Kyle- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/ vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:vintage.macs- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs% 40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- --sam http://mephitus.renamon.org/ When you've done something right, no one will be sure you've done anything at all. -- Futurama -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:vintage.macs- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs% 40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com |
Re: Broken LC
Eudora doesn't. And if Eudora doesn't do something, that something ain't standard. At 4:01 PM -0700 8/18/05, NODEraser wrote: If it's customary, then why does every e-mail client and service on the planet put the new message on top? -- Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.bellatlantic.net/~adhdah/FmPro/fmdevindex.html -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Broken LC
But Apples very own Mail program does put it on the top. Anyway only Flat earth and Intelligent Design believers have to troll through all the previous posts again to follow the thread. Snigger ;-} John (ducking back down again) On Aug 18, 2005, at 5:26 PM, Allan Hunter wrote: Eudora doesn't. And if Eudora doesn't do something, that something ain't standard. At 4:01 PM -0700 8/18/05, NODEraser wrote: If it's customary, then why does every e-mail client and service on the planet put the new message on top? -- Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.bellatlantic.net/~adhdah/FmPro/fmdevindex.html -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
