Re: linux m68k

2001-08-17 Thread Marten van de Kraats

Hi Randy,

Thanks for the info.  I'll have a go soon to see if I can get it up and
running.  The only thing that may be a problem is the internal IDE drive in
the PB 150 which may not be fully supported by the kernel.

Edwin
PB 150, 8 MB Ram, 120MB HD


Or the fact that the hd driver software is in rom...

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Re: linux m68k

2001-08-17 Thread Cameron Kaiser

 Ok, I've had enough and now I have to add my $.11.  Why are you 
 bothering with Linux?  NetBSD is the one to go with on 68k Macs. 
 I've put it on my IIci and Q800 and both run flawlessly.  Why go with 
 linux?  NetBSD is a mature UNIX for 68k Macs.  The only drawback to 
 it is the non-support for the oddball machines, IIvx and Q950, and 
 non-FPU Quadra/Centris/LC machines.  For further reference try here:
 
 http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/mac68k/

I definitely agree -- satisfied user of NetBSD on a IIci with a Daystar
'030 50MHz, Quantum Empire 2.05GB, 128MB RAM, and two Farallon EtherWave
NuBus NICs. I like this computer, and NetBSD drives it well. It serves
the internal network's DNS and AppleTalk, soon will do POP, and runs a web
and gopher gateway to boot.

Linux/68k is experimental and fraught with peril, but NetBSD is mature,
developed and supported. Plus eminently more secure, coming from the same
lineage that developed OpenBSD (one tough box to crack), and smaller and
more compact since it doesn't suffer from the bloat infesting today's Linux
distros.

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Re: linux m68k

2001-08-17 Thread Sean McGroty


 Or be a true 100% Apple supporter and go with A/UX   *Ducks*

That statement reminded me of a question I had:

Does anyone know of a SMB (Samba) server for A/UX? Freeware, commercial,
doesn't matter.


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Re: linux m68k

2001-08-17 Thread John Ruschmeyer

 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:29:18 -0700
 From: Randy Beaudreault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: linux m68k
 Message-id: a05100300b7a24918497a@[192.168.1.2]
 
 Subject: linux m68k on IIfx
 Hi, Scott or anyone else who knows about such things
 
 I'm interested in trying out linux on my PowerBook 150.  On the Debian page
 I couldn't find whether it's supported.  Do you know if it is.
 
 Edwin Lowe

 Ok, I've had enough and now I have to add my $.11.  Why are you
 bothering with Linux?  NetBSD is the one to go with on 68k Macs.
 I've put it on my IIci and Q800 and both run flawlessly.  Why go with
 linux?  NetBSD is a mature UNIX for 68k Macs.  The only drawback to
 it is the non-support for the oddball machines, IIvx and Q950, and
 non-FPU Quadra/Centris/LC machines.  For further reference try here:
 
 http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/mac68k/
 
 And for you info Edwin, there is an Xserver for this port.  But you
 will need some memory for it.  And judging from LEMs info on this
 powerbook, you just may be able to install NetBSD on your machine
 unless it has funny I/O stuff.

Unfortunately, Edwin was a PB150 which has one funky piece of I/O- the IDE
controller. Currently, there is no NetBSD support for IDE on the mac68k.
There was some work done a while back, but it never was folded into the
baseline.

john


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Re: linux m68k

2001-08-17 Thread John Ruschmeyer

 From: Cameron Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: linux m68k
 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 05:47:24 -0700 (PDT)
  
 I definitely agree -- satisfied user of NetBSD on a IIci with a Daystar
 '030 50MHz, Quantum Empire 2.05GB, 128MB RAM, and two Farallon EtherWave
 NuBus NICs. I like this computer, and NetBSD drives it well. It serves
 the internal network's DNS and AppleTalk, soon will do POP, and runs a web
 and gopher gateway to boot.
 
 Linux/68k is experimental and fraught with peril, but NetBSD is mature,
 developed and supported. Plus eminently more secure, coming from the same
 lineage that developed OpenBSD (one tough box to crack), and smaller and
 more compact since it doesn't suffer from the bloat infesting today's Linux
 distros.

A minor nit... OpenBSD is actually derived from NetBSD, following a
political/philosophical split.

john


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Re: linux m68k

2001-08-17 Thread the pickle

At 23:44 -0600 on 16/08/01, Steve Conrad wrote:

Ok, I've had enough and now I have to add my $.11.  Why are you
bothering with Linux?  NetBSD is the one to go with on 68k Macs.
I've put it on my IIci and Q800 and both run flawlessly.  Why go with
linux?  NetBSD is a mature UNIX for 68k Macs.  The only drawback to
it is the non-support for the oddball machines, IIvx and Q950, and
non-FPU Quadra/Centris/LC machines.  For further reference try here:

http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/mac68k/
Randy

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NetBSD - I got it up and running!


Or be a true 100% Apple supporter and go with A/UX   *Ducks*

Rather ironic, I must say, that the only way to get A/UX off the 'net
requires a peecee to burn the necessary install CD...

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Re: linux m68k

2001-08-17 Thread the pickle

At 13:24 -0400 on 17/08/01, Sean McGroty wrote:

 Or be a true 100% Apple supporter and go with A/UX   *Ducks*

That statement reminded me of a question I had:

Does anyone know of a SMB (Samba) server for A/UX? Freeware, commercial,
doesn't matter.

Any chance that one of the ones for another *nix distro might compile on A/UX?

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Re: linux m68k

2001-08-17 Thread Terry Mathews

In theory, yes. However, a lot of programs would have to be ported before
A/UX was up to date enough to run Samba (Or most open-source programs for
that matter).

Right off the top of my head, I know A/UX would need gcc, make, SysV or BSD
init system, and a netlink socket (Raw access to the network stack).
Basically, you download the source to a program, run configure, then fix
whatever configure complains about. Source that can check and see if it will
run before you compile it, isn't that amazing?

Terry

 Any chance that one of the ones for another *nix distro might compile on
 A/UX?


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Re: linux m68k

2001-08-17 Thread Terry Mathews

No it wasn't. I burned it on my PowerMac 7600. Used Toast 5, had to use
MacGzip to uncompress it, then play with the type/creator codes in ResEdit.
But it's doable.



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 Rather ironic, I must say, that the only way to get A/UX off the 'net
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Re: linux m68k

2001-08-17 Thread Gregg Eshelman

--- the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 23:44 -0600 on 16/08/01, Steve Conrad wrote:
 
 Ok, I've had enough and now I have to add my $.11.
  Why are you
 bothering with Linux?  NetBSD is the one to go
 with on 68k Macs.
 I've put it on my IIci and Q800 and both run
 flawlessly.  Why go with
 linux?  NetBSD is a mature UNIX for 68k Macs.  The
 only drawback to
 it is the non-support for the oddball machines,
 IIvx and Q950, and
 non-FPU Quadra/Centris/LC machines.  For further
 reference try here:
 
 http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/mac68k/
 Randy
 
 OS X - UNIX for the rest of us
 NetBSD - I got it up and running!
 
 
 Or be a true 100% Apple supporter and go with A/UX 
  *Ducks*
 
 Rather ironic, I must say, that the only way to get
 A/UX off the 'net
 requires a peecee to burn the necessary install
 CD...

Oh, I dunno about that. I snagged A/UX off that
german site posted here a while back, they're
Toast images. I have them archived on a CD-R.
::shuffles through 104 CD case::
Nope, left that one at home. I should bring it to work
and burn them with Toast 5.0.1.

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Re: linux m68k

2001-08-17 Thread the pickle

At 17:18 -0400 on 17/08/01, Terry Mathews wrote:

No it wasn't. I burned it on my PowerMac 7600. Used Toast 5, had to use
MacGzip to uncompress it, then play with the type/creator codes in ResEdit.

What type/creator codes did you end up using?  Toast 4 does NOT like the
image at all, at least not with any codes I've tried...

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Re: linux m68k

2001-08-17 Thread Terry Mathews

I don't remember exactly. If I'm remembering right, I made an image of like
a 20MB CD then copied the type and creator out of it, and applied it to the
file.

The trick is that the OEM version of Toast won't handle CD images. Only the
retail version will.


Terry
 What type/creator codes did you end up using?  Toast 4 does NOT like the
 image at all, at least not with any codes I've tried...


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Re: linux m68k

2001-08-17 Thread the pickle

At 17:30 -0400 on 17/08/01, Terry Mathews wrote:

I don't remember exactly. If I'm remembering right, I made an image of like
a 20MB CD then copied the type and creator out of it, and applied it to the
file.

The trick is that the OEM version of Toast won't handle CD images. Only the
retail version will.

Bastards!  Like I'm gonna pay $79 for the retail version...argh...

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Re: linux m68k

2001-08-17 Thread Terry Mathews

It's of dubious legality, but since I own the OEM version of Toast, I went
ahead and got it off characho...


Terry
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Re: linux m68k

2001-08-17 Thread Alex Allee

on 8/17/01 2:30 PM, Terry Mathews at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The trick is that the OEM version of Toast won't handle CD images. Only the
 retail version will.

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Toast was Re: linux m68k

2001-08-17 Thread Randy Beaudreault

  I don't remember exactly. If I'm remembering right, I made an image of like
a 20MB CD then copied the type and creator out of it, and applied it to the
file.

The trick is that the OEM version of Toast won't handle CD images. Only the
retail version will.

Bastards!  Like I'm gonna pay $79 for the retail version...argh...

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Here's copies of the correspondence I did with Roxio regarding this abscence.

Initial E-mail:

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Randy Beaudreault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Raw Disk Image Support

Why is there no Raw Disk image burning support in Toast and I'm not 
referring to copying discs.  I am referring to the OEM Toast 
supplied with my CD-RW not Toast Deluxe.  I need/want that 
capability in my burning software and since I don't need all the 
fancy features of Toast Deluxe why should I have to spend $90-100 to 
get the only feature I'm looking for?  Would you be so kind as to 
enlighten myself on your rationale for not doing this?

Their Reply:

Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:02:52 -0600
From: sales3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Raw Disk Image Support
To: Randy Beaudreault (by way of rsales [EMAIL PROTECTED])
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Randy,

Thank you for contacting Roxio Sales.

When we license our software to CD recorder manufactures, they are able to
include or not include any or all features that they wish.

The solution that I can offer you is Toast 5 Titanium.  We are currently
selling it for $89.95 plus shipping.

If you would like to order through Roxio, the fastest way to order is to
call our Pre-Sales department at 1-303-684-3850 or 1-866-280-ROXI (7694),
Monday - Friday, 7:00 A.M. to 4:00 P.M., Pacific Time - excluding Roxio
holidays.

You can also purchase from our On-line Store at
http://www.roxio.com/en/products/ .

For additional information on how to purchase Roxio products, please see our
how-to-buy section on our web site at
http://www.roxio.com/en/products/howtobuy.html .

Thank you for choosing Roxio software!

Best regards,

Mark Baker
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Dear Randy,

Thank you for contacting Roxio Sales.

When we license our software to CD recorder manufactures, they are able to
include or not include any or all features that they wish.

The solution that I can offer you is Toast 5 Titanium.  We are currently
selling it for $89.95 plus shipping.

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Re: linux m68k

2001-08-16 Thread Edwin Lowe

Subject: linux m68k on IIfx
Hi, Scott or anyone else who knows about such things

I'm interested in trying out linux on my PowerBook 150.  On the Debian page 
I couldn't find whether it's supported.  Do you know if it is.

http://www.mac.linux-m68k.org/

Also, is the X windows server ported?

Edwin Lowe



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Re: linux m68k

2001-08-16 Thread Randy Beaudreault

  Subject: linux m68k on IIfx
Hi, Scott or anyone else who knows about such things

I'm interested in trying out linux on my PowerBook 150.  On the Debian page
I couldn't find whether it's supported.  Do you know if it is.

http://www.mac.linux-m68k.org/

Also, is the X windows server ported?

Edwin Lowe

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Ok, I've had enough and now I have to add my $.11.  Why are you 
bothering with Linux?  NetBSD is the one to go with on 68k Macs. 
I've put it on my IIci and Q800 and both run flawlessly.  Why go with 
linux?  NetBSD is a mature UNIX for 68k Macs.  The only drawback to 
it is the non-support for the oddball machines, IIvx and Q950, and 
non-FPU Quadra/Centris/LC machines.  For further reference try here:

http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/mac68k/

And for you info Edwin, there is an Xserver for this port.  But you 
will need some memory for it.  And judging from LEMs info on this 
powerbook, you just may be able to install NetBSD on your machine 
unless it has funny I/O stuff.
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Re: linux m68k

2001-08-16 Thread Edwin Lowe

Hi Randy,

Thanks for the info.  I'll have a go soon to see if I can get it up and 
running.  The only thing that may be a problem is the internal IDE drive in 
the PB 150 which may not be fully supported by the kernel.

Edwin
PB 150, 8 MB Ram, 120MB HD

/rant
Ok, I've had enough and now I have to add my $.11.  Why are you
bothering with Linux?  NetBSD is the one to go with on 68k Macs.
I've put it on my IIci and Q800 and both run flawlessly.  Why go with
linux?  NetBSD is a mature UNIX for 68k Macs.  The only drawback to
it is the non-support for the oddball machines, IIvx and Q950, and
non-FPU Quadra/Centris/LC machines.  For further reference try here:

http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/mac68k/

And for you info Edwin, there is an Xserver for this port.  But you
will need some memory for it.  And judging from LEMs info on this
powerbook, you just may be able to install NetBSD on your machine
unless it has funny I/O stuff.
rant
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Re: linux m68k on IIfx (fwd)

2001-08-15 Thread William Ahearn

Hey, Scott

In about two weeks I'm going to run the Debian potato
on an 030. Is there a Debian list that you know of?
 
William
 
 greetings, 
 
 gotta tell everyone :) I finally got the debian
 potato on my IIfx. My
 first login as / (blush)
 
 this old mac...  :)
 
 peace,
 scb
 


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