Re: network admin help needed
all except one. This one has any keyboard sequence disabled on bootup. It doesn't seem to want to use a floppy, as it spits them out. I can't get to the finder without using an admin password (which I don't have). I suspect this may have been the server. Have you thought about asking the youth camp for the password? I'm sure if you told them of your situation, they would comply. Also, recently a friend of mine needed to work on a mutual friends PC. The PC asked for a password.. Lo and be-hold, the password was the same as the login name. Is there any way to get past this network login? I've read that reinstalling the disk drivers will overcome the network admin stuff, but I don't think I can try that with this one, given that it won't read floppies until logged in. Am I stuck just reinstalling the OS? Or will I completely have to reformat the drive to clear it? Right now, I'd just like to find out how much RAM how large a HD it has. I can't even get that far with it. Out of the 10, this is the only one you are having problems with? If so, why don't you just pull the RAM, and install it in another to find out how much it is. Also, isn't there any writings on the HD? Again, if this is the only computer with a problem, than HD's are cheaply replaceable. If there are writings, what are they? Maybe you can research it through a search engine? TIA Teri Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] New and improved site: http://www.xws.com/terispage/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: network admin help needed
At 10:31 -0700 on 19/05/02, Teri Pittman wrote: until logged in. Am I stuck just reinstalling the OS? Or will I completely have to reformat the drive to clear it? Right now, I'd just Probably, yes. You may have to pull the drive, set it up as an external, and use a different Mac to format it, too. the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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At 10:57 AM 05/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: Have you thought about asking the youth camp for the password? I'm sure if you told them of your situation, they would comply. Well, I actually got these through a guy who got them from who-knows-where. I can check with him, but I'm figuring worse case scenario. Also, recently a friend of mine needed to work on a mutual friends PC. The PC asked for a password.. Lo and be-hold, the password was the same as the login name. Tried all the quick, logical passwords I could think of. At work, we normally set these up with things like train or trainer for passwords. If this was actually the server, they'd probably have a less obvious password. Out of the 10, this is the only one you are having problems with? If so, why don't you just pull the RAM, and install it in another to find out how much it is. I have one totally dead one, two with the ? floppy displayed at startup. The rest seem to boot up okay. They've pulled the RAM out of them, so I'll need to put in more RAM before I hand them out. Couple have 1GB hard drives, which is nice. They make great CD players *grin*! Also, isn't there any writings on the HD? Again, if this is the only computer with a problem, than HD's are cheaply replaceable. If there are writings, what are they? Maybe you can research it through a search engine? Yep, I'll take a look at that next. I have an external drive I could use to set up a ghost image for these machines. That's the plan anyway. I'm pulling in the 7.5.3 disks today and will probably take it from there. Would be nice to see what's on that drive, but reformatting it will be okay too. Thanks for the advice. Teri Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] New and improved site: http://www.xws.com/terispage/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: network admin help needed
The LC 520 is pretty much an all in one version of the LC III. They can be upgraded to an LC 550 (boost up to 33Mhz from 25Mhz) or an LC 575 (with an 040 CPU) simply by swapping in the different logic boards. Do your 520s have caddy or tray load CD-ROM drives? Manual or auto inject floppy drives? If the one has At-Ease installed, you may be able to bypass it by changing the SCSI ID and connecting it to another Mac so it's not the boot drive. Also try disconnecting the drive and doing a PRAM zap then boot from a floppy so you can have a look at how much RAM it has. Like the LC III and Performa 460/LC III+, the LC 520 and LC 550 have 4 megs RAM built in and one 72pin SIMM slot. Normally the biggest SIMM you can fit is 32megs, but MicroMac (and possibly others) make (way overpriced) SIMMs for them that go up to 128meg. = http://www.junkscience.com All the Junk that's fit to Debunk! __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: network admin help needed
If the one has At-Ease installed, you may be able to bypass it by changing the SCSI ID and connecting it to another Mac so it's not the boot drive. Also try disconnecting the drive and doing a PRAM zap then boot from a floppy so you can have a look at how much RAM it has. Another option is, if it has SCSI, why not hook up a Zip100 drive (I'm assuming you have one), that has a bootable OS 7.5 (I have a 7.5.3 disk--Not only will the OS fit nicely on it, but you can use that disk on most Mac's) installed. This way when your computer will boot, it should show the internal HD on the desktop Steven *Thinking outloud here...* Are the HD's IDE? If so, can you daisy chain the 2 HD's (I'm thinking of the PC towers here), and use the bootable HD as the main one? Those cable should be pretty cheap. They come free with a purchase of a new HD -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: network admin help needed
At 12:23 PM 5/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: *Thinking outloud here...* Are the HD's IDE? If so, can you daisy chain the 2 HD's (I'm thinking of the PC towers here), and use the bootable HD as the main one? Those cable should be pretty cheap. They come free with a purchase of a new HD I believe the 520s are SCSI. And, I don't believe any of the IDE Macs supported more than one device on a controller until the Blue and White G3. Scott Holder -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: network admin help needed
OK, interesting trivia. Now I know. It was just a wild guess I believe the 520s are SCSI. And, I don't believe any of the IDE Macs supported more than one device on a controller until the Blue and White G3. Scott Holder -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: network admin help needed
Do your 520s have caddy or tray load CD-ROM drives? Manual or auto inject floppy drives? Caddy CD with auto eject floppies. If the one has At-Ease installed, you may be able to bypass it by changing the SCSI ID and connecting it to another Mac so it's not the boot drive. Also try disconnecting the drive and doing a PRAM zap then boot from a floppy so you can have a look at how much RAM it has. I pulled the drive out and it's a 730 MB Quantum Lightning drive. Looks like you set the SCSI id by changing the jumper settings. Like most jumpers, it's not altogether clear which jumper to change (although it does have the different combinations on the drive.) It plugs into the drive cable using a slot type (rather than a pin type). I'm not sure I can find a cable that will plug into it. I thought I might be able to change the jumper settings to a different setting and use an external as a master boot. I might be able to get into it that way. I suspect this is a 16MB RAM chip, as that is what is in the other machine they left the RAM in. I do think I have At Ease on one of the machines. I'll take a look at that and at doing a PRAM zap. (I can't do one with the drive in, since it has the keyboard disabled on boot.) If all else fails, I'll just do a clean install and be done with it. Teri Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: network admin help needed
--- Teri Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It plugs into the drive cable using a slot type (rather than a pin type). I'm not sure I can find a cable that will plug into it. That is simply an adaptor plugged onto the SCSI and power connectors of the drive. A bit of careful prying will have it off there. Most drives use a standardized placement of the SCSI and power connectors so the adaptor will fit other drives. = http://www.junkscience.com All the Junk that's fit to Debunk! __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: network admin help needed
At 11:59 -0700 on 19/05/02, Gregg Eshelman wrote: Do your 520s have caddy or tray load CD-ROM drives? Manual or auto inject floppy drives? Probably caddy and auto-inject, since even the 550s seem to have mostly had caddy and auto-inject and they were later models. If the one has At-Ease installed, you may be able Doubt that. At Ease doesn't block floppy boots. the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: network admin help needed
At 15:28 -0400 on 19/05/02, Scott Holder wrote: At 12:23 PM 5/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: *Thinking outloud here...* Are the HD's IDE? If so, can you daisy chain the 2 HD's (I'm thinking of the PC towers here), and use the bootable HD as the main one? Those cable should be pretty cheap. They come free with a purchase of a new HD I believe the 520s are SCSI. And, I don't believe any of the IDE Macs supported more than one device on a controller until the Blue and White G3. Correct about SCSI. First AIOs to use IDE were the 58x series. First Mac to support multiple IDE devices was the 6400, I think. I know the beige G3s did. the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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At 14:12 -0800 on 19/05/02, Teri Pittman wrote: Which I would do, except that these are in all in one cases. It looks like I'll have to take out the sled that holds the motherboard, to even get to You can just pull the drive and then remove the connectors and hook it up in another Mac that *isn't* an AIO...that's what I'd do, anyway. the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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--- Teri Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which I would do, except that these are in all in one cases. It looks like I'll have to take out the sled that holds the motherboard, to even get to the cables. It doesn't look like a quick easy job *grin*! I'll play around with it a bit more and figure out a way to format the drive if it comes to that. I got these to play around with, so I want to make sure I get my moneys' worth! There isn't a way to bypass the edge connector* for the SCSI on those Macs. You'd be better off getting a DB25M to CEN50M SCSI cable then finding an external SCSI case with the normal internal SCSI and power connections. Then you can pull the adaptor off the drive and connect it to the external SCSI port of the LC520. That setup will come in handy a lot if you're planning to do a bunch of work with Macs. :) *Well, you could do some major hacking on the wiring harness and have a Mac dismantled all over your worktable Might just be best to get a IIci or newer Mac that isn't an all in one type. :) = http://www.junkscience.com All the Junk that's fit to Debunk! __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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At 16:19 -040005/19/2002, Scott Holder wrote; Well, my 6500 doesn't support multiple IDE devices, so I doubt a 6400 does. Would an IDE drive partitioned into three chunks count as 'multiple devices'? I've been unable to get the 9.1 update to run on any of the three partitions on my 6400, it says something like the partition 6400-A (Or B or C.) cannot be a destination disk, please choose a different destination disk. I was able to upgrade the 9.0.4 to 9.1 on the internal SCSI HD I've got in the top bay. I'd really hate having to juggle everything on those three partitions so I could reformat the disk into one volume, but I could do it if I have to. TIA --- Peace, Shakes --- Knowledge is a deadly friend if no one sets the rules. The fate of all mankind I see is in the hands of fools. ---Peter Sinfield---1969--- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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At 21:03 -0700 on 19/05/02, James A. Reible wrote: Would an IDE drive partitioned into three chunks count as 'multiple devices'? No. the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ http://www.members.jmug.org/%7Ethepickl/archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
