Re: my internet problem
In a mixed network, TCP/IP is nearly a must. There is no more commonly spoken network language out there. The key word here is 'mixed'. DHCP is a luxury, but good if you can do it. It's worth the setup time if you've got machines coming and going. You can tell most DHCP servers to allocate a single IP for a single MAC address, so things end up very much like having static IP's. DNS is a luxury as well. It might be useful to specify that we are discussing both a DNS server (named) and DNS clients. A DNS server is useful if you have machines coming and going. On a small, fixed number of machines, a handful of hosts files would suffice for name resolution. Since DHCP will provide an IP address as well as the IP of the DNS server, you would essentially have a network where you can do very minimal network configuration for a number machines and machine types. You plug 'em in, turn 'em on, and telnet servername (http, pop, or whichever service you desire), without specifying *any* numbers of the client. Then, you can automatically, dynamically configure all your machines easily - as if they were all running native Appletalk. (Regardless of the Internet connection or the absence thereof.) This setup is also good preparation for running IP-Chains or any other IP sharing scheme, once the Internet is available. I see where you are going, Mark. Are you certain you want to do Geology? There is a market for network admins with this skill set. Further information is available by looking for Internet Software Consortium, DNS and BIND at your favorite search engine. They've probably got a mailing list discussing the very things you are trying to do. Sorry for the late reply, but I felt the need to put in the $.02. -- // A. Daniel King, // Co-List-Nanny for LEM Compact and Vintage Macs // http://lowendmac.com/lists -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Vintage Macs wrote... From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: my internet problem At 01:59 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote: Yet another reason not to use 7.5 or higher, since VM before 8.1 was awful. How would you characterize VM in 8.1 and later, then? Bob F -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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--- rlf9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vintage Macs wrote... From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: my internet problem At 01:59 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote: Yet another reason not to use 7.5 or higher, since VM before 8.1 was awful. How would you characterize VM in 8.1 and later, then? Still poor because of the way it works. It's lowest amount is the amount of RAM you have plus one meg. RAM Doubler with compression turned off is faster at virtual memory than Apple's VM. RAM Charger works through 8.1 to to replace Apple's memory mismanagement. (The essential functions of RAM Charger will work with 8.5 and 8.6 but some of the extra goodies don't due to changes in some dialog boxes.) = http://www.junkscience.com All the Junk that's fit to Debunk! __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 02:12 AM, the pickle wrote: You shouldn't be running VM if at all possible anyway. Yet another reason not to use 7.5 or higher, since VM before 8.1 was awful. I don't, I was just making the point :). -- Mark Benson Vintage Macs List Nanny aka silicon_valley_pirate_uk (Yahoo! Messenger) SilValleyPirate (AOL Instant Messenger) Visit Flat Pack Macs Online at: http://fpm.gotdns.com Macintosh LC central i was Born in England -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 02:11 AM, the pickle wrote: At 02:55 +0200 on 10/04/02, Marten van de Kraats wrote: System 6 makes a whole lot of difference. You won't believe how much better it is than system 7 at I/O stuff. It is a totally superior server OS. I can't help it. It is just the truth. System 7 is very inefficient. Marten: open your freaking eyes already. System 6 doesn't run on any Macs made after about 1991. You open your eyes - we were talking about a IIci, that machine CAME with System 6. M... I take it you are not the one paying the electricity bill in your household. Otherwise you might think a bit different about it... Mark, he has a point here. The IIci sucks electricity like nobody's business. Damn, not my problem - I'm setting this up for my dad remember :). What I still don't get is where the heck the need for IP addressing on an internal, not-connected-to-the-Internet, LAN is coming from. If you need to do file sharing in the absence of the iBook, you can - just not over TCP/IP. But file sharing over TCP/IP is outrageously slow (especially compared to just AppleTalk over Ethernet) anyway, so there's *no advantage* to it. Any other use that's been mentioned so far in this thread would require an Internet connection, thus necessitating the placement of the iBook *back* into the network. Read this : I am trying to provide a solution I can easily hook another OS X machine or a PC too should I have to. I am trying to create a flexible network infrastructure not just a bit of wet string to talk to a few Macs. I apologise again for swearing at you guys but it stands that I need and want DNS on the internal network, why are you trying to tell me I don't? I posted that before you know, did you read it? The fact is I use AppleTalk for file sharing but also use other *internal* TCP/IP services, such as my Intranet server on MY LCIII. If you can make iCab work via AppleTalk without TCP/IP so I can read the saved web-pages in my LCIII I'd be glad to try it. Until then I keep my IP addresses. Also this network is both on and off the internet and, when I eventually find a modem (which I decided was a prudent course of action) I will need TCP/IP to use it. Thirdly it is always my policy as a network admin that a machine that may be capable of TCP/IP on a network is assigned an IP address, whether is currently uses it or not, to prevent later problems. Having machines floating around on a network with no IP addresses is bad mojo. -- Mark Benson Vintage Macs List Nanny aka silicon_valley_pirate_uk (Yahoo! Messenger) SilValleyPirate (AOL Instant Messenger) Visit Flat Pack Macs Online at: http://fpm.gotdns.com Macintosh LC central i was Born in England -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 03:45 AM, Marten van de Kraats wrote: Sys 6 is all well and good if you have a 1990 or earlier machine. It Aren't those the machines this list is all about? I quote from the FAQ...: Vintage Macs is a forum for users of 68020 and 68030-based Macintosh computers. This includes some compact Macs,* the Mac II series, and LCs. Apple did not stop making 030 based Macs until the LCIII+ and equivalent all-in-one in 1993. -- Mark Benson Vintage Macs List Nanny aka silicon_valley_pirate_uk (Yahoo! Messenger) SilValleyPirate (AOL Instant Messenger) Visit Flat Pack Macs Online at: http://fpm.gotdns.com Macintosh LC central i was Born in England -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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At 02:37 -0400 on 10/04/02, rlf9 wrote: How would you characterize VM in 8.1 and later, then? Not quite as bad. :) It didn't really get *useful* until about 8.5-ish, but 8.1 is where I quit using RAM Doubler and switched to Apple's VM for most stuff. the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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At 10:52 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote: I am trying to provide a solution I can easily hook another OS X machine or a PC too should I have to. I am trying to create a flexible network infrastructure not just a bit of wet string to talk to a few Macs. I apologise again for swearing at you guys but it stands that I need and want DNS on the internal network, why are you trying to tell me I don't? I posted that before you know, did you read it? The fact is I use Yes. You didn't say anything like the following before. AppleTalk for file sharing but also use other *internal* TCP/IP services, such as my Intranet server on MY LCIII. If you can make iCab work via AppleTalk without TCP/IP so I can read the saved web-pages in my LCIII I'd be glad to try it. Until then I keep my IP addresses. Also You didn't say you needed to browse local WWW pages before. You just said I need this without specifying why. Having machines floating around on a network with no IP addresses is bad mojo. Hardly. Especially if they're LocalTalk-only. the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 12:49 PM, the pickle wrote: Yes. You didn't say anything like the following before. AppleTalk for file sharing but also use other *internal* TCP/IP services, such as my Intranet server on MY LCIII. If you can make iCab work via AppleTalk without TCP/IP so I can read the saved web-pages in my LCIII I'd be glad to try it. Until then I keep my IP addresses. Also You didn't say you needed to browse local WWW pages before. You just said I need this without specifying why. I have definitely mentioned needing ahd having internal http somewhere. Having machines floating around on a network with no IP addresses is bad mojo. Hardly. Especially if they're LocalTalk-only. Well this is ethernet. So I give them IP addresses. Why does it matter why I need IPs anyway. The fact is I want, need and have them. I am also trying to share the internet around this network (the whole point of this thread - see the internet bit in the title) which requires TCP/IP does it not? -- Mark Benson Vintage Macs List Nanny aka silicon_valley_pirate_uk (Yahoo! Messenger) SilValleyPirate (AOL Instant Messenger) Visit Flat Pack Macs Online at: http://fpm.gotdns.com Macintosh LC central i was Born in England -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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At 13:12 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote: I have definitely mentioned needing ahd having internal http somewhere. I'm pretty sure you managed to hide it from Eagle and myself if you did :-p trying to share the internet around this network (the whole point of this thread - see the internet bit in the title) which requires TCP/IP does it not? Yes, but like I said, doesn't matter much if the network isn't connected to the Internet... the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 01:18 PM, the pickle wrote: At 13:12 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote: I have definitely mentioned needing ahd having internal http somewhere. I'm pretty sure you managed to hide it from Eagle and myself if you did :-p I quote (again) from a previous message: I have an HTTP server on the LCIII and use SSH to my iBook in emergencies. This is why I have DNS and DHCP and indeed TCP/IP at all. trying to share the internet around this network (the whole point of this thread - see the internet bit in the title) which requires TCP/IP does it not? Yes, but like I said, doesn't matter much if the network isn't connected to the Internet... But it will or should by now be, which was why I asked for your help in the first place - blimey - do I have to use those big play-school magnetic letters to spell it out on you fridge door? I am not going to pursue this any further for the sake of the list - you are allowed one response and then that's the end of this and any related threads on my network. Thanks to those who helped, some of the stuff was at least useful if not to solve the original problem. -- Mark Benson Vintage Macs List Nanny aka silicon_valley_pirate_uk (Yahoo! Messenger) SilValleyPirate (AOL Instant Messenger) Visit Flat Pack Macs Online at: http://fpm.gotdns.com Macintosh LC central i was Born in England -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 08:18 , the pickle wrote: At 13:12 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote: I have definitely mentioned needing ahd having internal http somewhere. I'm pretty sure you managed to hide it from Eagle and myself if you did :-p trying to share the internet around this network (the whole point of this thread - see the internet bit in the title) which requires TCP/IP does it not? Yes, but like I said, doesn't matter much if the network isn't connected to the Internet... The presence or absence of IP addresses in the absence of Internet connectivity is indeed inconsequential. It's as easy to leave them configured as it is to remove it, I suppose. However, we were originally saying that *DNS* is not necessary when Internet connectivity is nonexistent. That is indeed true: you can use hosts files on each machine, but it does get tedius. You can set up any machine in your network capable of running MacDNS, and allow it to serve as your internal DNS server. You can configure your own machine names in that, and let it proxy to the world when necessary (and connected). You don't need a separate DNS server just to talk to the world. Eagle -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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The thread started by the list nanny began with this text: I'm looking for a 56k modem for my LCIII or IIci. I don't have the IIci yet but it eventually takes over as my server when I get it because 7.1 has less crap in it, which while being a bit limp as a desktop OS makes it ideal for a server. Personally I have a very hard time extracting from this text that we are talking about a router or a intranet webserver. BTW I've you need a modem, just visit a shop and by one. Any 56k modem will do. Marten On woensdag, april 10, 2002, at 02:18 , the pickle wrote: At 13:12 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote: I have definitely mentioned needing ahd having internal http somewhere. I'm pretty sure you managed to hide it from Eagle and myself if you did :-p trying to share the internet around this network (the whole point of this thread - see the internet bit in the title) which requires TCP/IP does it not? Yes, but like I said, doesn't matter much if the network isn't connected to the Internet... -- Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html Subscribe to the LEM system6 list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Vintage Macs wrote... Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 02:15:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: my internet problem In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- rlf9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vintage Macs wrote... From: the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: my internet problem At 01:59 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote: Yet another reason not to use 7.5 or higher, since VM before 8.1 was awful. How would you characterize VM in 8.1 and later, then? Still poor because of the way it works. Yes, that's what I think, too (though many say that in 9.x RamDoubler is not a better substitute for VM). Generally I avoid VM whenever possible, everywhere. What about you, Mark? I thought the above VM statement originated with you. Bob F -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 03:12 PM, Eagle wrote: However, we were originally saying that *DNS* is not necessary when Internet connectivity is nonexistent. That is indeed true: you can use hosts files on each machine, but it does get tedius. You can set up any machine in your network capable of running MacDNS, and allow it to serve as your internal DNS server. You can configure your own machine names in that, and let it proxy to the world when necessary (and connected). You don't need a separate DNS server just to talk to the world. So got any tips for configuring NAMED? -- Mark Benson Vintage Macs List Nanny aka silicon_valley_pirate_uk (Yahoo! Messenger) SilValleyPirate (AOL Instant Messenger) Visit Flat Pack Macs Online at: http://fpm.gotdns.com Macintosh LC central i was Born in England -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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So got any tips for configuring NAMED? -- Mark Benson Yep, just do some slight mods to the NetBSD files and you're up and running. :) -- Randy OS X - UNIX for the rest of us NetBSD - Catch the Power! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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I'm looking for a 56k modem for my LCIII or IIci. I don't have the IIci yet but it eventually takes over as my server when I get it because 7.1 has less crap in it, which while being a bit limp as a desktop OS makes it ideal for a server. If anyone has one that will work in the UK or knows any models of popular modem that work with OT 1.1.2 PPP then let me know. -- Mark Benson Vintage Macs List Nanny aka silicon_valley_pirate_uk (Yahoo! Messenger) SilValleyPirate (AOL Instant Messenger) Visit Flat Pack Macs Online at: http://fpm.gotdns.com Macintosh LC central i was Born in England -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On dinsdag, april 9, 2002, at 10:16 , Mark Benson wrote: I'm looking for a 56k modem for my LCIII or IIci. I don't have the IIci yet but it eventually takes over as my server when I get it because 7.1 has less crap in it, which while being a bit limp as a desktop OS makes it ideal for a server. If anyone has one that will work in the UK or knows any models of popular modem that work with OT 1.1.2 PPP then let me know. 1. I understand you use a LCIII as a server, but you want to replace it with a IIci because, you want to run 7.1. Why don't you install 7.1 on your LCIII? It only needs a tiny enabler to run that. BTW 7.1 won't make your server any faster. If you wanna have a faster server, you can do two things: use a faster Mac (like a 68040 or higher) in order to overcome the lousy I/O of system 7 or use that Mac IIci and install system 6 and AS 2... Assembly coded I/O really pays of for a server. I once used a IIci with system 6 as a file server. You won't believe how fast it was. To bad it was rather noisy. Now I use a LC with a disabled fan and a hard disk that falls a sleep as soon as it is finished. It is not very fast, but I don't care about that. If I want a fast connection I access the public folder of my iMac directly. In general: I totally disagree with you on 7.1 being a bit limp for a desktop OS because it has less crap. I consider that to be one of the advantages of 7.1. Not that I use any kind of system 7 on my client machines. I hate system 7 as a client OS. It is far to unstable. On the 3 clients in use at home I run : 6.05, 8.1 and X. -- Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html Subscribe to the LEM system6 list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 12:04 AM, Marten van de Kraats wrote: 1. I understand you use a LCIII as a server, but you want to replace it with a IIci because, you want to run 7.1. Why don't you install 7.1 on your LCIII? It only needs a tiny enabler to run that. I know that, it actually has a 475 board in it (and thus an 040) so it's OK but it is too restricting because it only has room for one NIC. I really want a dual NIC machine, the reason I'm using a IIci instead when I get it, to do multi sub-net IIci so it will be very fast in 7.1 :). I ran 7.1 on my LCIII(475) for about 2 days and decided I might as well install 7.6.1. BTW 7.1 won't make your server any faster. Yes it will, it frees up lots of RAM by getting rid of stupid unnecessary extensions I have found I can't turn off for one reason or another in 7.6.1. It also uses less RAM itself and has less CPU overhead when running idle. If you wanna have a faster server, you can do two things: use a faster Mac (like a 68040 or higher) in order to overcome the lousy I/O of system 7 or use that Mac IIci and install system 6 and AS 2... I need 7.1 or later and OT 1.1.2 to run IPNR - sorry Marten ;). In general: I totally disagree with you on 7.1 being a bit limp for a desktop OS because it has less crap. I consider that to be one of the advantages of 7.1. It is for servers but I like a full featured package for a client/desktop OS, not one I have to botch and scrape to get stuff working in, I only do that for 030 powered machines :). Not that I use any kind of system 7 on my client machines. I hate system 7 as a client OS. So you aren't biased by that at all then ;). It is far to unstable. My server runs 7.6.1 and goes and goes and goes nad.. you get the idea. It ran for a week straight before I took it out to bring it back here for easter and since I set up the DHCP services it has run for a further 8 days and I reset it tonight to reconfigure something (thought I'd take the chance to reboot it and clear it's throat - I always do it when I'm doing a major change on a server)/ On the 3 clients in use at home I run : 6.05, 8.1 and X. I have 3 System 7 machines (LC - 7.0.1 from it's original install disks, SE/30 - 7.1, LCIII(475) - 7.6.1 and solid as a rock) an iBook running OS X and an 840av running 8.1 (it has a 40 GB hard disk in at the mo so needs HFS+ :) ). I'm happy with all except the LC but it stays as it is because it's in 100% original state. -- Mark Benson Vintage Macs List Nanny aka silicon_valley_pirate_uk (Yahoo! Messenger) SilValleyPirate (AOL Instant Messenger) Visit Flat Pack Macs Online at: http://fpm.gotdns.com Macintosh LC central i was Born in England -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On woensdag, april 10, 2002, at 01:43 , Mark Benson wrote: BTW 7.1 won't make your server any faster. Yes it will, it frees up lots of RAM by getting rid of stupid unnecessary extensions I have found I can't turn off for one reason or another in 7.6.1. It also uses less RAM itself and has less CPU overhead when running idle. That may all be true, but it won't improve the speed of file serving with system 7. If you wanna have a faster server, you can do two things: use a faster Mac (like a 68040 or higher) in order to overcome the lousy I/O of system 7 or use that Mac IIci and install system 6 and AS 2... I need 7.1 or later and OT 1.1.2 to run IPNR - sorry Marten ;). Mmmm... We are not talking about a file server here. We are obviously talking about some routing device In that case you are better of with system 7.1 or higher indeed. Not that I use any kind of system 7 on my client machines. I hate system 7 as a client OS. It is far to unstable. My server runs 7.6.1 and goes and goes and goes nad.. you get the idea. It ran for a week straight before I took it out to bring it back here for easter and since I set up the DHCP services it has run for a further 8 days and I reset it tonight to reconfigure something (thought I'd take the chance to reboot it and clear it's throat - I always do it when I'm doing a major change on a server)/ I said: system 7 sucks as a client OS. I don't have that much problems with system as server OS. My own server runs 7.01 and AS 3, I hardly ever have to reboot it. It has run for months, 24x7. I never turn its monitor on, it just sits under my desk without a keyboard, only a mouse. Routing I do the proper way: using a hardware router with a inbuilt (limited) firewall. On the 3 clients in use at home I run : 6.05, 8.1 and X. I have 3 System 7 machines (LC - 7.0.1 from it's original install disks, SE/30 - 7.1, LCIII(475) - 7.6.1 and solid as a rock) an iBook running OS X and an 840av running 8.1 (it has a 40 GB hard disk in at the mo so needs HFS+ :) ). I'm happy with all except the LC but it stays as it is because it's in 100% original state. 7.6.1 is pretty solid, though not as a rock, not compared to OS X anyway. -- Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html Subscribe to the LEM system6 list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 01:03 AM, Marten van de Kraats wrote: That may all be true, but it won't improve the speed of file serving with system 7. Yes but in that case System 6 won't do much for it either because it ultimately depends on the hardware, a you rightly say. A 68k Mac struggles to saturate 10baseT anyway (unless it's a late Quadra, that can saturate it just) neither my SE/30 or my LCIII(475) come close. I need 7.1 or later and OT 1.1.2 to run IPNR - sorry Marten ;). Mmmm... We are not talking about a file server here. We are obviously talking about some routing device In that case you are better of with system 7.1 or higher indeed. Erm, he whole internet thing in the title was a minor give away wasn't it ;). My server runs 7.6.1 and goes and goes and goes nad.. you get the idea. It ran for a week straight before I took it out to bring it back here for easter and since I set up the DHCP services it has run for a further 8 days and I reset it tonight to reconfigure something (thought I'd take the chance to reboot it and clear it's throat - I always do it when I'm doing a major change on a server)/ I said: system 7 sucks as a client OS. I used 7.6.1 as a desktop/client OS for a while on my LCIII(475) before I got my Quadra and it was solid there too. I don't have that much problems with system as server OS. My own server runs 7.01 and AS 3, I hardly ever have to reboot it. It has run for months, 24x7. I never turn its monitor on, it just sits under my desk without a keyboard, only a mouse. Routing I do the proper way: using a hardware router with a inbuilt (limited) firewall. You gonna rob a bank for me are you? I can't afford a router, I deem it unnecessary as I have all the hardware (with a little purchasing) to do it now and can save myself £100s and rescue another IIci and a Rocket and put it to good use. 7.6.1 is pretty solid, though not as a rock, not compared to OS X anyway. That's a bit unfair, comparing it to Unix ;). It's not as solid as 9.1 if yo want a modern comparison but it's pretty close. -- Mark Benson Vintage Macs List Nanny aka silicon_valley_pirate_uk (Yahoo! Messenger) SilValleyPirate (AOL Instant Messenger) Visit Flat Pack Macs Online at: http://fpm.gotdns.com Macintosh LC central i was Born in England -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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At 00:43 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote: Yes it will, it frees up lots of RAM by getting rid of stupid unnecessary extensions I have found I can't turn off for one reason or another in 7.6.1. It also uses less RAM itself and has less CPU overhead when running idle. Now you're starting to see my argument. Of course, simply freeing up RAM won't make file sharing any faster. I need 7.1 or later and OT 1.1.2 to run IPNR - sorry Marten ;). Good luck getting 6 running on an LC III anyway :) the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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That may all be true, but it won't improve the speed of file serving with system 7. Yes but in that case System 6 won't do much for it either because it ultimately depends on the hardware, a you rightly say. A 68k Mac struggles to saturate 10baseT anyway (unless it's a late Quadra, that can saturate it just) neither my SE/30 or my LCIII(475) come close. System 6 makes a whole lot of difference. You won't believe how much better it is than system 7 at I/O stuff. It is a totally superior server OS. I can't help it. It is just the truth. System 7 is very inefficient. Mmmm... We are not talking about a file server here. We are obviously talking about some routing device In that case you are better of with system 7.1 or higher indeed. Erm, he whole internet thing in the title was a minor give away wasn't it ;). Yep, but in the text you were constantly talking about a server. The machine you are using isn't a server. It is a Mac running a software router. I said: system 7 sucks as a client OS. I used 7.6.1 as a desktop/client OS for a while on my LCIII(475) before I got my Quadra and it was solid there too. No it wasn't solid. Maybe compared to 7.5. You gonna rob a bank for me are you? I can't afford a router, I deem it unnecessary as I have all the hardware (with a little purchasing) to do it now and can save myself £100s and rescue another IIci and a Rocket and put it to good use. M... I take it you are not the one paying the electricity bill in your household. Otherwise you might think a bit different about it... 7.6.1 is pretty solid, though not as a rock, not compared to OS X anyway. That's a bit unfair, comparing it to Unix ;). It's not as solid as 9.1 if yo want a modern comparison but it's pretty close. It doesn't even come close to Mac OS 8.1. And if you like, I can also give you a not so modern comparison... I happen to know this OS that is much stabler still than 9.1, but I guess you already know which system I'm talking about. -- Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html Subscribe to the LEM system6 list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 01:45 AM, the pickle wrote: At 00:43 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote: Yes it will, it frees up lots of RAM by getting rid of stupid unnecessary extensions I have found I can't turn off for one reason or another in 7.6.1. It also uses less RAM itself and has less CPU overhead when running idle. Now you're starting to see my argument. In the case of a server and *only* a server yes. Of course, simply freeing up RAM won't make file sharing any faster. It does if it means there is RAM free to pass thru out going files. If no RAM is free then the machine has to free it by moving stuff from the RAM to VM and then sending the file, all of which uses up time. I need 7.1 or later and OT 1.1.2 to run IPNR - sorry Marten ;). Good luck getting 6 running on an LC III anyway :) You missed the bit about the IIci then I take it ;). -- Mark Benson Vintage Macs List Nanny aka silicon_valley_pirate_uk (Yahoo! Messenger) SilValleyPirate (AOL Instant Messenger) Visit Flat Pack Macs Online at: http://fpm.gotdns.com Macintosh LC central i was Born in England -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On woensdag, april 10, 2002, at 02:45 , the pickle wrote: Good luck getting 6 running on an LC III anyway :) You are not going to need luck if you replace the LCIII with a IIci, which was the idea in the first place. -- Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html Subscribe to the LEM system6 list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 01:55 AM, Marten van de Kraats wrote: Yes but in that case System 6 won't do much for it either because it ultimately depends on the hardware, a you rightly say. A 68k Mac struggles to saturate 10baseT anyway (unless it's a late Quadra, that can saturate it just) neither my SE/30 or my LCIII(475) come close. System 6 makes a whole lot of difference. You won't believe how much better it is than system 7 at I/O stuff. It is a totally superior server OS. I can't help it. It is just the truth. System 7 is very inefficient. Yes, you could say that. All that stupid new-fangled PPC code I guess. Still, I need 7.1 or later so it's a bit academic. I'm afraid I'm stuck with crappy 7.1 ;). Erm, he whole internet thing in the title was a minor give away wasn't it ;). Yep, but in the text you were constantly talking about a server. The machine you are using isn't a server. It is a Mac running a software router. If I'm not mistaken a server is defined a computer that provides one or more services to a network. Routing being a service I think it qualifies. Besides it is also serving DHCP, DNS and HTTP to my internal network so it is a server not just a router. No it wasn't solid. Maybe compared to 7.5. You mist do nasty things to it - it crashed one and it was a bad extension. I admit I only ran Word 5.1 and FMPro 3 on it most of the time but it was solid for me. M... I take it you are not the one paying the electricity bill in your household. Otherwise you might think a bit different about it... Naah, I live with my folks :). I pay it at University but we have gas heating and so it is relatively cheap even with 15 computers going at once (including 2 servers). I won't need my IIci's services at Uni though so it won't be on all the time. It doesn't even come close to Mac OS 8.1. And if you like, I can also give you a not so modern comparison... I happen to know this OS that is much stabler still than 9.1, but I guess you already know which system I'm talking about. Sys 6 is all well and good if you have a 1990 or earlier machine. It won't run on most machines made after 1991 though so that rules out all but 2 of my machines. The LC would run it but it's my shiny 'as is' original 1991 LC with Claris Works 1.0 and a stonking 512MB VRAM and 4MB RAM. -- Mark Benson Vintage Macs List Nanny aka silicon_valley_pirate_uk (Yahoo! Messenger) SilValleyPirate (AOL Instant Messenger) Visit Flat Pack Macs Online at: http://fpm.gotdns.com Macintosh LC central i was Born in England -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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At 02:55 +0200 on 10/04/02, Marten van de Kraats wrote: System 6 makes a whole lot of difference. You won't believe how much better it is than system 7 at I/O stuff. It is a totally superior server OS. I can't help it. It is just the truth. System 7 is very inefficient. Marten: open your freaking eyes already. System 6 doesn't run on any Macs made after about 1991. M... I take it you are not the one paying the electricity bill in your household. Otherwise you might think a bit different about it... Mark, he has a point here. The IIci sucks electricity like nobody's business. What I still don't get is where the heck the need for IP addressing on an internal, not-connected-to-the-Internet, LAN is coming from. If you need to do file sharing in the absence of the iBook, you can - just not over TCP/IP. But file sharing over TCP/IP is outrageously slow (especially compared to just AppleTalk over Ethernet) anyway, so there's *no advantage* to it. Any other use that's been mentioned so far in this thread would require an Internet connection, thus necessitating the placement of the iBook *back* into the network. So where the heck is the problem? the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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At 01:59 +0100 on 10/04/02, Mark Benson wrote: Of course, simply freeing up RAM won't make file sharing any faster. It does if it means there is RAM free to pass thru out going files. If no RAM is free then the machine has to free it by moving stuff from the RAM to VM and then sending the file, all of which uses up time. You shouldn't be running VM if at all possible anyway. Yet another reason not to use 7.5 or higher, since VM before 8.1 was awful. the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml Software Archive ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/ _ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On woensdag, april 10, 2002, at 03:11 , the pickle wrote: Marten: open your freaking eyes already. System 6 doesn't run on any Macs made after about 1991. And since when is the IIci a Mac made after about 1991? -- Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html Subscribe to the LEM system6 list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: my internet problem
On woensdag, april 10, 2002, at 03:09 , Mark Benson wrote: System 6 makes a whole lot of difference. You won't believe how much better it is than system 7 at I/O stuff. It is a totally superior server OS. I can't help it. It is just the truth. System 7 is very inefficient. Yes, you could say that. All that stupid new-fangled PPC code I guess. Nope. System 6 was just written a lot better, from the ground up. Very well written assembly code instead of bloat written in high level languages. Not necessarily having to do anything with ppc code. Sys 6 is all well and good if you have a 1990 or earlier machine. It Aren't those the machines this list is all about? -- Check out the System 6 Heaven: http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html Subscribe to the LEM system6 list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: my internet problem
Subject: Re: my internet problem From: Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My server runs 7.6.1 and goes and goes and goes and.. you get the idea. I have 3 System 7 machines (LC - 7.0.1 from it's original install disks, SE/30 - 7.1, LCIII(475) - 7.6.1 and solid as a rock)... Is that 7.6.1 with or without PPC code? I have a PPC-stripped version of 7.6.1 running in an LC575 and like its behavior so far. Bob F -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
