RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Ron,

 

The app is in the Canadian app store since I bought it first thing this
morning. A search for KNFB did the trick for me, first result was Blio and
then came KNFB Reader. Are you just typing it in and then check the matches
or are you typing in KNFB and then double tap on the Search button. I find
it is often much easier to find things if you tap the Search button and I
have gotten used to always doing so.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 

Jonathan,

 

What is the app called in the app store? I searched for KNFB and didn't find
anything. Perhaps its not in the Canadian app store yet. I, for sure am
getting it when I can find it

 

Ron  Danvers

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
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Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 

I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone
5s. I couldn't be more impressed.

I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came
to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page
of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The
feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly
helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more
information about camera positioning and angle.

And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.

It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly
it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast,
or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

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http://Mosen.org

 

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Re: Family Sharing Purchased Apps

2014-09-19 Thread Harry Bell
I'm wondering about Family Sharing with my partner, but I am concerned that she 
only uses an easily guessable simple passcode on her iPad. Am I worrying 
unnecessarily about what I might be liable for if someone steals her ipad? Harry

 

 On 18 Sep 2014, at 23:38, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How do they determine that it's a family member? Do they have to be in
 the same city/country?
 
 On 9/18/14, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 Hi Deb, I had this problem when I first set up family sharing. But I found
 that once a family sharing member makes a purchase, it seems to come right.
 Jonathan Mosen
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 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 19/09/2014, at 8:31 am, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 My husband and I have enabled the family sharing. I am the Organizer
 and he's the Family Member. He is able to search for apps in the App
 store and if I've purchased them, he can download them. But he's
 supposed to be able to go to the Purchased Apps fsection and see what
 I've downloaded. He used to do this by logging into my account of
 course. When he goes to Purchased apps it tells him that he's using
 the Family Sharing for his purchases. But there's no option to choose
 me as his host for purchases. What are we missing?
 Thanks in advance.
 
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RE: knfb reader on Iphone 4s?

2014-09-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
The 4S still has an 8 MP camera just as the 5, 5C, 5S,6 and 6 Plus do. Only
difference is that it has a sensor with slightly smaller pixels and it
doesn't have the true tone flash. Since the pixels seem to primarily be
important when it comes to low light and the true tone flash is mostly
important to cover colours better, I doubt this would make much of a
difference. Yes, I know KNFB isn't officially supporting the 4S and they
justified their late release by saying the camera on the iPhone never was
good enough, but while I love the app I am not sure if I entirely trust
their explanations. Their public relations guy, Jim, said some things which
are simply not correct and I thought almost indicated a certain amount of
ignorance. But it's all good, the app is out and just as Jonathan already
said, it also exceeded my expectations although I never did spring for the
$1,500 to get KNFB Reader on a Nokia years ago.


Regards,
Sieghard

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The 4S also doesn't have as good of a camera.

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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: knfb reader on Iphone 4s?


If you listen to the people from the company demonstrating it, it isn't
supported.

Ron  Danvers


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Is it true that the reader will not work on a 4s?

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iOS and a smiling Face

2014-09-19 Thread Kelly Ford


Hello,

Is this new to iOS 8 or something I just never noticed before? I needed a 
picture of myself so took one. What was new to me was that when viewing the 
photo VO now read Face 1: smiling when I touched the picture.

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Re: Using iTunes to update will take far less space

2014-09-19 Thread Harry Bell
On the evening of the ios 8 release here in the UK, when I connected my iPad 
Air to my PC running tge latest itunes, itunes kept insisting that ios 7.1.2 
was the current version when I asked it to check for updates but when I 
unplugged and checked on the iPad over the air, ios 8 was there to download. Is 
there a lag in the update becoming available via iTunes? Harry

 

 On 18 Sep 2014, at 23:35, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Yes, just one of many reasons why updating via iTunes is not only a superior 
 option, but a far more accessible one.
 Jonathan Mosen
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 On 19/09/2014, at 8:35 am, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:
 
 Someone on this list has already reported this, but I just wanted to second 
 it.
  
 I was just reading an article about the number of people who are using 
 social media to complain to apple about how much space it used on the device 
 to download and update iOS 8. The article reminded people that using iTunes 
 would take far less room on the device. I don’t have the numbers handy, but 
 it is a significant difference.
  
 Neal
 
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RE: BUG DETECTED

2014-09-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Yes, double tap twice or triple tap once will do the trick.

 

 

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Subject: Re: BUG DETECTED

 

Hi Tom, it's just that the prompt is erroneous. You have to double-tap the
confirm clear notification button twice.

Jonathan Mosen

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http://Mosen.org

 

On 19/09/2014, at 10:01 am, Tom Rash dadinthed...@verizon.net
mailto:dadinthed...@verizon.net  wrote:

 

jUST UPGRADED TO ios 8 ON AN IpHONE 5s.  oNE BUG IS THAT DOUBLE TAPPING TO
CONFIRM CLEARING SOMETHING IN NOTIFICATIONS does not clear the notification
on the home screen.  Any work arounds for that, and is this a known bug

 

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RE: trouble entering a gift card on itunes

2014-09-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Steve,

If you have an iPhone it's much easier. Here is what I do:

1. Open the App Stor
2. Touch the bottom left of the screen and put focus on the Featured tab.
Make sure it is selected and swipe left 4 times from there. First time you
get to the Terms and Conditions, second swipe goes to your Apple Id, third
on to Send Gift and the fourth to Redeem.
3. Double tap on the Redeem button, it will ask you to sign in with your
password, do so.
4. Most iTunes gift cards can be scanned. Tap on the Use Camera button
after you scratch the card to reveal the gift card code. Now just hold the
card in front of the backfacing camera and check to see if the code was
captured. If so tap on the Redeem button at the top right of the screen and
you are done. If not there is an edit field where you can enter the code
manually. After doing so tap the Redeem button at the top right of the
screen.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Hi Everyone,
I am a fairly new user to the iPhone and to this list. Okay here goes does
anyone know how to enter in a gift card when using itunes I am using itunes
on my pc.
Thank you all very much for any help.

Regards,
Steve Cullen

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Re: Can't access some of the new Message app features

2014-09-19 Thread Earle
Yes, that is exactly how it works.  The only problem I have found is, you can't 
tell which camera is currently chosen.  I've also noticed that VoiceOver 
doesn't always give feedback on whether or not the face is centred.

Earle
On Sep 18, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

 Thanks for making me look into this! It turns out the attach media button 
 is the key: double tap to choose and sent images, as before; double tap *and 
 hold* to open a popover with picture and video options, plus a button to 
 decide which camera gets used.
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:34 PM, David Cleveland davidtclevel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Thanks. I was able to find the location sharing under the details button. I 
 didn't think to look there. In this podcast I was listening to and they 
 talked about the ability to take a selfie from within the messages and send 
 it quickly.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I haven't tried videos, but sending photos is using the attach media 
 button, and location sharing is in the details of a thread (top right 
 corner).
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:11 PM, David Cleveland davidtclevel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Some of the new messaging features in IOS 8 don't seem to be accessible 
 with Voiceover.
 -- Location sharing
 -- Send video
 -- Send photo
  
 The only new feture I get when sending an iMessage is Record Audio.  Am 
 I missing something?
  
 DC
 
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Re: family sharing

2014-09-19 Thread Mária Orovčíková
Hello list,
please, could anyone explain what is family sharing and how does it work?
Is it free or paid?
How many members can I share with?
Thanks in advance.
With kind regards
Maria
Sent from iphone

Dňa 19.9.2014, o 4:12, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com napísal:

 You can set it up before she upgrades, but you'll add her after she does.
 
 On 9/18/14, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com wrote:
 Hi Jonathan,
 First, I found your book most helpful.
 Second, as a follow up to Don's question, can I set up family sharing before
 my wife upgrades to iOS 8?
 I'm guessing not, but the only dumb question is the one not asked.
 Richard
 
 
 Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education. - Victor
 Hugo
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi Don, yes you can.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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 On 19/09/2014, at 11:24 am, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:
 
 I'm considforing buying the knfb reader, but due to the cost I'd  like my
 wife !be able to use it as well. She hasn't upgraded to ios8 yet.
 
 My question, can I purchase it before I sign up for family sharing and
 let her have access to it after family sharing is set up?
 
 Thanks,
 Don
 
 
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RE: For People wanting to downgrade back to 7.1.2

2014-09-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
You can get the IPSW file at www.IPSWDownloader.com
Please make sure you know exactly which phone model you have so you can
download the appropriate file. It is not enough to know that you have an
iPhone 5C or 5S since there are different models of these for different
markets/carriers. The model can be found on the back of the phone, it will
be a letter and 4 numbers, e.g. A1533.

Once the file is downloaded you must first unzip/extract it to get to the
IPSW file you need. In Windows the file type will be announced as Apple
Software Update File.


Regards,
Sieghard

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RE: my iPhone 4ws

2014-09-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Rose,

Just keep in mind that while the KNFB Reader app works fantastically well it
will not do barcodes. I find that for recognizing food items and packages
that Camfind often does a very good job and there is no need for Camfind to
actually see the barcode.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rose Combs
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: my iPhone 4ws

Well, I have a 4S and I plan to upgrade eventually, probably after all the
hoopla goes away, I want to try out the NFB reader for one, finding myself
alone at home means I need to read a lot more than I did in the past, my
luck has not been the best at using the current scanning devices on the
phone but many times I am not next to my flatbed scanner and computer, I
have a barcode scanner on the computer but it is not near or in the kitchen
which is where I find I need it most, if I can gather this type of
information from my phone reliably I am going to do it.  If I were actually
able much as I hate to say it, I'd be at the Verizon store tomorrow morning
but, that is not possible.  My 4S has been my friend for almost three years
but there comes a time.  



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Barry Hadder
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: my iphone 4ws

In my opinion, the 4S was the best iPhone design.

I currently use a 4 so I'm going to have to upgrade to something at this
point.  But, if I had a 4S, I wouldn't even be thinking about it.

On Sep 15, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Christopher Hallsworth
challswor...@icloud.com wrote:

I have the 4s and others will too. It's a great phone and still is. Just
showing its age grin.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 11/09/2014 21:30, Stephen G. Hughes wrote:
   Is there any 4s users still out there? Understand the hoopla of the
 new 6 release; just wondered if there any 4s'ers still out there?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of BBS
 Sent: September-11-14 1:25 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: IOS8!!!
 
 Hi Krister. Basically what continuity is is you can start something like
 writing an email on one device and continue what you were doing on
another.
 For example, If I started writing this email on my iPhone and I'm near my
 Mac, if my Mac's running OS X Yosemite, I can continue this very same
email
 on there. However, iOS 8 and Yosemite are still in beta so those features
 aren't available to us yet. I'm with you though. I can't wait until we can
 use continuity because it also lets Mac users use the Mac as a blutooth
 speaker for our iPhones so we can make and answer calls.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White Macbook
 - Original Message -
 From: Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:03 AM
 Subject: Re: IOS8!!!
 
 
 And i can't wait to use the Continuity feature even though i don't
 understand how it's supposed to be done or used. Does anyone know anything
 about that?
 /Krister
 
 11 sep 2014 kl. 02:56 skrev Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com:
 
 You get on your knees and pray/bag the apple computer gods that the
iPhone
 doesn't get the iOS 8 update.
 
 I am looking forward to iOS 8.  I can't wait to use the hand off features
 and apple pay.
 
 Best,
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:43 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: IOS8!!!
 
 No, anybody is responding my question. If I don't want to update my
 iPhone
 5s, to IOs8. Because I don't want, I don't want to hurt feelings here,
it
 is
 because I don't want, it is not because bugs, ok?
 Now, if I don't want to do it. In case that I want, or I need to do a
 restore, of my iPhone. When I press restore, the iTunes automatically,,
 start downloading the last update available.
 But I don't want to install it, what can I do to keep the IOs 7  in my
 computer, and do not download any update to my computer when I need to
 do a
 restore?
 Thanks
 
 
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RE: How do I delete a location in the weather radio app by WDT

2014-09-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Anita and Wren,

A much easier way is to just swipe down or up on the city, the action rotor
works in the Weather app and a single finger swipe up or down puts you on
Delete just like when you delete a text message or email, then double tap
and it's done.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Of Gadget Girl
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How do I delete a location in the weather radio app by WDT

Hello.  Do a 2-finger double-tap on the city you want to delete.  Next, do a
single finger swipe to the right until you reach the delete button and do a
single finger double-tap on that.

Regards,
Gadget Girl 

Sent from my Apple gadget.  Apple, take a bite, express yourself.

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 9:32 PM, Lea Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
 
 Hi all, I would very much appreciate help with this because I have three
Independence Missouri locations. I know how I got to but I don't know how I
got the third so I would like to know how do I delete a location. I couldn't
find it anywhere in the app. Thank you all very much for the help God bless,
Wren Langley
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Phone calls from your Mac

2014-09-19 Thread Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona

will this also work with a ipod 5th gen?

On 9/18/2014 10:54 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
Also, blotch must be enabled on both devices and paired. I know this 
because I called myself with my home line, and it only went to my 
phone. When I told my Mac to connect to my iPhone using Blutooth, the 
call went to both devices and I was also able to make calls from my Mac.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

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Hi Bill, as long as both devices are signed into the same Wi-Fi 
network and Apple ID, I think it's all on by default. You can check 
under System Preferences, General on your Mac that Handoff is 
enabled, and there is a Handoff settings in iOS as well.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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On 19/09/2014, at 1:19 pm, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com 
mailto:bill32...@gmail.com wrote:


Where do I go to get started setting up?
Thanks.
Bill



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org 
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote:


Hi Bill, It's working fine for me with iOS 8 and the Yosemite beta. 
The Mac makes an incredibly good speaker phone actually.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/

On 19/09/2014, at 8:48 am, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com 
mailto:bill32...@gmail.com wrote:


Does nyone know if the ability to make and receive calls from your 
Mac will be working with iOS 8 and the Yosemite beta?   Do I need 
either to wait for my iPhone 6 or for the full Yosemite or both?  
Thanks.


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Re: knfb reader on Iphone 4s?

2014-09-19 Thread Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona

will it work on a ipod touch 5th gen?
Hank

On 9/18/2014 11:18 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:

The cayenne FB reader will work on an iPhone for ass. I have an iPhone 4s and I 
loaded the KNFB reader on it this morning. It works fine!
The differences is the processor is much slower. You do not get immediate 
results. When you scan it takes about five or six seconds for it to start 
reading. Other than that it works just as well!



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Itunes and podcasts

2014-09-19 Thread Harry Bell
I back up my iPhone 5s to my PC using latest iTunes. iTunes on my PC shows 200+ 
podcasts in its Podcasts section (I.e. Not the section showing what is on my 
phone but what is on the PC iTunes when my iPhone is not plugged in) and these 
podcasts use up a lot of space. If I delete the 200 podcasts from the Podcasts 
section of the PC iTunes, will the podcasts on my iPhone disappear next time I 
plug it in and do an automatic sync and backup? Thanks
Harry

 

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Re: for those using the iphone 4s

2014-09-19 Thread RobH.
I'm on a 4s and not had these issues,...   yet.

But I'm not being very demanding on my devices either.  It gets a bit behind 
my roving finger when looking  for controls and things,  so just stop and 
wait forit to catch up.

R.
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Subject: for those using the iphone 4s


I'd noticed a terrible bug I think.
Voiceover seems to cut on and off while I'm doing things. For example, I was 
downloading updates to apps, and suddenly I was told voiceover on. Same when 
I was browsing audioboo.
Also, braille input is so slow it is driving me crazy!
Steph

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Re: Phone calls from your Mac

2014-09-19 Thread christopher hallsworth
What's blodch?
On 19 Sep 2014, at 06:54, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:

 Also, blotch must be enabled on both devices and paired. I know this because 
 I called myself with my home line, and it only went to my phone. When I told 
 my Mac to connect to my iPhone using Blutooth, the call went to both devices 
 and I was also able to make calls from my Mac.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 9:34 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi Bill, as long as both devices are signed into the same Wi-Fi network and 
 Apple ID, I think it's all on by default. You can check under System 
 Preferences, General on your Mac that Handoff is enabled, and there is a 
 Handoff settings in iOS as well.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 19/09/2014, at 1:19 pm, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Where do I go to get started setting up?
 Thanks.
 Bill
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi Bill, It's working fine for me with iOS 8 and the Yosemite beta. The 
 Mac makes an incredibly good speaker phone actually.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 19/09/2014, at 8:48 am, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Does nyone know if the ability to make and receive calls from your Mac 
 will be working with iOS 8 and the Yosemite beta?   Do I need either to 
 wait for my iPhone 6 or for the full Yosemite or both?  Thanks.
  
  
 
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Re: for those using the iphone 4s

2014-09-19 Thread Brett
Hi, 

I am not really seeing these issues. 

I am writing this with braille. 

The only issue I am seeing regularly, is that VO is slow to start speeking 
again when I close an app. It takes about 3 to 5 seconds to start speaking 
again. 

Cheers, 
Brett. 

Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone

 On 19 Sep 2014, at 5:49 pm, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 I'm on a 4s and not had these issues,...   yet.
 
 But I'm not being very demanding on my devices either.  It gets a bit behind 
 my roving finger when looking  for controls and things,  so just stop and 
 wait forit to catch up.
 
 R.
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 From: Stephanie natureloving...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:57 AM
 Subject: for those using the iphone 4s
 
 
 I'd noticed a terrible bug I think.
 Voiceover seems to cut on and off while I'm doing things. For example, I was 
 downloading updates to apps, and suddenly I was told voiceover on. Same when 
 I was browsing audioboo.
 Also, braille input is so slow it is driving me crazy!
 Steph
 
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Re: Moving apps from the row above the dock (was Re: have anyone noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S?)

2014-09-19 Thread RobH.
I checked this, and it all seems right;  though a risky business checking 
Delete, when you don't want to lose anything.

But yes, I got to the last row and VO did say double tap to delete.

Rh.
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:02 PM
Subject: Moving apps from the row above the dock (was Re: have anyone 
noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S?)


This did not work for me. I had to do as others have suggested and first 
move an app down into the row above the dock before I could then move apps 
out of that row.

Cheryl

Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances;
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 3:03 PM, Christopher Sabine jsab...@cinci.rr.com 
 wrote:

 Hi guys. I haven’t been following this thread completely, but here’s what 
 I’ve found with deleting / moving apps.

 When I deleted two apps successfully after just installing the update 
 yesterday, I found that the Iphone won’t enter app edit mode if you double 
 tap and hold on an icon above the doc. However, if I did the same double 
 tap and hold on another icon on the screen, I went into edit mode as 
 usual. From there, I could delete the app I needed that was above the doc 
 and move / delete as usual—so this is a ffairly minor annoyance, but the 
 workaround is really straightforward.

 HTH,

 Chris.

 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Cheryl Lenartiene
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:53 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: have anyone noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S?

 Yes, I followed every step outlined below, and I have this problem on my 
 5C.

 Cheryl


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 for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18

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 On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 I can delete apps and folders as always. I also have no problems on my 5S 
 moving apps out of the bottom row or into the bottom row.

 I wonder if some of you who installed iOS 8 on a 4S or for that matter on 
 any iDevice follow a few simple pre-install steps:

 1.   If you use iTunes, connect your phone, transfer purchases, sync 
 and backup.
 2.   Now remove all apps from the app switcher
 3.   Go to Settings, General, Reset and double tap “Reset Network 
 Settings”. This will reset your network setting to the factory default and 
 reboot your phone. You will have to connect to your WiFi again and enter 
 your password after the phone reboots.
 4.   Now do your update to iOS 8.


 Regards,
 Sieghard


 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Cris Ali
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: have anyone noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S?

 This is a serious problem.  I wonder if it is only a 4S problem or is it 
 in all other versions of the iPhone!
 Cris

 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Yolanda
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:57 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: have anyone noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S?

 On 9/18/2014 6:27 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
 I have this problem only if the app is on the line above the dock. You can 
 get around it by moving anotther app to the last line. Diakogeorgiou

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Cris Ali filasti...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hello folks,

 It looks that a very important function has been totally disabled with 
 iOS8 on the 4s.  The holding on the second tap to remove apps and folders 
 no longer works.  This is a very serious bug that disabled a very crucial 
 function.  Now, if you install apps, you can’t remove them.  I am not sure 
 if this is a problem specific to iOS8 on the 4S, a problem specific to my 
 own device in a strike of bad luck, or a worldwide problem on all versions 
 of the iPhones with iOS8.  Can you please confirm this problem or tell me 
 how to go around it if it is particular to my device?

 Warm Regards,

 Cris

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Re: Apple Engineers in 'War Room' Tracking Down iOS 8 Issues on Social Media - Mac Rumors

2014-09-19 Thread christopher hallsworth
What's their Twitter ID?
On 19 Sep 2014, at 05:05, Michael Reiser mike.rei...@icloud.com wrote:

 Apple Accessibility does have a Twitter account,@appleax. What encourage 
 people to give feedback there, and also go to apple.com/feedback. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 9:03 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 What  I found even nore interesting is a link on that page to an article on 
 some of the more obscure changes to ios.
 
 John Diakogeorgiou
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 9:15 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I thought many here would find this interesting.
 
 http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/18/apple-engineers-fixing-ios-8/?utm_source=osxutm_medium=pushutm_campaign=ios
 
 
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Re: IOS 8 and MBraille

2014-09-19 Thread RobH.
The one caveat we all keep missing, is the .sms, or the sms screen it takes 
you to, seems to have a glitch with a dead Send button.  Several have 
commented on it.  I found it too,  might be a 4s user thing, but don't think 
so.


Otherwise, yes, good for the little I've tried it.

Rh.
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Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: IOS 8 and MBraille


It is working fine.
Since I am familiar with its commands, I am using it rather than the new 
braille input from Apple.
Richard


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 Is anyone on the list using MBraille with IOS 8?  If so, how is it 
 working?  I use it all the time and am unwilling to give it up.  Thanks in 
 advance.
 God bless!
 Paula and Babe
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Re: Removing 1000 email at once via iphone? Is i t possible?

2014-09-19 Thread Gary Petraccaro
If you kill the account, you can do it that way.  Might not be what you want 
to do, though.

Good luck.

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Re: iOS8: Enter Passcode with Braille Screen Input?

2014-09-19 Thread RobH.
I haven't done the calbrate thing, I use it as-is, and worked thus far.
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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: iOS8: Enter Passcode with Braille Screen Input?


Ah,, ok, thanks, Alex. This is not working for me, however. I may be 
experiencing a bit of a learning curve. There doesn't seem to be much leeway 
once calibrating is finished. And I'm consistently getting 0 values.

Teresa

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with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

 If you are referring to my message, that's what I meant. I do a 3-finger 
 swipe right to get to the passcode screen, and always. I then rotor right 
 once to braille input mode, type my passcode as described in my last 
 message, and that's it, my phone unlocks immediately.
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 I'm sorry for the confusion. I was referring to onscreen Braille input, 
 as in setting the rotor to Braille and entering it on the touch-screen.

 Teresa

 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing 
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:13 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

 Yes, I do it all the time. I hit the number sign, the numbers (not 
 dropped), and once I hit the last one, my device unlocks.
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:23 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 Hi, all,
 Is this doable? I haven't made it work. No characters are entered.

 Thanks,
 Teresa

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Re: Apple Engineers in 'War Room' Tracking Down iOS 8 Issues on Social Media - Mac Rumors

2014-09-19 Thread Michael Reiser
The account is @AppleAX 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 19, 2014, at 2:06 AM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 What's their Twitter ID?
 On 19 Sep 2014, at 05:05, Michael Reiser mike.rei...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Apple Accessibility does have a Twitter account,@appleax. What encourage 
 people to give feedback there, and also go to apple.com/feedback. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 9:03 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 What  I found even nore interesting is a link on that page to an article on 
 some of the more obscure changes to ios.
 
 John Diakogeorgiou
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 9:15 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I thought many here would find this interesting.
 
 http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/18/apple-engineers-fixing-ios-8/?utm_source=osxutm_medium=pushutm_campaign=ios
 
 
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-19 Thread RobH.
I thought camera spec might have been the main issue with older models.

surprised Protrait mode doesn't work better since it is the more natural 
shape of pages.

R, thinking about it.
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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


Ar, good to know KNFB Reader works on the 4s or be it slower. My impression 
was they wasn't going to support the 4s for the time being, at least 
officially. So this is reassuring news that it does in fact work.
On 18 Sep 2014, at 18:23, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:

 I answered my own question... Yes, the KNFB reader will work with a iPhone 
 4S.
 I downloaded the app. It is obviously slower... It takes about 5 seconds 
 to process the image, but so far, it is working well.
 Chuck

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knfb field of view, all those pictures?

2014-09-19 Thread Anouk Radix
Hi,
I dont have the app yet but heard the applevis podcast. Just curious if anyone 
knows what happens to all those pictures that the field of view report makes? 
Are they automatically deleted when you have taken the picture?
Thanks,
Greetings, Anouk,

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OT: how to get that link into the podcast app in iOs8? - KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-19 Thread RobH.
How would I get that link, or any of these podcast links, into the new 
podcast app I found with ios8?

Thanks, RobH.
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From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


Yes, the podcast is really helpful. I don't yet have the app, but I feel 
like I could explain most of it to someone else, having only heard that 
podcast. Here's the link:
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-knfbreader-iphone
On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:29 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 Hello Anthony, no. NO demo is available. AppleVis have done a podcast 
 which, while I've not heard it, is probably helpful.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org

 On 19/09/2014, at 5:23 am, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Jon;

 Do they let you try it before you buy it?

 Thanks
 Anthony


 Sent from my ATT iPhone 5s!

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 Hi Brian, I don't own any scanning stand. In my view, if one needs to 
 resort to another gadget to get a good picture, I may as well go to the 
 office and use my scanner. What I'm after is great results with the 
 device I carry with me in my pocket, with no additional stuff. And KNFB 
 delivers better than anything else I've used.
 In the past, Prizmo was my favourite app for OCR on the iPhone, but KNFB 
 is giving me far superior results on the first try and it's really fast.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org

 On 18/09/2014, at 11:18 pm, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Jonathan,
 So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?

 Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just 
 holding the phone over the page or item?

 Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!

 Brian M


 From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my 
 iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
 I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it 
 came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It 
 read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in 
 the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is 
 incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to 
 for even more information about camera positioning and angle.
 And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
 It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. 
 Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this 
 simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding 
 stuff.
 Jonathan Mosen
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Re: my iPhone 4ws

2014-09-19 Thread ram kalia
the knfb reader will  not work on I phone 4s.

On 9/19/14, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Rose,

 Just keep in mind that while the KNFB Reader app works fantastically well
 it
 will not do barcodes. I find that for recognizing food items and packages
 that Camfind often does a very good job and there is no need for Camfind to
 actually see the barcode.

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Rose Combs
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:06 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: my iPhone 4ws

 Well, I have a 4S and I plan to upgrade eventually, probably after all the
 hoopla goes away, I want to try out the NFB reader for one, finding myself
 alone at home means I need to read a lot more than I did in the past, my
 luck has not been the best at using the current scanning devices on the
 phone but many times I am not next to my flatbed scanner and computer, I
 have a barcode scanner on the computer but it is not near or in the kitchen
 which is where I find I need it most, if I can gather this type of
 information from my phone reliably I am going to do it.  If I were actually
 able much as I hate to say it, I'd be at the Verizon store tomorrow morning
 but, that is not possible.  My 4S has been my friend for almost three years
 but there comes a time.



 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Barry Hadder
 Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 11:57 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: my iphone 4ws

 In my opinion, the 4S was the best iPhone design.

 I currently use a 4 so I'm going to have to upgrade to something at this
 point.  But, if I had a 4S, I wouldn't even be thinking about it.

 On Sep 15, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Christopher Hallsworth
 challswor...@icloud.com wrote:

 I have the 4s and others will too. It's a great phone and still is. Just
 showing its age grin.

 Christopher Hallsworth
 Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
 www.hadley.edu

 On 11/09/2014 21:30, Stephen G. Hughes wrote:
  Is there any 4s users still out there? Understand the hoopla of the
 new 6 release; just wondered if there any 4s'ers still out there?

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of BBS
 Sent: September-11-14 1:25 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: IOS8!!!

 Hi Krister. Basically what continuity is is you can start something like
 writing an email on one device and continue what you were doing on
 another.
 For example, If I started writing this email on my iPhone and I'm near my
 Mac, if my Mac's running OS X Yosemite, I can continue this very same
 email
 on there. However, iOS 8 and Yosemite are still in beta so those features
 aren't available to us yet. I'm with you though. I can't wait until we
 can
 use continuity because it also lets Mac users use the Mac as a blutooth
 speaker for our iPhones so we can make and answer calls.

 Shawn
 Sent From My White Macbook
 - Original Message -
 From: Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:03 AM
 Subject: Re: IOS8!!!


 And i can't wait to use the Continuity feature even though i don't
 understand how it's supposed to be done or used. Does anyone know
 anything
 about that?
 /Krister

 11 sep 2014 kl. 02:56 skrev Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com:

 You get on your knees and pray/bag the apple computer gods that the
 iPhone
 doesn't get the iOS 8 update.

 I am looking forward to iOS 8.  I can't wait to use the hand off
 features
 and apple pay.

 Best,


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:43 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: IOS8!!!

 No, anybody is responding my question. If I don't want to update my
 iPhone
 5s, to IOs8. Because I don't want, I don't want to hurt feelings here,
 it
 is
 because I don't want, it is not because bugs, ok?
 Now, if I don't want to do it. In case that I want, or I need to do a
 restore, of my iPhone. When I press restore, the iTunes automatically,,
 start downloading the last update available.
 But I don't want to install it, what can I do to keep the IOs 7  in my
 computer, and do not download any update to my computer when I need to
 do a
 restore?
 Thanks


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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-19 Thread RobH.
Hummmnmnm,   the logic of it threw me too,  so are we to understand the 
app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know some 
of the smarter pc based reader apps did this.

Kertsweil springs to mind.

Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they recommend a 
viewing distence for this?

Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution.

Rh.
- Original Message - 
From: Kayaker sea...@me.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


Hi,

I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that 
taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves 
results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the 
order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless 
background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape

I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. 
Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels.


--k
Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
questions.



On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better 
 results.
 I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille 
 Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand 
 photography.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org

 On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com 
 wrote:

 I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the 
 document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been 
 thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold 
 the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather 
 as if i had it in landscape mode?
 /Krister

 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org:

 Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're 
 doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the 
 phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a 
 page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or 
 visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. 
 Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating 
 you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback 
 before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report, 
 particularly in the early stages.
 Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org

 On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com 
 wrote:

 What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of 
 gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for 
 this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's 
 detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's 
 stupid.:-)
 /Krister

 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com:

 I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really 
 is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small 
 bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige 
 background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry



 On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Eileen;

 I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.

 If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.


 Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s!

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi 
 eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Jonathan,

 Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, 
 I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which 
 iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For 
 those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an 
 iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of 
 the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed 
 the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with 
 the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. 
 ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was 
 with the StandScan or with some other type of stand.

 Thanks so much for your first impressions.

 Best,
 Eileen

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G 
 theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote:

 It is now available on the app store to download.


   Regards, Feliciano



 Like my Facebook page: 
 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327
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 Sent from the Super-iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, 

Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-19 Thread RobH.
Hummmnmnmnm,careful!...   you'll be convincing a sceptic soon at 
this rate.

Rh.
- Original Message - 
From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:56 AM
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


I purchased KNFB Reader this morning and tried it with a few printed
documents including a plain letter asking for a donation, an invoice and
something else. I used the phone in portrait mode and also had the letter
size document in portrait mode. KNFB Reader did an outstanding job on the
letter and I had very good results from the invoice and the other document.
The app is outstanding and I have already deleted Prizmo and Text Grabber
from my phone since I don't see myself using them any more now that I have
KNFB Reader.



The tilt feedback via vibrations is very useful and the field of view report
is amazing. The fact that it tells you whether you are holding the phone
even the slightest little bit turned with respect to the page qlong with
which edges are visible is awesome.

As Jonathan already pointed out the recognition is lightning fast and what I
really like is how simple the app is. They have definitely outdone
themselves with that app.

I have yet to put it through its paces in other situations, but I am already
very happy about my $100 investment as I know that it will be of much use in
the years to come.





Regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions



I contacted support at KNFB Reader and was advised to use portrait mode if
possible, both for the document layout and with the phone.

On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Kayaker sea...@me.com mailto:sea...@me.com 
wrote:





Hi,



I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that
taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves
results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the
order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless
background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape



I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue.
Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels.





-k

Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the
questions.







On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org  wrote:





There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results.

I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press.
it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/



On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com  wrote:



I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the
document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking
there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone
with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had
it in landscape mode?

/Krister



18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org :



Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing,
but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone
lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of
text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then
hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration
feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle
right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the
picture, you might use the field of view report, particularly in the early
stages.

Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/



On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com  wrote:



What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish
and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does the
reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i
know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-)

/Krister



18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com
mailto:ubupanora...@icloud.com :



I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is
pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix bag
where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background. The
results were very quick and about 

Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-19 Thread RobH.
Ok, For those who haven't got it yet, how do you take the picture?

I've started snapping when out and about and using the iPhone like a 
conventional camera, landscape, and clicking the volume button.

Rh.
- Original Message - 
From: Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


Okay, I've tried out the app and here are my impressions.  First, I am 
running on an iPhone 5S using the latest version of IOS7.  In addition to 
using the field report option, there is an option next to the take picture 
button called Tilt Guidance.  I found that I wasn't holding the phone in a 
level position.  With tilt guidance on, the phone will vibrate until you are 
holding the phone in a level state.  This is very useful, particularly for 
one who has no vision.  ONce the phone was level, I go excellent results. 
From the time the picture was snapped, it took about 2 seconds for text to 
be read aloud.  While practice and persistence is crucial, this app is a 
winner, as far as I'm concerned.

Les
On Sep 18, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote:

 I took a picture of my computer screen, with a Wikipedia article on it, 
 with the cayenne FB reader. It works quite well, about 95% accuracy.

 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
 hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote:

 let us know if you can scan minues on lcd desplays etc

 On 9/18/2014 5:23 AM, Anthony Vece wrote:
 Eileen;

 I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.

 If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.


 Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s!

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Hello Jonathan,

 Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, 
 I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 
 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who 
 invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 
 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in 
 comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. 
 Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in 
 particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my 
 mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with 
 some other type of stand.

 Thanks so much for your first impressions.

 Best,
 Eileen

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com 
 wrote:

 It is now available on the app store to download.


   Regards, Feliciano



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 Sent from the Super-iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Jonathan,
 So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?

 Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just 
 holding the phone over the page or item?

 Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!

 Brian M


 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my 
 iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
 I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it 
 came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It 
 read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in 
 the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture 
 is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you 
 need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle.
 And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting 
 speech.
 It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. 
 Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing 
 this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. 
 Outstanding stuff.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org

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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-19 Thread Krister Ekstrom
I agree, and i’m surpriced actually that reading displays and the like has 
gotten so little attention, i mean now that we actually have a device capable 
of doing just that, i’m surpriced that there’s only a couple apps that can read 
lcd displays and the like. As it stands now, Talking Goggles is your best bet 
there. Where can you leave feedback and suggestions to Knfb?
/Krister

 18 sep 2014 kl. 21:46 skrev Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
 hank.smith...@gmail.com:
 
 darn now if we could only get it to do that in real time we would have a kick 
 ass way to read minues and the like off of lcds
 I am surprised they didn't considder this when developing the app.
 
 
 On 9/18/2014 12:34 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
 I don’t think it updates, after all this is still pictures, you have to 
 retake a picture for every cursor movement you make, not very practical but 
 imagine a video mode with this kind of precition, now that would be 
 something.
 /Krister
 
 18 sep 2014 kl. 20:54 skrev Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
 hank.smith...@gmail.com mailto:hank.smith...@gmail.com:
 
 if one was to say move the cursor on the screen would it update or does it 
 just read the intire screen Hank
 
 On 9/18/2014 11:35 AM, Chuck Dean wrote:
 I took a picture of my computer screen, with a Wikipedia article on it, 
 with the cayenne FB reader. It works quite well, about 95% accuracy.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
 hank.smith...@gmail.com mailto:hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 let us know if you can scan minues on lcd desplays etc
 
 On 9/18/2014 5:23 AM, Anthony Vece wrote:
 Eileen;
 
 I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.
 
 If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.
 
 
 Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s!
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com 
 mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Jonathan,
 
 Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, 
 I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 
 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who 
 invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 
 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in 
 comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. 
 Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in 
 particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my 
 mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with 
 some other type of stand. 
 
 Thanks so much for your first impressions.
 
 Best,
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com 
 mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 It is now available on the app store to download.
 
 
   Regards, Feliciano
 
 
 
 Like my Facebook page: 
 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 
 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327
 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v 
 http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
 
 
 Sent from the Super-iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com 
 mailto:brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Jonathan,
 So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?  
  
 Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just 
 holding the phone over the page or item?  
  
 Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
  
 Brian M
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
  
 I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my 
 iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
 I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it 
 came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It 
 read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in 
 the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture 
 is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you 
 need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle.
 And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting 
 speech.
 It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. 
 Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing 
 this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. 
 Outstanding stuff.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/
  
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-19 Thread RobH.
Does it keep or discard the pictures?  this could soon gobble up storage.

Rh.
- Original Message - 
From: Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


Whenever you change the screen, you would have to take a Nother picture of 
it to read it. It does not read in real time.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
 hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote:

 if one was to say move the cursor on the screen would it update or does it 
 just read the intire screen Hank

 On 9/18/2014 11:35 AM, Chuck Dean wrote:
 I took a picture of my computer screen, with a Wikipedia article on it, 
 with the cayenne FB reader. It works quite well, about 95% accuracy.

 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
 hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote:

 let us know if you can scan minues on lcd desplays etc

 On 9/18/2014 5:23 AM, Anthony Vece wrote:
 Eileen;

 I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.

 If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.


 Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s!

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Hello Jonathan,

 Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, 
 I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which 
 iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For 
 those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an 
 iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of 
 the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the 
 app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 
 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER 
 person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the 
 StandScan or with some other type of stand.

 Thanks so much for your first impressions.

 Best,
 Eileen

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com 
 wrote:

 It is now available on the app store to download.


   Regards, Feliciano



 Like my Facebook page: 
 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327
 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v


 Sent from the Super-iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Jonathan,
 So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?

 Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just 
 holding the phone over the page or item?

 Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!

 Brian M


 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my 
 iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
 I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when 
 it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. 
 It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I 
 received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up 
 the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view 
 report if you need to for even more information about camera 
 positioning and angle.
 And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting 
 speech.
 It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. 
 Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing 
 this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. 
 Outstanding stuff.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org

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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-19 Thread Chuck Dean
It deletes the photos and documents once you leave the screen, unless you 
decide to save them.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Sep 19, 2014, at 2:58 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 Does it keep or discard the pictures?  this could soon gobble up storage.
 
 Rh.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:58 PM
 Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
 
 
 Whenever you change the screen, you would have to take a Nother picture of 
 it to read it. It does not read in real time.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
 hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 if one was to say move the cursor on the screen would it update or does it 
 just read the intire screen Hank
 
 On 9/18/2014 11:35 AM, Chuck Dean wrote:
 I took a picture of my computer screen, with a Wikipedia article on it, 
 with the cayenne FB reader. It works quite well, about 95% accuracy.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
 hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 let us know if you can scan minues on lcd desplays etc
 
 On 9/18/2014 5:23 AM, Anthony Vece wrote:
 Eileen;
 
 I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.
 
 If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.
 
 
 Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s!
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Hello Jonathan,
 
 Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, 
 I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which 
 iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For 
 those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an 
 iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of 
 the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the 
 app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 
 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER 
 person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the 
 StandScan or with some other type of stand.
 
 Thanks so much for your first impressions.
 
 Best,
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 It is now available on the app store to download.
 
 
  Regards, Feliciano
 
 
 
 Like my Facebook page: 
 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327
 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
 
 
 Sent from the Super-iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Jonathan,
 So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?
 
 Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just 
 holding the phone over the page or item?
 
 Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
 
 Brian M
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
 
 I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my 
 iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
 I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when 
 it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. 
 It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I 
 received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up 
 the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view 
 report if you need to for even more information about camera 
 positioning and angle.
 And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting 
 speech.
 It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. 
 Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing 
 this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. 
 Outstanding stuff.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
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Re: upgrading from ios7.12 to ios 8 on iPhone 5

2014-09-19 Thread Cathy
I have an i-phone 5 and I am not having that many problems yet.  What I am 
having, well, I can deal with them.
Cathy  Pilot Dog, Tiny:

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Re: Phone calls from your Mac

2014-09-19 Thread Krister Ekstrom
On my Mac, an IMac from 2011, niether the new airdrop nor the handoff feature 
work.
/Krister

 19 sep 2014 kl. 04:34 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org:
 
 Hi Bill, as long as both devices are signed into the same Wi-Fi network and 
 Apple ID, I think it's all on by default. You can check under System 
 Preferences, General on your Mac that Handoff is enabled, and there is a 
 Handoff settings in iOS as well.
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 On 19/09/2014, at 1:19 pm, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com 
 mailto:bill32...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Where do I go to get started setting up?
 Thanks.
 Bill
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org 
 mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi Bill, It's working fine for me with iOS 8 and the Yosemite beta. The Mac 
 makes an incredibly good speaker phone actually.
 Jonathan Mosen
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 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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 On 19/09/2014, at 8:48 am, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com 
 mailto:bill32...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Does nyone know if the ability to make and receive calls from your Mac 
 will be working with iOS 8 and the Yosemite beta?   Do I need either to 
 wait for my iPhone 6 or for the full Yosemite or both?  Thanks.
  
  
 
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Sound volume?

2014-09-19 Thread RobH.
I'm using all the ordinary or default sounds for things.  The 4S that has 
just gone up to iOs 8 has a very loud new mail alert.
The older 4S with 7.1.2 on has a good, if slightly quieter new mail sound.
The iPad Mini with 7.1.2 is so quiet, I can hardly hear, and not at all if 
VO is muttering at the time.

So, can I adjust that,  the volume buttons aren't the answer here.

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Re: for those using the iphone 4s

2014-09-19 Thread christopher hallsworth
VoiceOver does restart itself randomly. Annoying but can live with it. Can't 
say the same about Braille Screen Input being slow for you.
On 19 Sep 2014, at 04:57, Stephanie natureloving...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'd noticed a terrible bug I think.
 Voiceover seems to cut on and off while I'm doing things. For example, I was 
 downloading updates to apps, and suddenly I was told voiceover on. Same when 
 I was browsing audioboo.
 Also, braille input is so slow it is driving me crazy!
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Re: Sound volume?

2014-09-19 Thread Teresa Cochran
If you go into settings, sounds, you can set alerts to their own volume and 
then set it to ignore the volume buttons. I don't remember if the new mail 
sound is part of these, but I know the alarm and ringtones are.
HtH,
teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

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 I'm using all the ordinary or default sounds for things.  The 4S that has 
 just gone up to iOs 8 has a very loud new mail alert.
 The older 4S with 7.1.2 on has a good, if slightly quieter new mail sound.
 The iPad Mini with 7.1.2 is so quiet, I can hardly hear, and not at all if 
 VO is muttering at the time.
 
 So, can I adjust that,  the volume buttons aren't the answer here.
 
 Thanks, RobH. 
 
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Re: Getting results with KNFB reader

2014-09-19 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Ok i have listened to the podcast and should know this, but i can't figure out 
where the flash settings are.
/Krister

 18 sep 2014 kl. 23:45 skrev Michael Feir michael.f...@gmail.com:
 
 Hello Olivia. So far, I've found the automatic flash setting works
 best. It all depends on the light conditions where you are. Also, make
 certain the document is flat on the table. Use the field of view
 report to rotate the phone such that it's as close to 0 degrees as
 possible. I've found that the larger the document you're trying to
 scan, the higher off the table you have to hold the phone so that it
 all fits in the camera's view. Tuilt is also very important. You may
 find the tuilt guidance setting helpful. This causes your phone to
 vibrate less often the flatter you hold it over the page. If you feel
 no vibration and the field view report says all four edges are
 visible, you should get a good result. Without being there and feeling
 what you're doing, I'm not sure what else to suggest. I've had
 splendid results so far. Best of luck to you.
 
 On 9/18/14, Olivia Norman olivianor...@gmail.com wrote:
 How is everyone getting great results and what am I doing wrong?
 Is it because I don't have a 5s? Or because I have no vision and no idea how
 to use a camera?
 Just trying to figure out what i need to do here!
 Frustrated everyone else is doing great but me!
 Would love any help!
 Thanks!
 Olivia
 
 
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 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:38 PM, viphone@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 
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 KNFB Reader, First Impressions - 8 Updates
 Is iCloud Drive only accessible by web browser on Windows? - 2 Updates
 Using iTunes to update will take far less space - 1 Update
 Family Sharing Purchased Apps - 1 Update
 knfb reader on Iphone 4s? - 3 Updates
 IOS 8 and MBraille - 2 Updates
 Ios8 manual - 2 Updates
 UpGrade: Early upGrade Programs  NEW iPhones - 2 Updates
 Keyboard shortcuts - 1 Update
 Moving apps from the row above the dock (was Re: have anyone noticed this
 serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S?) - 1 Update
 iOS 8 and Feeddler RSS Reader - 2 Updates
 KNFB Reader, First Impressions
 Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com: Sep 18 09:29PM +0200
 
 I had trouble with one type of food box, a carton one, but another with a
 plastic film on it worked quite well and i even got cooking tips i haven't
 seen before.:-) Right now though, i don't think reading displays and the
 like wil be an option since you can't do it in realtime, you first have to
 change a value or something, then take a picture, go back change the value
 on teh display again and so on. Slow going. Having said that though, i
 think i'll go and experiment with my microwave just because i can,
 although the tilting guide will probably drive me nuts.:-)
 /Krister
 
 Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com: Sep 18 09:34PM +0200
 
 I don't think it updates, after all this is still pictures, you have to
 retake a picture for every cursor movement you make, not very practical
 but imagine a video mode with this kind of precition, now that would be
 something.
 /Krister
 
 Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com: Sep 18
 12:46PM -0700
 
 darn now if we could only get it to do that in real time we would have a
 kick ass way to read minues and the like off of lcds
 I am surprised they didn't considder this when developing the app.
 
 
 On 9/18/2014 12:34 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
 Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca: Sep 18 03:56PM -0400
 
 Jonathan,
 
 
 
 What is the app called in the app store? I searched for KNFB and didn't
 find
 anything. Perhaps its not in the Canadian app store yet. I, for sure am
 getting it when I can find it
 
 
 
 Ron  Danvers
 
 
 
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Jonathan Mosen
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
 
 
 
 I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone
 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
 
 I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it
 came
 to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the
 page
 of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The
 feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly
 helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even
 more
 information about camera positioning and angle.
 
 And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
 
 It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly
 it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple,
 fast,
 or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
 
 Jonathan Mosen
 
 Mosen Consulting
 
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 
 http://Mosen.org
 
 
 
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KNFB Reader Help?

2014-09-19 Thread Kerri Kosten
Hey Everyone:

I excitedly purchased the KNFB reader app yesterday.
However, I seem to be having a lot of trouble with it.
I have tried to do several scans but can't seem to get good results.
I tried holding the camera sideways.
I tried holding it straight up and down.
I tried holding it with the camera lens facing down towards the page.
I have the tilted guidance setting on.
Every once in a while, it will stop vibrating and I will try to take a
picture, and sometimes it will kind of read some text but it's very
jumbled and while it gets some words it often doesn't make sense.
However, I keep reading how so many others are getting great results.
Just last week, I was able to witness a demonstration of this app, and
it worked great.
I don't have much printed material around at the moment, so have been
trying to scan a random page from a paperback book.
Does lighting make a difference?
How do you hold the phone to get the best results?
For those who got great results on their first try, what did you do
and how did you hold the phone?
I even listened to the Applevis podcast.
I was just initially so excited about this app when I heard the
demonstrations of how well it worked and it's not seeming to work very
well for me.
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks,
Kerri

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Re: KNFB Reader Help?

2014-09-19 Thread Richard Turner
One technique that might help you is to put the phone flat on the page you want 
to scan with the back facing camera in the center of the page.
Then grasp the phone with your thumbs and little fingers on the four corners of 
the phone and raise the phone up trying to keep it flat and the camera still 
centered on the page. For a 8.5 by 11 inch page, you want to raise the phone 
about 12 inches above the page.
Then, the field of view report should tell you that all four corners of the 
page are in view.
Then take the picture.
With practice, you will be able to estimate the distance above the page and 
getting the camera centered over the page.
This is how I got good scans with Prizmo before getting the standscan pro and 
then the Giraffe Reader.
I still have not purchased KNFB Reader, but with all the rave reviews, I may 
decide it is worth it.
HTH,
Richard


Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education. - Victor Hugo

 

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 On Sep 19, 2014, at 4:09 AM, Kerri Kosten kerrik2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey Everyone:
 
 I excitedly purchased the KNFB reader app yesterday.
 However, I seem to be having a lot of trouble with it.
 I have tried to do several scans but can't seem to get good results.
 I tried holding the camera sideways.
 I tried holding it straight up and down.
 I tried holding it with the camera lens facing down towards the page.
 I have the tilted guidance setting on.
 Every once in a while, it will stop vibrating and I will try to take a
 picture, and sometimes it will kind of read some text but it's very
 jumbled and while it gets some words it often doesn't make sense.
 However, I keep reading how so many others are getting great results.
 Just last week, I was able to witness a demonstration of this app, and
 it worked great.
 I don't have much printed material around at the moment, so have been
 trying to scan a random page from a paperback book.
 Does lighting make a difference?
 How do you hold the phone to get the best results?
 For those who got great results on their first try, what did you do
 and how did you hold the phone?
 I even listened to the Applevis podcast.
 I was just initially so excited about this app when I heard the
 demonstrations of how well it worked and it's not seeming to work very
 well for me.
 What am I doing wrong?
 Thanks,
 Kerri
 
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Re: Apple Engineers in 'War Room' Tracking Down iOS 8 Issues on Social Media - Mac Rumors

2014-09-19 Thread Robin Frost
Hi,
Is that twitter feed an official one belonging to apple? I ask because it has 
no tweets no bio, nothing to indicate that it has any official affiliation with 
Apple itself.
Robin


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple Engineers in 'War Room' Tracking Down iOS 8 Issues on Social 
Media - Mac Rumors

The account is @AppleAX 

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On Sep 19, 2014, at 2:06 AM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
wrote:


  What's their Twitter ID?

  On 19 Sep 2014, at 05:05, Michael Reiser mike.rei...@icloud.com wrote:


Apple Accessibility does have a Twitter account,@appleax. What encourage 
people to give feedback there, and also go to apple.com/feedback. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2014, at 9:03 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com 
wrote:


  What  I found even nore interesting is a link on that page to an article 
on some of the more obscure changes to ios.

  John Diakogeorgiou

  On Sep 18, 2014, at 9:15 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:


I thought many here would find this interesting.

  
http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/18/apple-engineers-fixing-ios-8/?utm_source=osxutm_medium=pushutm_campaign=ios


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Re: iOS and a smiling Face

2014-09-19 Thread Alex Hall
Really? That's cool, and as far as I know, new to iOS8.
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 Hello,
 
 Is this new to iOS 8 or something I just never noticed before? I needed a 
 picture of myself so took one. What was new to me was that when viewing the 
 photo VO now read Face 1: smiling when I touched the picture.
 
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Re: Can't access some of the new Message app features

2014-09-19 Thread Alex Hall
Someone on Twitter also pointed out that you can double tap and hold, then 
slide your finger right for video, or up for a photo. For video, I believe it 
records automatically, then stops when you lift your finger.
On Sep 19, 2014, at 2:36 AM, Earle rowdyameri...@shaned.net wrote:

 Yes, that is exactly how it works.  The only problem I have found is, you 
 can't tell which camera is currently chosen.  I've also noticed that 
 VoiceOver doesn't always give feedback on whether or not the face is centred.
 
 Earle
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Thanks for making me look into this! It turns out the attach media button 
 is the key: double tap to choose and sent images, as before; double tap *and 
 hold* to open a popover with picture and video options, plus a button to 
 decide which camera gets used.
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:34 PM, David Cleveland davidtclevel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Thanks. I was able to find the location sharing under the details button. I 
 didn't think to look there. In this podcast I was listening to and they 
 talked about the ability to take a selfie from within the messages and send 
 it quickly.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I haven't tried videos, but sending photos is using the attach media 
 button, and location sharing is in the details of a thread (top right 
 corner).
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:11 PM, David Cleveland davidtclevel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Some of the new messaging features in IOS 8 don't seem to be accessible 
 with Voiceover.
 -- Location sharing
 -- Send video
 -- Send photo
  
 The only new feture I get when sending an iMessage is Record Audio.  Am 
 I missing something?
  
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Re: IOS 8 and MBraille

2014-09-19 Thread Alex Hall
It's not a 4S thing, and it's not an Mbraille thing either, I believe it's an 
Apple thing. One more bug we'll have to hope gets sorted soon.
On Sep 19, 2014, at 4:12 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 The one caveat we all keep missing, is the .sms, or the sms screen it takes 
 you to, seems to have a glitch with a dead Send button.  Several have 
 commented on it.  I found it too,  might be a 4s user thing, but don't think 
 so.
 
 
 Otherwise, yes, good for the little I've tried it.
 
 Rh.
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 From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com
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 Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:04 AM
 Subject: Re: IOS 8 and MBraille
 
 
 It is working fine.
 Since I am familiar with its commands, I am using it rather than the new 
 braille input from Apple.
 Richard
 
 
 Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education. - Victor Hugo
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan pau...@roadrunner.com 
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 Is anyone on the list using MBraille with IOS 8?  If so, how is it 
 working?  I use it all the time and am unwilling to give it up.  Thanks in 
 advance.
 God bless!
 Paula and Babe
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Re: For People wanting to downgrade back to 7.1.2

2014-09-19 Thread Scott Berry
That's the same in the Mac as well it will be announced as Apple software 
update file

Scott BerrySent from my iPhone

 On Sep 19, 2014, at 00:43, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 You can get the IPSW file at www.IPSWDownloader.com
 Please make sure you know exactly which phone model you have so you can
 download the appropriate file. It is not enough to know that you have an
 iPhone 5C or 5S since there are different models of these for different
 markets/carriers. The model can be found on the back of the phone, it will
 be a letter and 4 numbers, e.g. A1533.
 
 Once the file is downloaded you must first unzip/extract it to get to the
 IPSW file you need. In Windows the file type will be announced as Apple
 Software Update File.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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For Kerry!

2014-09-19 Thread Olivia Norman
So glad I'm not the only person experiencing issues with knfb reader!
I'm having the exact same experience nice you are after being so excited!
What are we missing?

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Where is the Spanish dictionary in iOS eight

2014-09-19 Thread Lea Langley


Sent from my iPhonehi all, and thank you for the help. Where can I find the 
Spanish dictionary that comes with iOS eight? I did not see it when I updated. 
Thank you very much for your help. God bless, Wren Langley

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Re: For Kerry!

2014-09-19 Thread Les Kriegler
You both may want to send an email to supp...@knfbreader.com. You can ask for 
the manual if you like. I did this yesterday and they sent a copy of it to me. 
I also received in the email the phone number and I called support for 
assistance. It was very helpful to talk with somebody at the company. That got 
me going. I would give you the number, but I'm traveling and I don't have 
access to it right now. Good luck.

Sent from my iPhone

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 So glad I'm not the only person experiencing issues with knfb reader!
 I'm having the exact same experience nice you are after being so excited!
 What are we missing?
 
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What is audio ducking in iOS eight

2014-09-19 Thread Lea Langley
Hi all, and thank you once again for the help. I hope this will be my last 
message concerning iOS 8. I found audio docking in the road rotary and I don't 
know what it is at least I put it on my rotor so I could find out about it and 
use it if necessary. Thank you all very very much. God bless, Wren Langley

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Re: What is audio ducking in iOS eight

2014-09-19 Thread Alex Hall
You know how the volume of audio, like a book or music, will get low whenever 
VoiceOver is speaking? That's ducking, where audio ducks under speech. That 
rotor option lets you disable it if you want to.
On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Lea Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Hi all, and thank you once again for the help. I hope this will be my last 
 message concerning iOS 8. I found audio docking in the road rotary and I 
 don't know what it is at least I put it on my rotor so I could find out about 
 it and use it if necessary. Thank you all very very much. God bless, Wren 
 Langley
 
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RE: What is audio ducking in iOS eight

2014-09-19 Thread Richard Turner
That is where the volume of music or an audio book, etc., dims when
VoiceOver speaks so you can hear VoiceOver more clearly.
Apparently, now you can turn that off if you want.
I haven't played with it yet.
Richard


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Subject: What is audio ducking in iOS eight

Hi all, and thank you once again for the help. I hope this will be my last
message concerning iOS 8. I found audio docking in the road rotary and I
don't know what it is at least I put it on my rotor so I could find out
about it and use it if necessary. Thank you all very very much. God bless,
Wren Langley

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Re: iOS and a smiling Face

2014-09-19 Thread Kelly Ford
Yes, this really does seem to be happening. I'm not sure what other types of 
faces are communicated? a bit more experimentation today I heard at least one 
other type where it said face one blinking



 On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:26 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Really? That's cool, and as far as I know, new to iOS8.
 On Sep 19, 2014, at 2:08 AM, Kelly Ford ke...@kellford.com wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
 Is this new to iOS 8 or something I just never noticed before? I needed a 
 picture of myself so took one. What was new to me was that when viewing the 
 photo VO now read Face 1: smiling when I touched the picture.
 
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turning off automatic updates?

2014-09-19 Thread Maria and Joe Chapman
Hi.

wondering how to totally turn off automatic updates.  I have turned it off in 
settings, but if I'm plugged in and on wifi My apps will still update 
automatically. I am running the latest version of iOS 7. and using a 5s.
regards
Maria and crew from australia
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Re: Is iCloud Drive only accessible by web browser on Windows?

2014-09-19 Thread matthew Dyer
Hi all. I will be upgrading to icloud drive when 10.10 is released.



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 On Sep 18, 2014, at 3:23 PM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 As I understand it you have to create a document in an app where iCloud Drive 
 is supported. Save that document to iCloud Drive so you can carry on with it 
 on another device. Since this is not fully supported yet until OS X Yosemite 
 is released next month it is probably not worth trying it yet.
 On 18 Sep 2014, at 16:22, 'Ming' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com 
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 When I upgraded I cloud Drive in iOS eight.
 How can I access my document and things like that
 
 Should I download some apps from the App Store?
 Thanks. 
 Ming
 Skype: chungchiming9950
 
 
 christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 於 2014年9月18日 下午11:05 寫道:
 
 A Windows client will be forthcoming.
 On 18 Sep 2014, at 02:19, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Is iCloud Drive only accessible by web browser on a Windows PC? I hope 
 not, because the icloud.com web site doesn't appear very friendly with 
 JAWS or NVDA.  I was hoping there was a way to access it with Windows 
 Explorer so I could just hit Control+c and Control+v to paste files into 
 it.
 
 
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Ios 8 voiceover problem with Safari

2014-09-19 Thread Russ Kiehne
This problem started after upgrading to ios 8 on my 5th generation ipod touch.
I have a shortcut on my home screen for the Amazon Kindle mobile store
http://www.amazon.com/kindlemobilestore
This 3 minute mp3 is the best way for me to show you the problem I ran into
https://www.sendspace.com/file/sw5dta

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RE: touch typing with ios8

2014-09-19 Thread Tom Rash
What is direct touch typing?  Is it usable with voice over? 

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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:40 PM
To: Vi Phone
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

i swear by touch typing.  The simplest way to describe it is find the letter
you want and let up on the letter and it adds it.  I also have a keyboard
that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it
and I don't like it.


On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:


The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when
you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard
typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so
that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button
is for.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook


On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cheryl Homiak
cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described
in iOS8 without the eye and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap
the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good
finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with
dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then
releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch
typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch
typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not
describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it
enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish
this I think.

 

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His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Charles Rivard
wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:


Touch typing is the same as it was.  Find the letter
and lift your finger to activate.  The new method is to find the letter and
touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.

---
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you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!

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From: Ray T. Mahorney
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:14 PM
Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8

how does direct typing differ from touch
typing?
 
 
Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA
 
From:
viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenny
Wood
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:37
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
 
Hi Jonathan,
 
My husband and I were discussing this topic
at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since
forgotten.  Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their
keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone.  Whether they realize it or
not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the
screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of
the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs.  I have a sighted friend and
neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability
to type quickly on the iPhone.  She most definitely isn't watching what she
is typing, and the clicking sound that accompanies each keystroke simply
can't keep up with her movement. LOL  Having had usable vision once myself,
I know exactly what he is talking about, because I have been touch typing
now since I was in the third grade or so.  I have longed for a way to 

Re: Using iTunes to update will take far less space

2014-09-19 Thread Mike Arrigo
Hopefully this space will be recovered after the installation, so in 
the end it should end up the same, the issue may be that some users may 
not have enough space on the device for the actual download.

Original message:


Someone on this list has already reported this, but I just wanted to second it.


I was just reading an article about the number of people who are using 
social media to complain to apple about how much space it used on the 
device to download and update iOS 8. The article reminded people that 
using iTunes would take far less room on the device. I don’t have the 
numbers handy, but it is a significant difference.



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Re: Ios 8 voiceover problem with Safari

2014-09-19 Thread Alex Hall
That's not specific to Kindle; I just tried it on a random website and the same 
thing happened. Thanks for pointing it out!
On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Russ Kiehne russ94...@gmail.com wrote:

 This problem started after upgrading to ios 8 on my 5th generation ipod touch.
 I have a shortcut on my home screen for the Amazon Kindle mobile store
 http://www.amazon.com/kindlemobilestore
 This 3 minute mp3 is the best way for me to show you the problem I ran into
 https://www.sendspace.com/file/sw5dta
 
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RE: BUG DETECTED

2014-09-19 Thread Tom Rash
Tried that.  Still cannot delete on the confirmation button.  Double tapped
and repeated that.  Also did a tripple tap.  Any other suggestions?
Thanks.. 

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Yes, double tap twice or triple tap once will do the trick.

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BUG DETECTED

 

Hi Tom, it's just that the prompt is erroneous. You have to double-tap the
confirm clear notification button twice.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 19/09/2014, at 10:01 am, Tom Rash dadinthed...@verizon.net
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jUST UPGRADED TO ios 8 ON AN IpHONE 5s.  oNE BUG IS THAT DOUBLE
TAPPING TO CONFIRM CLEARING SOMETHING IN NOTIFICATIONS does not clear the
notification on the home screen.  Any work arounds for that, and is this a
known bug

 



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Re: The Mail app seems to close when I am reading messages using I OS 8 on an iPhone 5 S

2014-09-19 Thread matthew Dyer
Hi,

Not having this problem here.

Matthew


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 Hi all, and thank you very much for the help. I had this problem somewhat on 
 my iPhone 5s using 712. Now that I have updated to I OS 8 though it seems to 
 be happening more often. I was just wondering if anyone has the same problem. 
 God bless, Wren Langley
 
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How do I access the new messenging features and I've noticed that the messages won't read messages when in the locked screen

2014-09-19 Thread Jen Colley
Hi,  
I am wondering how to access the new features in the messages app?  also, I’ve 
noticed that messages won’t read allowed in the locked screen anymore.  
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App store issue in IOS 8.

2014-09-19 Thread Mária Orovčíková

Hello list,
my friend, who is not on this list has the following issue.
she has updated her ipad 3 to IOS 8.
When she opens app store to download apps, before downloading she is 
required to agree to new terms of use.

However, she is not able to click on agree button using Voiceover.
I had the same issue, but I figured it out by turning Voiceover off and 
clicking on the button. She is not able to do that for some reason, it 
does not let her click on agree button.

Please does anyone know how to get it fixed?
She does not have any sighted help around.
Thank you for your help in andvance.
With kind regards
Maria

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Re: Sound volume?

2014-09-19 Thread RobH.
Ok, gotit, still low, but better.  This is a Mk1 iMini i'm fiddling with.

Ta, R.
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Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Sound volume?


If you go into settings, sounds, you can set alerts to their own volume and 
then set it to ignore the volume buttons. I don't remember if the new mail 
sound is part of these, but I know the alarm and ringtones are.
HtH,
teresa

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 On Sep 19, 2014, at 3:41 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I'm using all the ordinary or default sounds for things.  The 4S that has
 just gone up to iOs 8 has a very loud new mail alert.
 The older 4S with 7.1.2 on has a good, if slightly quieter new mail sound.
 The iPad Mini with 7.1.2 is so quiet, I can hardly hear, and not at all if
 VO is muttering at the time.

 So, can I adjust that,  the volume buttons aren't the answer here.

 Thanks, RobH.

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Re: touch typing with ios8

2014-09-19 Thread Teresa Cochran
yes, it's a Voiceover function. It allows you to tap the letter you want to use 
once you reach it. It's kind of similar to typing on a keyboard. I think it 
feels quite natural, but I'm experiencing some issues with it. It doesn't work 
for entering my passcode. In fact my iPod 5G defaults to standard typing when  
I enter the passcode, so I've switched back to touch typing.

Teresa

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the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Tom Rash dadnthed...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What is direct touch typing?  Is it usable with voice over? 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Scott Berry
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:40 PM
 To: Vi Phone
 Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
 
 i swear by touch typing.  The simplest way to describe it is find the letter
 you want and let up on the letter and it adds it.  I also have a keyboard
 that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it
 and I don't like it.
 
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 
The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when
 you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard
 typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so
 that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button
 is for.
 
Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
 
 
On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cheryl Homiak
 cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described
 in iOS8 without the eye and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap
 the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good
 finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with
 dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then
 releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch
 typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch
 typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not
 describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it
 enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish
 this I think.
 
 

-- 
Cheryl
 
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I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Charles Rivard
 wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 
 
Touch typing is the same as it was.  Find the letter
 and lift your finger to activate.  The new method is to find the letter and
 touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.
 
---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if
 you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!
 
- Original Message -
From: Ray T. Mahorney
 mailto:mahorney@googlemail.com 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:14 PM
Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8
 
how does direct typing differ from touch
 typing?
 
 
Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA
 
From:
 viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenny
 Wood
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:37
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
 
Hi Jonathan,
 
My husband and I were discussing this topic
 at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had long since
 forgotten.  Many, if not most sighted people don't even look at their
 keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone.  Whether they realize it or
 not, they are actually watching the output of what they are typing on the
 screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle memory and familiarity of
 the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs.  I have a sighted friend and
 neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed record with her ability
 to type quickly on the iPhone.  She most definitely isn't watching what she
 is typing, and the clicking sound that accompanies each keystroke simply
 can't keep up with her movement. LOL  Having had usable vision once myself,
 I know 

Re: I updated my iPhone five ass to iOS 8 with the phone this morning is there a way to redo the update on iTunes to take up less space?

2014-09-19 Thread Mike Arrigo
Unless something has changed, the downloaded file is still on your 
computer, on a mac at least, I think it's under libraries, application 
support files, itunes, or something similar. You may want to check this 
and delete the file if it's still there.

Original message:
Hi, once you have the OS installed, it takes no less space no matter 
how you did it. It's just that the phone needs some room for temporary 
storage while it's actually doing the update. That's why some people 
have ended up deleting quite a bit of space to allow the update to happen.



Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org http://Mosen.org



On 19/09/2014, at 10:53 am, Lea Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net 
mailto:wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net wrote:


Hi all and thank you for the help. I did not realize that updating with 
iTunes would take up less space than updating with the phone. So the 
subject line asks my question. God bless, Wren Langley



Sent from my iPhone



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Re: turning off automatic updates?

2014-09-19 Thread Kayaker
Hi,

In the Settings, iTunes and AppStore preferences, make sure you have unchecked 
both applications and updates.

Also note that if you share an account with someone else, and they update an 
app, if applications is checked, you'll get the newer version.

I've not heard of anyone who has had issues with this setting not working 
properly. Granted, you could be the first..

Best,
--k
Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
questions.




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wrote:

 Hi.
 
 wondering how to totally turn off automatic updates.  I have turned it off in 
 settings, but if I'm plugged in and on wifi My apps will still update 
 automatically. I am running the latest version of iOS 7. and using a 5s.
   regards
 Maria and crew from australia
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
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RE: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-19 Thread Rose Combs
Yes, ovens are a pain, mine has some Velcro pieces on it and still sometimes
I can't get the temperature to set right.  Annoying since now no one here to
take a look if I am uncertain.  

My late husband was giving me grief about it once and I told him to turn off
his eyes and do it all perfectly, guess what, I missed also when he closed
his eyes.  
I don't really want a new range but I could control it with my phone it
might be worth it.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of alia robinson
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

Yep, that's life, and it's not fair, but it's okay. We just have to deal
with it. It took me three months to find an oven I could use. all of them
are flat pannels for the controls now; it's just the way things are. we have
to deal. 

Alia
 On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:34 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 At work, we have a water filtration system which has multiple settings.
the system announces which type of water is coming out when it is started.
It does not announce the setting when being set. We have a few pieces of
tape on the face of the machine so I can find the start button.
 
 My microwave oven has no announcements whatsoever. We marked the touch
panel with dots on the buttons, but I have no way of knowing for certain
what I have pressed until it is finished. The same is true with our washing
machine and dryer.

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RE: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-19 Thread Rose Combs
Isn't that the truth, I had to learn to use a slate and stylus so I could
take notes but I was never fast, and an old cassette recorder from
RadioShack that did not have a fast forward, and of course the Sony 105 with
reels of tape.  I had to pay for readers, some were wonderful, many were
not.  If I were going to college today I would have it a lot easier whether
I used a note taker or an I device.  


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gail the U. S. Male
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

Neil, boy, do you bring back memories!  We must be close to the same age, 
because I also remember having to deal with readers, multiple reel to reel 
tape recorders, all that kind of thing.LOL! younger people have no clue how 
good they have it today, compared to what we had to go through, just to get 
a book read!  I for one am glad I've lived long enough to see what it is 
like today.  Yes, we have a long way to go still, but we're slowly getting 
there.
- Original Message - 
From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:04 PM
Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released


Hey Guys. I know what you're saying. I have labels all over my house for
things that are not accessible, but I don't make my money washing cloths or
cooking in my microwave. I know, that doesn't change the small percent of
the population we are. I understand that. I also understand that there has
been a steady decline in Apple's accessibility. I know this from talking to
a lot of Mac users who are now deciding if it is time for them to go back to
Windows. Again, I am mostly talking about people whose jobs depend on using
their computer or device. Again, that doesn't change the percentage, it was
very hard to read that list. There are those who try to brow beat companies
into being accessible. I have often thought of them as just whining and
crying, oh we poor blind people. AAnd that is what some of them do. Others,
take a more coorperative approach. So there are extremes on either side.
Some wait for apple to offer them the same magic sighted users have, while
others try to convince the company to do a better job. This is what the beta
team does. The beta team evidently had some very smart people who were blind
on it. No, we still haven't changed the percentage of people who are blind
in the world, but they put in a lot of work trying to help Apple develop a
product that would work well for us. In other words, there needs to be some
people in the blindness community that tries to work against the flow. You
may call us impatient if you wish. You may think we don't understand what it
is like to not have accessibility at our fingertips. I bet I am older than
most everyone on this list. Try having to hire 80 readers in Graduate school
who read books on my 12 reel to reel recorders. It took about as much time
to organize the readers and the books as it did to read them.

And we still haven't changed the percentage. We never will. But that doesn't
mean we don't try to make things more equal. I don't believe there is any
shame in that. So, let's not blame people who are pushing the envelope as
being whiners and impatient. Some of those people have been the ones to get
us where we are today.

Neal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of alia robinson
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

Yep, that's life, and it's not fair, but it's okay. We just have to deal
with it. It took me three months to find an oven I could use. all of them
are flat pannels for the controls now; it's just the way things are. we have
to deal.

Alia
 On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:34 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
wrote:

 At work, we have a water filtration system which has multiple settings.
the system announces which type of water is coming out when it is started.
It does not announce the setting when being set. We have a few pieces of
tape on the face of the machine so I can find the start button.

 My microwave oven has no announcements whatsoever. We marked the touch
panel with dots on the buttons, but I have no way of knowing for certain
what I have pressed until it is finished. The same is true with our washing
machine and dryer.

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Re: turning off automatic updates?

2014-09-19 Thread RobH.
Took me ages to find this,  so which ones did you set, I turned off two 
itemsi n there

settings/itunes and appstore; automatic updates:- music, apps, updates.

Rh.

BDA is still doing Ok.

- Original Message - 
From: Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 2:35 PM
Subject: turning off automatic updates?


Hi.

wondering how to totally turn off automatic updates.  I have turned it off 
in settings, but if I'm plugged in and on wifi My apps will still update 
automatically. I am running the latest version of iOS 7. and using a 5s.
regards
Maria and crew from australia
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com



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RE: Phone calls from your Mac

2014-09-19 Thread Bill Holton
Ah,  What I didn't realize, you hav to do it through Facetime.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Phone calls from your Mac

 

Hi Bill, as long as both devices are signed into the same Wi-Fi network and
Apple ID, I think it's all on by default. You can check under System
Preferences, General on your Mac that Handoff is enabled, and there is a
Handoff settings in iOS as well.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 19/09/2014, at 1:19 pm, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com
mailto:bill32...@gmail.com  wrote:

 

Where do I go to get started setting up?

Thanks.

Bill

 

 


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org  wrote:

Hi Bill, It's working fine for me with iOS 8 and the Yosemite beta. The Mac
makes an incredibly good speaker phone actually.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ 

 

On 19/09/2014, at 8:48 am, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com
mailto:bill32...@gmail.com  wrote:

 

Does nyone know if the ability to make and receive calls from your Mac will
be working with iOS 8 and the Yosemite beta?   Do I need either to wait for
my iPhone 6 or for the full Yosemite or both?  Thanks.

 

 

 

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RE: When Apple sends me my Verizon iPhone 6, will I need to transfer the sim card from 5 to 6?

2014-09-19 Thread Rose Combs
When I trade in my phones for a new one, will my network password be saved?
I sort of think not, but it is huge and on the bottom of the router, I will
want my wifi, of course.  Probably will have to wait until someone can read
it to me, I tried taking a picture of it last spring when I was having
problems and that did not work for me.  I can't picture me putting this box
on the flatbed scanner.  Well, not doing anything about this today anyway,
just curious. '

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:06 AM
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Subject: Re: When Apple sends me my Verizon iPhone 6, will I need to
transfer the sim card from 5 to 6?

 

Hi,

 

You should be able to transfer the sim card over to the new one if they are
using the same type as the 5/5s.

 

Matthew

 

 

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kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote:





Hi,

 

Just wondering if my Verizon iPHone which I bought from Apple will come with
it's own sim card, or will I need to transfer the sim card from the 5 into
the 6?

 

Thanks.

 

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enhanced voices

2014-09-19 Thread Tom Rash
I downloaded Alex and love it.  I was seeing if there was an enhanced voice.
for Alex.  Saw next to Alex an enhanced button.  Clicked on that and an
English female voices started reading the progress for downloading a voice.
When it was done Alex was gone as my default voice.. Got Alex back.  How can
I find and delete the enhanced Female English voice.  Not a big deal, just
want to clear some memlry.  Thanks.


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Re: What is audio ducking in iOS eight

2014-09-19 Thread Scott Berry
Audio ducting is when your sound level drops for instance when Voiceover talks 
and your music lowers.


On Sep 19, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com wrote:

 That is where the volume of music or an audio book, etc., dims when
 VoiceOver speaks so you can hear VoiceOver more clearly.
 Apparently, now you can turn that off if you want.
 I haven't played with it yet.
 Richard
 
 
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 Hi all, and thank you once again for the help. I hope this will be my last
 message concerning iOS 8. I found audio docking in the road rotary and I
 don't know what it is at least I put it on my rotor so I could find out
 about it and use it if necessary. Thank you all very very much. God bless,
 Wren Langley
 
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iOS 8 download

2014-09-19 Thread gs
I had been unable to get the download for iOS 8 to proceed at a reasonable pace 
since it was released.  I finally used a VPN and connected to a server in Los 
Angeles and the download is progressing as it should!

Apple's CDN seems to be problematic for some locations.


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Re: Ios 8 voiceover problem with Safari

2014-09-19 Thread Russ Kiehne
Thanks for confirming this issue.  If I knew about this ahead of time, I would 
not have upgraded to ios 8.

From: Alex Hall 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Ios 8 voiceover problem with Safari

That's not specific to Kindle; I just tried it on a random website and the same 
thing happened. Thanks for pointing it out!

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  This problem started after upgrading to ios 8 on my 5th generation ipod touch.
  I have a shortcut on my home screen for the Amazon Kindle mobile store
  http://www.amazon.com/kindlemobilestore
  This 3 minute mp3 is the best way for me to show you the problem I ran into
  https://www.sendspace.com/file/sw5dta

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Re: Ios 8 voiceover problem with Safari

2014-09-19 Thread Alex Hall
Sorry it didn't get onto the AppleVis bug list before the release; none of us 
noticed it. I'll go add it now, though.
On Sep 19, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Russ Kiehne russ94...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for confirming this issue.  If I knew about this ahead of time, I 
 would not have upgraded to ios 8.
  
 From: Alex Hall
 Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:53 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Ios 8 voiceover problem with Safari
  
 That's not specific to Kindle; I just tried it on a random website and the 
 same thing happened. Thanks for pointing it out!
 On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Russ Kiehne russ94...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This problem started after upgrading to ios 8 on my 5th generation ipod 
 touch.
 I have a shortcut on my home screen for the Amazon Kindle mobile store
 http://www.amazon.com/kindlemobilestore
 This 3 minute mp3 is the best way for me to show you the problem I ran into
 https://www.sendspace.com/file/sw5dta
  
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Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-19 Thread Charles Rivard
I used to do repair work on the Sony TC105 machines.  Always having to 
replace those darned O rings!  The machines were well built, though.


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Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released


Isn't that the truth, I had to learn to use a slate and stylus so I could
take notes but I was never fast, and an old cassette recorder from
RadioShack that did not have a fast forward, and of course the Sony 105 with
reels of tape.  I had to pay for readers, some were wonderful, many were
not.  If I were going to college today I would have it a lot easier whether
I used a note taker or an I device.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Gail the U. S. Male
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

Neil, boy, do you bring back memories!  We must be close to the same age,
because I also remember having to deal with readers, multiple reel to reel
tape recorders, all that kind of thing.LOL! younger people have no clue how
good they have it today, compared to what we had to go through, just to get
a book read!  I for one am glad I've lived long enough to see what it is
like today.  Yes, we have a long way to go still, but we're slowly getting
there.
- Original Message - 
From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:04 PM
Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released


Hey Guys. I know what you're saying. I have labels all over my house for
things that are not accessible, but I don't make my money washing cloths or
cooking in my microwave. I know, that doesn't change the small percent of
the population we are. I understand that. I also understand that there has
been a steady decline in Apple's accessibility. I know this from talking to
a lot of Mac users who are now deciding if it is time for them to go back to
Windows. Again, I am mostly talking about people whose jobs depend on using
their computer or device. Again, that doesn't change the percentage, it was
very hard to read that list. There are those who try to brow beat companies
into being accessible. I have often thought of them as just whining and
crying, oh we poor blind people. AAnd that is what some of them do. Others,
take a more coorperative approach. So there are extremes on either side.
Some wait for apple to offer them the same magic sighted users have, while
others try to convince the company to do a better job. This is what the beta
team does. The beta team evidently had some very smart people who were blind
on it. No, we still haven't changed the percentage of people who are blind
in the world, but they put in a lot of work trying to help Apple develop a
product that would work well for us. In other words, there needs to be some
people in the blindness community that tries to work against the flow. You
may call us impatient if you wish. You may think we don't understand what it
is like to not have accessibility at our fingertips. I bet I am older than
most everyone on this list. Try having to hire 80 readers in Graduate school
who read books on my 12 reel to reel recorders. It took about as much time
to organize the readers and the books as it did to read them.

And we still haven't changed the percentage. We never will. But that doesn't
mean we don't try to make things more equal. I don't believe there is any
shame in that. So, let's not blame people who are pushing the envelope as
being whiners and impatient. Some of those people have been the ones to get
us where we are today.

Neal

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Of alia robinson
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

Yep, that's life, and it's not fair, but it's okay. We just have to deal
with it. It took me three months to find an oven I could use. all of them
are flat pannels for the controls now; it's just the way things are. we have
to deal.

Alia

On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:34 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com

wrote:


At work, we have a water filtration system which has multiple settings.

the system announces which type of water is coming out when it is started.
It does not announce the setting when being set. We have a few pieces of
tape on the face of the machine so I can find the start button.


My microwave oven has no announcements whatsoever. We marked the touch

panel with dots on the buttons, but I have no way of knowing for certain
what I have pressed until it is finished. The same is true with our washing
machine and dryer.

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Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-19 Thread Charles Rivard
The phones are doing more and more.  The problem I fear, sort of, is that, 
if your phone breaks, all this independence is also broken until a 
replacement can be gotten.


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Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released


Yes, ovens are a pain, mine has some Velcro pieces on it and still sometimes
I can't get the temperature to set right.  Annoying since now no one here to
take a look if I am uncertain.

My late husband was giving me grief about it once and I told him to turn off
his eyes and do it all perfectly, guess what, I missed also when he closed
his eyes.
I don't really want a new range but I could control it with my phone it
might be worth it.


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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

Yep, that's life, and it's not fair, but it's okay. We just have to deal
with it. It took me three months to find an oven I could use. all of them
are flat pannels for the controls now; it's just the way things are. we have
to deal.

Alia

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wrote:


At work, we have a water filtration system which has multiple settings.

the system announces which type of water is coming out when it is started.
It does not announce the setting when being set. We have a few pieces of
tape on the face of the machine so I can find the start button.


My microwave oven has no announcements whatsoever. We marked the touch

panel with dots on the buttons, but I have no way of knowing for certain
what I have pressed until it is finished. The same is true with our washing
machine and dryer.

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Jail Break Help

2014-09-19 Thread Blind Treasures
I'm wanting to give IOS 8 a try but my phone is currently jail broken. I
would like to save my jail break settings and apps. Can someone who has gone
through this tell me what is the best way to go about making a copy of my
settings and app so I can restore it back later when IOS 8 has been jail
broken? I use to have an app called Xfile which would do it but I don't
think it works anymore since IOS 7.  Thanks for any help.


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live a hundred years smothered by a lie.--Lena Haloway

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Re: For People wanting to downgrade back to 7.1.2

2014-09-19 Thread gs
Hmm.  Is there no way to get the model of the phone from iOS?

On Sep 19, 2014, at 2:43 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

You can get the IPSW file at www.IPSWDownloader.com
Please make sure you know exactly which phone model you have so you can
download the appropriate file. It is not enough to know that you have an
iPhone 5C or 5S since there are different models of these for different
markets/carriers. The model can be found on the back of the phone, it will
be a letter and 4 numbers, e.g. A1533.

Once the file is downloaded you must first unzip/extract it to get to the
IPSW file you need. In Windows the file type will be announced as Apple
Software Update File.


Regards,
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RE: Phone calls from your Mac

2014-09-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Are you running the Yosemite public beta? I am pretty sure that at least
handoff is a feature which will only work between an iOS 8 device and a Mac
running OS X Yosemite.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Phone calls from your Mac

 

On my Mac, an IMac from 2011, niether the new airdrop nor the handoff
feature work.

/Krister

 

19 sep 2014 kl. 04:34 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org
mailto:jmo...@mosen.org :

 

Hi Bill, as long as both devices are signed into the same Wi-Fi network and
Apple ID, I think it's all on by default. You can check under System
Preferences, General on your Mac that Handoff is enabled, and there is a
Handoff settings in iOS as well.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ 

 

On 19/09/2014, at 1:19 pm, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com
mailto:bill32...@gmail.com  wrote:

 

Where do I go to get started setting up?

Thanks.

Bill

 

 


Sent from my iPhone


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Hi Bill, It's working fine for me with iOS 8 and the Yosemite beta. The Mac
makes an incredibly good speaker phone actually.

Jonathan Mosen

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http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ 

 

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Does nyone know if the ability to make and receive calls from your Mac will
be working with iOS 8 and the Yosemite beta?   Do I need either to wait for
my iPhone 6 or for the full Yosemite or both?  Thanks.

 

 

 

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seeing purchases by a family member

2014-09-19 Thread Donald Bishop
Hi all,

I set up family sharing and my wife upgrade to ios 8.  She was able to accept 
my invitation into the family sharing, but I can't see her purchases and she 
can't see mine.  I probably forgot a step somewhere, but don't know what it is. 
 

I'd think I could easily find a list of her purchases and she could fine a list 
of mine, but not working.

What am I missing?

Thanks,

Don


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RE: iOS and a smiling Face

2014-09-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I tried it the other night after I came home from the bar and had a few too 
many. It said “One face, wasted”.

OK, so I did make that up, I was tempted not to say that, but I didn’t want to 
start a 100 message thread and be the cause for half the people on the list 
getting drunk *smile*.

 

Take care,

Sieghard

 

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Subject: Re: iOS and a smiling Face

 

Yes, this really does seem to be happening. I'm not sure what other types of 
faces are communicated? a bit more experimentation today I heard at least one 
other type where it said face one blinking




On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:26 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
mailto:mehg...@icloud.com  wrote:

Really? That's cool, and as far as I know, new to iOS8.

On Sep 19, 2014, at 2:08 AM, Kelly Ford ke...@kellford.com 
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Hello,

Is this new to iOS 8 or something I just never noticed before? I needed a 
picture of myself so took one. What was new to me was that when viewing the 
photo VO now read Face 1: smiling when I touched the picture.

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RE: App store issue in IOS 8.

2014-09-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Mária,

Maybe the button is not actually on the screen and there are issues with 
Voiceover not doing anything when you double tap on links or buttons which 
aren't visible on the screen. Tell your friend to try and do a 3-finger swipe 
up until she gets to the last page as I assume that the I Agree button would be 
at the end. Then she should try again to double tap on it.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Mária Orovcíková
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 7:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: App store issue in IOS 8.

Hello list,
my friend, who is not on this list has the following issue.
she has updated her ipad 3 to IOS 8.
When she opens app store to download apps, before downloading she is 
required to agree to new terms of use.
However, she is not able to click on agree button using Voiceover.
I had the same issue, but I figured it out by turning Voiceover off and 
clicking on the button. She is not able to do that for some reason, it 
does not let her click on agree button.
Please does anyone know how to get it fixed?
She does not have any sighted help around.
Thank you for your help in andvance.
With kind regards
Maria

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RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-19 Thread Rose Combs
You do have to update to IOS8, correct?  I was not going to do it but, if I
can get it to work I may, even though I really want a new 6 or 6 plus.  
More urgent need than I had last year at this time for the most part.  No
helping eyes here any longer.  


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Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

Ar, good to know KNFB Reader works on the 4s or be it slower. My impression
was they wasn't going to support the 4s for the time being, at least
officially. So this is reassuring news that it does in fact work.
On 18 Sep 2014, at 18:23, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:

 I answered my own question... Yes, the KNFB reader will work with a iPhone
4S. 
 I downloaded the app. It is obviously slower... It takes about 5 seconds
to process the image, but so far, it is working well. 
 Chuck 
 
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Re: App store issue in IOS 8.

2014-09-19 Thread Wayne Merritt
You can also touch 4 fingers near the bottom of the screen and that
will almost always go to the I Agree button as well. Sometimes I have
to do this gesture twice before it works, but it does work.

Wayne

On 9/19/14, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Mária,

 Maybe the button is not actually on the screen and there are issues with
 Voiceover not doing anything when you double tap on links or buttons which
 aren't visible on the screen. Tell your friend to try and do a 3-finger
 swipe up until she gets to the last page as I assume that the I Agree button
 would be at the end. Then she should try again to double tap on it.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

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 Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 7:04 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: App store issue in IOS 8.

 Hello list,
 my friend, who is not on this list has the following issue.
 she has updated her ipad 3 to IOS 8.
 When she opens app store to download apps, before downloading she is
 required to agree to new terms of use.
 However, she is not able to click on agree button using Voiceover.
 I had the same issue, but I figured it out by turning Voiceover off and
 clicking on the button. She is not able to do that for some reason, it
 does not let her click on agree button.
 Please does anyone know how to get it fixed?
 She does not have any sighted help around.
 Thank you for your help in andvance.
 With kind regards
 Maria

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RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-19 Thread Rose Combs
Oh, Wow! I really don't want to put IOS8 on this 4S but would like to have
the app, price is high but if it works at all better than my results over
the past few years well worth it, maybe I will go get it and try on my 4S.  

 

 

 

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Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 

Okay, I've tried out the app and here are my impressions.  First, I am
running on an iPhone 5S using the latest version of IOS7.  In addition to
using the field report option, there is an option next to the take picture
button called Tilt Guidance.  I found that I wasn't holding the phone in a
level position.  With tilt guidance on, the phone will vibrate until you are
holding the phone in a level state.  This is very useful, particularly for
one who has no vision.  ONce the phone was level, I go excellent results.
From the time the picture was snapped, it took about 2 seconds for text to
be read aloud.  While practice and persistence is crucial, this app is a
winner, as far as I'm concerned.

 

Les

On Sep 18, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote:





I took a picture of my computer screen, with a Wikipedia article on it, with
the cayenne FB reader. It works quite well, about 95% accuracy.

Chuck (mobile)

Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.


On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote:

let us know if you can scan minues on lcd desplays etc

On 9/18/2014 5:23 AM, Anthony Vece wrote:

Eileen;

 

I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.

 

If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.



Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s!


On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com
wrote:

Hello Jonathan,





Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm
going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will
purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the
KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be
terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that
they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the
use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical
stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app
was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. 





Thanks so much for your first impressions.





Best,

Eileen


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On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote:

It is now available on the app store to download.



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On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote:

Jonathan,

So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?  

 

Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding
the phone over the page or item?  

 

Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!

 

Brian M

 

 

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Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 

I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone
5s. I couldn't be more impressed.

I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came
to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page
of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The
feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly
helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more
information about camera positioning and angle.

And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.

It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly
it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast,
or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.

Jonathan Mosen

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RE: When Apple sends me my Verizon iPhone 6, will I need to transfer the sim card from 5 to 6?

2014-09-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
No, you will have to enter the password for your WiFi. 

 

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Of Rose Combs
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 7:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: When Apple sends me my Verizon iPhone 6, will I need to
transfer the sim card from 5 to 6?

 

When I trade in my phones for a new one, will my network password be saved?
I sort of think not, but it is huge and on the bottom of the router, I will
want my wifi, of course.  Probably will have to wait until someone can read
it to me, I tried taking a picture of it last spring when I was having
problems and that did not work for me.  I can't picture me putting this box
on the flatbed scanner.  Well, not doing anything about this today anyway,
just curious. '

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of matthew Dyer
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: When Apple sends me my Verizon iPhone 6, will I need to
transfer the sim card from 5 to 6?

 

Hi,

 

You should be able to transfer the sim card over to the new one if they are
using the same type as the 5/5s.

 

Matthew

 

 

On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:42 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu mailto:kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu  wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Just wondering if my Verizon iPHone which I bought from Apple will come with
it's own sim card, or will I need to transfer the sim card from the 5 into
the 6?

 

Thanks.

 

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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-19 Thread Anouk Radix
As far as I know this will work with 7 as well.
Greetings, Anouk,
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 Oh, Wow! I really don't want to put IOS8 on this 4S but would like to have 
 the app, price is high but if it works at all better than my results over the 
 past few years well worth it, maybe I will go get it and try on my 4S. 
  
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Les Kriegler
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:44 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
  
 Okay, I've tried out the app and here are my impressions.  First, I am 
 running on an iPhone 5S using the latest version of IOS7.  In addition to 
 using the field report option, there is an option next to the take picture 
 button called Tilt Guidance.  I found that I wasn't holding the phone in a 
 level position.  With tilt guidance on, the phone will vibrate until you are 
 holding the phone in a level state.  This is very useful, particularly for 
 one who has no vision.  ONce the phone was level, I go excellent results.  
 From the time the picture was snapped, it took about 2 seconds for text to be 
 read aloud.  While practice and persistence is crucial, this app is a winner, 
 as far as I'm concerned.
  
 Les
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 I took a picture of my computer screen, with a Wikipedia article on it, with 
 the cayenne FB reader. It works quite well, about 95% accuracy.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
 hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 let us know if you can scan minues on lcd desplays etc
 
 On 9/18/2014 5:23 AM, Anthony Vece wrote:
 Eileen;
  
 I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.
  
 If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.
 
 
 Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s!
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Jonathan,
 
 
 Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm 
 going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will 
 purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the 
 KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be 
 terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that 
 they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the 
 use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical 
 stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app 
 was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. 
 
 
 Thanks so much for your first impressions.
 
 
 Best,
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 It is now available on the app store to download.
 
 
   Regards, Feliciano
  
  
  
 Like my Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327
 Follow me on Twitter:Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
  
  
 Sent from the Super-iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Jonathan,
 So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? 
  
 Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding 
 the phone over the page or item? 
  
 Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
  
 Brian M
  
  
 From:viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 OfJonathan Mosen
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
 To:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
  
 I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. 
 I couldn't be more impressed.
 I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to 
 reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of 
 a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback 
 one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can 
 use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about 
 camera positioning and angle.
 And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
 It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
 it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or 
 accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
  
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Re: Ios 8 voiceover problem with Safari

2014-09-19 Thread Jim Fettgather
I am not happy about it, but I am having to use Chrome to do any reliable 
online ordering.

From: Russ Kiehne 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Ios 8 voiceover problem with Safari

Thanks for confirming this issue.  If I knew about this ahead of time, I would 
not have upgraded to ios 8.

From: Alex Hall 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Ios 8 voiceover problem with Safari

That's not specific to Kindle; I just tried it on a random website and the same 
thing happened. Thanks for pointing it out!

On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Russ Kiehne russ94...@gmail.com wrote:


  This problem started after upgrading to ios 8 on my 5th generation ipod touch.
  I have a shortcut on my home screen for the Amazon Kindle mobile store
  http://www.amazon.com/kindlemobilestore
  This 3 minute mp3 is the best way for me to show you the problem I ran into
  https://www.sendspace.com/file/sw5dta

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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-19 Thread Gmail
No, upgrading to iOS 8 is not necessary. The app was designed to work with iOS 
7 and above.


Thanks,
Ari

 On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 You do have to update to IOS8, correct?  I was not going to do it but, if I
 can get it to work I may, even though I really want a new 6 or 6 plus.  
 More urgent need than I had last year at this time for the most part.  No
 helping eyes here any longer.  
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of christopher hallsworth
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:03 AM
 To: Viphone
 Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
 
 Ar, good to know KNFB Reader works on the 4s or be it slower. My impression
 was they wasn't going to support the 4s for the time being, at least
 officially. So this is reassuring news that it does in fact work.
 On 18 Sep 2014, at 18:23, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I answered my own question... Yes, the KNFB reader will work with a iPhone
 4S. 
 I downloaded the app. It is obviously slower... It takes about 5 seconds
 to process the image, but so far, it is working well. 
 Chuck 
 
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RE: For People wanting to downgrade back to 7.1.2

2014-09-19 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
No, you will have to get a sighted person to tell you the model on the back
of the phone, I think it's near the bottom.

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Hmm.  Is there no way to get the model of the phone from iOS?

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You can get the IPSW file at www.IPSWDownloader.com Please make sure you
know exactly which phone model you have so you can download the appropriate
file. It is not enough to know that you have an iPhone 5C or 5S since there
are different models of these for different markets/carriers. The model can
be found on the back of the phone, it will be a letter and 4 numbers, e.g.
A1533.

Once the file is downloaded you must first unzip/extract it to get to the
IPSW file you need. In Windows the file type will be announced as Apple
Software Update File.


Regards,
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-19 Thread Chuck Dean
Hi Rose,
No you do not have to update to iOS eight. I installed the cayenne FB reader 
onto my iPhone for S and I am running iOS 7.12. 
 works pretty good, however the processing is a little slow. Once I take a 
picture it takes 5 to 6 seconds before it starts speaking.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 You do have to update to IOS8, correct?  I was not going to do it but, if I
 can get it to work I may, even though I really want a new 6 or 6 plus.  
 More urgent need than I had last year at this time for the most part.  No
 helping eyes here any longer.  
 
 
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 Of christopher hallsworth
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:03 AM
 To: Viphone
 Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
 
 Ar, good to know KNFB Reader works on the 4s or be it slower. My impression
 was they wasn't going to support the 4s for the time being, at least
 officially. So this is reassuring news that it does in fact work.
 On 18 Sep 2014, at 18:23, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I answered my own question... Yes, the KNFB reader will work with a iPhone
 4S. 
 I downloaded the app. It is obviously slower... It takes about 5 seconds
 to process the image, but so far, it is working well. 
 Chuck 
 
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Re: Ios 8 voiceover problem with Safari

2014-09-19 Thread Traci Duncan
Hi, I listened to the mp3 and this reminds me of an issue I have in iOS 7.  It 
happens when I'm doing Google searching, it is as if there is nothing VoiceOver 
can focus on.  Flicking does nothing.

What works for me is to tap the status bar at the top.  Tap the time or 
something, this seems to give VoiceOver focus again.  I usually put my finger 
in the middle of the screen to begin flicking.

*Shrugs,* it has helped me out in Google searches, maybe it'll work on the 
Kindle page.

Traci

On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Jim Fettgather jimfettgat...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am not happy about it, but I am having to use Chrome to do any reliable 
 online ordering.
  
 From: Russ Kiehne
 Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:29 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Ios 8 voiceover problem with Safari
  
 Thanks for confirming this issue.  If I knew about this ahead of time, I 
 would not have upgraded to ios 8.
  
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 Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:53 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Ios 8 voiceover problem with Safari
  
 That's not specific to Kindle; I just tried it on a random website and the 
 same thing happened. Thanks for pointing it out!
 On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Russ Kiehne russ94...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This problem started after upgrading to ios 8 on my 5th generation ipod 
 touch.
 I have a shortcut on my home screen for the Amazon Kindle mobile store
 http://www.amazon.com/kindlemobilestore
 This 3 minute mp3 is the best way for me to show you the problem I ran into
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Re: For People wanting to downgrade back to 7.1.2

2014-09-19 Thread Anthony Vece
If you go into General, Settings and, About it will be there.


Sent from my ATT iPhone 5s!

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 No, you will have to get a sighted person to tell you the model on the back
 of the phone, I think it's near the bottom.
 
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 Subject: Re: For People wanting to downgrade back to 7.1.2
 
 Hmm.  Is there no way to get the model of the phone from iOS?
 
 On Sep 19, 2014, at 2:43 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 You can get the IPSW file at www.IPSWDownloader.com Please make sure you
 know exactly which phone model you have so you can download the appropriate
 file. It is not enough to know that you have an iPhone 5C or 5S since there
 are different models of these for different markets/carriers. The model can
 be found on the back of the phone, it will be a letter and 4 numbers, e.g.
 A1533.
 
 Once the file is downloaded you must first unzip/extract it to get to the
 IPSW file you need. In Windows the file type will be announced as Apple
 Software Update File.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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Apple Encryption goes to another level

2014-09-19 Thread Neal Ewers
How Apple and Google are protecting privacy.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-29276955#

 

Neal

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Music information on lock screen

2014-09-19 Thread Traci Duncan
Hi all,

I'm enjoying some music via bluettooth on my iPhone.  The way that the music is 
displayed on the lock screen, do we have any options here?  It seems to go 
Artist, track, Album.  I would love to have the track first.

Thanks,
Traci

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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-19 Thread Chuck Dean
Hi Rose,
I would hold off upgrading to IOS 8. I upgraded my iPad mini, and it has more 
bugs than my very first apartment in Chicago!

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 No, upgrading to iOS 8 is not necessary. The app was designed to work with 
 iOS 7 and above.
 
 
 Thanks,
 Ari
 
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 You do have to update to IOS8, correct?  I was not going to do it but, if I
 can get it to work I may, even though I really want a new 6 or 6 plus.  
 More urgent need than I had last year at this time for the most part.  No
 helping eyes here any longer.  
 
 
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 Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
 
 Ar, good to know KNFB Reader works on the 4s or be it slower. My impression
 was they wasn't going to support the 4s for the time being, at least
 officially. So this is reassuring news that it does in fact work.
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 I answered my own question... Yes, the KNFB reader will work with a iPhone
 4S. 
 I downloaded the app. It is obviously slower... It takes about 5 seconds
 to process the image, but so far, it is working well. 
 Chuck 
 
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