RE: MODERATOR NOTE: Policy Regarding Posting Sale or Trade Items to the Group

[M. Taylor]

Teresa,

Actually, members are welcome to sell items, on-list as long as they contact 
either Cara or me, first.

Another option is to contact services such as Gazelle.com at 
https://www.gazelle.com

Mark

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Teresa Christian
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:11 PM
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Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: Policy Regarding Posting Sale or Trade Items to 
the Group

Does anyone know of a good way to sell cell phones and such?

Teresa


On 6/23/16, Elizabeth S Bowden  wrote:
> Hello All,
> I sincerely apologize for posting items.  I was not aware of the 
> policy regarding selling or trading on the list. Now that I am aware, 
> I will not do so.  I am sorry if I offended anyone.
>
> Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
>
> Thanks
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Re: MODERATOR NOTE: Policy Regarding Posting Sale or Trade Items to the Group

[Teresa Christian]

Does anyone know of a good way to sell cell phones and such?

Teresa


On 6/23/16, Elizabeth S Bowden  wrote:
> Hello All,
> I sincerely apologize for posting items.  I was not aware of the policy
> regarding selling or trading on the list. Now that I am aware, I will not do
> so.  I am sorry if I offended anyone.
>
> Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
>
> Thanks
> -Original Message-
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> Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 1:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: Policy Regarding Posting Sale or Trade Items to the
> Group
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Please remember that you must first obtain permission from either Cara or
> me
> before posting any sale or trade items to the group.
>
> Remember to make your initial request to either of us, off-list.
>
> Should you receive said permission, please state in your group post that
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Re: Family Sharing, periodic opt out

[Julian]

Hi Tom,

The better thing to do is to add credit to your iTunes account by loading 
iTunes gift cards. Once you've done that, any purchases you make will draw on 
that balance first before the billing method for the family member who is in 
charge of the family share plan.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:03 PM, Tom Rash  wrote:
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> Someone added me to their family sharing so I can share Apple Music.  From 
> time to time I'd like to purchase or rent movies that I don't want this 
> family member to pay for.  Is there a way to temporarily opt out so I can 
> make those purchases  and then sign back in for Apple Music?  Thanks.
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Family Sharing, periodic opt out

[Tom Rash]

Someone added me to their family sharing so I can share Apple Music.  From
time to time I'd like to purchase or rent movies that I don't want this
family member to pay for.  Is there a way to temporarily opt out so I can
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RE: The sort of light detector app I would like!

[Jim Ruby]

I'm interested too.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 5:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!


There are two ways I could help you out. 
1. You could buy me a bot vacuum cleaner, or 2. you could fly me over there. 
(Big grin."
Sure, I'll try it out with as many different appliances as I can.
I do not have the need for a bot vacuum cleaner, but I'll check around for 
other appliances with different colored lights.
While this isn't an iPhone app, unless Mark says otherwise, once I have tested 
it out, I'll be glad to send a note to the list.
Or, I can just write folks directly if that is preferred by Mark, the moderator.
Thanks,
Richard


"The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure  they 
are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor

(Sent from my iPod 6)

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 11:39 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Richard,
> Will you give it a thorough workout with every appliance you can find? Will 
> you come and visit me and my  BotVac  and try with that? I just need to know 
> about battery status.now I think about it, there is a toggle button on my 
> Thermomix  and it flashes when it's turned on. So, will it indicate a 
> flashing/pulsing light?
> 
>On the BotVac, there are circular lights around the buttons, indicating 
> charging: will it see and report on the shape? There is a 3 section battery 
> status bar, so, 1 green means 3rd charged etc. I wonder how it will deal with 
> that?
> 
> I await your findings with interest!!!
> 
> Sandy. 
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 23 Jun 2016, at 19:11, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I spoke with the owner of the company this morning as this is a device our 
>> clients would love. When I asked her about LED lights on appliances, she 
>> said "if they are bright."
>> Her husband is the engineer that designed it for her. She only has light and 
>> dark perception. You touch it to the item you want to know the color of. I 
>> ordered one to try out and show to our clients.
>> Yes, it is $65, but the reviews say it is much more accurate than the 
>> Colorino which costs three times that much. Also, for those who care about 
>> these things, it is made in the United States.
>> It has a 1 year warrantee for repairs and a 4 month replacement policy, 
>> which to me, is rather generous for this kind of item. They will also do 
>> refunds if you decide you do not like it in the short term. I didn't ask how 
>> long that is, but most businesses will refund your money if you return it in 
>> 30 days.
>> Later,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure  
>> they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor
>> 
>> (Sent from my iPod 6)
>> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 10:08 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wonder, Peggy,
>>> seeing as you actually have one of these rainbow two devices, have you 
>>> tried it on appliances with LEDs? originally, I was looking for an app, and 
>>> I'm sure the iPhone could do this! but, while waiting, I could be 
>>> interested in one of these, always assuming I could buy one on the side of 
>>> the pond. some feedback as to how it does would be brilliant!
>>> Thanks, if you get the chance, send it.
>>> sandy
>>> 
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>> 
 On 23 Jun 2016, at 16:55, Kimber Gardner  
 wrote:
 
 On the manufacturer's web site it says the following,
 
 "The ability to read bright LEDs means indicators can now be read 
 correctly."
 
 So I'm guessing it may be used to do what Sandy is asking about.
 
 Kimber
 
> On 6/23/16, pegkan...@gmail.com  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> The rainbow II. Color reader is the most accurate one that I have ever 
> used.
> When identifying the color pink most of them say read but this one 
> actually
> says pink.
> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, can you tell us about the rainbow two ??  How accurate is it?  I
>> know that the Color Identifier in the app store is not very good as I 
>> have
>> it and never use it.  I would be interested to hear of the Rainbow
>> though.. Thanks so much, Andy and Shubert
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: pegkan...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Sandra,
>> I have an app that is called light detector I purchased it through the 
>> App
>> Store.
>> There is also something called the rainbow two which is I in Roman
>> numerals color reader. My

Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!

[Richard Turner]

There are two ways I could help you out. 
1. You could buy me a bot vacuum cleaner, or 2. you could fly me over there. 
(Big grin."
Sure, I'll try it out with as many different appliances as I can.
I do not have the need for a bot vacuum cleaner, but I'll check around for 
other appliances with different colored lights.
While this isn't an iPhone app, unless Mark says otherwise, once I have tested 
it out, I'll be glad to send a note to the list.
Or, I can just write folks directly if that is preferred by Mark, the moderator.
Thanks,
Richard


"The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure  they 
are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor

(Sent from my iPod 6)

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 11:39 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Richard,
> Will you give it a thorough workout with every appliance you can find? Will 
> you come and visit me and my  BotVac  and try with that? I just need to know 
> about battery status.now I think about it, there is a toggle button on my 
> Thermomix  and it flashes when it's turned on. So, will it indicate a 
> flashing/pulsing light?
> 
>On the BotVac, there are circular lights around the buttons, indicating 
> charging: will it see and report on the shape? There is a 3 section battery 
> status bar, so, 1 green means 3rd charged etc. I wonder how it will deal with 
> that?
> 
> I await your findings with interest!!!
> 
> Sandy. 
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 23 Jun 2016, at 19:11, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I spoke with the owner of the company this morning as this is a device our 
>> clients would love. When I asked her about LED lights on appliances, she 
>> said "if they are bright."
>> Her husband is the engineer that designed it for her. She only has light and 
>> dark perception. You touch it to the item you want to know the color of. I 
>> ordered one to try out and show to our clients.
>> Yes, it is $65, but the reviews say it is much more accurate than the 
>> Colorino which costs three times that much. Also, for those who care about 
>> these things, it is made in the United States.
>> It has a 1 year warrantee for repairs and a 4 month replacement policy, 
>> which to me, is rather generous for this kind of item. They will also do 
>> refunds if you decide you do not like it in the short term. I didn't ask how 
>> long that is, but most businesses will refund your money if you return it in 
>> 30 days.
>> Later,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure  
>> they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor
>> 
>> (Sent from my iPod 6)
>> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 10:08 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wonder, Peggy,
>>> seeing as you actually have one of these rainbow two devices, have you 
>>> tried it on appliances with LEDs? originally, I was looking for an app, and 
>>> I'm sure the iPhone could do this! but, while waiting, I could be 
>>> interested in one of these, always assuming I could buy one on the side of 
>>> the pond. some feedback as to how it does would be brilliant!
>>> Thanks, if you get the chance, send it.
>>> sandy
>>> 
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>> 
 On 23 Jun 2016, at 16:55, Kimber Gardner  
 wrote:
 
 On the manufacturer's web site it says the following,
 
 "The ability to read bright LEDs means indicators can now be read 
 correctly."
 
 So I'm guessing it may be used to do what Sandy is asking about.
 
 Kimber
 
> On 6/23/16, pegkan...@gmail.com  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> The rainbow II. Color reader is the most accurate one that I have ever 
> used.
> When identifying the color pink most of them say read but this one 
> actually
> says pink.
> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, can you tell us about the rainbow two ??  How accurate is it?  I
>> know that the Color Identifier in the app store is not very good as I 
>> have
>> it and never use it.  I would be interested to hear of the Rainbow
>> though.. Thanks so much, Andy and Shubert
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: pegkan...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Sandra,
>> I have an app that is called light detector I purchased it through the 
>> App
>> Store.
>> There is also something called the rainbow two which is I in Roman
>> numerals color reader. My husband purchased this for me through Amazon in
>> their excess ability section.
>> If this information is not clear or I can be of further assistance please
>> contact me.
>> Peggy Kane
>> This rainbow to color reader was designed by a blind engin

RE: eBook reader

[Alan Lemly]

Russ,

 

Will Codex allow conversion of an Adobe book protected with DRM?

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ Kiehne
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: eBook reader

 

   Or use codex to convert it to a format of your liking?

 

From: Anne Robertson   

Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:10 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: eBook reader

 

You could try Kobo. Kobo books are readable with Adobe Digital Editions on the 
Mac. Kobo is actually my favourite ebook reader on the iPhone.

 

Cheers,

 

Anne

 

 

 

On 22 Jun 2016, at 11:33, David Renstrom  
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I would like to read eBooks which require an Adobe ID. The recommended app is 
Bluefire. However, this app is not accessible, i.e. it’s not possible to read 
the text itself even though most controls are usable. I’ve also tried Voice 
Dream Reader but it doesn’t seem to support Adobe ID.

 

Has anyone got a tip for a eBook reader that works with VoiceOver?

 

Thanks,

/David R.

David Renström

Synutveckling Skellefteå AB

0910-144 58, tonval 1

da...@synutveckling.se

www.synutveckling.se  

 

 

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Re: bug in rev recorder, looking for another recording app.

[Feliciano Godoy]

Strange. That does not happen to me. I use my iPhone with background app 
refresh disabled as well.

Regards,
Feliciano
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> On Jun 23, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Chris Judd  wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> A few days ago, I posted a question about what recording app people use that 
> will record in m4A, or allow you to use the m4A format.
> You guys gave me great suggestions, but I found a bug in rev recorder.  
> Today, I tried to record something, and with the screen locked, I found out 
> that rev locks, and stops recording after 6 minutes.
> I was wondering if anyone can please give me again what recording apps you 
> use, and if you know of any that will let you lock the screen, and have the 
> recording still be going?
> Thanks for any help,
> Chris
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Re: GPS App works in open area

[Chris Chaffin]

The app that I have seen mentioned before is called My Way Classic:

MyWay Classic by Swiss Federation of the Blind
https://appsto.re/us/KFIDD.i

Here is a link about it on AppleVis:

http://www.applevis.com/apps/ios/navigation/myway-classic

Hope this helps,

Chris


> On Jun 23, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Danny Leung  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> Any one knows a good / reliable GPS app that works in an open area, like 
> parking lot or in the park?
>  
> I have to go through a few parking lots to enter my work’s building. I would 
> like to use an gps app to help myself to train my new guide dog. I have tried 
> MyWay lite app as a test, unfortunately, I found it wasn’t able to show me 
> point 1 to point 2 throughout the rout. Even I have used it to mark down the 
> rout first. Thus, I am hesitating to spend the money for the full version.
>  
> Can anyone give me some idea / advice on this matter?
>  
> Thanks!
> Danny
>  
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GPS App works in open area

[Danny Leung]

Hello all,

Any one knows a good / reliable GPS app that works in an open area, like 
parking lot or in the park?

 

I have to go through a few parking lots to enter my work’s building. I would 
like to use an gps app to help myself to train my new guide dog. I have tried 
MyWay lite app as a test, unfortunately, I found it wasn’t able to show me 
point 1 to point 2 throughout the rout. Even I have used it to mark down the 
rout first. Thus, I am hesitating to spend the money for the full version. 

 

Can anyone give me some idea / advice on this matter?

 

Thanks!

Danny 

 

 

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Re: I have a doubt

[Dani Pagador]

Hi, Ruby.
Try looking for the Amazing Slowdowner app. It's VO friendly from what
I remember. Not sure what it costs, but it shouldn't be too expensive.
There may be a Lite version in addition to the full version.

HTH,
Dani


On 6/21/16, rubyalphonse  wrote:
> Hi Marie, thank you, it is not powerfull but still thanks. Ruby
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Marie
> Sent: 20 June 2016 22:12
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I have a doubt
>
>
>
> The stream does have some control over the treble and bass. When you press
> the power button with the device already on, you will hear eider speed,
> volume or tone. Then pressing the up and down buttons will adjust that
> mode.
>
> Marie
>
>
>
>
>
> From: rubyalphonse 
>
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:32 AM
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: I have a doubt
>
>
>
> Thank you Pete, I just cannot find slow and fast in any gajets except in VR
> stream, but the base and treble I cannot get that benefits in VRStream, so,
> I thought of asking. Thank you I appreciate. Cheers, Ruby
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Pete Nalda
> Sent: 20 June 2016 21:51
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I have a doubt
>
>
>
> As far as slow or fast, no. Not in Apples' music app. There is an app called
> tempo slow to slow down songs. As for the bass, you can go into
> Settings>Music, then scroll down to where it says EQ, and then you can
> choose an EQ that'll boost the bass. There's even one called "Bass Booster
> ". But I find that cuts out too much treble for me. I use "Dance", as it has
> nice bass, but still a clear top end.
>
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>
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>
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>
> On Jun 20, 2016, at 11:02 AM, rubyalphonse  wrote:
>
> Hello all, is there an option in music to make it slow and fast? And to get
> the base or treble loud? Thanks any help is appreciated. Cheers, Ruby
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Re: VO and Tripple Click Home Questions

[Dani Pagador]

Hi, Everyone.
Thanks for the responses re triple click home. I wasn't aware that you
could have none of the items selected. Will try that on my own iPod
and see how it works before I do it on my Mom's iPhone.

My Mom has a bit of a Filipino accent, so Siri sometimes misinterprets
what she says. We tried the Turn VoiceOver off" thing last night, and
the first time she did it, Siri asked "What boys do you want over".
The second time she tried, there was a message saying VoiceOver had
been turned off, but VO sounded like it was still on when Mom hit the
Home button to leave Siri's edit screen. So I'll have to go over
tomorrow to fight with her phone.

Thanks,
Dani



On 6/23/16, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Yes, but that is meant for blind users to access something that may not
> otherwise work with a typical Voiceover gesture.
> It does not allow sighted users to use the phone when Voiceover is running
> as if it were not running. The pass-through gesture itself is something
> sighted people wouldn't know about and for somebody who is not technically
> inclined it would be much easier to tell them to bring up SIRI and ask it to
> turn Voiceover off. If the accessibility shortcut is enabled and Donnie's
> Mom accidently triple presses the home button and turns on Voiceover then
> after Voiceover is turned off using SIRI it would be relatively easy to tell
> her to tap on Settings, then General then Accessibility and to then slide a
> finger up the screen to scroll down and to tap on the Accessibility Shortcut
> button to unselect Voiceover.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 6:03 AM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Re: VO and Tripple Click Home Questions
>
> You don’t have to do that; there is a bypass gesture. It is the one finger
> double tap and hold.
>> On 23 Jun 2016, at 08:49, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>
>> Go into settings, general, accessibility,  and accessibility shortcuts
>> is the last one in the list. Unselect voice over
>>
>> To my knowledge, there is no pass through gesture for letting normal
>> gestures bypass voice over.  You have to turn voice over off to use normal
>> gestures.
>>
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> - Original Message - From: "Dani Pagador" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 2:58 AM
>> Subject: VO and Tripple Click Home Questions
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Everyone.
>>> I need to turn VO off on my Mom's iPhone. I know that I can do this
>>> with either Settings or Siri.
>>>
>>> But I enabled the triple click home shortcut to turn VO on/off for
>>> myself when I need to help her with stuff. (Didn't know at the time I
>>> had the option to use Siri to do that.)
>>>
>>> What if I don't want to be able to use triple click home? Can I
>>> disable it? (My Mom isn't the most tech savvy, dexterous iPhone user,
>>> and it's be easiest to not have to try to figure out what she did
>>> inadvertently to make X or Y feature turn on/off.) I mean, the
>>> feature is turned off by default, so is there a way to turn it off
>>> once it's been enabled?
>>>
>>> And ... is there a pass-through gesture that lets the VO user use
>>> non-VO gestures while VO is on? I'm thinking that if there is such a
>>> thing, I may be able to talk my Mom through turning VO off without
>>> having her deal with VO gestures.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dani
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just getting started, multi-speaker system

[Traci Duncan]

For those iDevice users just getting started on a multi-speaker system, you may 
find the below article helpful.  It didn’t layout all the differences or 
similarities between the speakers, but it’s a good place to start.  Written in 
March 2016.

Sonos Play:1 vs. Bose SoundTouch 10: Which should you get? | iMore


> http://www.imore.com/sonos-play1-vs-bose-soundtouch-10 
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Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

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Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Richard,
Will you give it a thorough workout with every appliance you can find? Will you 
come and visit me and my  BotVac  and try with that? I just need to know about 
battery status.now I think about it, there is a toggle button on my Thermomix  
and it flashes when it's turned on. So, will it indicate a flashing/pulsing 
light?

On the BotVac, there are circular lights around the buttons, indicating 
charging: will it see and report on the shape? There is a 3 section battery 
status bar, so, 1 green means 3rd charged etc. I wonder how it will deal with 
that?

I await your findings with interest!!!

Sandy. 

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 23 Jun 2016, at 19:11, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> I spoke with the owner of the company this morning as this is a device our 
> clients would love. When I asked her about LED lights on appliances, she said 
> "if they are bright."
> Her husband is the engineer that designed it for her. She only has light and 
> dark perception. You touch it to the item you want to know the color of. I 
> ordered one to try out and show to our clients.
> Yes, it is $65, but the reviews say it is much more accurate than the 
> Colorino which costs three times that much. Also, for those who care about 
> these things, it is made in the United States.
> It has a 1 year warrantee for repairs and a 4 month replacement policy, which 
> to me, is rather generous for this kind of item. They will also do refunds if 
> you decide you do not like it in the short term. I didn't ask how long that 
> is, but most businesses will refund your money if you return it in 30 days.
> Later,
> Richard
> 
> 
> "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure  
> they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor
> 
> (Sent from my iPod 6)
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 10:08 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder, Peggy,
>> seeing as you actually have one of these rainbow two devices, have you tried 
>> it on appliances with LEDs? originally, I was looking for an app, and I'm 
>> sure the iPhone could do this! but, while waiting, I could be interested in 
>> one of these, always assuming I could buy one on the side of the pond. some 
>> feedback as to how it does would be brilliant!
>> Thanks, if you get the chance, send it.
>> sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 23 Jun 2016, at 16:55, Kimber Gardner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On the manufacturer's web site it says the following,
>>> 
>>> "The ability to read bright LEDs means indicators can now be read 
>>> correctly."
>>> 
>>> So I'm guessing it may be used to do what Sandy is asking about.
>>> 
>>> Kimber
>>> 
 On 6/23/16, pegkan...@gmail.com  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 The rainbow II. Color reader is the most accurate one that I have ever 
 used.
 When identifying the color pink most of them say read but this one actually
 says pink.
 Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
 
 
> On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, can you tell us about the rainbow two ??  How accurate is it?  I
> know that the Color Identifier in the app store is not very good as I have
> it and never use it.  I would be interested to hear of the Rainbow
> though.. Thanks so much, Andy and Shubert
> 
> -Original Message- From: pegkan...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!
> 
> 
> Hi Sandra,
> I have an app that is called light detector I purchased it through the App
> Store.
> There is also something called the rainbow two which is I in Roman
> numerals color reader. My husband purchased this for me through Amazon in
> their excess ability section.
> If this information is not clear or I can be of further assistance please
> contact me.
> Peggy Kane
> This rainbow to color reader was designed by a blind engineer I believe.
> 
> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:46 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The sort of app I need these days is one that will, reliably, identify
>> LED/indicator lights on appliances, plus their colour. For example, how
>> many are lit up, if they are flashing, what colour they are and which
>> would work as you hover above the lights, so you know which ones are
>> being identified.
>> 
>> Does anyone know of such an app? I have absolutely no success with the
>> 'light indicator" app, if that is what it is called.
>> 
>> I do feel that this should be possible. Afterall, we have colour
>> identifiers, I used to have one, can't remember, now, what it was called,
>> which identified the changing lights that I had set up, they were
>> fibre-optics, and shifted through the spectrum, so it 

Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!

[Kimber Gardner]

Richard,

Would you be willing to drop a note to the list (or to me privately if
it's too far off topic) once you've tested this device?

Thanks

On 6/23/16, Richard Turner  wrote:
>
> I spoke with the owner of the company this morning as this is a device our
> clients would love. When I asked her about LED lights on appliances, she
> said "if they are bright."
> Her husband is the engineer that designed it for her. She only has light and
> dark perception. You touch it to the item you want to know the color of. I
> ordered one to try out and show to our clients.
> Yes, it is $65, but the reviews say it is much more accurate than the
> Colorino which costs three times that much. Also, for those who care about
> these things, it is made in the United States.
> It has a 1 year warrantee for repairs and a 4 month replacement policy,
> which to me, is rather generous for this kind of item. They will also do
> refunds if you decide you do not like it in the short term. I didn't ask how
> long that is, but most businesses will refund your money if you return it in
> 30 days.
> Later,
> Richard
>
>
> "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure
> they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor
>
> (Sent from my iPod 6)
>
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 10:08 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I wonder, Peggy,
>> seeing as you actually have one of these rainbow two devices, have you
>> tried it on appliances with LEDs? originally, I was looking for an app,
>> and I'm sure the iPhone could do this! but, while waiting, I could be
>> interested in one of these, always assuming I could buy one on the side of
>> the pond. some feedback as to how it does would be brilliant!
>> Thanks, if you get the chance, send it.
>> sandy
>>
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>
>>> On 23 Jun 2016, at 16:55, Kimber Gardner 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On the manufacturer's web site it says the following,
>>>
>>> "The ability to read bright LEDs means indicators can now be read
>>> correctly."
>>>
>>> So I'm guessing it may be used to do what Sandy is asking about.
>>>
>>> Kimber
>>>
 On 6/23/16, pegkan...@gmail.com  wrote:

 Hi,
 The rainbow II. Color reader is the most accurate one that I have ever
 used.
 When identifying the color pink most of them say read but this one
 actually
 says pink.
 Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe
> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, can you tell us about the rainbow two ??  How accurate is it?  I
> know that the Color Identifier in the app store is not very good as I
> have
> it and never use it.  I would be interested to hear of the Rainbow
> though.. Thanks so much, Andy and Shubert
>
> -Original Message- From: pegkan...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!
>
>
> Hi Sandra,
> I have an app that is called light detector I purchased it through the
> App
> Store.
> There is also something called the rainbow two which is I in Roman
> numerals color reader. My husband purchased this for me through Amazon
> in
> their excess ability section.
> If this information is not clear or I can be of further assistance
> please
> contact me.
> Peggy Kane
> This rainbow to color reader was designed by a blind engineer I
> believe.
>
> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>
>
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:46 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The sort of app I need these days is one that will, reliably,
>> identify
>> LED/indicator lights on appliances, plus their colour. For example,
>> how
>> many are lit up, if they are flashing, what colour they are and which
>> would work as you hover above the lights, so you know which ones are
>> being identified.
>>
>> Does anyone know of such an app? I have absolutely no success with
>> the
>> 'light indicator" app, if that is what it is called.
>>
>> I do feel that this should be possible. Afterall, we have colour
>> identifiers, I used to have one, can't remember, now, what it was
>> called,
>> which identified the changing lights that I had set up, they were
>> fibre-optics, and shifted through the spectrum, so it could identify
>> lit
>> up colours. I have not seen an app which will accurately, detect the
>> number of leds lit up. But it does all seem, eminently, possible to
>> me.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks, Sandy.
>>
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
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Re: bug in rev recorder, looking for another recording app.

[Leo Bado]

Hi,

I use audio memos pro, it alloows you to record in m4a format when auto 
compress option is enable and other great features. It costs about 10 bucks I 
think.

Also, there is a free version, but is very poor quality as I remember.




El 23/06/2016 a las 11:50 a.m., Chris Judd escribió:
Hey all,
A few days ago, I posted a question about what recording app people use that 
will record in m4A, or allow you to use the m4A format.
You guys gave me great suggestions, but I found a bug in rev recorder.  Today, 
I tried to record something, and with the screen locked, I found out that rev 
locks, and stops recording after 6 minutes.
I was wondering if anyone can please give me again what recording apps you use, 
and if you know of any that will let you lock the screen, and have the 
recording still be going?
Thanks for any help,
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Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!

[Richard Turner]

I spoke with the owner of the company this morning as this is a device our 
clients would love. When I asked her about LED lights on appliances, she said 
"if they are bright."
Her husband is the engineer that designed it for her. She only has light and 
dark perception. You touch it to the item you want to know the color of. I 
ordered one to try out and show to our clients.
Yes, it is $65, but the reviews say it is much more accurate than the Colorino 
which costs three times that much. Also, for those who care about these things, 
it is made in the United States.
It has a 1 year warrantee for repairs and a 4 month replacement policy, which 
to me, is rather generous for this kind of item. They will also do refunds if 
you decide you do not like it in the short term. I didn't ask how long that is, 
but most businesses will refund your money if you return it in 30 days.
Later,
Richard


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(Sent from my iPod 6)

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 10:08 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wonder, Peggy,
> seeing as you actually have one of these rainbow two devices, have you tried 
> it on appliances with LEDs? originally, I was looking for an app, and I'm 
> sure the iPhone could do this! but, while waiting, I could be interested in 
> one of these, always assuming I could buy one on the side of the pond. some 
> feedback as to how it does would be brilliant!
> Thanks, if you get the chance, send it.
> sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 23 Jun 2016, at 16:55, Kimber Gardner  wrote:
>> 
>> On the manufacturer's web site it says the following,
>> 
>> "The ability to read bright LEDs means indicators can now be read correctly."
>> 
>> So I'm guessing it may be used to do what Sandy is asking about.
>> 
>> Kimber
>> 
>>> On 6/23/16, pegkan...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> The rainbow II. Color reader is the most accurate one that I have ever used.
>>> When identifying the color pink most of them say read but this one actually
>>> says pink.
>>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, can you tell us about the rainbow two ??  How accurate is it?  I
 know that the Color Identifier in the app store is not very good as I have
 it and never use it.  I would be interested to hear of the Rainbow
 though.. Thanks so much, Andy and Shubert
 
 -Original Message- From: pegkan...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:04 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!
 
 
 Hi Sandra,
 I have an app that is called light detector I purchased it through the App
 Store.
 There is also something called the rainbow two which is I in Roman
 numerals color reader. My husband purchased this for me through Amazon in
 their excess ability section.
 If this information is not clear or I can be of further assistance please
 contact me.
 Peggy Kane
 This rainbow to color reader was designed by a blind engineer I believe.
 
 Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
 
 
> On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:46 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The sort of app I need these days is one that will, reliably, identify
> LED/indicator lights on appliances, plus their colour. For example, how
> many are lit up, if they are flashing, what colour they are and which
> would work as you hover above the lights, so you know which ones are
> being identified.
> 
> Does anyone know of such an app? I have absolutely no success with the
> 'light indicator" app, if that is what it is called.
> 
> I do feel that this should be possible. Afterall, we have colour
> identifiers, I used to have one, can't remember, now, what it was called,
> which identified the changing lights that I had set up, they were
> fibre-optics, and shifted through the spectrum, so it could identify lit
> up colours. I have not seen an app which will accurately, detect the
> number of leds lit up. But it does all seem, eminently, possible to me.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks, Sandy.
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
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bug in rev recorder, looking for another recording app.

[Chris Judd]

Hey all,
A few days ago, I posted a question about what recording app people use that 
will record in m4A, or allow you to use the m4A format.
You guys gave me great suggestions, but I found a bug in rev recorder.  Today, 
I tried to record something, and with the screen locked, I found out that rev 
locks, and stops recording after 6 minutes.
I was wondering if anyone can please give me again what recording apps you use, 
and if you know of any that will let you lock the screen, and have the 
recording still be going?
Thanks for any help,
Chris

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Hello All, 
I have an IPad 3rd gen that I am selling.  It is extra, and we don't need it 
any longer.  OS is updated to the latest update.  The IPad has 64 mb ram, and 
has broadband and Wi-Fi connectivity.  It comes with an otter box defender 
case.  There are also three charging cables.  The item ships in the original 
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Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

I wonder, Peggy,
seeing as you actually have one of these rainbow two devices, have you tried it 
on appliances with LEDs? originally, I was looking for an app, and I'm sure the 
iPhone could do this! but, while waiting, I could be interested in one of 
these, always assuming I could buy one on the side of the pond. some feedback 
as to how it does would be brilliant!
Thanks, if you get the chance, send it.
sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 23 Jun 2016, at 16:55, Kimber Gardner  wrote:
> 
> On the manufacturer's web site it says the following,
> 
> "The ability to read bright LEDs means indicators can now be read correctly."
> 
> So I'm guessing it may be used to do what Sandy is asking about.
> 
> Kimber
> 
>> On 6/23/16, pegkan...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> The rainbow II. Color reader is the most accurate one that I have ever used.
>> When identifying the color pink most of them say read but this one actually
>> says pink.
>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Hi, can you tell us about the rainbow two ??  How accurate is it?  I
>>> know that the Color Identifier in the app store is not very good as I have
>>> it and never use it.  I would be interested to hear of the Rainbow
>>> though.. Thanks so much, Andy and Shubert
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: pegkan...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:04 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Sandra,
>>> I have an app that is called light detector I purchased it through the App
>>> Store.
>>> There is also something called the rainbow two which is I in Roman
>>> numerals color reader. My husband purchased this for me through Amazon in
>>> their excess ability section.
>>> If this information is not clear or I can be of further assistance please
>>> contact me.
>>> Peggy Kane
>>> This rainbow to color reader was designed by a blind engineer I believe.
>>> 
>>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:46 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 The sort of app I need these days is one that will, reliably, identify
 LED/indicator lights on appliances, plus their colour. For example, how
 many are lit up, if they are flashing, what colour they are and which
 would work as you hover above the lights, so you know which ones are
 being identified.
 
  Does anyone know of such an app? I have absolutely no success with the
 'light indicator" app, if that is what it is called.
 
  I do feel that this should be possible. Afterall, we have colour
 identifiers, I used to have one, can't remember, now, what it was called,
 which identified the changing lights that I had set up, they were
 fibre-optics, and shifted through the spectrum, so it could identify lit
 up colours. I have not seen an app which will accurately, detect the
 number of leds lit up. But it does all seem, eminently, possible to me.
 
 Any ideas?
 
 Thanks, Sandy.
 
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Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?

[mário navarro]

yes friend. that's right.
when my iphone 4S die, I will buy one 5SE.
for now I use my iPad Mini2 with more power.
A7 processor.
the same as the iPhone 5S.
thanks.
cheers.

On 23/06/2016 13:52, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Yeah, good phone, and I say enjoy the moment while it lasts, because it sure 
won’t come back. I personally like my 5s and my next phone will be the SE, kind 
of already decided on that as personally prefer the smaller phones than say the 
6, 6+ and later. I still have a 4s though, although deactivated it can still be 
used on wi-fi, like an iPod Touch 5th Generation in this case. Speaking of 
which, I have the 6th generation and like that too. Long live the iOS devices, 
I say.

On 23 Jun 2016, at 12:11, mário navarro  wrote:




Yes, I still love my iPhone 4S and i will not buy other...

iPhone 4S still runs very well IOS 9 and for me serves me well ...
I know that I can no longer use the IOS 10, but I not miss anything ...
just hope apple now in the final updates in IOS 9 fixed   some bugs. so would 
be with IOS 9 more stable than it is for accessibility.
I would not sell my iPhone 4S to buy 5.
I really like this phone and I will use until he die.

long life to iphone 4S!
cheers.

On 22/06/2016 04:39, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

Well, I still find my 4S quite usable with IOS 9. I have a iPhone 5 from my 
employer, which is faster, but not so much faster that it makes my 4S unusable. 
Of course, I'm not comparing it to an iPhone 6 or anything.

On 21/06/16 10:55, rajmund wrote:

Hi,
It really is slow, even considering it against a 5S.  A friend wanted me
to help.  When I set it up as new, and turned on VO, at first, I thought
it wasn't going to turn on.  VO, that is.

Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?

I'm not sure who does do artificial deprecation of hardware, but I am
a bit disappointed that my 4S may no longer be supported.  I'm not
sure if there's something in the 4S that Apple no longer wants to code
support for or if it's because they don't want users to get a less
than great experience on an Apple device.  It may also be that they
want to save some money by not taking any support questions on the 4S
or by doing any regression testing on it.  I'd be willing to try IOS
10 on it to see how it performced if Apple would let me though. I'd
do this even if Apple told me it hadn't been tested and wouldn't be
supported and I was on my own giving it a try.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad I had the run I did on my 4S, but I
compare this to my netbook from 2009 that still running the latest
Linux or my laptop from 2011 that's also running the latest Linux but
also able to run Windows 10.

On 19/06/16 18:04, Devin Prater wrote:
Yep, and I think that shows that Apple doesn't do artificial
deprecation of hardware.
Sent from my Mac.

Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com > wrote:

My prediction, iOS 11 will work on the 5s and up.  iOS 12, 6 and up,
etc etc.  But Apple did surprise us last year when they announced all
devices running iOS 8 could run iOS 9.  So what I put here is only
speculation.
On 17 Jun 2016, at 02:43, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

At least maybe until iOS11 probably by September of 2018 when iOS12
comes out maybe it won't be supported anymore?

El 16/06/2016 03:28 p.m., Donna escribió:
Chris

Do you know how much longer the iPhone 5s will be supported? I'm
considering getting my soon to be teenager an iPhone 5s for
Christmas.  I don't want to purchase her a phone that will only be
supported for a short time.

Donna
Final update? For the iPhone 5? All we know is that the iPhone 4s
is due for its "final update" very soon, 9.3.3, before it will be
considered "obsolete".  Can't believe it has survived this far.
iPhone 5, however, will have at least one more year of software
support since iOS 10 will run on it and will be the oldest iPhone
to support this upcoming major release.
On 16 Jun 2016, at 19:54, Michael McKaymailto:mgmckay1...@gmail.com>>  wrote:

Hi folks: I am wondering if anyone knows when the final iOS
update is out for the iPhone 5.  I have been told that there is
one more major update coming out for the iPhone 5 and then there
would be no more, and then I would upgrade my phone to an iPhone
6 Plus, 6S plus or seven.  If someone could get back to me and let
me know about the iPhone 5 final update it would be appreciated.

Thanks much!
Michael G.  McKay BA, '05.
Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com >  wrote:

Confirmed here too.  Tried the link and got a "delivery faile

Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!

[Kimber Gardner]

On the manufacturer's web site it says the following,

"The ability to read bright LEDs means indicators can now be read correctly."

So I'm guessing it may be used to do what Sandy is asking about.

Kimber

On 6/23/16, pegkan...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
> Hi,
> The rainbow II. Color reader is the most accurate one that I have ever used.
> When identifying the color pink most of them say read but this one actually
> says pink.
> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>
>
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
>> wrote:
>>
>>   Hi, can you tell us about the rainbow two ??  How accurate is it?  I
>> know that the Color Identifier in the app store is not very good as I have
>> it and never use it.  I would be interested to hear of the Rainbow
>> though.. Thanks so much, Andy and Shubert
>>
>> -Original Message- From: pegkan...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!
>>
>>
>> Hi Sandra,
>> I have an app that is called light detector I purchased it through the App
>> Store.
>> There is also something called the rainbow two which is I in Roman
>> numerals color reader. My husband purchased this for me through Amazon in
>> their excess ability section.
>> If this information is not clear or I can be of further assistance please
>> contact me.
>> Peggy Kane
>> This rainbow to color reader was designed by a blind engineer I believe.
>>
>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:46 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The sort of app I need these days is one that will, reliably, identify
>>> LED/indicator lights on appliances, plus their colour. For example, how
>>> many are lit up, if they are flashing, what colour they are and which
>>> would work as you hover above the lights, so you know which ones are
>>> being identified.
>>>
>>>   Does anyone know of such an app? I have absolutely no success with the
>>> 'light indicator" app, if that is what it is called.
>>>
>>>   I do feel that this should be possible. Afterall, we have colour
>>> identifiers, I used to have one, can't remember, now, what it was called,
>>> which identified the changing lights that I had set up, they were
>>> fibre-optics, and shifted through the spectrum, so it could identify lit
>>> up colours. I have not seen an app which will accurately, detect the
>>> number of leds lit up. But it does all seem, eminently, possible to me.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Sandy.
>>>
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
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RE: The sort of light detector app I would like!

[Jeremy]

This rainbow II device is $65. 



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!

Here is the link to the manufacturer's web site for the Rainbow II.
The head of the company is visually impaired which is who it was originally 
designed for. The company I think only sells in the US, but Amazon has it for 
the same price.
http://edmondsonengineering.com/Rainbow-II-Color-Reader.php

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(Sent from my iPod 6)

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:45 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Peggy,
> Have you tried it with appliances, i.e., lit up lights et cetera?
> Thanks, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 23 Jun 2016, at 14:06, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I forgot to mention that the rainbow II. Color reader is quite small it can 
>> fit in the palm of your hand.
>> There is a little button on the color identifier that can be used to raise 
>> and lower the volume.
>> It also comes included with the keychain that you can put keys on. It can be 
>> carried in a pocket or purse if you need to.
>> 
>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 8:58 AM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> The rainbow II. Color reader is the most accurate one that I have ever 
>>> used. When identifying the color pink most of them say read but this one 
>>> actually says pink.
>>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
 wrote:
 
 Hi, can you tell us about the rainbow two ??  How accurate is it?  I know 
 that the Color Identifier in the app store is not very good as I have it 
 and never use it.  I would be interested to hear of the Rainbow though.. 
 Thanks so much, Andy and Shubert
 
 -Original Message- From: pegkan...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:04 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!
 
 
 Hi Sandra,
 I have an app that is called light detector I purchased it through the App 
 Store.
 There is also something called the rainbow two which is I in Roman 
 numerals color reader. My husband purchased this for me through Amazon in 
 their excess ability section.
 If this information is not clear or I can be of further assistance please 
 contact me.
 Peggy Kane
 This rainbow to color reader was designed by a blind engineer I believe.
 
 Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
 
 
> On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:46 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The sort of app I need these days is one that will, reliably, identify 
> LED/indicator lights on appliances, plus their colour. For example, how 
> many are lit up, if they are flashing, what colour they are and which 
> would work as you hover above the lights, so you know which ones are 
> being identified.
> 
> Does anyone know of such an app? I have absolutely no success with the 
> 'light indicator" app, if that is what it is called.
> 
> I do feel that this should be possible. Afterall, we have colour 
> identifiers, I used to have one, can't remember, now, what it was called, 
> which identified the changing lights that I had set up, they were 
> fibre-optics, and shifted through the spectrum, so it could identify lit 
> up colours. I have not seen an app which will accurately, detect the 
> number of leds lit up. But it does all seem, eminently, possible to me.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks, Sandy.
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
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Re: For Sale, Braille Pen 12. 1st gen.

[dollar031]

Hi Elizabeth,  I have a question for you.  Did you get a permision to ask about 
to sel an item on this list?  Just wondering about that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Elizabeth S Bowden  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have one of the Braille Pen 12 cell Braille displays for I-devices this is 
> the 1st generation unit, and does not have routing buttons.  Firmware has 
> been updated to the latest version.  It comes with the box and manual.  I can 
> also copy the newer firmware files on a cd.  Asking $300.00.  
> 
> If interested, contact me at: (850) 345-0822, or bowdenelizabe...@gmail.com
>  
>  
> 
>  
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For Sale, Braille Pen 12. 1st gen.

[Elizabeth S Bowden]

Hello All, 
I have one of the Braille Pen 12 cell Braille displays for I-devices this is
the 1st generation unit, and does not have routing buttons.  Firmware has
been updated to the latest version.  It comes with the box and manual.  I
can also copy the newer firmware files on a cd.  Asking $300.00.   
If interested, contact me at: (850) 345-0822, or bowdenelizabe...@gmail.com
 
 
 

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Re: eBook reader

[Anne Robertson]

Hello David,

In Kobo, you need the page transition to be set to None. Then, once you’ve 
opened a book, find the bottom righthand corner of the screen which should show 
the number of pages in the chapter. Double-tap on this and some other fields 
should appear to the left. One of them is Location in book, which really means 
location in chapter. Double-tapping the arrow field to the right of this takes 
you to the next chapter. Location in book is also where you can advance through 
the chapter should you have been interrupted and you want to find where you 
were. You swipe upward to advance through the pages, and double-tap to go to 
that position. Unfortunately, the position is expressed as a percentage of the 
way through the chapter, but having double-tapped on Location in book, the last 
field will show the page number in the chapter.
To go back a chapter, double-tap on the arrow field two to the left of Location 
in book. I have no idea what the field just to the left of Location in book 
does.
To make the toolbar containing iPhone Contents etc disappear, you need to 
double-tap twice somewhere in the middle of the screen, and you do the same 
thing to make it appear again. Sometimes, I have to turn VoiceOver off to get 
this to work.

Just ask me if you have any other questions as Kobo is probably the app I use 
most. I have over 400 books in my Kobo library so I have lots of experience 
with it.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 23 Jun 2016, at 12:18, David Renstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Anne,
>  
> Thanks for the tip. The Kobo app seems to be fairly accessible. Switching 
> between chapters seems a little bit troublesome though, at least in the book 
> previews I’ve tried. I seem to have to go back to the table of contents and 
> choose the next chapter. But I’ve only spent about 30 minutes with the app so 
> I’ll have to investigate further.
>  
> Thanks again,
> /David R.
> David Renström
> Synutveckling Skellefteå AB
> 0910-144 58, tonval 1
> da...@synutveckling.se 
> www.synutveckling.se 
>  
> Från: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] För Anne 
> Robertson
> Skickat: den 23 juni 2016 11:46
> Till: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Ämne: Re: eBook reader
>  
> Hello David,
>  
> Have you tried the Kobo app? I can assure you that it’s accessible and should 
> work with Adobe DRM content.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Anne
>  
>  
>  
> On 23 Jun 2016, at 11:26, David Renstrom  > wrote:
>  
> Hi Alan,
>  
> No, I’m sorry but the Adobe Digital Editions app is not fully accessible. I 
> tried it yesterday and the book content is not readable with VoiceOver. So 
> it’s similar to Bluefire.
>  
> Thanks,
> /David R.
> David Renström
> Synutveckling Skellefteå AB
> 0910-144 58, tonval 1
> da...@synutveckling.se 
> www.synutveckling.se 
>  
> Från: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] För Alan 
> Lemly
> Skickat: den 22 juni 2016 22:28
> Till: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Ämne: RE: eBook reader
>  
> David,
>  
> I have no experience regarding accessibility with VoiceOver of eReaders that 
> work with books requiring an Adobe ID but have you tried the Adobe Digital 
> Editions app? The Apps Store description says it works with Adobe DRM content 
> so I assume it will work with your books provided it is accessible.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of David Renstrom
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 4:33 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: eBook reader
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I would like to read eBooks which require an Adobe ID. The recommended app is 
> Bluefire. However, this app is not accessible, i.e. it’s not possible to read 
> the text itself even though most controls are usable. I’ve also tried Voice 
> Dream Reader but it doesn’t seem to support Adobe ID.
>  
> Has anyone got a tip for a eBook reader that works with VoiceOver?
>  
> Thanks,
> /David R.
> David Renström
> Synutveckling Skellefteå AB
> 0910-144 58, tonval 1
> da...@synutveckling.se 
> www.synutveckling.se 
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Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!

[Richard Turner]

Here is the link to the manufacturer's web site for the Rainbow II.
The head of the company is visually impaired which is who it was originally 
designed for. The company I think only sells in the US, but Amazon has it for 
the same price.
http://edmondsonengineering.com/Rainbow-II-Color-Reader.php

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are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor

(Sent from my iPod 6)

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:45 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Peggy,
> Have you tried it with appliances, i.e., lit up lights et cetera?
> Thanks, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 23 Jun 2016, at 14:06, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I forgot to mention that the rainbow II. Color reader is quite small it can 
>> fit in the palm of your hand.
>> There is a little button on the color identifier that can be used to raise 
>> and lower the volume.
>> It also comes included with the keychain that you can put keys on. It can be 
>> carried in a pocket or purse if you need to.
>> 
>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 8:58 AM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> The rainbow II. Color reader is the most accurate one that I have ever 
>>> used. When identifying the color pink most of them say read but this one 
>>> actually says pink.
>>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
 wrote:
 
 Hi, can you tell us about the rainbow two ??  How accurate is it?  I know 
 that the Color Identifier in the app store is not very good as I have it 
 and never use it.  I would be interested to hear of the Rainbow though.. 
 Thanks so much, Andy and Shubert
 
 -Original Message- From: pegkan...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:04 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!
 
 
 Hi Sandra,
 I have an app that is called light detector I purchased it through the App 
 Store.
 There is also something called the rainbow two which is I in Roman 
 numerals color reader. My husband purchased this for me through Amazon in 
 their excess ability section.
 If this information is not clear or I can be of further assistance please 
 contact me.
 Peggy Kane
 This rainbow to color reader was designed by a blind engineer I believe.
 
 Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
 
 
> On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:46 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The sort of app I need these days is one that will, reliably, identify 
> LED/indicator lights on appliances, plus their colour. For example, how 
> many are lit up, if they are flashing, what colour they are and which 
> would work as you hover above the lights, so you know which ones are 
> being identified.
> 
> Does anyone know of such an app? I have absolutely no success with the 
> 'light indicator" app, if that is what it is called.
> 
> I do feel that this should be possible. Afterall, we have colour 
> identifiers, I used to have one, can't remember, now, what it was called, 
> which identified the changing lights that I had set up, they were 
> fibre-optics, and shifted through the spectrum, so it could identify lit 
> up colours. I have not seen an app which will accurately, detect the 
> number of leds lit up. But it does all seem, eminently, possible to me.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks, Sandy.
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
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FS Ipad

[Elizabeth S Bowden]

Hello All, 
I have an IPad 3rd gen that I am selling.  It is extra, and we don't need it
any longer.  OS is updated to the latest update.  The IPad has 64 mb ram,
and has broadband and Wi-Fi connectivity.  It comes with an otter box
defender case.  There are also three charging cables.  The item ships in the
original box.  I am asking $300.00.  If interested, contact me at: (850)
345-0822, or email bowdenelizabe...@gmail.com
 
Thanks
 
 

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RE: VO and Tripple Click Home Questions

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, but that is meant for blind users to access something that may not 
otherwise work with a typical Voiceover gesture.
It does not allow sighted users to use the phone when Voiceover is running as 
if it were not running. The pass-through gesture itself is something sighted 
people wouldn't know about and for somebody who is not technically inclined it 
would be much easier to tell them to bring up SIRI and ask it to turn Voiceover 
off. If the accessibility shortcut is enabled and Donnie's Mom accidently 
triple presses the home button and turns on Voiceover then after Voiceover is 
turned off using SIRI it would be relatively easy to tell her to tap on 
Settings, then General then Accessibility and to then slide a finger up the 
screen to scroll down and to tap on the Accessibility Shortcut button to 
unselect Voiceover.


Regards,
Sieghard



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 6:03 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: VO and Tripple Click Home Questions

You don’t have to do that; there is a bypass gesture. It is the one finger 
double tap and hold.
> On 23 Jun 2016, at 08:49, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Go into settings, general, accessibility,  and accessibility shortcuts 
> is the last one in the list. Unselect voice over
> 
> To my knowledge, there is no pass through gesture for letting normal gestures 
> bypass voice over.  You have to turn voice over off to use normal gestures.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Dani Pagador" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 2:58 AM
> Subject: VO and Tripple Click Home Questions
> 
> 
>> Hi, Everyone.
>> I need to turn VO off on my Mom's iPhone. I know that I can do this 
>> with either Settings or Siri.
>> 
>> But I enabled the triple click home shortcut to turn VO on/off for 
>> myself when I need to help her with stuff. (Didn't know at the time I 
>> had the option to use Siri to do that.)
>> 
>> What if I don't want to be able to use triple click home? Can I 
>> disable it? (My Mom isn't the most tech savvy, dexterous iPhone user, 
>> and it's be easiest to not have to try to figure out what she did 
>> inadvertently to make X or Y feature turn on/off.) I mean, the 
>> feature is turned off by default, so is there a way to turn it off 
>> once it's been enabled?
>> 
>> And ... is there a pass-through gesture that lets the VO user use 
>> non-VO gestures while VO is on? I'm thinking that if there is such a 
>> thing, I may be able to talk my Mom through turning VO off without 
>> having her deal with VO gestures.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Dani
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Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Peggy,
Have you tried it with appliances, i.e., lit up lights et cetera?
Thanks, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 23 Jun 2016, at 14:06, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> I forgot to mention that the rainbow II. Color reader is quite small it can 
> fit in the palm of your hand.
> There is a little button on the color identifier that can be used to raise 
> and lower the volume.
> It also comes included with the keychain that you can put keys on. It can be 
> carried in a pocket or purse if you need to.
> 
> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 8:58 AM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> The rainbow II. Color reader is the most accurate one that I have ever used. 
>> When identifying the color pink most of them say read but this one actually 
>> says pink.
>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, can you tell us about the rainbow two ??  How accurate is it?  I know 
>>> that the Color Identifier in the app store is not very good as I have it 
>>> and never use it.  I would be interested to hear of the Rainbow though.. 
>>> Thanks so much, Andy and Shubert
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: pegkan...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:04 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Sandra,
>>> I have an app that is called light detector I purchased it through the App 
>>> Store.
>>> There is also something called the rainbow two which is I in Roman numerals 
>>> color reader. My husband purchased this for me through Amazon in their 
>>> excess ability section.
>>> If this information is not clear or I can be of further assistance please 
>>> contact me.
>>> Peggy Kane
>>> This rainbow to color reader was designed by a blind engineer I believe.
>>> 
>>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:46 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 The sort of app I need these days is one that will, reliably, identify 
 LED/indicator lights on appliances, plus their colour. For example, how 
 many are lit up, if they are flashing, what colour they are and which 
 would work as you hover above the lights, so you know which ones are being 
 identified.
 
 Does anyone know of such an app? I have absolutely no success with the 
 'light indicator" app, if that is what it is called.
 
 I do feel that this should be possible. Afterall, we have colour 
 identifiers, I used to have one, can't remember, now, what it was called, 
 which identified the changing lights that I had set up, they were 
 fibre-optics, and shifted through the spectrum, so it could identify lit 
 up colours. I have not seen an app which will accurately, detect the 
 number of leds lit up. But it does all seem, eminently, possible to me.
 
 Any ideas?
 
 Thanks, Sandy.
 
 sent from the dark side of the moon
 
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Re: eBook reader

[Russ Kiehne]

   Or use codex to convert it to a format of your liking?

From: Anne Robertson 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: eBook reader

You could try Kobo. Kobo books are readable with Adobe Digital Editions on the 
Mac. Kobo is actually my favourite ebook reader on the iPhone.

Cheers,

Anne



  On 22 Jun 2016, at 11:33, David Renstrom  
wrote:

  Hi,
   
  I would like to read eBooks which require an Adobe ID. The recommended app is 
Bluefire. However, this app is not accessible, i.e. it’s not possible to read 
the text itself even though most controls are usable. I’ve also tried Voice 
Dream Reader but it doesn’t seem to support Adobe ID.
   
  Has anyone got a tip for a eBook reader that works with VoiceOver?
   
  Thanks,
  /David R.
  David Renström
  Synutveckling Skellefteå AB
  0910-144 58, tonval 1
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Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?

[rajmund]

Hi,
I also got the SE as my next phone, but I'm hoping will see a 
mini 7, or a smaller, and newer SE by the time, in which case, 
I'll be taking that one.


Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: christopher hallsworth Yeah, good phone, and I say enjoy the moment while it lasts, 
because it sure won't come back.  I personally like my 5s and my 
next phone will be the SE, kind of already decided on that as 
personally prefer the smaller phones than say the 6, 6+ and 
later.  I still have a 4s though, although deactivated it can 
still be used on wi-fi, like an iPod Touch 5th Generation in this 
case.  Speaking of which, I have the 6th generation and like that 
too..  Long live the iOS devices, I say.
On 23 Jun 2016, at 12:11, mário navarro  
wrote:





Yes, I still love my iPhone 4S and i will not buy other...

iPhone 4S still runs very well IOS 9 and for me serves me well 
..
   I know that I can no longer use the IOS 10, but I not miss 
anything 
just hope apple now in the final updates in IOS 9 fixed   some 
bugs.  so would be with IOS 9 more stable than it is for 
accessibility.

I would not sell my iPhone 4S to buy 5.
I really like this phone and I will use until he die.

long life to iphone 4S!
cheers.

On 22/06/2016 04:39, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
Well, I still find my 4S quite usable with IOS 9.  I have a 
iPhone 5 from my employer, which is faster, but not so much 
faster that it makes my 4S unusable.  Of course, I'm not 
comparing it to an iPhone 6 or anything.


On 21/06/16 10:55, rajmund wrote:
Hi,
It really is slow, even considering it against a 5S.  A friend 
wanted me
to help.  When I set it up as new, and turned on VO, at first, I 
thought

it wasn't going to turn on.  VO, that is.

Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" My 4S is still going.  I used it as my primary phone for more 
than three
years and still use it for music, now and again, and play around 
with
apps sometimes.  It's quite slow now, bearing in mind I have a 
6S, but

its battery hasn't given up yet.


Carol P



On 20/06/2016 15:54, rajmund wrote:
Hi,
I heard  roomers that it can be done with the 4S, but not with 
later

model.

Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel I think it's more the experience Apple wants users to have.  
Yes, they
could probably disable features the 4S may have problems with 
like,
for example, the face and object recognition on pictures.  They 
said
that iOS does 11 Billion computations on a single picture and it 
is
all done on device so it's not that powerful servers in the 
cloud do
the work and just provide the results back to the device.  But I 
guess
if many of the new and advanced features of iOS 10 would be 
disabled

on a 4S there may just not be that much reason to support it.
Considering that the 4S is now 5 years old, I also assume that 
as a
percentage of iPhones out there not that many of them are 4S 
phones
any more.  Anyhow, I guess Apple has to draw the line somewhere, 
if
they support the 4S others may say then why not support the 4.  
I
actually think it's amazing they have supported the 4S for this 
long,
the 4S came with iOS 5 so it was able to run 4 more versions of 
iOS
after the one it came out with, show me another mobile phone 
that had
this kind of support.  Anyhow, iOS 9 is pretty good and people 
who
still have a 4S that runs good can still run it with iOS 9 for 
years
to come I assume although they may have to replace the battery 
since I
doubt that a 4S that was bought in 2011 still holds a charge for 
that
long.  I have a friend who bought a 3GS in 2009 and he used it 
until
he bought a 5S in 2013, so for 4 years, and while he of course 
wanted
the newer faster phone, he also said that he only got a few 
hours of
use out of the phone at that point.  A friend in Germany said 
her son

just bought a fairly inexpensive battery kit which came with the
special screwdriver which iks required to open the iPhone and
instructions and he would able to replace the battery on his 
iPhone
(can't remember the model) himself, but I would say most people 
can't

or would not do this.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On

Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?

I'm not sure who does do artificial deprecation of hardware, but 
I am
a bit disappointed that my 4S may no longer be supported.  I'm 
not
sure if there's something in the 4S that Apple no longer wants 
to code
support for or if it's because they don't want users to get a 
less
than great experience on an Apple device.  It may also be that 
they
want to save some money by not taking any support questions on 
the 4S
or by doing any regression testing on it.  I'd be willing to try 
IOS
10 on it to see how it performced if Appl

Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

   Hi, thank you for this information.  You said that your husband got it 
from Amazon?  Andy


-Original Message- 
From: pegkan...@gmail.com

Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 9:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!


Hi,
I forgot to mention that the rainbow II. Color reader is quite small it can 
fit in the palm of your hand.
There is a little button on the color identifier that can be used to raise 
and lower the volume.
It also comes included with the keychain that you can put keys on. It can be 
carried in a pocket or purse if you need to.


Peggy Sent from my IPhone.



On Jun 23, 2016, at 8:58 AM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,
The rainbow II. Color reader is the most accurate one that I have ever 
used. When identifying the color pink most of them say read but this one 
actually says pink.

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
wrote:


 Hi, can you tell us about the rainbow two ??  How accurate is it?  I 
know that the Color Identifier in the app store is not very good as I 
have it and never use it.  I would be interested to hear of the Rainbow 
though.. Thanks so much, Andy and Shubert


-Original Message- From: pegkan...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!


Hi Sandra,
I have an app that is called light detector I purchased it through the 
App Store.
There is also something called the rainbow two which is I in Roman 
numerals color reader. My husband purchased this for me through Amazon in 
their excess ability section.
If this information is not clear or I can be of further assistance please 
contact me.

Peggy Kane
This rainbow to color reader was designed by a blind engineer I believe.

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:46 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


Hi,

The sort of app I need these days is one that will, reliably, identify 
LED/indicator lights on appliances, plus their colour. For example, how 
many are lit up, if they are flashing, what colour they are and which 
would work as you hover above the lights, so you know which ones are 
being identified.


 Does anyone know of such an app? I have absolutely no success with the 
'light indicator" app, if that is what it is called.


 I do feel that this should be possible. Afterall, we have colour 
identifiers, I used to have one, can't remember, now, what it was 
called, which identified the changing lights that I had set up, they 
were fibre-optics, and shifted through the spectrum, so it could 
identify lit up colours. I have not seen an app which will accurately, 
detect the number of leds lit up. But it does all seem, eminently, 
possible to me.


Any ideas?

Thanks, Sandy.

sent from the dark side of the moon

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Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!

[pegkane52]

Hi,
I forgot to mention that the rainbow II. Color reader is quite small it can fit 
in the palm of your hand.
There is a little button on the color identifier that can be used to raise and 
lower the volume.
It also comes included with the keychain that you can put keys on. It can be 
carried in a pocket or purse if you need to.

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On Jun 23, 2016, at 8:58 AM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> The rainbow II. Color reader is the most accurate one that I have ever used. 
> When identifying the color pink most of them say read but this one actually 
> says pink.
> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi, can you tell us about the rainbow two ??  How accurate is it?  I know 
>> that the Color Identifier in the app store is not very good as I have it and 
>> never use it.  I would be interested to hear of the Rainbow though.. Thanks 
>> so much, Andy and Shubert
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: pegkan...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Sandra,
>> I have an app that is called light detector I purchased it through the App 
>> Store.
>> There is also something called the rainbow two which is I in Roman numerals 
>> color reader. My husband purchased this for me through Amazon in their 
>> excess ability section.
>> If this information is not clear or I can be of further assistance please 
>> contact me.
>> Peggy Kane
>> This rainbow to color reader was designed by a blind engineer I believe.
>> 
>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:46 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The sort of app I need these days is one that will, reliably, identify 
>>> LED/indicator lights on appliances, plus their colour. For example, how 
>>> many are lit up, if they are flashing, what colour they are and which would 
>>> work as you hover above the lights, so you know which ones are being 
>>> identified.
>>> 
>>>  Does anyone know of such an app? I have absolutely no success with the 
>>> 'light indicator" app, if that is what it is called.
>>> 
>>>  I do feel that this should be possible. Afterall, we have colour 
>>> identifiers, I used to have one, can't remember, now, what it was called, 
>>> which identified the changing lights that I had set up, they were 
>>> fibre-optics, and shifted through the spectrum, so it could identify lit up 
>>> colours. I have not seen an app which will accurately, detect the number of 
>>> leds lit up. But it does all seem, eminently, possible to me.
>>> 
>>> Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Sandy.
>>> 
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
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Re: VO and Tripple Click Home Questions

[christopher hallsworth]

You don’t have to do that; there is a bypass gesture. It is the one finger 
double tap and hold.
> On 23 Jun 2016, at 08:49, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Go into settings, general, accessibility,  and accessibility shortcuts is the 
> last one in the list. Unselect voice over
> 
> To my knowledge, there is no pass through gesture for letting normal gestures 
> bypass voice over.  You have to turn voice over off to use normal gestures.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Dani Pagador" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 2:58 AM
> Subject: VO and Tripple Click Home Questions
> 
> 
>> Hi, Everyone.
>> I need to turn VO off on my Mom's iPhone. I know that I can do this
>> with either Settings or Siri.
>> 
>> But I enabled the triple click home shortcut to turn VO on/off for
>> myself when I need to help her with stuff. (Didn't know at the time I
>> had the option to use Siri to do that.)
>> 
>> What if I don't want to be able to use triple click home? Can I
>> disable it? (My Mom isn't the most tech savvy, dexterous iPhone user,
>> and it's be easiest to not have to try to figure out what she did
>> inadvertently to make X or Y feature turn on/off.) I mean, the feature
>> is turned off by default, so is there a way to turn it off once it's
>> been enabled?
>> 
>> And ... is there a pass-through gesture that lets the VO user use
>> non-VO gestures while VO is on? I'm thinking that if there is such a
>> thing, I may be able to talk my Mom through turning VO off without
>> having her deal with VO gestures.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Dani
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Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!

[pegkane52]

Hi,
The rainbow II. Color reader is the most accurate one that I have ever used. 
When identifying the color pink most of them say read but this one actually 
says pink.
Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On Jun 23, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
> wrote:
> 
>   Hi, can you tell us about the rainbow two ??  How accurate is it?  I know 
> that the Color Identifier in the app store is not very good as I have it and 
> never use it.  I would be interested to hear of the Rainbow though.. Thanks 
> so much, Andy and Shubert
> 
> -Original Message- From: pegkan...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!
> 
> 
> Hi Sandra,
> I have an app that is called light detector I purchased it through the App 
> Store.
> There is also something called the rainbow two which is I in Roman numerals 
> color reader. My husband purchased this for me through Amazon in their excess 
> ability section.
> If this information is not clear or I can be of further assistance please 
> contact me.
> Peggy Kane
> This rainbow to color reader was designed by a blind engineer I believe.
> 
> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:46 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The sort of app I need these days is one that will, reliably, identify 
>> LED/indicator lights on appliances, plus their colour. For example, how many 
>> are lit up, if they are flashing, what colour they are and which would work 
>> as you hover above the lights, so you know which ones are being identified.
>> 
>>   Does anyone know of such an app? I have absolutely no success with the 
>> 'light indicator" app, if that is what it is called.
>> 
>>   I do feel that this should be possible. Afterall, we have colour 
>> identifiers, I used to have one, can't remember, now, what it was called, 
>> which identified the changing lights that I had set up, they were 
>> fibre-optics, and shifted through the spectrum, so it could identify lit up 
>> colours. I have not seen an app which will accurately, detect the number of 
>> leds lit up. But it does all seem, eminently, possible to me.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> Thanks, Sandy.
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
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Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?

[christopher hallsworth]

Yeah, good phone, and I say enjoy the moment while it lasts, because it sure 
won’t come back. I personally like my 5s and my next phone will be the SE, kind 
of already decided on that as personally prefer the smaller phones than say the 
6, 6+ and later. I still have a 4s though, although deactivated it can still be 
used on wi-fi, like an iPod Touch 5th Generation in this case. Speaking of 
which, I have the 6th generation and like that too. Long live the iOS devices, 
I say.
> On 23 Jun 2016, at 12:11, mário navarro  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, I still love my iPhone 4S and i will not buy other...
> 
> iPhone 4S still runs very well IOS 9 and for me serves me well ...
>I know that I can no longer use the IOS 10, but I not miss anything ...
> just hope apple now in the final updates in IOS 9 fixed   some bugs. so would 
> be with IOS 9 more stable than it is for accessibility.
> I would not sell my iPhone 4S to buy 5.
> I really like this phone and I will use until he die.
> 
> long life to iphone 4S!
> cheers.
> 
> On 22/06/2016 04:39, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>> Well, I still find my 4S quite usable with IOS 9. I have a iPhone 5 from my 
>> employer, which is faster, but not so much faster that it makes my 4S 
>> unusable. Of course, I'm not comparing it to an iPhone 6 or anything.
>> 
>> On 21/06/16 10:55, rajmund wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> It really is slow, even considering it against a 5S.  A friend wanted me
>>> to help.  When I set it up as new, and turned on VO, at first, I thought
>>> it wasn't going to turn on.  VO, that is.
>>> 
>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Date sent: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 16:47:49 +0100
>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?
>>> 
>>> My 4S is still going.  I used it as my primary phone for more than three
>>> years and still use it for music, now and again, and play around with
>>> apps sometimes.  It's quite slow now, bearing in mind I have a 6S, but
>>> its battery hasn't given up yet.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Carol P
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 20/06/2016 15:54, rajmund wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I heard  roomers that it can be done with the 4S, but not with later
>>> model.
>>> 
>>> Sent from a BrailleNote
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Sieghard Weitzel >> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" >> Date sent: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 13:47:42 +
>>> Subject: RE: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?
>>> 
>>> I think it's more the experience Apple wants users to have. Yes, they
>>> could probably disable features the 4S may have problems with like,
>>> for example, the face and object recognition on pictures.  They said
>>> that iOS does 11 Billion computations on a single picture and it is
>>> all done on device so it's not that powerful servers in the cloud do
>>> the work and just provide the results back to the device.  But I guess
>>> if many of the new and advanced features of iOS 10 would be disabled
>>> on a 4S there may just not be that much reason to support it.
>>> Considering that the 4S is now 5 years old, I also assume that as a
>>> percentage of iPhones out there not that many of them are 4S phones
>>> any more.  Anyhow, I guess Apple has to draw the line somewhere, if
>>> they support the 4S others may say then why not support the 4. I
>>> actually think it's amazing they have supported the 4S for this long,
>>> the 4S came with iOS 5 so it was able to run 4 more versions of iOS
>>> after the one it came out with, show me another mobile phone that had
>>> this kind of support.  Anyhow, iOS 9 is pretty good and people who
>>> still have a 4S that runs good can still run it with iOS 9 for years
>>> to come I assume although they may have to replace the battery since I
>>> doubt that a 4S that was bought in 2011 still holds a charge for that
>>> long.  I have a friend who bought a 3GS in 2009 and he used it until
>>> he bought a 5S in 2013, so for 4 years, and while he of course wanted
>>> the newer faster phone, he also said that he only got a few hours of
>>> use out of the phone at that point.  A friend in Germany said her son
>>> just bought a fairly inexpensive battery kit which came with the
>>> special screwdriver which iks required to open the iPhone and
>>> instructions and he would able to replace the battery on his iPhone
>>> (can't remember the model) himself, but I would say most people can't
>>> or would not do this.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:30 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure who does do artificial deprecation of hardware, but I am
>>> a bit disappointed that my 4S may no longer be supported.  I'm not
>>> sure if there's something in the 4S that Apple no longer wants to code
>>> suppo

Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

   Hi, can you tell us about the rainbow two ??  How accurate is it?  I 
know that the Color Identifier in the app store is not very good as I have 
it and never use it.  I would be interested to hear of the Rainbow though.. 
Thanks so much, Andy and Shubert


-Original Message- 
From: pegkan...@gmail.com

Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!


Hi Sandra,
I have an app that is called light detector I purchased it through the App 
Store.
There is also something called the rainbow two which is I in Roman numerals 
color reader. My husband purchased this for me through Amazon in their 
excess ability section.
If this information is not clear or I can be of further assistance please 
contact me.

Peggy Kane
This rainbow to color reader was designed by a blind engineer I believe.

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:46 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


Hi,

The sort of app I need these days is one that will, reliably, identify 
LED/indicator lights on appliances, plus their colour. For example, how 
many are lit up, if they are flashing, what colour they are and which 
would work as you hover above the lights, so you know which ones are being 
identified.


   Does anyone know of such an app? I have absolutely no success with the 
'light indicator" app, if that is what it is called.


   I do feel that this should be possible. Afterall, we have colour 
identifiers, I used to have one, can't remember, now, what it was called, 
which identified the changing lights that I had set up, they were 
fibre-optics, and shifted through the spectrum, so it could identify lit 
up colours. I have not seen an app which will accurately, detect the 
number of leds lit up. But it does all seem, eminently, possible to me.


Any ideas?

Thanks, Sandy.

sent from the dark side of the moon

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Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?

[mário navarro]

Yes, I still love my iPhone 4S and i will not buy other...

iPhone 4S still runs very well IOS 9 and for me serves me well ...
I know that I can no longer use the IOS 10, but I not miss anything ...
just hope apple now in the final updates in IOS 9 fixed   some bugs. so 
would be with IOS 9 more stable than it is for accessibility.

I would not sell my iPhone 4S to buy 5.
I really like this phone and I will use until he die.

long life to iphone 4S!
cheers.

On 22/06/2016 04:39, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
Well, I still find my 4S quite usable with IOS 9. I have a iPhone 5 
from my employer, which is faster, but not so much faster that it 
makes my 4S unusable. Of course, I'm not comparing it to an iPhone 6 
or anything.


On 21/06/16 10:55, rajmund wrote:

Hi,
It really is slow, even considering it against a 5S.  A friend wanted me
to help.  When I set it up as new, and turned on VO, at first, I thought
it wasn't going to turn on.  VO, that is.

Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?

I'm not sure who does do artificial deprecation of hardware, but I am
a bit disappointed that my 4S may no longer be supported.  I'm not
sure if there's something in the 4S that Apple no longer wants to code
support for or if it's because they don't want users to get a less
than great experience on an Apple device.  It may also be that they
want to save some money by not taking any support questions on the 4S
or by doing any regression testing on it.  I'd be willing to try IOS
10 on it to see how it performced if Apple would let me though. I'd
do this even if Apple told me it hadn't been tested and wouldn't be
supported and I was on my own giving it a try.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad I had the run I did on my 4S, but I
compare this to my netbook from 2009 that still running the latest
Linux or my laptop from 2011 that's also running the latest Linux but
also able to run Windows 10.

On 19/06/16 18:04, Devin Prater wrote:
Yep, and I think that shows that Apple doesn't do artificial
deprecation of hardware.
Sent from my Mac.

Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com > wrote:

My prediction, iOS 11 will work on the 5s and up.  iOS 12, 6 and up,
etc etc.  But Apple did surprise us last year when they announced all
devices running iOS 8 could run iOS 9.  So what I put here is only
speculation.
On 17 Jun 2016, at 02:43, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

At least maybe until iOS11 probably by September of 2018 when iOS12
comes out maybe it won't be supported anymore?

El 16/06/2016 03:28 p.m., Donna escribió:
Chris

Do you know how much longer the iPhone 5s will be supported? I'm
considering getting my soon to be teenager an iPhone 5s for
Christmas.  I don't want to purchase her a phone that will only be
supported for a short time.

Donna
Final update? For the iPhone 5? All we know is that the iPhone 4s
is due for its "final update" very soon, 9.3.3, before it will be
considered "obsolete".  Can't believe it has survived this far.
iPhone 5, however, will have at least one more year of software
support since iOS 10 will run on it and will be the oldest iPhone
to support this upcoming major release.
On 16 Jun 2016, at 19:54, Michael McKaymailto:mgmckay1...@gmail.com>>  wrote:

Hi folks: I am wondering if anyone knows when the final iOS
update is out for the iPhone 5.  I have been told that there is
one more major update coming out for the iPhone 5 and then there
would be no more, and then I would upgrade my phone to an iPhone
6 Plus, 6S plus or seven.  If someone could get back to me and let
me know about the iPhone 5 final update it would be appreciated.

Thanks much!
Michael G.  McKay BA, '05.
Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com >  wrote:

Confirmed here too.  Tried the link and got a "delivery failed"
notice here too.
/Krister

16 juni 2016 kl.  19:37 skrev Michael G
McKaymailto:mgmckay1...@gmail.com>>:

Hi! Mr.  Mosen:

I just tried to subscribe to the email group you mentioned.  And
it returned saying that the delivery failed permanently.  I used
the subscribe link you provided for the list.

Assistance would be very much appreciated.

Thanks much in advance.

Michael G.  McKay BA, '05.
Email: mgmckay1...@gmail.com 

Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!

[pegkane52]

Hi Sandra,
I have an app that is called light detector I purchased it through the App 
Store.
There is also something called the rainbow two which is I in Roman numerals 
color reader. My husband purchased this for me through Amazon in their excess 
ability section.
If this information is not clear or I can be of further assistance please 
contact me.
Peggy Kane
This rainbow to color reader was designed by a blind engineer I believe.

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On Jun 23, 2016, at 6:46 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The sort of app I need these days is one that will, reliably, identify 
> LED/indicator lights on appliances, plus their colour. For example, how many 
> are lit up, if they are flashing, what colour they are and which would work 
> as you hover above the lights, so you know which ones are being identified.
> 
>Does anyone know of such an app? I have absolutely no success with the 
> 'light indicator" app, if that is what it is called.
> 
>I do feel that this should be possible. Afterall, we have colour 
> identifiers, I used to have one, can't remember, now, what it was called, 
> which identified the changing lights that I had set up, they were 
> fibre-optics, and shifted through the spectrum, so it could identify lit up 
> colours. I have not seen an app which will accurately, detect the number of 
> leds lit up. But it does all seem, eminently, possible to me.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks, Sandy. 
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
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Re: The sort of light detector app I would like!

[Krister Ekstrom]

I’m sorry i can’t help you with this, but i also want to know if such an app 
exists. Would come in handy when looking at my coffee machine to see if it 
needs maintenance and such things.
/Krister

> 23 juni 2016 kl. 12:46 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The sort of app I need these days is one that will, reliably, identify 
> LED/indicator lights on appliances, plus their colour. For example, how many 
> are lit up, if they are flashing, what colour they are and which would work 
> as you hover above the lights, so you know which ones are being identified.
> 
>Does anyone know of such an app? I have absolutely no success with the 
> 'light indicator" app, if that is what it is called.
> 
>I do feel that this should be possible. Afterall, we have colour 
> identifiers, I used to have one, can't remember, now, what it was called, 
> which identified the changing lights that I had set up, they were 
> fibre-optics, and shifted through the spectrum, so it could identify lit up 
> colours. I have not seen an app which will accurately, detect the number of 
> leds lit up. But it does all seem, eminently, possible to me.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks, Sandy. 
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
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The sort of light detector app I would like!

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

The sort of app I need these days is one that will, reliably, identify 
LED/indicator lights on appliances, plus their colour. For example, how many 
are lit up, if they are flashing, what colour they are and which would work as 
you hover above the lights, so you know which ones are being identified.

Does anyone know of such an app? I have absolutely no success with the 
'light indicator" app, if that is what it is called.

I do feel that this should be possible. Afterall, we have colour 
identifiers, I used to have one, can't remember, now, what it was called, which 
identified the changing lights that I had set up, they were fibre-optics, and 
shifted through the spectrum, so it could identify lit up colours. I have not 
seen an app which will accurately, detect the number of leds lit up. But it 
does all seem, eminently, possible to me.

Any ideas?

Thanks, Sandy. 

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Re: Small update on the BotVac app accessibility.

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi,

Yes! Pressing the 'home" button for 15 seconds works for me. Because we 
turn our wifi off at night, I do have to do this each morning, to get the Vac 
online. If I don't turn the wifi off, then the vac stays connected. Sometimes, 
the app reports "off line" eroniously, and it is suggested that you should 
close the app from the app switcher and restart it. Plus, remember, it will 
depend upon your wifi strength, the vac may take up to 3 minutes to connect. 

The main thing is this: we do need sighted help to initially enable wifi, 
by way of the menu system on the Bot itself. However, once this is done, it 
shouldn't need doing again, if the Bot is off line, then the long, 15 second, 
press of the home button will reset it and ti should find the wifi.

To date, the only thing I cannot access with the app is the battery status. 
This does show up on the app, but it is an image, with indicator bars, I think. 
So, no writing, nothing to VO to read. I tried a screen-shot with KNFB Reader, 
but it couldn't do anything with it, as there are no letters or numbers. I have 
contacted the Neato support, at the moment, they say it is a Voice-Over issue. 
I am trying to talk with their app developers to get them to look at it, but no 
success as yet. Perhaps, if others who use this vacuum, could raise the issue 
too, we might get somewhere. Not knowing the battery status is not so important 
as the vac takes itself back to the dock when it needs to, but, on rare 
occasions, I have to put the vac on the dock by hand and I am never sure if it 
has engaged properly. So, I would love to be able to check on battery status 
and if it is charging.

Apart from this little niggle, I am finding the BotVac to be an excellent 
cleaner. Try not to watch it too much, your very presence will affect its 
mapping. Best, by far, to let it do its own thing!! Sometimes it seems to be 
missing something, as if it has forgotten, but, I find, it does, generally, go 
back and complete its task. It is brilliant at returning to the place it 
started, even, upstairs, where the dock is not, it returns exactly where I 
started it. So, easy to find. 

Lastly, often, when I start the app, I may see "off line", but, if I reread 
the screen, that status is changed to "ready to clean".

Hope you enjoy your new toy and don't have too many problems!!

Sandy. 

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 23 Jun 2016, at 01:25, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>  wrote:
> 
> Try holding down the Home button for 15 seconds. This is the button along the 
> top edge of the device, near the border of the flat edge. It's the button on 
> the right when looking from the front flat edge. That may help reconnect to 
> your WiFi. Keith
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> bpabbo...@gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 7:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Small update on the BotVac app accessibility.
> 
> just got the vac connected to wifi today  and it started cleaning the house. 
> At first it was a little confused having difficulty with the dining room 
> table and finally ran out of juice and went back to its charger.
> 
> However surprisingly it is now vacuuming again and vacuuming in different 
> parts of the house that it missed before.
> 
> One problem I have is that the vacuum is now off-line and I don't think 
> there's anyway for us to get it back online until we have cited help we 
> purchased it in Canada at baths and beyond for around $899 which was $100 
> cheaper than Amazon
> 
> Sent from Bäry Abbott's  iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2016, at 12:17 AM, Robert Doc Wright  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks. Bissle has one on QVC. I'm hoping it goes under their easy pay soon.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 6:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: Small update on the BotVac app accessibility.
>> 
>> 
>> hi Robert,
>> if you are in America, people seem to be finding the best deal is from 
>> "Best Buy". it is expensive though, about $600!
>> 
>> good luck,
>> Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 16 Jun 2016, at 11:32, Robert Doc Wright 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Where did you find this vaccuum and how much is it?
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:14 AM
>>> Subject: Small update on the BotVac app accessibility.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>>  After a little panic on my part, i now find I can use the app a 
>>> little better! i just managed to change Turbo to Eco. I just did a 
>>> spot clean, when it cleans an area, either 2 meters x 2 meters or 4 
>>> meters x 4 meters. Then it returns to base. I did this by just 
>>> pressing a button, so very easy.
>>> Useful for rugs or single rooms. My issues with my house network wifi 
>>> settings are almost resolved, touch wood. I am d

SV: eBook reader

[David Renstrom]

Hi Anne,

Thanks for the tip. The Kobo app seems to be fairly accessible. Switching 
between chapters seems a little bit troublesome though, at least in the book 
previews I’ve tried. I seem to have to go back to the table of contents and 
choose the next chapter. But I’ve only spent about 30 minutes with the app so 
I’ll have to investigate further.

Thanks again,
/David R.
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Från: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] För Anne 
Robertson
Skickat: den 23 juni 2016 11:46
Till: viphone@googlegroups.com
Ämne: Re: eBook reader

Hello David,

Have you tried the Kobo app? I can assure you that it’s accessible and should 
work with Adobe DRM content.

Cheers,

Anne



On 23 Jun 2016, at 11:26, David Renstrom 
mailto:david.renst...@synutveckling.se>> wrote:

Hi Alan,

No, I’m sorry but the Adobe Digital Editions app is not fully accessible. I 
tried it yesterday and the book content is not readable with VoiceOver. So it’s 
similar to Bluefire.

Thanks,
/David R.
David Renström
Synutveckling Skellefteå AB
0910-144 58, tonval 1
da...@synutveckling.se
www.synutveckling.se

Från: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] För Alan Lemly
Skickat: den 22 juni 2016 22:28
Till: viphone@googlegroups.com
Ämne: RE: eBook reader

David,

I have no experience regarding accessibility with VoiceOver of eReaders that 
work with books requiring an Adobe ID but have you tried the Adobe Digital 
Editions app? The Apps Store description says it works with Adobe DRM content 
so I assume it will work with your books provided it is accessible.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Renstrom
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 4:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: eBook reader

Hi,

I would like to read eBooks which require an Adobe ID. The recommended app is 
Bluefire. However, this app is not accessible, i.e. it’s not possible to read 
the text itself even though most controls are usable. I’ve also tried Voice 
Dream Reader but it doesn’t seem to support Adobe ID.

Has anyone got a tip for a eBook reader that works with VoiceOver?

Thanks,
/David R.
David Renström
Synutveckling Skellefteå AB
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Re: eBook reader

[Anne Robertson]

Hello David,

Have you tried the Kobo app? I can assure you that it’s accessible and should 
work with Adobe DRM content.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 23 Jun 2016, at 11:26, David Renstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
>  
> No, I’m sorry but the Adobe Digital Editions app is not fully accessible. I 
> tried it yesterday and the book content is not readable with VoiceOver. So 
> it’s similar to Bluefire.
>  
> Thanks,
> /David R.
> David Renström
> Synutveckling Skellefteå AB
> 0910-144 58, tonval 1
> da...@synutveckling.se 
> www.synutveckling.se 
>  
> Från: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] För Alan 
> Lemly
> Skickat: den 22 juni 2016 22:28
> Till: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Ämne: RE: eBook reader
>  
> David,
>  
> I have no experience regarding accessibility with VoiceOver of eReaders that 
> work with books requiring an Adobe ID but have you tried the Adobe Digital 
> Editions app? The Apps Store description says it works with Adobe DRM content 
> so I assume it will work with your books provided it is accessible.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of David Renstrom
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 4:33 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: eBook reader
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I would like to read eBooks which require an Adobe ID. The recommended app is 
> Bluefire. However, this app is not accessible, i.e. it’s not possible to read 
> the text itself even though most controls are usable. I’ve also tried Voice 
> Dream Reader but it doesn’t seem to support Adobe ID.
>  
> Has anyone got a tip for a eBook reader that works with VoiceOver?
>  
> Thanks,
> /David R.
> David Renström
> Synutveckling Skellefteå AB
> 0910-144 58, tonval 1
> da...@synutveckling.se 
> www.synutveckling.se 
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SV: eBook reader

[David Renstrom]

Hi Alan,

No, I’m sorry but the Adobe Digital Editions app is not fully accessible. I 
tried it yesterday and the book content is not readable with VoiceOver. So it’s 
similar to Bluefire.

Thanks,
/David R.
David Renström
Synutveckling Skellefteå AB
0910-144 58, tonval 1
da...@synutveckling.se
www.synutveckling.se

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Ämne: RE: eBook reader

David,

I have no experience regarding accessibility with VoiceOver of eReaders that 
work with books requiring an Adobe ID but have you tried the Adobe Digital 
Editions app? The Apps Store description says it works with Adobe DRM content 
so I assume it will work with your books provided it is accessible.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Renstrom
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 4:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: eBook reader

Hi,

I would like to read eBooks which require an Adobe ID. The recommended app is 
Bluefire. However, this app is not accessible, i.e. it’s not possible to read 
the text itself even though most controls are usable. I’ve also tried Voice 
Dream Reader but it doesn’t seem to support Adobe ID.

Has anyone got a tip for a eBook reader that works with VoiceOver?

Thanks,
/David R.
David Renström
Synutveckling Skellefteå AB
0910-144 58, tonval 1
da...@synutveckling.se
www.synutveckling.se

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Re: Songs true play

[Brett]

Awesome stuff! It does make a big difference. 

Cheers Brett. 


> On 22 Jun 2016, at 7:28 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> 
> Hi. For those of us who have the Sonos system, I am very happy to let you 
> know if you haven’t already discovered, true play is now accessible using 
> voiceover. I wish that my Sonos surround system in my living room could also 
> take advantage of true play. Smiles, maybe next update!
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Re: VO and Tripple Click Home Questions

[Arnold Schmidt]

Go into settings, general, accessibility,  and accessibility shortcuts is 
the last one in the list. Unselect voice over


To my knowledge, there is no pass through gesture for letting normal 
gestures bypass voice over.  You have to turn voice over off to use normal 
gestures.


Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Dani Pagador" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 2:58 AM
Subject: VO and Tripple Click Home Questions



Hi, Everyone.
I need to turn VO off on my Mom's iPhone. I know that I can do this
with either Settings or Siri.

But I enabled the triple click home shortcut to turn VO on/off for
myself when I need to help her with stuff. (Didn't know at the time I
had the option to use Siri to do that.)

What if I don't want to be able to use triple click home? Can I
disable it? (My Mom isn't the most tech savvy, dexterous iPhone user,
and it's be easiest to not have to try to figure out what she did
inadvertently to make X or Y feature turn on/off.) I mean, the feature
is turned off by default, so is there a way to turn it off once it's
been enabled?

And ... is there a pass-through gesture that lets the VO user use
non-VO gestures while VO is on? I'm thinking that if there is such a
thing, I may be able to talk my Mom through turning VO off without
having her deal with VO gestures.

Thanks,
Dani

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