RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

[Doc wright]

You still can place your finger over the ear piece and remove it to switch to 
speaker phone.

-Original Message-
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 12:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Q:  so why,  do they not have an option to have it manually switched on, just 
like we had on the old phones, so we , that is us the ruddy users, retain 
absolute control of the device.

Thanks, RobH.


- Original Message -
From: "M. Taylor" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 2:22 AM
Subject: RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.


Hello Mike,

This is great info.

I guess I misunderstood the question.

Thank you,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike B.
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Mr. Ed,

This is where you'll find the setting for when the phone switches to the 
speaker phone when you move the phone away from your ear, & 
it switches to speaker phone.
Settings / General / Accessibility / Voice Over / Audio

If you want the phone to switch to the speaker phone when you take the phone 
away from your ear, have this setting turned on.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
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From: Mr. Ed
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:44 PM
Subject: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Group,
When I receive a call I can hold my iPhone 6s plus away from my face and hold 
the phone flat and the caller will come out of the 
speaker. Then I can put it back up to my ear and it will automatically come out 
the hear piece speaker. So my question is how or 
where do you turn this feature on to have it do that. I have a person that want 
to turn this feature on . I cannot find it in 
settings as I must not be looking in the correct place. Anyone have any idea’s 
as to where I turn this on at?
Mr. Ed
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Re: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Q:  so why,  do they not have an option to have it manually switched on, just 
like we had on the old phones, so we , that is us the 
ruddy users, retain absolute control of the device.

Thanks, RobH.


- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 2:22 AM
Subject: RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.


Hello Mike,

This is great info.

I guess I misunderstood the question.

Thank you,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike B.
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Mr. Ed,

This is where you'll find the setting for when the phone switches to the 
speaker phone when you move the phone away from your ear, & 
it switches to speaker phone.
Settings / General / Accessibility / Voice Over / Audio

If you want the phone to switch to the speaker phone when you take the phone 
away from your ear, have this setting turned on.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
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- Original Message - 
From: Mr. Ed
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:44 PM
Subject: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Group,
When I receive a call I can hold my iPhone 6s plus away from my face and hold 
the phone flat and the caller will come out of the 
speaker. Then I can put it back up to my ear and it will automatically come out 
the hear piece speaker. So my question is how or 
where do you turn this feature on to have it do that. I have a person that want 
to turn this feature on . I cannot find it in 
settings as I must not be looking in the correct place. Anyone have any idea’s 
as to where I turn this on at?
Mr. Ed
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Re: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I appreciate the headsUp too, but  getting disillusioned now that Apple, like 
MS before them,   think and presume, they can get away 
with anything.

Can you imagine cars being designed this way, swapping the order of the 
pedals,, positions of gear shift and parking brake, lights, 
indicators and dials move around regularly anyway.  MS did this when they 
withdrew alt-ctrl-del as primary reboot keys, and left us 
with nothing to salvage a locked up machine.

But I digress, I'm still reading all the  - whether to go for it themes -  and 
getting a tad disheartened at it all. MrsH has just 
bought an unknown 'Droid for about £70 looking just like aniPhone 6, though 
also do a 6+ size in it.  Even it's voices sound 
promising.  But no one wanted to know that, right?

RobH, keeps reading and keeping the key info bits.
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From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 6:11 AM
Subject: RE: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET


Mark, this sounds like a button combination which works much better on Sundays 
between 7 and 8 AM and while you are performing a 
headstand in the batht ub.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET

CNET How To - Monday, September 25, 2017 at 7:56 AM How to force restart the 
iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET With the iPhone 8 
($699.00 at Apple) and 8 Plus, Apple has once again changed the button 
combination used to force restart a frozen phone.
Up until the iPhone 7 ($720.00 at Amazon Marketplace) and 7 Plus ($785.70 at 
Amazon Marketplace), you could hold the wake/lock (or 
"side" button) and the home button at the same time until the Apple logo 
appeared. That process changed with the iPhone 7 lineup, 
when you had to hold the wake/lock and volume down buttons to complete the 
process.

Now Playing: Watch this: iPhone 8 drop test: How tough is the glass?
4:45
If you try the same thing on the iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, however, you'll quickly 
learn that's how the Emergency SOS feature is 
triggered. Depending on your settings, your phone may end up playing a loud 
alarm and calling emergency services when all you wanted 
to do was restart your device.
Apple has published the button sequence (not combination) that restarts the 
iPhone 8 and 8 Plus. Here's what you need to do:
. Quickly press and release the volume up button.
. Quickly press and release the volume down button.
. Hold in the wake/lock button until you see the Apple logo.
The next time your phone is running a bit slow or is frozen, keep this in mind. 
It took me a few tries to get it just right, but it 
indeed works.

Original Article At:
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-force-restart-the-iphone-8-iphone-8-plus/
#ftag=CAD5457c2c


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RE: Extra tone when exiting apps

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The option to have a tone played instead of Voiceover saying “Cap” is in a new 
settings group called Verbocity. This of course is in Voiceover Settings right 
after “Speech” and it is now where the “Speak Hints” and “Punctuation” options 
are and a whole bunch more choices.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Doc wright
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 11:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Extra tone when exiting apps

Where did you find this information concerning caps?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 11:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Extra tone when exiting apps

Hi List,

I’m surprised none of you with sensitive ears have brought this up, but in iOS 
11 when you press the home button to close an app and return to the home 
screen, the little tone you hear now plays twice. It plays when you press the 
home button, then Voiceover speaks the name of the app you are on and 
immediately afterwards the little tone plays again.
I find it mildly annoying although I’m sure I get used to it. I just emailed 
Apple Accessibility about it because as far as I am concerned that is a bug 
unless theytell me it’s by design. If the latter then I wonder why, on the one 
hand they got rid of the “Screen Locked” announcement in iOS 10 and replaced 
with a fairly unremarkable sound which I personally like, on the other hand now 
in iOS 11 they introduce extra noise.
And since we are on the topic of noise, how many have enabled to hear a tone 
for upper case letter instead of Voiceover saying “Caps”? I like the idea, but 
I find the brassy tone they have assigned to this quite abbrasive and think it 
would be nice if they replaced it with something more pleasant like maybe a 
raindrop sort of sound or, even better of course, let them give us a choice of 
3 or 4 tones for this.

Regards,
Sieghard

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RE: Extra tone when exiting apps

[Doc wright]

Where did you find this information concerning caps?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 11:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Extra tone when exiting apps

 

Hi List,

 

I’m surprised none of you with sensitive ears have brought this up, but in iOS 
11 when you press the home button to close an app and return to the home 
screen, the little tone you hear now plays twice. It plays when you press the 
home button, then Voiceover speaks the name of the app you are on and 
immediately afterwards the little tone plays again.

I find it mildly annoying although I’m sure I get used to it. I just emailed 
Apple Accessibility about it because as far as I am concerned that is a bug 
unless theytell me it’s by design. If the latter then I wonder why, on the one 
hand they got rid of the “Screen Locked” announcement in iOS 10 and replaced 
with a fairly unremarkable sound which I personally like, on the other hand now 
in iOS 11 they introduce extra noise.

And since we are on the topic of noise, how many have enabled to hear a tone 
for upper case letter instead of Voiceover saying “Caps”? I like the idea, but 
I find the brassy tone they have assigned to this quite abbrasive and think it 
would be nice if they replaced it with something more pleasant like maybe a 
raindrop sort of sound or, even better of course, let them give us a choice of 
3 or 4 tones for this.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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Re: transferring an app

[Vicki W.]

He said he couldn't find it, but then I told him of another way to look and 
haven't heard back. The app, while though it still works for me, is no longer 
available. I've searched everywhere, including their website and can't even get 
into their support. The company has others apps, but that one is not mentioned 
in their list.

The company is Surgeworks and the app is call Divine Office or Liturgy Of The 
Hours. I looked under both titles and couldn't find it.

I haven't updated to IOS 11 yet, but since it didn't show up in my list of apps 
that won't work, I am assuming it will, although if it is no longer available, 
maybe it just is not showing up and it will stop working like his did.

Vicki

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  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 12:14 AM
  Subject: RE: transferring an app


  I just read your message again and your friend should check in his/her 
purchased section as they should be able to download the app from there and I 
assume it will be whatever the latest version was.

  Just out of curiocity and if it’s not some sort of confidential thing, but 
which app are you referring to?

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Vicki W.
  Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:24 PM
  To: IPhone 
  Subject: transferring an app

   

  I have two questions about transferring an app, not from one device to 
another, but from one person to another.

   

  My friend has an earlier version of an app and I have the latest version. The 
app is no longer available in the App store, but still works with IOS 11 for 
me, but not for him.

   

  My questions are:

   

  1. Is there a way to get the app from either my mini IPad or my IPhone to my 
computer so I can send it to him.

   

  and

   

  2. If that is possible, how would he go about getting it off his computer on 
to his mini IPad to function as a working app?

   

  Thanks.

   

  Vicki

   

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Re: transferring an app

[Vicki W.]

Thanks. I thought it wouldn't work but I would give it a try if there was a 
way. I'm certainly not giving out my info to anyone, well, maybe my cat, but 
she won't talk, much!

Thanks again.

Vicki

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 12:12 AM
  Subject: RE: transferring an app


  Sorry, Vicky, that’s a no go, apps are tied to the Apple Id they were 
purchased by and you can’t give somebody a physical copy of an app. At best 
they might get it to work if you also gave them your Apple Id and password, but 
I’m not even sure how realistic that might be even if it were something you 
would want to do, I certainly would not give anybody access to my Apple account.

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Vicki W.
  Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:24 PM
  To: IPhone 
  Subject: transferring an app

   

  I have two questions about transferring an app, not from one device to 
another, but from one person to another.

   

  My friend has an earlier version of an app and I have the latest version. The 
app is no longer available in the App store, but still works with IOS 11 for 
me, but not for him.

   

  My questions are:

   

  1. Is there a way to get the app from either my mini IPad or my IPhone to my 
computer so I can send it to him.

   

  and

   

  2. If that is possible, how would he go about getting it off his computer on 
to his mini IPad to function as a working app?

   

  Thanks.

   

  Vicki

   

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RE: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Mark, this sounds like a button combination which works much better on Sundays 
between 7 and 8 AM and while you are performing a headstand in the batht ub.

-Original Message-
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M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET

CNET How To - Monday, September 25, 2017 at 7:56 AM How to force restart the 
iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET With the iPhone 8 ($699.00 at Apple) and 8 
Plus, Apple has once again changed the button combination used to force restart 
a frozen phone.
Up until the iPhone 7 ($720.00 at Amazon Marketplace) and 7 Plus ($785.70 at 
Amazon Marketplace), you could hold the wake/lock (or "side" button) and the 
home button at the same time until the Apple logo appeared. That process 
changed with the iPhone 7 lineup, when you had to hold the wake/lock and volume 
down buttons to complete the process.
 
Now Playing: Watch this: iPhone 8 drop test: How tough is the glass? 
4:45
If you try the same thing on the iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, however, you'll quickly 
learn that's how the Emergency SOS feature is triggered. Depending on your 
settings, your phone may end up playing a loud alarm and calling emergency 
services when all you wanted to do was restart your device.
Apple has published the button sequence (not combination) that restarts the 
iPhone 8 and 8 Plus. Here's what you need to do:
.   Quickly press and release the volume up button.
.   Quickly press and release the volume down button.
.   Hold in the wake/lock button until you see the Apple logo.
The next time your phone is running a bit slow or is frozen, keep this in mind. 
It took me a few tries to get it just right, but it indeed works.

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Extra tone when exiting apps

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi List,

I'm surprised none of you with sensitive ears have brought this up, but in iOS 
11 when you press the home button to close an app and return to the home 
screen, the little tone you hear now plays twice. It plays when you press the 
home button, then Voiceover speaks the name of the app you are on and 
immediately afterwards the little tone plays again.
I find it mildly annoying although I'm sure I get used to it. I just emailed 
Apple Accessibility about it because as far as I am concerned that is a bug 
unless theytell me it's by design. If the latter then I wonder why, on the one 
hand they got rid of the "Screen Locked" announcement in iOS 10 and replaced 
with a fairly unremarkable sound which I personally like, on the other hand now 
in iOS 11 they introduce extra noise.
And since we are on the topic of noise, how many have enabled to hear a tone 
for upper case letter instead of Voiceover saying "Caps"? I like the idea, but 
I find the brassy tone they have assigned to this quite abbrasive and think it 
would be nice if they replaced it with something more pleasant like maybe a 
raindrop sort of sound or, even better of course, let them give us a choice of 
3 or 4 tones for this.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Re: Recommendations for around $100 In-ear Wired Headphones

[Craig Werner]

Thank you, Chip, for your recommendation of the Sennheiser P100
headphones.  I am trying to limit my search to in-ear headphones but
will keep your over-the-ear suggestions in mind as I wade through the
multiple products available for around $100.  I hope others will weigh
in if this subject hasn't been beaten down through previous inquiries.


Craig

On 9/25/17, Chip Orange  wrote:
> I have a lot of experience with over-the-ear open-backed headphones from
> Sennheiser and I love the p100 model for well under $100.
>
> In addition to great warm sound, it allows some ambient noise to pennetrate
> (which I consider a bonus for blind people who don't want to be completely
> cut off from their environment).
>
> They also fold like sunglasses, and so are easily portable.
>
> Chip
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Craig Werner
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Recommendations for around $100 In-ear Wired Headphones
>
> Hello, everyone.
>
> The wires on my four-year-old Bose Mie2i wired in-ear headphones are
> beginning to fray, and I'll have to replace them if the sound from them
> becomes intermittent.  I am looking for a pair of wired in-ear headphones
> whose tips are comfortable and do not reach deep into the ear canal and
> whose sound is similar to the warm, flat Bose sound.  I am considering the
> Bose in-ear SoundTrue headphones and also the Sennheiser HD1 in-ear models.
> The hype around the Shenzhen 1More's Triple Driver headphones also has me
> interested although I am very suspicious of over-the-top reviews.  I am not
> interested in any wireless phones.  Does anyone have any deep and abiding
> experience with the kind of headphones I am looking for?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Craig
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How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET

[M. Taylor]

CNET How To - Monday, September 25, 2017 at 7:56 AM
How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET
With the iPhone 8 ($699.00 at Apple) and 8 Plus, Apple has once again
changed the button combination used to force restart a frozen phone.
Up until the iPhone 7 ($720.00 at Amazon Marketplace) and 7 Plus ($785.70 at
Amazon Marketplace), you could hold the wake/lock (or "side" button) and the
home button at the same time until the Apple logo appeared. That process
changed with the iPhone 7 lineup, when you had to hold the wake/lock and
volume down buttons to complete the process.
 
Now Playing: Watch this: iPhone 8 drop test: How tough is the glass? 
4:45 
If you try the same thing on the iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, however, you'll quickly
learn that's how the Emergency SOS feature is triggered. Depending on your
settings, your phone may end up playing a loud alarm and calling emergency
services when all you wanted to do was restart your device.
Apple has published the button sequence (not combination) that restarts the
iPhone 8 and 8 Plus. Here's what you need to do:
.   Quickly press and release the volume up button.
.   Quickly press and release the volume down button.
.   Hold in the wake/lock button until you see the Apple logo.
The next time your phone is running a bit slow or is frozen, keep this in
mind. It took me a few tries to get it just right, but it indeed works.

Original Article At:
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-force-restart-the-iphone-8-iphone-8-plus/
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RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mike,

Those options are available, it is the Voiceover Settings > Audio > Auto-select 
speaker in call which is not available unless Voiceover is running simply 
because unless voiceover is on the other Voiceover settings are also not 
available.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike B.
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 9:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Sieghard & Mr. Ed,

I don't know if this setting requires Voiceover to be activated, but it might 
be worth taking a look at.  To change the auto speakerphone settings do the 
following:
 Open Settings / General / Accessibility, & swipe to  the, Interaction Heading, 
& the option to change the auto speaker phone settings are found here,
Call Audio Routing, double tap on it to open / change options.  Your options 
will be Automatic, Bluetooth headset, & Speaker.  My phone is set to automatic. 
 Then exit out of settings as usual.  It's a little too late for me to 
experiment, but please give feedback as to whether it works for sighted folks 
or not.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 9:24 PM
Subject: RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Yes, I don't think the majority of the sighted world would like it in fact and 
in any case it's so easy for a sighted person to press the speaker button if 
they have to that it wouldn't make much sense.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 9:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Sieghard,
I finally figured it all out. I could not get it to work on a friend of mines 
until I figured out you had to have VO on. He would have like that feature. I 
am surprise they only have that feature work automatically with VO on. I guess 
the sighted world is out of luck. They will have to push the button to go to 
the speaker phone. LOL Thanks for all your assistance.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Ed and others,

Most of the feature has been explained. The person who said she hates it and 
wish she could turn it off can now do so following Mike's instructions, the 
ability to turn it off was introduced in iOS 10.
The only other thing I would add here and that's quite important is that if 
Ed's friend is sighted they won't be able to enable this, the automatic 
switching from earpiece to speakerphone is only available if Voiceover is 
running.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hello Mike,

This is great info.

I guess I misunderstood the question.

Thank you,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Mr. Ed,

This is where you'll find the setting for when the phone switches to the 
speaker phone when you move the phone away from your ear, & it switches to 
speaker phone.
Settings / General / Accessibility / Voice Over / Audio

If you want the phone to switch to the speaker phone when you take the phone 
away from your ear, have this setting turned on.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
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- Original Message -
From: Mr. Ed
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:44 PM
Subject: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Group,
When I receive a call I can hold my iPhone 6s plus away from my face and hold 
the phone flat and the caller will come out of the speaker. Then I can put it 
back up to my ear and it will automatical

Re: Can I Get the Canada Radio Player from the U.S. App Store?

[Craig Werner]

Hello, Sieghard.

Thanks very much for taking the time to provide helpful information
about two apps that feature access to multiple Canadian radio
stations.  Actually, I did perform a search early on for apps that
featured Canadian radio stations and, as you said, there are a whole
lot of choices.  I was originally drawn to the Canada Radio Player app
because of an article I read that made it look like a very robust and
diverse app.  I don't think I will look into getting the software
even if there is a way to circumvent restrictions on my procuring it
due to my being a U.S. user.  I think, after all, I'll stick with the
CBC Radio app and access to other stations provided by such apps as
Tunein Radio Pro and ooTunes.

Craig

On 9/25/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Craig,
>
> If you are such a fan of canadian radio, do a search for exactly that in the
> app store. Of course I don't know what will come up for you, but when I just
> did this it shows a bunch of results, too many to list here, one of them is
> this:
> Radio Canada: Canadian Radios FM", by Sebastian Rousseau. it gets 4.75
> Stars, link and app description follow:
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/radio-canada-canadian-radios-fm/id1219905976?mt=8
>
> Radio Canada allows you to listen for free to more than 800 live radio
> stations using an internet connection.
> Application’s features:
> - more than 800 radio stations and webradios (national, local) available in
> one single application,
> - a simple and efficient interface guarantees a rapid access to the
> application and an optimal sound quality,
> - a powerful search engine to easily find radio stations by name and music
> genre,
> - a list of favorites to save your radio stations and webradios of your
> preference,
> - you can listen to the radio station while placing it at the background in
> order for you to use simultaneously another application,
> - automatic and continuous updates for radio stations and webradios (certain
> stations may be temporarily unavailable depending on radio broadcasting).
>
> And here one more which apparently has recording: Canada Radio - Live Stream
> Radio
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/canada-radio-live-stream-radio/id1089886763?mt=8
>
> I am pretty sure these are the correct links for these apps in the US app
> store, of course you have to check regarding accessibility.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Craig Werner
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can I Get the Canada Radio Player from the U.S. App Store?
>
> My thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread.  I didn't know
> about Jonathan Mosen's book and may check it out.  For now, I'll be content
> with the CBC Radio App and my ability to access other Canadian stations with
> other radio apps I own.
>
> Craig
>
> On 9/22/17, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> You might try Jonathan Mosen's book Imagine There’s No Countries.
>> Access the Internet Content you Want, Wherever you Are. It tells you
>> how to access the stores in various countries and can be found here:
>>
>> http://mosen.org/index.php/audiobook-imagine-theres-no-countries/
>>
>> Alan Lemly
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Craig Werner
>> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 6:31 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Can I Get the Canada Radio Player from the U.S. App Store?
>>
>> Hello, Sieghard.
>>
>> I was afraid you would say the app was unavailable if it didn't show
>> up in a search.I could try crossing the border into
>> southern Ontario and see if I could get the app, but since I am
>> registered as a U.S. user, I expect the results would be the same.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On 9/22/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> Hi Craig,
>>>
>>> If it doesn't show up in a search then it means it is not available.
>>> You could try and write to the developer and ask if there is a chance
>>> they can make it available.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Craig Werner
>>> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 3:08 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Can I Get the Canada Radio Player from the U.S. App Store?
>>>
>>> Greetings, everyone.
>>>
>>> I am a U.S. resident who wants to get the Canada Radio Player app
>>> from the U.S. Apple App Store, but when I search for it, although
>>> lots of Canadian radio apps are displayed, the one I am looking for
>>> is not shown.  If I type the words "Canada Radio Player" into a
>>> Google search box, the one I want, Version 3.10.2 from the seller
>>> 9923144 Canada Inc. is displayed.  Is the app not available via the U.S.
>>> App Store?
>>>
>>> Thanks for all help.
>>>
>>> Craig
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Re: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

[Mike B.]

Hi Sieghard & Mr. Ed,

I don't know if this setting requires Voiceover to be activated, but it 
might be worth taking a look at.  To change the auto speakerphone settings 
do the following:
 Open Settings / General / Accessibility, & swipe to  the, Interaction 
Heading, & the option to change the auto speaker phone settings are found 
here,

Call Audio Routing, double tap on it to open / change options.  Your options 
will be Automatic, Bluetooth headset, & Speaker.  My phone is set to 
automatic.  Then exit out of settings as usual.  It's a little too late for 
me to experiment, but please give feedback as to whether it works for 
sighted folks or not.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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- Original Message - 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 9:24 PM
Subject: RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.


Yes, I don't think the majority of the sighted world would like it in fact 
and in any case it's so easy for a sighted person to press the speaker 
button if they have to that it wouldn't make much sense.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 9:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Sieghard,
I finally figured it all out. I could not get it to work on a friend of 
mines until I figured out you had to have VO on. He would have like that 
feature. I am surprise they only have that feature work automatically with 
VO on. I guess the sighted world is out of luck. They will have to push the 
button to go to the speaker phone. LOL Thanks for all your assistance.
Mr. Ed

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Ed and others,

Most of the feature has been explained. The person who said she hates it and 
wish she could turn it off can now do so following Mike's instructions, the 
ability to turn it off was introduced in iOS 10.
The only other thing I would add here and that's quite important is that if 
Ed's friend is sighted they won't be able to enable this, the automatic 
switching from earpiece to speakerphone is only available if Voiceover is 
running.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hello Mike,

This is great info.

I guess I misunderstood the question.

Thank you,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Mr. Ed,

This is where you'll find the setting for when the phone switches to the 
speaker phone when you move the phone away from your ear, & it switches to 
speaker phone.
Settings / General / Accessibility / Voice Over / Audio

If you want the phone to switch to the speaker phone when you take the phone 
away from your ear, have this setting turned on.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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- Original Message -
From: Mr. Ed
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:44 PM
Subject: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Group,
When I receive a call I can hold my iPhone 6s plus away from my face and 
hold the phone flat and the caller will come out of the speaker. Then I can 
put it back up to my ear and it will automatically come out the hear piece 
speaker. So my question is how or where do you turn this feature on to have 
it do that. I have a person that want to turn this feature on . I cannot 
find it in settings as I must not be looking in the correct place. Anyone 
have any idea’s as to where I turn this on at?
Mr. Ed
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RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, I don't think the majority of the sighted world would like it in fact and 
in any case it's so easy for a sighted person to press the speaker button if 
they have to that it wouldn't make much sense.


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Mr. Ed
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 9:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Sieghard,
I finally figured it all out. I could not get it to work on a friend of mines 
until I figured out you had to have VO on. He would have like that feature. I 
am surprise they only have that feature work automatically with VO on. I guess 
the sighted world is out of luck. They will have to push the button to go to 
the speaker phone. LOL Thanks for all your assistance.
Mr. Ed

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Ed and others,

Most of the feature has been explained. The person who said she hates it and 
wish she could turn it off can now do so following Mike's instructions, the 
ability to turn it off was introduced in iOS 10.
The only other thing I would add here and that's quite important is that if 
Ed's friend is sighted they won't be able to enable this, the automatic 
switching from earpiece to speakerphone is only available if Voiceover is 
running.

Regards,
Sieghard

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M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hello Mike,

This is great info.

I guess I misunderstood the question.

Thank you,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike B.
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Mr. Ed,
 
This is where you'll find the setting for when the phone switches to the 
speaker phone when you move the phone away from your ear, & it switches to 
speaker phone.
Settings / General / Accessibility / Voice Over / Audio
 
If you want the phone to switch to the speaker phone when you take the phone 
away from your ear, have this setting turned on.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end 
you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Mr. Ed
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:44 PM
Subject: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Group,
When I receive a call I can hold my iPhone 6s plus away from my face and hold 
the phone flat and the caller will come out of the speaker. Then I can put it 
back up to my ear and it will automatically come out the hear piece speaker. So 
my question is how or where do you turn this feature on to have it do that. I 
have a person that want to turn this feature on . I cannot find it in settings 
as I must not be looking in the correct place. Anyone have any idea’s as to 
where I turn this on at?
Mr. Ed
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RE: transferring an app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I just read your message again and your friend should check in his/her 
purchased section as they should be able to download the app from there and I 
assume it will be whatever the latest version was.
Just out of curiocity and if it’s not some sort of confidential thing, but 
which app are you referring to?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Vicki W.
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:24 PM
To: IPhone 
Subject: transferring an app

I have two questions about transferring an app, not from one device to another, 
but from one person to another.

My friend has an earlier version of an app and I have the latest version. The 
app is no longer available in the App store, but still works with IOS 11 for 
me, but not for him.

My questions are:

1. Is there a way to get the app from either my mini IPad or my IPhone to my 
computer so I can send it to him.

and

2. If that is possible, how would he go about getting it off his computer on to 
his mini IPad to function as a working app?

Thanks.

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RE: transferring an app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Sorry, Vicky, that’s a no go, apps are tied to the Apple Id they were purchased 
by and you can’t give somebody a physical copy of an app. At best they might 
get it to work if you also gave them your Apple Id and password, but I’m not 
even sure how realistic that might be even if it were something you would want 
to do, I certainly would not give anybody access to my Apple account.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Vicki W.
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:24 PM
To: IPhone 
Subject: transferring an app

I have two questions about transferring an app, not from one device to another, 
but from one person to another.

My friend has an earlier version of an app and I have the latest version. The 
app is no longer available in the App store, but still works with IOS 11 for 
me, but not for him.

My questions are:

1. Is there a way to get the app from either my mini IPad or my IPhone to my 
computer so I can send it to him.

and

2. If that is possible, how would he go about getting it off his computer on to 
his mini IPad to function as a working app?

Thanks.

Vicki

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RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Sieghard,
I finally figured it all out. I could not get it to work on a friend of mines 
until I figured out you had to have VO on. He would have like that feature. I 
am surprise they only have that feature work automatically with VO on. I guess 
the sighted world is out of luck. They will have to push the button to go to 
the speaker phone. LOL
Thanks for all your assistance.
Mr. Ed

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:46 PM
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Subject: RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Ed and others,

Most of the feature has been explained. The person who said she hates it and 
wish she could turn it off can now do so following Mike's instructions, the 
ability to turn it off was introduced in iOS 10.
The only other thing I would add here and that's quite important is that if 
Ed's friend is sighted they won't be able to enable this, the automatic 
switching from earpiece to speakerphone is only available if Voiceover is 
running.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hello Mike,

This is great info.

I guess I misunderstood the question.

Thank you,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike B.
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Mr. Ed,
 
This is where you'll find the setting for when the phone switches to the 
speaker phone when you move the phone away from your ear, & it switches to 
speaker phone.
Settings / General / Accessibility / Voice Over / Audio
 
If you want the phone to switch to the speaker phone when you take the phone 
away from your ear, have this setting turned on.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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From: Mr. Ed 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:44 PM
Subject: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Group,
When I receive a call I can hold my iPhone 6s plus away from my face and hold 
the phone flat and the caller will come out of the speaker. Then I can put it 
back up to my ear and it will automatically come out the hear piece speaker. So 
my question is how or where do you turn this feature on to have it do that. I 
have a person that want to turn this feature on . I cannot find it in settings 
as I must not be looking in the correct place. Anyone have any idea’s as to 
where I turn this on at?
Mr. Ed
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RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

[Alan Lemly]

Marcia,

I was having the same problem you described on my iPhone 7 running iOS 10.3.3 
while cleaning off 32-bit apps getting ready for the upgrade. I noticed I kept 
getting a shortcut menu for the app with focus instead of the move/edit action 
starting. As someone else has answered, making sure I used a lighter touch on 
the hold portion of the gesture fixed the problem. I was accidentally invoking 
3D touch. I assume iOS 11 will enter into edit mode following the single finger 
double tap and hold if you make sure the hold isn't pressed too firmly to 
invoke 3D touch.

Good luck.

Alan

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS11 and moving apps not working

I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes 
before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and 
hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app in 
focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered this 
problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem won't be 
present.

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Re: selecting text, copying and pasting text in Facebook.

[Paul Sandoval]

Candy,

The best help that I can offer is to do a 3 finger quadruple tap to copy last 
spoken phrase to paste board. 
Then when you are in the field to post your status with the edit field in “is 
editing” mode, you can rotor to edit flick down to paste, and double tap.
You might need to clean up any extra text that VO may have attached.
I hope this helps.


> On Sep 25, 2017, at 8:32 PM, Candy Lowe  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone, 
> I am trying to select text, copy, and paste some text that someone has posted 
> to facebook.  I see no way to select the text even though text selection is 
> in my rotor.   I am sure that you all have seen people ask others to copy and 
> paste text to their status on facebook, and not share.  How would I 
> accomplish this?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Candy
> 
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selecting text, copying and pasting text in Facebook.

[Candy Lowe]

Hello everyone, 
I am trying to select text, copy, and paste some text that someone has posted 
to facebook.  I see no way to select the text even though text selection is in 
my rotor.   I am sure that you all have seen people ask others to copy and 
paste text to their status on facebook, and not share.  How would I accomplish 
this?


Thanks in advance.


Candy

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transferring an app

[Vicki W.]

I have two questions about transferring an app, not from one device to another, 
but from one person to another.

My friend has an earlier version of an app and I have the latest version. The 
app is no longer available in the App store, but still works with IOS 11 for 
me, but not for him.

My questions are:

1. Is there a way to get the app from either my mini IPad or my IPhone to my 
computer so I can send it to him.

and

2. If that is possible, how would he go about getting it off his computer on to 
his mini IPad to function as a working app?

Thanks.

Vicki

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Re: Smart battery case will it fit on the new iPhone 8 ?

[dollar031]

Hi, I am going to advice you to please contact directly to Hims.  Hims will be 
able to answer to your question.  Hope this help you.  Cheers, Scott Dollar 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> 
> Will my current smart battery case fit the standard iPhone 8 ?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
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RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Marcia,

Just a little thing, but first of all, do you use a screen protector or a case 
like the Otterbox Defender which covers the screen? Secondly, have you cleaned 
your screen lately? I know all sorts of weird things can happen when the screen 
gets dirty.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marcia Yale
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

It doesn’t have 3-D touch, but the app in focus always opens for me. The 
strange thing is that I can get the gesture to work to invoke a share page, but 
not to get into editing mode. I just wish they would have left the other mode 
alone—add this one for those who want it but keep the other process for those 
of us who like it! I know, I’m dreaming!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

That shouldn’t apply to her iPod Touch, I don’t think even the sixth generation 
iPod Touch has 3D touch, but then again I haven’t kept up too much with the 
iPod Touch devices.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

   As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
took me a few tries to get the hang of it.


Take Care

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On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir 
mailto:michael.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed of 
double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the second 
tap.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale 
mailto:dragonca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
won't be present.

Marcia Yale
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Re: Siri female voice iOS 11

[Richard Turner]

Hi Rick,
No. As far as I know none of the Siri voices have been made available to 
developers.
It might be worth writing both Winston and Apple Accessibility and see what 
happens.
Richard


On Sep 25, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Rick Alfaro 
mailto:rick.alf...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Richard.

Regarding the new Siri Female voice, I'd like to use this voice in Voice
Dream Reader but don't see it listed as a possibility. Have you found a way
to accomplish this? It would be a fantastic voice for reading books due to
how natural she sounds.



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Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 12:22 PM
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Subject: Siri female voice iOS 11

I'm finding some inconsistencies.


 1.  When I go into the Accessibility Speech settings and sample the Siri
American female voice or in the VoiceOver Speech settings and do the same,
it is a very nice, high quality voice that is using 497 MB or something like
that.
 2.  Under the regular accessibility speech settings, it says the name is
Martha.
 3.  However, if I go into the Siri settings and select Siri female
American, it is a not great sounding Samantha.  It is clearly not the
correct voice.
This is on both my iPhone 5s and iPod Touch 6 running iOS 11.
I'm copying Apple accessibility on this message.

Richard

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Re: Strange voice feadback problem.

[Richard Turner]

Jim,
Have your client check the Settings, General, Accessibility, Speech, Speak 
selection setting. If it is on, turn it off and see if the issue goes away.
Richard


On Sep 25, 2017, at 6:11 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
wrote:

Hello Jim,

The issue you describe has been long documented in the Apple bug reporting 
system.

Yes, sometimes, after disabling VoiceOver, a user will hear actual letters 
being spoken as they type.  When this happens, just reboot the phone.

This bug has been around for a very, very long time--since iOS 8, at least.

Mark
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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Noseworthy
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 3:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Strange voice feadback problem.

Hi Gang:

I have a client who has the following problem:  when he turns off Voiceover, he 
is still able to hear keyboard letters when he touches them. This is the case 
in all fieles EG, Messages, notes, etc.

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Re: Your Apple Store Work Authorization & Service Confirmation

[Mike B.]

Hi Simon,

We must be reading the lines differently.  I'm reading this on a desktop 
computer, & it sounds like, to me anyways, that this phone info below is the 
phone you received as a replacement:
iPhone 5s, GSM, 32GB, Gold
Replacement Serial No: F97SQ01WFFFM
Replacement IMEI: 013968007687927
Check your phone numbers to see if they match the numbers above.

iPhone 5s/SE, Flat Rate Repair, sounds to me like this same repair would 
cost the same for both the 5S & 5 S E.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: Simon Wong
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: Your Apple Store Work Authorization & Service Confirmation


But where it says replacement its says 5s/SE.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2017, at 9:31 PM, Mike B.  wrote:


  Hi Simon,

  It says:

  Model: IPHONE 5S

  Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
  Sent from my iBarstool.
  Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Wong
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Cc: ci...@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:14 PM
  Subject: Fwd: Your Apple Store Work Authorization & Service Confirmation


  Hi, how do I know which phone I have based on the message below:

  Sent from my iPhone

  Begin forwarded message:


From: Apple Sainte-Catherine 
Date: August 26, 2017 at 6:14:35 PM GMT-4
To: simonwo...@sympatico.ca
Subject: Your Apple Store Work Authorization & Service Confirmation
Reply-To: donotre...@apple.com


Thank you for visiting the Apple Store. Below is a copy of your service 
record.
 Apple Sainte-Catherine
  26-Aug-17 (514) 906 8400

Genius Bar Work Authorization & Service Confirmation
*R246239909*
Repair No: R246239909
  Customer Information Product Information
  Simon Wong  Warranty Status: Protection Plan (A2)
  CAN  Model: IPHONE 5S
  Date of Purchase: 09-May-16
  Serial No: DX3PJ4ACFFFM
  IMEI: 013990005457418


Problem Description/Diagnosis
Issue: Display separating due to swollen battery. Speaker phone not 
functional
Steps to Reproduce: Visually confirmed
Cosmetic Condition: Separating display, no damage.
Contact Apple Support Case: 100271915006

Employee 204235895


Repair Estimate
  Item Number  Description  Price  Amount Due  Customer KBB
  661-7718  iPhone 5s, GSM, 32GB, Gold
  Replacement Serial No: F97SQ01WFFFM
  Replacement IMEI: 013968007687927  $ 0.00  $ 0.00
  S5140Z/A  iPhone 5s/SE, Flat Rate Repair  $ 349.00  $ 0.00
 Tax   $ 0.00
  Total  $ 349.00  $ 0.00




Work Authorization.I agree that the Repair Terms and Conditions on the 
reverse side of this page will apply to the service of the Product 
identified above; Apple is not responsible for any loss, corruption, or 
breach of the data on my product during service; as loss of data may occur 
as a result of the service, it is my responsibility to make a backup copy of 
my data before bringing my product to Apple for service; goods presented for 
repair may be replaced by refurbished goods of the same type rather than 
being repaired. Refurbished parts may be used to repair the goods.


Parts and Service
  Item Number  Description  Price  Amount Due  Customer KBB
 Same as described above
 Total  $ 349.00  $ 0.00


Thank you for choosing AppleCare for the repair of your Apple Product. 
To ensure the highest level of quality and reliability, all work is 
performed by AppleCare certified technicians using genuine Apple parts. 
Additionally, all repairs are backed by Apple’s 90-day service limited 
warranty, or the original one-year limited warranty, whichever is longer. 
Note: The items identified above have been exchanged by Apple for new or 
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If you need any future technical or administrative assistance, please 
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RE: Your Apple Store Work Authorization & Service Confirmation

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Simon,

It says “iPhone 5S GSM 32 Gb Gold”, the line where it says iPhone 5S/SE is in 
the place where they list the repair cost of $349 which you didn’t pay as it 
was covered under warranty. I assume they show it as iPhone 5S/SE because the 
repair cost for these two models would be the same since they are basically 
identical phones in terms of form factor/screen size.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon Wong
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Your Apple Store Work Authorization & Service Confirmation

But where it says replacement its says 5s/SE.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2017, at 9:31 PM, Mike B. 
mailto:mb69ma...@charter.net>> wrote:
Hi Simon,

It says:

Model: IPHONE 5S

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end 
you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Simon Wong
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: ci...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:14 PM
Subject: Fwd: Your Apple Store Work Authorization & Service Confirmation

Hi, how do I know which phone I have based on the message below:

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:
From: Apple Sainte-Catherine mailto:donotre...@apple.com>>
Date: August 26, 2017 at 6:14:35 PM GMT-4
To: simonwo...@sympatico.ca
Subject: Your Apple Store Work Authorization & Service Confirmation
Reply-To: donotre...@apple.com
Thank you for visiting the Apple Store. Below is a copy of your service record.

Apple Sainte-Catherine

26-Aug-17

(514) 906 8400

Genius Bar Work Authorization & Service Confirmation
*R246239909*
Repair No: R246239909
Customer Information

Product Information

Simon Wong

Warranty Status: Protection Plan (A2)

CAN

Model: IPHONE 5S


Date of Purchase: 09-May-16


Serial No: DX3PJ4ACFFFM


IMEI: 013990005457418


Problem Description/Diagnosis
Issue: Display separating due to swollen battery. Speaker phone not functional
Steps to Reproduce: Visually confirmed
Cosmetic Condition: Separating display, no damage.
Contact Apple Support Case: 100271915006

Employee 204235895

Repair Estimate
Item Number

Description

Price

Amount Due

Customer KBB

661-7718

iPhone 5s, GSM, 32GB, Gold
Replacement Serial No: F97SQ01WFFFM
Replacement IMEI: 013968007687927

$ 0.00

$ 0.00

S5140Z/A

iPhone 5s/SE, Flat Rate Repair

$ 349.00

$ 0.00


Tax

$ 0.00

Total

$ 349.00

$ 0.00



Work Authorization.I agree that the Repair Terms and Conditions on the reverse 
side of this page will apply to the service of the Product identified above; 
Apple is not responsible for any loss, corruption, or breach of the data on my 
product during service; as loss of data may occur as a result of the service, 
it is my responsibility to make a backup copy of my data before bringing my 
product to Apple for service; goods presented for repair may be replaced by 
refurbished goods of the same type rather than being repaired. Refurbished 
parts may be used to repair the goods.

Parts and Service
Item Number

Description

Price

Amount Due

Customer KBB


Same as described above


Total

$ 349.00

$ 0.00


Thank you for choosing AppleCare for the repair of your Apple Product. To 
ensure the highest level of quality and reliability, all work is performed by 
AppleCare certified technicians using genuine Apple parts. Additionally, all 
repairs are backed by Apple’s 90-day service limited warranty, or the original 
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Any applicable cost is indicated adjacent to the part(s) or product 
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If you need any future technical or administrative assistance, please contact 
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regarding the operation of your Apple Product can be found at: 
www.apple.com/ca/support/

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RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Ed and others,

Most of the feature has been explained. The person who said she hates it and 
wish she could turn it off can now do so following Mike's instructions, the 
ability to turn it off was introduced in iOS 10.
The only other thing I would add here and that's quite important is that if 
Ed's friend is sighted they won't be able to enable this, the automatic 
switching from earpiece to speakerphone is only available if Voiceover is 
running.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hello Mike,

This is great info.

I guess I misunderstood the question.

Thank you,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike B.
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Mr. Ed,
 
This is where you'll find the setting for when the phone switches to the 
speaker phone when you move the phone away from your ear, & it switches to 
speaker phone.
Settings / General / Accessibility / Voice Over / Audio
 
If you want the phone to switch to the speaker phone when you take the phone 
away from your ear, have this setting turned on.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
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you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: Mr. Ed 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:44 PM
Subject: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Group,
When I receive a call I can hold my iPhone 6s plus away from my face and hold 
the phone flat and the caller will come out of the speaker. Then I can put it 
back up to my ear and it will automatically come out the hear piece speaker. So 
my question is how or where do you turn this feature on to have it do that. I 
have a person that want to turn this feature on . I cannot find it in settings 
as I must not be looking in the correct place. Anyone have any idea’s as to 
where I turn this on at?
Mr. Ed
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Re: Your Apple Store Work Authorization & Service Confirmation

[Simon Wong]

But where it says replacement its says 5s/SE.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 9:31 PM, Mike B.  wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
>  
> It says:
>  
> Model: IPHONE 5S
>  
> Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
> Sent from my iBarstool.
> Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
> end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
> - Original Message -
> From: Simon Wong
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: ci...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:14 PM
> Subject: Fwd: Your Apple Store Work Authorization & Service Confirmation
> 
> Hi, how do I know which phone I have based on the message below:
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Apple Sainte-Catherine 
>> Date: August 26, 2017 at 6:14:35 PM GMT-4
>> To: simonwo...@sympatico.ca
>> Subject: Your Apple Store Work Authorization & ServiceConfirmation
>> Reply-To: donotre...@apple.com
>> 
>> Thank you for visiting the Apple Store. Below is a copy of your service 
>> record.
>> Apple Sainte-Catherine
>> 26-Aug-17
>> (514) 906 8400
>> Genius Bar Work Authorization & Service Confirmation
>> 
>> Repair No: R246239909
>> Customer Information
>> Product Information
>> Simon Wong   Warranty Status: Protection Plan (A2)
>> CAN  Model: IPHONE 5S
>> Date of Purchase: 09-May-16
>> Serial No: DX3PJ4ACFFFM
>> IMEI: 013990005457418
>> Problem Description/Diagnosis
>> Issue: Display separating due to swollen battery. Speaker phone not 
>> functional
>> Steps to Reproduce: Visually confirmed
>> Cosmetic Condition: Separating display, no damage.
>> Contact Apple Support Case: 100271915006
>> 
>> Employee 204235895
>> 
>> Repair Estimate
>> Item Number  Description Price   Amount Due  Customer KBB
>> 661-7718 iPhone 5s, GSM, 32GB, Gold
>> Replacement Serial No: F97SQ01WFFFM
>> Replacement IMEI: 013968007687927$ 0.00  $ 0.00  
>> S5140Z/A iPhone 5s/SE, Flat Rate Repair  $ 349.00$ 0.00  
>> Tax  $ 0.00
>> Total$ 349.00$ 0.00
>> 
>> 
>> Work Authorization.I agree that the Repair Terms and Conditions on the 
>> reverse side of this page will apply to the service of the Product 
>> identified above; Apple is not responsible for any loss, corruption, or 
>> breach of the data on my product during service; as loss of data may occur 
>> as a result of the service, it is my responsibility to make a backup copy of 
>> my data before bringing my product to Apple for service; goods presented for 
>> repair may be replaced by refurbished goods of the same type rather than 
>> being repaired. Refurbished parts may be used to repair the goods.
>> 
>> Parts and Service
>> Item Number  Description Price   Amount Due  Customer KBB
>> Same as described above  
>> Total$ 349.00$ 0.00  
>> 
>> Thank you for choosing AppleCare for the repair of your Apple Product. To 
>> ensure the highest level of quality and reliability, all work is performed 
>> by AppleCare certified technicians using genuine Apple parts. Additionally, 
>> all repairs are backed by Apple’s 90-day service limited warranty, or the 
>> original one-year limited warranty, whichever is longer. Note: The items 
>> identified above have been exchanged by Apple for new or refurbished parts 
>> or products. Any applicable cost is indicated adjacent to the part(s) or 
>> product description. Service parts are subject to tax. 
>> 
>> If you need any future technical or administrative assistance, please 
>> contact AppleCare Support by calling 1-800-263-3394. Also, answers to many 
>> questions regarding the operation of your Apple Product can be found at: 
>> www.apple.com/ca/support/
>> 
>> 
>> Repair Terms and Conditions and be found at 
>> http://www.apple.com/legal/sales-support/terms/repair/retailservice.html.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Your Apple Store Work Authorization & Service Confirmation

[Mike B.]

Hi Simon,

It says:

Model: IPHONE 5S

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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- Original Message - 
From: Simon Wong
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: ci...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:14 PM
Subject: Fwd: Your Apple Store Work Authorization & Service Confirmation


Hi, how do I know which phone I have based on the message below:

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:


  From: Apple Sainte-Catherine 
  Date: August 26, 2017 at 6:14:35 PM GMT-4
  To: simonwo...@sympatico.ca
  Subject: Your Apple Store Work Authorization & Service Confirmation
  Reply-To: donotre...@apple.com


  Thank you for visiting the Apple Store. Below is a copy of your service 
record.
   Apple Sainte-Catherine
26-Aug-17 (514) 906 8400

  Genius Bar Work Authorization & Service Confirmation
  *R246239909*
  Repair No: R246239909
Customer Information Product Information
Simon Wong  Warranty Status: Protection Plan (A2)
CAN  Model: IPHONE 5S
Date of Purchase: 09-May-16
Serial No: DX3PJ4ACFFFM
IMEI: 013990005457418


  Problem Description/Diagnosis
  Issue: Display separating due to swollen battery. Speaker phone not 
functional
  Steps to Reproduce: Visually confirmed
  Cosmetic Condition: Separating display, no damage.
  Contact Apple Support Case: 100271915006

  Employee 204235895


  Repair Estimate
Item Number  Description  Price  Amount Due  Customer KBB
661-7718  iPhone 5s, GSM, 32GB, Gold
Replacement Serial No: F97SQ01WFFFM
Replacement IMEI: 013968007687927  $ 0.00  $ 0.00
S5140Z/A  iPhone 5s/SE, Flat Rate Repair  $ 349.00  $ 0.00
   Tax   $ 0.00
Total  $ 349.00  $ 0.00




  Work Authorization.I agree that the Repair Terms and Conditions on the 
reverse side of this page will apply to the service of the Product 
identified above; Apple is not responsible for any loss, corruption, or 
breach of the data on my product during service; as loss of data may occur 
as a result of the service, it is my responsibility to make a backup copy of 
my data before bringing my product to Apple for service; goods presented for 
repair may be replaced by refurbished goods of the same type rather than 
being repaired. Refurbished parts may be used to repair the goods.


  Parts and Service
Item Number  Description  Price  Amount Due  Customer KBB
   Same as described above
   Total  $ 349.00  $ 0.00


  Thank you for choosing AppleCare for the repair of your Apple Product. To 
ensure the highest level of quality and reliability, all work is performed 
by AppleCare certified technicians using genuine Apple parts. Additionally, 
all repairs are backed by Apple’s 90-day service limited warranty, or the 
original one-year limited warranty, whichever is longer. Note: The items 
identified above have been exchanged by Apple for new or refurbished parts 
or products. Any applicable cost is indicated adjacent to the part(s) or 
product description. Service parts are subject to tax.

  If you need any future technical or administrative assistance, please 
contact AppleCare Support by calling 1-800-263-3394. Also, answers to many 
questions regarding the operation of your Apple Product can be found at: 
www.apple.com/ca/support/



  Repair Terms and Conditions and be found at 
http://www.apple.com/legal/sales-support/terms/repair/retailservice.html.







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Re: notifications not speaking on lock screen

[Candy Lowe]

Paul, I tried what you said and it worked. I had my messages said to always. I 
changed to never. Then I changed back to always. At first, it didn’t work. Then 
I close out the app switcher and tried again and it worked fine.  thank you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Paul Sandoval  wrote:
> 
> Hi Davy,
> 
> my setting was set to “Always” and it didn’t work, i switched the setting to 
> “never” and back to “Always” and now it works like it used to. 
> I will say that the phone behaved strangely for about 30 seconds when I first 
> switched the setting to “Never”. 
> Hopefully this helps someone.
> Thanks 
> Paul
>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> This is a major bug in ios11. Therefore I do not advise to update if
>> you find this feature important.
>> Regards
>> Davy
>> 
>> 2017-09-24 23:05 GMT+02:00, SSEric :
>>> I have an I phone 6S running iOS 11. My notifications setting is set to
>>> always, and it still is not reading in coming notifications. The interesting
>>> thing is, if voiceover is speaking or something else is playing,
>>> notifications are read as they are coming in.
>>> 
>>> Eric
>>> sseri...@gmail.com
>>> (614) 296-9467
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 4:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm with you, Sieghard; I don't know how this works.
>>> 
>>> Personally, the last thing I want is to have my notifications read, outloud,
>>> automatically.
>>> 
>>> Currently, on my primary iOS 10.33 6 S Plus, I am notified that I have a
>>> notification but in order to hear the text of the notification, on the lock
>>> screen, I must actually touch the display.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 10:09 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: notifications not speaking on lock screen
>>> 
>>> Withis new "Show Preview" setting what is the "Always Speak Notifications"
>>> used for in Voiceover settings? It's been there for many years and while I
>>> have it on, I did turn it off once and don't recall if it made much of a
>>> difference.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Deb Lewis
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 1:35 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: notifications not speaking on lock screen
>>> 
>>> I have previews in notifications set to always and they are still not
>>> reading. I believe it was the default in fact.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 9/23/17, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Go to Settings and choose Notifications. The first setting is Show
 Previews.
 Set it to Always, and your notifications will be spoken as they come in.
 
 HTH,
 Anna
 
 
 
> On Sep 22, 2017, at 8:28 PM, cwc  wrote:
> 
> I have also posted this to Apple. When I spoke with accessibility
> support they said that that was the way they had designed it. I
> explained to her how that was not a practicle option, and asked her
> to pass it on to the technicians. She said that she would. I backed
> it up with an e-mail. I am awaiting their responce.
> 
> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 11:20:26 PM UTC-4, mich wrote:
> Hi this is a bug and it is best to report it to apple. from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Candy Lowe
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 11:00 PM
> To: vip...@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: notifications not speaking on lock screen
> 
> Hello, everyone,
> Since the update to I O S 11, my notifications do not speak on the
> locked
> 
> screen.  I can't remember what the setting is for that, although, it
> was working on I O S 10.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Candy
> 
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RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

[M. Taylor]

Hello Mike,

This is great info.

I guess I misunderstood the question.

Thank you,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike B.
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Mr. Ed,
 
This is where you'll find the setting for when the phone switches to the 
speaker phone when you move the phone away from your ear, & it switches to 
speaker phone.
Settings / General / Accessibility / Voice Over / Audio
 
If you want the phone to switch to the speaker phone when you take the phone 
away from your ear, have this setting turned on.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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- Original Message - 
From: Mr. Ed 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:44 PM
Subject: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Group,
When I receive a call I can hold my iPhone 6s plus away from my face and hold 
the phone flat and the caller will come out of the speaker. Then I can put it 
back up to my ear and it will automatically come out the hear piece speaker. So 
my question is how or where do you turn this feature on to have it do that. I 
have a person that want to turn this feature on . I cannot find it in settings 
as I must not be looking in the correct place. Anyone have any idea’s as to 
where I turn this on at?
Mr. Ed
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RE: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

[M. Taylor]

Hello Ed,

As far as I am aware, what you are describing is a function of the proximity 
sensor located near the earpiece of the phone.  

Unless one is using an ill-fitting case that disrupts the proximity sensor 
functionality, what you describe will always occur.  

For the record, I have seen many, many cases that interfere with the correct 
functioning of the proximity sensor.  Usually, these are the cases that one can 
purchase from Amazon for under $4 or the ones that are sold in shopping mall 
kiosks.  

The best way to test to see if the proximity sensor is working is to remove any 
case and make a call.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Group,
When I receive a call I can hold my iPhone 6s plus away from my face and hold 
the phone flat and the caller will come out of the speaker. Then I can put it 
back up to my ear and it will automatically come out the hear piece speaker. So 
my question is how or where do you turn this feature on to have it do that. I 
have a person that want to turn this feature on . I cannot find it in settings 
as I must not be looking in the correct place. Anyone have any idea’s as to 
where I turn this on at?
Mr. Ed
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Fwd: Your Apple Store Work Authorization & Service Confirmation

[Simon Wong]

Hi, how do I know which phone I have based on the message below:

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Apple Sainte-Catherine 
> Date: August 26, 2017 at 6:14:35 PM GMT-4
> To: simonwo...@sympatico.ca
> Subject: Your Apple Store Work Authorization & Service Confirmation
> Reply-To: donotre...@apple.com
> 
> Thank you for visiting the Apple Store. Below is a copy of your service 
> record.
> Apple Sainte-Catherine
> 26-Aug-17
> (514) 906 8400
> Genius Bar Work Authorization & Service Confirmation
> 
> Repair No: R246239909
> Customer Information
> Product Information
> Simon WongWarranty Status: Protection Plan (A2)
> CAN   Model: IPHONE 5S
> Date of Purchase: 09-May-16
> Serial No: DX3PJ4ACFFFM
> IMEI: 013990005457418
> Problem Description/Diagnosis
> Issue: Display separating due to swollen battery. Speaker phone not functional
> Steps to Reproduce: Visually confirmed
> Cosmetic Condition: Separating display, no damage.
> Contact Apple Support Case: 100271915006
> 
> Employee 204235895
> 
> Repair Estimate
> Item Number   Description Price   Amount Due  Customer KBB
> 661-7718  iPhone 5s, GSM, 32GB, Gold
> Replacement Serial No: F97SQ01WFFFM
> Replacement IMEI: 013968007687927 $ 0.00  $ 0.00  
> S5140Z/A  iPhone 5s/SE, Flat Rate Repair  $ 349.00
> $ 0.00  
> Tax   $ 0.00
> Total $ 349.00$ 0.00
> 
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> 
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RE: Strange voice feadback problem.

[M. Taylor]

Hello Jim,

The issue you describe has been long documented in the Apple bug reporting 
system.  

Yes, sometimes, after disabling VoiceOver, a user will hear actual letters 
being spoken as they type.  When this happens, just reboot the phone.  

This bug has been around for a very, very long time--since iOS 8, at least.

Mark
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jim Noseworthy
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 3:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Strange voice feadback problem.

Hi Gang:

I have a client who has the following problem:  when he turns off Voiceover, he 
is still able to hear keyboard letters when he touches them. This is the case 
in all fieles EG, Messages, notes, etc.

Any help would be appreciated all over the place.



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RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

[M. Taylor]

Hello Sieghard,

You are quite right.  One has to actually double-tap and hold on the precise 
icon/button in order to move it.

Whether one has to double-tap and hold or long-press the button may depend upon 
the status of the 3D touch setting.  Just a guess on that as I have not 
experimented with it.

Mark

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Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

It is not the Store button, initially thought that was the one as well.
First of all, make sure you are in an iMessage not a regular text message.
Now, once you are in the edit field, swipe left once and you land on a button 
called "Messaging Apps", that is the one you want.
I tried to do a double tap and hold and swipe down after I put focus on that 
button and that for me at least didn't work. I had to actually find the button 
on the screen, then do a double tap and hold and swipe down when I was on that 
spot.
If that is the same for you, just move your finger left from the edit field and 
you'll find it, if you go past it on the very outside and to the left of that 
button is the "Attach Media" button.

Regards,
Sieghard



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Kimberly
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

Which button are we pressing and holding on? When I press and hold on the store 
button in that message doc nothing happens. Thanks for any assistance.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> Try a long press instead of double-tap and hold. I had to do that on my 
> iPHone 7 to make it work.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark. I just tried this on my 8 plus and it didn't seem to work. I double 
>> tapping and holding then swiping down but nothing changed with regard to 
>> that annoying dock. This should be an option under messages in settings IMHO.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 8:55 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,  
>> 
>> As I loaned out my 6 S Plus running iOS 11, I cannot determine if there is a 
>> VoiceOver gesture that will allow the same option that is described in the 
>> article, below, but wanted to post the article anyway so that you know that 
>> it is possible to hide the iMessage App Doc, permanently, so long as you do 
>> not change iMessage apps.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> CNET How To - Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:06 AM Hide the annoying app 
>> dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
>> 
>> One of the new features in Messages on iOS 11 is a dedicated app dock for 
>> your iMessage apps. You've undoubtedly seen it since updating earlier this 
>> week -- it's a row of app icons at the bottom of the screen each and every 
>> time you open a conversation.
>> 
>> I've seen a lot of complaints on Twitter, and have been asked privately a 
>> few times about hiding it. At first, I didn't think it was possible. Then I 
>> found the answer on Reddit.
>> 
>> Hide the app dock by placing your finger on the App Store icon next to the 
>> text field, and swipe down. 
>> 
>> Poof, it's gone.
>> 
>> There's a caveat, because of course there is. If you use an iMessage app in 
>> the future, the dock comes back. But you can repeat the quick gesture to get 
>> rid of it again.
>> 
>> Original Article At:
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/hide-the-annoying-app-dock-in-ios-11s-messages-a
>> pp/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>> 
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RE: Voice over and zoom bug

[M. Taylor]

Thank you for posting this valuable information, Douglas.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Douglas Cameron
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 9:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voice over and zoom bug

Hey guys! Wanted to let ya’ll know about a bug that is in iOS 11, one that 
occurred during the beta, and was worked out; however reappeared in the final 
release.

If you are both a VO user and a zoom user, you can not have both enabled at the 
same time, or you will be unable to enter your home screen into edit mode. The 
current and only work around for this bug is to have zoom added to triple click 
home, and turn it on and off as required.
Hope this is fixed soon; however, this is the best work around until it is 
solved. Personally, I find it rather amusing now that I solved the issue; 
however, it is a serious pain.

Doug


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RE: 7 settings to change right away on iOS 11 - CNET

[M. Taylor]

You are quite welcome, Sadam.  

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sadam Ahmed
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; M. Taylor
Subject: Re: 7 settings to change right away on iOS 11 - CNET


Hi Mark  Taylor,

This is gold!

Many thanks for posting.

Sadam Ahmed

On 25/09/2017 4:28 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Hello my friend.  As usual, you are absolutely correct.  Only the newer 
> devices have the option to save media in an enhanced, compressed format.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 7:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: 7 settings to change right away on iOS 11 - CNET
>
> I did not have a "Format" option in Settings > Camera on my 6S Plus. I assume 
> this requires newer hardware?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 5:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: 7 settings to change right away on iOS 11 - CNET
>
> CNET How To - Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 8:28 AM
> 7 settings to change right away on iOS 11 - CNET iOS 11 adds a bevy of new 
> features and interface tweaks to your iPhone (and even more changes for your 
> iPad). After opening your new iPhone or upgrading your current iPhone, here 
> are the settings to check or change straight away.
>
> Do Not Disturb While Driving
> Given the frightening number of drivers I see each and every day with their 
> eyes not on the road but in their laps, this might be the best new feature of 
> iOS 11. It keeps calls, texts and notifications from distracting you when you 
> are behind the wheel. After you install iOS 11, one of the setup screens will 
> ask you if you want to enable Do Not Disturb While Driving.
>   
> Now Playing: Watch this: Change these iOS 11 settings right away
> 2:36
> If you ignored it during setup, you can enable it by going to Settings > Do 
> Not Disturb. You can set it to turn on automatically when your phone detects 
> that you are driving, when connected to your car's Bluetooth or manually.
> (For the latter, I suggest adding the Do Not Disturb While Driving button to 
> the new Control Center.) You can also edit the auto-reply message that gets 
> sent to anyone that texts you while you're driving.
>   
> You can set when Do Not Disturb While Driving turns on.
> Screenshot by Matt Elliott/CNET
> Customize the new Control Center
> The Control Center received a makeover with iOS 11. All of its shortcuts now 
> fit into a single panel, and you can customize its offerings and the order in 
> which they appear. There are also hidden features for many Control Center 
> buttons that you can access via a long press or Force Touch. Read more on how 
> to customize the revamped Control Center.
>   
> The Control Center is now customizable.
> Screenshot by Matt Elliott/CNET
> Check your storage
> Apple knows the pain you feel when your iPhone tells you it's running short 
> on space and offers a few new ways to help manage your storage space. Head to 
> Settings > General > iPhone Storage and you'll see a colorful chart at the 
> top that illustrates how much free space you have left and what's taking up 
> the space you are using.
> Below that, it'll make a few recommendations about how to save storage, 
> including the newfound ability to Offload Unused Apps. With that setting 
> enabled, iOS 11 will jettison apps you haven't touched in a while when you 
> are running low on storage space. Don't worry, iOS 11 will save all of the 
> data and documents associated with the app so you can pick right up where you 
> left off when you reinstall them.
>   
> Apps that you haven't used in a while can be deleted automatically when you 
> need the space.
> Screenshot by Matt Elliott/CNET
> Check your file format
> One of the biggest changes with iOS 11 happens behind the scenes to save you 
> storage space. Apple is moving to a new file format for photos and videos 
> that results in smaller file sizes. Photos use the HEIF format and videos use 
> the HEVC format.
> In the iOS 11 beta, my iPhone did not switch to the new formats by default.
> To see what format your iPhone is set to capture photos and videos, go to 
> Settings > Camera > Formats and choose High Efficiency to use the new HEIF 
> and HEVC formats or choose Most Compatible to continue using the JPEG and
> H.264 formats.
>   
> You can try the new photo file format by picking the High Efficiency option.
> Screenshot by Matt Elliott/CNET
> Find the Files app
> Finally, iOS has added a file-management system where you can see all of your 
> files instead of hunting for them across different apps. The new Files app 
> lets you manage the files not only stored in Apple's own iCloud Drive but 
> also le

RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

[Marcia Yale]

It doesn’t have 3-D touch, but the app in focus always opens for me. The 
strange thing is that I can get the gesture to work to invoke a share page, but 
not to get into editing mode. I just wish they would have left the other mode 
alone—add this one for those who want it but keep the other process for those 
of us who like it! I know, I’m dreaming!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

That shouldn’t apply to her iPod Touch, I don’t think even the sixth generation 
iPod Touch has 3D touch, but then again I haven’t kept up too much with the 
iPod Touch devices.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Panarese
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

   As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
took me a few tries to get the hang of it.

 


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On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir  wrote:

 

Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed of 
double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the second 
tap. 

 

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale  wrote:

I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
won't be present.

Marcia Yale
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RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

[M. Taylor]

Hello Richard,

I cannot reproduce your findings.  

Is it possible you have the Zoom view enabled in display settings?  Note that 
this is not the same as the accessibility Zoom tool but the Zoom that is 
offered in conjunction with Standard view in the display settings area.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

Mark, 
While it is true that gesture works, did you try to reply to an email after 
doing that?
On my iPod Touch 6, the buttons at the bottom of an email also disappeared.

I had to go back to messages and double tap on messaging apps button to get 
them back.
Richard


(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Sep 24, 2017, at 11:29 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
Hello Sieghard,

Having my 6 S Plus back, I am delighted to report that a VoiceOver user can 
easily dismiss the iMessage App Doc located in the bottom row of a conversation.

To do this:

1.
Open a conversation in the iMessage app.

2.
Just to the right of the Add Media button, you will find the Messages App 
Button.  

3.
Single-finger, double-tap and hold this button and swipe down towards the 
bottom of the display.  That's all there is to it.

Please note that the Messages app button is not located on the bottom row of 
the display but on the same row as the add media button, just above the Dock.

Good Luck,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 7:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

Hmm, if this means the one Voiceover reads as "Store" which I get to if I swipe 
right once after the Sent button (or Record if it's an iMessage) then I don't 
know how you can swipe down, it is already at the very bottom left of the 
screen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 5:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

Hello Everyone,  

As I loaned out my 6 S Plus running iOS 11, I cannot determine if there is a 
VoiceOver gesture that will allow the same option that is described in the 
article, below, but wanted to post the article anyway so that you know that it 
is possible to hide the iMessage App Doc, permanently, so long as you do not 
change iMessage apps.

Mark

CNET How To - Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:06 AM Hide the annoying app 
dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

One of the new features in Messages on iOS 11 is a dedicated app dock for your 
iMessage apps. You've undoubtedly seen it since updating earlier this week -- 
it's a row of app icons at the bottom of the screen each and every time you 
open a conversation.

I've seen a lot of complaints on Twitter, and have been asked privately a few 
times about hiding it. At first, I didn't think it was possible. Then I found 
the answer on Reddit.

Hide the app dock by placing your finger on the App Store icon next to the text 
field, and swipe down. 

Poof, it's gone.

There's a caveat, because of course there is. If you use an iMessage app in the 
future, the dock comes back. But you can repeat the quick gesture to get rid of 
it again.

Original Article At:
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/hide-the-annoying-app-dock-in-ios-11s-messages-a
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Re: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

[Mike B.]

Hi Mr. Ed,

This is where you'll find the setting for when the phone switches to the 
speaker phone when you move the phone away from your ear, & it switches to 
speaker phone.

Settings / General / Accessibility / Voice Over / Audio

If you want the phone to switch to the speaker phone when you take the phone 
away from your ear, have this setting turned on.
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Subject: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.


Hi Group,

When I receive a call I can hold my iPhone 6s plus away from my face and 
hold the phone flat and the caller will come out of the speaker. Then I can 
put it back up to my ear and it will automatically come out the hear piece 
speaker. So my question is how or where do you turn this feature on to have 
it do that. I have a person that want to turn this feature on . I cannot 
find it in settings as I must not be looking in the correct place. Anyone 
have any idea’s as to where I turn this on at?

Mr. Ed


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Re: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

[Simon Wong]

Also check in audio settings.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 8:53 PM, Simon Wong  wrote:
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> Yes, it's in call audio routing.
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>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 8:44 PM, Mr. Ed  wrote:
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>> Hi Group,
>> When I receive a call I can hold my iPhone 6s plus away from my face and 
>> hold the phone flat and the caller will come out of the speaker. Then I can 
>> put it back up to my ear and it will automatically come out the hear piece 
>> speaker. So my question is how or where do you turn this feature on to have 
>> it do that. I have a person that want to turn this feature on . I cannot 
>> find it in settings as I must not be looking in the correct place. Anyone 
>> have any idea’s as to where I turn this on at?
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Re: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

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Yes, it's in call audio routing.

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> Hi Group,
> When I receive a call I can hold my iPhone 6s plus away from my face and hold 
> the phone flat and the caller will come out of the speaker. Then I can put it 
> back up to my ear and it will automatically come out the hear piece speaker. 
> So my question is how or where do you turn this feature on to have it do 
> that. I have a person that want to turn this feature on . I cannot find it in 
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> idea’s as to where I turn this on at?
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Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

[John Panarese]

   No, I don't think it does. I have an iPod Touch and I don't think it has 3D 
Touch.


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> On Sep 25, 2017, at 8:39 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> That shouldn’t apply to her iPod Touch, I don’t think even the sixth 
> generation iPod Touch has 3D touch, but then again I haven’t kept up too much 
> with the iPod Touch devices.
>  
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>As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
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> Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
> Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
> hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
> finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
> apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
> taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
> have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
> with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed 
> of double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the 
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> before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
> hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
> in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
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Re: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

[MamaPeach]

I hate it and would love to know how to turn it off. Any ideas? I have looked 
everywhere.

From: Mr. Ed 
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

Hi Group,

When I receive a call I can hold my iPhone 6s plus away from my face and hold 
the phone flat and the caller will come out of the speaker. Then I can put it 
back up to my ear and it will automatically come out the hear piece speaker. So 
my question is how or where do you turn this feature on to have it do that. I 
have a person that want to turn this feature on . I cannot find it in settings 
as I must not be looking in the correct place. Anyone have any idea’s as to 
where I turn this on at?

Mr. Ed

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How to turn speaker on when holding phone away from face.

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Group,

When I receive a call I can hold my iPhone 6s plus away from my face and
hold the phone flat and the caller will come out of the speaker. Then I can
put it back up to my ear and it will automatically come out the hear piece
speaker. So my question is how or where do you turn this feature on to have
it do that. I have a person that want to turn this feature on . I cannot
find it in settings as I must not be looking in the correct place. Anyone
have any idea's as to where I turn this on at?

Mr. Ed

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RE: Strange voice feadback problem.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Jim,

Do you mean he still hears the clicks or does the phone actually speak the 
letters as in A, B, C etc.
Maybe I should ask how he turns off Voiceover. If he hears the clicks then he 
doesn't turn off Voiceover, he just mutes Voiceover with a 3-finger double tap. 
The only ways to turn off Voiceover is to either go to Voiceover settings and 
toggle it off there, to ask SIRI to turn it off or if he has the home button 
configured to do it then he can triple press the home button.

Regards,
Sieghard to

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Strange voice feadback problem.

Hi Gang:

I have a client who has the following problem:  when he turns off Voiceover, he 
is still able to hear keyboard letters when he touches them. This is the case 
in all fieles EG, Messages, notes, etc.

Any help would be appreciated all over the place.



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RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That shouldn’t apply to her iPod Touch, I don’t think even the sixth generation 
iPod Touch has 3D touch, but then again I haven’t kept up too much with the 
iPod Touch devices.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Panarese
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

   As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
took me a few tries to get the hang of it.


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On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir 
mailto:michael.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed of 
double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the second 
tap.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale 
mailto:dragonca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
won't be present.

Marcia Yale
It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize,
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RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Rick,

I have a glass screen protector on my 6S Plus as well, but it could definitely 
be different for different hardware. I think somebody said instead of a double 
tap and hold they did a harder press on the button and swiped down, maybe give 
that a try. I definitely had to tap right on that button for this to work for 
me, it's not like a double tap to activate a button where after the button has 
focus you can tap anywhere at least that did not work for me.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Alfaro
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

I guess I just don't have the magic touch any more (lol)

Try as I may, following your tip to the tee, I still couldn't get that doc to 
go away. I have a tempered glass screen protector on my 8 plus. Wonder if it's 
interfering somehow? Or, is this maybe an iphone 8/8plus issue?



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

It is not the Store button, initially thought that was the one as well.
First of all, make sure you are in an iMessage not a regular text message.
Now, once you are in the edit field, swipe left once and you land on a button 
called "Messaging Apps", that is the one you want.
I tried to do a double tap and hold and swipe down after I put focus on that 
button and that for me at least didn't work. I had to actually find the button 
on the screen, then do a double tap and hold and swipe down when I was on that 
spot.
If that is the same for you, just move your finger left from the edit field and 
you'll find it, if you go past it on the very outside and to the left of that 
button is the "Attach Media" button.

Regards,
Sieghard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

Which button are we pressing and holding on? When I press and hold on the store 
button in that message doc nothing happens. Thanks for any assistance.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> Try a long press instead of double-tap and hold. I had to do that on my 
> iPHone 7 to make it work.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark. I just tried this on my 8 plus and it didn't seem to work. I double 
>> tapping and holding then swiping down but nothing changed with regard to 
>> that annoying dock. This should be an option under messages in settings IMHO.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 8:55 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,  
>> 
>> As I loaned out my 6 S Plus running iOS 11, I cannot determine if there is a 
>> VoiceOver gesture that will allow the same option that is described in the 
>> article, below, but wanted to post the article anyway so that you know that 
>> it is possible to hide the iMessage App Doc, permanently, so long as you do 
>> not change iMessage apps.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> CNET How To - Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:06 AM Hide the annoying app 
>> dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
>> 
>> One of the new features in Messages on iOS 11 is a dedicated app dock for 
>> your iMessage apps. You've undoubtedly seen it since updating earlier this 
>> week -- it's a row of app icons at the bottom of the screen each and every 
>> time you open a conversation.
>> 
>> I've seen a lot of complaints on Twitter, and have been asked privately a 
>> few times about hiding it. At first, I didn't think it was possible. Then I 
>> found the answer on Reddit.
>> 
>> Hide the app dock by placing your finger on the App Store icon next to the 
>> text field, and swipe down. 
>> 
>> Poof, it's gone.
>> 
>> There's a caveat, because of course there is. If you use an iMessage app in 
>> the future, the dock comes back. But you can repeat the quick gesture to get 
>> rid of it again.
>> 
>> Original Article At:
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/hide-the-annoying-app-dock-in-ios-11s-messages-a
>> pp/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>> 
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RE: may have missed some things

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Terri,

There is an iPhone 5S and there is an iPhone SE, but there is no iPhone 5SE.
If you ever have a sighted person around and the phone is out of the case you 
could ask somebody to look at the back of the phone. All iPhones have model 
numbers which start with an "A" and then are followed by 4 numbers. Below is a 
list of the model numbers for the 5S and also the iPhone SE.
Really you only need to pay attention to the first two numbers, if your phone 
model starts with A14 or A15 it is an iPhone 5S (first released in the fall of 
2013).
If your model number starts with A16 or A17 you have an iPhone SE (first 
released in March 2016). The SE looks the same as the 5S in size, but it has 
the same processor as the iPhone 6S which was released in the fall of 2015, so 
essentially it is two generations newer than an iPhone 5S although it does not 
have 3D Touch and the Touch Id sensor is the same first generation sensor you 
have in the 5S and 6 whereas the 6S has the slightly faster and more reliable 
second generation fingerprint sensor.

iPhone 5S model numbers (on the back cover):
A1453, A1457, A1518, A1528, A1530, A1533

iPhone SE model numbers (on the back cover):
A1662, A1723, A1724

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Terri Stimmel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 3:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: may have missed some things

Hello Mama Peach, Sieghard, and list,


I just wanted to thank you both for helping me. I really appreciate it.


Right now, I don't feel I need the pass code on. I rarely go to too many 
places. When I do, my phone never leaves my side. So I think for now I am ok 
without this.


Also, I am using a 5SE.

I hope this is helpful?

I will try to remember to mention this, when I write other messages.


And Sieghard, my texts were showing me just what you thought it was. 
That was so very odd!

Thank you for helping me fix it. I don't feel like I am going crazy now. 
LOL!


Terri!


On 9/25/2017 4:08 PM, MamaPeach wrote:
> You can turn passcode off. Go to Settings and then to Touch ID and 
> Passcode. Type in your code and once it lets you in, there is an 
> option to turn it off. It will ask for your passcode again and once 
> you type it in again, it will be turned off and you won't have to 
> enter it again.
>
> -Original Message- From: Terri Stimmel
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: may have missed some things
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> Even though I know I think about going back to my Android. I remember 
> why I found an older iPhone I could afford to purchase.
>
>
> However, I don't pay attention to every thread that comes across. I 
> know I should pay more attention than I do. But I receive a lot of email.
>
>
> First of all, is it absolutely necessary to use the pass code?
>
> If so, why?
>
> Right now I am using 1. But I find it anoying!
>
>
> Also, why when I go to my messages, am I not seeing all of my texts to 
> people?
>
> Why am I only seeing a few?
>
> And why when I go to delete a text or thread, does it put a weird word 
> there? I can't spell it?
>
>
> Also sometimes, I have had to tap on that weird word to see a text. 
> But that's only happened once.
>
>
> So what the heck is going on?
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Terri
>

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Re: rainbow II color identifier now available

[englishrider91]

I recently got the first-generation Rainbow color identifier. What's new, if 
anything, in the second version of this product?


Thanks,
Ari

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Louise Peyton  wrote:
> 
> For the week of Sept. 25-29, it’s $68.  In Oct., charge will be $70.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mr. Ed
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 1:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: rainbow II color identifier now available
>  
> Hi,
> How much is this new unit?
> Mr. Ed
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Reg Sullivan
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: rainbow II color identifier now available
>  
> Martin, give them a phone call.  You will likely get either the visually 
> impaired owner or her husband who did the design for her.
> They are very nice folks to deal with. I have had  two great experiences with 
> them, they are very flexible and will surely let you know what they can and 
> can’t do!
>  
> Reg
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: rainbow II color identifier now available
>  
> Hi
>  
> Do you know if they have a website and if you can order it to be delivered to 
> the U.K.
>  
> Cheers
> Martin
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: 25 September 2017 17:05
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> Subject: rainbow II color identifier now available
>  
> Hello, all:
> For those who’ve inquired about color identifiers, the Rainbow II color 
> reader is now available as of today from Edmondsen Engineering.  Call: (760) 
> 329-0282.  I just purchased one.
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Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

[John Panarese]

   As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
took me a few tries to get the hang of it.


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> On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir  wrote:
> 
> Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
> Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
> hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
> finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
> apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
> taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
> have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
> with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed 
> of double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the 
> second tap. 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale  > wrote:
> I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
> before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
> hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
> in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
> this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
> won't be present.
> 
> Marcia Yale
> It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize,
> accept, and celebrate those differences.
> Audre Lorde
> 
> 
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Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

[Michael Feir]

Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture.
Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until
you hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that,
life your finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to
drag and drop apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time
during which two taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would
be helpful if you have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works
fine for you other than with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend
changing the acceptable speed of double-tapping though. The trick is not to
raise your finger after the second tap.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale  wrote:

> I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
> before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
> hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
> in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else
> encountered
> this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
> won't be present.
>
> Marcia Yale
> It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize,
> accept, and celebrate those differences.
> Audre Lorde
>
>
>
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IOS11 and moving apps not working

[Marcia Yale]

I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
won't be present.

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RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

[Rick Alfaro]

I guess I just don't have the magic touch any more (lol)

Try as I may, following your tip to the tee, I still couldn't get that doc to 
go away. I have a tempered glass screen protector on my 8 plus. Wonder if it's 
interfering somehow? Or, is this maybe an iphone 8/8plus issue?



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

It is not the Store button, initially thought that was the one as well.
First of all, make sure you are in an iMessage not a regular text message.
Now, once you are in the edit field, swipe left once and you land on a button 
called "Messaging Apps", that is the one you want.
I tried to do a double tap and hold and swipe down after I put focus on that 
button and that for me at least didn't work. I had to actually find the button 
on the screen, then do a double tap and hold and swipe down when I was on that 
spot.
If that is the same for you, just move your finger left from the edit field and 
you'll find it, if you go past it on the very outside and to the left of that 
button is the "Attach Media" button.

Regards,
Sieghard



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

Which button are we pressing and holding on? When I press and hold on the store 
button in that message doc nothing happens. Thanks for any assistance.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> Try a long press instead of double-tap and hold. I had to do that on my 
> iPHone 7 to make it work.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark. I just tried this on my 8 plus and it didn't seem to work. I double 
>> tapping and holding then swiping down but nothing changed with regard to 
>> that annoying dock. This should be an option under messages in settings IMHO.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 8:55 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,  
>> 
>> As I loaned out my 6 S Plus running iOS 11, I cannot determine if there is a 
>> VoiceOver gesture that will allow the same option that is described in the 
>> article, below, but wanted to post the article anyway so that you know that 
>> it is possible to hide the iMessage App Doc, permanently, so long as you do 
>> not change iMessage apps.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> CNET How To - Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:06 AM Hide the annoying app 
>> dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
>> 
>> One of the new features in Messages on iOS 11 is a dedicated app dock for 
>> your iMessage apps. You've undoubtedly seen it since updating earlier this 
>> week -- it's a row of app icons at the bottom of the screen each and every 
>> time you open a conversation.
>> 
>> I've seen a lot of complaints on Twitter, and have been asked privately a 
>> few times about hiding it. At first, I didn't think it was possible. Then I 
>> found the answer on Reddit.
>> 
>> Hide the app dock by placing your finger on the App Store icon next to the 
>> text field, and swipe down. 
>> 
>> Poof, it's gone.
>> 
>> There's a caveat, because of course there is. If you use an iMessage app in 
>> the future, the dock comes back. But you can repeat the quick gesture to get 
>> rid of it again.
>> 
>> Original Article At:
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/hide-the-annoying-app-dock-in-ios-11s-messages-a
>> pp/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>> 
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Re: notifications not speaking on lock screen

[Paul Sandoval]

Hi Davy,

my setting was set to “Always” and it didn’t work, i switched the setting to 
“never” and back to “Always” and now it works like it used to. 
I will say that the phone behaved strangely for about 30 seconds when I first 
switched the setting to “Never”. 
Hopefully this helps someone.
Thanks 
Paul
> On Sep 25, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> This is a major bug in ios11. Therefore I do not advise to update if
> you find this feature important.
> Regards
> Davy
> 
> 2017-09-24 23:05 GMT+02:00, SSEric :
>> I have an I phone 6S running iOS 11. My notifications setting is set to
>> always, and it still is not reading in coming notifications. The interesting
>> thing is, if voiceover is speaking or something else is playing,
>> notifications are read as they are coming in.
>> 
>> Eric
>> sseri...@gmail.com
>> (614) 296-9467
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 4:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm with you, Sieghard; I don't know how this works.
>> 
>> Personally, the last thing I want is to have my notifications read, outloud,
>> automatically.
>> 
>> Currently, on my primary iOS 10.33 6 S Plus, I am notified that I have a
>> notification but in order to hear the text of the notification, on the lock
>> screen, I must actually touch the display.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 10:09 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: notifications not speaking on lock screen
>> 
>> Withis new "Show Preview" setting what is the "Always Speak Notifications"
>> used for in Voiceover settings? It's been there for many years and while I
>> have it on, I did turn it off once and don't recall if it made much of a
>> difference.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Deb Lewis
>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 1:35 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: notifications not speaking on lock screen
>> 
>> I have previews in notifications set to always and they are still not
>> reading. I believe it was the default in fact.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/23/17, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Go to Settings and choose Notifications. The first setting is Show
>>> Previews.
>>> Set it to Always, and your notifications will be spoken as they come in.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 22, 2017, at 8:28 PM, cwc  wrote:
 
 I have also posted this to Apple. When I spoke with accessibility
 support they said that that was the way they had designed it. I
 explained to her how that was not a practicle option, and asked her
 to pass it on to the technicians. She said that she would. I backed
 it up with an e-mail. I am awaiting their responce.
 
 On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 11:20:26 PM UTC-4, mich wrote:
 Hi this is a bug and it is best to report it to apple. from Mich.
 
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 From: Candy Lowe
 Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 11:00 PM
 To: vip...@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: notifications not speaking on lock screen
 
 Hello, everyone,
 Since the update to I O S 11, my notifications do not speak on the
 locked
 
 screen.  I can't remember what the setting is for that, although, it
 was working on I O S 10.  Any suggestions?
 
 Candy
 
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Re: Creating mail foldersGood morning everyone, good morning everyone, I have lots of emails I would like to save but would very much like to get them out of my inbox. Is it possible to create folde

[Donna Neff]

Hi Tom,

Thanks so much! The information you gave was incredibly helpful! Exactly what I 
needed. I’m going to give creating folders a try now.

Again, thank you very much.

Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Donna,
> Adding new message folders is simple and straightforward.  Here’s what you do:
> 1. While in any mailbox, locate the Back button and double-tap it to get to 
> your list of mailboxes.
> 2. Double-tap the Edit button.
> 3. At the end of your folder list is a New Folder button. Locate the New 
> Folder button and double-tap.
> 4. Locate the text field where you can type the desired folder name, 
> double-tap on that field to open it and type the name for the new folder. 
> 5. Near the upper right corner of the screen is a Save button. Double-tap 
> that button and the new folder is created.
> 6. Back at the Mailboxes list, double-tap the Done button, which should be 
> above the list of mailboxes. That takes you out of edit mode, and you can 
> then open your inbox.
> 
> When you’re back at your inbox, double-tap the Edit button. Double-tap  each 
> message or message thread that you want to move.  Navigate to the very bottom 
> of the list and double-tap the Move button.  In the resulting dialog,  
> double-tap the name of your newly-created folder and all of the selected 
> items should be moved.
> 
> I hope this helps. Let us know how it goes.
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 8:02 AM, Donna Neff  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: may have missed some things

[MamaPeach]

If you are ever anywhere where you want to use passcode, just set one and 
then it can always be turned off. It is safer to use it when you are out. 
You never know when you might accidentally drop your phone or something.


-Original Message- 
From: Terri Stimmel

Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: may have missed some things

Hello Mama Peach, Sieghard, and list,


I just wanted to thank you both for helping me. I really appreciate it.


Right now, I don't feel I need the pass code on. I rarely go to too many
places. When I do, my phone never leaves my side. So I think for now I
am ok without this.


Also, I am using a 5SE.

I hope this is helpful?

I will try to remember to mention this, when I write other messages.


And Sieghard, my texts were showing me just what you thought it was.
That was so very odd!

Thank you for helping me fix it. I don't feel like I am going crazy now.
LOL!


Terri!


On 9/25/2017 4:08 PM, MamaPeach wrote:

You can turn passcode off. Go to Settings and then to Touch ID and
Passcode. Type in your code and once it lets you in, there is an
option to turn it off. It will ask for your passcode again and once
you type it in again, it will be turned off and you won't have to
enter it again.

-Original Message- From: Terri Stimmel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: may have missed some things

Hello everyone,


Even though I know I think about going back to my Android. I remember
why I found an older iPhone I could afford to purchase.


However, I don't pay attention to every thread that comes across. I know
I should pay more attention than I do. But I receive a lot of email.


First of all, is it absolutely necessary to use the pass code?

If so, why?

Right now I am using 1. But I find it anoying!


Also, why when I go to my messages, am I not seeing all of my texts to
people?

Why am I only seeing a few?

And why when I go to delete a text or thread, does it put a weird word
there? I can't spell it?


Also sometimes, I have had to tap on that weird word to see a text. But
that's only happened once.


So what the heck is going on?


Thank you,


Terri



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Re: may have missed some things

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello Mama Peach, Sieghard, and list,


I just wanted to thank you both for helping me. I really appreciate it.


Right now, I don't feel I need the pass code on. I rarely go to too many 
places. When I do, my phone never leaves my side. So I think for now I 
am ok without this.


Also, I am using a 5SE.

I hope this is helpful?

I will try to remember to mention this, when I write other messages.


And Sieghard, my texts were showing me just what you thought it was. 
That was so very odd!

Thank you for helping me fix it. I don't feel like I am going crazy now. 
LOL!


Terri!


On 9/25/2017 4:08 PM, MamaPeach wrote:
> You can turn passcode off. Go to Settings and then to Touch ID and 
> Passcode. Type in your code and once it lets you in, there is an 
> option to turn it off. It will ask for your passcode again and once 
> you type it in again, it will be turned off and you won't have to 
> enter it again.
>
> -Original Message- From: Terri Stimmel
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: may have missed some things
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> Even though I know I think about going back to my Android. I remember
> why I found an older iPhone I could afford to purchase.
>
>
> However, I don't pay attention to every thread that comes across. I know
> I should pay more attention than I do. But I receive a lot of email.
>
>
> First of all, is it absolutely necessary to use the pass code?
>
> If so, why?
>
> Right now I am using 1. But I find it anoying!
>
>
> Also, why when I go to my messages, am I not seeing all of my texts to
> people?
>
> Why am I only seeing a few?
>
> And why when I go to delete a text or thread, does it put a weird word
> there? I can't spell it?
>
>
> Also sometimes, I have had to tap on that weird word to see a text. But
> that's only happened once.
>
>
> So what the heck is going on?
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Terri
>

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Re: Creating mail foldersGood morning everyone, good morning everyone, I have lots of emails I would like to save but would very much like to get them out of my inbox. Is it possible to create folde

[Tom Lange]

Hi Donna,
Adding new message folders is simple and straightforward.  Here’s what you do:
1. While in any mailbox, locate the Back button and double-tap it to get to 
your list of mailboxes.
2. Double-tap the Edit button.
3. At the end of your folder list is a New Folder button. Locate the New Folder 
button and double-tap.
4. Locate the text field where you can type the desired folder name, double-tap 
on that field to open it and type the name for the new folder. 
5. Near the upper right corner of the screen is a Save button. Double-tap that 
button and the new folder is created.
6. Back at the Mailboxes list, double-tap the Done button, which should be 
above the list of mailboxes. That takes you out of edit mode, and you can then 
open your inbox.

When you’re back at your inbox, double-tap the Edit button. Double-tap  each 
message or message thread that you want to move.  Navigate to the very bottom 
of the list and double-tap the Move button.  In the resulting dialog,  
double-tap the name of your newly-created folder and all of the selected items 
should be moved.

I hope this helps. Let us know how it goes.

Tom


Sent from my iPhone 7

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 8:02 AM, Donna Neff  wrote:
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> 
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Strange voice feadback problem.

[Jim Noseworthy]

Hi Gang:

I have a client who has the following problem:  when he turns off Voiceover, he 
is still able to hear keyboard letters when he touches them. This is the case 
in all fieles EG, Messages, notes, etc.

Any help would be appreciated all over the place.



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Re: iPhone 8 and speaker lightly crackling

[Anthony Vece]

This happens in particular when I am using AIRA.


> On Sep 25, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Kimberly  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I have a 7.
> 
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> 
> On Sep 25, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Debby  > wrote:
> 
>> Kimber, but you are using a 7 right? I have an 8. If that’s true then it has 
>> something to do with how the Blindfold games interact with iOS 11.
>>  
>> Debby
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Kimberly
>> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:17 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 8 and speaker lightly crackling
>>  
>> That is true in my case anyway. I only hear the crackling during my play a 
>> blindfold solitaire.
>> 
>> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel > > wrote:
>> 
>> I was under the impression Debbie and Kimber experience this during just 
>> this one game and not normally.
>>  
>>   <>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Sadam Ahmed
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:31 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Debby 
>> mailto:dm-h...@comcast.net>>
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 8 and speaker lightly crackling
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> Hi Kimber and Debbie, 
>> 
>> I was just on the phone with Dell pro support via way of my iPhone. 
>> 
>> This time, I could definitelyhear crackling noises coming from the 
>> earpiece of the device. 
>> 
>> My iPad pro also seems to exhibit this alarming behavior. 
>> 
>> I am going to run the iOS diagnostic software from Apple's express 
>> support channel  but it's looking like a hardware issue contrary   to what I 
>> posted earlier. 
>> 
>> Sadam 
>>  
>> On 24/09/2017 10:38 PM, Debby wrote:
>> Hi Kimber,
>>  
>> Are you running iOS 11? Were you using the Blindfold games?
>>  
>> Thanks to everyone for there thoughts on this.
>>  
>> Debby
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Kimberly
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 3:49 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 8 and speaker lightly crackling
>>  
>> I’ve been seeing similar behavior on my iPhone 7 and was concerned that my 
>> speaker was going. So this may indeed be a software issue.
>> 
>> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 23, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Debby > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>>  
>> I received my iPhone 8 yesterday, and I finally have it mostly set up, 
>> actually it did most of the work. But when I play Blindfold games like 
>> Solitaire and Color Crush, the speaker lightly crackles. It is almost as if 
>> my finger moving around the screen is causing the speaker to have static. I 
>> turned off the background music in Solitaire, and it is somewhat better, but 
>> not gone. I have restarted the phone, restarted voiceover, turned off audio 
>> ducking, changed the speed and pitch of the voices and it is still there. I 
>> played music from the music app and moved around the screen while the music 
>> was playing and no crackle. The only other place I heard it was a tiny bit 
>> in Seeing AI.
>>  
>> Has anyone else experienced the problem? My bet is that it is a software 
>> problem, but if it is the hardware, then a trip to the Verizon store will be 
>> in order.
>>  
>> Thanks!
>>  
>> Debby
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Re: enable and disabling watch digital crown.

[Anthony Vece]

Even I am capable of making mistakes.


> On Sep 25, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anthony,
> 
> You say "I don't believe you can." What does this refer to?
> If it refers to the question about enabling digital crown navigation then 
> Mark had already explained when he asked whether this was still available in 
> Watch OS 4 how to enable it.
> Larry asked because I assume he didn't read Mark's message or didn't read it 
> carefully, that is why I answered that you enable it with a 2-finger triple 
> tap on the watch.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Anthony Vece
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:40 AM
> To: Blind iPhone MailingList 
> Subject: Re: enable and disabling watch digital crown.
> 
> I don’t believe you can.
> 
> I spoke with Apple’s Accessibility department and, they could not tell me how.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 7:24 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
>> 
>> Got it! Thanks
>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A 2-finger triple tap
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Of Larry Smith
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 3:45 PM
>>> To: 'Ming' via VIPhone 
>>> Subject: enable and disabling watch digital crown.
>>> 
>>> How do you enable and disable the digital crown on the apple watch? Thanks
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RE: ... DIFFICULTIES WITH INCREASING LACK OF SPEECH FROM PHONE RESULTING IN TOTAL FAILURE OF 6SE

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Carol,

I know this may not be of much help, but for whatever it is worth I have 
absolutely no issues with Voiceover disappearing on my 6S Plus, it wasn't a 
concern in iOS 10 and it is not a concern in iOS 11. OK, after the update 
Voiceover was gone once, but it was simply a volume issue and pressing the 
volume up button 5 or 6 times brought the volume level back up and it hasn't 
happened since.
It really does seem like people who set a SIRI voice as their default voice 
have problems with this, I suggest you set another voice as your default and if 
you want to use SIRI, add that as a rotor language. You can then switch to it 
by turning your rotor to Languages and flick up or down.
I have done this with the new american femal SIRI voice because she does sound 
veryt nice although she is too slow for me for every-day use. But I do like her 
for reading maybe news articles and so on and once I select her she stays 
selected until I go back to my default. She even stays selected if you turn 
Voiceover off and back on, I assume completely rebooting the phone may reset 
the voice to your default, but I only reboot my phone maybe once a month so 
that wouldn't bother me too much.
I assume you tried this, but have you plugged I n the Earpods or another wired 
headset to see if there is sound?

Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: ... DIFFICULTIES WITH INCREASING LACK OF SPEECH FROM PHONE RESULTING 
IN TOTAL FAILURE OF 6SE

I upgraded to iOS11 last night and certainly shouldn't have done so. I felt too 
tired and weary to battle with iTunes (my dreaded hate) so decided to do 
without since I've never been locked out with the over the air download.


It went well and I was back in successfully, having got rather bogged down with 
all the prelimnaries and did in fact set up the UK Siri female voice which was 
working OK for the short time I used it.


I decided to have another go at the Touch ID as I was setting up but still 
didn't get more than a couple of prints accepted. (I never can!) I gave it up 
and, very soon after this, came the problem!


I lost all speech (as I have several times lately) and *before* moving to 
iOS11! I have always eventually got in after these occasions, but sometimes 
it's taxed me when it comes to get VO to be turned on/off in appropriate places 
and correctly and the odd wrestle with volumes also! 
I have not been in a position to take my phone into the store and of course 
couldn't choose to stop using it ...


I tried recovery mode eventually without success and so I moved to the other 
computer in the house, installed iTunes and tried again! (Silly girl!)


This time my (still dead) iPhone 6 did sort of work in that it offered 
to download my music from the phone to the new iTunes on the second 
computer! Great! I thought that at least I'd have something I could use 
to salvich some of the messs!


However, I still couldn't get any speech and, because I know I have to 
just wait Apple's help to do anything further, I thought at the very 
least I'd best check up just how many folk have wrestled with 
intermittent and ever increasing voice loss even before iOS11?


In fact, it's probably best if you have that you go directly to Apple to 
alert them, as I shall do just as soon as I have enough things sorted to 
be able to do that!


Before you all offer suggestions as to how I might manage to get back 
in, let me just say that I am pretty sure I have exhausted everyone for 
one reason or another. In fact, I could well have made more progress if 
the 4S had a sim installed so I could make calls, retrieve forgotten 
information etc, but I'm not any good at changing sims so this must wait 
at least until tomorrow and, again, my only reason for writing this was 
not to expect anyone to be trying to find things I haven't done (or 
can't anyway) but to suggest that all those who have experienced 
anything like a part of this problem with VO dying should just let Apple 
know about it before you crash also!


I am beginning to think that some of this iPhone stuff is just getting 
too complicated for me now! Problem is, I can't do without it!  
Thanks to those who have read to the end!

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RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It is not the Store button, initially thought that was the one as well.
First of all, make sure you are in an iMessage not a regular text message.
Now, once you are in the edit field, swipe left once and you land on a button 
called "Messaging Apps", that is the one you want.
I tried to do a double tap and hold and swipe down after I put focus on that 
button and that for me at least didn't work. I had to actually find the button 
on the screen, then do a double tap and hold and swipe down when I was on that 
spot.
If that is the same for you, just move your finger left from the edit field and 
you'll find it, if you go past it on the very outside and to the left of that 
button is the "Attach Media" button.

Regards,
Sieghard



-Original Message-
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Kimberly
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

Which button are we pressing and holding on? When I press and hold on the store 
button in that message doc nothing happens. Thanks for any assistance.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> Try a long press instead of double-tap and hold. I had to do that on my 
> iPHone 7 to make it work.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark. I just tried this on my 8 plus and it didn't seem to work. I double 
>> tapping and holding then swiping down but nothing changed with regard to 
>> that annoying dock. This should be an option under messages in settings IMHO.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 8:55 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,  
>> 
>> As I loaned out my 6 S Plus running iOS 11, I cannot determine if there is a 
>> VoiceOver gesture that will allow the same option that is described in the 
>> article, below, but wanted to post the article anyway so that you know that 
>> it is possible to hide the iMessage App Doc, permanently, so long as you do 
>> not change iMessage apps.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> CNET How To - Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:06 AM Hide the annoying app 
>> dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
>> 
>> One of the new features in Messages on iOS 11 is a dedicated app dock for 
>> your iMessage apps. You've undoubtedly seen it since updating earlier this 
>> week -- it's a row of app icons at the bottom of the screen each and every 
>> time you open a conversation.
>> 
>> I've seen a lot of complaints on Twitter, and have been asked privately a 
>> few times about hiding it. At first, I didn't think it was possible. Then I 
>> found the answer on Reddit.
>> 
>> Hide the app dock by placing your finger on the App Store icon next to the 
>> text field, and swipe down. 
>> 
>> Poof, it's gone.
>> 
>> There's a caveat, because of course there is. If you use an iMessage app in 
>> the future, the dock comes back. But you can repeat the quick gesture to get 
>> rid of it again.
>> 
>> Original Article At:
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/hide-the-annoying-app-dock-in-ios-11s-messages-a
>> pp/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>> 
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RE: may have missed some things

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Terri,

No, you don't need a passcode, if you are not concerned about security you can 
certainly go to Settings > Touch Id and Passcode and double tap on "Turn 
Passcode Off".
Note that you have to enter your passcode to get into Touch Id and Passcode.
I find that with Touch Id it is just as fast to unlock the phone if you set up 
the fingerprint, on a 5S or iPhone SE Touch Id is not quite as fast and 
reliable as on the 6S or later phones, but it still works very well.



It sounds like you installed iOS 11, if so then deleting a text message 
currently has a bug which is what yoou probably experience.
Does Voiceover say Null after you delete a message?
If you close the messages app in the app switcher and then open it again this 
will be gone, it's just that right now if you delete a message by flicking down 
to delete and then double tap it puts some weird blank in place. I asked my 
sighted wife and she said she doesn't see the word "Null" but it shows as a 
blank spot.
As I said, just make sure you close the Messages app and then reopen it and all 
should be fine, to avoid this from happening tap on the Edit button at the top 
left of the screen if you want to delete a message or messages. After you do 
that you can tap one or multiple messages to select them, then find the delete 
button near the bottom of the screen and tap it. You'll be prompted if you want 
to delete and after you confirm the messages are gone with no weird item in 
their place.

I still don't know if you have an iPhone 5S or an iPhone SE, maybe you can 
check that out because it helps when you ask questions. You may have to ask a 
sighted person though, don't know of a place in Settings where this is written.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Terri Stimmel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 1:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: may have missed some things

Hello everyone,


Even though I know I think about going back to my Android. I remember why I 
found an older iPhone I could afford to purchase.


However, I don't pay attention to every thread that comes across. I know 
I should pay more attention than I do. But I receive a lot of email.


First of all, is it absolutely necessary to use the pass code?

If so, why?

Right now I am using 1. But I find it anoying!


Also, why when I go to my messages, am I not seeing all of my texts to 
people?

Why am I only seeing a few?

And why when I go to delete a text or thread, does it put a weird word 
there? I can't spell it?


Also sometimes, I have had to tap on that weird word to see a text. But 
that's only happened once.


So what the heck is going on?


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: may have missed some things

[MamaPeach]

You can turn passcode off. Go to Settings and then to Touch ID and Passcode. 
Type in your code and once it lets you in, there is an option to turn it 
off. It will ask for your passcode again and once you type it in again, it 
will be turned off and you won't have to enter it again.


-Original Message- 
From: Terri Stimmel

Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: may have missed some things

Hello everyone,


Even though I know I think about going back to my Android. I remember
why I found an older iPhone I could afford to purchase.


However, I don't pay attention to every thread that comes across. I know
I should pay more attention than I do. But I receive a lot of email.


First of all, is it absolutely necessary to use the pass code?

If so, why?

Right now I am using 1. But I find it anoying!


Also, why when I go to my messages, am I not seeing all of my texts to
people?

Why am I only seeing a few?

And why when I go to delete a text or thread, does it put a weird word
there? I can't spell it?


Also sometimes, I have had to tap on that weird word to see a text. But
that's only happened once.


So what the heck is going on?


Thank you,


Terri

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may have missed some things

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


Even though I know I think about going back to my Android. I remember 
why I found an older iPhone I could afford to purchase.


However, I don't pay attention to every thread that comes across. I know 
I should pay more attention than I do. But I receive a lot of email.


First of all, is it absolutely necessary to use the pass code?

If so, why?

Right now I am using 1. But I find it anoying!


Also, why when I go to my messages, am I not seeing all of my texts to 
people?

Why am I only seeing a few?

And why when I go to delete a text or thread, does it put a weird word 
there? I can't spell it?


Also sometimes, I have had to tap on that weird word to see a text. But 
that's only happened once.


So what the heck is going on?


Thank you,


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Re: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

[Kimberly]

Which button are we pressing and holding on? When I press and hold on the store 
button in that message doc nothing happens. Thanks for any assistance.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> Try a long press instead of double-tap and hold. I had to do that on my 
> iPHone 7 to make it work.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark. I just tried this on my 8 plus and it didn't seem to work. I double 
>> tapping and holding then swiping down but nothing changed with regard to 
>> that annoying dock. This should be an option under messages in settings IMHO.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 8:55 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,  
>> 
>> As I loaned out my 6 S Plus running iOS 11, I cannot determine if there is a 
>> VoiceOver gesture that will allow the same option that is described in the 
>> article, below, but wanted to post the article anyway so that you know that 
>> it is possible to hide the iMessage App Doc, permanently, so long as you do 
>> not change iMessage apps.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> CNET How To - Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:06 AM Hide the annoying app 
>> dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
>> 
>> One of the new features in Messages on iOS 11 is a dedicated app dock for 
>> your iMessage apps. You've undoubtedly seen it since updating earlier this 
>> week -- it's a row of app icons at the bottom of the screen each and every 
>> time you open a conversation.
>> 
>> I've seen a lot of complaints on Twitter, and have been asked privately a 
>> few times about hiding it. At first, I didn't think it was possible. Then I 
>> found the answer on Reddit.
>> 
>> Hide the app dock by placing your finger on the App Store icon next to the 
>> text field, and swipe down. 
>> 
>> Poof, it's gone.
>> 
>> There's a caveat, because of course there is. If you use an iMessage app in 
>> the future, the dock comes back. But you can repeat the quick gesture to get 
>> rid of it again.
>> 
>> Original Article At:
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/hide-the-annoying-app-dock-in-ios-11s-messages-a
>> pp/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>> 
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Re: Cross Posted: Orbit Reader 20 and Apple Devices?

[Donna]

I too, am interested in the response to the posed question. 

Donna

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:26 AM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> If anyone scored an Orbit Reader 20 at one of the blindness consumer 
> organization conventions and is using it with a MacBook or iPhone, could you 
> please comment, perhaps off-list if no one else is interested, on what you 
> think? I have been awaiting its release for months now; APH has no 
> information, and Orbit Research does not respond to email or phone inquiries, 
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Re: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Rick,

No, I had VoiceOver on.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 25, 2017, at 1:52 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna. Thanks for the suggestion but that didn't work for me either. Very 
> strange. This was with VO running. Did you have to turn VO off first?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:15 PM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> Try a long press instead of double-tap and hold. I had to do that on my 
> iPHone 7 to make it work.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark. I just tried this on my 8 plus and it didn't seem to work. I double 
>> tapping and holding then swiping down but nothing changed with regard to 
>> that annoying dock. This should be an option under messages in settings IMHO.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 8:55 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,  
>> 
>> As I loaned out my 6 S Plus running iOS 11, I cannot determine if there is a 
>> VoiceOver gesture that will allow the same option that is described in the 
>> article, below, but wanted to post the article anyway so that you know that 
>> it is possible to hide the iMessage App Doc, permanently, so long as you do 
>> not change iMessage apps.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> CNET How To - Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:06 AM Hide the annoying app 
>> dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
>> 
>> One of the new features in Messages on iOS 11 is a dedicated app dock for 
>> your iMessage apps. You've undoubtedly seen it since updating earlier this 
>> week -- it's a row of app icons at the bottom of the screen each and every 
>> time you open a conversation.
>> 
>> I've seen a lot of complaints on Twitter, and have been asked privately a 
>> few times about hiding it. At first, I didn't think it was possible. Then I 
>> found the answer on Reddit.
>> 
>> Hide the app dock by placing your finger on the App Store icon next to the 
>> text field, and swipe down. 
>> 
>> Poof, it's gone.
>> 
>> There's a caveat, because of course there is. If you use an iMessage app in 
>> the future, the dock comes back. But you can repeat the quick gesture to get 
>> rid of it again.
>> 
>> Original Article At:
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/hide-the-annoying-app-dock-in-ios-11s-messages-a
>> pp/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>> 
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RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi Anna. Thanks for the suggestion but that didn't work for me either. Very 
strange. This was with VO running. Did you have to turn VO off first?



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 2:15 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

Hi Rick,

Try a long press instead of double-tap and hold. I had to do that on my iPHone 
7 to make it work.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 25, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark. I just tried this on my 8 plus and it didn't seem to work. I double 
> tapping and holding then swiping down but nothing changed with regard to that 
> annoying dock. This should be an option under messages in settings IMHO.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 8:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
> 
> Hello Everyone,  
> 
> As I loaned out my 6 S Plus running iOS 11, I cannot determine if there is a 
> VoiceOver gesture that will allow the same option that is described in the 
> article, below, but wanted to post the article anyway so that you know that 
> it is possible to hide the iMessage App Doc, permanently, so long as you do 
> not change iMessage apps.
> 
> Mark
> 
> CNET How To - Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:06 AM Hide the annoying app 
> dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
> 
> One of the new features in Messages on iOS 11 is a dedicated app dock for 
> your iMessage apps. You've undoubtedly seen it since updating earlier this 
> week -- it's a row of app icons at the bottom of the screen each and every 
> time you open a conversation.
> 
> I've seen a lot of complaints on Twitter, and have been asked privately a few 
> times about hiding it. At first, I didn't think it was possible. Then I found 
> the answer on Reddit.
> 
> Hide the app dock by placing your finger on the App Store icon next to the 
> text field, and swipe down. 
> 
> Poof, it's gone.
> 
> There's a caveat, because of course there is. If you use an iMessage app in 
> the future, the dock comes back. But you can repeat the quick gesture to get 
> rid of it again.
> 
> Original Article At:
> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/hide-the-annoying-app-dock-in-ios-11s-messages-a
> pp/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
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Re: IOS 11 and Braille Displays

[Sadam Ahmed]

I can confirm AppleVis's findings.

Using my BI40   with my iPhone has become very bad.

I type quite fast, and the translation just can't keep up.

The result is a disgusting mess.

Best,

Sadam Ahmed

On 26/09/2017 12:19 AM, Anthony Vece wrote:

I’m not having any problems with my Smartbeetle14.


On Sep 24, 2017, at 10:37 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:



AppleVis warned about braille display issues in their blog the day 
iOS 11 was released. They mostly mentioned very sluggish performance. 
They did not mention language issues.
If you have not talked with Apple Accessibility yet, I would do that 
ASAP.

HTH,
Richard


On Sep 24, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn 
mailto:d...@lifedesigns-inc.com>> wrote:


My Hims Smart Beetle is practically unusable now since upgrading to 
IOS 11 on my 6S.  It speaks Italian and the contractions are 
completely different.  Are others having Braille display problems 
with the upgrade?

Dulce

 
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RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

[Reg Sullivan]

Not sure how much the new version is.  I got the last one of the old version 
which was $70 or $75  US  I believe.

 

 

 

 

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Hi,

How much is this new unit?

Mr. Ed

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Reg Sullivan
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Subject: RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

 

Martin, give them a phone call.  You will likely get either the visually 
impaired owner or her husband who did the design for her.

They are very nice folks to deal with. I have had  two great experiences with 
them, they are very flexible and will surely let you know what they can and 
can’t do!

 

Reg

 

 

 

 

From: 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

 

Hi

 

Do you know if they have a website and if you can order it to be delivered to 
the U.K.

 

Cheers

Martin

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Louise Peyton
Sent: 25 September 2017 17:05
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: rainbow II color identifier now available

 

Hello, all:

For those who’ve inquired about color identifiers, the Rainbow II color reader 
is now available as of today from Edmondsen Engineering.  Call: (760) 329-0282. 
 I just purchased one.

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Re: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Rick,

Try a long press instead of double-tap and hold. I had to do that on my iPHone 
7 to make it work.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 25, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark. I just tried this on my 8 plus and it didn't seem to work. I double 
> tapping and holding then swiping down but nothing changed with regard to that 
> annoying dock. This should be an option under messages in settings IMHO.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 8:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
> 
> Hello Everyone,  
> 
> As I loaned out my 6 S Plus running iOS 11, I cannot determine if there is a 
> VoiceOver gesture that will allow the same option that is described in the 
> article, below, but wanted to post the article anyway so that you know that 
> it is possible to hide the iMessage App Doc, permanently, so long as you do 
> not change iMessage apps.
> 
> Mark
> 
> CNET How To - Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:06 AM Hide the annoying app 
> dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
> 
> One of the new features in Messages on iOS 11 is a dedicated app dock for 
> your iMessage apps. You've undoubtedly seen it since updating earlier this 
> week -- it's a row of app icons at the bottom of the screen each and every 
> time you open a conversation.
> 
> I've seen a lot of complaints on Twitter, and have been asked privately a few 
> times about hiding it. At first, I didn't think it was possible. Then I found 
> the answer on Reddit.
> 
> Hide the app dock by placing your finger on the App Store icon next to the 
> text field, and swipe down. 
> 
> Poof, it's gone.
> 
> There's a caveat, because of course there is. If you use an iMessage app in 
> the future, the dock comes back. But you can repeat the quick gesture to get 
> rid of it again.
> 
> Original Article At:
> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/hide-the-annoying-app-dock-in-ios-11s-messages-a
> pp/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
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RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi Mark. I just tried this on my 8 plus and it didn't seem to work. I double 
tapping and holding then swiping down but nothing changed with regard to that 
annoying dock. This should be an option under messages in settings IMHO.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 8:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

Hello Everyone,  

As I loaned out my 6 S Plus running iOS 11, I cannot determine if there is a 
VoiceOver gesture that will allow the same option that is described in the 
article, below, but wanted to post the article anyway so that you know that it 
is possible to hide the iMessage App Doc, permanently, so long as you do not 
change iMessage apps.

Mark

CNET How To - Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:06 AM Hide the annoying app 
dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

One of the new features in Messages on iOS 11 is a dedicated app dock for your 
iMessage apps. You've undoubtedly seen it since updating earlier this week -- 
it's a row of app icons at the bottom of the screen each and every time you 
open a conversation.
 
I've seen a lot of complaints on Twitter, and have been asked privately a few 
times about hiding it. At first, I didn't think it was possible. Then I found 
the answer on Reddit.

Hide the app dock by placing your finger on the App Store icon next to the text 
field, and swipe down. 

Poof, it's gone.

There's a caveat, because of course there is. If you use an iMessage app in the 
future, the dock comes back. But you can repeat the quick gesture to get rid of 
it again.

Original Article At:
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/hide-the-annoying-app-dock-in-ios-11s-messages-a
pp/#ftag=CAD5457c2c


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RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

[Louise Peyton]

For the week of Sept. 25-29, it’s $68.  In Oct., charge will be $70.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 1:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

Hi,
How much is this new unit?
Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Reg Sullivan
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

Martin, give them a phone call.  You will likely get either the visually 
impaired owner or her husband who did the design for her.
They are very nice folks to deal with. I have had  two great experiences with 
them, they are very flexible and will surely let you know what they can and 
can’t do!

Reg




From: 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

Hi

Do you know if they have a website and if you can order it to be delivered to 
the U.K.

Cheers
Martin


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Sent: 25 September 2017 17:05
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Subject: rainbow II color identifier now available

Hello, all:
For those who’ve inquired about color identifiers, the Rainbow II color reader 
is now available as of today from Edmondsen Engineering.  Call: (760) 329-0282. 
 I just purchased one.
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RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

[Mr. Ed]

Hi,

How much is this new unit?

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Reg Sullivan
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

 

Martin, give them a phone call.  You will likely get either the visually 
impaired owner or her husband who did the design for her.

They are very nice folks to deal with. I have had  two great experiences with 
them, they are very flexible and will surely let you know what they can and 
can’t do!

 

Reg

 

 

 

 

From: 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

 

Hi

 

Do you know if they have a website and if you can order it to be delivered to 
the U.K.

 

Cheers

Martin

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Louise Peyton
Sent: 25 September 2017 17:05
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: rainbow II color identifier now available

 

Hello, all:

For those who’ve inquired about color identifiers, the Rainbow II color reader 
is now available as of today from Edmondsen Engineering.  Call: (760) 329-0282. 
 I just purchased one.

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RE: IOS 11 and Braille Displays

[Dulce Muccio Weisenborn]

I'll call hims.

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Anthony Vece
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:20 AM
To: Blind iPhone MailingList
Subject: Re: IOS 11 and Braille Displays

 

I'm not having any problems with my Smartbeetle14.

 

 

On Sep 24, 2017, at 10:37 PM, Richard Turner 
wrote:

 


AppleVis warned about braille display issues in their blog the day iOS 11
was released. They mostly mentioned very sluggish performance. They did not
mention language issues.

If you have not talked with Apple Accessibility yet, I would do that ASAP.

HTH,

Richard

 


On Sep 24, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn <
 d...@lifedesigns-inc.com> wrote:

My Hims Smart Beetle is practically unusable now since upgrading to IOS 11
on my 6S.  It speaks Italian and the contractions are completely different.
Are others having Braille display problems with the upgrade?

 

Dulce

 

 


 
 

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RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

[Louise Peyton]

Hi, Martin:
The website is: http://www.rainbowcolorreader.com  They don’t show product 
availability online which is why I called them and was told they were 
available.  All you can do is to contact them through their website.
Best:
Louise

From: 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

Hi

Do you know if they have a website and if you can order it to be delivered to 
the U.K.

Cheers
Martin


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Sent: 25 September 2017 17:05
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: rainbow II color identifier now available

Hello, all:
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RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

[Reg Sullivan]

Martin, give them a phone call.  You will likely get either the visually 
impaired owner or her husband who did the design for her.

They are very nice folks to deal with. I have had  two great experiences with 
them, they are very flexible and will surely let you know what they can and 
can’t do!

 

Reg

 

 

 

 

From: 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

 

Hi

 

Do you know if they have a website and if you can order it to be delivered to 
the U.K.

 

Cheers

Martin

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Louise Peyton
Sent: 25 September 2017 17:05
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: rainbow II color identifier now available

 

Hello, all:

For those who’ve inquired about color identifiers, the Rainbow II color reader 
is now available as of today from Edmondsen Engineering.  Call: (760) 329-0282. 
 I just purchased one.

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... DIFFICULTIES WITH INCREASING LACK OF SPEECH FROM PHONE RESULTING IN TOTAL FAILURE OF 6SE

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

I upgraded to iOS11 last night and certainly shouldn't have done so. I 
felt too tired and weary to battle with iTunes (my dreaded hate) so 
decided to do without since I've never been locked out with the over the 
air download.



It went well and I was back in successfully, having got rather bogged 
down with all the prelimnaries and did in fact set up the UK Siri female 
voice which was working OK for the short time I used it.



I decided to have another go at the Touch ID as I was setting up but 
still didn't get more than a couple of prints accepted. (I never can!) I 
gave it up and, very soon after this, came the problem!



I lost all speech (as I have several times lately) and *before* moving 
to iOS11! I have always eventually got in after these occasions, but 
sometimes it's taxed me when it comes to get VO to be turned on/off in 
appropriate places and correctly and the odd wrestle with volumes also! 
I have not been in a position to take my phone into the store and of 
course couldn't choose to stop using it ...



I tried recovery mode eventually without success and so I moved to the 
other computer in the house, installed iTunes and tried again! (Silly girl!)



This time my (still dead) iPhone 6 did sort of work in that it offered 
to download my music from the phone to the new iTunes on the second 
computer! Great! I thought that at least I'd have something I could use 
to salvich some of the messs!



However, I still couldn't get any speech and, because I know I have to 
just wait Apple's help to do anything further, I thought at the very 
least I'd best check up just how many folk have wrestled with 
intermittent and ever increasing voice loss even before iOS11?



In fact, it's probably best if you have that you go directly to Apple to 
alert them, as I shall do just as soon as I have enough things sorted to 
be able to do that!



Before you all offer suggestions as to how I might manage to get back 
in, let me just say that I am pretty sure I have exhausted everyone for 
one reason or another. In fact, I could well have made more progress if 
the 4S had a sim installed so I could make calls, retrieve forgotten 
information etc, but I'm not any good at changing sims so this must wait 
at least until tomorrow and, again, my only reason for writing this was 
not to expect anyone to be trying to find things I haven't done (or 
can't anyway) but to suggest that all those who have experienced 
anything like a part of this problem with VO dying should just let Apple 
know about it before you crash also!



I am beginning to think that some of this iPhone stuff is just getting 
too complicated for me now! Problem is, I can't do without it!  
Thanks to those who have read to the end!


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RE: bug with new Siri voices phone crashes IOS 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

First of all, the SIRI voices while nice are a bit less responsive. Having said 
this, I have had absolutely 0 issues having the US femal SIRI voice on my 
rotor. This means by default Samantha High Quality is used, but if I turn the 
rotor to languages and flick down I get the SIRI voice and unless I change it 
again or reboot the phone it stays on the SIRI voice. If there is an issue 
setting them as the default voice, why not use that work-around, set Samantha 
as your default and whichever SIRI voice you want as an additional voice on the 
rotor, then change to the SIRI voice and turn the rotor away from langauges 
afterwards. This should get you the SIRI voice until you have to do a reboot 
and while I don't know about your habits, I don't do those very often.
I even turned Voiceover off completely with a triple click home after changing 
the voice to the SIRI voice to see what happens and even here when I turned 
Voiceover back on I was still getting the SIRI voice. I would have expected 
this to go back to the default.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Scott Berry
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:49 AM
To: Vi Phone 
Subject: Re: bug with new Siri voices phone crashes IOS 11

Did you report this to Apple?



> On Sep 24, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Happened on my 5S, and what a scare I got! I had to reset via Home and 
> Powerand like described below, the Paulina voice came up. So in the meantime, 
> don't try using the Siri voice with Voiceover a ′unless you want to live the 
> experience of losing VO funtionality!
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S
> 
> El 23/09/2017, a la(s) 12:59 p. m., Chip Orange  
> escribió:
> 
>> Yes, I am having the same issue (although I have no braille display).
>> 
>> Each time, after the reboot, I am using a different voice when the phone 
>> comes back up, and the Siri Male voice I had downloaded and was using is 
>> still showing as selected, but it now needs downloading again.
>> 
>> I also wondered if anyone has any ideas what to do to solve this, as I know 
>> many people using the Siri voice as their VoiceOver voice, so I don't really 
>> think the voice itself is the issue?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chip
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Rebecca Ilniski
>> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 11:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: accessibil...@apple.com
>> Subject: bug with new Siri voices phone crashes IOS 11
>> 
>> OK everyone. Ihave had to do a hard reset twice on my 7 plus today using IOS 
>> 11. I had been using the new Siri male voice. I also use a Refreshabraille 
>> display and twice today my phone decides to crash requiring a hard reset. 
>> Voice Over is lost and the only thing that comes up on the display is 
>> messagesand there’s no moving around as voice over is lost. Can’t even do a 
>> ?ree fingle double tap to turn on the speech so I reset. After I do and the 
>> phone reboots, Samantha comes on but the Siri male voice is selected. 
>> Soafter this happened for the second time today I decided to go back to Tom. 
>> Hopefully this doesn’t happen with any of the other voices.
>> 
>> Rebecca and Zeb
>> email: rilni...@gmail.com
>> Twitter: applegirl1994
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RE: Stopping email from auto fetching and resolving battery drain

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Chip,

I’m not Richard, but if you want to maximize battery life and don’t care if you 
get emails instantly when they arrive you can either set it to fetch according 
to a schedule, say every 30 minutes or every hour or you can set it to fetch 
manually which means it only looks for new emails if you open the mail app.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Stopping email from auto fetching and resolving battery drain

Richard,

Sorry, but this isn’t clear to me … you will need to set it to what?  Push, or 
fetch manuallly according to some schedule?

Thanbks,

Chip


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Stopping email from auto fetching and resolving battery drain

Mike and others like me who have struggled with this, I did a lot of googling 
and found the answer.
1. Open settings.
2. Open Accounts and passwords.
3. Do the three finger swipe up because flicking right with one finger will 
stop on add account.
4. The last item on the screen is now fetch.
You will need to set it for each mail account you have.
No wonder my battery has been draining faster.
Richard


On Sep 24, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Noe Villeda 
mailto:noevill...@verizon.net>> wrote:
I am also having the same issue with email after updating to iOS 11.


On Sep 24, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Tom Rash 
mailto:dadnthed...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I don’t like having my email coming in all day on my iPhone.  I had it set up 
to fetch when I open the email app.  After the upgrade to IOS 11, it is 
constantly downloading email.  Where do I go to make that change.  I think it 
was called fetching or something like that.  Thanks.
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RE: enable and disabling watch digital crown.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Anthony,

You say "I don't believe you can." What does this refer to?
If it refers to the question about enabling digital crown navigation then Mark 
had already explained when he asked whether this was still available in Watch 
OS 4 how to enable it.
Larry asked because I assume he didn't read Mark's message or didn't read it 
carefully, that is why I answered that you enable it with a 2-finger triple tap 
on the watch.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Anthony Vece
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:40 AM
To: Blind iPhone MailingList 
Subject: Re: enable and disabling watch digital crown.

I don’t believe you can.

I spoke with Apple’s Accessibility department and, they could not tell me how.


> On Sep 24, 2017, at 7:24 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> 
> Got it! Thanks
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> A 2-finger triple tap
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 3:45 PM
>> To: 'Ming' via VIPhone 
>> Subject: enable and disabling watch digital crown.
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>> How do you enable and disable the digital crown on the apple watch? Thanks
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RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi all,

Thanks, Mark, I thought it was the “Store” button which I guess is in the 
messaging dock. Anyhow, I now found the correct cutton and was able to hide 
that dock, just as Anna said, I went to the mail app afterwards and opened a 
message and all the buttons along the bottom were there.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 9:21 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

Hi Mark, Richard, and all,

How odd about the buttons in Mail. I had no problems replying to an email or 
accessing the buttons at the bottom of a Mail screen on my iPHone 7 after 
getting rid of the Messaging Apps dock.

Best,
Anna



On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:30 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Mark,
While it is true that gesture works, did you try to reply to an email after 
doing that?
On my iPod Touch 6, the buttons at the bottom of an email also disappeared.

I had to go back to messages and double tap on messaging apps button to get 
them back.
Richard


(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Sep 24, 2017, at 11:29 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
wrote:
Hello Sieghard,

Having my 6 S Plus back, I am delighted to report that a VoiceOver user can 
easily dismiss the iMessage App Doc located in the bottom row of a conversation.

To do this:

1.
Open a conversation in the iMessage app.

2.
Just to the right of the Add Media button, you will find the Messages App 
Button.

3.
Single-finger, double-tap and hold this button and swipe down towards the 
bottom of the display.  That's all there is to it.

Please note that the Messages app button is not located on the bottom row of 
the display but on the same row as the add media button, just above the Dock.

Good Luck,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 7:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

Hmm, if this means the one Voiceover reads as "Store" which I get to if I swipe 
right once after the Sent button (or Record if it's an iMessage) then I don't 
know how you can swipe down, it is already at the very bottom left of the 
screen.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 5:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

Hello Everyone,

As I loaned out my 6 S Plus running iOS 11, I cannot determine if there is a 
VoiceOver gesture that will allow the same option that is described in the 
article, below, but wanted to post the article anyway so that you know that it 
is possible to hide the iMessage App Doc, permanently, so long as you do not 
change iMessage apps.

Mark

CNET How To - Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:06 AM Hide the annoying app 
dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

One of the new features in Messages on iOS 11 is a dedicated app dock for your 
iMessage apps. You've undoubtedly seen it since updating earlier this week -- 
it's a row of app icons at the bottom of the screen each and every time you 
open a conversation.

I've seen a lot of complaints on Twitter, and have been asked privately a few 
times about hiding it. At first, I didn't think it was possible. Then I found 
the answer on Reddit.

Hide the app dock by placing your finger on the App Store icon next to the text 
field, and swipe down.

Poof, it's gone.

There's a caveat, because of course there is. If you use an iMessage app in the 
future, the dock comes back. But you can repeat the quick gesture to get rid of 
it again.

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Re: iPhone 8 and speaker lightly crackling

[Kimberly]

On my iPhone 7 the crackling is not constant and it doesn’t hinder play. It 
wouldn’t keep me from upgrading had I not already done so.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> 
> Plus, unless I am mistaken, Kimberly said that she turned sounds off, so the 
> theory that it could be because of 2 sounds consecutively going could not be 
> the case.
> Still would like to know what is causing it since I am considering upgrading.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Debby  wrote:
>> 
>> Kimber, but you are using a 7 right? I have an 8. If that’s true then it has 
>> something to do with how the Blindfold games interact with iOS 11.
>>  
>> Debby
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kimberly
>> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:17 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 8 and speaker lightly crackling
>>  
>> That is true in my case anyway. I only hear the crackling during my play a 
>> blindfold solitaire.
>> 
>> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> I was under the impression Debbie and Kimber experience this during just 
>> this one game and not normally.
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Sadam Ahmed
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:31 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Debby 
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 8 and speaker lightly crackling
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> Hi Kimber and Debbie, 
>> 
>> I was just on the phone with Dell pro support via way of my iPhone. 
>> 
>> This time, I could definitelyhear crackling noises coming from the 
>> earpiece of the device. 
>> 
>> My iPad pro also seems to exhibit this alarming behavior. 
>> 
>> I am going to run the iOS diagnostic software from Apple's express 
>> support channel  but it's looking like a hardware issue contrary   to what I 
>> posted earlier. 
>> 
>> Sadam 
>> 
>> On 24/09/2017 10:38 PM, Debby wrote:
>> Hi Kimber,
>>  
>> Are you running iOS 11? Were you using the Blindfold games?
>>  
>> Thanks to everyone for there thoughts on this.
>>  
>> Debby
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kimberly
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 3:49 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 8 and speaker lightly crackling
>>  
>> I’ve been seeing similar behavior on my iPhone 7 and was concerned that my 
>> speaker was going. So this may indeed be a software issue.
>> 
>> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 23, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Debby  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>>  
>> I received my iPhone 8 yesterday, and I finally have it mostly set up, 
>> actually it did most of the work. But when I play Blindfold games like 
>> Solitaire and Color Crush, the speaker lightly crackles. It is almost as if 
>> my finger moving around the screen is causing the speaker to have static. I 
>> turned off the background music in Solitaire, and it is somewhat better, but 
>> not gone. I have restarted the phone, restarted voiceover, turned off audio 
>> ducking, changed the speed and pitch of the voices and it is still there. I 
>> played music from the music app and moved around the screen while the music 
>> was playing and no crackle. The only other place I heard it was a tiny bit 
>> in Seeing AI.
>>  
>> Has anyone else experienced the problem? My bet is that it is a software 
>> problem, but if it is the hardware, then a trip to the Verizon store will be 
>> in order.
>>  
>> Thanks!
>>  
>> Debby
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Re: iPhone 8 and speaker lightly crackling

[Kimberly]

Yes, I have a 7.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Debby  wrote:
> 
> Kimber, but you are using a 7 right? I have an 8. If that’s true then it has 
> something to do with how the Blindfold games interact with iOS 11.
>  
> Debby
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kimberly
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 8 and speaker lightly crackling
>  
> That is true in my case anyway. I only hear the crackling during my play a 
> blindfold solitaire.
> 
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> 
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I was under the impression Debbie and Kimber experience this during just this 
> one game and not normally.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sadam Ahmed
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Debby 
> Subject: Re: iPhone 8 and speaker lightly crackling
>  
>  
> 
> Hi Kimber and Debbie, 
> 
> I was just on the phone with Dell pro support via way of my iPhone. 
> 
> This time, I could definitelyhear crackling noises coming from the 
> earpiece of the device. 
> 
> My iPad pro also seems to exhibit this alarming behavior. 
> 
> I am going to run the iOS diagnostic software from Apple's express 
> support channel  but it's looking like a hardware issue contrary   to what I 
> posted earlier. 
> 
> Sadam 
> 
> On 24/09/2017 10:38 PM, Debby wrote:
> Hi Kimber,
>  
> Are you running iOS 11? Were you using the Blindfold games?
>  
> Thanks to everyone for there thoughts on this.
>  
> Debby
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kimberly
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 3:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 8 and speaker lightly crackling
>  
> I’ve been seeing similar behavior on my iPhone 7 and was concerned that my 
> speaker was going. So this may indeed be a software issue.
> 
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> 
> On Sep 23, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Debby  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>  
> I received my iPhone 8 yesterday, and I finally have it mostly set up, 
> actually it did most of the work. But when I play Blindfold games like 
> Solitaire and Color Crush, the speaker lightly crackles. It is almost as if 
> my finger moving around the screen is causing the speaker to have static. I 
> turned off the background music in Solitaire, and it is somewhat better, but 
> not gone. I have restarted the phone, restarted voiceover, turned off audio 
> ducking, changed the speed and pitch of the voices and it is still there. I 
> played music from the music app and moved around the screen while the music 
> was playing and no crackle. The only other place I heard it was a tiny bit in 
> Seeing AI.
>  
> Has anyone else experienced the problem? My bet is that it is a software 
> problem, but if it is the hardware, then a trip to the Verizon store will be 
> in order.
>  
> Thanks!
>  
> Debby
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Voice over and zoom bug

[Douglas Cameron]

Hey guys! Wanted to let ya’ll know about a bug that is in iOS 11, one that 
occurred during the beta, and was worked out; however reappeared in the final 
release.

If you are both a VO user and a zoom user, you can not have both enabled at the 
same time, or you will be unable to enter your home screen into edit mode. The 
current and only work around for this bug is to have zoom added to triple click 
home, and turn it on and off as required.
Hope this is fixed soon; however, this is the best work around until it is 
solved. Personally, I find it rather amusing now that I solved the issue; 
however, it is a serious pain.

Doug


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RE: Changes in WatchOS 4

[Rick Alfaro]

Totally agree here. If I had a series 2, I probably wouldn't upgrade either but 
I have the original Apple watch and it's really become unacceptable in terms of 
performance, especially under Watch OS 4. It's gotten so clunky feeling that I 
have gone back to my Tissot silent T for now. My series 3 should be here today 
or tomorrow so I'm looking forward to the expected increase in responsiveness.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 5:30 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Changes in WatchOS 4

Hi,

I, on the other hand, have the very first generation watch, and I'm excited to 
get the new one. The first generation one is slow and often clicks off when I 
try to use it, so it's becoming increasingly less useful. I don't blame those 
of you with the Series 2 for not upgrading, though.

Cheers,
Anna



> On Sep 23, 2017, at 2:08 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> I completely concur with you, Sieghard.
> 
> I am very happy with my Series two, watch, and do not plan on buying a new 
> one anytime soon.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 7:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Changes in WatchOS 4
> 
> This is one of the cases where it is probably not a bad idea to wait for the 
> next generation of LTE Apple Watch just as it was also a good decision to 
> wait for the second generation of the non-LTE version of Apple Watch which is 
> faster and completely waterproof. I would have kicked myself had I bought an 
> Apple Watch as soon as it was first released only to find out a year later a 
> waterproof version is available. An Apple Watch is one of these luxury items 
> one doesn't really need and for me at least it is an item I don't plan to buy 
> every 2 or even 3 years so probably better to let them work out the bugs 
> first.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jeremy Gilley
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 12:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Changes in WatchOS 4
> 
> I was going to get the new watch that came out yesterday until I listened to 
> Mposen's podcast about the watch.
> Needless to say, I was disappointed in the new watch.
> Siri didn't appear to really work, and it just felt like there were still too 
> many issues with the watch to spend that kind of money for it.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sadam Ahmed
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 2:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Ioana Gandrabur
> Subject: Re: Changes in WatchOS 4
> 
> Thanks Ioana for this.
> 
> 
> I look forward to getting my series 3 whenever the hell it ships.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 23/09/2017 1:51 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As far as I know I have not seen many comments about watch os 4 from 
>> vo
> perspective.
>> Here's a good blog about general changes.
>> 
> https://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-apple-watch-news/apple-releases-wa
> tchos- 4-bringing-range-enhancements-and-new-features
>> I also added a comment there with the info I'm adding to this message.
>> Any questions or additions very appreciated.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Ioana
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Here is what I found so far:
>> 1. You can now dial phone numbers in the phone app. Before the keypad 
>> was
> not accessible. Pretty sure keypad also works within a call.
>> 2. Time travel in apps is better indicated. In other words you can 
>> enable
> going forward in time for apps like weather or calendar by turning the 
> digital crown and vo will say "time travel" and read the info that changes as 
> you do so.
>> 3. You can now see the heart rate on the complication for heart rate 
>> app
> on your watch face. This means that you can enable auto-speak and get the 
> heart rate easily on the go.
>> 4.
>> Changed how you transfer calls from watch to iPhone. This is I think 
>> more
> to do with iOS 11. When picking up phone call on watch You just have to 
> double-tap on status bar of the phone and the phone call will transfer to 
> phone.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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RE: Siri female voice iOS 11

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi Richard. 

Regarding the new Siri Female voice, I'd like to use this voice in Voice
Dream Reader but don't see it listed as a possibility. Have you found a way
to accomplish this? It would be a fantastic voice for reading books due to
how natural she sounds.



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Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 12:22 PM
To: 'ViPone list (viphone@googlegroups.com)' 
Subject: Siri female voice iOS 11

I'm finding some inconsistencies.


  1.  When I go into the Accessibility Speech settings and sample the Siri
American female voice or in the VoiceOver Speech settings and do the same,
it is a very nice, high quality voice that is using 497 MB or something like
that.
  2.  Under the regular accessibility speech settings, it says the name is
Martha.
  3.  However, if I go into the Siri settings and select Siri female
American, it is a not great sounding Samantha.  It is clearly not the
correct voice.
This is on both my iPhone 5s and iPod Touch 6 running iOS 11.
I'm copying Apple accessibility on this message.

Richard

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Re: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Mark, Richard, and all,

How odd about the buttons in Mail. I had no problems replying to an email or 
accessing the buttons at the bottom of a Mail screen on my iPHone 7 after 
getting rid of the Messaging Apps dock.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:30 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> While it is true that gesture works, did you try to reply to an email after 
> doing that?
> On my iPod Touch 6, the buttons at the bottom of an email also disappeared.
> 
> I had to go back to messages and double tap on messaging apps button to get 
> them back.
> Richard
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 11:29 PM, M. Taylor  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello Sieghard,
>> 
>> Having my 6 S Plus back, I am delighted to report that a VoiceOver user can 
>> easily dismiss the iMessage App Doc located in the bottom row of a 
>> conversation.
>> 
>> To do this:
>> 
>> 1.
>> Open a conversation in the iMessage app.
>> 
>> 2.
>> Just to the right of the Add Media button, you will find the Messages App 
>> Button.  
>> 
>> 3.
>> Single-finger, double-tap and hold this button and swipe down towards the 
>> bottom of the display.  That's all there is to it.
>> 
>> Please note that the Messages app button is not located on the bottom row of 
>> the display but on the same row as the add media button, just above the Dock.
>> 
>> Good Luck,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 7:46 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
>> 
>> Hmm, if this means the one Voiceover reads as "Store" which I get to if I 
>> swipe right once after the Sent button (or Record if it's an iMessage) then 
>> I don't know how you can swipe down, it is already at the very bottom left 
>> of the screen.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 5:55 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,  
>> 
>> As I loaned out my 6 S Plus running iOS 11, I cannot determine if there is a 
>> VoiceOver gesture that will allow the same option that is described in the 
>> article, below, but wanted to post the article anyway so that you know that 
>> it is possible to hide the iMessage App Doc, permanently, so long as you do 
>> not change iMessage apps.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> CNET How To - Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:06 AM Hide the annoying app 
>> dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET
>> 
>> One of the new features in Messages on iOS 11 is a dedicated app dock for 
>> your iMessage apps. You've undoubtedly seen it since updating earlier this 
>> week -- it's a row of app icons at the bottom of the screen each and every 
>> time you open a conversation.
>> 
>> I've seen a lot of complaints on Twitter, and have been asked privately a 
>> few times about hiding it. At first, I didn't think it was possible. Then I 
>> found the answer on Reddit.
>> 
>> Hide the app dock by placing your finger on the App Store icon next to the 
>> text field, and swipe down. 
>> 
>> Poof, it's gone.
>> 
>> There's a caveat, because of course there is. If you use an iMessage app in 
>> the future, the dock comes back. But you can repeat the quick gesture to get 
>> rid of it again.
>> 
>> Original Article At:
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/hide-the-annoying-app-dock-in-ios-11s-messages-a 
>> 
>> pp/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>> 
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RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

['Martin Maidment' via VIPhone]

Hi

 

Do you know if they have a website and if you can order it to be delivered to 
the U.K.

 

Cheers

Martin

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Louise Peyton
Sent: 25 September 2017 17:05
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: rainbow II color identifier now available

 

Hello, all:

For those who’ve inquired about color identifiers, the Rainbow II color reader 
is now available as of today from Edmondsen Engineering.  Call: (760) 329-0282. 
 I just purchased one.

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Re: notifications not speaking on lock screen

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi all

This is a major bug in ios11. Therefore I do not advise to update if
you find this feature important.
Regards
Davy

2017-09-24 23:05 GMT+02:00, SSEric :
> I have an I phone 6S running iOS 11. My notifications setting is set to
> always, and it still is not reading in coming notifications. The interesting
> thing is, if voiceover is speaking or something else is playing,
> notifications are read as they are coming in.
>
> Eric
> sseri...@gmail.com
> (614) 296-9467
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 4:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>
> I'm with you, Sieghard; I don't know how this works.
>
> Personally, the last thing I want is to have my notifications read, outloud,
> automatically.
>
> Currently, on my primary iOS 10.33 6 S Plus, I am notified that I have a
> notification but in order to hear the text of the notification, on the lock
> screen, I must actually touch the display.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 10:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: notifications not speaking on lock screen
>
> Withis new "Show Preview" setting what is the "Always Speak Notifications"
> used for in Voiceover settings? It's been there for many years and while I
> have it on, I did turn it off once and don't recall if it made much of a
> difference.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Deb Lewis
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 1:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: notifications not speaking on lock screen
>
> I have previews in notifications set to always and they are still not
> reading. I believe it was the default in fact.
>
>
>> On 9/23/17, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Go to Settings and choose Notifications. The first setting is Show
>> Previews.
>> Set it to Always, and your notifications will be spoken as they come in.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Anna
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2017, at 8:28 PM, cwc  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have also posted this to Apple. When I spoke with accessibility
>>> support they said that that was the way they had designed it. I
>>> explained to her how that was not a practicle option, and asked her
>>> to pass it on to the technicians. She said that she would. I backed
>>> it up with an e-mail. I am awaiting their responce.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 11:20:26 PM UTC-4, mich wrote:
>>> Hi this is a bug and it is best to report it to apple. from Mich.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Candy Lowe
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 11:00 PM
>>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: notifications not speaking on lock screen
>>>
>>> Hello, everyone,
>>> Since the update to I O S 11, my notifications do not speak on the
>>> locked
>>>
>>> screen.  I can't remember what the setting is for that, although, it
>>> was working on I O S 10.  Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Candy
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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rainbow II color identifier now available

[Louise Peyton]

Hello, all:
For those who've inquired about color identifiers, the Rainbow II color reader 
is now available as of today from Edmondsen Engineering.  Call: (760) 329-0282. 
 I just purchased one.

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RE: List Recorder App and IOS 11

[Cristóbal]

I believe that someone on this list mentioned that they contacted the dev and 
indications were that they for personal reasons had stopped developing the app. 
Unless another dev works something out with this app’s creator and takes it 
over, then that’s probably it for List Recorder. Considering how ubiquitous 
recording apps are in general though, I wouldn’t hold my breath on this 
particular app being updated for iOS 11 compatibility at this point.

Unfortunate, but that’s the way it goes sometimes.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher huby
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: List Recorder App and IOS 11

 

Hi all I have contacted the development of this app to ask them to make sure 
they update it we have all paid for this app so should also make sure that we 
contact them so I urge everyone to send an email to the developer that way we 
can get the product that we have paid for

Regards

 

Christopher huby 

Sent From My IPhone 6s+


On 17 Sep 2017, at 12:49, Richard Petty mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Has there been any word on an update to List Recorder? This is an extremely 
useful app. I have a lot of material recorded in the app.

 

Do we know if the developer is updating the app? How seriously should we take 
the iOS 10 messages that the app will no longer be compatible with the next 
version of IOS—meaning IOS 11?

 

If the app is not updated and if it truly will not be compatible with iOS 11, 
how can one best move many audio recordings into a more commonly-readable audio 
file format? I haven’t found the apps internal conversion process to be at all 
intuitive.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Richard Petty

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Cross Posted: Orbit Reader 20 and Apple Devices?

[Christine Grassman]

Hello all:
If anyone scored an Orbit Reader 20 at one of the blindness consumer 
organization conventions and is using it with a MacBook or iPhone, could you 
please comment, perhaps off-list if no one else is interested, on what you 
think? I have been awaiting its release for months now; APH has no information, 
and Orbit Research does not respond to email or phone inquiries, which frankly 
does not bode well for customer support. Thanks in advance. 
Christine

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RE: List Recorder App and IOS 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Christopher,

I believe Richard contacted the developer and she has tried to sell the app to 
another developer since she can’t continue the work, but nobody wanted to buy 
the app from her. You have to understand that just because you paid for an app 
that does not mean it will definitely be supported or updated for the rest of 
your life. If a developer can’t continue for personal reasons or because he or 
she has become sick or just moved on to another job which requires all their 
time then that is just how it is. You could say the same about an iPhone, I 
paid a lot more for my iPhone 4S 6 years ago which I believe is probably about 
the same time I bought List Recorder, but just because I paid for it doesn’t 
mean Apple will continue to support it and make sure it gets the latest iOS 
update, this is just not technologically possible. It sounds like in the case 
of List Recorder personal reasons make it impossible for the original developer 
to continue developing it and unfortunately that means List Recorder is an app 
of the past most likely never to return.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher huby
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: List Recorder App and IOS 11

Hi all I have contacted the development of this app to ask them to make sure 
they update it we have all paid for this app so should also make sure that we 
contact them so I urge everyone to send an email to the developer that way we 
can get the product that we have paid for
Regards

Christopher huby
Sent From My IPhone 6s+

On 17 Sep 2017, at 12:49, Richard Petty 
mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
Has there been any word on an update to List Recorder? This is an extremely 
useful app. I have a lot of material recorded in the app.

Do we know if the developer is updating the app? How seriously should we take 
the iOS 10 messages that the app will no longer be compatible with the next 
version of IOS—meaning IOS 11?

If the app is not updated and if it truly will not be compatible with iOS 11, 
how can one best move many audio recordings into a more commonly-readable audio 
file format? I haven’t found the apps internal conversion process to be at all 
intuitive.

Thanks for any help.

Richard Petty
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