In iOS 11, The iBook VoiceOver Continuous Reading Bug has Been Resolved

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

With the release of iOS 11, I received a message from Apple indicating that
they had resolved the iOS iBook VoiceOver continuous reading bug, described
in my original bug report, and that they wanted me to confirm this.

I am delighted to report that the bug, as I originally described in iOS 10,
has been successfully resolved with the release of iOS 11.  

I have already sent my congratulations and appreciation to Apple and wanted
to update you on this issue.  

I will paste in my previous post on this in order to refresh your memory on
this matter.

Here's one for the team, eh?

Mark

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:58 PM
Subject: Even in iOS 10.1 the iBook VoiceOver Continuous Reading Bug
Continues

Hello Everyone,

A while ago I posted to the groups describing what I consider to be an iBook
VoiceOver continuous reading bug given that the behavior did not occur in
previous versions of iOS.  

After posting, a couple of iOS beta testers reported that this issue had
been resolved in iOS 10.1.  

Well, as you can guess, I updated to iOS 10.1 and the bug, in my opinion,
persists.  

I am going to paste in a modified copy of my previous post on this and see
if any of you can reproduce it in iOS 10.1.

[ORIGINAL TEXT]
My preferred method for reading iOS iBook titles is to use the two-finger,
swipe-down VoiceOver gesture, in order to initiate continuous reading of the
text.  Please note that I am not referring to the Speak Screen accessibility
feature.

In short, my display is set to automatically lock after 30 seconds.  In the
previous versions of IOS, performing a 2-finger swipe down, in an iBook
title, would suspend the auto-lock and allow for continuous reading of the
text.  This does not appear to be the case, any longer.

This is to say, in certain titles, such as those containing imbedded
hyperlinks, the auto-lock engages, cancelling the continuous reading mode.

I first discovered this, last night, while reading the Apple TV User Guide.
The same phenomenon occurred when I tested my hypothesis with the iPhone
User Guide for iOS 10 and iPhone User Guide for iOS 9.3.  

At first, I thought it was some kind of issue with titles produced by Apple
but I tested a recently published (non Apple) title, that has a web link
imbedded in the text, and, just as with the Apple manuals, after less than 1
minute, the screen locked and reading ceased.  

It should be noted, that the hyperlinks that exist in the Table of Contents,
used to jump to a specific area, does not cause interruption to the
continuous reading feature.  I say this because titles in my Library,
containing only such links, read as expected.

Steps to Reproduce:

1.
>From Settings/General/Display and Brightness, set Auto Lock to 30 seconds.

2.
In iBook, open the Apple TV User Guide and, from the table of contents,
select Home Sharing; or, open the iPhone User Guide for iOS 10 and, from the
table of contents, select Basics.

3.
Once the desired page is displayed, perform the two-finger swipe-down
VoiceOver gesture to initiate continuous reading.  

As I said, in my testing, each time either an imbedded hyperlink or heading
is encountered, a short time later, the screen will lock and reading will
stop.  

Please confirm if this occurs during your testing.

I would like to note that, this problem does not occur when using the Speak
Screen accessibility feature.  While certainly useful in some instances, the
Speak Screen feature is not my preferred method for reading iBook titles.  

Mark


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Re: Apps for flights, or possible trains

[lenron brown]

expedia here

On 9/26/17, Cris Ali  wrote:
> I apologize for the blank message.
> I use Cheap Tickets.  The website is not user friendly to screen reader
> users.  The app is very accessible.
> Cheers,
> Cris
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Cris Ali
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apps for flights, or possible trains
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 26, 2017, at 6:03 PM, Terri Stimmel
> mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com>> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> I have a friend who would like to come and see me. But I haven't looked
> at airplane, ticket prices in quite a long time. We are trying to find
> them the best option.
>
>
> They would have to leave out of a smaller airport, then fly out of a
> larger 1, just on 1 flight, I believe, to get where I am.
>
> Now that's if they fly, which they will likely do.
>
>
> Are there App sites pretty accessible for finding the best flight prices?
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Terri
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Downcast now working properly.

[Adam Morris]

Hi all,

Prior to iOS11 as most know downcast would crash regularly.

After updating I've been using it daily and have not had any crashes at all.

Great news for those who switched away and settled on another program.


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Bug pasting text in mail reply ios 11

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi 

I'm having a problem with the mail app if I try to paste a text in the message 
body of a reply. If you also find this, consider reporting to apple please. 
 

Here are steps to reproduce bug: 
1. Copy a text to clipboard.
2. open a mail message you received. 
3. Start reply procedure. 
4.  Note that, although edit mode is on in message body field as expected, vo 
cursor is now on the "to" field. It's not in edit mode. 

5. Paste the text. 
6. The text gets placed in the "to" field instead of the message body. 

Workaround is to make sure vo cursor is on the message body edit field before 
pasting. 

Hope you can fix this inconvenience,

Ioana


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Re: the new Siri voices

[Devin Prater]

The Siri male voice is the same, just a little higher quality.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training:
JAWS certified.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Casey 

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:48:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: the new Siri voices

Hi I have the new female Siri voice.
But I got the new mail Siri voice and it sounds just like the old one.
But it says it is using 300 megs.
So hasn’t this voice changed at all or only the female voice is newer?
If there is A newer sounding mail voice then how do I get it in place of the 
one that I already have?





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RE: Your $800 iPhone 8 Plus has $290 worth of components in it - CNET

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I'm actually surprised the cost of the components is that high. How about we 
guess the cost of the components in a $159 set of Airpods, maybe $10? How about 
the actual material cost of a Milanese Loop band from Apple which I believe is 
also around $150, my guess is about $3 or $4. Of course these are worthless 
excersizes since there is a lot more involved than the cost of the components.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Your $800 iPhone 8 Plus has $290 worth of components in it - CNET

CNET News - Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 9:59 AM Your $800 iPhone 8 Plus has 
$290 worth of components in it - CNET  IHS Markit The analytics company IHS 
Markit on Tuesday issued its annual teardown of iPhone production costs, and if 
the estimate is correct what impresses me most is that the iPhone 8 Plus -- 
with 32GB more memory, a more powerful processor, wireless charging and a 
slightly improved camera -- only costs about $17.80 more to make.
 
IHS Markit's iPhone 8 Plus cost breakdown. (Click to see at full size.) IHS 
Markit While you might see (or emit) gasps of outrage at the thought that over 
half the price of the phone isn't... stuff... it actually makes sense given 
what I suspect is Apple's huge cost overhead of intangibles. (A fancy new HQ, 
for a start.) Plus, as long as the iPhone retains its tech je ne sais quois, 
you'll be paying a zeitgeist premium for it.
Another interesting note from the company's report is that it estimates the 
cost of manufacturing has increased by about $0.60; given the addition of the 
back glass, wireless charging circuitry and so on, that's unsurprising.

Original Article at:
https://www.cnet.com/news/your-800-iphone-8-plus-has-290-worth-of-components
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RE: ... DIFFICULTIES WITH INCREASING LACK OF SPEECH FROM PHONE RESULTING IN TOTAL FAILURE OF 6SE

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Thanks, Chip, it may very well be an issue for a certain subset of people maybe 
who use the SIRI voice as their default voice. All I can say that after the 
main update my volume once dropped way down, but other than that I have 
absolutely 0 occurances of this. I have high quality Samantha as my default 
voice and the new female american SIRI voice as another choice on the rotor. I 
often switch to her when I listen to news articles. I also have a high quality 
german voice on the rotor as well and I have tried out the german SIRI voices, 
but I still prefer Yannick.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 6:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ... DIFFICULTIES WITH INCREASING LACK OF SPEECH FROM PHONE 
RESULTING IN TOTAL FAILURE OF 6SE

Hi Siegard,

FYI, the Apple rep I spoke with said that loss of speech in VoiceOver is now 
considered a known problem with IOS 11  (they have many reports), but he did 
not know the cause or fix.

I changed voices and it stopped happening to me.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ... DIFFICULTIES WITH INCREASING LACK OF SPEECH FROM PHONE 
RESULTING IN TOTAL FAILURE OF 6SE

Hi Carol,

I know this may not be of much help, but for whatever it is worth I have 
absolutely no issues with Voiceover disappearing on my 6S Plus, it wasn't a 
concern in iOS 10 and it is not a concern in iOS 11. OK, after the update 
Voiceover was gone once, but it was simply a volume issue and pressing the 
volume up button 5 or 6 times brought the volume level back up and it hasn't 
happened since.
It really does seem like people who set a SIRI voice as their default voice 
have problems with this, I suggest you set another voice as your default and if 
you want to use SIRI, add that as a rotor language. You can then switch to it 
by turning your rotor to Languages and flick up or down.
I have done this with the new american femal SIRI voice because she does sound 
veryt nice although she is too slow for me for every-day use. But I do like her 
for reading maybe news articles and so on and once I select her she stays 
selected until I go back to my default. She even stays selected if you turn 
Voiceover off and back on, I assume completely rebooting the phone may reset 
the voice to your default, but I only reboot my phone maybe once a month so 
that wouldn't bother me too much.
I assume you tried this, but have you plugged I n the Earpods or another wired 
headset to see if there is sound?

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: ... DIFFICULTIES WITH INCREASING LACK OF SPEECH FROM PHONE RESULTING 
IN TOTAL FAILURE OF 6SE

I upgraded to iOS11 last night and certainly shouldn't have done so. I felt too 
tired and weary to battle with iTunes (my dreaded hate) so decided to do 
without since I've never been locked out with the over the air download.


It went well and I was back in successfully, having got rather bogged down with 
all the prelimnaries and did in fact set up the UK Siri female voice which was 
working OK for the short time I used it.


I decided to have another go at the Touch ID as I was setting up but still 
didn't get more than a couple of prints accepted. (I never can!) I gave it up 
and, very soon after this, came the problem!


I lost all speech (as I have several times lately) and *before* moving to 
iOS11! I have always eventually got in after these occasions, but sometimes 
it's taxed me when it comes to get VO to be turned on/off in appropriate places 
and correctly and the odd wrestle with volumes also! 
I have not been in a position to take my phone into the store and of course 
couldn't choose to stop using it ...


I tried recovery mode eventually without success and so I moved to the other 
computer in the house, installed iTunes and tried again! (Silly girl!)


This time my (still dead) iPhone 6 did sort of work in that it offered to 
download my music from the phone to the new iTunes on the second computer! 
Great! I thought that at least I'd have something I could use to salvich some 
of the messs!


However, I still couldn't get any speech and, because I know I have to just 
wait Apple's help to do anything further, I thought at the very least I'd best 
check up just how many folk have wrestled with intermittent and ever increasing 
voice loss even before iOS11?


In fact, it's probably best if you have that you go directly to Apple to alert 
them, as I shall do just as soon as I have enough things sorted to be able to 
do that!


Before you all offer suggestions as to how I might manage to get bac

RE: Latest iPhone update

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Judy,

I haven't noticed any Voiceover changes, but there are no additional issues, 
either, as far as I can tell so it seems to be safe enough to update.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Judy Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 6:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Latest iPhone update

Hello:

Has anyone tried the new 11.01 update yet?  I noticed that it is now available 
today, but wanted to hear from others if it is any better than the one we got 
last week.


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Comment: Why the iPhone X appears to be power-hungry despite more efficient OLED screen

[Terje Strømberg]

On 10 screen curtain may save battery for the first time in iPhone history. 

Take care

> Den 26. sep. 2017 kl. 15.30 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> 
> Comment: Why the iPhone X appears to be power-hungry despite more efficient 
> OLED screen
> 9to5Mac  /  Ben Lovejoy
> 
> 
> We noted earlier a Chinese regulatory filing that appears to confirm an 
> earlier report that the iPhone X will come equipped with 3GB RAM. That same 
> filing also contains another interesting number: the apparent battery 
> capacity.
> 
> Serial leaker Steve Hemmerstoffer tweeted the image showing a battery 
> capacity of 2716mAh – even higher than the 2691mAh battery found in the 
> iPhone 8 Plus, with its far less power-efficient LCD screen …
> 
> 
> LCD screens use a backlight to light up the entire display area. Even an area 
> of the screen that is solid black gets the same amount of light, it is simply 
> blocked by the black LCD pixels. OLED, in contrast, lights individual pixels, 
> without any backlight required. A black area of the screen therefore uses no 
> power.
> 
> It’s difficult to find true like-for-like comparisons, as manufacturers 
> typically take advantage of the power efficiency of OLED by making their 
> displays brighter. But a little Googling suggests that an OLED screen ought 
> to use around two-thirds the power of an equivalent LCD one.
> 
> The iPhone X does, of course, have a somewhat larger display than the iPhone 
> 8 Plus, at 5.8 inches rather than 5.5 inches, but 5% more display area is 
> relatively trivial compared to the power savings of OLED.
> 
> This suggests, then, that there’s other technology in the iPhone which 
> requires significantly more power than less advanced models.
> 
> One obvious candidate is the optical image stabilization system. While the 
> iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus have OIS on one camera, the iPhone X has it on 
> both cameras. OIS has motors that physically move the lens to counteract hand 
> movements, and this requires significant amounts of power.
> 
> A second likely suspect is the TrueDepth camera system. This is used not just 
> for face recognition for unlocking the phone and authorizing Apple Pay 
> transactions, but also for the new Animoji feature and the Portrait Mode when 
> used with the front-facing camera.
> 
> The TrueDepth camera requires an infrared ‘flood illuminator.’ Although it 
> doesn’t use visible light, this will use power levels not massively 
> dissimilar to a visible-light flash, but will be operating for much longer 
> periods.
> 
> So even with a larger battery and much more power-efficient display, Apple 
> clearly finds that the extra features on the iPhone X eat significant amounts 
> of power. It cites 12 hours of Internet use and 13 hours of video playback 
> against an hour more of each for the iPhone 8 Plus.
> 
> When it comes to recharging your iPhone X or iPhone 8 battery, you’ll have 
> the choice of fast-charging via wire or wireless charging with a pad, 
> wireless charging without a pad or using furniture. Manufacturers of Qi 
> chargers have wasted in no time in adding iPhone compatibility to their 
> product descriptions.
> 
> Check out 9to5Mac on YouTube for more Apple news:
> 
> 
> 
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The best (and worst) new iPhone 8/Plus features

[M. Taylor]

9to5Mac - Monday, September 25, 2017 at 1:37 PM
The best (and worst) new iPhone 8/Plus features [Video]
 
The iPhone 8, and iPhone 8 Plus are officially on sale, and we were able to
score both new smartphones early last Friday morning (read Jordan's full
review).
This launch felt a little different from past iPhone launches, simply
because the highly-anticipated iPhone X looms large on the horizon. I've
asked lots of people, and many of them have stated that they are waiting for
Apple's OLED-enabled, diminished-bezel flagship model.
But just because the iPhone X is coming later this year doesn't
automatically mean that you should ignore the iPhone 8. Apple's brand new
flagship smartphone shares a lot of the same design characteristics as the
iPhone 6, 6s, and 7, but it also shares some of the same technical power
that's found inside the iPhone X. In this hands-on video unboxing and
walkthrough, we consider some of the iPhone 8's best new features. 

Top iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus features
Glass back
In my opinion the iPhone 4 was the best looking iPhone of all time. Much of
that had to do with the symmetry of the device, along with its shatter-prone
glass back. After the iPhone 4s, Apple abandoned the rear glass design.
Seven years after the iPhone 4 debuted, the glass back makes its
long-awaited return. Since the iPhone 8 sports the familiar curved-edge
design of the iPhone 6-era, the glass is more subtle this time around.
Durability
One of the reasons that Apple ditched the glass back starting with the
iPhone 5 was because it was shatter-prone. This time around, Apple worked
directly with glass-supplier Corning to come up with a solution that can
stand up to abuse. The glass in the iPhone 8 is reportedly more durable than
Corning's own flagship Gorilla Glass 5 product used in many of today's top
smartphones.
Video walkthrough
[embedded content]
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Classy new gold color
If you weren't a fan of the gold and rose gold colors on older iPhone
hardware, then there's a good chance you'll like the iPhone 8's new gold
color. The iPhone 8's gold is less pink than rose gold, and less gaudy than
the regular gold on older devices. It's more of a refined, classy caramel
look, that slightly changes color based on ambient lighting.
 
A11 Bionic Processor
By now we've all read the reports about how fast the iPhone 8 is. Thanks to
its six-core A11 Bionic processor, the iPhone 8 runs circles around most
Android phones, and is seen competing with some of Intel's mid-range
consumer Core-series processors. Featuring a second-generation performance
controller that's capable of using all six-cores simultaneously, it delivers
significantly higher performance than last year's A10 Fusion.
 
Apple-designed GPU
After controversially ditching London-based GPU-supplier Imagination, Apple,
for the first time, is using its own custom-designed silicon to power the
iPhone 8's graphics. The result is an up to 30% boost in performance.
 
Coupled with the new Metal 2 API found in iOS 11, which lends near direct
access to the GPU, it's exciting to think about the type of games, machine
learning, and AR applications that may be possible on the iPhone 8 and
future iPhone models.
Louder speakers
Apple says that the stereo speakers in the iPhone 8 are up to 25% louder and
deliver deeper bass. After doing a side-by-side comparison, I agree with its
claims. Sound quality remains nothing to write home about, but you will
notice overall louder volume, and subtle, yet noticeable gains on the
low-end.
 
True Tone Display
The iPad Pro's True Tone display is a great feature, because it
automatically adjusts the color temperature of the screen to compliment the
ambient lighting of your environment. With a device featuring a screen as
large as the iPad Pro, the True Tone effect is much more pronounced on
Apple's flagship tablet. It's still a great feature to have on the iPhone 8,
I just find that it's not as important as it is on the iPad Pro.
 
Reduced shutter lag + haptic feedback
The A11 Bionic's new image signal processor, or ISP, improves the
performance of the cameras in the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus. One of the things you
may notice is the reduced shutter lag when taking photos. A snappier shutter
increases the likelihood that you'll be able to snag an in-the-moment photo
before it's too late.
 
There's also the subtle presence of haptic feedback when pressing the
shutter button. This lends users with a sensory confirmation that the
shutter was pressed successfully, resulting in a more complete-feeling
photo-taking experience.
Quad LED True Tone Flash with Slow Sync
The Quad-LED flash now comes equipped with Slow Sync, a technology that
combines a slow shutter speed with a short strobe pulse. When using the
flash, Slow Sync affords a brighter foreground while providing a properly
exposed background. It means that your photos will appear more even and
natural, even when shot in less-than-ideal lighting 

Major macOS (incl. High Sierra) Keychain password extraction vulnerability to be addressed by Apple in update [Video]

[M. Taylor]

9to5Mac - Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 5:07 AM
Major macOS (incl. High Sierra) Keychain password extraction vulnerability
to be addressed by Apple in update [Video]
 
A macOS vulnerability discovered by security researcher Patrick Wardle
allows any app - signed or unsigned - to extract plain text passwords from
Keychain. Wardle demonstrated the exploit with a proof of concept app, seen
in the video below.
The vulnerability is a huge one, because Keychain data is secured by 256-bit
AES encryption, which should make it virtually uncrackable - and because the
bug affects all versions of macOS, including High Sierra .

What is supposed to happen is that only the app authorized to access a
particular password can decrypt it. But Wardle demonstrated his app was able
to extract and decrypt passwords for Twitter, Facebook, and Bank of America.
The app is able to do this without any user intervention.
The demonstration video shows it running in an unsigned app, which are
blocked by default in macOS, but Wardle says this was only to demonstrate
how low the security bar is set. It works equally well in signed apps.
As a responsible researcher, Wardle reported the vulnerability to Apple on
September 7 and will not disclose the method used until Apple has patched
it. He told Gizmodo that the company is likely to do so soon.
He also says that this is not a reason to hold off on upgrading to High
Sierra: it's not a newly-introduced bug.
I think everyone should update. There's a lot of good built-in security
features. This attack works on older versions of macOS as well. There's no
reason for people not to upgrade.
Check out the video demo below.
Patrick Wardle is a former NSA staffer who last year demonstrated Mac
malware that could tap into live webcam and microphone feeds. He also
discovered Mac malware in the wild that allowed access to webcam photos,
screenshots and key-logging, and a separate exploit that would let someone
with local access to a Mac escalate their privileges to root.
[embedded content]
 
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watchOS 4: How to customize and use the new Siri face on Apple Watch

[M. Taylor]

9to5Mac - Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 8:51 AM
watchOS 4: How to customize and use the new Siri face on Apple Watch
 
watchOS 4 introduces a new Siri watch face on Apple Watch that intelligently
updates to show you relevant content throughout the day. The Siri watch face
pulls data from 14 different sources by default, but customizing these
sources can help remove information from the timeline that you don't need
and make the watch face more useful.
 
The Siri watch face includes a digital clock with a flashing second
indicator (but no option for seconds), two customizable complications
including a new Siri complication, and two dynamic tiles of information.
These tiles will update depending on time of day, date, current events,
activity progress, and more.
Like other watch faces, swiping down from the top reveals Notification
Center and swiping up from the bottom opens Control Center. Spin the Digital
Crown on Siri face, however, and the timeline becomes a vertical carousel of
information.
Rotating the Digital Crown downward shows Recent and All-Day tiles like
temperature highs and lows and Now Playing cards. The tap minimizes to the
top right corner with a light background indicating that it's a button you
can tap to return to the main view. You can also click the Digital Crown to
leave the timeline and go back to the starting point.
Rotating the Digital Crown upward shows you tiles for Up Next and Tomorrow.
Siri face previews the first Up Next tiles by default, and scrolling here
reveals more. Rolling the Digital Crown lets you move around the timeline
too.
 
While these tiles change dynamically, Siri face features two complications
that you set. My default, the new Siri complication is located in the top
left (this is the only face with this complication) and the date is located
above the digital clock.
Tapping the Siri complication invokes the voice assistant just like holding
the Digital Crown or saying 'Hey Siri' when the display is on. It's a
visually satisfying complication, but you may get more use out of Siri face
if you put something else here since you can invoke Siri with voice or a
click.
 
Press the Siri face firmly, then select Customize to choose between
Activity, Alarm, Battery, Breathe, Calendar, Date, Find My Friends, Heart
Rate, Home, Mail, Maps, Messages, Moon Phase, Music, News, Phone, Reminders,
Remote, Siri, Stocks, Stopwatch, Sunrise/Sunset, Timer, Weather, Weather
Conditions, Workout, World Clock, and third-party complications.
The top right complication is a bit smaller and can be set to Alarm,
Battery, Calendar, Date, Heart Rate, News, Stocks, Stopwatch,
Sunrise/Sunset, Timer, Weather, World Clock, and third-party complications.
 
After you personalize the two complications, consider customizing which data
sources Siri face uses. You can't do this from the Apple Watch, however, so
you'll need your iPhone. Open the Watch app on your iPhone, look for the
Siri face in the My Faces section (or add it from the Face Gallery tab at
the bottom), then tap the Siri face to reveal customization options.
>From here you can set both complications just like on the Apple Watch, and a
Data Sources list lets you toggle apps that appear on Siri face on and off.
watchOS 4.0 includes 14 data sources: Alarms, Breathe, Calendar, Home, News,
Now Playing, Photos, Reminders, Stocks, Stopwatch, Timer, Wallet, Weather,
and Workout.
You can't use third-party apps as data sources (yet), but you can disable
data sources that aren't useful for you and declutter the Siri face
timeline. For example, I toggle off Photos, News, and Stocks to avoid seeing
poorly chosen snapshots, the latest Trump headline, and stock market changes
on my Siri face.
This cleans up the experience for me and only surfaces useful tiles like
HomeKit scene triggers, exercise recommendations, and upcoming Wallet
passes.
My 'Good morning' scene is displayed when I wake up, and the 'Good night'
scene is shown in the evening. Tapping these launches the Home app and shows
the specific scene in the list, then tapping the scene activates it (which
turns my lights off, locks the front door, etc.).
 
Siri face is a great exercise coach, too, as it will recommend the exact
amount of walking you should do to complete your Move goal at the end of the
day. Siri face also shows the Now Playing card for music and podcasts played
on the iPhone (or music on the watch), upcoming alarms and reminders appear
in the timeline as well as calendar events, and Wallet passes are surfaced
to the top when needed just like the lock screen on the iPhone.
You'll also see currently active Timers appear dynamically, sunrise and
sunset times, and Breathe app reminders.
I wish there was a version with analog watch hands (and second hands on the
digital clock) and third-party apps as data sources would be appreciated. It
also feels unnecessary to open Notification Center to view a missed alert
when the Siri face timeline could optionally display alerts as well, but
per

Your $800 iPhone 8 Plus has $290 worth of components in it - CNET

[M. Taylor]

CNET News - Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 9:59 AM
Your $800 iPhone 8 Plus has $290 worth of components in it - CNET
 IHS Markit 
The analytics company IHS Markit on Tuesday issued its annual teardown of
iPhone production costs, and if the estimate is correct what impresses me
most is that the iPhone 8 Plus -- with 32GB more memory, a more powerful
processor, wireless charging and a slightly improved camera -- only costs
about $17.80 more to make.
 
IHS Markit's iPhone 8 Plus cost breakdown. (Click to see at full size.)
IHS Markit 
While you might see (or emit) gasps of outrage at the thought that over half
the price of the phone isn't... stuff... it actually makes sense given what
I suspect is Apple's huge cost overhead of intangibles. (A fancy new HQ, for
a start.) 
Plus, as long as the iPhone retains its tech je ne sais quois, you'll be
paying a zeitgeist premium for it.
Another interesting note from the company's report is that it estimates the
cost of manufacturing has increased by about $0.60; given the addition of
the back glass, wireless charging circuitry and so on, that's unsurprising.

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Re: IOS 11.0.1 is out

['Ming' via VIPhone]

for thoughs  of you have join the IOS public beta programme.
you have to delete the public beta profile and then restart your device.
then you can get the update!


hope that's help!

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 主旨: Re: IOS 11.0.1 is out
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 I got it earlier today, so
 it is out.
 Travis
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 I think it might just be for
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 I think
 those of us running the public beta program are not 
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 U.K. 
 
 > On 
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 > 
 > Oh, I
 didn’t get it yet, should I restart my phone 
 
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 >> Gordon
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 >> 
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 I'm getting it right now. It says bug 
 fixes.
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RE: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET

[Alan Lemly]

Mark,

What happens with an iPhone 8 when you hold down the wake/lock key and the 
volume down button simultaneously? Is the key sequence mentioned in the article 
a replacement of that combination or an alternative to it? If the former, why 
did they need to change it?

Alan

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Allen,

The key sequence, mentioned in the article, is for the 8/8+ phone, only.  
Remember, it is a hardware key sequence designed to force restart the device 
should the OS freeze.

I tried this key sequence, on a store demonstration model, and it functioned as 
expected.

Mark

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Mark,

I read the below article but confess it confused me more than anything. First 
of all, the article states that the old reboot key combination of holding down 
the wake/lock key with the volume down button will launch the emergency SOS 
feature on the iPhone 8/8 Plus. I thought pressing the wake/lock also called 
the power button five times quickly launched the emergency SOS service. That's 
what all the iOS 11 information I've been reading states and I assume the 
iPhone 8 comes with iOS 11.

The article also distinguishes that what is being discussed is a button 
sequence as opposed to a button combination as has always been the case. Are 
they saying that this button sequence is an alternative and that the button 
combination also still works?

As I said up front, this article raises more questions than anything. And if 
they really have changed the reboot button combination to a reboot button 
sequence, they ought to be throttled.

Alan Lemly

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Subject: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET

CNET How To - Monday, September 25, 2017 at 7:56 AM How to force restart the 
iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET With the iPhone 8 ($699.00 at Apple) and 8 
Plus, Apple has once again changed the button combination used to force restart 
a frozen phone.
Up until the iPhone 7 ($720.00 at Amazon Marketplace) and 7 Plus ($785.70 at 
Amazon Marketplace), you could hold the wake/lock (or "side" button) and the 
home button at the same time until the Apple logo appeared. That process 
changed with the iPhone 7 lineup, when you had to hold the wake/lock and volume 
down buttons to complete the process.
 
Now Playing: Watch this: iPhone 8 drop test: How tough is the glass? 
4:45
If you try the same thing on the iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, however, you'll quickly 
learn that's how the Emergency SOS feature is triggered. Depending on your 
settings, your phone may end up playing a loud alarm and calling emergency 
services when all you wanted to do was restart your device.
Apple has published the button sequence (not combination) that restarts the 
iPhone 8 and 8 Plus. Here's what you need to do:
.   Quickly press and release the volume up button.
.   Quickly press and release the volume down button.
.   Hold in the wake/lock button until you see the Apple logo.
The next time your phone is running a bit slow or is frozen, keep this in mind. 
It took me a few tries to get it just right, but it indeed works.

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Re: My phone now only rings once

[Nimer Jaber]

This has been an issue for a long, long, long, long time... and it only
seems to happen with some phones, and generally when the mute switch is on.
Incredibly annoying... I do hope it gets fixed eventually.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 7:04 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Did you accidently turn auto answer on?
> Check Accessibility Settings > Call Audio Routing > Auto Answer Calls and
> make sure it is set to off and not 3 seconds or some other time interval.
>
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Re: IOS 11.0.1 is out

[Kwork]

I got it earlier today, so it is out.
Travis
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Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: IOS 11.0.1 is out


I think it might just be for developers. If that’s the case then we might see 
the public release tomorrow.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Harry 
Bell 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30:28 PM
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I think those of us running the public beta program are not getting this 
update. My wife has got it, I don’t. Harry in U.K. 

> On 27 Sep 2017, at 01:00, '鍾 智明' via VIPhone  wrote:
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> Oh, I didn’t get it yet, should I restart my phone 
> 
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>> I'm getting it right now. It says bug fixes.
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RE: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET

[M. Taylor]

Allen,

The key sequence, mentioned in the article, is for the 8/8+ phone, only.  
Remember, it is a hardware key sequence designed to force restart the device 
should the OS freeze.

I tried this key sequence, on a store demonstration model, and it functioned as 
expected.

Mark

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Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 12:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET

Mark,

I read the below article but confess it confused me more than anything. First 
of all, the article states that the old reboot key combination of holding down 
the wake/lock key with the volume down button will launch the emergency SOS 
feature on the iPhone 8/8 Plus. I thought pressing the wake/lock also called 
the power button five times quickly launched the emergency SOS service. That's 
what all the iOS 11 information I've been reading states and I assume the 
iPhone 8 comes with iOS 11.

The article also distinguishes that what is being discussed is a button 
sequence as opposed to a button combination as has always been the case. Are 
they saying that this button sequence is an alternative and that the button 
combination also still works?

As I said up front, this article raises more questions than anything. And if 
they really have changed the reboot button combination to a reboot button 
sequence, they ought to be throttled.

Alan Lemly

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Subject: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET

CNET How To - Monday, September 25, 2017 at 7:56 AM How to force restart the 
iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET With the iPhone 8 ($699.00 at Apple) and 8 
Plus, Apple has once again changed the button combination used to force restart 
a frozen phone.
Up until the iPhone 7 ($720.00 at Amazon Marketplace) and 7 Plus ($785.70 at 
Amazon Marketplace), you could hold the wake/lock (or "side" button) and the 
home button at the same time until the Apple logo appeared. That process 
changed with the iPhone 7 lineup, when you had to hold the wake/lock and volume 
down buttons to complete the process.
 
Now Playing: Watch this: iPhone 8 drop test: How tough is the glass? 
4:45
If you try the same thing on the iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, however, you'll quickly 
learn that's how the Emergency SOS feature is triggered. Depending on your 
settings, your phone may end up playing a loud alarm and calling emergency 
services when all you wanted to do was restart your device.
Apple has published the button sequence (not combination) that restarts the 
iPhone 8 and 8 Plus. Here's what you need to do:
.   Quickly press and release the volume up button.
.   Quickly press and release the volume down button.
.   Hold in the wake/lock button until you see the Apple logo.
The next time your phone is running a bit slow or is frozen, keep this in mind. 
It took me a few tries to get it just right, but it indeed works.

Original Article At:
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Re: Type Nine - T9 Keyboard

[Maria Reyes]

I just clicked on the link that was provided.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:34:49 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: Type Nine - T9 Keyboard

How do you use it? I downloaded it and couldn't get past square one, beyond 
adding it as a keyboard and opening it. Keith

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Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 2:15 PM
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Subject: Re: Type Nine - T9 Keyboard

Hello, yes, and I like it.

> On 26 Sep 2017, at 09:35, 'Ming' via VIPhone  wrote:
>
> anyone try this app yet?
> Type Nine Keyboard - The ultimate typing experience
> Please note: Type Nine currently supports 34 languages listed at the bottom. 
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> Swiping:
> Type Nine is the first keyboard ever to combine a keypad layout with swiping. 
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> Multiple languages at the same time:
> Type Nine suggests words from multiple languages at the same time. No need to 
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> VoiceOver:
> If you're using VoiceOver, Type Nine will be a pleasent improvement to your 
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> Remembers your words:
> If a word is not in the dictionary you can type it manually with ease, and 
> Type Nine will remember it for you. Every time you write a word, Type Nine 
> will adjust its behavior so that the most used word is suggested first.
> Easy to follow tutorials:
> Getting started with Type Nine is easy. Everything is put together in an 
> intuitive manner, and if you want to start using all the efficient hidden 
> gems, there are tutorials to explain how to do that.
> Themes:
> Type Nine features a handfull of different themes to suite your mood or taste.
> Emojis:
> All the iOS emojis with easy access. Your most used smileys are easily 
> accessed by a single swipe.
> Delete so sweet:
> The backspace button in Type Nine is nothing short of a miracle. By swiping 
> left you delete an entire word, but by swiping slowly you can precision 
> delete much better than simply holding down backspace. You can even undo what 
> you deleted or cut it to a different position by swiping down on delete.
> Moving the cursor:
> No more cramps in your fingers trying to move the cursor to the correct 
> position. Simply swipe left or right on space to move the cursor an entire 
> word at a time, or swipe slowly to position precisely.
> Resizing for big screens:
> If you're using an iPhone 6 plus or an iPad, you can easily resize the 
> keyboard to a better size for one-handed typing.
> Supported languages:
> English
> Spanish
> Portuguese
> Russian
> German
> Danish
> French
> Turkish
> Italian
> Dutch
> Norwegian
> Polish
> Greek
> Romanian
> Bosnian
> Catala
> Czech
> Basque
> Finnish
> Irish
> Croatian
> Hungarian
> Lithuanian
> Latvian
> Slovak
> Slovene
> Albanian
> Swedish
> Serbian latin
> Serbian cyrillics
> Bulgarian
> Scottish Gaelic
> Galician
> Manx
>
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Voice Messages Between iPhone and Mac

[Brandon Olivares]

Kind of a weird question I know, but I'm looking for an app for both iPhone and 
Mac that would let me send a voice message / announcement from my Mac to 
someone else's iPhone on the same network.

I know you can do this with Messages, but I mean something more akin to a 
walkie talkie where you can just press a button and talk back and forth.

I found an app called Echoes, and it works great on the Mac, but can't figure 
it out on the iPhone. Not very accessible.

Any other thoughts?

Thanks,
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Re: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

[Yolanda Thompson]

Especially if you turn VO on and off.  Thought I would never get it
paired to my iPhone 8+.

On 9/26/17, John Panarese  wrote:
>   It's a little slow at times  in responsiveness. At least, that is what I
> am experiencing here.
>
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> Take Care
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>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a first generation AppleWatch, and haven’t yet decided whether to
>> upgrade to a Series 3. I’m still with Watch OS 3. Has anyone updated a
>> First generation AppleWatch to Watch OS 4? If so, I’d appreciate learning
>> of your experience with this combo.
>>
>> Thanks in advance, Keith
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Re: IOS 11.0.1 is out

[Harry Bell]

I just deleted my ios 11 beta profile, rebooted and the iOS 11.0.1 update 
appeared immediately!

> On 27 Sep 2017, at 03:33, Maria Reyes  wrote:
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> I think it might just be for developers. If that’s the case then we might see 
> the public release tomorrow.
> 
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Harry 
> Bell 
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>  
> I think those of us running the public beta program are not getting this 
> update. My wife has got it, I don’t. Harry in U.K. 
> 
> > On 27 Sep 2017, at 01:00, '鍾 智明' via VIPhone  
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> > Oh, I didn’t get it yet, should I restart my phone 
> > 
> > Ming
> > Skype: chungchiming9950
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> >> Gordon  於 2017年9月27日 上午1:09 寫道：
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> >> I'm getting it right now. It says bug fixes.
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Re: IOS 11.0.1 is out

[Maria Reyes]

I think it might just be for developers. If that’s the case then we might see 
the public release tomorrow.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Harry 
Bell 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 11.0.1 is out

I think those of us running the public beta program are not getting this 
update. My wife has got it, I don’t. Harry in U.K.

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> Oh, I didn’t get it yet, should I restart my phone
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>> Gordon  於 2017年9月27日 上午1:09 寫道：
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>> I'm getting it right now. It says bug fixes.
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Re: ... DIFFICULTIES WITH INCREASING LACK OF SPEECH FROM PHONE RESULTING IN TOTAL FAILURE OF 6SE

[Maria Reyes]

I wonder if this is a current bug in the final release? I went through the beta 
cycle and never lost speech when I updated.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Chip 
Orange 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:56:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ... DIFFICULTIES WITH INCREASING LACK OF SPEECH FROM PHONE 
RESULTING IN TOTAL FAILURE OF 6SE

Hi Siegard,

FYI, the Apple rep I spoke with said that loss of speech in VoiceOver is now 
considered a known problem with IOS 11  (they have many reports), but he did 
not know the cause or fix.

I changed voices and it stopped happening to me.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ... DIFFICULTIES WITH INCREASING LACK OF SPEECH FROM PHONE 
RESULTING IN TOTAL FAILURE OF 6SE

Hi Carol,

I know this may not be of much help, but for whatever it is worth I have 
absolutely no issues with Voiceover disappearing on my 6S Plus, it wasn't a 
concern in iOS 10 and it is not a concern in iOS 11. OK, after the update 
Voiceover was gone once, but it was simply a volume issue and pressing the 
volume up button 5 or 6 times brought the volume level back up and it hasn't 
happened since.
It really does seem like people who set a SIRI voice as their default voice 
have problems with this, I suggest you set another voice as your default and if 
you want to use SIRI, add that as a rotor language. You can then switch to it 
by turning your rotor to Languages and flick up or down.
I have done this with the new american femal SIRI voice because she does sound 
veryt nice although she is too slow for me for every-day use. But I do like her 
for reading maybe news articles and so on and once I select her she stays 
selected until I go back to my default. She even stays selected if you turn 
Voiceover off and back on, I assume completely rebooting the phone may reset 
the voice to your default, but I only reboot my phone maybe once a month so 
that wouldn't bother me too much.
I assume you tried this, but have you plugged I n the Earpods or another wired 
headset to see if there is sound?

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: ... DIFFICULTIES WITH INCREASING LACK OF SPEECH FROM PHONE RESULTING 
IN TOTAL FAILURE OF 6SE

I upgraded to iOS11 last night and certainly shouldn't have done so. I felt too 
tired and weary to battle with iTunes (my dreaded hate) so decided to do 
without since I've never been locked out with the over the air download.


It went well and I was back in successfully, having got rather bogged down with 
all the prelimnaries and did in fact set up the UK Siri female voice which was 
working OK for the short time I used it.


I decided to have another go at the Touch ID as I was setting up but still 
didn't get more than a couple of prints accepted. (I never can!) I gave it up 
and, very soon after this, came the problem!


I lost all speech (as I have several times lately) and *before* moving to 
iOS11! I have always eventually got in after these occasions, but sometimes 
it's taxed me when it comes to get VO to be turned on/off in appropriate places 
and correctly and the odd wrestle with volumes also!
I have not been in a position to take my phone into the store and of course 
couldn't choose to stop using it ...


I tried recovery mode eventually without success and so I moved to the other 
computer in the house, installed iTunes and tried again! (Silly girl!)


This time my (still dead) iPhone 6 did sort of work in that it offered
to download my music from the phone to the new iTunes on the second
computer! Great! I thought that at least I'd have something I could use
to salvich some of the messs!


However, I still couldn't get any speech and, because I know I have to
just wait Apple's help to do anything further, I thought at the very
least I'd best check up just how many folk have wrestled with
intermittent and ever increasing voice loss even before iOS11?


In fact, it's probably best if you have that you go directly to Apple to
alert them, as I shall do just as soon as I have enough things sorted to
be able to do that!


Before you all offer suggestions as to how I might manage to get back
in, let me just say that I am pretty sure I have exhausted everyone for
one reason or another. In fact, I could well have made more progress if
the 4S had a sim installed so I could make calls, retrieve forgotten
information etc, but I'm not any good at changing sims so this must wait
at least until tomorrow and, again, my only reason for writing this was
not to expe

RE: ... DIFFICULTIES WITH INCREASING LACK OF SPEECH FROM PHONE RESULTING IN TOTAL FAILURE OF 6SE

[Chip Orange]

Hi Siegard,

FYI, the Apple rep I spoke with said that loss of speech in VoiceOver is now 
considered a known problem with IOS 11  (they have many reports), but he did 
not know the cause or fix.

I changed voices and it stopped happening to me.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ... DIFFICULTIES WITH INCREASING LACK OF SPEECH FROM PHONE 
RESULTING IN TOTAL FAILURE OF 6SE

Hi Carol,

I know this may not be of much help, but for whatever it is worth I have 
absolutely no issues with Voiceover disappearing on my 6S Plus, it wasn't a 
concern in iOS 10 and it is not a concern in iOS 11. OK, after the update 
Voiceover was gone once, but it was simply a volume issue and pressing the 
volume up button 5 or 6 times brought the volume level back up and it hasn't 
happened since.
It really does seem like people who set a SIRI voice as their default voice 
have problems with this, I suggest you set another voice as your default and if 
you want to use SIRI, add that as a rotor language. You can then switch to it 
by turning your rotor to Languages and flick up or down.
I have done this with the new american femal SIRI voice because she does sound 
veryt nice although she is too slow for me for every-day use. But I do like her 
for reading maybe news articles and so on and once I select her she stays 
selected until I go back to my default. She even stays selected if you turn 
Voiceover off and back on, I assume completely rebooting the phone may reset 
the voice to your default, but I only reboot my phone maybe once a month so 
that wouldn't bother me too much.
I assume you tried this, but have you plugged I n the Earpods or another wired 
headset to see if there is sound?

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: ... DIFFICULTIES WITH INCREASING LACK OF SPEECH FROM PHONE RESULTING 
IN TOTAL FAILURE OF 6SE

I upgraded to iOS11 last night and certainly shouldn't have done so. I felt too 
tired and weary to battle with iTunes (my dreaded hate) so decided to do 
without since I've never been locked out with the over the air download.


It went well and I was back in successfully, having got rather bogged down with 
all the prelimnaries and did in fact set up the UK Siri female voice which was 
working OK for the short time I used it.


I decided to have another go at the Touch ID as I was setting up but still 
didn't get more than a couple of prints accepted. (I never can!) I gave it up 
and, very soon after this, came the problem!


I lost all speech (as I have several times lately) and *before* moving to 
iOS11! I have always eventually got in after these occasions, but sometimes 
it's taxed me when it comes to get VO to be turned on/off in appropriate places 
and correctly and the odd wrestle with volumes also! 
I have not been in a position to take my phone into the store and of course 
couldn't choose to stop using it ...


I tried recovery mode eventually without success and so I moved to the other 
computer in the house, installed iTunes and tried again! (Silly girl!)


This time my (still dead) iPhone 6 did sort of work in that it offered 
to download my music from the phone to the new iTunes on the second 
computer! Great! I thought that at least I'd have something I could use 
to salvich some of the messs!


However, I still couldn't get any speech and, because I know I have to 
just wait Apple's help to do anything further, I thought at the very 
least I'd best check up just how many folk have wrestled with 
intermittent and ever increasing voice loss even before iOS11?


In fact, it's probably best if you have that you go directly to Apple to 
alert them, as I shall do just as soon as I have enough things sorted to 
be able to do that!


Before you all offer suggestions as to how I might manage to get back 
in, let me just say that I am pretty sure I have exhausted everyone for 
one reason or another. In fact, I could well have made more progress if 
the 4S had a sim installed so I could make calls, retrieve forgotten 
information etc, but I'm not any good at changing sims so this must wait 
at least until tomorrow and, again, my only reason for writing this was 
not to expect anyone to be trying to find things I haven't done (or 
can't anyway) but to suggest that all those who have experienced 
anything like a part of this problem with VO dying should just let Apple 
know about it before you crash also!


I am beginning to think that some of this iPhone stuff is just getting 
too complicated for me now! Problem is, I can't do without it!  
Thanks to those who have read to the end!

-- 


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RE: ... DIFFICULTIES WITH INCREASING LACK OF SPEECH FROM PHONE RESULTING IN TOTAL FAILURE OF 6SE

[Chip Orange]

Yes, I had a similar issue with VoiceOver losing speech several times, after I 
tried using the new Siri male voice.  I had to hard reset the phone, then when 
it came  back up I had to also turn off and back on VoiceOver before it would 
begin speaking (using a different voice).

It seems it kept erasing my choice of Siri male voice and then of course it 
would lose speech.  They did not know if the problem was that voice or 
something on my phone, but I had to switch to another voice to work around it.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 1:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: ... DIFFICULTIES WITH INCREASING LACK OF SPEECH FROM PHONE RESULTING 
IN TOTAL FAILURE OF 6SE

I upgraded to iOS11 last night and certainly shouldn't have done so. I 
felt too tired and weary to battle with iTunes (my dreaded hate) so 
decided to do without since I've never been locked out with the over the 
air download.


It went well and I was back in successfully, having got rather bogged 
down with all the prelimnaries and did in fact set up the UK Siri female 
voice which was working OK for the short time I used it.


I decided to have another go at the Touch ID as I was setting up but 
still didn't get more than a couple of prints accepted. (I never can!) I 
gave it up and, very soon after this, came the problem!


I lost all speech (as I have several times lately) and *before* moving 
to iOS11! I have always eventually got in after these occasions, but 
sometimes it's taxed me when it comes to get VO to be turned on/off in 
appropriate places and correctly and the odd wrestle with volumes also! 
I have not been in a position to take my phone into the store and of 
course couldn't choose to stop using it ...


I tried recovery mode eventually without success and so I moved to the 
other computer in the house, installed iTunes and tried again! (Silly girl!)


This time my (still dead) iPhone 6 did sort of work in that it offered 
to download my music from the phone to the new iTunes on the second 
computer! Great! I thought that at least I'd have something I could use 
to salvich some of the messs!


However, I still couldn't get any speech and, because I know I have to 
just wait Apple's help to do anything further, I thought at the very 
least I'd best check up just how many folk have wrestled with 
intermittent and ever increasing voice loss even before iOS11?


In fact, it's probably best if you have that you go directly to Apple to 
alert them, as I shall do just as soon as I have enough things sorted to 
be able to do that!


Before you all offer suggestions as to how I might manage to get back 
in, let me just say that I am pretty sure I have exhausted everyone for 
one reason or another. In fact, I could well have made more progress if 
the 4S had a sim installed so I could make calls, retrieve forgotten 
information etc, but I'm not any good at changing sims so this must wait 
at least until tomorrow and, again, my only reason for writing this was 
not to expect anyone to be trying to find things I haven't done (or 
can't anyway) but to suggest that all those who have experienced 
anything like a part of this problem with VO dying should just let Apple 
know about it before you crash also!


I am beginning to think that some of this iPhone stuff is just getting 
too complicated for me now! Problem is, I can't do without it!  
Thanks to those who have read to the end!

-- 


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Re: IOS 11.0.1 is out

[Harry Bell]

I think those of us running the public beta program are not getting this 
update. My wife has got it, I don’t. Harry in U.K. 

> On 27 Sep 2017, at 01:00, '鍾 智明' via VIPhone  wrote:
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> Oh, I didn’t get it yet, should I restart my phone 
> 
> Ming
> Skype: chungchiming9950
> 
> 
>> Gordon  於 2017年9月27日 上午1:09 寫道：
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>> I'm getting it right now. It says bug fixes.
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Latest iPhone update

[Judy Phillips]

Hello:

Has anyone tried the new 11.01 update yet?  I noticed that it is now available 
today, but wanted to hear from others if it is any better than the one we got 
last week.


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RE: Apps for flights, or possible trains

[Cris Ali]

I apologize for the blank message.
I use Cheap Tickets.  The website is not user friendly to screen reader users.  
The app is very accessible.
Cheers,
Cris

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Cris Ali
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Subject: Re: Apps for flights, or possible trains



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 26, 2017, at 6:03 PM, Terri Stimmel 
mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hello everyone,


I have a friend who would like to come and see me. But I haven't looked
at airplane, ticket prices in quite a long time. We are trying to find
them the best option.


They would have to leave out of a smaller airport, then fly out of a
larger 1, just on 1 flight, I believe, to get where I am.

Now that's if they fly, which they will likely do.


Are there App sites pretty accessible for finding the best flight prices?


Thank you,


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RE: My phone now only rings once

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Did you accidently turn auto answer on?
Check Accessibility Settings > Call Audio Routing > Auto Answer Calls and make 
sure it is set to off and not 3 seconds or some other time interval.


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My 6S now only rings once. How do I fix this?

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Re: IOS 11.0.1 is out

['鍾 智明' via VIPhone]

Oh, I didn’t get it yet, should I restart my phone 

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> Gordon  於 2017年9月27日 上午1:09 寫道：
> 
> I'm getting it right now. It says bug fixes.
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Re: The mail app and deleting emails with the delete option on the rotor

[Kimberly]

 That maybe true if you’re using the threaded option to view email. However, I 
don’t use my threaded option when I view my email and activity of the router is 
definitely not consistent.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Paul Sandoval  wrote:
> 
> Sieghard,
> 
> Let me see if I can explain this adequately.
> If you have a message thread, as in having multiple messages, and you flick 
> up and double tap on delete thread, the setting will remain on delete thread 
> if the next message in the list is also a threaded conversation. 
> If not the setting will revert to “Activate”
> Vice versa, if you have a single message and you flick up to delete, as long 
> as the next message is also singular, the setting will remain on delete.
> It’s going to take some getting use to.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> Paul
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> This has been dsicussed already and I believe Applevis has actually flagged 
>> this as a bug in iOS 11. If you are in the mail app and flick down to change 
>> the rotor to delete and then double tap to delete the message you are on, 
>> the rotor used to reset itself to “Activate” so that when the next mail 
>> gained focus and you double tapped it would open the message. In iOS 11 the 
>> rotor mostly stays on delete and another doublke tap will also delete the 
>> next message. In good old Apple fashion this is one example where there is 
>> no consistency, some have apparently figured out when it stays on delete and 
>> when it goes back to activate, I have not and I find it annoying and 
>> consider it a bug. I sent the below message to Apple Accessibility and 
>> unfortunately I was informed that this is not a bug but it is “changed” 
>> behaviour. Here my email exchange, I urge as many people as possible toc 
>> omplain to Apple about this since I don’t recall having heard a single 
>> person say they liked how this is behaving. First, my initial message to 
>> Apple Accessibility:
>>  
>> Hello,
>> In the mail app when I am in my Inbox I used to be able to delete emails 
>> using the delete option on the rotor: I would flick to delete and double 
>> tap, afterwards if I double tap on the next email the "Activate" option 
>> which is and should be the default has gained focus and my next email would 
>> open.
>> In iOS 11 I can delete a message in the described way, but often the rotor 
>> remains on the delete option and if I'm not careful and simply do another 
>> double
>> tap I also delete the next message where in fact I was expecting it to open.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard'
>>  
>> Here is Apple's response, according to this the new behaviour is not a bug 
>> but what it should be:
>>  
>> Hello, 
>>  Thank you for your email. The behavior of the rotor in mail has been 
>> changed. Now when you select an action, such as delete, you then double tap 
>> to delete the email. If you double tap again, then the next email in focus 
>> will also be deleted.
>> The delete action will stay active until swipe up or down to change Actions 
>> rotor functions, or twist to select a different rotor item, at which point 
>> it will revert to “Activate” .
>>  
>> Apple Accessibility
>>  
>> Here is my reply to the above:
>>  
>> Hello,
>> Well, you should maybe reassess this change, first of all it is not 
>> consistent since sometimes (I have not figured out a pattern) the rotor does 
>> reset itself to "activate" and secondly I have not heard one single comment 
>> on the Viphone and other lists where Voiceover users appreciated this new 
>> behaviour. Furthermore, if this is the new behaviour in mail, then why have 
>> you removed this behaviour from the app switcher? In iOS 10 once the rotor 
>> was set to close in the app switcher it was possible to keep double tapping 
>> on apps to close them, now each time after you close one the rotor goes back 
>> to activate and if I want to close apps using the rotor instead of a 
>> 3-finger swipe up for each app I have to flick it to close for each new app.
>> Also, in the Messages app, broken as deleting messages is right now with the 
>> rotor, it also does not stay on delete after you delete a message and I 
>> think to 98% of Voiceover users it makes no sense in the mail app. I will 
>> post your reply on the Viphone list so hopefully many other Voiceover users 
>> let you know that what I am saying is how most of us feel so hopefully Apple 
>> will bring back the old behaviour especially since the new behaviour is not 
>> consistent. Right now even if I want to delete multiple messages I have to 
>> flick the rotor back and forth each time to see if it still is on delete 
>> because otherwise some of the time when it should be on delete it opens the 
>> message or thread instead, as I said, it makes no sense and I'd really like 
>> to know who decided that it does.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
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My 6S now only rings once. How do I fix this?

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RE: The mail app and deleting emails with the delete option on the rotor

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I can only encourage you to also write to Apple Accessibility and tell them

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
matthew dyer
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The mail app and deleting emails with the delete option on the 
rotor

Hi,

I have no problem with the fact that they have changed the rotor.  What I have 
a problem with how ever is that it is just not consistent.  It should be fixed. 
 Thanks.

Matthew


On Sep 26, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Hi List,

This has been dsicussed already and I believe Applevis has actually flagged 
this as a bug in iOS 11. If you are in the mail app and flick down to change 
the rotor to delete and then double tap to delete the message you are on, the 
rotor used to reset itself to “Activate” so that when the next mail gained 
focus and you double tapped it would open the message. In iOS 11 the rotor 
mostly stays on delete and another doublke tap will also delete the next 
message. In good old Apple fashion this is one example where there is no 
consistency, some have apparently figured out when it stays on delete and when 
it goes back to activate, I have not and I find it annoying and consider it a 
bug. I sent the below message to Apple Accessibility and unfortunately I was 
informed that this is not a bug but it is “changed” behaviour. Here my email 
exchange, I urge as many people as possible toc omplain to Apple about this 
since I don’t recall having heard a single person say they liked how this is 
behaving. First, my initial message to Apple Accessibility:

Hello,
In the mail app when I am in my Inbox I used to be able to delete emails using 
the delete option on the rotor: I would flick to delete and double tap, 
afterwards if I double tap on the next email the "Activate" option which is and 
should be the default has gained focus and my next email would open.
In iOS 11 I can delete a message in the described way, but often the rotor 
remains on the delete option and if I'm not careful and simply do another double
tap I also delete the next message where in fact I was expecting it to open.

Regards,
Sieghard'

Here is Apple's response, according to this the new behaviour is not a bug but 
what it should be:

Hello,
 Thank you for your email. The behavior of the rotor in mail has been changed. 
Now when you select an action, such as delete, you then double tap to delete 
the email. If you double tap again, then the next email in focus will also be 
deleted.
The delete action will stay active until swipe up or down to change Actions 
rotor functions, or twist to select a different rotor item, at which point it 
will revert to “Activate” .

Apple Accessibility

Here is my reply to the above:

Hello,
Well, you should maybe reassess this change, first of all it is not consistent 
since sometimes (I have not figured out a pattern) the rotor does reset itself 
to "activate" and secondly I have not heard one single comment on the Viphone 
and other lists where Voiceover users appreciated this new behaviour. 
Furthermore, if this is the new behaviour in mail, then why have you removed 
this behaviour from the app switcher? In iOS 10 once the rotor was set to close 
in the app switcher it was possible to keep double tapping on apps to close 
them, now each time after you close one the rotor goes back to activate and if 
I want to close apps using the rotor instead of a 3-finger swipe up for each 
app I have to flick it to close for each new app.
Also, in the Messages app, broken as deleting messages is right now with the 
rotor, it also does not stay on delete after you delete a message and I think 
to 98% of Voiceover users it makes no sense in the mail app. I will post your 
reply on the Viphone list so hopefully many other Voiceover users let you know 
that what I am saying is how most of us feel so hopefully Apple will bring back 
the old behaviour especially since the new behaviour is not consistent. Right 
now even if I want to delete multiple messages I have to flick the rotor back 
and forth each time to see if it still is on delete because otherwise some of 
the time when it should be on delete it opens the message or thread instead, as 
I said, it makes no sense and I'd really like to know who decided that it does.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Re: The mail app and deleting emails with the delete option on the rotor

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

I have no problem with the fact that they have changed the rotor.  What I have 
a problem with how ever is that it is just not consistent.  It should be fixed. 
 Thanks.

Matthew


> On Sep 26, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> This has been dsicussed already and I believe Applevis has actually flagged 
> this as a bug in iOS 11. If you are in the mail app and flick down to change 
> the rotor to delete and then double tap to delete the message you are on, the 
> rotor used to reset itself to “Activate” so that when the next mail gained 
> focus and you double tapped it would open the message. In iOS 11 the rotor 
> mostly stays on delete and another doublke tap will also delete the next 
> message. In good old Apple fashion this is one example where there is no 
> consistency, some have apparently figured out when it stays on delete and 
> when it goes back to activate, I have not and I find it annoying and consider 
> it a bug. I sent the below message to Apple Accessibility and unfortunately I 
> was informed that this is not a bug but it is “changed” behaviour. Here my 
> email exchange, I urge as many people as possible toc omplain to Apple about 
> this since I don’t recall having heard a single person say they liked how 
> this is behaving. First, my initial message to Apple Accessibility:
>  
> Hello,
> In the mail app when I am in my Inbox I used to be able to delete emails 
> using the delete option on the rotor: I would flick to delete and double tap, 
> afterwards if I double tap on the next email the "Activate" option which is 
> and should be the default has gained focus and my next email would open.
> In iOS 11 I can delete a message in the described way, but often the rotor 
> remains on the delete option and if I'm not careful and simply do another 
> double
> tap I also delete the next message where in fact I was expecting it to open.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard'
>  
> Here is Apple's response, according to this the new behaviour is not a bug 
> but what it should be:
>  
> Hello, 
>  Thank you for your email. The behavior of the rotor in mail has been 
> changed. Now when you select an action, such as delete, you then double tap 
> to delete the email. If you double tap again, then the next email in focus 
> will also be deleted.
> The delete action will stay active until swipe up or down to change Actions 
> rotor functions, or twist to select a different rotor item, at which point it 
> will revert to “Activate” .
>  
> Apple Accessibility
>  
> Here is my reply to the above:
>  
> Hello,
> Well, you should maybe reassess this change, first of all it is not 
> consistent since sometimes (I have not figured out a pattern) the rotor does 
> reset itself to "activate" and secondly I have not heard one single comment 
> on the Viphone and other lists where Voiceover users appreciated this new 
> behaviour. Furthermore, if this is the new behaviour in mail, then why have 
> you removed this behaviour from the app switcher? In iOS 10 once the rotor 
> was set to close in the app switcher it was possible to keep double tapping 
> on apps to close them, now each time after you close one the rotor goes back 
> to activate and if I want to close apps using the rotor instead of a 3-finger 
> swipe up for each app I have to flick it to close for each new app.
> Also, in the Messages app, broken as deleting messages is right now with the 
> rotor, it also does not stay on delete after you delete a message and I think 
> to 98% of Voiceover users it makes no sense in the mail app. I will post your 
> reply on the Viphone list so hopefully many other Voiceover users let you 
> know that what I am saying is how most of us feel so hopefully Apple will 
> bring back the old behaviour especially since the new behaviour is not 
> consistent. Right now even if I want to delete multiple messages I have to 
> flick the rotor back and forth each time to see if it still is on delete 
> because otherwise some of the time when it should be on delete it opens the 
> message or thread instead, as I said, it makes no sense and I'd really like 
> to know who decided that it does.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
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RE: turning off do not disturb while driving

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That would be pretty invasive in terms of privacy

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Matthew Bullis
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 2:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

I think that the iPhone should activate the camera in this case and it will see 
that you're not behind the wheel, thus disabling the notification for that trip.
Matthew

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Re: Apps for flights, or possible trains

[Cris Ali]

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 26, 2017, at 6:03 PM, Terri Stimmel 
mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hello everyone,


I have a friend who would like to come and see me. But I haven't looked
at airplane, ticket prices in quite a long time. We are trying to find
them the best option.


They would have to leave out of a smaller airport, then fly out of a
larger 1, just on 1 flight, I believe, to get where I am.

Now that's if they fly, which they will likely do.


Are there App sites pretty accessible for finding the best flight prices?


Thank you,


Terri

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I find their website to be unfriendly to screenreaders, but their app is pretty 
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RE: Dating options discussed again

[Bryan Schulz]

Hi,

Have you searched for firefox version 35 and downloaded it?
Webvisum will work with that version.
Install it in a directory you type and not the default so it won't get updated.
Versions after 35 will not run the webvisum plugin and won't bust the captia.
Make a shortcut on your desktop for this version and only use it when you have 
to get past a difficult form and use the most current version the rest of the 
time.
Bryan


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Terri Stimmel
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Dating options discussed again

Hello everyone,


A while back I asked about dating Apps and such.

Someone was nice and replied, saying that Match and POF were useable, if 
you had some slight vision.

I apologize, because I just can't remember who this was?


Anyway, Match says you can sign up free, and so I thought you could use 
it free. But just be limited as to what you could do?


As for POF, I tried signing up online, and I ran in to a capcha issue. 
Of course!

Maybe I'll just live with my cats! LOL!


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

[Keao Wright]

That would be cool if the camera could do that.

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Subject: Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

I think that the iPhone should activate the camera in this case and it
will see that you're not behind the wheel, thus disabling the
notification for that trip.
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RE: Apps for flights, or possible trains

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The Expedia app is very accessible and I believe so is kayak, if you know the 
airlines that fly to where this person lives you can always try the airline's 
own app/website.

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Subject: Apps for flights, or possible trains

Hello everyone,


I have a friend who would like to come and see me. But I haven't looked at 
airplane, ticket prices in quite a long time. We are trying to find them the 
best option.


They would have to leave out of a smaller airport, then fly out of a larger 1, 
just on 1 flight, I believe, to get where I am.

Now that's if they fly, which they will likely do.


Are there App sites pretty accessible for finding the best flight prices?


Thank you,


Terri

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Apps for flights, or possible trains

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


I have a friend who would like to come and see me. But I haven't looked 
at airplane, ticket prices in quite a long time. We are trying to find 
them the best option.


They would have to leave out of a smaller airport, then fly out of a 
larger 1, just on 1 flight, I believe, to get where I am.

Now that's if they fly, which they will likely do.


Are there App sites pretty accessible for finding the best flight prices?


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: Dating options discussed again

[michv]

well match is free for a little but i think that once you start receaving 
messages then they ask you to pay. hth. from Mich.


-Original Message- 
From: Terri Stimmel

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 5:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Dating options discussed again

Hello everyone,


A while back I asked about dating Apps and such.

Someone was nice and replied, saying that Match and POF were useable, if
you had some slight vision.

I apologize, because I just can't remember who this was?


Anyway, Match says you can sign up free, and so I thought you could use
it free. But just be limited as to what you could do?


As for POF, I tried signing up online, and I ran in to a capcha issue.
Of course!

Maybe I'll just live with my cats! LOL!


Thank you,


Terri

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Dating options discussed again

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


A while back I asked about dating Apps and such.

Someone was nice and replied, saying that Match and POF were useable, if 
you had some slight vision.

I apologize, because I just can't remember who this was?


Anyway, Match says you can sign up free, and so I thought you could use 
it free. But just be limited as to what you could do?


As for POF, I tried signing up online, and I ran in to a capcha issue. 
Of course!

Maybe I'll just live with my cats! LOL!


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

[Joney]

It says in the instructions but if it’s turned off all your messages and phone 
calls go straight through if it’s turned on, you only get a notice that you 
have one. I haven’t gotten any notices as yet, mine is turned off. Guess I’ll 
have to try for a longer drive with my daughter. :-)

Joney
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"If God can bring you to it, 
He will lead you through it."  

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 5:01 PM, Paul Sandoval  wrote:
> 
> That’s what fixed it for me.
> Strange, but maybe this action is making the setting register, and for some 
> reason it’s not until you move the setting away, then back where you want it 
> that it sticks.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi sieghard,
>> 
>> I've never been asked about Do Not Disturb while Driving, and I have mine 
>> set to Manual. I wonder if switching it to Automatically and then switching 
>> it back to Manually would fix it.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 2:45 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You actually can’t turn it off, the setting is “manual” or “automatic”, but 
>>> while mine is set to manual I also get the notifications.
>>> This is one example where Apple should simply disable this if Voiceover is 
>>> running, I don’t know too many sighted people who use Voiceover and neither 
>>> do I know too many blind folks who sit behind the wheel.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Suzanne Wilson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:49 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Cc: Kathy Brack 
>>> Subject: Re: turning off do not disturb while driving
>>>  
>>> If you turn off Bluetooth, you will not get this reminder. That’s the only 
>>> way I have found to make it stop.
>>> Suzanne
>>>  
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Same here. I get notified of it every time I'm on metrorail even though 
>>> I've turned it off in settings.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On 9/26/2017 1:41 PM, Kathy Brack wrote:
>>> I have it turned off and I still get thr the message even on the boat.
>>>  
>>> Kathy Brack
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Keao Wright
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 1:23 PM
>>> To: VIPhone 
>>> Subject: Re: turning off do not disturb while driving
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:21:46 AM UTC-10, Keao Wright wrote:
>>> Thanks, I didn't know it was in the set up screen, could I reset and try it 
>>> again? I only see three options with Bluetooth, manually, and no off option 
>>> in the heading when I looked last night.
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:04:45 AM UTC-10, Joney wrote:
>>> Go to settings, do not disturb, and it is under the heading do not disturb 
>>> while driving. You can have it on or off. It also asked you when you first 
>>> set up the phone, for those who haven’t done so yet. I keep it off, since I 
>>> don’t drive. :-)
>>> 
>>> Joney
>>> talk...@gmail.com
>>> "If God can bring you to it, 
>>> He will lead you through it."  
>>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Keao Wright  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Is their a way to turn off do not disturb while driving in IOS 11?
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the new Siri voices

[Casey]

Hi I have the new female Siri voice.

But I got the new mail Siri voice and it sounds just like the old one.

But it says it is using 300 megs.

So hasn't this voice changed at all or only the female voice is newer?

If there is A newer sounding mail voice then how do I get it in place of the
one that I already have?

 

 

 

 

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Re: Recommendations for around $100 In-ear Wired Headphones

[Kelly Pierce]

I found $300 headphones for $25 on Ben’s bargains.  Go to the
headphone section and over a course of weeks you will find great new
headphones at extremely reasonable prices. I found a pair of titanium
over the ear noise cancelling headphones for my subway commute in
July.

Kelly



On 9/26/17, SSEric  wrote:
> Check out the Bose MEI-II. (I hope I got that right.) I have had them for
> many years now, and they are the best sounding and most comfortable earbuds
> I have had. They are around $129 for the ones with the mic and controls.
>
> Eric
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> (614) 296-9467
>
>
> On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:01 AM, Craig Werner  wrote:
>
> Thank you, Chip, for your recommendation of the Sennheiser P100
> headphones.  I am trying to limit my search to in-ear headphones but
> will keep your over-the-ear suggestions in mind as I wade through the
> multiple products available for around $100.  I hope others will weigh
> in if this subject hasn't been beaten down through previous inquiries.
> 
>
> Craig
>
>> On 9/25/17, Chip Orange  wrote:
>> I have a lot of experience with over-the-ear open-backed headphones from
>> Sennheiser and I love the p100 model for well under $100.
>>
>> In addition to great warm sound, it allows some ambient noise to
>> pennetrate
>> (which I consider a bonus for blind people who don't want to be
>> completely
>> cut off from their environment).
>>
>> They also fold like sunglasses, and so are easily portable.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Craig Werner
>> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:43 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Recommendations for around $100 In-ear Wired Headphones
>>
>> Hello, everyone.
>>
>> The wires on my four-year-old Bose Mie2i wired in-ear headphones are
>> beginning to fray, and I'll have to replace them if the sound from them
>> becomes intermittent.  I am looking for a pair of wired in-ear headphones
>> whose tips are comfortable and do not reach deep into the ear canal and
>> whose sound is similar to the warm, flat Bose sound.  I am considering
>> the
>> Bose in-ear SoundTrue headphones and also the Sennheiser HD1 in-ear
>> models.
>> The hype around the Shenzhen 1More's Triple Driver headphones also has me
>> interested although I am very suspicious of over-the-top reviews.  I am
>> not
>> interested in any wireless phones.  Does anyone have any deep and abiding
>> experience with the kind of headphones I am looking for?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Craig
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Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

[Matthew Bullis]

I think that the iPhone should activate the camera in this case and it
will see that you're not behind the wheel, thus disabling the
notification for that trip.
Matthew

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Re: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

[John Panarese]

  It's a little slow at times  in responsiveness. At least, that is what I am 
experiencing here. 


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> On Sep 26, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
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>  
> I have a first generation AppleWatch, and haven’t yet decided whether to 
> upgrade to a Series 3. I’m still with Watch OS 3. Has anyone updated a First 
> generation AppleWatch to Watch OS 4? If so, I’d appreciate learning of your 
> experience with this combo.
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Re: The mail app and deleting emails with the delete option on the rotor

[Matthew Bullis]

I'm curious why more people don't use the Edit button and select the
messages to trash, then deal with the mail that's left after pressing
that button. When I found this Edit button, I stopped using the flick
up or down gesture in this context.
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Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

[Paul Sandoval]

That’s what fixed it for me.
Strange, but maybe this action is making the setting register, and for some 
reason it’s not until you move the setting away, then back where you want it 
that it sticks.


On Sep 26, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Woody Anna Dresner 
mailto:wadres...@att.net>> wrote:

Hi sieghard,

I've never been asked about Do Not Disturb while Driving, and I have mine set 
to Manual. I wonder if switching it to Automatically and then switching it back 
to Manually would fix it.

Best,
Anna



On Sep 26, 2017, at 2:45 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

You actually can’t turn it off, the setting is “manual” or “automatic”, but 
while mine is set to manual I also get the notifications.
This is one example where Apple should simply disable this if Voiceover is 
running, I don’t know too many sighted people who use Voiceover and neither do 
I know too many blind folks who sit behind the wheel.


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Kathy Brack mailto:kathymbr...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

If you turn off Bluetooth, you will not get this reminder. That’s the only way 
I have found to make it stop.
Suzanne

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Kelby Carlson 
mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Same here. I get notified of it every time I'm on metrorail even though I've 
turned it off in settings.


On 9/26/2017 1:41 PM, Kathy Brack wrote:
I have it turned off and I still get thr the message even on the boat.

Kathy Brack

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keao Wright
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 1:23 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: turning off do not disturb while driving



On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:21:46 AM UTC-10, Keao Wright wrote:
Thanks, I didn't know it was in the set up screen, could I reset and try it 
again? I only see three options with Bluetooth, manually, and no off option in 
the heading when I looked last night.

On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:04:45 AM UTC-10, Joney wrote:
Go to settings, do not disturb, and it is under the heading do not disturb 
while driving. You can have it on or off. It also asked you when you first set 
up the phone, for those who haven’t done so yet. I keep it off, since I don’t 
drive. :-)
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On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Keao Wright 
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Hi all,
Is their a way to turn off do not disturb while driving in IOS 11?
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Re: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Keith,

It definitely seems to be sluggish. I'm expecting the third gen watch today, so 
I'll let you know how they compare.

Best,
Anna



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> upgrade to a Series 3. I’m still with Watch OS 3. Has anyone updated a First 
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> experience with this combo.
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Re: The mail app and deleting emails with the delete option on the rotor

[Paul Sandoval]

Sieghard,

Let me see if I can explain this adequately.
If you have a message thread, as in having multiple messages, and you flick up 
and double tap on delete thread, the setting will remain on delete thread if 
the next message in the list is also a threaded conversation.
If not the setting will revert to “Activate”
Vice versa, if you have a single message and you flick up to delete, as long as 
the next message is also singular, the setting will remain on delete.
It’s going to take some getting use to.

I hope this helps.
Paul

On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Hi List,

This has been dsicussed already and I believe Applevis has actually flagged 
this as a bug in iOS 11. If you are in the mail app and flick down to change 
the rotor to delete and then double tap to delete the message you are on, the 
rotor used to reset itself to “Activate” so that when the next mail gained 
focus and you double tapped it would open the message. In iOS 11 the rotor 
mostly stays on delete and another doublke tap will also delete the next 
message. In good old Apple fashion this is one example where there is no 
consistency, some have apparently figured out when it stays on delete and when 
it goes back to activate, I have not and I find it annoying and consider it a 
bug. I sent the below message to Apple Accessibility and unfortunately I was 
informed that this is not a bug but it is “changed” behaviour. Here my email 
exchange, I urge as many people as possible toc omplain to Apple about this 
since I don’t recall having heard a single person say they liked how this is 
behaving. First, my initial message to Apple Accessibility:

Hello,
In the mail app when I am in my Inbox I used to be able to delete emails using 
the delete option on the rotor: I would flick to delete and double tap, 
afterwards if I double tap on the next email the "Activate" option which is and 
should be the default has gained focus and my next email would open.
In iOS 11 I can delete a message in the described way, but often the rotor 
remains on the delete option and if I'm not careful and simply do another double
tap I also delete the next message where in fact I was expecting it to open.

Regards,
Sieghard'

Here is Apple's response, according to this the new behaviour is not a bug but 
what it should be:

Hello,
 Thank you for your email. The behavior of the rotor in mail has been changed. 
Now when you select an action, such as delete, you then double tap to delete 
the email. If you double tap again, then the next email in focus will also be 
deleted.
The delete action will stay active until swipe up or down to change Actions 
rotor functions, or twist to select a different rotor item, at which point it 
will revert to “Activate” .

Apple Accessibility

Here is my reply to the above:

Hello,
Well, you should maybe reassess this change, first of all it is not consistent 
since sometimes (I have not figured out a pattern) the rotor does reset itself 
to "activate" and secondly I have not heard one single comment on the Viphone 
and other lists where Voiceover users appreciated this new behaviour. 
Furthermore, if this is the new behaviour in mail, then why have you removed 
this behaviour from the app switcher? In iOS 10 once the rotor was set to close 
in the app switcher it was possible to keep double tapping on apps to close 
them, now each time after you close one the rotor goes back to activate and if 
I want to close apps using the rotor instead of a 3-finger swipe up for each 
app I have to flick it to close for each new app.
Also, in the Messages app, broken as deleting messages is right now with the 
rotor, it also does not stay on delete after you delete a message and I think 
to 98% of Voiceover users it makes no sense in the mail app. I will post your 
reply on the Viphone list so hopefully many other Voiceover users let you know 
that what I am saying is how most of us feel so hopefully Apple will bring back 
the old behaviour especially since the new behaviour is not consistent. Right 
now even if I want to delete multiple messages I have to flick the rotor back 
and forth each time to see if it still is on delete because otherwise some of 
the time when it should be on delete it opens the message or thread instead, as 
I said, it makes no sense and I'd really like to know who decided that it does.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Re: notifications not speaking on lock screen

[Davy Cuppens]

This is a known bug. Report it to Apple.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: SSEric

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: notifications not speaking on lock screen

I don’t know what I could be doing wrong. I go to settings, notifications 
and switch show preview from always to never and back to always. Between 
switches, I close out notifications and settings and power off the phone and 
back on. I am still not getting notifications spoken..I am using an iPhone 
6S.


Any advice will be appreciated.

Eric
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On Sep 25, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Candy Lowe  wrote:

Paul, I tried what you said and it worked. I had my messages said to always. 
I changed to never. Then I changed back to always. At first, it didn’t work. 
Then I close out the app switcher and tried again and it worked fine.  thank 
you.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 25, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Paul Sandoval  wrote:

Hi Davy,

my setting was set to “Always” and it didn’t work, i switched the setting 
to “never” and back to “Always” and now it works like it used to.
I will say that the phone behaved strangely for about 30 seconds when I 
first switched the setting to “Never”.

Hopefully this helps someone.
Thanks
Paul

On Sep 25, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

Hi all

This is a major bug in ios11. Therefore I do not advise to update if
you find this feature important.
Regards
Davy

2017-09-24 23:05 GMT+02:00, SSEric :

I have an I phone 6S running iOS 11. My notifications setting is set to
always, and it still is not reading in coming notifications. The 
interesting

thing is, if voiceover is speaking or something else is playing,
notifications are read as they are coming in.

Eric
sseri...@gmail.com
(614) 296-9467


On Sep 24, 2017, at 4:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

I'm with you, Sieghard; I don't know how this works.

Personally, the last thing I want is to have my notifications read, 
outloud,

automatically.

Currently, on my primary iOS 10.33 6 S Plus, I am notified that I have a
notification but in order to hear the text of the notification, on the 
lock

screen, I must actually touch the display.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 10:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: notifications not speaking on lock screen

Withis new "Show Preview" setting what is the "Always Speak 
Notifications"
used for in Voiceover settings? It's been there for many years and while 
I

have it on, I did turn it off once and don't recall if it made much of a
difference.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Deb Lewis
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 1:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: notifications not speaking on lock screen

I have previews in notifications set to always and they are still not
reading. I believe it was the default in fact.



On 9/23/17, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
Hi,

Go to Settings and choose Notifications. The first setting is Show
Previews.
Set it to Always, and your notifications will be spoken as they come 
in.


HTH,
Anna




On Sep 22, 2017, at 8:28 PM, cwc  wrote:

I have also posted this to Apple. When I spoke with accessibility
support they said that that was the way they had designed it. I
explained to her how that was not a practicle option, and asked her
to pass it on to the technicians. She said that she would. I backed
it up with an e-mail. I am awaiting their responce.

On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 11:20:26 PM UTC-4, mich wrote:
Hi this is a bug and it is best to report it to apple. from Mich.

-Original Message-
From: Candy Lowe
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 11:00 PM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com 
Subject: notifications not speaking on lock screen

Hello, everyone,
Since the update to I O S 11, my notifications do not speak on the
locked

screen.  I can't remember what the setting is for that, although, it
was working on I O S 10.  Any suggestions?

Candy

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Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Hi,

I have a first generation AppleWatch, and haven't yet decided whether to 
upgrade to a Series 3. I'm still with Watch OS 3. Has anyone updated a First 
generation AppleWatch to Watch OS 4? If so, I'd appreciate learning of your 
experience with this combo.

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RE: Type Nine - T9 Keyboard

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

How do you use it? I downloaded it and couldn't get past square one, beyond 
adding it as a keyboard and opening it. Keith

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Subject: Re: Type Nine - T9 Keyboard

Hello, yes, and I like it.

> On 26 Sep 2017, at 09:35, 'Ming' via VIPhone  wrote:
> 
> anyone try this app yet?
> Type Nine Keyboard - The ultimate typing experience
> Please note: Type Nine currently supports 34 languages listed at the bottom. 
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> Type Nine is the first keyboard ever to combine a keypad layout with swiping. 
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> Multiple languages at the same time:
> Type Nine suggests words from multiple languages at the same time. No need to 
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> VoiceOver:
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> Easy to follow tutorials:
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> Themes:
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> Emojis:
> All the iOS emojis with easy access. Your most used smileys are easily 
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> Delete so sweet:
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> Supported languages:
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Re: notifications not speaking on lock screen

[Candy Lowe]

don’t feel like the Lone Ranger. Mine worked once last night and has not worked 
sense. I was so disappointed. I have tried and tried, but have never been able 
to get it to work again.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 3:30 PM, SSEric  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know what I could be doing wrong. I go to settings, notifications and 
> switch show preview from always to never and back to always. Between 
> switches, I close out notifications and settings and power off the phone and 
> back on. I am still not getting notifications spoken..I am using an iPhone 6S.
> 
> Any advice will be appreciated.
> 
> Eric
> sseri...@gmail.com
> (614) 296-9467
> 
> 
> On Sep 25, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Candy Lowe  wrote:
> 
> Paul, I tried what you said and it worked. I had my messages said to always. 
> I changed to never. Then I changed back to always. At first, it didn’t work. 
> Then I close out the app switcher and tried again and it worked fine.  thank 
> you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Paul Sandoval  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Davy,
>> 
>> my setting was set to “Always” and it didn’t work, i switched the setting to 
>> “never” and back to “Always” and now it works like it used to. 
>> I will say that the phone behaved strangely for about 30 seconds when I 
>> first switched the setting to “Never”. 
>> Hopefully this helps someone.
>> Thanks 
>> Paul
>>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> This is a major bug in ios11. Therefore I do not advise to update if
>>> you find this feature important.
>>> Regards
>>> Davy
>>> 
>>> 2017-09-24 23:05 GMT+02:00, SSEric :
 I have an I phone 6S running iOS 11. My notifications setting is set to
 always, and it still is not reading in coming notifications. The 
 interesting
 thing is, if voiceover is speaking or something else is playing,
 notifications are read as they are coming in.
 
 Eric
 sseri...@gmail.com
 (614) 296-9467
 
 
 On Sep 24, 2017, at 4:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 I'm with you, Sieghard; I don't know how this works.
 
 Personally, the last thing I want is to have my notifications read, 
 outloud,
 automatically.
 
 Currently, on my primary iOS 10.33 6 S Plus, I am notified that I have a
 notification but in order to hear the text of the notification, on the lock
 screen, I must actually touch the display.
 
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 10:09 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: notifications not speaking on lock screen
 
 Withis new "Show Preview" setting what is the "Always Speak Notifications"
 used for in Voiceover settings? It's been there for many years and while I
 have it on, I did turn it off once and don't recall if it made much of a
 difference.
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Deb Lewis
 Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 1:35 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: notifications not speaking on lock screen
 
 I have previews in notifications set to always and they are still not
 reading. I believe it was the default in fact.
 
 
> On 9/23/17, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Go to Settings and choose Notifications. The first setting is Show
> Previews.
> Set it to Always, and your notifications will be spoken as they come in.
> 
> HTH,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2017, at 8:28 PM, cwc  wrote:
>> 
>> I have also posted this to Apple. When I spoke with accessibility
>> support they said that that was the way they had designed it. I
>> explained to her how that was not a practicle option, and asked her
>> to pass it on to the technicians. She said that she would. I backed
>> it up with an e-mail. I am awaiting their responce.
>> 
>> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 11:20:26 PM UTC-4, mich wrote:
>> Hi this is a bug and it is best to report it to apple. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Candy Lowe
>> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 11:00 PM
>> To: vip...@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: notifications not speaking on lock screen
>> 
>> Hello, everyone,
>> Since the update to I O S 11, my notifications do not speak on the
>> locked
>> 
>> screen.  I can't remember what the setting is for that, although, it
>> was working on I O S 10.  Any suggestions?
>> 
>> Candy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: notifications not speaking on lock screen

[SSEric]

I don’t know what I could be doing wrong. I go to settings, notifications and 
switch show preview from always to never and back to always. Between switches, 
I close out notifications and settings and power off the phone and back on. I 
am still not getting notifications spoken..I am using an iPhone 6S.

Any advice will be appreciated.

Eric
sseri...@gmail.com
(614) 296-9467


On Sep 25, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Candy Lowe  wrote:

Paul, I tried what you said and it worked. I had my messages said to always. I 
changed to never. Then I changed back to always. At first, it didn’t work. Then 
I close out the app switcher and tried again and it worked fine.  thank you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Paul Sandoval  wrote:
> 
> Hi Davy,
> 
> my setting was set to “Always” and it didn’t work, i switched the setting to 
> “never” and back to “Always” and now it works like it used to. 
> I will say that the phone behaved strangely for about 30 seconds when I first 
> switched the setting to “Never”. 
> Hopefully this helps someone.
> Thanks 
> Paul
>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> This is a major bug in ios11. Therefore I do not advise to update if
>> you find this feature important.
>> Regards
>> Davy
>> 
>> 2017-09-24 23:05 GMT+02:00, SSEric :
>>> I have an I phone 6S running iOS 11. My notifications setting is set to
>>> always, and it still is not reading in coming notifications. The interesting
>>> thing is, if voiceover is speaking or something else is playing,
>>> notifications are read as they are coming in.
>>> 
>>> Eric
>>> sseri...@gmail.com
>>> (614) 296-9467
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 4:01 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm with you, Sieghard; I don't know how this works.
>>> 
>>> Personally, the last thing I want is to have my notifications read, outloud,
>>> automatically.
>>> 
>>> Currently, on my primary iOS 10.33 6 S Plus, I am notified that I have a
>>> notification but in order to hear the text of the notification, on the lock
>>> screen, I must actually touch the display.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 10:09 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: notifications not speaking on lock screen
>>> 
>>> Withis new "Show Preview" setting what is the "Always Speak Notifications"
>>> used for in Voiceover settings? It's been there for many years and while I
>>> have it on, I did turn it off once and don't recall if it made much of a
>>> difference.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Deb Lewis
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 1:35 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: notifications not speaking on lock screen
>>> 
>>> I have previews in notifications set to always and they are still not
>>> reading. I believe it was the default in fact.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 9/23/17, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Go to Settings and choose Notifications. The first setting is Show
 Previews.
 Set it to Always, and your notifications will be spoken as they come in.
 
 HTH,
 Anna
 
 
 
> On Sep 22, 2017, at 8:28 PM, cwc  wrote:
> 
> I have also posted this to Apple. When I spoke with accessibility
> support they said that that was the way they had designed it. I
> explained to her how that was not a practicle option, and asked her
> to pass it on to the technicians. She said that she would. I backed
> it up with an e-mail. I am awaiting their responce.
> 
> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 11:20:26 PM UTC-4, mich wrote:
> Hi this is a bug and it is best to report it to apple. from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Candy Lowe
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 11:00 PM
> To: vip...@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: notifications not speaking on lock screen
> 
> Hello, everyone,
> Since the update to I O S 11, my notifications do not speak on the
> locked
> 
> screen.  I can't remember what the setting is for that, although, it
> was working on I O S 10.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Candy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi sieghard,

I've never been asked about Do Not Disturb while Driving, and I have mine set 
to Manual. I wonder if switching it to Automatically and then switching it back 
to Manually would fix it.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 26, 2017, at 2:45 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> You actually can’t turn it off, the setting is “manual” or “automatic”, but 
> while mine is set to manual I also get the notifications.
> This is one example where Apple should simply disable this if Voiceover is 
> running, I don’t know too many sighted people who use Voiceover and neither 
> do I know too many blind folks who sit behind the wheel.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Suzanne Wilson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Cc: Kathy Brack mailto:kathymbr...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: turning off do not disturb while driving
>  
> If you turn off Bluetooth, you will not get this reminder. That’s the only 
> way I have found to make it stop.
> Suzanne
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Kelby Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> Same here. I get notified of it every time I'm on metrorail even though I've 
> turned it off in settings.
> 
>  
> On 9/26/2017 1:41 PM, Kathy Brack wrote:
> I have it turned off and I still get thr the message even on the boat.
>  
> Kathy Brack
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Keao Wright
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 1:23 PM
> To: VIPhone  
> Subject: Re: turning off do not disturb while driving
>  
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:21:46 AM UTC-10, Keao Wright wrote:
> Thanks, I didn't know it was in the set up screen, could I reset and try it 
> again? I only see three options with Bluetooth, manually, and no off option 
> in the heading when I looked last night.
> 
> On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:04:45 AM UTC-10, Joney wrote:
> Go to settings, do not disturb, and it is under the heading do not disturb 
> while driving. You can have it on or off. It also asked you when you first 
> set up the phone, for those who haven’t done so yet. I keep it off, since I 
> don’t drive. :-)
> 
> Joney
> talk...@gmail.com 
> "If God can bring you to it, 
> He will lead you through it."  
> 
> On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Keao Wright  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Is their a way to turn off do not disturb while driving in IOS 11?
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RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you find you bring up the shortcut menu too often you can always try and 
adjust your 3D Touch sensitivity in Accessibility settings.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joney
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

It does take time to get used to how it works. I’m still playing with it. What 
you get to work, if that’s fine. But most of the time, you will get the change 
shortcut menu instead of get the app to open. I found a few hold gently if you 
do a very light tap and hold very gently so it does not open it will begin to 
edit it’s a tough one to learn.
Joney
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He will lead you through it."

On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Marcia Yale 
mailto:dragonca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
No, I don’t use any screen protector on the iPod and the screen is clean.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

Hi Marcia,

Just a little thing, but first of all, do you use a screen protector or a case 
like the Otterbox Defender which covers the screen? Secondly, have you cleaned 
your screen lately? I know all sorts of weird things can happen when the screen 
gets dirty.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcia Yale
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

It doesn’t have 3-D touch, but the app in focus always opens for me. The 
strange thing is that I can get the gesture to work to invoke a share page, but 
not to get into editing mode. I just wish they would have left the other mode 
alone—add this one for those who want it but keep the other process for those 
of us who like it! I know, I’m dreaming!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

That shouldn’t apply to her iPod Touch, I don’t think even the sixth generation 
iPod Touch has 3D touch, but then again I haven’t kept up too much with the 
iPod Touch devices.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

   As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
took me a few tries to get the hang of it.


Take Care

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On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir 
mailto:michael.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed of 
double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the second 
tap.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale 
mailto:dragonca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
won't be present.

Marcia Yale
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RE: turning off do not disturb while driving

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You actually can’t turn it off, the setting is “manual” or “automatic”, but 
while mine is set to manual I also get the notifications.
This is one example where Apple should simply disable this if Voiceover is 
running, I don’t know too many sighted people who use Voiceover and neither do 
I know too many blind folks who sit behind the wheel.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Suzanne Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Kathy Brack 
Subject: Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

If you turn off Bluetooth, you will not get this reminder. That’s the only way 
I have found to make it stop.
Suzanne

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Kelby Carlson 
mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Same here. I get notified of it every time I'm on metrorail even though I've 
turned it off in settings.

On 9/26/2017 1:41 PM, Kathy Brack wrote:
I have it turned off and I still get thr the message even on the boat.

Kathy Brack

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keao Wright
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 1:23 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: turning off do not disturb while driving



On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:21:46 AM UTC-10, Keao Wright wrote:
Thanks, I didn't know it was in the set up screen, could I reset and try it 
again? I only see three options with Bluetooth, manually, and no off option in 
the heading when I looked last night.

On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:04:45 AM UTC-10, Joney wrote:
Go to settings, do not disturb, and it is under the heading do not disturb 
while driving. You can have it on or off. It also asked you when you first set 
up the phone, for those who haven’t done so yet. I keep it off, since I don’t 
drive. :-)
Joney
talk...@gmail.com
"If God can bring you to it,
He will lead you through it."

On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Keao Wright 
mailto:alohasm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
Is their a way to turn off do not disturb while driving in IOS 11?
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RE: Extra tone when exiting apps

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Well, Apple Accessibility replied to my email about this and they told me they 
can’t reproduce it. I’ll use the screen recorder feature tonight and make a 
recording of it which I then send to them.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ioana Gandrabur
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Extra tone when exiting apps

Hmmm
I don't have any extra tones. IPhone SE with iOS 11.

So think it's a bug and not on all devices.

Hth,

Ioana
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 26, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Candie Stiles 
mailto:candiesti...@icloud.com>> wrote:
I have also noticed the tones playing twice and wondered why this is Happening. 
I think it's a bug because there is no reason to hear them again.
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi List,

I’m surprised none of you with sensitive ears have brought this up, but in iOS 
11 when you press the home button to close an app and return to the home 
screen, the little tone you hear now plays twice. It plays when you press the 
home button, then Voiceover speaks the name of the app you are on and 
immediately afterwards the little tone plays again.
I find it mildly annoying although I’m sure I get used to it. I just emailed 
Apple Accessibility about it because as far as I am concerned that is a bug 
unless theytell me it’s by design. If the latter then I wonder why, on the one 
hand they got rid of the “Screen Locked” announcement in iOS 10 and replaced 
with a fairly unremarkable sound which I personally like, on the other hand now 
in iOS 11 they introduce extra noise.
And since we are on the topic of noise, how many have enabled to hear a tone 
for upper case letter instead of Voiceover saying “Caps”? I like the idea, but 
I find the brassy tone they have assigned to this quite abbrasive and think it 
would be nice if they replaced it with something more pleasant like maybe a 
raindrop sort of sound or, even better of course, let them give us a choice of 
3 or 4 tones for this.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Re: Type Nine - T9 Keyboard

[christopher hallsworth]

Hmmm, ok? Yet it supports typing in English? Are you typing "type", followed by 
a space, then "9", all without quotes?

> On 26 Sep 2017, at 20:29, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> Hi, the app is not available in the US App Store. 
> 
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of 
> christopher hallsworth 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:15:19 PM
> To: Viphone
> Subject: Re: Type Nine - T9 Keyboard
>  
> Hello, yes, and I like it.
> 
> > On 26 Sep 2017, at 09:35, 'Ming' via VIPhone  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > anyone try this app yet?
> > Type Nine Keyboard - The ultimate typing experience
> > Please note: Type Nine currently supports 34 languages listed at the 
> > bottom. Make sure your language is supported before getting Type Nine. If 
> > your language is not supported please write me, and I'll know which 
> > language to work on next.
> > Swiping:
> > Type Nine is the first keyboard ever to combine a keypad layout with 
> > swiping. Typing by swiping is a seamless experience and once you've picked 
> > up the movements, you will type faster and more effortlessly than ever 
> > before.
> > Multiple languages at the same time:
> > Type Nine suggests words from multiple languages at the same time. No need 
> > to switch keyboard to type in a different Language.
> > VoiceOver:
> > If you're using VoiceOver, Type Nine will be a pleasent improvement to your 
> > daily typing.
> > Remembers your words:
> > If a word is not in the dictionary you can type it manually with ease, and 
> > Type Nine will remember it for you. Every time you write a word, Type Nine 
> > will adjust its behavior so that the most used word is suggested first.
> > Easy to follow tutorials:
> > Getting started with Type Nine is easy. Everything is put together in an 
> > intuitive manner, and if you want to start using all the efficient hidden 
> > gems, there are tutorials to explain how to do that.
> > Themes:
> > Type Nine features a handfull of different themes to suite your mood or 
> > taste.
> > Emojis:
> > All the iOS emojis with easy access. Your most used smileys are easily 
> > accessed by a single swipe.
> > Delete so sweet:
> > The backspace button in Type Nine is nothing short of a miracle. By swiping 
> > left you delete an entire word, but by swiping slowly you can precision 
> > delete much better than simply holding down backspace. You can even undo 
> > what you deleted or cut it to a different position by swiping down on 
> > delete.
> > Moving the cursor:
> > No more cramps in your fingers trying to move the cursor to the correct 
> > position. Simply swipe left or right on space to move the cursor an entire 
> > word at a time, or swipe slowly to position precisely.
> > Resizing for big screens:
> > If you're using an iPhone 6 plus or an iPad, you can easily resize the 
> > keyboard to a better size for one-handed typing.
> > Supported languages:
> > English
> > Spanish
> > Portuguese
> > Russian
> > German
> > Danish
> > French
> > Turkish
> > Italian
> > Dutch
> > Norwegian
> > Polish
> > Greek
> > Romanian
> > Bosnian
> > Catala
> > Czech
> > Basque
> > Finnish
> > Irish
> > Croatian
> > Hungarian
> > Lithuanian
> > Latvian
> > Slovak
> > Slovene
> > Albanian
> > Swedish
> > Serbian latin
> > Serbian cyrillics
> > Bulgarian
> > Scottish Gaelic
> > Galician
> > Manx
> > 
> > 
> > app store's link:
> > https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/type-nin...
> > 
> > Ming
> > 
> > msn/window live messenger
> > chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com
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> > 
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Re: Type Nine - T9 Keyboard

[Maria Reyes]

Hi, the app is not available in the US App Store.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
christopher hallsworth 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:15:19 PM
To: Viphone
Subject: Re: Type Nine - T9 Keyboard

Hello, yes, and I like it.

> On 26 Sep 2017, at 09:35, 'Ming' via VIPhone  wrote:
>
> anyone try this app yet?
> Type Nine Keyboard - The ultimate typing experience
> Please note: Type Nine currently supports 34 languages listed at the bottom. 
> Make sure your language is supported before getting Type Nine. If your 
> language is not supported please write me, and I'll know which language to 
> work on next.
> Swiping:
> Type Nine is the first keyboard ever to combine a keypad layout with swiping. 
> Typing by swiping is a seamless experience and once you've picked up the 
> movements, you will type faster and more effortlessly than ever before.
> Multiple languages at the same time:
> Type Nine suggests words from multiple languages at the same time. No need to 
> switch keyboard to type in a different Language.
> VoiceOver:
> If you're using VoiceOver, Type Nine will be a pleasent improvement to your 
> daily typing.
> Remembers your words:
> If a word is not in the dictionary you can type it manually with ease, and 
> Type Nine will remember it for you. Every time you write a word, Type Nine 
> will adjust its behavior so that the most used word is suggested first.
> Easy to follow tutorials:
> Getting started with Type Nine is easy. Everything is put together in an 
> intuitive manner, and if you want to start using all the efficient hidden 
> gems, there are tutorials to explain how to do that.
> Themes:
> Type Nine features a handfull of different themes to suite your mood or taste.
> Emojis:
> All the iOS emojis with easy access. Your most used smileys are easily 
> accessed by a single swipe.
> Delete so sweet:
> The backspace button in Type Nine is nothing short of a miracle. By swiping 
> left you delete an entire word, but by swiping slowly you can precision 
> delete much better than simply holding down backspace. You can even undo what 
> you deleted or cut it to a different position by swiping down on delete.
> Moving the cursor:
> No more cramps in your fingers trying to move the cursor to the correct 
> position. Simply swipe left or right on space to move the cursor an entire 
> word at a time, or swipe slowly to position precisely.
> Resizing for big screens:
> If you're using an iPhone 6 plus or an iPad, you can easily resize the 
> keyboard to a better size for one-handed typing.
> Supported languages:
> English
> Spanish
> Portuguese
> Russian
> German
> Danish
> French
> Turkish
> Italian
> Dutch
> Norwegian
> Polish
> Greek
> Romanian
> Bosnian
> Catala
> Czech
> Basque
> Finnish
> Irish
> Croatian
> Hungarian
> Lithuanian
> Latvian
> Slovak
> Slovene
> Albanian
> Swedish
> Serbian latin
> Serbian cyrillics
> Bulgarian
> Scottish Gaelic
> Galician
> Manx
>
>
> app store's link:
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/type-nin...
>
> Ming
>
> msn/window live messenger
> chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com
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RE: Increased battery drain with software 11 upgrade

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have no battery issues on my 6S Plus and that’s older than the 7./7Plus.


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Subject: Re: Increased battery drain with software 11 upgrade

I haven't experienced it on my iPHONE7 but have been deluged with tweets and 
articles about it. From what I've read, it sounds like the newest iPHONEs don't 
experience the drain but iPADS and older iPHONEs burn through batteries 
substantially faster than if they used iOS10.

There are some things you can do to reduce battery drain. Turning off 
background app refresh for apps which you don't need constantly updating can 
help. Same with location services. However, doing these things obviously 
reduces the effectiveness of your equipment. Same with turning off Bluetooth or 
Wifi or cellular data when not needed. One suggestion was to turn on low power 
mode. Personally, I simply carry an external battery with me and top up as 
needed. Hope that helps.
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:17 AM hannah day 
mailto:tiggerfa...@icloud.com>> wrote:
Hi no not on my 6 s

What phone have you got?


> On 26 Sep 2017, at 12:13, Danney Yates 
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> Anyone noticing increased battery drain after installing software version 11 
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RE: Increased battery drain with software 11 upgrade

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You can also try one more thing and that is run the battery down until the 
phone shuts off, set it to play music or a book and totally run it down to 0% 
until the phone dies. Now plug it in and charge it to 100% (preferable over 
night). Now use the phone again until you get to 0% and let it die. Repeat the 
full chargeing one more time, then use it normally and see if that helped.
Trying to figure this out is a matter of illiminating various causes, as I said 
before, the final measure would be to restore as a new phone after doing a 
backup of course and before restoring the backup use the phone and make sure it 
is normal.
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Subject: Re: Increased battery drain with software 11 upgrade

I'm on an iPhone 7 and it is extremely significant. I've taken all of the usual 
measures, and nothing has really helped.


On 9/26/2017 8:33 AM, Candie Stiles wrote:
> I have definitely noticed a big difference in battery drain since updating to 
> Ios 11. I am using an Iphone 7 plus.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 5:17 AM, hannah day  wrote:
>>
>> Hi no not on my 6 s
>>
>> What phone have you got?
>>
>>
>>> On 26 Sep 2017, at 12:13, Danney Yates  wrote:
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>>> Anyone noticing increased battery drain after installing software version 
>>> 11 on their phones?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET

[Alan Lemly]

Mark,

I read the below article but confess it confused me more than anything. First 
of all, the article states that the old reboot key combination of holding down 
the wake/lock key with the volume down button will launch the emergency SOS 
feature on the iPhone 8/8 Plus. I thought pressing the wake/lock also called 
the power button five times quickly launched the emergency SOS service. That's 
what all the iOS 11 information I've been reading states and I assume the 
iPhone 8 comes with iOS 11.

The article also distinguishes that what is being discussed is a button 
sequence as opposed to a button combination as has always been the case. Are 
they saying that this button sequence is an alternative and that the button 
combination also still works?

As I said up front, this article raises more questions than anything. And if 
they really have changed the reboot button combination to a reboot button 
sequence, they ought to be throttled.

Alan Lemly

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CNET How To - Monday, September 25, 2017 at 7:56 AM How to force restart the 
iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET With the iPhone 8 ($699.00 at Apple) and 8 
Plus, Apple has once again changed the button combination used to force restart 
a frozen phone.
Up until the iPhone 7 ($720.00 at Amazon Marketplace) and 7 Plus ($785.70 at 
Amazon Marketplace), you could hold the wake/lock (or "side" button) and the 
home button at the same time until the Apple logo appeared. That process 
changed with the iPhone 7 lineup, when you had to hold the wake/lock and volume 
down buttons to complete the process.
 
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If you try the same thing on the iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, however, you'll quickly 
learn that's how the Emergency SOS feature is triggered. Depending on your 
settings, your phone may end up playing a loud alarm and calling emergency 
services when all you wanted to do was restart your device.
Apple has published the button sequence (not combination) that restarts the 
iPhone 8 and 8 Plus. Here's what you need to do:
.   Quickly press and release the volume up button.
.   Quickly press and release the volume down button.
.   Hold in the wake/lock button until you see the Apple logo.
The next time your phone is running a bit slow or is frozen, keep this in mind. 
It took me a few tries to get it just right, but it indeed works.

Original Article At:
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RE: Increased battery drain with software 11 upgrade

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Have you checked in Settings > Battery at the very bottom where it lists your 
usage and standby time? Make sure your phone is fully charged where it says 
100% on AC power in the status bar. Now take it off the charger and use it for 
10 minutes with the screen unlocked and doing stuff. Then lock the screen and 
let it sit with the screen locked for 10 or 15 minutes and now check those two 
times. If your usage time is exactly the same as your standby time then some 
app is preventing the phone from going to sleep even if the screen is locked 
and this is causing your battery drain.
Also, note down the time when you took your phone off the charger fully charged 
and then let it sit unused for several hours, best to do this over night so 
make sure it's fully charged and showing "on AC power" when you go to bed, take 
the phone off the charger and note down the time. Then when you wake up 6, 7, 8 
hours or however long you sleep later check the battery percentage and again 
look at the values for usage and stand-by times. Obviously if you didn't use it 
after you took it off the charger usage time should only be a few minutes and 
standby time should be however many hours you slept. In this scenario I would 
expect the phone to loose no more than 10% at most in 7 or 8 hours.
Now if there is an issue with the phone not going to sleep properly and a reset 
network settings which you said you already did does not help you may have to 
do a complete restore, set the phone up as a new device or at least use it as a 
new device for a few days and see if your battery life is back to normal. Then 
you can try and restore your backup, if it stays normal then you are in luck, 
if it goes back to draining fast then you have to restore again, set up as a 
new phone and start from scratch downloading your apps, setting them up, 
putting back any music or other stuff you may have on the phone etc.
It's a lot of work, but there are situations where a problem can be part of a 
backup and restoring a backup also restores your problem.

Regards,
Sieghard

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Candie Stiles 
Subject: Re: Increased battery drain with software 11 upgrade

I'm on an iPhone 7 and it is extremely significant. I've taken all of the usual 
measures, and nothing has really helped.


On 9/26/2017 8:33 AM, Candie Stiles wrote:
> I have definitely noticed a big difference in battery drain since updating to 
> Ios 11. I am using an Iphone 7 plus.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 5:17 AM, hannah day  wrote:
>>
>> Hi no not on my 6 s
>>
>> What phone have you got?
>>
>>
>>> On 26 Sep 2017, at 12:13, Danney Yates  wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone noticing increased battery drain after installing software version 
>>> 11 on their phones?
>>>
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Re: The mail app and deleting emails with the delete option on the rotor

[Kimber Gardner]

I absolutely agree, Sieghard. There is no consistency in whether or
not the roter changes from delete to activate which means a lot of
extra swiping to check the setting before tapping. I have already
inadvertently deleted several messages because I anticipated one
action and got another.

I'll be emailing apple as well.

On 9/26/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> This has been dsicussed already and I believe Applevis has actually flagged
> this as a bug in iOS 11. If you are in the mail app and flick down to change
> the rotor to delete and then double tap to delete the message you are on,
> the rotor used to reset itself to "Activate" so that when the next mail
> gained focus and you double tapped it would open the message. In iOS 11 the
> rotor mostly stays on delete and another doublke tap will also delete the
> next message. In good old Apple fashion this is one example where there is
> no consistency, some have apparently figured out when it stays on delete and
> when it goes back to activate, I have not and I find it annoying and
> consider it a bug. I sent the below message to Apple Accessibility and
> unfortunately I was informed that this is not a bug but it is "changed"
> behaviour. Here my email exchange, I urge as many people as possible toc
> omplain to Apple about this since I don't recall having heard a single
> person say they liked how this is behaving. First, my initial message to
> Apple Accessibility:
>
> Hello,
> In the mail app when I am in my Inbox I used to be able to delete emails
> using the delete option on the rotor: I would flick to delete and double
> tap, afterwards if I double tap on the next email the "Activate" option
> which is and should be the default has gained focus and my next email would
> open.
> In iOS 11 I can delete a message in the described way, but often the rotor
> remains on the delete option and if I'm not careful and simply do another
> double
> tap I also delete the next message where in fact I was expecting it to
> open.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard'
>
> Here is Apple's response, according to this the new behaviour is not a bug
> but what it should be:
>
> Hello,
>  Thank you for your email. The behavior of the rotor in mail has been
> changed. Now when you select an action, such as delete, you then double tap
> to delete the email. If you double tap again, then the next email in focus
> will also be deleted.
> The delete action will stay active until swipe up or down to change Actions
> rotor functions, or twist to select a different rotor item, at which point
> it will revert to "Activate" .
>
> Apple Accessibility
>
> Here is my reply to the above:
>
> Hello,
> Well, you should maybe reassess this change, first of all it is not
> consistent since sometimes (I have not figured out a pattern) the rotor does
> reset itself to "activate" and secondly I have not heard one single comment
> on the Viphone and other lists where Voiceover users appreciated this new
> behaviour. Furthermore, if this is the new behaviour in mail, then why have
> you removed this behaviour from the app switcher? In iOS 10 once the rotor
> was set to close in the app switcher it was possible to keep double tapping
> on apps to close them, now each time after you close one the rotor goes back
> to activate and if I want to close apps using the rotor instead of a
> 3-finger swipe up for each app I have to flick it to close for each new
> app.
> Also, in the Messages app, broken as deleting messages is right now with the
> rotor, it also does not stay on delete after you delete a message and I
> think to 98% of Voiceover users it makes no sense in the mail app. I will
> post your reply on the Viphone list so hopefully many other Voiceover users
> let you know that what I am saying is how most of us feel so hopefully Apple
> will bring back the old behaviour especially since the new behaviour is not
> consistent. Right now even if I want to delete multiple messages I have to
> flick the rotor back and forth each time to see if it still is on delete
> because otherwise some of the time when it should be on delete it opens the
> message or thread instead, as I said, it makes no sense and I'd really like
> to know who decided that it does.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
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Re: Type Nine - T9 Keyboard

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, yes, and I like it.

> On 26 Sep 2017, at 09:35, 'Ming' via VIPhone  wrote:
> 
> anyone try this app yet?
> Type Nine Keyboard - The ultimate typing experience
> Please note: Type Nine currently supports 34 languages listed at the bottom. 
> Make sure your language is supported before getting Type Nine. If your 
> language is not supported please write me, and I'll know which language to 
> work on next.
> Swiping:
> Type Nine is the first keyboard ever to combine a keypad layout with swiping. 
> Typing by swiping is a seamless experience and once you've picked up the 
> movements, you will type faster and more effortlessly than ever before.
> Multiple languages at the same time:
> Type Nine suggests words from multiple languages at the same time. No need to 
> switch keyboard to type in a different Language.
> VoiceOver:
> If you're using VoiceOver, Type Nine will be a pleasent improvement to your 
> daily typing.
> Remembers your words:
> If a word is not in the dictionary you can type it manually with ease, and 
> Type Nine will remember it for you. Every time you write a word, Type Nine 
> will adjust its behavior so that the most used word is suggested first.
> Easy to follow tutorials:
> Getting started with Type Nine is easy. Everything is put together in an 
> intuitive manner, and if you want to start using all the efficient hidden 
> gems, there are tutorials to explain how to do that.
> Themes:
> Type Nine features a handfull of different themes to suite your mood or taste.
> Emojis:
> All the iOS emojis with easy access. Your most used smileys are easily 
> accessed by a single swipe.
> Delete so sweet:
> The backspace button in Type Nine is nothing short of a miracle. By swiping 
> left you delete an entire word, but by swiping slowly you can precision 
> delete much better than simply holding down backspace. You can even undo what 
> you deleted or cut it to a different position by swiping down on delete.
> Moving the cursor:
> No more cramps in your fingers trying to move the cursor to the correct 
> position. Simply swipe left or right on space to move the cursor an entire 
> word at a time, or swipe slowly to position precisely.
> Resizing for big screens:
> If you're using an iPhone 6 plus or an iPad, you can easily resize the 
> keyboard to a better size for one-handed typing.
> Supported languages:
> English
> Spanish
> Portuguese
> Russian
> German
> Danish
> French
> Turkish
> Italian
> Dutch
> Norwegian
> Polish
> Greek
> Romanian
> Bosnian
> Catala
> Czech
> Basque
> Finnish
> Irish
> Croatian
> Hungarian
> Lithuanian
> Latvian
> Slovak
> Slovene
> Albanian
> Swedish
> Serbian latin
> Serbian cyrillics
> Bulgarian
> Scottish Gaelic
> Galician
> Manx
> 
> 
> app store's link:
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/type-nin...
> 
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Re: Type Nine - T9 Keyboard

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, the tutorials has not been necessarily designed for VoiceOver users, I 
am however in touch with the developer on Twitter who may be improving 
Voiceover support for the app. For now you can at least type and delete 
characters.

> On 26 Sep 2017, at 10:08, Michael Maslo  wrote:
> 
> Yes I have. It is very disappointing. It dies not work as advertised. For a 
> voice over user it is extremely slow and I was unable to get through the 
> tutorial. 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2017 at 03:35, <'Ming' via VIPhone> wrote:
>> 
>> anyone try this app yet?
>> Type Nine Keyboard - The ultimate typing experience
>> Please note: Type Nine currently supports 34 languages listed at the bottom. 
>> Make sure your language is supported before getting Type Nine. If your 
>> language is not supported please write me, and I'll know which language to 
>> work on next.
>> Swiping:
>> Type Nine is the first keyboard ever to combine a keypad layout with 
>> swiping. Typing by swiping is a seamless experience and once you've picked 
>> up the movements, you will type faster and more effortlessly than ever 
>> before.
>> Multiple languages at the same time:
>> Type Nine suggests words from multiple languages at the same time. No need 
>> to switch keyboard to type in a different Language.
>> VoiceOver:
>> If you're using VoiceOver, Type Nine will be a pleasent improvement to your 
>> daily typing.
>> Remembers your words:
>> If a word is not in the dictionary you can type it manually with ease, and 
>> Type Nine will remember it for you. Every time you write a word, Type Nine 
>> will adjust its behavior so that the most used word is suggested first.
>> Easy to follow tutorials:
>> Getting started with Type Nine is easy. Everything is put together in an 
>> intuitive manner, and if you want to start using all the efficient hidden 
>> gems, there are tutorials to explain how to do that.
>> Themes:
>> Type Nine features a handfull of different themes to suite your mood or 
>> taste.
>> Emojis:
>> All the iOS emojis with easy access. Your most used smileys are easily 
>> accessed by a single swipe.
>> Delete so sweet:
>> The backspace button in Type Nine is nothing short of a miracle. By swiping 
>> left you delete an entire word, but by swiping slowly you can precision 
>> delete much better than simply holding down backspace. You can even undo 
>> what you deleted or cut it to a different position by swiping down on delete.
>> Moving the cursor:
>> No more cramps in your fingers trying to move the cursor to the correct 
>> position. Simply swipe left or right on space to move the cursor an entire 
>> word at a time, or swipe slowly to position precisely.
>> Resizing for big screens:
>> If you're using an iPhone 6 plus or an iPad, you can easily resize the 
>> keyboard to a better size for one-handed typing.
>> Supported languages:
>> English
>> Spanish
>> Portuguese
>> Russian
>> German
>> Danish
>> French
>> Turkish
>> Italian
>> Dutch
>> Norwegian
>> Polish
>> Greek
>> Romanian
>> Bosnian
>> Catala
>> Czech
>> Basque
>> Finnish
>> Irish
>> Croatian
>> Hungarian
>> Lithuanian
>> Latvian
>> Slovak
>> Slovene
>> Albanian
>> Swedish
>> Serbian latin
>> Serbian cyrillics
>> Bulgarian
>> Scottish Gaelic
>> Galician
>> Manx
>> 
>> 
>> app store's link:
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/type-nin...
>> 
>> Ming
>> 
>>  msn/window live messenger
>>  chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com
>>  skype:
>>  chungchiming9950
>>   
>>  face book:
>>  http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1
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The mail app and deleting emails with the delete option on the rotor

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi List,

This has been dsicussed already and I believe Applevis has actually flagged 
this as a bug in iOS 11. If you are in the mail app and flick down to change 
the rotor to delete and then double tap to delete the message you are on, the 
rotor used to reset itself to "Activate" so that when the next mail gained 
focus and you double tapped it would open the message. In iOS 11 the rotor 
mostly stays on delete and another doublke tap will also delete the next 
message. In good old Apple fashion this is one example where there is no 
consistency, some have apparently figured out when it stays on delete and when 
it goes back to activate, I have not and I find it annoying and consider it a 
bug. I sent the below message to Apple Accessibility and unfortunately I was 
informed that this is not a bug but it is "changed" behaviour. Here my email 
exchange, I urge as many people as possible toc omplain to Apple about this 
since I don't recall having heard a single person say they liked how this is 
behaving. First, my initial message to Apple Accessibility:

Hello,
In the mail app when I am in my Inbox I used to be able to delete emails using 
the delete option on the rotor: I would flick to delete and double tap, 
afterwards if I double tap on the next email the "Activate" option which is and 
should be the default has gained focus and my next email would open.
In iOS 11 I can delete a message in the described way, but often the rotor 
remains on the delete option and if I'm not careful and simply do another double
tap I also delete the next message where in fact I was expecting it to open.

Regards,
Sieghard'

Here is Apple's response, according to this the new behaviour is not a bug but 
what it should be:

Hello,
 Thank you for your email. The behavior of the rotor in mail has been changed. 
Now when you select an action, such as delete, you then double tap to delete 
the email. If you double tap again, then the next email in focus will also be 
deleted.
The delete action will stay active until swipe up or down to change Actions 
rotor functions, or twist to select a different rotor item, at which point it 
will revert to "Activate" .

Apple Accessibility

Here is my reply to the above:

Hello,
Well, you should maybe reassess this change, first of all it is not consistent 
since sometimes (I have not figured out a pattern) the rotor does reset itself 
to "activate" and secondly I have not heard one single comment on the Viphone 
and other lists where Voiceover users appreciated this new behaviour. 
Furthermore, if this is the new behaviour in mail, then why have you removed 
this behaviour from the app switcher? In iOS 10 once the rotor was set to close 
in the app switcher it was possible to keep double tapping on apps to close 
them, now each time after you close one the rotor goes back to activate and if 
I want to close apps using the rotor instead of a 3-finger swipe up for each 
app I have to flick it to close for each new app.
Also, in the Messages app, broken as deleting messages is right now with the 
rotor, it also does not stay on delete after you delete a message and I think 
to 98% of Voiceover users it makes no sense in the mail app. I will post your 
reply on the Viphone list so hopefully many other Voiceover users let you know 
that what I am saying is how most of us feel so hopefully Apple will bring back 
the old behaviour especially since the new behaviour is not consistent. Right 
now even if I want to delete multiple messages I have to flick the rotor back 
and forth each time to see if it still is on delete because otherwise some of 
the time when it should be on delete it opens the message or thread instead, as 
I said, it makes no sense and I'd really like to know who decided that it does.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Re: Increased battery drain with software 11 upgrade

[lenron brown]

I have noticed it on my 6s plus. it has been really driving me mad.

On 9/26/17, Danney Yates  wrote:
> It is the I phone SE. It might have been that I simply had too many apps
> open yesterday. I will keep monitoring.
> Thanks to all
> Danney Yates
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 10:02 AM, christopher hallsworth
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello, same here on my iPhone 6s. No noticeable battery drain compared to
>> 10.
>>> On 26 Sep 2017, at 13:17, hannah day  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi no not on my 6 s
>>>
>>> What phone have you got?
>>>
>>>
 On 26 Sep 2017, at 12:13, Danney Yates  wrote:

 Anyone noticing increased battery drain after installing software
 version 11 on their phones?

 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

[Davy Cuppens]

Marcia 

please report this bug to Apple, it seems to be a user dependend bug, I know 
Belgians as well that cannot perform this action and they are advanced iphone 
userd, while others have no problem with that.
Regards
Davy 

From: Marcia Yale 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 6:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

No, I don’t use any screen protector on the iPod and the screen is clean. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

Hi Marcia,

 

Just a little thing, but first of all, do you use a screen protector or a case 
like the Otterbox Defender which covers the screen? Secondly, have you cleaned 
your screen lately? I know all sorts of weird things can happen when the screen 
gets dirty.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marcia Yale
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

It doesn’t have 3-D touch, but the app in focus always opens for me. The 
strange thing is that I can get the gesture to work to invoke a share page, but 
not to get into editing mode. I just wish they would have left the other mode 
alone—add this one for those who want it but keep the other process for those 
of us who like it! I know, I’m dreaming!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

That shouldn’t apply to her iPod Touch, I don’t think even the sixth generation 
iPod Touch has 3D touch, but then again I haven’t kept up too much with the 
iPod Touch devices.

 

 

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John Panarese
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

   As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
took me a few tries to get the hang of it.

 


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  On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir  wrote:

   

  Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed of 
double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the second 
tap. 

   

  On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale  wrote:

I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
won't be present.

Marcia Yale
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Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

[Suzanne Wilson]

If you turn off Bluetooth, you will not get this reminder. That’s the only way 
I have found to make it stop.
Suzanne

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> Same here. I get notified of it every time I'm on metrorail even though I've 
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>> while driving. You can have it on or off. It also asked you when you first 
>> set up the phone, for those who haven’t done so yet. I keep it off, since I 
>> don’t drive. :-)
>> 
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Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

[Kelby Carlson]

Same here. I get notified of it every time I'm on metrorail even though 
I've turned it off in settings.



On 9/26/2017 1:41 PM, Kathy Brack wrote:


I have it turned off and I still get thr the message even on the boat.

Kathy Brack

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Thanks, I didn't know it was in the set up screen, could I reset
and try it again? I only see three options with Bluetooth,
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Go to settings, do not disturb, and it is under the heading do
not disturb while driving. You can have it on or off. It also
asked you when you first set up the phone, for those who
haven’t done so yet. I keep it off, since I don’t drive. :-)

Joney

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Hi all,

Is their a way to turn off do not disturb while driving in
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RE: turning off do not disturb while driving

[Kathy Brack]

I have it turned off and I still get thr the message even on the boat.

 

Kathy Brack

 

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Subject: Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

 



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Thanks, I didn't know it was in the set up screen, could I reset and try it 
again? I only see three options with Bluetooth, manually, and no off option in 
the heading when I looked last night.

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Go to settings, do not disturb, and it is under the heading do not disturb 
while driving. You can have it on or off. It also asked you when you first set 
up the phone, for those who haven’t done so yet. I keep it off, since I don’t 
drive. :-)

Joney

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Hi all,

Is their a way to turn off do not disturb while driving in IOS 11?

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RE: IOS 11 and Braille Displays

[Dulce Muccio Weisenborn]

Problem solved.

 

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Of Anthony Vece
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Subject: Re: IOS 11 and Braille Displays

 

I'm not having any problems with my Smartbeetle14.

 

 

On Sep 24, 2017, at 10:37 PM, Richard Turner 
wrote:

 


AppleVis warned about braille display issues in their blog the day iOS 11
was released. They mostly mentioned very sluggish performance. They did not
mention language issues.

If you have not talked with Apple Accessibility yet, I would do that ASAP.

HTH,

Richard

 


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My Hims Smart Beetle is practically unusable now since upgrading to IOS 11
on my 6S.  It speaks Italian and the contractions are completely different.
Are others having Braille display problems with the upgrade?

 

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Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

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Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

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On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:21:46 AM UTC-10, Keao Wright wrote:
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> Thanks, I didn't know it was in the set up screen, could I reset and try 
> it again? I only see three options with Bluetooth, manually, and no off 
> option in the heading when I looked last night.
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> On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:04:45 AM UTC-10, Joney wrote:
>>
>> Go to settings, do not disturb, and it is under the heading do not 
>> disturb while driving. You can have it on or off. It also asked you when 
>> you first set up the phone, for those who haven’t done so yet. I keep it 
>> off, since I don’t drive. :-)
>>
>> Joney
>> talk...@gmail.com
>> "If God can bring you to it, 
>> He will lead you through it."  
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Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

[Keao Wright]

Thanks, I didn't know it was in the set up screen, could I reset and try it 
again? I only see three options with Bluetooth, manually, and no off option 
in the heading when I looked last night.

On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:04:45 AM UTC-10, Joney wrote:
>
> Go to settings, do not disturb, and it is under the heading do not disturb 
> while driving. You can have it on or off. It also asked you when you first 
> set up the phone, for those who haven’t done so yet. I keep it off, since I 
> don’t drive. :-)
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Re: Extra tone when exiting apps

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hmmm 
I don't have any extra tones. IPhone SE with iOS 11.

So think it's a bug and not on all devices. 

Hth,

Ioana 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Candie Stiles  wrote:
> 
> I have also noticed the tones playing twice and wondered why this is 
> Happening. I think it's a bug because there is no reason to hear them again. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 10:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> I’m surprised none of you with sensitive ears have brought this up, but in 
>> iOS 11 when you press the home button to close an app and return to the home 
>> screen, the little tone you hear now plays twice. It plays when you press 
>> the home button, then Voiceover speaks the name of the app you are on and 
>> immediately afterwards the little tone plays again.
>> I find it mildly annoying although I’m sure I get used to it. I just emailed 
>> Apple Accessibility about it because as far as I am concerned that is a bug 
>> unless theytell me it’s by design. If the latter then I wonder why, on the 
>> one hand they got rid of the “Screen Locked” announcement in iOS 10 and 
>> replaced with a fairly unremarkable sound which I personally like, on the 
>> other hand now in iOS 11 they introduce extra noise.
>> And since we are on the topic of noise, how many have enabled to hear a tone 
>> for upper case letter instead of Voiceover saying “Caps”? I like the idea, 
>> but I find the brassy tone they have assigned to this quite abbrasive and 
>> think it would be nice if they replaced it with something more pleasant like 
>> maybe a raindrop sort of sound or, even better of course, let them give us a 
>> choice of 3 or 4 tones for this.
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IOS 11.0.1 is out

[Gordon]

I'm getting it right now. It says bug fixes.

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Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

[Joney]

Go to settings, do not disturb, and it is under the heading do not disturb 
while driving. You can have it on or off. It also asked you when you first set 
up the phone, for those who haven’t done so yet. I keep it off, since I don’t 
drive. :-)

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Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

[Joney]

It does take time to get used to how it works. I’m still playing with it. What 
you get to work, if that’s fine. But most of the time, you will get the change 
shortcut menu instead of get the app to open. I found a few hold gently if you 
do a very light tap and hold very gently so it does not open it will begin to 
edit it’s a tough one to learn.

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> On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Marcia Yale  wrote:
> 
> No, I don’t use any screen protector on the iPod and the screen is clean.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working
>  
> Hi Marcia,
>  
> Just a little thing, but first of all, do you use a screen protector or a 
> case like the Otterbox Defender which covers the screen? Secondly, have you 
> cleaned your screen lately? I know all sorts of weird things can happen when 
> the screen gets dirty.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marcia Yale
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working
>  
> It doesn’t have 3-D touch, but the app in focus always opens for me. The 
> strange thing is that I can get the gesture to work to invoke a share page, 
> but not to get into editing mode. I just wish they would have left the other 
> mode alone—add this one for those who want it but keep the other process for 
> those of us who like it! I know, I’m dreaming!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working
>  
> That shouldn’t apply to her iPod Touch, I don’t think even the sixth 
> generation iPod Touch has 3D touch, but then again I haven’t kept up too much 
> with the iPod Touch devices.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working
>  
>As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
> the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
> took me a few tries to get the hang of it.
>  
> 
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> On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir  wrote:
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> Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
> Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
> hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
> finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
> apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
> taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
> have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
> with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed 
> of double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the 
> second tap. 
>  
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale  wrote:
> I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
> before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
> hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
> in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
> this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
> won't be present.
> 
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RE: drag feature I like

[Marcia Yale]

I've tried that--no go. Every time I try the gesture an app opens.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: drag feature I like

I figured out after writing that message I can go to the last app in the doc on 
the home screen, page 2, and start editing with the double tap and hold.
I thought I had tried that earlier, but that was under the beta.

Richard


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christopher hallsworth
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 6:56 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: drag feature I like

Hello, on my devices, iPad included of course, I can start editing from the 
second page of the home screen. The first page, as always, is your today screen.
> On 26 Sep 2017, at 14:28, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> I am finding I like the new Drag item approach to moving icons. I only wish I 
> could invoke it on any screen. On my iPod Touch 6, I have to go to the last 
> page and the last app to start editing.
> But I just did my first multiple app move at once by adding a second app to 
> the drag session.
> When you want to move more than one app or folder, this is rather slick.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
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RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

[Marcia Yale]

No, I don’t use any screen protector on the iPod and the screen is clean. 

 

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

Hi Marcia,

 

Just a little thing, but first of all, do you use a screen protector or a case 
like the Otterbox Defender which covers the screen? Secondly, have you cleaned 
your screen lately? I know all sorts of weird things can happen when the screen 
gets dirty.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marcia Yale
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

It doesn’t have 3-D touch, but the app in focus always opens for me. The 
strange thing is that I can get the gesture to work to invoke a share page, but 
not to get into editing mode. I just wish they would have left the other mode 
alone—add this one for those who want it but keep the other process for those 
of us who like it! I know, I’m dreaming!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

That shouldn’t apply to her iPod Touch, I don’t think even the sixth generation 
iPod Touch has 3D touch, but then again I haven’t kept up too much with the 
iPod Touch devices.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Panarese
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS11 and moving apps not working

 

   As was also pointed out by someone else, you have to have a light touch on 
the double tap. If you do it too hard, you envoke the 3D touch response. It 
took me a few tries to get the hang of it.

 


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On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Michael Feir  wrote:

 

Hi Marcia. I've never had an issue making the double-tap and hold gesture. 
Simply tap twice but keep your finger down after the second contact until you 
hear a short sound and the device say "started editing" After that, life your 
finger and proceed to use the rotor and Voiceover gestures to drag and drop 
apps. In the accessibility settings, you can change the time during which two 
taps will be treeted as a double-tap. Perhaps, that would be helpful if you 
have consistant trouble double-tapping. If that works fine for you other than 
with entering edit mode, I wouldn't recommend changing the acceptable speed of 
double-tapping though. The trick is not to raise your finger after the second 
tap. 

 

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM Marcia Yale  wrote:

I upgraded my iPod Touch to IOS11 so I could get used to any new processes
before messing with my iPhone, and I cannot seem to time the double-tap and
hold gesture to initiate the editing of apps. Every time I try it, the app
in focus opens instead of editing being invoked. Has anyone else encountered
this problem? I don't want to update my iPhone till I know this problem
won't be present.

Marcia Yale
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accept, and celebrate those differences.
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turning off do not disturb while driving

[Keao Wright]

Hi all,
Is their a way to turn off do not disturb while driving in IOS 11?

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Re: Increased battery drain with software 11 upgrade

[Danney Yates]

It is the I phone SE. It might have been that I simply had too many apps open 
yesterday. I will keep monitoring.
Thanks to all
Danney Yates

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 10:02 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello, same here on my iPhone 6s. No noticeable battery drain compared to 10.
>> On 26 Sep 2017, at 13:17, hannah day  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi no not on my 6 s 
>> 
>> What phone have you got?
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Sep 2017, at 12:13, Danney Yates  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyone noticing increased battery drain after installing software version 
>>> 11 on their phones?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Strange voice feadback problem.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If Voiceover is completely turned off there should be no voice feedback when 
typing, I have sometimes given my phone to a sighted person to type something, 
I turned Voiceover off first and never heard my phone say anything.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jim Noseworthy
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Strange voice feadback problem.

Hello gang:

Apparently, my client had “Character Feedback” turned on in 
settings/general/accessibility/speech/Typing Feedback.  When I turned that 
option on in my own phone, I experienced the same issue.  I don’t think this is 
a bug after all.

Cheers.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 11:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Strange voice feadback problem.


Jim,
Have your client check the Settings, General, Accessibility, Speech, Speak 
selection setting. If it is on, turn it off and see if the issue goes away.
Richard


On Sep 25, 2017, at 6:11 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
wrote:
Hello Jim,

The issue you describe has been long documented in the Apple bug reporting 
system.

Yes, sometimes, after disabling VoiceOver, a user will hear actual letters 
being spoken as they type.  When this happens, just reboot the phone.

This bug has been around for a very, very long time--since iOS 8, at least.

Mark
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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Noseworthy
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 3:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Strange voice feadback problem.

Hi Gang:

I have a client who has the following problem:  when he turns off Voiceover, he 
is still able to hear keyboard letters when he touches them. This is the case 
in all fieles EG, Messages, notes, etc.

Any help would be appreciated all over the place.



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Re: Recommendations for around $100 In-ear Wired Headphones

[SSEric]

Check out the Bose MEI-II. (I hope I got that right.) I have had them for many 
years now, and they are the best sounding and most comfortable earbuds I have 
had. They are around $129 for the ones with the mic and controls.

Eric
sseri...@gmail.com
(614) 296-9467


On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:01 AM, Craig Werner  wrote:

Thank you, Chip, for your recommendation of the Sennheiser P100
headphones.  I am trying to limit my search to in-ear headphones but
will keep your over-the-ear suggestions in mind as I wade through the
multiple products available for around $100.  I hope others will weigh
in if this subject hasn't been beaten down through previous inquiries.


Craig

> On 9/25/17, Chip Orange  wrote:
> I have a lot of experience with over-the-ear open-backed headphones from
> Sennheiser and I love the p100 model for well under $100.
> 
> In addition to great warm sound, it allows some ambient noise to pennetrate
> (which I consider a bonus for blind people who don't want to be completely
> cut off from their environment).
> 
> They also fold like sunglasses, and so are easily portable.
> 
> Chip
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Craig Werner
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Recommendations for around $100 In-ear Wired Headphones
> 
> Hello, everyone.
> 
> The wires on my four-year-old Bose Mie2i wired in-ear headphones are
> beginning to fray, and I'll have to replace them if the sound from them
> becomes intermittent.  I am looking for a pair of wired in-ear headphones
> whose tips are comfortable and do not reach deep into the ear canal and
> whose sound is similar to the warm, flat Bose sound.  I am considering the
> Bose in-ear SoundTrue headphones and also the Sennheiser HD1 in-ear models.
> The hype around the Shenzhen 1More's Triple Driver headphones also has me
> interested although I am very suspicious of over-the-top reviews.  I am not
> interested in any wireless phones.  Does anyone have any deep and abiding
> experience with the kind of headphones I am looking for?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Craig
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RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

[Louise Peyton]

Hi, Richard:
This is my first product  from this company so can’t tell you about differences 
in versions.  Their web address is: http://www.rainbowcolorreader.com.  Hope 
this helps.
Best:
Louise Peyton

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

Louise,
What was that .org address you sent.  I can’t find that message and I’ve tried 
several combinations of what I thought you had given.

The description on their main page sounds the same to me as it has always been.

Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Louise Peyton
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 6:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

I don’t know since this is my first purchase of the product.  You may wish to 
call them and ask.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
englishride...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: rainbow II color identifier now available

I recently got the first-generation Rainbow color identifier. What's new, if 
anything, in the second version of this product?


Thanks,
Ari

On Sep 25, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Louise Peyton 
mailto:lp2...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
For the week of Sept. 25-29, it’s $68.  In Oct., charge will be $70.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 1:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

Hi,
How much is this new unit?
Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Reg Sullivan
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

Martin, give them a phone call.  You will likely get either the visually 
impaired owner or her husband who did the design for her.
They are very nice folks to deal with. I have had  two great experiences with 
them, they are very flexible and will surely let you know what they can and 
can’t do!

Reg




From: 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: rainbow II color identifier now available

Hi

Do you know if they have a website and if you can order it to be delivered to 
the U.K.

Cheers
Martin


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Sent: 25 September 2017 17:05
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: rainbow II color identifier now available

Hello, all:
For those who’ve inquired about color identifiers, the Rainbow II color reader 
is now available as of today from Edmondsen Engineering.  Call: (760) 329-0282. 
 I just purchased one.
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Re: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET

[Daniel Miller]

It does, all of the articles that are stating to hold down the volume up  as 
well are wrong. Apples official documentation only says sleep/wake and volume 
down. .

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 10:29 AM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I thought the command on the iPhone 7 was the Power and Volume Up buttons, 
> not Volume Down. I wonder if the Power/Volume Up combo works on the 8 and 8 
> Plus.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:45 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I appreciate the headsUp too, but  getting disillusioned now that Apple, 
>> like MS before them,   think and presume, they can get away 
>> with anything.
>> 
>> Can you imagine cars being designed this way, swapping the order of the 
>> pedals,, positions of gear shift and parking brake, lights, 
>> indicators and dials move around regularly anyway.  MS did this when they 
>> withdrew alt-ctrl-del as primary reboot keys, and left us 
>> with nothing to salvage a locked up machine.
>> 
>> But I digress, I'm still reading all the  - whether to go for it themes -  
>> and getting a tad disheartened at it all. MrsH has just 
>> bought an unknown 'Droid for about £70 looking just like aniPhone 6, though 
>> also do a 6+ size in it.  Even it's voices sound 
>> promising.  But no one wanted to know that, right?
>> 
>> RobH, keeps reading and keeping the key info bits.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 6:11 AM
>> Subject: RE: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET
>> 
>> 
>> Mark, this sounds like a button combination which works much better on 
>> Sundays between 7 and 8 AM and while you are performing a 
>> headstand in the batht ub.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:02 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET
>> 
>> CNET How To - Monday, September 25, 2017 at 7:56 AM How to force restart the 
>> iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET With the iPhone 8 
>> ($699.00 at Apple) and 8 Plus, Apple has once again changed the button 
>> combination used to force restart a frozen phone.
>> Up until the iPhone 7 ($720.00 at Amazon Marketplace) and 7 Plus ($785.70 at 
>> Amazon Marketplace), you could hold the wake/lock (or 
>> "side" button) and the home button at the same time until the Apple logo 
>> appeared. That process changed with the iPhone 7 lineup, 
>> when you had to hold the wake/lock and volume down buttons to complete the 
>> process.
>> 
>> Now Playing: Watch this: iPhone 8 drop test: How tough is the glass?
>> 4:45
>> If you try the same thing on the iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, however, you'll quickly 
>> learn that's how the Emergency SOS feature is 
>> triggered. Depending on your settings, your phone may end up playing a loud 
>> alarm and calling emergency services when all you wanted 
>> to do was restart your device.
>> Apple has published the button sequence (not combination) that restarts the 
>> iPhone 8 and 8 Plus. Here's what you need to do:
>> Quickly press and release the volume up button.
>> Quickly press and release the volume down button.
>> Hold in the wake/lock button until you see the Apple logo.
>> The next time your phone is running a bit slow or is frozen, keep this in 
>> mind. It took me a few tries to get it just right, but it 
>> indeed works.
>> 
>> Original Article At:
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-force-restart-the-iphone-8-iphone-8-plus/
>> #ftag=CAD5457c2c
>> 
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Re: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

[Feliciano Godoy]

Hi all,
Once you open the conversation, locate the messaging apps button.  Perform a  
single finger double tap. That will get rid of the dock.

Regards,
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On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:33 AM, Lois Butterfield 
mailto:lbutterfield...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,

For me, the hard press and swipe worked to get rid of it.  You really have to 
press hard.

Good luck,
Lois

-Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

Hi Rick,

I have a glass screen protector on my 6S Plus as well, but it could definitely 
be different for different hardware. I think somebody said instead of a double 
tap and hold they did a harder press on the button and swiped down, maybe give 
that a try. I definitely had to tap right on that button for this to work for 
me, it's not like a double tap to activate a button where after the button has 
focus you can tap anywhere at least that did not work for me.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 4:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

I guess I just don't have the magic touch any more (lol)

Try as I may, following your tip to the tee, I still couldn't get that doc to 
go away. I have a tempered glass screen protector on my 8 plus. Wonder if it's 
interfering somehow? Or, is this maybe an iphone 8/8plus issue?



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

It is not the Store button, initially thought that was the one as well.
First of all, make sure you are in an iMessage not a regular text message.
Now, once you are in the edit field, swipe left once and you land on a button 
called "Messaging Apps", that is the one you want.
I tried to do a double tap and hold and swipe down after I put focus on that 
button and that for me at least didn't work. I had to actually find the button 
on the screen, then do a double tap and hold and swipe down when I was on that 
spot.
If that is the same for you, just move your finger left from the edit field and 
you'll find it, if you go past it on the very outside and to the left of that 
button is the "Attach Media" button.

Regards,
Sieghard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

Which button are we pressing and holding on? When I press and hold on the store 
button in that message doc nothing happens. Thanks for any assistance.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

On Sep 25, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Woody Anna Dresner 
mailto:wadres...@att.net>> wrote:

Hi Rick,

Try a long press instead of double-tap and hold. I had to do that on my iPHone 
7 to make it work.

Best,
Anna



On Sep 25, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Rick Alfaro 
mailto:rick.alf...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Mark. I just tried this on my 8 plus and it didn't seem to work. I double 
tapping and holding then swiping down but nothing changed with regard to that 
annoying dock. This should be an option under messages in settings IMHO.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Hide the annoying app dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

Hello Everyone,

As I loaned out my 6 S Plus running iOS 11, I cannot determine if there is a 
VoiceOver gesture that will allow the same option that is described in the 
article, below, but wanted to post the article anyway so that you know that it 
is possible to hide the iMessage App Doc, permanently, so long as you do not 
change iMessage apps.

Mark

CNET How To - Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:06 AM Hide the annoying app 
dock in iOS 11's Messages app - CNET

One of the new features in Messages on iOS 11 is a dedicated app dock for your 
iMessage apps. You've undoubtedly seen it since updating earlier this week -- 
it's a row of app icons at the bottom of the screen each and every 

Re: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I thought the command on the iPhone 7 was the Power and Volume Up buttons, not 
Volume Down. I wonder if the Power/Volume Up combo works on the 8 and 8 Plus.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:45 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> I appreciate the headsUp too, but  getting disillusioned now that Apple, like 
> MS before them,   think and presume, they can get away 
> with anything.
> 
> Can you imagine cars being designed this way, swapping the order of the 
> pedals,, positions of gear shift and parking brake, lights, 
> indicators and dials move around regularly anyway.  MS did this when they 
> withdrew alt-ctrl-del as primary reboot keys, and left us 
> with nothing to salvage a locked up machine.
> 
> But I digress, I'm still reading all the  - whether to go for it themes -  
> and getting a tad disheartened at it all. MrsH has just 
> bought an unknown 'Droid for about £70 looking just like aniPhone 6, though 
> also do a 6+ size in it.  Even it's voices sound 
> promising.  But no one wanted to know that, right?
> 
> RobH, keeps reading and keeping the key info bits.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 6:11 AM
> Subject: RE: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET
> 
> 
> Mark, this sounds like a button combination which works much better on 
> Sundays between 7 and 8 AM and while you are performing a 
> headstand in the batht ub.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET
> 
> CNET How To - Monday, September 25, 2017 at 7:56 AM How to force restart the 
> iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET With the iPhone 8 
> ($699.00 at Apple) and 8 Plus, Apple has once again changed the button 
> combination used to force restart a frozen phone.
> Up until the iPhone 7 ($720.00 at Amazon Marketplace) and 7 Plus ($785.70 at 
> Amazon Marketplace), you could hold the wake/lock (or 
> "side" button) and the home button at the same time until the Apple logo 
> appeared. That process changed with the iPhone 7 lineup, 
> when you had to hold the wake/lock and volume down buttons to complete the 
> process.
> 
> Now Playing: Watch this: iPhone 8 drop test: How tough is the glass?
> 4:45
> If you try the same thing on the iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, however, you'll quickly 
> learn that's how the Emergency SOS feature is 
> triggered. Depending on your settings, your phone may end up playing a loud 
> alarm and calling emergency services when all you wanted 
> to do was restart your device.
> Apple has published the button sequence (not combination) that restarts the 
> iPhone 8 and 8 Plus. Here's what you need to do:
> Quickly press and release the volume up button.
> Quickly press and release the volume down button.
> Hold in the wake/lock button until you see the Apple logo.
> The next time your phone is running a bit slow or is frozen, keep this in 
> mind. It took me a few tries to get it just right, but it 
> indeed works.
> 
> Original Article At:
> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-force-restart-the-iphone-8-iphone-8-plus/
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Re: To keyboard users with IOS 11.

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, I will tell you smile, settings/general/keyboard.
> On 26 Sep 2017, at 11:09, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> It soundslike you need to turn off the smart punctuation option. I can't 
> remember where it is, but googling it should bring up something fairly 
> quickly--lol Google can find anything.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 4:49 AM, cmohney1...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm I believe  that is the same keyboard I am using.  My apostrophe does not 
>> want to work anymore either it wants to type the ‘ instead of apostrophe.
>> 
>> 
>> Connie
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 6:11 AM, Doc wright  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am not having any problems using the keyboard to start or stop music in 
>>> iOS11.
>>> Vo- starts music no matter where I am. The volume keys also work just fine. 
>>> I am using the Logitech k760.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Connie Mohney
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 1:15 PM
>>> To: viphone
>>> Subject: To keyboard users with IOS 11.
>>> 
>>> Good Sunday afternoon everyone.
>>> Earlier this week I wrote in with keyboard questions for IOS 11 users.  I 
>>> promised I would play in IOS 11 and let you know if I found any work 
>>> arounds.  Here is what I found. If you want to get to home while in an app 
>>> you can press control  option and the letter h.  If you want to close an 
>>> app you can press this same combination but press the h twice quickly.  
>>> This will take you to the app switcher.
>>> Sometimes, I have problems deleting mail especially if I have opened a 
>>> thread of mail to read it.  So, press f3 which will take you away from the 
>>> message.  Once that is done you can go back to the message and delete what 
>>> you want.
>>> 
>>> I have found that I can't activate music anymore with my function keys like 
>>> I used to in IOS 10.  So, in order to start music, you have to have the app 
>>> open.  Once you have it open you can press your function keys to skip a 
>>> song or repeat a song.  The volume buttons in the function keys don't work 
>>> with IOS 11.  Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Connie
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Re: T-mobile Sprint merger weeks away

[Daniel Miller]

It still has a really good chance of being blocked by the FCC, DOJ ETC. don’t 
count on it happening just yet, or maybe even ever.

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Less competition is usually not a good thing, and, as you said, the 
> technologies are different. Eventually all of the carriers will be using LTE 
> but this will take some time. I remember a few years ago t-mobile and at&t 
> wanted to merge and were not permitted to, I'm surprised this one is being 
> allowed to happen. I've been with t-mobile since 2005 and plan on staying 
> with them.
> Original message:
>> So the news is out that we all pretty much knew was coming. T-mobile and
>> Sprint will merge on paper some times in October with the deal being
>> stock and T-mobile being the majority share holders in the deal. My hope
>> is that T-mobile management will remain at the top and that T-mobile
>> wont become more like Verizon and At&t. We've all seen many changes in
>> the wireless industry over the past few years since John Legere has been
>> at the helm. he's dictated how and what the rest of the carriers do and
>> how they treat their customers. Don't think for one minute that Verizon
>> or At&t was smiling when they launched their unlimited data plans and
>> lower prices. They did it because T-mobile gave them no choice if they
>> wanted to remain competitive. But with Sprint being eliminated at the
>> bottom, they wont be there to tug and have the lowest prices forcing
>> T-mobile to price their services lower than Verizon and At&t. What do
>> you all think the future holds with the new merger? I know the big thing
>> is the spectrum that Sprint has and how T-mobile can utilize that to
>> continue to build out their network and increase coverage. I know that
>> Sprint still uses CDMA for their 2G network, but is their 4G networks
>> compatible with what T-mobile currently uses or will every Sprint
>> customer have to eventually get a new phone? I know this would roll out
>> over time like it did with Cricket and Metro PCS and that in 4 years or
>> so most people would have got a new phone anyway.
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Re: Getting rid of braille status cell: IOS 11.

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, understood. Glad the word is out there, as I totally get it. If you soly 
rely on Braille, do not, and I mean, do not, upgrade at this time. However, 
there are some lovely new features and improvements, such as the ability to 
customize Braille commands right from the "more info" screen of your connected 
Braille display. An improvement is how the translator interprets, for example 
plurals.
> On 26 Sep 2017, at 15:03, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Christopher, but I am totally familiar with that issue as I read the 
> ApleVis bugs list on the 19th and have pointed that out to several people on 
> this list who upgraded without checking first.
> I was simply going to test the status cell issue and then delete the device 
> as I have no interest in fighting with the iPhone over the crappy braille 
> interaction.
> 
> That is why I didn't try connecting a device sooner.
> 
> This is my main complaint about Apple.  Braille is always on the bottom of 
> the totem pole.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:00 AM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Re: Getting rid of braille status cell: IOS 11.
> 
> Hello, be careful, there are some nasty Braille bugs in this release 
> regarding typing. Basically, unless you are a slow typist, the translator 
> will not keep up, and it will start missing characters. Just saying, not 
> trying to put you or anyone off from upgrading, however it might be advisable 
> until Apple fixes these glitches. There is more information on Applevis 
> regarding this and the other accessibility bugs that could affect blind and 
> low vision users.
>> On 26 Sep 2017, at 13:53, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I will attempt to connect an old Braille Sense OnHand later today.
>> I just looked at the braille settings and the change I think is you have 
>> general status on/off and Text status on/off along with left or right which 
>> say selected.
>> Did you try turning off both general and text status?
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhoneHi little.
>>> Running  latest Ios. There is no “off” choice under braille, status cell. 
>>> Anyone else having this problem?
>>> Thanks:
>>> Jen
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Re: drag feature I like

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, you can do it absolutely anywhere on your home screen, try the first app 
on the second page of your particular home screen.
> On 26 Sep 2017, at 14:58, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> I figured out after writing that message I can go to the last app in the doc 
> on the home screen, page 2, and start editing with the double tap and hold.
> I thought I had tried that earlier, but that was under the beta.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 6:56 AM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Re: drag feature I like
> 
> Hello, on my devices, iPad included of course, I can start editing from the 
> second page of the home screen. The first page, as always, is your today 
> screen.
>> On 26 Sep 2017, at 14:28, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> I am finding I like the new Drag item approach to moving icons. I only wish 
>> I could invoke it on any screen. On my iPod Touch 6, I have to go to the 
>> last page and the last app to start editing.
>> But I just did my first multiple app move at once by adding a second app to 
>> the drag session.
>> When you want to move more than one app or folder, this is rather slick.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
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RE: Getting rid of braille status cell: IOS 11.

[Richard Turner]

Thanks Christopher, but I am totally familiar with that issue as I read the 
ApleVis bugs list on the 19th and have pointed that out to several people on 
this list who upgraded without checking first.
I was simply going to test the status cell issue and then delete the device as 
I have no interest in fighting with the iPhone over the crappy braille 
interaction.

That is why I didn't try connecting a device sooner.

This is my main complaint about Apple.  Braille is always on the bottom of the 
totem pole.

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:00 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Getting rid of braille status cell: IOS 11.

Hello, be careful, there are some nasty Braille bugs in this release regarding 
typing. Basically, unless you are a slow typist, the translator will not keep 
up, and it will start missing characters. Just saying, not trying to put you or 
anyone off from upgrading, however it might be advisable until Apple fixes 
these glitches. There is more information on Applevis regarding this and the 
other accessibility bugs that could affect blind and low vision users.
> On 26 Sep 2017, at 13:53, Richard Turner  wrote:
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> 
> I will attempt to connect an old Braille Sense OnHand later today.
> I just looked at the braille settings and the change I think is you have 
> general status on/off and Text status on/off along with left or right which 
> say selected.
> Did you try turning off both general and text status?
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Sep 26, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
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>> Sent from my iPhoneHi little.
>> Running  latest Ios. There is no “off” choice under braille, status cell. 
>> Anyone else having this problem?
>> Thanks:
>> Jen
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[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, same here on my iPhone 6s. No noticeable battery drain compared to 10.
> On 26 Sep 2017, at 13:17, hannah day  wrote:
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> Hi no not on my 6 s 
> 
> What phone have you got?
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>> Anyone noticing increased battery drain after installing software version 11 
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