How to Make iPhone Camera Shoot JPEG Pictures in iOS 11

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I know that I posted an article on this topic a few days ago, however, the
following piece includes more options that were not mentioned in the
previous post that I am certain that many will find useful.  

In short, the following piece provides the steps for those who wish to save
space on the iOS device but have the images/videos automatically converted
to a more compatible format when transferred to a Mac or PC.

Note that the following instructions apply to iPhone 7, 8, and X series
devices.

Enjoy,

Mark

How to Make iPhone Camera Shoot JPEG Pictures in iOS 11
OS X Daily - Friday, September 29, 2017 at 10:04 AM
How to Make iPhone Camera Shoot JPEG Pictures in iOS 11
 
The iPhone camera will now default to taking pictures in a new HEIF format,
rather then JPEG. This camera formatting change to HEIF came in iOS 11, but
some iPhone users may prefer to have the camera continue to snap photos in
JPEG format for broader compatibility with sharing, copying to a computer,
and more.
We'll show you how you can change the iPhone camera default image file type
so that the iPhone will shoot pictures in JPEG format again. We'll also
cover a trick for leaving HEIF image format enabled but have those HEIF
images automatically convert to JPEG files upon transfer to a computer.
The iPhone camera image format setting is new to iOS 11 or later. Keep in
mind that HEIF (High Efficiency Image Format, HEIF images have a .heic file
extension) allows for greater file compression, meaning each HEIF picture
file takes up less storage space than a standard JPEG image, sometimes up to
half the size per image. While JPEG images are larger, they're also broadly
compatible without any conversion, and they might be easier to share for
some users. Whether you want to use HEIF or JPEG for shooting iPhone
pictures is up to you.
How to Change iPhone Camera to Shoot JPEG Format Pictures Again
Want your iPhone pictures to be captured and stored as JPEG, as it was
before the latest iOS update? Here's how to make the setting change in iOS:
1.  Open the "Settings" app on the iPhone and go to "Camera"
2.  Choose "Formats" and select "Most Compatible" to shoot photos in
JPEG format on iPhone camera
3.  Exit out of Settings
 
With the "Most Compatible" setting enabled, all iPhone images will be
captured as JPEG files, stored as JPEG files, and copied as JPEG image files
too. This can help for sending and sharing pictures, and using JPEG as the
image format for iPhone camera was the default since the first iPhone
anyway.
Existing .heic files can be converted manually to JPEG or another file
format if need be.
How to Enable HEIF Image Format on iPhone Camera with Image Transfer
Compatibility
lf you'd like to shoot and store HEIF images with iPhone camera and have
them automatically convert to JPEG only upon copying to a computer, here's
the settings to enable:
1.  Open the "Settings" app on the iPhone and go to "Camera"
2.  Choose "Formats" and select "High Efficiency" to capture iPhone
photos in HEIF / HEVC format
3.  Recommended, next to go "Photos" and under the 'Transfer to Mac or
PC' section choose "Automatic" to automatically convert the HEIF images to
JPEG upon file transfer
If you're going to leave HEIF format enabled on iPhone camera, then being
sure the automatic image conversion setting is enabled is a good idea,
because it will automatically convert the HEIF format images into JPEG
format if the pictures are being copied from the iPhone to a Mac or
transferred from an iPhone to a Windows PC.
Future iPhone models will likely continue to use the HEIF format, but
whether you want to use the new HEIF image format or the old traditional
JPEG image format for your iPhone camera shots is entirely up to you. Just
remember that while HEIF may save storage space on an iOS device, you may
experience less image compatibility (before the pictures are converted
anyway), whereas JPEG images will take up more storage but be universally
compatible with basically any device, computer, operating system, or image
reader.

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Apple says iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 do not contain FM radio chips or antennas, in response to FCC request

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9to5Mac - Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 1:46 PM
Apple says iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 do not contain FM radio chips or antennas,
in response to FCC request

Apple has issued its first public response to growing pressure by the FCC
and other groups to activate FM terrestrial radio features inside iPhones
for end-users. In a statement, the company said it cares deeply about the
safety of its users and directed users towards its emergency calling and
Medical ID features.
It is not possible. iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 models do not have FM radio chips
in them nor do they have antennas designed to support FM signals
- Philip Schiller (@pschiller) September 28, 2017
It also revealed that is technically impossible for iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 to
serve as an FM radio anyway, as they lack chips and antennas to support the
signal.

Although the statement doesn’t say it directly, it is pretty obvious that
Apple is not interested in developing or supporting FM radio features for
its devices.
In fact, it is taking the argument off the table by designing its newer
phones in such a way that it could not add an FM radio even if it wanted to.
Apple does not address the technical feasibility of adding a FM radio to
older devices, like the iPhone 6s which it still sells at the Apple Store.
Of course, whilst it is believed to be possible on older phones, Apple has
shown no interest in enabling terrestrial radio features.
The FCC referred to FM’s ability to broadcast information in light of the
devastation caused by the recent hurricanes. Apple pointed to the presence
of government emergency notifications on iOS, which serve as a reasonable
alternative source for the same information. This includes weather warnings
and AMBER alerts.

Users can check to see if they have these critical alerts enabled by going
to Settings → Notifications on their iPhone and scrolling to the bottom of
the list to find the ‘Government Alerts’ section. Just flick the switches
to green to receive these alerts on your lock screen as they come in.
Users interested in listening to the radio can use the Radio section in
Apple Music or the new Radio app in watchOS 4.1. It includes news stations
like NPR as well as the music stations.
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PSA: You can't yet edit iOS 11 iPhone video in FCP X, fix likely coming soon

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Hello Everyone,

I am posting the following article because it echoes my recent workaround to
a new screen-recording video transfer Microsoft Windows incompatibility
problem, introduced with the release of iOS 11.01.

In short, the only way I can get iOS screen-recordings to play, natively on
a Windows PC, with the correct aspect ratio, is to import the video into the
iOS Apple iMovie app, rotate the video, and then export the video to the
Camera Roll from which it will copy to the PC, correctly.  Again, this was
not necessary in iOS 11 but is currently necessary in iOS 11.01.

It took me about an hour to discover this workaround, last night.  Imagine
my surprise when I came across the following article, which, if I had seen
it earlier, would most likely have saved me quite a bit of time (smile).

Upon first read, you may not see the connection between my scenario and the
problem described in the article but, trust me, they are, in fact, directly
related if for no other reason than the issue of the codec in question.

Regardless, glad to know that Apple is aware of this bug and is on top of
it.

Mark

PSA: You can't yet edit iOS 11 iPhone video in FCP X, fix likely coming soon
9to5Mac - Friday, September 29, 2017 at 3:26 AM
PSA: You can't yet edit iOS 11 iPhone video in FCP X, fix likely coming soon
 
Apple's 'just works' philosophy has hit a snag for those shooting video on
an iPhone for editing in Final Cut Pro X: the app doesn't yet support the
new H.265 High Efficiency Video Coding used in iOS 11.
The HEVC codec is, as the name suggests, a far more space-efficient way to
compress video, reducing the space needed to store video by as much as 50%.
But right now, any HEVC video footage you import into FCP X will be unusable
.
 
A member of the Final Cut Pro Radio Facebook group reported it, after
discussion with Apple support staff.
If the device you shoot with has been updated to iOS 11, then by default it
will be shooting with a new codec meant to make more efficient use of space.
That's all well and good except for one teeny tiny detail that Apple failed
to address. Final Cut Pro X can't read the codec. So when you go to try to
import the video, you'll see the clips on your iPhone in FCPX's Import
interface, but the videos will appear as black screen. The audio will be
there, but no picture.
Apple is aware of the problem and will undoubtedly issue a fix shortly.
Oddly, Apple pushed a compatibility update to iMovie ahead of doing so to
FCP X. Granted more iPhone shooters will be using the consumer app than the
pro one, you'd have thought both updates would have been made at the same
time.
If you haven't yet shot video you need to edit with FCP, there's an easy
fix.
Go into the phone's Settings and choose Camera. Then choose Formats. There
you'll find two options. By default, High Efficiency will be checked. You
want to check Most Compatible.
If you have existing HEVC footage you need to edit in FCP, there's a
slightly less easy workaround.
Import the clip into the Photos app on your Mac. Then, once it's fully
imported (which could take a little while depending on how much video we're
talking about here), then just select the clip(s) you need and Export them
from Photos. Photos will export them with a codec that Final Cut Pro X can
read. So once the clip(s) is/are exported from Photos to whatever location
you chose, then open Final Cut Pro and import the clip(s) you just exported
from Photos.
We've asked Apple for comment, and will update with any response.
Check out 9to5Mac on YouTube for more Apple news:
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Re: AD On the Netflicks App

[Richard Turner]

Yes, you can.
Make sure Audio description is turned on in the accessibility settings.
I think all the Netflix original programs have audio description.
I do not know how many movies, etc., they include audio description for in the 
app.

Richard



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On Sep 29, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Andy Baracco 
> wrote:

Can you get audio description when you view content using the IOS app for 
Netflicks?

Andy


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Re: Logitech K4 80 instructions?

[Richard Turner]

Mary,
The bottom row from left to right is:
Control, function, options, command, space, command, options, left arrow, down 
arrow and right arrow.
The up arrow is obviously just above the down arrow.
The top row from left to right is:
Escape, f1 through f12, then a key that seems to behave like the home button, 
and the last key is delete.
Yes, pairing a different device with each position of the dial is correct.
You hold down the right most button of the two rbuttons above the delete key is 
the one for pairing iOS devices.  You hold it down for a few seconds until it 
starts blinking if you have someone arrow who can see it, or until the keyboard 
shows up in your bluetooth settings.
I assume you found the battery compartment and the plastic strip you have to 
remove to allow the batteries to make contact and the on/off switch.

HTH,
Richard



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On Sep 29, 2017, at 8:19 PM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:

I just got the logitech K4 80 keyboard. So I wonder if anybody knows of a place 
that tells you what all those keys are that are across the top, as well as the 
order of those on the bottom, where things like FN and ALT and all that are 
located. I'm sure they're all there. Just the question which one is where? 
Also, I found the dial that you used to switch among the three possible devices 
you can pair. I assume that you put the dial on one setting, pair any device, 
move to the next setting and repeat.

Sent from my iPhone

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Text Messages, Deleting Only 1

[Mike B.]

Hi All,

Running an S e with iOS10.33.  The other day my sister sent me 3 text 
messages within a few minutes of each other, & when I deleted the 1st 1, it 
deleted all 3.  I'm not much of a texting person sending or receiving, so 
when this type of situation happens how do Idelete 1 text message at a time 
rather than deleting all 3?  I should say that I didn't open any of them, I 
just swiped right so Voiceover would read them to me automatically as I was 
swiping right, but Voiceover read the 1st 1, & after deleting this 1, it 
took out the other 3.  All advice will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree. 

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Logitech K4 80 instructions?

[Mary Otten]

I just got the logitech K4 80 keyboard. So I wonder if anybody knows of a place 
that tells you what all those keys are that are across the top, as well as the 
order of those on the bottom, where things like FN and ALT and all that are 
located. I'm sure they're all there. Just the question which one is where? 
Also, I found the dial that you used to switch among the three possible devices 
you can pair. I assume that you put the dial on one setting, pair any device, 
move to the next setting and repeat.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: stuck in the item chooser

[Brian Albriton]

Just a couple of points the first of which is thank you much for the
suggestions. Simply put, my screen had gone a bit nuts so the usual
ways of escaping the item chooser did not work. When turning voiceover
on and off the item chooser would pop up again along with the last
thing I scanned with KNFB Reader. Anyway, all is well for the moment.
I finally managed to get the phone to power off with some doing.
On 9/29/17, Julian  wrote:
> Have you tried turning voiceover off and then back on?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 5:37 PM, Brian Albriton 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I've been hearing about this thing of an item choser that won't go
>> away. Does anyone know how to get out of it? I actually can't power
>> off my phone. WhenI hold in the power button to get to shut off, the
>> item chooser pops up like a jack in the box! Lopsided grin! All the
>> best, Brian
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AD On the Netflicks App

[Andy Baracco]

Can you get audio description when you view content using the IOS app for 
Netflicks?

Andy

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The sounds in Seven Little Words have disappeared

[Jewel]

My phone used to give a little cheep sound when I got a tile correct, and a 
bell-like sound with a 
little reverberation , before the "Well Done" when I, successfully, filled in a 
word.
Both of  these have, now, disappeared.
I have worked my way through the Sunrise set of 25, and those for the last 30 
days and am now on 
2017 January/June.
Everything was going as it should until I got halfway through February, and 
then, the nice sounds 
had gone:  well, there was never anything to enthuse about in  the  cheep 
sound, but the "well done, 
you clever thing, you" joined it! to be replaced by just a click, and then when 
 I got to March, 
even that solitary:  easily missed click  had gone, although I  still do get 
the spoken "well done" 
message.
I have been to settings and located sound, but clicking it on or off does 
nothing.

 Jewel

 

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RE: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Thanks, Ryan, it has absolutely nothing to do with attacking anybody. People 
who know me from this list also know that while I’m a Windows user, I am a very 
big Apple fan when it comes to iOS devices, the Apple TV and the Apple Watch. I 
am the first to point out that Apple has done great things when it comes to 
making accessibility a main stream topic. That does not mean I can’t criticise 
when they do something which makes no sense.
Yes, Alleha, after you mentioned it I checked and the app switcher is now back 
to behaving this way. I installed iOS 11.1 last night so forgive me for not 
having noticed all changes yet. In fact since we did let a few things about iOS 
11.1 out of the bag, it is going to be a nice update which is going to fix a 
lot of issues although I am not a braille user so I’m not sure how far they’ll 
get with that. Anyhow, I don’t want this to become a discussion about 11.1 
since it’s not something Cara and Mark want.
Now, what if a double tap opens apps as it does and has done ever since 
Voiceover came out, but in iOS 12 Apple for some reason only they know decided 
that in order to open links or activate buttons you now had to triple tap. A 
double tap still opens apps, but everything else you now have to triple tap. It 
would make no sense, it would be inconsistent and it would make most people mad 
no end except for a few who maybe also would defend Apple, but that doesn’t 
mean they are right. When it comes to deleting things whether it’s an email, a 
text message, a recent call or Favourite the behaviour of the rotor should be 
consistent and not one thing here and another thing there.
Anyhow, that’s the last I’ll say about it, if Apple were to take a look at 
messages they get I bet 90 or 95% would agree that consistency is important 
here and so let’s see how it plays out.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ryan Mann
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 6:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent 
again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

I don’t feel like this is attacking Apple.  I am on a few different mailing 
lists and it now takes me longer to go through these messages.  I’ve also 
accidently deleted a few messages because the rotor was set to Delete when it 
should have been set to Activate.  Either Activate is the default option or 
it’s not.
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 29, 2017, at 9:21 PM, Aleeha Dudley 
> wrote:
Why are we attacking Apple here? They are trying to make a good thing. and, as 
you are a beta tester, you will have noticed that the app switcher has been 
fixed and does behave like iOS 10.
Honestly, it feels like folks just don't like change. Do you really think 
sighted people don't deal with similar changes in UI that cause them to retrain 
their brains? If you do, then you're mistaken. Why should everything behave as 
it was? Maybe Apple will introduce something else that I don't like, but that's 
the nature of software. We can't have everything we like. It's our job to be 
able to adapt to change. It's not practical to adapt the rotor in all 
situations to behave like this, but in this case, where you might want to 
delete a bunch of mail at once, it's a blessing and, might I add, much faster 
than tapping edit and selecting, as this bogs down after a while and is buggy 
in itself, because if you delete some emails but not all, focus does not return 
to the top of the list like it should after the deletion, in fact, it will be 
set at exactly the number of messages you deleted down the list. That's a 
bigger issue for me than this. I say, let's encourage Apple to fix these bugs 
and be happy with a change that is going to help in the long run.
I'm a trainer, too, and I teach my clients to deal with change. Not every app 
works the same, and we must learn how to deal with that.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 29, 2017, at 8:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:
Aleeha, think of it this way: when iOS 11 was first released everybody 
considered it a bug and it adds nothing to productivity. If you really have a 
bunch of emails to delete tap the edit button and you can mark messages to your 
heart content, in any case, doing a quick flick up before a double tap is so 
fast that you can’t even measure it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 2:45 PM
To: viPhone >
Subject: Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent 
again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

I agree with you, Mary, that should be fixed. But bashing the feature 
altogether is not OK.
Let’s fix the bug, not complain until it 

RE: stuck in the item chooser

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The item chooser is invoked with a 2-finger triple tap, I can't imagine what it 
has to do with the power button.
You can easily get out of the item chooser by pressing the home button or by 
doing a scrub gesture, at least that is how it works for me.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Brian Albriton
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 5:37 PM
To: vIphone List 
Subject: stuck in the item chooser

I've been hearing about this thing of an item choser that won't go away. Does 
anyone know how to get out of it? I actually can't power off my phone. WhenI 
hold in the power button to get to shut off, the item chooser pops up like a 
jack in the box! Lopsided grin! All the best, Brian

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RE: adapter for charging and listening with headphones at the same time

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you don't want to buy a wireless charging Pad which would allow you to use 
Lightning Earpods while the phone is charging on the mat you would need the 
Belkin splitter, it's the only one I ever heard about. I think it's $40, you 
can get less expensive charging pads for sure.


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Candy Lowe
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: adapter for charging and listening with headphones at the same time

Hello everyone 
Could someone please give me a suggestion for the best adapter to allow me to 
listen to music with earpods and also charge my phone at the same time.  I am 
using an iPHONE 8.  Thanks in advance.  
Candy  ,

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problem with Bluetooth keyboard

[Keao Wright]

Hi all,
When I was in the mail app this morning after I set up my account, I had 
trouble getting out of it.
When I tried command vo then h, it didn’t take me out, plus when I try to edit 
something I can’t seem to get in to the field.
I am using IOS 11.1 on an iPhone six s.

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RE: Deleting text messages in 11.0.1

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Unfortunately with text messages there is no way to recover them.
You do use the Edit button, after that double tap each message or conversation 
you want to delete, Voiceover will say that message is "selected".
If you have say 10 messages and you double tap on 4 of them these will be 
selected, then tap on the Delete button at the bottom and these 4 messages get 
deleted.


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Agent086b
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 3:44 PM
To: iPhone List > 
Subject: Deleting text messages in 11.0.1

Hi all,
I read something about this in the past but can’t remember the solution.
How do we delete text messages now? I thought we had to go to edit then delete 
the message you wanted to delete. Somehow I deleted all my messages!! What 
should I have done?
Also is there a way to get back the old messages?
Thanks for any help.
Max.

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Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

[Ryan Mann]

I don’t feel like this is attacking Apple.  I am on a few different mailing 
lists and it now takes me longer to go through these messages.  I’ve also 
accidently deleted a few messages because the rotor was set to Delete when it 
should have been set to Activate.  Either Activate is the default option or 
it’s not.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2017, at 9:21 PM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> Why are we attacking Apple here? They are trying to make a good thing. and, 
> as you are a beta tester, you will have noticed that the app switcher has 
> been fixed and does behave like iOS 10. 
> Honestly, it feels like folks just don't like change. Do you really think 
> sighted people don't deal with similar changes in UI that cause them to 
> retrain their brains? If you do, then you're mistaken. Why should everything 
> behave as it was? Maybe Apple will introduce something else that I don't 
> like, but that's the nature of software. We can't have everything we like. 
> It's our job to be able to adapt to change. It's not practical to adapt the 
> rotor in all situations to behave like this, but in this case, where you 
> might want to delete a bunch of mail at once, it's a blessing and, might I 
> add, much faster than tapping edit and selecting, as this bogs down after a 
> while and is buggy in itself, because if you delete some emails but not all, 
> focus does not return to the top of the list like it should after the 
> deletion, in fact, it will be set at exactly the number of messages you 
> deleted down the list. That's a bigger issue for me than this. I say, let's 
> encourage Apple to fix these bugs and be happy with a change that is going to 
> help in the long run. 
> I'm a trainer, too, and I teach my clients to deal with change. Not every app 
> works the same, and we must learn how to deal with that. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 8:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Aleeha, think of it this way: when iOS 11 was first released everybody 
>> considered it a bug and it adds nothing to productivity. If you really have 
>> a bunch of emails to delete tap the edit button and you can mark messages to 
>> your heart content, in any case, doing a quick flick up before a double tap 
>> is so fast that you can’t even measure it.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Aleeha Dudley
>> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 2:45 PM
>> To: viPhone 
>> Subject: Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent 
>> again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug
>>  
>> I agree with you, Mary, that should be fixed. But bashing the feature 
>> altogether is not OK.
>> Let’s fix the bug, not complain until it returns to the old way. I, for one, 
>> would like this thing to work. I’ve actually found, in the latest beta, that 
>> it’s getting better.
>> Aleeha 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>  
>> It could theoretically be a great change for productivity if it were 100% 
>> consistent. It isn't. It's a disaster. It makes you keep checking and 
>> rechecking which makes the use of the mail app quite less efficient than it 
>> used to be. The word default ought  to mean something.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 2:19 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Guys, 
>> Personally, I think this is a great addition to productivity. Yes, it’s a 
>> change that we must get used to, but I think it would make the power users 
>> of mail very happy. Now, they do need to solve some consistency issues, but 
>> I personally like it. It behaves as the app switcher did in iOS 10. Also, 
>> regarding the comment about restoring a deleted item, shake your phone, and 
>> you will, magically, have an “undo Trash” dialog box. If Apple isn’t allowed 
>> to change its OS, why should they pay attention to us at all? When we whine 
>> and complain about a change that could significantly improve productivity, 
>> why should Apple make its operating system more accessible and better for us?
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>  
>> Hello List,
>>  
>> There has been a fair bit of discussion on a change Apple has implemented in 
>> the Mail app whenit comes to using the rotor to delete messages. In the past 
>> and ever since Apple has introduced rotor actions, a marvellous invention, 
>> the behaviour of the rotor has been quite consistent.
>> Usually you check your Inbox, some messages you don’t even open before you 
>> want to delete them, others you might read and want to delete afterwards, no 
>> matter what, you would normally flick up once when ona message in the Inbox, 
>> this would put focus on the “Delete” option and now you simply double tap 
>> and the message is deleted.
>> This is the same 

Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

[Nimer Jaber]

+759000!!! Software changes. Hardware changes.
That is the nature of it. In this case, I agree with the change. But
whether or not I agree with that is he relevant. And as a trainer, I need
to prepare people for change and teach them how to think for themselves.
>From my perspective, the bug was that the setting chosen by the user would
stay in effect only some of the time. This issue has been fixed in the
beta. I don’t understand blind people sometimes. I really have no idea.
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:21 PM Aleeha Dudley 
wrote:

> Why are we attacking Apple here? They are trying to make a good thing.
> and, as you are a beta tester, you will have noticed that the app switcher
> has been fixed and does behave like iOS 10.
> Honestly, it feels like folks just don't like change. Do you really think
> sighted people don't deal with similar changes in UI that cause them to
> retrain their brains? If you do, then you're mistaken. Why should
> everything behave as it was? Maybe Apple will introduce something else that
> I don't like, but that's the nature of software. We can't have everything
> we like. It's our job to be able to adapt to change. It's not practical to
> adapt the rotor in all situations to behave like this, but in this case,
> where you might want to delete a bunch of mail at once, it's a blessing
> and, might I add, much faster than tapping edit and selecting, as this bogs
> down after a while and is buggy in itself, because if you delete some
> emails but not all, focus does not return to the top of the list like it
> should after the deletion, in fact, it will be set at exactly the number of
> messages you deleted down the list. That's a bigger issue for me than this.
> I say, let's encourage Apple to fix these bugs and be happy with a change
> that is going to help in the long run.
> I'm a trainer, too, and I teach my clients to deal with change. Not every
> app works the same, and we must learn how to deal with that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 29, 2017, at 8:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> Aleeha, think of it this way: when iOS 11 was first released everybody
> considered it a bug and it adds nothing to productivity. If you really have
> a bunch of emails to delete tap the edit button and you can mark messages
> to your heart content, in any case, doing a quick flick up before a double
> tap is so fast that you can’t even measure it.
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Aleeha Dudley
> *Sent:* Friday, September 29, 2017 2:45 PM
> *To:* viPhone 
> *Subject:* Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options
> consistent again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug
>
>
>
> I agree with you, Mary, that should be fixed. But bashing the feature
> altogether is not OK.
>
> Let’s fix the bug, not complain until it returns to the old way. I, for
> one, would like this thing to work. I’ve actually found, in the latest
> beta, that it’s getting better.
>
> Aleeha
>
>
>
> On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>
>
>
> It could theoretically be a great change for productivity if it were 100%
> consistent. It isn't. It's a disaster. It makes you keep checking and
> rechecking which makes the use of the mail app quite less efficient than it
> used to be. The word default ought  to mean something.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Sep 29, 2017, at 2:19 PM, Aleeha Dudley 
> wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> Personally, I think this is a great addition to productivity. Yes, it’s a
> change that we must get used to, but I think it would make the power users
> of mail very happy. Now, they do need to solve some consistency issues, but
> I personally like it. It behaves as the app switcher did in iOS 10. Also,
> regarding the comment about restoring a deleted item, shake your phone, and
> you will, magically, have an “undo Trash” dialog box. If Apple isn’t
> allowed to change its OS, why should they pay attention to us at all? When
> we whine and complain about a change that could significantly improve
> productivity, why should Apple make its operating system more accessible
> and better for us?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello List,
>
>
>
> There has been a fair bit of discussion on a change Apple has implemented
> in the Mail app whenit comes to using the rotor to delete messages. In the
> past and ever since Apple has introduced rotor actions, a marvellous
> invention, the behaviour of the rotor has been quite consistent.
>
> Usually you check your Inbox, some messages you don’t even open before you
> want to delete them, others you might read and want to delete afterwards,
> no matter what, you would normally flick up once when ona message in the
> Inbox, this would put 

Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

[Aleeha Dudley]

Why are we attacking Apple here? They are trying to make a good thing. and, as 
you are a beta tester, you will have noticed that the app switcher has been 
fixed and does behave like iOS 10. 
Honestly, it feels like folks just don't like change. Do you really think 
sighted people don't deal with similar changes in UI that cause them to retrain 
their brains? If you do, then you're mistaken. Why should everything behave as 
it was? Maybe Apple will introduce something else that I don't like, but that's 
the nature of software. We can't have everything we like. It's our job to be 
able to adapt to change. It's not practical to adapt the rotor in all 
situations to behave like this, but in this case, where you might want to 
delete a bunch of mail at once, it's a blessing and, might I add, much faster 
than tapping edit and selecting, as this bogs down after a while and is buggy 
in itself, because if you delete some emails but not all, focus does not return 
to the top of the list like it should after the deletion, in fact, it will be 
set at exactly the number of messages you deleted down the list. That's a 
bigger issue for me than this. I say, let's encourage Apple to fix these bugs 
and be happy with a change that is going to help in the long run. 
I'm a trainer, too, and I teach my clients to deal with change. Not every app 
works the same, and we must learn how to deal with that. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2017, at 8:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Aleeha, think of it this way: when iOS 11 was first released everybody 
> considered it a bug and it adds nothing to productivity. If you really have a 
> bunch of emails to delete tap the edit button and you can mark messages to 
> your heart content, in any case, doing a quick flick up before a double tap 
> is so fast that you can’t even measure it.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 2:45 PM
> To: viPhone 
> Subject: Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent 
> again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug
>  
> I agree with you, Mary, that should be fixed. But bashing the feature 
> altogether is not OK.
> Let’s fix the bug, not complain until it returns to the old way. I, for one, 
> would like this thing to work. I’ve actually found, in the latest beta, that 
> it’s getting better.
> Aleeha 
> 
> 
> On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>  
> It could theoretically be a great change for productivity if it were 100% 
> consistent. It isn't. It's a disaster. It makes you keep checking and 
> rechecking which makes the use of the mail app quite less efficient than it 
> used to be. The word default ought  to mean something.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 29, 2017, at 2:19 PM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> Guys, 
> Personally, I think this is a great addition to productivity. Yes, it’s a 
> change that we must get used to, but I think it would make the power users of 
> mail very happy. Now, they do need to solve some consistency issues, but I 
> personally like it. It behaves as the app switcher did in iOS 10. Also, 
> regarding the comment about restoring a deleted item, shake your phone, and 
> you will, magically, have an “undo Trash” dialog box. If Apple isn’t allowed 
> to change its OS, why should they pay attention to us at all? When we whine 
> and complain about a change that could significantly improve productivity, 
> why should Apple make its operating system more accessible and better for us?
>  
> 
> 
> On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>  
> Hello List,
>  
> There has been a fair bit of discussion on a change Apple has implemented in 
> the Mail app whenit comes to using the rotor to delete messages. In the past 
> and ever since Apple has introduced rotor actions, a marvellous invention, 
> the behaviour of the rotor has been quite consistent.
> Usually you check your Inbox, some messages you don’t even open before you 
> want to delete them, others you might read and want to delete afterwards, no 
> matter what, you would normally flick up once when ona message in the Inbox, 
> this would put focus on the “Delete” option and now you simply double tap and 
> the message is deleted.
> This is the same in the Messages app, it works if you want to delete a 
> Favourite in your Phone app, a recent call and you can use it in many other 
> places.
> After the message or whatever you are deleting has been deleted, for years 
> the normal behaviour was that “Activate” has focus again. This of course 
> makes sense because if you flick through the available options, “Activate” 
> also tells you that it is the default option so of course you would expect 
> that whatever you do focus returns to it so after you delete a message and if 
> 

Re: Possible bug in the VoiceOver test selection Rotor action.

[cwc]

I noticed the same behavior. After two or three tries I was able to copy 
the text that I wanted. It is the first time that I tried it on IOS 11, so 
I credit the issue as a bug. 
On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 12:11:13 PM UTC-4, Malcolm Parfitt wrote:
>
> Hello, 
>
> I have experienced some strange behaviour and as I have not seen it 
> mentioned on this list I thought I would post here to see if others are 
> experiencing the same issue. 
>
> If you select some text using the option found in the VoiceOver Rotor and 
> select copy.  The text is now on the clipboard. 
>
> Now repeat the procedure choosing some new text.  Once copy is selected 
> the first block of text is read out rather than the second selection. 
>
> Can anyone confirm this please? 
>
> Malcolm 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>

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RE: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Aleeha, think of it this way: when iOS 11 was first released everybody 
considered it a bug and it adds nothing to productivity. If you really have a 
bunch of emails to delete tap the edit button and you can mark messages to your 
heart content, in any case, doing a quick flick up before a double tap is so 
fast that you can’t even measure it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 2:45 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent 
again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

I agree with you, Mary, that should be fixed. But bashing the feature 
altogether is not OK.
Let’s fix the bug, not complain until it returns to the old way. I, for one, 
would like this thing to work. I’ve actually found, in the latest beta, that 
it’s getting better.
Aleeha


On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:

It could theoretically be a great change for productivity if it were 100% 
consistent. It isn't. It's a disaster. It makes you keep checking and 
rechecking which makes the use of the mail app quite less efficient than it 
used to be. The word default ought  to mean something.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 29, 2017, at 2:19 PM, Aleeha Dudley 
> wrote:
Guys,
Personally, I think this is a great addition to productivity. Yes, it’s a 
change that we must get used to, but I think it would make the power users of 
mail very happy. Now, they do need to solve some consistency issues, but I 
personally like it. It behaves as the app switcher did in iOS 10. Also, 
regarding the comment about restoring a deleted item, shake your phone, and you 
will, magically, have an “undo Trash” dialog box. If Apple isn’t allowed to 
change its OS, why should they pay attention to us at all? When we whine and 
complain about a change that could significantly improve productivity, why 
should Apple make its operating system more accessible and better for us?



On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:

Hello List,

There has been a fair bit of discussion on a change Apple has implemented in 
the Mail app whenit comes to using the rotor to delete messages. In the past 
and ever since Apple has introduced rotor actions, a marvellous invention, the 
behaviour of the rotor has been quite consistent.
Usually you check your Inbox, some messages you don’t even open before you want 
to delete them, others you might read and want to delete afterwards, no matter 
what, you would normally flick up once when ona message in the Inbox, this 
would put focus on the “Delete” option and now you simply double tap and the 
message is deleted.
This is the same in the Messages app, it works if you want to delete a 
Favourite in your Phone app, a recent call and you can use it in many other 
places.
After the message or whatever you are deleting has been deleted, for years the 
normal behaviour was that “Activate” has focus again. This of course makes 
sense because if you flick through the available options, “Activate” also tells 
you that it is the default option so of course you would expect that whatever 
you do focus returns to it so after you delete a message and if you now want to 
read the next message all you have to do is double tap and it opens up.
Now in IOS 11 Apple has decided that in the Mail app only the rotor should 
behave differently. Mind you if you go to your Inbox and flick through the 
available rotor options, when you get back to activate it still says “Activate, 
default”
However, if you flick up to delete and double tap to delete a message and then 
double tap again expecting you are going to open the next message in focus you 
are sadly mistaken. Apparently the term “default” doesn’t apply any more and 
all you just did is delete the next message. Oops, it was an important message 
you wanted to keep or reply to? Well, no problem, just back out of your Inbox, 
find your delete items, find the message and move it back to the Inbox, then 
back out of deleted items and go back to your Inbox. Why, thank you Apple, you 
just made my day, I didn’t count how many taps and flicks, scrub gestures and 
swipes this takes, but it’s of course ridiculous.
We all know how engrained keystrokes and by now taps and swipes become when you 
get used to something, it makes no sense to make “delete” the default action 
especially if it still says “Activate” is the default. I also wonder what’s 
next, what if Apple decides this should also be so in the Messages app? If you 
accidently delete a text message with important information like maybe the link 
to the boarding pass you just sent to your phone after checking in to a flight 
online then you can’t just tap, swipe and scrub for 30 seconds to get it 

RE: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Alida,

I consider myself to be a power user and certainly Jonathan Mosen and others on 
his beta list are, but nobody there wants this.
This does not improve productivity, it makes thing difficult and any trainers 
who teach people how to use iOS now need to make sure they include a lesson on 
rotor inconsistencies.
Also, you say it behaves as the app switcher did in iOS 10 which is true, but 
of course Apple has also changed the behaviour of the app switcher in iOS 11 
and I’d love to hear their reasoning behind making iOS 11 Mail behave like the 
iOS 10 app switcher and vice versa.
It’s almost like maybe they thought “Hey, let’s switch this around and keep all 
these blind guys on their toes”, maybe it’s their idea of moving the furniture.
I completely agree with Jonathan’s article which I trust you read and if we 
don’t let Apple know what the majority of us think in this regard then who else 
will hold them accountable for some other stupid change, maybe this time it’s 
one you don’t like and I will.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 2:19 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent 
again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

Guys,
Personally, I think this is a great addition to productivity. Yes, it’s a 
change that we must get used to, but I think it would make the power users of 
mail very happy. Now, they do need to solve some consistency issues, but I 
personally like it. It behaves as the app switcher did in iOS 10. Also, 
regarding the comment about restoring a deleted item, shake your phone, and you 
will, magically, have an “undo Trash” dialog box. If Apple isn’t allowed to 
change its OS, why should they pay attention to us at all? When we whine and 
complain about a change that could significantly improve productivity, why 
should Apple make its operating system more accessible and better for us?



On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:

Hello List,

There has been a fair bit of discussion on a change Apple has implemented in 
the Mail app whenit comes to using the rotor to delete messages. In the past 
and ever since Apple has introduced rotor actions, a marvellous invention, the 
behaviour of the rotor has been quite consistent.
Usually you check your Inbox, some messages you don’t even open before you want 
to delete them, others you might read and want to delete afterwards, no matter 
what, you would normally flick up once when ona message in the Inbox, this 
would put focus on the “Delete” option and now you simply double tap and the 
message is deleted.
This is the same in the Messages app, it works if you want to delete a 
Favourite in your Phone app, a recent call and you can use it in many other 
places.
After the message or whatever you are deleting has been deleted, for years the 
normal behaviour was that “Activate” has focus again. This of course makes 
sense because if you flick through the available options, “Activate” also tells 
you that it is the default option so of course you would expect that whatever 
you do focus returns to it so after you delete a message and if you now want to 
read the next message all you have to do is double tap and it opens up.
Now in IOS 11 Apple has decided that in the Mail app only the rotor should 
behave differently. Mind you if you go to your Inbox and flick through the 
available rotor options, when you get back to activate it still says “Activate, 
default”
However, if you flick up to delete and double tap to delete a message and then 
double tap again expecting you are going to open the next message in focus you 
are sadly mistaken. Apparently the term “default” doesn’t apply any more and 
all you just did is delete the next message. Oops, it was an important message 
you wanted to keep or reply to? Well, no problem, just back out of your Inbox, 
find your delete items, find the message and move it back to the Inbox, then 
back out of deleted items and go back to your Inbox. Why, thank you Apple, you 
just made my day, I didn’t count how many taps and flicks, scrub gestures and 
swipes this takes, but it’s of course ridiculous.
We all know how engrained keystrokes and by now taps and swipes become when you 
get used to something, it makes no sense to make “delete” the default action 
especially if it still says “Activate” is the default. I also wonder what’s 
next, what if Apple decides this should also be so in the Messages app? If you 
accidently delete a text message with important information like maybe the link 
to the boarding pass you just sent to your phone after checking in to a flight 
online then you can’t just tap, swipe and scrub for 30 seconds to get it back, 
it’s gone for good which is why allowing Apple to get away with this sets I 
think a dangerous precedent.
Looking 

RE: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you had read my message to the end you would have read that I don’t normally 
want to talk about the public beta, but I did in this case.
I am on the beta and have 11.1 installed and there is no fix because according 
to Apple this is not a bug but it is normal behaviour because they changed it 
to do what it does now.
By doing so they introduced a huge inconsistency in rotor behaviour and if they 
did the same down the road in the Messages app, for example, you would probably 
end up with a lot of accidently deleted text messages. It is unnecessarily 
complicated and it is a change nobody asked for. I’be been on this list for 8 
years and I’m pretty good at remembering what is discussed here and this is not 
one of the items.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent 
again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

Hello,
Sign up for the public beta and you may see a fix to this issue.
Thanks.

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 4:00 PM matthew dyer 
> wrote:
Hi,

I not only forwarded this, but have added my thoughts to them regarding this as 
well.

Matthew


On Sep 29, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:

Hello List,

There has been a fair bit of discussion on a change Apple has implemented in 
the Mail app whenit comes to using the rotor to delete messages. In the past 
and ever since Apple has introduced rotor actions, a marvellous invention, the 
behaviour of the rotor has been quite consistent.
Usually you check your Inbox, some messages you don’t even open before you want 
to delete them, others you might read and want to delete afterwards, no matter 
what, you would normally flick up once when ona message in the Inbox, this 
would put focus on the “Delete” option and now you simply double tap and the 
message is deleted.
This is the same in the Messages app, it works if you want to delete a 
Favourite in your Phone app, a recent call and you can use it in many other 
places.
After the message or whatever you are deleting has been deleted, for years the 
normal behaviour was that “Activate” has focus again. This of course makes 
sense because if you flick through the available options, “Activate” also tells 
you that it is the default option so of course you would expect that whatever 
you do focus returns to it so after you delete a message and if you now want to 
read the next message all you have to do is double tap and it opens up.
Now in IOS 11 Apple has decided that in the Mail app only the rotor should 
behave differently. Mind you if you go to your Inbox and flick through the 
available rotor options, when you get back to activate it still says “Activate, 
default”
However, if you flick up to delete and double tap to delete a message and then 
double tap again expecting you are going to open the next message in focus you 
are sadly mistaken. Apparently the term “default” doesn’t apply any more and 
all you just did is delete the next message. Oops, it was an important message 
you wanted to keep or reply to? Well, no problem, just back out of your Inbox, 
find your delete items, find the message and move it back to the Inbox, then 
back out of deleted items and go back to your Inbox. Why, thank you Apple, you 
just made my day, I didn’t count how many taps and flicks, scrub gestures and 
swipes this takes, but it’s of course ridiculous.
We all know how engrained keystrokes and by now taps and swipes become when you 
get used to something, it makes no sense to make “delete” the default action 
especially if it still says “Activate” is the default. I also wonder what’s 
next, what if Apple decides this should also be so in the Messages app? If you 
accidently delete a text message with important information like maybe the link 
to the boarding pass you just sent to your phone after checking in to a flight 
online then you can’t just tap, swipe and scrub for 30 seconds to get it back, 
it’s gone for good which is why allowing Apple to get away with this sets I 
think a dangerous precedent.
Looking at the issue from that perspective is concerning and I think it is one 
of these times when everybody and I really mean everybody even if you don’t use 
the Mail app on the iPhone should send a message to 
accessibil...@apple.com asking that the default 
action which is “activate” is restored, it may not effect you this time, but 
maybe next time Apple changes something it will effect you and we need to speak 
up and let Apple know that we prefer a consistent, polished UI and experience 
over random and unexplained changes which make no sense to anybody. Come on 
Apple, Tim Cook and others point out at every keynote how Apple can do things 

Re: stuck in the item chooser

[Julian]

Have you tried turning voiceover off and then back on?

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
> I've been hearing about this thing of an item choser that won't go
> away. Does anyone know how to get out of it? I actually can't power
> off my phone. WhenI hold in the power button to get to shut off, the
> item chooser pops up like a jack in the box! Lopsided grin! All the
> best, Brian
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stuck in the item chooser

[Brian Albriton]

I've been hearing about this thing of an item choser that won't go
away. Does anyone know how to get out of it? I actually can't power
off my phone. WhenI hold in the power button to get to shut off, the
item chooser pops up like a jack in the box! Lopsided grin! All the
best, Brian

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adapter for charging and listening with headphones at the same time

[Candy Lowe]

Hello everyone 
Could someone please give me a suggestion for the best adapter to allow me to 
listen to music with earpods and also charge my phone at the same time.  I am 
using an iPHONE 8.  Thanks in advance.  
Candy  ,

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Amazon, Siri, Facebook, Google: How to turn off listening devices

[M. Taylor]

How to stop your devices from listening to (and saving) what you say 

Kim Komando , Special for USA TODAY

USA TODAY Tech columnist Kim Komando explains how to keep your devices from
listening to what you say. Kim Komando, Special for USA Today This Monday,
June 19, 2017, photo shows Facebook launched on an iPhone, in North Andover,
Mass. (Photo: Elise Amendola, AP) Yes, voice technology is amazing. You can
ask your phone a question. You can talk to your speaker system and even book
an Uber. With the right setup, you can verbally lock the doors in your
house, dim the lights, and change the thermostat. All across America, people
are embracing their oral fixation. Virtual assistants are handy, but they're
always listening. As more manufacturers and developers jump onto the audio
tracking bandwagon, you may wonder how much your devices are recording. And
what happens to the audio files they gather? Worst of all: apps that use
ultrasonic data to profile you. You don't hear the tones, but your device
does. More about that later. Some regular apps are designed to spy and
report back recordings. Read more on five spy apps that could be on your
phone watching and listening right now. Creeped out? Many people are. Lots
of consumers don't trust their virtual assistants and wonder how to switch
them off. If you're worried about the privacy risks of your smartphone's
always-on microphone, here are tips on how to turn it off: When you put the
Facebook app on your phone, it requests access to your microphone. Why?
Facebook needs to record your voice when you shoot live video. But some
people are wary of this. Does the app only record you when you're on camera?
Or is Facebook "listening" through your microphone? Facebook denies these
claims , and there is no solid evidence to support this fear. But you are
absolutely welcome to sever the tie between app and microphone. Many people
have no use for this access anyway, so there's nothing to lose by switching
it off. If you are an iPhone user , go to Settings >> Facebook >> Settings
>> slide the Microphone switch to the left so it turns from green to white.
That turns it off. Alternatively, you can go to Settings >> Privacy >>
Microphone >> look for Facebook then do the same. Note that you can toggle
the mic on and off for other apps, too. For Android users: Try Settings >>
Applications >> Application Manager >> look for Facebook >> Permissions >>
Turn off the mic. If you do decide to shoot video later on, just return to
those settings and re-establish a connection to your mic. You can always
switch it off again when you're done. The new Amazon Echo Plus. (Photo:
Reviewed.com) Is Amazon Echo always listening? Alexa is activated when it
detects one of its wake words, which are "Alexa," "Amazon," "Computer," or
"Echo. You'll know that the device is ready for a command when the outer
ring at the top glows blue. But until that happens, Alexa always has open
ears, waiting to be addressed. When activated, Alexa allows you to search
the web, play music, and even control other smart home devices you've added
to your home network. For example, with the right smart gadgets, you can
turn off the lights in another room, lock the front door, turn up the
thermostat, etc. More: Watch out, Apple: Amazon announces new $99,
Alexa-powered Echo More: Amazon is giving away free smart bulbs if you order
the Echo Plus now More: Everything you need to know to set up an Amazon Echo
for your parents The downside is that Amazon keeps an audio recording of
every voice command you've issued to Alexa. When you give a command to
Alexa, a recording of that command is stored on Amazon's servers. According
to Amazon, there is also a fraction of a second of audio before the wake
word that is stored along with each recording. That fraction of a second
gets saved along with your main command, and the recording ends after the
command has been processed. I was surprised when I checked my Amazon Echo
recordings. In one recording, I was explaining why I wasn't taking a deal on
a commercial building that I had for sale. You should take a moment and
check your recordings. Learn how to hear all your Amazon Echo recordings and
delete them, too . Screenshot of Siri on iPhone (Photo: Jefferson Graham)
Like the Echo, Siri is always attentive, even when you've forgotten your
iPhone can hear you. With iOS 8, Apple introduced the "Hey Siri" wake
phrase, so you can summon Siri without even touching your iPhone. If you
turn this feature on, this means your iPhone's mic is always listening,
waiting for the phrase "Hey Siri. Apple says this is processed locally on
the device and your iOS device does not start recording your voice until it
hears "Hey Siri. Once your request is recorded, it then uploads the audio
file to Apple's servers for processing. But that may still give you the
willies, and luckily, you don't have to disable Siri completely to stop the
"Hey Siri" feature. Here's the easiest way to turn off "Hey Siri": 

Deleting text messages in 11.0.1

[Agent086b]

Hi all,
I read something about this in the past but can’t remember the solution.
How do we delete text messages now? I thought we had to go to edit then delete 
the message you wanted to delete. Somehow I deleted all my messages!! What 
should I have done?
Also is there a way to get back the old messages?
Thanks for any help.
Max.

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Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi Carol, 
Currently, in iOS 11, the behavior of the actions rotor has changed for Mail. 
It used to be that, when you flicked up or down to an action in Mail and then 
activated it, for example deleting an email, the rotor would return to the 
default option of activate, when focused on the next message. Now, the intended 
behavior is that the rotor should stay on the first option, delete in the 
example above, so that productivity can be enhanced and a user could batch 
delete a bunch of emails by just double tapping continuously. Unfortunately, 
the implementation of this is somewhat spotty, and the rotor does not stay on 
the right option all the time, causing the user to need to check every time 
which setting the rotor is on, causing a huge issue with productivity. 
I hope this helps explain things. Some people don’t like this behavior because 
it doesn’t necessarily occur in a bunch of other places in the OS.
Aleeha 

> On Sep 29, 2017, at 5:07 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m sorry, I have probably missed a message or two somewhere…
> I am not sure exactly what you are meaning here. What is wrong with it?
> I will certainly report it if I can find it to be true, but I have no idea 
> quite what’s happening! :-) 
> 
> 
> 
> Carol P
> Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
> 
> On 29 Sep 2017, at 10:19 pm, Aleeha Dudley  > wrote:
> 
> Guys, 
> Personally, I think this is a great addition to productivity. Yes, it’s a 
> change that we must get used to, but I think it would make the power users of 
> mail very happy. Now, they do need to solve some consistency issues, but I 
> personally like it. It behaves as the app switcher did in iOS 10. Also, 
> regarding the comment about restoring a deleted item, shake your phone, and 
> you will, magically, have an “undo Trash” dialog box. If Apple isn’t allowed 
> to change its OS, why should they pay attention to us at all? When we whine 
> and complain about a change that could significantly improve productivity, 
> why should Apple make its operating system more accessible and better for us?
> 
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello List,
>>  
>> There has been a fair bit of discussion on a change Apple has implemented in 
>> the Mail app whenit comes to using the rotor to delete messages. In the past 
>> and ever since Apple has introduced rotor actions, a marvellous invention, 
>> the behaviour of the rotor has been quite consistent.
>> Usually you check your Inbox, some messages you don’t even open before you 
>> want to delete them, others you might read and want to delete afterwards, no 
>> matter what, you would normally flick up once when ona message in the Inbox, 
>> this would put focus on the “Delete” option and now you simply double tap 
>> and the message is deleted.
>> This is the same in the Messages app, it works if you want to delete a 
>> Favourite in your Phone app, a recent call and you can use it in many other 
>> places.
>> After the message or whatever you are deleting has been deleted, for years 
>> the normal behaviour was that “Activate” has focus again. This of course 
>> makes sense because if you flick through the available options, “Activate” 
>> also tells you that it is the default option so of course you would expect 
>> that whatever you do focus returns to it so after you delete a message and 
>> if you now want to read the next message all you have to do is double tap 
>> and it opens up.
>> Now in IOS 11 Apple has decided that in the Mail app only the rotor should 
>> behave differently. Mind you if you go to your Inbox and flick through the 
>> available rotor options, when you get back to activate it still says 
>> “Activate, default”
>> However, if you flick up to delete and double tap to delete a message and 
>> then double tap again expecting you are going to open the next message in 
>> focus you are sadly mistaken. Apparently the term “default” doesn’t apply 
>> any more and all you just did is delete the next message. Oops, it was an 
>> important message you wanted to keep or reply to? Well, no problem, just 
>> back out of your Inbox, find your delete items, find the message and move it 
>> back to the Inbox, then back out of deleted items and go back to your Inbox. 
>> Why, thank you Apple, you just made my day, I didn’t count how many taps and 
>> flicks, scrub gestures and swipes this takes, but it’s of course ridiculous.
>> We all know how engrained keystrokes and by now taps and swipes become when 
>> you get used to something, it makes no sense to make “delete” the default 
>> action especially if it still says “Activate” is the default. I also wonder 
>> what’s next, what if Apple decides this should also be so in the Messages 
>> app? If you accidently delete a text message with important information like 
>> maybe 

Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

I’m sorry, I have probably missed a message or two somewhere…
I am not sure exactly what you are meaning here. What is wrong with it?
I will certainly report it if I can find it to be true, but I have no idea 
quite what’s happening! :-) 



Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 29 Sep 2017, at 10:19 pm, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:

Guys, 
Personally, I think this is a great addition to productivity. Yes, it’s a 
change that we must get used to, but I think it would make the power users of 
mail very happy. Now, they do need to solve some consistency issues, but I 
personally like it. It behaves as the app switcher did in iOS 10. Also, 
regarding the comment about restoring a deleted item, shake your phone, and you 
will, magically, have an “undo Trash” dialog box. If Apple isn’t allowed to 
change its OS, why should they pay attention to us at all? When we whine and 
complain about a change that could significantly improve productivity, why 
should Apple make its operating system more accessible and better for us?


> On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hello List,
>  
> There has been a fair bit of discussion on a change Apple has implemented in 
> the Mail app whenit comes to using the rotor to delete messages. In the past 
> and ever since Apple has introduced rotor actions, a marvellous invention, 
> the behaviour of the rotor has been quite consistent.
> Usually you check your Inbox, some messages you don’t even open before you 
> want to delete them, others you might read and want to delete afterwards, no 
> matter what, you would normally flick up once when ona message in the Inbox, 
> this would put focus on the “Delete” option and now you simply double tap and 
> the message is deleted.
> This is the same in the Messages app, it works if you want to delete a 
> Favourite in your Phone app, a recent call and you can use it in many other 
> places.
> After the message or whatever you are deleting has been deleted, for years 
> the normal behaviour was that “Activate” has focus again. This of course 
> makes sense because if you flick through the available options, “Activate” 
> also tells you that it is the default option so of course you would expect 
> that whatever you do focus returns to it so after you delete a message and if 
> you now want to read the next message all you have to do is double tap and it 
> opens up.
> Now in IOS 11 Apple has decided that in the Mail app only the rotor should 
> behave differently. Mind you if you go to your Inbox and flick through the 
> available rotor options, when you get back to activate it still says 
> “Activate, default”
> However, if you flick up to delete and double tap to delete a message and 
> then double tap again expecting you are going to open the next message in 
> focus you are sadly mistaken. Apparently the term “default” doesn’t apply any 
> more and all you just did is delete the next message. Oops, it was an 
> important message you wanted to keep or reply to? Well, no problem, just back 
> out of your Inbox, find your delete items, find the message and move it back 
> to the Inbox, then back out of deleted items and go back to your Inbox. Why, 
> thank you Apple, you just made my day, I didn’t count how many taps and 
> flicks, scrub gestures and swipes this takes, but it’s of course ridiculous.
> We all know how engrained keystrokes and by now taps and swipes become when 
> you get used to something, it makes no sense to make “delete” the default 
> action especially if it still says “Activate” is the default. I also wonder 
> what’s next, what if Apple decides this should also be so in the Messages 
> app? If you accidently delete a text message with important information like 
> maybe the link to the boarding pass you just sent to your phone after 
> checking in to a flight online then you can’t just tap, swipe and scrub for 
> 30 seconds to get it back, it’s gone for good which is why allowing Apple to 
> get away with this sets I think a dangerous precedent.
> Looking at the issue from that perspective is concerning and I think it is 
> one of these times when everybody and I really mean everybody even if you 
> don’t use the Mail app on the iPhone should send a message 
> toaccessibil...@apple.com asking that the default action which is “activate” 
> is restored, it may not effect you this time, but maybe next time Apple 
> changes something it will effect you and we need to speak up and let Apple 
> know that we prefer a consistent, polished UI and experience over random and 
> unexplained changes which make no sense to anybody. Come on Apple, Tim Cook 
> and others point out at every keynote how Apple can do things others can’t 
> because you have complete control over both hardware and software, you claim 
> that your devices and software are superior because of the consistency in the 
> UI often even when you go from iOS to Mac OS, TV OS and Watch OS so 

Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

[Aleeha Dudley]

I agree with you, Mary, that should be fixed. But bashing the feature 
altogether is not OK.
Let’s fix the bug, not complain until it returns to the old way. I, for one, 
would like this thing to work. I’ve actually found, in the latest beta, that 
it’s getting better.
Aleeha 

> On Sep 29, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> It could theoretically be a great change for productivity if it were 100% 
> consistent. It isn't. It's a disaster. It makes you keep checking and 
> rechecking which makes the use of the mail app quite less efficient than it 
> used to be. The word default ought  to mean something.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 29, 2017, at 2:19 PM, Aleeha Dudley  > wrote:
> 
>> Guys, 
>> Personally, I think this is a great addition to productivity. Yes, it’s a 
>> change that we must get used to, but I think it would make the power users 
>> of mail very happy. Now, they do need to solve some consistency issues, but 
>> I personally like it. It behaves as the app switcher did in iOS 10. Also, 
>> regarding the comment about restoring a deleted item, shake your phone, and 
>> you will, magically, have an “undo Trash” dialog box. If Apple isn’t allowed 
>> to change its OS, why should they pay attention to us at all? When we whine 
>> and complain about a change that could significantly improve productivity, 
>> why should Apple make its operating system more accessible and better for us?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello List,
>>>  
>>> There has been a fair bit of discussion on a change Apple has implemented 
>>> in the Mail app whenit comes to using the rotor to delete messages. In the 
>>> past and ever since Apple has introduced rotor actions, a marvellous 
>>> invention, the behaviour of the rotor has been quite consistent.
>>> Usually you check your Inbox, some messages you don’t even open before you 
>>> want to delete them, others you might read and want to delete afterwards, 
>>> no matter what, you would normally flick up once when ona message in the 
>>> Inbox, this would put focus on the “Delete” option and now you simply 
>>> double tap and the message is deleted.
>>> This is the same in the Messages app, it works if you want to delete a 
>>> Favourite in your Phone app, a recent call and you can use it in many other 
>>> places.
>>> After the message or whatever you are deleting has been deleted, for years 
>>> the normal behaviour was that “Activate” has focus again. This of course 
>>> makes sense because if you flick through the available options, “Activate” 
>>> also tells you that it is the default option so of course you would expect 
>>> that whatever you do focus returns to it so after you delete a message and 
>>> if you now want to read the next message all you have to do is double tap 
>>> and it opens up.
>>> Now in IOS 11 Apple has decided that in the Mail app only the rotor should 
>>> behave differently. Mind you if you go to your Inbox and flick through the 
>>> available rotor options, when you get back to activate it still says 
>>> “Activate, default”
>>> However, if you flick up to delete and double tap to delete a message and 
>>> then double tap again expecting you are going to open the next message in 
>>> focus you are sadly mistaken. Apparently the term “default” doesn’t apply 
>>> any more and all you just did is delete the next message. Oops, it was an 
>>> important message you wanted to keep or reply to? Well, no problem, just 
>>> back out of your Inbox, find your delete items, find the message and move 
>>> it back to the Inbox, then back out of deleted items and go back to your 
>>> Inbox. Why, thank you Apple, you just made my day, I didn’t count how many 
>>> taps and flicks, scrub gestures and swipes this takes, but it’s of course 
>>> ridiculous.
>>> We all know how engrained keystrokes and by now taps and swipes become when 
>>> you get used to something, it makes no sense to make “delete” the default 
>>> action especially if it still says “Activate” is the default. I also wonder 
>>> what’s next, what if Apple decides this should also be so in the Messages 
>>> app? If you accidently delete a text message with important information 
>>> like maybe the link to the boarding pass you just sent to your phone after 
>>> checking in to a flight online then you can’t just tap, swipe and scrub for 
>>> 30 seconds to get it back, it’s gone for good which is why allowing Apple 
>>> to get away with this sets I think a dangerous precedent.
>>> Looking at the issue from that perspective is concerning and I think it is 
>>> one of these times when everybody and I really mean everybody even if you 
>>> don’t use the Mail app on the iPhone should send a message 
>>> toaccessibil...@apple.com  asking that the 
>>> default action 

Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

[Mary Otten]

It could theoretically be a great change for productivity if it were 100% 
consistent. It isn't. It's a disaster. It makes you keep checking and 
rechecking which makes the use of the mail app quite less efficient than it 
used to be. The word default ought  to mean something.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2017, at 2:19 PM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> Guys, 
> Personally, I think this is a great addition to productivity. Yes, it’s a 
> change that we must get used to, but I think it would make the power users of 
> mail very happy. Now, they do need to solve some consistency issues, but I 
> personally like it. It behaves as the app switcher did in iOS 10. Also, 
> regarding the comment about restoring a deleted item, shake your phone, and 
> you will, magically, have an “undo Trash” dialog box. If Apple isn’t allowed 
> to change its OS, why should they pay attention to us at all? When we whine 
> and complain about a change that could significantly improve productivity, 
> why should Apple make its operating system more accessible and better for us?
> 
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello List,
>>  
>> There has been a fair bit of discussion on a change Apple has implemented in 
>> the Mail app whenit comes to using the rotor to delete messages. In the past 
>> and ever since Apple has introduced rotor actions, a marvellous invention, 
>> the behaviour of the rotor has been quite consistent.
>> Usually you check your Inbox, some messages you don’t even open before you 
>> want to delete them, others you might read and want to delete afterwards, no 
>> matter what, you would normally flick up once when ona message in the Inbox, 
>> this would put focus on the “Delete” option and now you simply double tap 
>> and the message is deleted.
>> This is the same in the Messages app, it works if you want to delete a 
>> Favourite in your Phone app, a recent call and you can use it in many other 
>> places.
>> After the message or whatever you are deleting has been deleted, for years 
>> the normal behaviour was that “Activate” has focus again. This of course 
>> makes sense because if you flick through the available options, “Activate” 
>> also tells you that it is the default option so of course you would expect 
>> that whatever you do focus returns to it so after you delete a message and 
>> if you now want to read the next message all you have to do is double tap 
>> and it opens up.
>> Now in IOS 11 Apple has decided that in the Mail app only the rotor should 
>> behave differently. Mind you if you go to your Inbox and flick through the 
>> available rotor options, when you get back to activate it still says 
>> “Activate, default”
>> However, if you flick up to delete and double tap to delete a message and 
>> then double tap again expecting you are going to open the next message in 
>> focus you are sadly mistaken. Apparently the term “default” doesn’t apply 
>> any more and all you just did is delete the next message. Oops, it was an 
>> important message you wanted to keep or reply to? Well, no problem, just 
>> back out of your Inbox, find your delete items, find the message and move it 
>> back to the Inbox, then back out of deleted items and go back to your Inbox. 
>> Why, thank you Apple, you just made my day, I didn’t count how many taps and 
>> flicks, scrub gestures and swipes this takes, but it’s of course ridiculous.
>> We all know how engrained keystrokes and by now taps and swipes become when 
>> you get used to something, it makes no sense to make “delete” the default 
>> action especially if it still says “Activate” is the default. I also wonder 
>> what’s next, what if Apple decides this should also be so in the Messages 
>> app? If you accidently delete a text message with important information like 
>> maybe the link to the boarding pass you just sent to your phone after 
>> checking in to a flight online then you can’t just tap, swipe and scrub for 
>> 30 seconds to get it back, it’s gone for good which is why allowing Apple to 
>> get away with this sets I think a dangerous precedent.
>> Looking at the issue from that perspective is concerning and I think it is 
>> one of these times when everybody and I really mean everybody even if you 
>> don’t use the Mail app on the iPhone should send a message 
>> toaccessibil...@apple.com asking that the default action which is “activate” 
>> is restored, it may not effect you this time, but maybe next time Apple 
>> changes something it will effect you and we need to speak up and let Apple 
>> know that we prefer a consistent, polished UI and experience over random and 
>> unexplained changes which make no sense to anybody. Come on Apple, Tim Cook 
>> and others point out at every keynote how Apple can do things others can’t 
>> because you have complete control over both hardware and software, you claim 
>> that your devices and software are superior 

Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

[Aleeha Dudley]

Guys, 
Personally, I think this is a great addition to productivity. Yes, it’s a 
change that we must get used to, but I think it would make the power users of 
mail very happy. Now, they do need to solve some consistency issues, but I 
personally like it. It behaves as the app switcher did in iOS 10. Also, 
regarding the comment about restoring a deleted item, shake your phone, and you 
will, magically, have an “undo Trash” dialog box. If Apple isn’t allowed to 
change its OS, why should they pay attention to us at all? When we whine and 
complain about a change that could significantly improve productivity, why 
should Apple make its operating system more accessible and better for us?


> On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hello List,
>  
> There has been a fair bit of discussion on a change Apple has implemented in 
> the Mail app whenit comes to using the rotor to delete messages. In the past 
> and ever since Apple has introduced rotor actions, a marvellous invention, 
> the behaviour of the rotor has been quite consistent.
> Usually you check your Inbox, some messages you don’t even open before you 
> want to delete them, others you might read and want to delete afterwards, no 
> matter what, you would normally flick up once when ona message in the Inbox, 
> this would put focus on the “Delete” option and now you simply double tap and 
> the message is deleted.
> This is the same in the Messages app, it works if you want to delete a 
> Favourite in your Phone app, a recent call and you can use it in many other 
> places.
> After the message or whatever you are deleting has been deleted, for years 
> the normal behaviour was that “Activate” has focus again. This of course 
> makes sense because if you flick through the available options, “Activate” 
> also tells you that it is the default option so of course you would expect 
> that whatever you do focus returns to it so after you delete a message and if 
> you now want to read the next message all you have to do is double tap and it 
> opens up.
> Now in IOS 11 Apple has decided that in the Mail app only the rotor should 
> behave differently. Mind you if you go to your Inbox and flick through the 
> available rotor options, when you get back to activate it still says 
> “Activate, default”
> However, if you flick up to delete and double tap to delete a message and 
> then double tap again expecting you are going to open the next message in 
> focus you are sadly mistaken. Apparently the term “default” doesn’t apply any 
> more and all you just did is delete the next message. Oops, it was an 
> important message you wanted to keep or reply to? Well, no problem, just back 
> out of your Inbox, find your delete items, find the message and move it back 
> to the Inbox, then back out of deleted items and go back to your Inbox. Why, 
> thank you Apple, you just made my day, I didn’t count how many taps and 
> flicks, scrub gestures and swipes this takes, but it’s of course ridiculous.
> We all know how engrained keystrokes and by now taps and swipes become when 
> you get used to something, it makes no sense to make “delete” the default 
> action especially if it still says “Activate” is the default. I also wonder 
> what’s next, what if Apple decides this should also be so in the Messages 
> app? If you accidently delete a text message with important information like 
> maybe the link to the boarding pass you just sent to your phone after 
> checking in to a flight online then you can’t just tap, swipe and scrub for 
> 30 seconds to get it back, it’s gone for good which is why allowing Apple to 
> get away with this sets I think a dangerous precedent.
> Looking at the issue from that perspective is concerning and I think it is 
> one of these times when everybody and I really mean everybody even if you 
> don’t use the Mail app on the iPhone should send a message 
> toaccessibil...@apple.com  asking that the 
> default action which is “activate” is restored, it may not effect you this 
> time, but maybe next time Apple changes something it will effect you and we 
> need to speak up and let Apple know that we prefer a consistent, polished UI 
> and experience over random and unexplained changes which make no sense to 
> anybody. Come on Apple, Tim Cook and others point out at every keynote how 
> Apple can do things others can’t because you have complete control over both 
> hardware and software, you claim that your devices and software are superior 
> because of the consistency in the UI often even when you go from iOS to Mac 
> OS, TV OS and Watch OS so put your rotor actions where your mouth is and fix 
> this so it is once again consistent.
> I am going to do something I usually don’t do because I respect the owner’s 
> wish not to discuss beta software. However, in this case I will say that 
> after installing the iOS 11.1 Public Beta this behaviour is still present. 
> This 

RE: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Sieghard,

Thanks for posting this. I forwarded it to apple along with my comments.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent again 
and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

 

Hello List,

 

There has been a fair bit of discussion on a change Apple has implemented in 
the Mail app whenit comes to using the rotor to delete messages. In the past 
and ever since Apple has introduced rotor actions, a marvellous invention, the 
behaviour of the rotor has been quite consistent.

Usually you check your Inbox, some messages you don’t even open before you want 
to delete them, others you might read and want to delete afterwards, no matter 
what, you would normally flick up once when ona message in the Inbox, this 
would put focus on the “Delete” option and now you simply double tap and the 
message is deleted.

This is the same in the Messages app, it works if you want to delete a 
Favourite in your Phone app, a recent call and you can use it in many other 
places.

After the message or whatever you are deleting has been deleted, for years the 
normal behaviour was that “Activate” has focus again. This of course makes 
sense because if you flick through the available options, “Activate” also tells 
you that it is the default option so of course you would expect that whatever 
you do focus returns to it so after you delete a message and if you now want to 
read the next message all you have to do is double tap and it opens up.

Now in IOS 11 Apple has decided that in the Mail app only the rotor should 
behave differently. Mind you if you go to your Inbox and flick through the 
available rotor options, when you get back to activate it still says “Activate, 
default”

However, if you flick up to delete and double tap to delete a message and then 
double tap again expecting you are going to open the next message in focus you 
are sadly mistaken. Apparently the term “default” doesn’t apply any more and 
all you just did is delete the next message. Oops, it was an important message 
you wanted to keep or reply to? Well, no problem, just back out of your Inbox, 
find your delete items, find the message and move it back to the Inbox, then 
back out of deleted items and go back to your Inbox. Why, thank you Apple, you 
just made my day, I didn’t count how many taps and flicks, scrub gestures and 
swipes this takes, but it’s of course ridiculous.

We all know how engrained keystrokes and by now taps and swipes become when you 
get used to something, it makes no sense to make “delete” the default action 
especially if it still says “Activate” is the default. I also wonder what’s 
next, what if Apple decides this should also be so in the Messages app? If you 
accidently delete a text message with important information like maybe the link 
to the boarding pass you just sent to your phone after checking in to a flight 
online then you can’t just tap, swipe and scrub for 30 seconds to get it back, 
it’s gone for good which is why allowing Apple to get away with this sets I 
think a dangerous precedent.

Looking at the issue from that perspective is concerning and I think it is one 
of these times when everybody and I really mean everybody even if you don’t use 
the Mail app on the iPhone should send a message to accessibil...@apple.com 
asking that the default action which is “activate” is restored, it may not 
effect you this time, but maybe next time Apple changes something it will 
effect you and we need to speak up and let Apple know that we prefer a 
consistent, polished UI and experience over random and unexplained changes 
which make no sense to anybody. Come on Apple, Tim Cook and others point out at 
every keynote how Apple can do things others can’t because you have complete 
control over both hardware and software, you claim that your devices and 
software are superior because of the consistency in the UI often even when you 
go from iOS to Mac OS, TV OS and Watch OS so put your rotor actions where your 
mouth is and fix this so it is once again consistent.

I am going to do something I usually don’t do because I respect the owner’s 
wish not to discuss beta software. However, in this case I will say that after 
installing the iOS 11.1 Public Beta this behaviour is still present. This would 
support the email I received from Apple Accessibility where after I submitted 
this as a bug I was told that it is in fact changed and expected behaviour. In 
iOS 11.1 Apple has added additional and completely unnecessary verbage, now if 
you flick up to the delete rotor option and double tap Voiceover tells you 
“Message Deleted”. I am amazed to receive such profound information, I mean I 
just performed the actions to delete a message, do I really need to hear that 
this is what I did?

I guess it 

Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

[Nimer Jaber]

Hello,

Sign up for the public beta and you may see a fix to this issue.

Thanks.

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 4:00 PM matthew dyer 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I not only forwarded this, but have added my thoughts to them regarding
> this as well.
>
> Matthew
>
>
> On Sep 29, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> Hello List,
>
>
>
> There has been a fair bit of discussion on a change Apple has implemented
> in the Mail app whenit comes to using the rotor to delete messages. In the
> past and ever since Apple has introduced rotor actions, a marvellous
> invention, the behaviour of the rotor has been quite consistent.
>
> Usually you check your Inbox, some messages you don’t even open before you
> want to delete them, others you might read and want to delete afterwards,
> no matter what, you would normally flick up once when ona message in the
> Inbox, this would put focus on the “Delete” option and now you simply
> double tap and the message is deleted.
>
> This is the same in the Messages app, it works if you want to delete a
> Favourite in your Phone app, a recent call and you can use it in many other
> places.
>
> After the message or whatever you are deleting has been deleted, for years
> the normal behaviour was that “Activate” has focus again. This of course
> makes sense because if you flick through the available options, “Activate”
> also tells you that it is the default option so of course you would expect
> that whatever you do focus returns to it so after you delete a message and
> if you now want to read the next message all you have to do is double tap
> and it opens up.
>
> Now in IOS 11 Apple has decided that in the Mail app only the rotor should
> behave differently. Mind you if you go to your Inbox and flick through the
> available rotor options, when you get back to activate it still says
> “Activate, default”
>
> However, if you flick up to delete and double tap to delete a message and
> then double tap again expecting you are going to open the next message in
> focus you are sadly mistaken. Apparently the term “default” doesn’t apply
> any more and all you just did is delete the next message. Oops, it was an
> important message you wanted to keep or reply to? Well, no problem, just
> back out of your Inbox, find your delete items, find the message and move
> it back to the Inbox, then back out of deleted items and go back to your
> Inbox. Why, thank you Apple, you just made my day, I didn’t count how many
> taps and flicks, scrub gestures and swipes this takes, but it’s of course
> ridiculous.
>
> We all know how engrained keystrokes and by now taps and swipes become
> when you get used to something, it makes no sense to make “delete” the
> default action especially if it still says “Activate” is the default. I
> also wonder what’s next, what if Apple decides this should also be so in
> the Messages app? If you accidently delete a text message with important
> information like maybe the link to the boarding pass you just sent to your
> phone after checking in to a flight online then you can’t just tap, swipe
> and scrub for 30 seconds to get it back, it’s gone for good which is why
> allowing Apple to get away with this sets I think a dangerous precedent.
>
> Looking at the issue from that perspective is concerning and I think it is
> one of these times when everybody and I really mean everybody even if you
> don’t use the Mail app on the iPhone should send a message to
> accessibil...@apple.com asking that the default action which is
> “activate” is restored, it may not effect you this time, but maybe next
> time Apple changes something it will effect you and we need to speak up and
> let Apple know that we prefer a consistent, polished UI and experience over
> random and unexplained changes which make no sense to anybody. Come on
> Apple, Tim Cook and others point out at every keynote how Apple can do
> things others can’t because you have complete control over both hardware
> and software, you claim that your devices and software are superior because
> of the consistency in the UI often even when you go from iOS to Mac OS, TV
> OS and Watch OS so put your rotor actions where your mouth is and fix this
> so it is once again consistent.
>
> I am going to do something I usually don’t do because I respect the
> owner’s wish not to discuss beta software. However, in this case I will say
> that after installing the iOS 11.1 Public Beta this behaviour is still
> present. This would support the email I received from Apple Accessibility
> where after I submitted this as a bug I was told that it is in fact changed
> and expected behaviour. In iOS 11.1 Apple has added additional and
> completely unnecessary verbage, now if you flick up to the delete rotor
> option and double tap Voiceover tells you “Message Deleted”. I am amazed to
> receive such profound information, I mean I just performed the actions to
> delete a message, do I really need to 

Re: Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

I not only forwarded this, but have added my thoughts to them regarding this as 
well.

Matthew


> On Sep 29, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hello List,
>  
> There has been a fair bit of discussion on a change Apple has implemented in 
> the Mail app whenit comes to using the rotor to delete messages. In the past 
> and ever since Apple has introduced rotor actions, a marvellous invention, 
> the behaviour of the rotor has been quite consistent.
> Usually you check your Inbox, some messages you don’t even open before you 
> want to delete them, others you might read and want to delete afterwards, no 
> matter what, you would normally flick up once when ona message in the Inbox, 
> this would put focus on the “Delete” option and now you simply double tap and 
> the message is deleted.
> This is the same in the Messages app, it works if you want to delete a 
> Favourite in your Phone app, a recent call and you can use it in many other 
> places.
> After the message or whatever you are deleting has been deleted, for years 
> the normal behaviour was that “Activate” has focus again. This of course 
> makes sense because if you flick through the available options, “Activate” 
> also tells you that it is the default option so of course you would expect 
> that whatever you do focus returns to it so after you delete a message and if 
> you now want to read the next message all you have to do is double tap and it 
> opens up.
> Now in IOS 11 Apple has decided that in the Mail app only the rotor should 
> behave differently. Mind you if you go to your Inbox and flick through the 
> available rotor options, when you get back to activate it still says 
> “Activate, default”
> However, if you flick up to delete and double tap to delete a message and 
> then double tap again expecting you are going to open the next message in 
> focus you are sadly mistaken. Apparently the term “default” doesn’t apply any 
> more and all you just did is delete the next message. Oops, it was an 
> important message you wanted to keep or reply to? Well, no problem, just back 
> out of your Inbox, find your delete items, find the message and move it back 
> to the Inbox, then back out of deleted items  and go back to your Inbox. Why, 
> thank you Apple, you just made my day, I didn’t count how many taps and 
> flicks, scrub gestures and swipes this takes, but it’s of course ridiculous.
> We all know how engrained keystrokes and by now taps and swipes become when 
> you get used to something, it makes no sense to make “delete” the default 
> action especially if it still says “Activate” is the default. I also wonder 
> what’s next, what if Apple decides this should also be so in the Messages 
> app? If you accidently delete a text message with important information like 
> maybe the link to the boarding pass you just sent to your phone after 
> checking in to a flight online then you can’t just tap, swipe and scrub for 
> 30 seconds to get it back, it’s gone for good which is why allowing Apple to 
> get away with this sets I think a dangerous precedent.
> Looking at the issue from that perspective is concerning and I think it is 
> one of these times when everybody and I really mean everybody even if you 
> don’t use the Mail app on the iPhone should send a message to 
> accessibil...@apple.com  asking that the 
> default action which is “activate” is restored, it may not effect you this 
> time, but maybe next time Apple changes something it will effect you and we 
> need to speak up and let Apple know that we prefer a consistent, polished UI 
> and experience over random and unexplained changes which make no sense to 
> anybody. Come on Apple, Tim Cook and others point out at every keynote how 
> Apple can do things others can’t because you have complete control over both 
> hardware and software, you claim that your devices and software are superior 
> because of the consistency in the UI often even when you go from iOS to Mac 
> OS, TV OS and Watch OS so put your rotor actions where your mouth is and fix 
> this so it is once again consistent.
> I am going to do something I usually don’t do because I respect the owner’s 
> wish not to discuss beta software. However, in this case I will say that 
> after installing the iOS 11.1 Public Beta this behaviour is still present. 
> This would support the email I received from Apple Accessibility where after 
> I submitted this as a bug I was told that it is in fact changed and expected 
> behaviour. In iOS 11.1 Apple has added additional and completely unnecessary 
> verbage, now if you flick up to the delete rotor option and double tap 
> Voiceover tells you “Message Deleted”. I am amazed to receive such profound 
> information, I mean I just performed the actions to delete a message, do I 
> really need to hear that this is what I did?
> I guess it helps when you forget that the rotor is on delete now so when I 
> 

RE: synching gmail account with Iphone app

[M. Taylor]

Hello Susan,

I will keep my answers to your questions as brief as possible but please note 
that they are, in no way, comprehensive or definitive.  

First, generally speaking, mail clients download only the header information, 
for each message, directly onto the device.  This is assuming that you are 
using the iMap protocol.  More importantly, a web browser, such as Safari, is 
not involved.  Please remember that I said that this is generally, not always, 
how it's done.  

As to your second question, I suggest that you login to your Google account, 
via a web browser, and cleanup any unwanted messages, folders/labels, from 
there.  

You can find the information on how best to clean up old messages from the web 
but the broad strokes are as follows:

1.
Login to your gMail account.

2.
Open the archive folder/label.

3.
Move all of these messages into the Trash folder.

4.
Delete all of the messages in the trash folder.

Now, when next you open a mail client, such as iOS Mail, Outlook etc, you will 
no longer have such a staggering amount of messages being downloaded.

Susan, I suggest that you begin your endeavor by thoroughly exploring the 
settings area of your gMail account paying particular attention to the Trash 
and Archive folder settings.  For example, you can configure gMail to delete 
trashed messages, automatically, after 30 days.  You can also set the default 
action, when a message is removed, to be trashed instead of being archive.

Take your time in exploring the gMail settings for there are a lot of 
customization options available.  

Good Luck,

Mark

-Original Message-
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Susan Wojtecki
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:00 AM
To: viphone
Subject: synching gmail account with Iphone app

-- 
susan


Hi everyone,
I've been using the IPhone for nearly 3 years but only recently
decided to use the email app on my phone and have a few questions
regarding configuration. Firstly, are messages actually downloaded
when the email app opens or are they being retrieved from the cloud by
Safari or whatever? Secondly--and this is the main question--how can I
deal with the way gmail archives or stores its messages with regard to
my phone? As soon as I set up the account all the messages predictably
showed up from the gmail serverand started to multiply as they always
seem to do when I set up a new account ... the inbox on my PC now has
1036 messages in my inbox and my phone shows about 3000, same for my
Thunderbird client which I downloaded last night. Can someone tell me
the best way to clean up these old messages from my phone and/or my PC
 so they don't download or duplicate from the gmail archives or
whatever they are. I can't figure out where to go in the gmail
settings to do this and it is both embarrassing and frustrating to
admit to this problem. Can I sanely accomplish this just from my phone
or must I resort to trying to find my seldom used BT keyboard, and
would it be worthwhile for me to try to use the gmail app for this or
other related email tasks? I'm lost, can you tell? Any help much
appreciated.

Susan

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Re: iOS 11 - Programmes that are updated to 64 bit and those that aren't!

[Andy Baracco]

The 5s was the first iPhone to have the 64 bit processor.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew J. LaPointe" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 11 - Programmes that are updated to 64 bit and those that 
aren't!



   How do I know if I have 64 bit vs. 32?  I know that my computer is 64 
bit but, have no idea about my Iphone...  Andy and Shubert


-Original Message- 
From: Woody Anna Dresner

Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:16 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: iOS 11 - Programmes that are updated to 64 bit and those that 
aren't!


Hi Carol,

The reason you can still put the apps on your phone is that if they are 
updated, you'll know about it and be able to use them again. You could try 
searching the app store for apps you're unsure about. If they don't show 
up, you'll know that a 64-bit version isn't available.


HTH,
Anna




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 wrote:


After upgrading to iOS11 and my total crash that ensued an hour later,  I 
had to restore some programmes from the Store. I found one or two, I 
really wanted to use, that were in the App Store for update and, for some 
reason, weren't in my iCloud drive, despite the fact that this was up to 
date before the upgrade! I restored a couple and found they didn't work. 
The problem was that, although very recent files said something like 
"Updated N Days ago" I did not notice it on others as the upgrades were 
not so recent. I was surprised, honestly, that Apple hadn't prevented 
these from loading. One of these, my bank app, really annoyed me as that 
was the one I really wanted to use! Had I been aware of a way to check my 
important apps before upgrading, I would have held back and contacted the 
bank first ...



Anyway, now it's done, Is there an easy way, please, to check each app 
that I go for and determine whether it will/won't work without having to 
download it?


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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, sounds good, but the way I use my devices, iPhone 6s in particular, the 
bugs present I can deal with. But then again, I have a high tolerance for bugs. 
So I am one for upgrading for sure.

> On 29 Sep 2017, at 14:45, Simon Wong  wrote:
> 
> I did not update yet.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Gordon  wrote:
>> 
>> Help is on the way for everyone who's experiencing these different bugs. I 
>> know that beta discussions aren't permitted here on the list, but I can tell 
>> you that things are being addressed and I imagine this should be ready for 
>> public release soon. You all will be quite pleased. I'm mainly posting this 
>> for those who are still on IOS 10.3.3 and aren't ready to upgrade just yet.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/29/2017 8:36 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
>>> In my case, the way I use my ipad mini 4, none of the bugs effect the way I 
>>> use it.  I was lucky all of the apps I use are 64bit.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:30 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> For whatever it's worth, I have a 6S Plus and have 0 issues with battery 
>>> drain, speech going away and sluggishness. My phone is as responsive as 
>>> ever and if by the notification bug you guys mean that notifications aren't 
>>> read out aloud on the lock screen that for me is not such a big deal and 
>>> I'm sure it gets fixed in time. I find there is just as much or more to 
>>> like about iOS 11 than there is to complain about and I have already not 
>>> kept any apps which didn't get updated to 64 Bit, if you don't upgrade 
>>> because you are holding on to some old 32 bit app which hasn't been updated 
>>> in years then you are just postponing the inevitable. But I completely 
>>> agree that if you don't do well with putting up with a few bugs and 
>>> work-arounds and prefer bugs you are used to to new ones then it's better 
>>> to wait, after all, it's not like iOS 10 is bug-free.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Ann
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:04 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> Likely you are correct about these apps ever being upgraded.  I looked in 
>>> settings a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 or 5 apps now only 2 apps 
>>> not compatible with IOS11.
>>> SayColor and INote
>>> Many newer apps help with colors and I don't believe I use INote much.
>>> But I'll wait to upgrade.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Davy Cuppens
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:41 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> Hi Ann
>>> 
>>> That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are not 
>>> compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.
>>> Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
>>> Regards
>>> Davy
>>> 
>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>>> From: Ann
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on 
>>> your phone:
>>> go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap Will 
>>> let you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed 
>>> Barton
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for 
>>> sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.
>>> 
 On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
 Don't.
 
 
> On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
> cents.
> Nancy
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Executive Director of Counseling
> Old Dominion University
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
> errors.
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
>> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
>> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like
>> over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use
>> to.  Any thoughts?
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Re: How to use iCloud Drive's new sharing features - CNET

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, anyone you add to family sharing will get the same benefits as the 
existing members. That's including free membership to Apple Music if you have 
the family plan, get to share iCloud Storage with other members and will be 
able to download content purchased by existing members.

> On 29 Sep 2017, at 16:47, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I like the idea of being able to share the iCloud Storage plan. Right now 
> both my wife and I are paying for the 50 Gb which here in Canada is I think 
> $1.19 (99 Cents in the US). Of course Apple is making sure they get their 
> money's worth so they don't allow this plan to be shared although for many 
> users who just want more storage space for photos sharing 50 Gb would be 
> enough. The 200 Gb plan at $2.99 US (probably $3.50 or $3.60 here in Canada) 
> can be shared, but then if you want to at least not spend more than now you 
> need to share it with 3 people for the same price as having three individual 
> plans, if you have 4 to share with then you start saving.
> I guess I could add my Mum to the family group I have set up with my wife and 
> myself, I assume that would also give all of us access to any apps we have 
> purchased separately before and that my Mum would then also have access to 
> the Apple Music family subscription we have. Does anybody know if sharing an 
> iCloud storage plan only applies to that or if anybody you add then has 
> access to the full family sharing including apps, iTunes purchases, Apple 
> Music and storage?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How to use iCloud Drive's new sharing features - CNET
> 
> CNET How To - Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 12:46 AM How to use iCloud 
> Drive's new sharing features - CNET With MacOS High Sierra and iOS 11, iCloud 
> Drive is finally catching up with Dropbox and Google Drive in terms of 
> sharing ability. You will need to convince your collaborators to start using 
> iCloud Drive, however, if you want to share files on Apple's cloud service, a 
> dubious proposition given the head start that both Dropbox and Google Drive 
> enjoy. 
> Still, if you've got friends and family all using Macs and iPhones, there's 
> lots to like about the new and improved iCloud Drive. Plus, you can now share 
> an iCloud account with your family for more than just app and iTunes 
> purchases.
> What's the new iCloud Drive sharing feature?
> With MacOS High Sierra, you'll see a new sharing option called Add People 
> that lets you send a link to your file instead of attaching it to an email or 
> text message. This way, your file stays put and allows for real-time 
> collaboration instead of emailing or texting versions back and forth.
> How does it work?
> On a Mac, open Finder, choose iCloud Drive or a folder you are syncing to 
> iCloud such as Desktop or Documents, select a file and click the share button 
> at the top of the window. Or just right-click a file and then click Share. 
> Either way, you will see the new Add People option in the share menu.
> The Add People menu provides the usual sharing suspects -- Mail, Messages, 
> Twitter, Facebook, AirDrop -- but when you select one, it will send a link to 
> your file instead of an attachment. 
> There's also a Copy Link button on the Add People menu. It lets you copy the 
> link to a file to your clipboard to paste at your leisure.
> Screenshot by Matt Elliott/CNET
> Does it work with folders, too?
> Sadly, no. You can only share files. Actually, that should read file and not 
> files; you can share only one file at a time with the new Add People sharing 
> function.
> What about permissions?
> Yep, got 'em. For files you share, you can set permissions on who can access 
> the file (only those you invite or anyone that it might get forwarded to) and 
> what they can do with it (make changes or view only).
> Can I unshare a file?
> But of course! You can see which files have been shared because it'll say in 
> gray letters under or next to the file name (depending on your view) Shared 
> by Me or the name of the person who shared the file with you. To revoke 
> access to a shared file, select it, open the share menu and you'll see that 
> the Add People menu item now says Show People. Choose a person from the list, 
> click the triple-dot button on the right and then select Remove Access. You 
> can also change a file's permissions here, too.
> Does this new sharing work on iOS devices, too?
> It sure does. You'll see the same Add People option when you go to share a 
> file from the new Files app in iOS 11.
> Screenshot by Matt Elliott/CNET
> What's this about sharing an iCloud plan with my family?
> iCloud Family Sharing was introduced with iOS 8, but it let you share only 
> purchases from the App Store, iTunes and iBooks along with syncing 

Texting problems on Apple Watch 3? Here's what's going on - CNET

[M. Taylor]

CNET How To - Friday, September 29, 2017 at 3:45 AM
Texting problems on Apple Watch 3? Here's what's going on - CNET
 
If your texts are green (SMS) and they're not sending, there's a reason why.
Scott Stein/CNET 
The big new feature on the Apple Watch Series 3 is its ability to live on a
cellular LTE network, free from both Wi-Fi networks and the need to be
paired to an iPhone. I've been living with the Watch for about two weeks
(read my Apple Watch Series 3 review here), and I haven't experienced the
sort of wireless problems that some other reviewers have. 
But I have experienced some quirks, particularly with text messages, and
investigating them revealed some limitations in how the Apple Watch handles
its wireless interactions.
If you didn't know the various Apple Watch connection cans and can'ts, you
might drive yourself crazy wondering why one thing works and another thing
doesn't. Apple outlines how the Series 3 with LTE works on a support page
that goes through a pretty specific rundown. (CNET's Brian Tong and I
cross-tested on various watches and phones.)
TL;DR: The Apple Watch really, really wants your phone to be powered on
somewhere, connected to Wi-Fi or LTE. That location doesn't have to be
anywhere near the Watch, however. Your iPhone can be sitting on your
nightstand at home, and you could be 50 miles away -- though, obviously,
someplace that still has cellular coverage.
Here's how your texting experience will differ, depending on the status of
your iPhone.
 
Blue messages (iMessage) work all the time over LTE.
Scott Stein/CNET 
If you're using the Apple Watch totally on its own using LTE, and your
iPhone is off or in airplane mode:
.   Phone calls: YES.
.   iMessages: YES.
.   SMS text messages: NO. That's right, SMS won't work. At all. Say
goodbye to your green bubble Android friends.
.   Apple's own first-party app notifications: YES.
.   Third-party app notifications: NO. That means your Instagram,
Twitter, Facebook and any other notifications won't pop up. Apple has not
said this will change in the future.
.   Some apps won't load. Others will. It depends on which ones use LTE.
(Apple's Maps, Mail, Messages, Weather and more all work fine.)
.   All offline apps, of course, work fine: Apple Pay, downloaded music,
fitness/workouts, any locally downloaded Apple Watch games.
If you're using the Apple Watch on Wi-Fi and your iPhone is off or in
airplane mode:
Same as above. EXCEPT:
.   To make phone calls: Make sure Wi-Fi calling is enabled on your
iCloud gadgets via your carrier.
.   Known Wi-Fi networks can create problems: Wi-Fi networks that need
pop-up logins create interference and block your watch from doing anything.
As first reported by other outlets (The Verge, WSJ) and later confirmed by
Apple to CNET, the Apple Watch will not connect to anything in some
instances on public networks that have more advanced logins. I haven't
experienced this, but the acknowledged bug will be addressed in a future
firmware update. Until Apple's promised update, the workaround is to
"forget" the problematic Wi-Fi network on your iPhone's Wi-Fi settings
screen. You can't turn Wi-Fi off on the Apple Watch, crazily enough.
If you're using the Apple Watch and your iPhone is on somewhere far away,
connected via Wi-Fi or LTE:
Everything should feel similar to how the Apple Watch already worked before
over Wi-Fi when your phone isn't directly paired via Bluetooth. Much like
Google's Android Wear watches, the Apple Watch works remotely. 
.   Phone calls: YES.
.   iMessages: YES.
.   SMS text messages: YES. The iPhone helps complete the text message
bridging, wherever it is.
.   App notifications: YES. Apple needs your iPhone to send those
third-party notifications up to the cloud using it as a bridge, when
connected.
.   Actual apps: Depends on whether they're set to work away from your
iPhone or not. Some didn't load, such as Slack.
If your iPhone is connected via Bluetooth:
Business as usual.
iPhone X: Everything you need to know.
Apple Watch Series 3 review: A dash of iPod and a bit of iPhone for your
wrist.

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Re: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, I can run watchOS 4 on my original Apple Watch, but it is showing its 
age, so am looking into upgrading to at least the series 3 in the future.

> On 29 Sep 2017, at 18:08, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
> 
> Yes it is. I believe it’s about $70 cheaper than the LTE model.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 6:23 PM
> To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
> Subject: RE: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?
>  
> Thanks for this. Is the GPS model the least expensive? I don’t want the LTE, 
> I know that for sure. Keith
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rick Alfaro
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?
>  
> Hi. I upgraded from an original series watch to a series 3. My original watch 
> seemed to get slower and clunkier with each OS upgrade. When I put OS 4 on 
> it, it was really unbearable at least in my opinion.
>  
> My new series 3 GPS model now is like night and day. Everything is nice and 
> snappy and very responsive. My original watch was so sluggish with OS 4 that 
> I actually stopped using it until I received my series 3.
>  
> If you can swing it, go for it because the difference is huge. I think that 
> if I had had a series 2, I probably would not have upgraded but the original 
> is now sorely underpowered.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I have a first generation AppleWatch, and haven’t yet decided whether to 
> upgrade to a Series 3. I’m still with Watch OS 3. Has anyone updated a First 
> generation AppleWatch to Watch OS 4? If so, I’d appreciate learning of your 
> experience with this combo.
>  
> Thanks in advance, Keith
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Please join me in asking Apple to make rotor options consistent again and to fix the delete rotor bug which they say is not a bug

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello List,

There has been a fair bit of discussion on a change Apple has implemented in 
the Mail app whenit comes to using the rotor to delete messages. In the past 
and ever since Apple has introduced rotor actions, a marvellous invention, the 
behaviour of the rotor has been quite consistent.
Usually you check your Inbox, some messages you don't even open before you want 
to delete them, others you might read and want to delete afterwards, no matter 
what, you would normally flick up once when ona message in the Inbox, this 
would put focus on the "Delete" option and now you simply double tap and the 
message is deleted.
This is the same in the Messages app, it works if you want to delete a 
Favourite in your Phone app, a recent call and you can use it in many other 
places.
After the message or whatever you are deleting has been deleted, for years the 
normal behaviour was that "Activate" has focus again. This of course makes 
sense because if you flick through the available options, "Activate" also tells 
you that it is the default option so of course you would expect that whatever 
you do focus returns to it so after you delete a message and if you now want to 
read the next message all you have to do is double tap and it opens up.
Now in IOS 11 Apple has decided that in the Mail app only the rotor should 
behave differently. Mind you if you go to your Inbox and flick through the 
available rotor options, when you get back to activate it still says "Activate, 
default"
However, if you flick up to delete and double tap to delete a message and then 
double tap again expecting you are going to open the next message in focus you 
are sadly mistaken. Apparently the term "default" doesn't apply any more and 
all you just did is delete the next message. Oops, it was an important message 
you wanted to keep or reply to? Well, no problem, just back out of your Inbox, 
find your delete items, find the message and move it back to the Inbox, then 
back out of deleted items and go back to your Inbox. Why, thank you Apple, you 
just made my day, I didn't count how many taps and flicks, scrub gestures and 
swipes this takes, but it's of course ridiculous.
We all know how engrained keystrokes and by now taps and swipes become when you 
get used to something, it makes no sense to make "delete" the default action 
especially if it still says "Activate" is the default. I also wonder what's 
next, what if Apple decides this should also be so in the Messages app? If you 
accidently delete a text message with important information like maybe the link 
to the boarding pass you just sent to your phone after checking in to a flight 
online then you can't just tap, swipe and scrub for 30 seconds to get it back, 
it's gone for good which is why allowing Apple to get away with this sets I 
think a dangerous precedent.
Looking at the issue from that perspective is concerning and I think it is one 
of these times when everybody and I really mean everybody even if you don't use 
the Mail app on the iPhone should send a message to 
accessibil...@apple.com asking that the default 
action which is "activate" is restored, it may not effect you this time, but 
maybe next time Apple changes something it will effect you and we need to speak 
up and let Apple know that we prefer a consistent, polished UI and experience 
over random and unexplained changes which make no sense to anybody. Come on 
Apple, Tim Cook and others point out at every keynote how Apple can do things 
others can't because you have complete control over both hardware and software, 
you claim that your devices and software are superior because of the 
consistency in the UI often even when you go from iOS to Mac OS, TV OS and 
Watch OS so put your rotor actions where your mouth is and fix this so it is 
once again consistent.
I am going to do something I usually don't do because I respect the owner's 
wish not to discuss beta software. However, in this case I will say that after 
installing the iOS 11.1 Public Beta this behaviour is still present. This would 
support the email I received from Apple Accessibility where after I submitted 
this as a bug I was told that it is in fact changed and expected behaviour. In 
iOS 11.1 Apple has added additional and completely unnecessary verbage, now if 
you flick up to the delete rotor option and double tap Voiceover tells you 
"Message Deleted". I am amazed to receive such profound information, I mean I 
just performed the actions to delete a message, do I really need to hear that 
this is what I did?
I guess it helps when you forget that the rotor is on delete now so when I 
double tap to open my next message maybe Apple should add an evil laughing 
sound after it says "Message deleted" or maybe the second time it should say 
"You idiot, you just deleted another message, don't you remember that the 
default rotor action is not actually the default anymore"?
In iOS 11.1 you can now also wait 

RE: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

[Rick Alfaro]

Yes it is. I believe it’s about $70 cheaper than the LTE model.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 6:23 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: RE: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

 

Thanks for this. Is the GPS model the least expensive? I don’t want the LTE, I 
know that for sure. Keith

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

 

Hi. I upgraded from an original series watch to a series 3. My original watch 
seemed to get slower and clunkier with each OS upgrade. When I put OS 4 on it, 
it was really unbearable at least in my opinion.

 

My new series 3 GPS model now is like night and day. Everything is nice and 
snappy and very responsive. My original watch was so sluggish with OS 4 that I 
actually stopped using it until I received my series 3.

 

If you can swing it, go for it because the difference is huge. I think that if 
I had had a series 2, I probably would not have upgraded but the original is 
now sorely underpowered.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Is anyone using Watch OS 4 with a first generation Qpplewatch?

 

Hi,

 

I have a first generation AppleWatch, and haven’t yet decided whether to 
upgrade to a Series 3. I’m still with Watch OS 3. Has anyone updated a First 
generation AppleWatch to Watch OS 4? If so, I’d appreciate learning of your 
experience with this combo.

 

Thanks in advance, Keith

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synching gmail account with Iphone app

[Susan Wojtecki]

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susan


Hi everyone,
I've been using the IPhone for nearly 3 years but only recently
decided to use the email app on my phone and have a few questions
regarding configuration. Firstly, are messages actually downloaded
when the email app opens or are they being retrieved from the cloud by
Safari or whatever? Secondly--and this is the main question--how can I
deal with the way gmail archives or stores its messages with regard to
my phone? As soon as I set up the account all the messages predictably
showed up from the gmail serverand started to multiply as they always
seem to do when I set up a new account ... the inbox on my PC now has
1036 messages in my inbox and my phone shows about 3000, same for my
Thunderbird client which I downloaded last night. Can someone tell me
the best way to clean up these old messages from my phone and/or my PC
 so they don't download or duplicate from the gmail archives or
whatever they are. I can't figure out where to go in the gmail
settings to do this and it is both embarrassing and frustrating to
admit to this problem. Can I sanely accomplish this just from my phone
or must I resort to trying to find my seldom used BT keyboard, and
would it be worthwhile for me to try to use the gmail app for this or
other related email tasks? I'm lost, can you tell? Any help much
appreciated.

Susan

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RE: Bye-bye Twitter app for Apple Watch - CNET

[Cristóbal]

I on one hand can appreciate the effort to make information available, but on 
the other hand, with so many articles coming in and not just about iPhones, but 
also Macs that aren't the focus of this list, it can start to feel a bit spammy 
and cluttered too.

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Subject: Bye-bye Twitter app for Apple Watch - CNET

CNET News - Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 12:45 PM Bye-bye Twitter app for 
Apple Watch - CNET
 
Apple unveiled its Series 3 Apple Watch last month. 
Claudia Cruz/CNET
What happened to the Twitter app for Apple Watch? 
That's just what people who updated their iPhone version of the Twitter app are 
asking, after discovering Twitter's companion app for the Apple Watch has 
vanished from the App Store. 
Apple Watch users turned to the app to look at recent tweets, check out top 
trends and send tweets using the Watch's voice-to-text feature. Now it's gone.
So what gives? 
When asked for a comment, Twitter said: "We heard from people that 
notifications were the most helpful part of the Apple Watch Twitter experience. 
With this, we are focusing on supporting more robust, media-rich notifications. 
We are committed to providing the very best Twitter experience on iPhone, iPad, 
Apple TV and Apple Watch, and we'll continue to iterate and improve our apps 
across all platforms."
Not exactly the most helpful response, we know. 
We do know that Twitter hasn't updated its Apple Watch App for a while. And we 
know that Apple Watch owners can still get Twitter notifications thanks to the 
fact that Apple's watchOS mirrors iPhone notifications. 
So while we can't say if Twitter will replace the app anytime soon -- if at all 
-- we can say it might not be anything you need, anyway. 

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Caution Regarding MiniKeepass version 1.7 just released

[Alan Lemly]

Hello List,

 

I don't think many on this list use MiniKeepass to track their passwords but
I wanted to caution those who do about a change with its latest version 1.7.
Older versions contained a search box at the top after logging into your
password database file that allowed filtering of your passwords based on a
search keyword. This search box is no longer there in version 1.7. I have
hundreds of entries in my password database so this omission makes the app
almost unusable to me.

 

Fortunately, I'm still running iOS 10.3.3 and iTunes 12.6.x so I was able to
uninstall MiniKeepass from my iPhone 7 and use iTunes to install my backed
up older version 1.6.3. As you know, this option is no longer available for
those who upgraded to iTunes 12.7 as required by iOS 11.

 

I personally will proceed cautiously with future app upgrades especially for
those that are doing what I need in their current iteration. I strongly
recommend that others do the same since going back is no longer possible in
iOS 11.

 

Alan Lemly

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Possible bug in the VoiceOver test selection Rotor action.

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Hello,

I have experienced some strange behaviour and as I have not seen it mentioned 
on this list I thought I would post here to see if others are experiencing the 
same issue.

If you select some text using the option found in the VoiceOver Rotor and 
select copy.  The text is now on the clipboard.

Now repeat the procedure choosing some new text.  Once copy is selected the 
first block of text is read out rather than the second selection.

Can anyone confirm this please?

Malcolm

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RE: iOS 11 - Programmes that are updated to 64 bit and those that aren't!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And if you are wondering whether your phone has a 64 bit processor or not then 
it's simple:
if you have an iPhone 5S or anything newer like an iPhone SE, a 6, 6S, 7 or 8 
(that includes all the Plus versions) then your phone is 64 bit.
Only the 5/5C and earlier phones are 32 bit.

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Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 9:02 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: iOS 11 - Programmes that are updated to 64 bit and those that 
aren't!

Hi Andy,

32-bit apps won't run in iOS 11. In iOS 10, they run, but you get a warning 
that they may slow down your phone and won't work in iOS 11. You can also find 
out which 32-bit apps are on your phone by going to Settings/General/About and 
double-tapping the Apps button that tells you how many apps are on your phone.

Best,
Anna




> On Sep 29, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
> wrote:
> 
>   How do I know if I have 64 bit vs. 32?  I know that my computer is 64 bit 
> but, have no idea about my Iphone...  Andy and Shubert
> 
> -Original Message- From: Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:16 AM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> Subject: Re: iOS 11 - Programmes that are updated to 64 bit and those that 
> aren't!
> 
> Hi Carol,
> 
> The reason you can still put the apps on your phone is that if they are 
> updated, you'll know about it and be able to use them again. You could try 
> searching the app store for apps you're unsure about. If they don't show up, 
> you'll know that a 64-bit version isn't available.
> 
> HTH,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 2:33 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> After upgrading to iOS11 and my total crash that ensued an hour later,  I 
>> had to restore some programmes from the Store. I found one or two, I really 
>> wanted to use, that were in the App Store for update and, for some reason, 
>> weren't in my iCloud drive, despite the fact that this was up to date before 
>> the upgrade! I restored a couple and found they didn't work. The problem was 
>> that, although very recent files said something like "Updated N Days ago" I 
>> did not notice it on others as the upgrades were not so recent. I was 
>> surprised, honestly, that Apple hadn't prevented these from loading. One of 
>> these, my bank app, really annoyed me as that was the one I really wanted to 
>> use! Had I been aware of a way to check my important apps before upgrading, 
>> I would have held back and contacted the bank first ...
>> 
>> 
>> Anyway, now it's done, Is there an easy way, please, to check each app that 
>> I go for and determine whether it will/won't work without having to download 
>> it?
>> 
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RE: appStore, IOS 11, and reviewing an app

[Chip Orange]

Thanks ... when I was in the screen for an app when I tried this last, I simply 
could not find any button labeled "write a review", which is what I was looking 
for.  I will try again.

Chip


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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 7:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: appStore, IOS 11, and reviewing an app

I really like the new app store, just would like the app version and size to be 
announced again by Voiceover. I did write Apple Accessibility about that and 
got the typical answer that they will pass it on.
As for reviews, I just went into Updates and tapped on Skype which had an 
update a few days ago.
Towards the bottom (easier if you start from the bottom, touch the Today tab 
and then swipe left a few times) there is a "Write a Review" button. It is 
clearly labelled and when I tapped it I was presented with a screen where I 
could select how many stars I was going to give (it's one of those controls 
like in some apps for date where you simply swipe up and I tgoes to 1 Star, 2 
Stars, 3 Stars etc.
Then there was an edit field for "Title" where you can give your review a brief 
caption, then there is another edit field for writing your review.
Both fields presented no problems, a double tap put editing focus there, I then 
did a 2-finger double tap and dictated both a title and a review and at the top 
right is the "Send" button.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Ioana Gandrabur
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: appStore, IOS 11, and reviewing an app

Hi there,

I found a place after the review statistics of an app where it says “tap to 
rate”. Here you can get chance to adjust star level etc.

Have not tried to actually review. 

HTH,

Ioana 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone tried to write a review of an app on the AppStore which 
> comes with IOS 11?
> 
> 
> 
> I tried just now and simply could not find the option to do so.  How 
> disappointing, but looks like Apple has reorganized the AppStore in 
> some way where accessibility took a back seat.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for any how to tips on being able to do this.
> 
> 
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
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RE: iOS 11.0.1

[Chip Orange]

All I can suggest is to check out carefully which apps may be using your 
location information.

I am not noticing this with my 6s plus, but it's possible more apps than before 
come up using your location services.

Chip


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Danney Yates
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 6:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 11.0.1

Yes, have had a drain on Battery as well.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Did you do a reboot or reset network settings after the update? 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:15 AM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: iOS 11.0.1
> 
> Anyone who has an iPhone 6 notice that their device gets warm ? That their 
> battery drains faster than previous iOS? I updated to the latest version of 
> IOS 11. 
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Re: iOS 11 - Programmes that are updated to 64 bit and those that aren't!

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Andy,

32-bit apps won't run in iOS 11. In iOS 10, they run, but you get a warning 
that they may slow down your phone and won't work in iOS 11. You can also find 
out which 32-bit apps are on your phone by going to Settings/General/About and 
double-tapping the Apps button that tells you how many apps are on your phone.

Best,
Anna




> On Sep 29, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
> wrote:
> 
>   How do I know if I have 64 bit vs. 32?  I know that my computer is 64 bit 
> but, have no idea about my Iphone...  Andy and Shubert
> 
> -Original Message- From: Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:16 AM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> Subject: Re: iOS 11 - Programmes that are updated to 64 bit and those that 
> aren't!
> 
> Hi Carol,
> 
> The reason you can still put the apps on your phone is that if they are 
> updated, you'll know about it and be able to use them again. You could try 
> searching the app store for apps you're unsure about. If they don't show up, 
> you'll know that a 64-bit version isn't available.
> 
> HTH,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 2:33 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> After upgrading to iOS11 and my total crash that ensued an hour later,  I 
>> had to restore some programmes from the Store. I found one or two, I really 
>> wanted to use, that were in the App Store for update and, for some reason, 
>> weren't in my iCloud drive, despite the fact that this was up to date before 
>> the upgrade! I restored a couple and found they didn't work. The problem was 
>> that, although very recent files said something like "Updated N Days ago" I 
>> did not notice it on others as the upgrades were not so recent. I was 
>> surprised, honestly, that Apple hadn't prevented these from loading. One of 
>> these, my bank app, really annoyed me as that was the one I really wanted to 
>> use! Had I been aware of a way to check my important apps before upgrading, 
>> I would have held back and contacted the bank first ...
>> 
>> 
>> Anyway, now it's done, Is there an easy way, please, to check each app that 
>> I go for and determine whether it will/won't work without having to download 
>> it?
>> 
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RE: How to use iCloud Drive's new sharing features - CNET

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I like the idea of being able to share the iCloud Storage plan. Right now both 
my wife and I are paying for the 50 Gb which here in Canada is I think $1.19 
(99 Cents in the US). Of course Apple is making sure they get their money's 
worth so they don't allow this plan to be shared although for many users who 
just want more storage space for photos sharing 50 Gb would be enough. The 200 
Gb plan at $2.99 US (probably $3.50 or $3.60 here in Canada) can be shared, but 
then if you want to at least not spend more than now you need to share it with 
3 people for the same price as having three individual plans, if you have 4 to 
share with then you start saving.
I guess I could add my Mum to the family group I have set up with my wife and 
myself, I assume that would also give all of us access to any apps we have 
purchased separately before and that my Mum would then also have access to the 
Apple Music family subscription we have. Does anybody know if sharing an iCloud 
storage plan only applies to that or if anybody you add then has access to the 
full family sharing including apps, iTunes purchases, Apple Music and storage?

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Subject: How to use iCloud Drive's new sharing features - CNET

CNET How To - Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 12:46 AM How to use iCloud 
Drive's new sharing features - CNET With MacOS High Sierra and iOS 11, iCloud 
Drive is finally catching up with Dropbox and Google Drive in terms of sharing 
ability. You will need to convince your collaborators to start using iCloud 
Drive, however, if you want to share files on Apple's cloud service, a dubious 
proposition given the head start that both Dropbox and Google Drive enjoy. 
Still, if you've got friends and family all using Macs and iPhones, there's 
lots to like about the new and improved iCloud Drive. Plus, you can now share 
an iCloud account with your family for more than just app and iTunes purchases.
What's the new iCloud Drive sharing feature?
With MacOS High Sierra, you'll see a new sharing option called Add People that 
lets you send a link to your file instead of attaching it to an email or text 
message. This way, your file stays put and allows for real-time collaboration 
instead of emailing or texting versions back and forth.
How does it work?
On a Mac, open Finder, choose iCloud Drive or a folder you are syncing to 
iCloud such as Desktop or Documents, select a file and click the share button 
at the top of the window. Or just right-click a file and then click Share. 
Either way, you will see the new Add People option in the share menu.
The Add People menu provides the usual sharing suspects -- Mail, Messages, 
Twitter, Facebook, AirDrop -- but when you select one, it will send a link to 
your file instead of an attachment. 
There's also a Copy Link button on the Add People menu. It lets you copy the 
link to a file to your clipboard to paste at your leisure.
 Screenshot by Matt Elliott/CNET
Does it work with folders, too?
Sadly, no. You can only share files. Actually, that should read file and not 
files; you can share only one file at a time with the new Add People sharing 
function.
What about permissions?
Yep, got 'em. For files you share, you can set permissions on who can access 
the file (only those you invite or anyone that it might get forwarded to) and 
what they can do with it (make changes or view only).
Can I unshare a file?
But of course! You can see which files have been shared because it'll say in 
gray letters under or next to the file name (depending on your view) Shared by 
Me or the name of the person who shared the file with you. To revoke access to 
a shared file, select it, open the share menu and you'll see that the Add 
People menu item now says Show People. Choose a person from the list, click the 
triple-dot button on the right and then select Remove Access. You can also 
change a file's permissions here, too.
Does this new sharing work on iOS devices, too?
It sure does. You'll see the same Add People option when you go to share a file 
from the new Files app in iOS 11.
 Screenshot by Matt Elliott/CNET
What's this about sharing an iCloud plan with my family?
iCloud Family Sharing was introduced with iOS 8, but it let you share only 
purchases from the App Store, iTunes and iBooks along with syncing calendars 
and reminders. Now, iCloud Drive gets in on the Family Sharing action and lets 
you share cloud space for files, photos, backups and more.
You can spring for a single iCloud storage plan to be shared with up to six 
family members instead of paying for individual plans. Only the two largest 
iCloud plans are shareable, the 200GB plan for $2.99 (£2.49 or AU$4.49) a month 
or the 2TB plan for $9.99 (£6.99 or AU$14.99) a month. To set up family sharing 
on a Mac, go to System Preferences > iCloud and click 

Re: iOS 11 - Programmes that are updated to 64 bit and those that aren't!

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

   How do I know if I have 64 bit vs. 32?  I know that my computer is 64 
bit but, have no idea about my Iphone...  Andy and Shubert


-Original Message- 
From: Woody Anna Dresner

Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:16 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: iOS 11 - Programmes that are updated to 64 bit and those that 
aren't!


Hi Carol,

The reason you can still put the apps on your phone is that if they are 
updated, you'll know about it and be able to use them again. You could try 
searching the app store for apps you're unsure about. If they don't show up, 
you'll know that a 64-bit version isn't available.


HTH,
Anna




On Sep 29, 2017, at 2:33 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


After upgrading to iOS11 and my total crash that ensued an hour later,  I 
had to restore some programmes from the Store. I found one or two, I 
really wanted to use, that were in the App Store for update and, for some 
reason, weren't in my iCloud drive, despite the fact that this was up to 
date before the upgrade! I restored a couple and found they didn't work. 
The problem was that, although very recent files said something like 
"Updated N Days ago" I did not notice it on others as the upgrades were 
not so recent. I was surprised, honestly, that Apple hadn't prevented 
these from loading. One of these, my bank app, really annoyed me as that 
was the one I really wanted to use! Had I been aware of a way to check my 
important apps before upgrading, I would have held back and contacted the 
bank first ...



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that I go for and determine whether it will/won't work without having to 
download it?


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Re: iOS 11 - Programmes that are updated to 64 bit and those that aren't!

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Carol,

The reason you can still put the apps on your phone is that if they are 
updated, you'll know about it and be able to use them again. You could try 
searching the app store for apps you're unsure about. If they don't show up, 
you'll know that a 64-bit version isn't available.

HTH,
Anna




> On Sep 29, 2017, at 2:33 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> After upgrading to iOS11 and my total crash that ensued an hour later,  I had 
> to restore some programmes from the Store. I found one or two, I really 
> wanted to use, that were in the App Store for update and, for some reason, 
> weren't in my iCloud drive, despite the fact that this was up to date before 
> the upgrade! I restored a couple and found they didn't work. The problem was 
> that, although very recent files said something like "Updated N Days ago" I 
> did not notice it on others as the upgrades were not so recent. I was 
> surprised, honestly, that Apple hadn't prevented these from loading. One of 
> these, my bank app, really annoyed me as that was the one I really wanted to 
> use! Had I been aware of a way to check my important apps before upgrading, I 
> would have held back and contacted the bank first ...
> 
> 
> Anyway, now it's done, Is there an easy way, please, to check each app that I 
> go for and determine whether it will/won't work without having to download it?
> 
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Re: question on ICloud backups & ICloud Drive

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Vicki,

The files you can see in iCloud Drive are things like documents you have saved 
in Pages and Voice Dream Writer. There's no way to see iCloud backups or access 
the data in those backups. If you go to Settings, choose iCloud, and then 
choose Manage Storage, you can see which devices and apps' data are being 
backed up, though.

Best,
Anna




> On Sep 29, 2017, at 1:12 AM, Vicki W.  wrote:
> 
> I am using IOS 10.3.3 on my mini IPad II.
>  
> I have ICloud drive turned on. Shouldn't I be able to access it on the IPad 
> to see my files and backups, and if so, how?
>  
> Do I need to activate it in ITunes on the PC and will an icon show up on my 
> desktop and on my home screen on the IPAD?
>  
> Right now I can only access one backup in ICloud on the mini IPad to delete.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Vicki
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Simon Wong]

I did not update yet.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Gordon  wrote:
> 
> Help is on the way for everyone who's experiencing these different bugs. I 
> know that beta discussions aren't permitted here on the list, but I can tell 
> you that things are being addressed and I imagine this should be ready for 
> public release soon. You all will be quite pleased. I'm mainly posting this 
> for those who are still on IOS 10.3.3 and aren't ready to upgrade just yet.
> 
> 
>> On 9/29/2017 8:36 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
>> In my case, the way I use my ipad mini 4, none of the bugs effect the way I 
>> use it.  I was lucky all of the apps I use are 64bit.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:30 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> For whatever it's worth, I have a 6S Plus and have 0 issues with battery 
>> drain, speech going away and sluggishness. My phone is as responsive as ever 
>> and if by the notification bug you guys mean that notifications aren't read 
>> out aloud on the lock screen that for me is not such a big deal and I'm sure 
>> it gets fixed in time. I find there is just as much or more to like about 
>> iOS 11 than there is to complain about and I have already not kept any apps 
>> which didn't get updated to 64 Bit, if you don't upgrade because you are 
>> holding on to some old 32 bit app which hasn't been updated in years then 
>> you are just postponing the inevitable. But I completely agree that if you 
>> don't do well with putting up with a few bugs and work-arounds and prefer 
>> bugs you are used to to new ones then it's better to wait, after all, it's 
>> not like iOS 10 is bug-free.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Ann
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> Likely you are correct about these apps ever being upgraded.  I looked in 
>> settings a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 or 5 apps now only 2 apps 
>> not compatible with IOS11.
>> SayColor and INote
>> Many newer apps help with colors and I don't believe I use INote much.
>> But I'll wait to upgrade.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Davy Cuppens
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:41 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> Hi Ann
>> 
>> That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are not 
>> compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.
>> Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
>> Regards
>> Davy
>> 
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> From: Ann
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on 
>> your phone:
>> go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap Will let 
>> you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed 
>> Barton
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for 
>> sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.
>> 
>>> On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
>>> Don't.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
 I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
 cents.
 Nancy
 
 Nancy Badger, Ph.D
 Executive Director of Counseling
 Old Dominion University
 Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
 errors.
 
> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like
> over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use
> to.  Any thoughts?
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Gordon]

Help is on the way for everyone who's experiencing these different bugs. 
I know that beta discussions aren't permitted here on the list, but I 
can tell you that things are being addressed and I imagine this should 
be ready for public release soon. You all will be quite pleased. I'm 
mainly posting this for those who are still on IOS 10.3.3 and aren't 
ready to upgrade just yet.



On 9/29/2017 8:36 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
In my case, the way I use my ipad mini 4, none of the bugs effect the 
way I use it.  I was lucky all of the apps I use are 64bit.


-Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

For whatever it's worth, I have a 6S Plus and have 0 issues with 
battery drain, speech going away and sluggishness. My phone is as 
responsive as ever and if by the notification bug you guys mean that 
notifications aren't read out aloud on the lock screen that for me is 
not such a big deal and I'm sure it gets fixed in time. I find there 
is just as much or more to like about iOS 11 than there is to complain 
about and I have already not kept any apps which didn't get updated to 
64 Bit, if you don't upgrade because you are holding on to some old 32 
bit app which hasn't been updated in years then you are just 
postponing the inevitable. But I completely agree that if you don't do 
well with putting up with a few bugs and work-arounds and prefer bugs 
you are used to to new ones then it's better to wait, after all, it's 
not like iOS 10 is bug-free.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Ann

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

Likely you are correct about these apps ever being upgraded.  I looked 
in settings a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 or 5 apps now only 
2 apps not compatible with IOS11.

SayColor and INote
Many newer apps help with colors and I don't believe I use INote much.
But I'll wait to upgrade.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Davy Cuppens

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Hi Ann

That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are 
not compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.

Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Ann
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps 
on your phone:
go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap 
Will let you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.


-Original Message-
From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
Jed Barton

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait 
for sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.


On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson  wrote:

Don't.


On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:

I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
cents.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
errors.


On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like
over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use
to.  Any thoughts?

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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Russ Kiehne]

In my case, the way I use my ipad mini 4, none of the bugs effect the way I 
use it.  I was lucky all of the apps I use are 64bit.


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

For whatever it's worth, I have a 6S Plus and have 0 issues with battery 
drain, speech going away and sluggishness. My phone is as responsive as ever 
and if by the notification bug you guys mean that notifications aren't read 
out aloud on the lock screen that for me is not such a big deal and I'm sure 
it gets fixed in time. I find there is just as much or more to like about 
iOS 11 than there is to complain about and I have already not kept any apps 
which didn't get updated to 64 Bit, if you don't upgrade because you are 
holding on to some old 32 bit app which hasn't been updated in years then 
you are just postponing the inevitable. But I completely agree that if you 
don't do well with putting up with a few bugs and work-arounds and prefer 
bugs you are used to to new ones then it's better to wait, after all, it's 
not like iOS 10 is bug-free.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Ann

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

Likely you are correct about these apps ever being upgraded.  I looked in 
settings a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 or 5 apps now only 2 apps 
not compatible with IOS11.

SayColor and INote
Many newer apps help with colors and I don't believe I use INote much.
But I'll wait to upgrade.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Davy Cuppens

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Hi Ann

That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are not 
compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.

Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Ann
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on 
your phone:
go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap Will let 
you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.


-Original Message-
From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed 
Barton

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for 
sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.


On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson  wrote:

Don't.


On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:

I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
cents.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
errors.


On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like
over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use
to.  Any thoughts?

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iOS 11 - Programmes that are updated to 64 bit and those that aren't!

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

After upgrading to iOS11 and my total crash that ensued an hour later,  
I had to restore some programmes from the Store. I found one or two, I 
really wanted to use, that were in the App Store for update and, for 
some reason, weren't in my iCloud drive, despite the fact that this was 
up to date before the upgrade! I restored a couple and found they didn't 
work. The problem was that, although very recent files said something 
like "Updated N Days ago" I did not notice it on others as the upgrades 
were not so recent. I was surprised, honestly, that Apple hadn't 
prevented these from loading. One of these, my bank app, really annoyed 
me as that was the one I really wanted to use! Had I been aware of a way 
to check my important apps before upgrading, I would have held back and 
contacted the bank first ...



Anyway, now it's done, Is there an easy way, please, to check each app 
that I go for and determine whether it will/won't work without having to 
download it?


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Re: Put a shutdown timer on your Windows desktop with this command - CNET

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

A timer is Ok, but you can still run apps out of batch files, and put the 
shutdown link in the end of that. I have a bat file on the 
desk top I can click and it'll shut the machine down for me.

All you have to be sure of, is the processing app exits at the end.  We didn't 
have to ask this when we did programming from a 
command line in the first place.

R.
- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 7:53 AM
Subject: Put a shutdown timer on your Windows desktop with this command - CNET


Postpone shutting down your computer with this quick and easy shortcut.

by
Taylor Martin

 / March 3, 2017 12:43 PM PST

Taylor Martin/CNET

 Watch this:  Put a shutdown timer on your Windows desktop with this...

1:24

If you ever find yourself in a situation where you need to leave your
computer on for several hours, but you want it to shut down once a certain
process has finished, reddit user excelhelpneeded111 has a surprisingly
simple solution. You don't need any third-party software, and it will only
take a minute or two to set up.

Create a shutdown timer for Windows

To create a shutdown timer manually, open Command Prompt and type the
command shutdown -s -t . The "" should be the time in seconds you
want to elapse before the computer shuts down. For instance, if you want the
computer to shut down in 2 hours, the command should look like shutdown -s
-t 7200.

If you want to restart your computer on a delay, use shutdown -r -t 
instead.

To cancel the timer, open the Run window or Command Prompt again and enter
shutdown -a.

Create a shutdown timer shortcut

If you need to use a shutdown timer regularly, you can take this trick one
step further by turning it into a desktop shortcut.

shutdown-timer-windows-shortcut.pngEnlarge Image

Taylor Martin/CNET
.Right-click on the desktop, hover over New and select Shortcut in the side
menu.
.In the path field type "shutdown -s -t " and click Next.
.Enter a name for the shortcut (for example, "Shutdown 1 Hour") and click
Finish.

Any time you double-click the shutdown shortcut, the timer will start. To
cancel the timer, you can create a second shortcut using shutdown -a or
enter the shutdown -a command in Command Prompt.

To change the time on the shutdown timer, right-click the shortcut icon,
select Properties and change the seconds value in the Target field. From
within Properties, you can also assign a different image as the icon.

Dedicated programs


sleep-timer-pc.png

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Bye-bye Twitter app for Apple Watch - CNET

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CNET News - Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 12:45 PM
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Apple unveiled its Series 3 Apple Watch last month. 
Claudia Cruz/CNET 
What happened to the Twitter app for Apple Watch? 
That's just what people who updated their iPhone version of the Twitter app
are asking, after discovering Twitter's companion app for the Apple Watch
has vanished from the App Store. 
Apple Watch users turned to the app to look at recent tweets, check out top
trends and send tweets using the Watch's voice-to-text feature. Now it's
gone.
So what gives? 
When asked for a comment, Twitter said: "We heard from people that
notifications were the most helpful part of the Apple Watch Twitter
experience. With this, we are focusing on supporting more robust, media-rich
notifications. We are committed to providing the very best Twitter
experience on iPhone, iPad, Apple TV and Apple Watch, and we'll continue to
iterate and improve our apps across all platforms."
Not exactly the most helpful response, we know. 
We do know that Twitter hasn't updated its Apple Watch App for a while. And
we know that Apple Watch owners can still get Twitter notifications thanks
to the fact that Apple's watchOS mirrors iPhone notifications. 
So while we can't say if Twitter will replace the app anytime soon -- if at
all -- we can say it might not be anything you need, anyway. 

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FCC chief tells Apple to turn on iPhone's FM radio chip - CNET

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CNET News - Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 1:53 PM
FCC chief tells Apple to turn on iPhone's FM radio chip - CNET
 
A woman checks her phone at night in one of the few places with cell signal
access in San Juan, Puerto Rico, on September 25, following the impact of
Hurricane Maria on the island. 
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Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai has a message for Apple
CEO Tim Cook: "Flip the switch" and turn on FM radios embedded in iPhones.
In the wake of three major hurricanes that have wiped out communications for
millions of people over the past month, Pai issued a statement Thursday
urging Apple, one of the largest makers of cellphones in the US, to
"reconsider its position, given the devastation wrought by Hurricanes
Harvey, Irma, and Maria." FM radios that are already included in every phone
could be used to access "life-saving information" during disasters, he said.
For years the majority of smartphones sold in the US have included FM
radios, but most of them have been turned off so that you couldn't use the
function. Why? Mobile customers would be a lot less likely to subscribe to
streaming music services if they could just listen to traditional, free
broadcast radio. This incentive is especially true for Apple, which has a
streaming music service. 
In recent years, phone manufacturers have begun to turn on the feature.
Today, several makers like Samsung, HTC, Motorola and LG have FM capability
working, including on some of their most popular devices, like the Samsung
Galaxy S8 and the Moto G5 Plus. But Apple continues to hold out. 
"Apple is the one major phone manufacturer that has resisted doing so," Pai
said.
Apple said in a statement that the "iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 models do not have
FM radio chips in them nor do they have antennas designed to support FM
signals, so it is not possible to enable FM reception in these products."
That said, the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus introduced in 2015 do have an FM
radio as part of its chipset, but the radio isn't activated nor is it
attached to an antenna that would allow it to receive a signal. 
Still, Apple says it "cares deeply about the safety of our users, especially
during times of crisis." The company said it has included several safety
solutions in its products, such as allowing users to dial emergency services
and access medical ID card information directly from the lock screen of its
iPhones. It also enables government emergency notifications, ranging from
weather advisories to AMBER alerts. 
Of course, each of these safety features requires a functioning cellular
network, which is exactly what failed for millions of people in the hardest
hit areas following the hurricanes. A week after Hurricane Maria pummeled
Puerto Rico, more than 90 percent of cell sites are still not functioning,
according to the FCC.  
 
Apple is one of the last phone manufacturers to turn on FM radios in its
popular iPhones.
CNET 
Broadcast signals are often the most resilient and reliable form of
communication during and after a disaster. While cell phone infrastructure
is often knocked out in the wake of a big storm, broadcast signals, which
use low frequencies and can travel much further distances and penetrate
through obstacles, usually remain up. Radio broadcasts are often the best
way to get critical information to the public during a disaster.
Pai's statement comes as some lawmakers have also begun to put pressure on
Apple to turn on its FM radios. Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida is leading the
charge. While touring the damage, Nelson told a local TV station in Fort
Myers that he was considering writing phone manufacturers.
The National Association of Broadcasters, which represents radio station
owners, has for years lobbied lawmakers and the wireless industry on this
issue. The group said Thursday it's encouraged by Pai's support and it's
joining him and Nelson in urging Apple to acknowledge the public safety
benefits of activating its FM radios in iPhones. 
"Local broadcasters are a lifeline information source in times of crisis, as
Chairman Pai, Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL) and other members of Congress and the
FCC have noted," the group said in a statement. 
Pai, a Republican, has been reluctant to mandate cell phone makers offer FM
radio access. Instead, he's hoping to appeal to Apple's sense of duty to
promote public safety. 
"I am asking Apple to activate the FM chips that are in its iPhones," Pai
said. "It is time for Apple to step up to the plate and put the safety of
the American people first."
First published Sept. 28 at 10:17 a.m. PT. 
Update, 1:31 p.m. PT: Adds statement from Apple. 
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How to use iCloud Drive's new sharing features - CNET

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CNET How To - Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 12:46 AM
How to use iCloud Drive's new sharing features - CNET
With MacOS High Sierra and iOS 11, iCloud Drive is finally catching up with
Dropbox and Google Drive in terms of sharing ability. You will need to
convince your collaborators to start using iCloud Drive, however, if you
want to share files on Apple's cloud service, a dubious proposition given
the head start that both Dropbox and Google Drive enjoy. 
Still, if you've got friends and family all using Macs and iPhones, there's
lots to like about the new and improved iCloud Drive. Plus, you can now
share an iCloud account with your family for more than just app and iTunes
purchases.
What's the new iCloud Drive sharing feature?
With MacOS High Sierra, you'll see a new sharing option called Add People
that lets you send a link to your file instead of attaching it to an email
or text message. This way, your file stays put and allows for real-time
collaboration instead of emailing or texting versions back and forth.
How does it work?
On a Mac, open Finder, choose iCloud Drive or a folder you are syncing to
iCloud such as Desktop or Documents, select a file and click the share
button at the top of the window. Or just right-click a file and then click
Share. Either way, you will see the new Add People option in the share menu.
The Add People menu provides the usual sharing suspects -- Mail, Messages,
Twitter, Facebook, AirDrop -- but when you select one, it will send a link
to your file instead of an attachment. 
There's also a Copy Link button on the Add People menu. It lets you copy the
link to a file to your clipboard to paste at your leisure.
 Screenshot by Matt Elliott/CNET 
Does it work with folders, too?
Sadly, no. You can only share files. Actually, that should read file and not
files; you can share only one file at a time with the new Add People sharing
function.
What about permissions?
Yep, got 'em. For files you share, you can set permissions on who can access
the file (only those you invite or anyone that it might get forwarded to)
and what they can do with it (make changes or view only).
Can I unshare a file?
But of course! You can see which files have been shared because it'll say in
gray letters under or next to the file name (depending on your view) Shared
by Me or the name of the person who shared the file with you. To revoke
access to a shared file, select it, open the share menu and you'll see that
the Add People menu item now says Show People. Choose a person from the
list, click the triple-dot button on the right and then select Remove
Access. You can also change a file's permissions here, too.
Does this new sharing work on iOS devices, too?
It sure does. You'll see the same Add People option when you go to share a
file from the new Files app in iOS 11.
 Screenshot by Matt Elliott/CNET 
What's this about sharing an iCloud plan with my family?
iCloud Family Sharing was introduced with iOS 8, but it let you share only
purchases from the App Store, iTunes and iBooks along with syncing calendars
and reminders. Now, iCloud Drive gets in on the Family Sharing action and
lets you share cloud space for files, photos, backups and more.
You can spring for a single iCloud storage plan to be shared with up to six
family members instead of paying for individual plans. Only the two largest
iCloud plans are shareable, the 200GB plan for $2.99 (£2.49 or AU$4.49) a
month or the 2TB plan for $9.99 (£6.99 or AU$14.99) a month. To set up
family sharing on a Mac, go to System Preferences > iCloud and click the Set
Up Family button. On an iOS device, open Settings, tap your Apple ID profile
at the top and then tap Set Up Family Sharing.

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Put a shutdown timer on your Windows desktop with this command - CNET

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Postpone shutting down your computer with this quick and easy shortcut.

by  
Taylor Martin  

 / March 3, 2017 12:43 PM PST

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If you ever find yourself in a situation where you need to leave your
computer on for several hours, but you want it to shut down once a certain
process has finished, reddit user excelhelpneeded111 has a surprisingly
simple solution. You don't need any third-party software, and it will only
take a minute or two to set up.

Create a shutdown timer for Windows

To create a shutdown timer manually, open Command Prompt and type the
command shutdown -s -t . The "" should be the time in seconds you
want to elapse before the computer shuts down. For instance, if you want the
computer to shut down in 2 hours, the command should look like shutdown -s
-t 7200.

If you want to restart your computer on a delay, use shutdown -r -t 
instead.

To cancel the timer, open the Run window or Command Prompt again and enter
shutdown -a.

Create a shutdown timer shortcut

If you need to use a shutdown timer regularly, you can take this trick one
step further by turning it into a desktop shortcut.

shutdown-timer-windows-shortcut.pngEnlarge Image

Taylor Martin/CNET 
.Right-click on the desktop, hover over New and select Shortcut in the side
menu.
.In the path field type "shutdown -s -t " and click Next.
.Enter a name for the shortcut (for example, "Shutdown 1 Hour") and click
Finish.

Any time you double-click the shutdown shortcut, the timer will start. To
cancel the timer, you can create a second shortcut using shutdown -a or
enter the shutdown -a command in Command Prompt.

To change the time on the shutdown timer, right-click the shortcut icon,
select Properties and change the seconds value in the Target field. From
within Properties, you can also assign a different image as the icon.

Dedicated programs


sleep-timer-pc.png

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How to put a sleep timer shortcut on your Mac desktop - CNET

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CNET How To - Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 1:32 PM
How to put a sleep timer shortcut on your Mac desktop - CNET
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If you ever find yourself in a situation where you want to shut down your
Mac after a time-consuming process has finished, such as downloading and
installing updates, or exporting a video, what you need is a shutdown timer.
A few applications for this exist in the Mac App Store, such as Timer Boom
and the aptly named Shutdown Timer. But you don't need any dedicated
software. All you need is this simple trick.
Read more: If you're looking for a shutdown timer on Windows, there's a
quick tip for that, as well.
A built-in power schedule
Under Energy Saver settings, MacOS has a built-in wake and sleep schedule.
 Taylor Martin/CNET 
To enable it and create a schedule, go to System Preferences > Energy Saver
and click Schedule... in the lower right corner of the window. There you can
set a time and day (weekends or weekdays, too) that the Mac will start up or
wake, as well as a time and day(s) when it will restart, shut down or sleep.
As useful as the schedule feature is, it's limited in how it can work.
Still, you could use it to shut down your computer at a specific time. Just
select a time for the sleep or shutdown to happen after the process is
expected to finish.
Make your own shutdown timer
If you want a shutdown timer that's more adaptable, you only need to know a
few terminal commands.
The shutdown command will, as expected, shut down your Mac when used in
Terminal. But there are some important options that you will also want to
use to make this shutdown timer meet your needs.
.   -h will halt the system at a specified time.
.   -r will reboot instead of shutdown.
.   -s will put the Mac to sleep instead of shutdown.
There are other options, which you can read more about in Apple's shutdown
documentation, but for the purpose of a shutdown timer, -h, -r and -s are
likely all you will need to know.
This is a shutdown timer command for 15 minutes with a pid of 842.
Taylor Martin/CNET 
If you remember this shutdown command, you can simply open Terminal and
enter the command to create a shutdown timer. Some example shutdown timer
commands would look like: 
.   A 15-minute shutdown timer: sudo shutdown -h +15
.   A 30-minute restart timer: sudo shutdown -r +30
.   A 1-hour sleep timer: sudo shutdown -s +60
When you enter one of these commands, you will need to enter the password
for the user account and press return. The shutdown timer will then be
created, giving you the exact time and date that the shutdown/restart/sleep
process will occur. It will also give you the process ID, also known as a
pid, which is a three- to four-digit number.
If you wish to cancel a shutdown timer, take note of its pid and enter this
command in Terminal: sudo kill [pid number].
Create a shutdown timer desktop shortcut
If you find yourself using the same shutdown timer often, you may want to
create a desktop shortcut for the timer.
To do this, open TextEdit and click New Document. This opens a blank text
document. If the document is not in plain text, press command + shift + T to
switch to plain text.
 
A partially complete script for a shutdown timer.
Taylor Martin/CNET 
On the very top line of the text file, type #!/bin/bash. This tells the
operating system that the command should be executed using Bash.
Press return twice, and on the third line, enter your shutdown timer
command, such as sudo shutdown -h +15. Save the file to Desktop and give it
a simple name, like shutdown. Before clicking Save, make sure to uncheck the
box beside If no extension is provided, use ".txt". Click Save.
Finally, we need to make the file executable. Open terminal and change
directory to Desktop by typing cd /Users/[username]/Desktop and press enter.
Next, type chmod 774 shutdown and press enter.
Now if you double-click the shutdown shortcut on your desktop, Terminal will
open, prompting you to enter your user password. Once entered, the timer
will begin.
If you want to replace the default icon of an executable file, click to
highlight the icon and press command + I. This opens the info page for the
shortcut. Open the image you want to use in Preview and press command + A to
select all and command + C to copy. Lastly, in the info window for the
shutdown timer, click the logo in the top left corner to highlight it, then
press command + V to paste the image.

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question on ICloud backups & ICloud Drive

[Vicki W.]

I am using IOS 10.3.3 on my mini IPad II.

I have ICloud drive turned on. Shouldn't I be able to access it on the IPad to 
see my files and backups, and if so, how?

Do I need to activate it in ITunes on the PC and will an icon show up on my 
desktop and on my home screen on the IPAD?

Right now I can only access one backup in ICloud on the mini IPad to delete.

Thanks.

Vicki

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