Re: Accessible Fruit Machine

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I'm sure my online slotmachine  game is still active and free, and totally 
accessible at - http://hoh.me.uk/games - for a bit of 
mindless fun. I wrote the original for DOS pc back in the 80s.

RobH, wrote this one in PHP.

- Original Message - 
From: "Terri Stimmel" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:36 AM
Subject: Accessible Fruit Machine


Hello everyone,


I was wondering, does anyone here play accessible fruit machine?


It was only a dollar, so I grabbed it. But I don't get exactly how it works.

I am assuming you want to get 3 of the same fruits in a row?


Any help would be appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[lenron brown]

I really love my touch ID so I am going to stick with this IPhone
7plus for as long as I Need an IOS device. Especially since it's
completely paid off. The 8plus would pretty much be this phone with
not many upgrades. So unless there is a new phone that's better with
touch ID this year I am good.

On 1/12/18, Cristóbal  wrote:
> That and with the rumored second gen SE phone, upgrading for better
> performance without having to pay a premium price for features that we may
> not be able to use to its fullest at a more reasonable amount becomes a much
> more attractive option.
> The wife's got the latest iPad Pro and is perfectly happy with her SE. If
> another SE comes out, I'm probably going to give that one a hard look-see
> since I prefer the smaller size and am loathed to give up the finger print
> feature. She prefers to upgrade her iPad from time to time rather than
> having the latest and greatest phone. She's probably going to keep that
> phone till it gives up the ghost. We'll likely get the batteries swapped out
> this year so that'll only help too.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger
> all the time
>
> The fact is that if you upgrade every year one way or another the carrier or
> Apple or whoever flips the bill on the phone will make you pay and just like
> a Casino, the house always wins. I guess if a new phone every year is your
> thing then it's probably worth it for you. Since I bought my first iPhone 4
> in 2010 I upgraded once the next year and that was in 2011 when the iPhone
> 4S with SIRI came out. After that I always kept my phone for 2 years, my
> next on was a 5S in 2013 and then a 6S Plus in 2015. This time for the first
> time I am keeping my 6S Plus for a third year and given how much I like that
> phone, how well it works and considering that at some point this year I'll
> pay Apple the $35 Canadian to get a new battery put in I might very well
> keep it for a fourth year when this fall comes around. Apple must do
> something pretty cool this fall to make me upgrade, yes, wireless charging
> is tempting, but while Face Id is cool, I also really like Touch Id and how
> it allows me to unlock my phone while it's in my belt holster or inside my
> jacket pocket.
> As the phones mature and truly revolutionary designs and features don't
> happen as often I find the need to upgrade less urgent. My wife has a 6S and
> we are both out of contract and with an MVNO here in Canada, Koodo, where we
> have unlimited Canada wide calling and texting along with basic voice mail
> and 6 Gb of data each for $49 + taxes, total of $54.88. Recently all 3 of
> the large carriers, Rogers, Bell and Telus, offered a promo which lasted
> only a few days and for $60 you were able to get the unlimited calling and
> texting along with 10 Gb of data which isn't bad at all, but we rarely use
> even 2 Gb a month unless we are away for a longer period of time and even
> then 6 Gb is quite a bit. The usual price here in Canada for something like
> what we have is at least $30 a month more if you are on a 2-year contract,
> this means over 2 years that is 720 and if I keep my phone for a third year
> that goes up to $1,080 which means I save the full purchase price of an
> iPhone 8 in that time.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Victor Gouveia
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.
>
> I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan,
> and one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.
>
> What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now.
>
> Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?
>
> Victor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robin Frost
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Hi,
> It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby
> you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
> Robin
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Victor Gouveia
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?
>
> Victor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robin Frost
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger 

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[lenron brown]

Okay first off leasing is possible yes. You just trade it end at the
end of the year and get the next device. Secondly If I buy a budget
android phone at $150 and I get a year or two out of it that's a plus.
I could just buy the next version by then still saving a lot of cash I
would have spent on an IPhone. So at that point why would I care about
a budget phone getting every update. Now even if I did buy a high end
android device I am going to at least get 2 years of major updates.
Even if with some companies they may be a bit slower. Remember IPhones
are just one device with different sizes so everything is the same,
android phones you have so many sizes flavors and all so of course
updates take longer at time. You also have a lot more control over
your app defaults and things.

On 1/13/18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> No offense Victor, but that $150 Android phone from China may sound like it
> has similar hardware, but there is a reason why the iPhone still blows away
> even the high-end Android phones in most speed tests and they nowadays cost
> just as much an most  iPhones. But I agree that it is tempting and if your
> Android does what you want then that is great. I am almost certain, though,
> that you will not use your relatively inexpensive Android phone for 4 years
> and if you do there is a pretty good chance you are going to be way behind
> when it comes to software. As I said earlier, I am going into year 3 now
> with my 6S Plus, I'm on the latest iOS update, my phone runs absolutely
> great and while my battery at this point seems to be pretty good, I'd be
> stupid not to take advantage of Apple's $35 offer to get a new battery at
> some point this year. Even if I end up getting a new iPhone this September
> or October, being able to show that the phone has a new battery combined
> with the fact that It's almost always in a case and has a glass screen
> protector which means it's cosmetically virtually in mint condition will go
> a long way to getting a higher price for it when I sell it.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Victor Gouveia
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Sieghard, Android just wasn't in my comfort zone at that time two years
> ago.
>
> I had tried a phone running Android 2.2, and that turned me off, then when I
> tried Android 4.4, Talkback had made great strides in getting better than
> Android 2.2, but again, the accessibility just wasn't as good as an iPhone.
>
> Eventually, I just couldn't ignore how great the unlimited plans were
> getting, and since I hadn't tried Android's Talkback in a few Android
> versions, I got a hold of a newer Android running Android 6.0 and I noticed
> that Talkback had gotten better.
>
> Admittedly, some of the gestures took me some time to get used to, and I
> still haven't gotten fully used to the double gestures, but alas, the
> ability to customize the gestures, the half price, even a third of the price
> phones as good, if not better than the iPhone and the expanded storage just
> became too much of a draw for me, and so, I madder the switch fully last
> month.
>
> I still had to lapse my contract with my current carrier, and besides, my
> wife was using that iPhone, or rather, my daughter was, as my wife and I had
> given the phone to her, and we both adopted the Android way, not to be
> confused with the Jedi sort of way.  LOL.
>
> My point in all of this was that the cheaper companies did not have an
> iPhone as part of their line-up, so I had to buy a phone outright, or adopt
> Android.  Sort of no choice, really.
>
> When one can get an Android phone with the same hardware specs as the iPhone
> from China for only 150 dollars American, you quickly find out how low your
> budget really is.  Sheepish Grin.
>
> Victor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Hi Victor,
>
> But what has your plan to do with Android? I have my $49 plan from Koodo
> which of course I was only able to get if I brought a device, but it makes
> no difference if said device is an iPhone or Android phone.
> I was on a Telus plan before and had a locked Telus phone, the interesting
> thing is that since Koodo is owned by Telus a phone that Is locked to Telus
> will actually work with Koodo although I did end up with an unlocked iPhone
> 6S Plus after I lost mine 2 winters ago in the snow and never found it again
> until the snow was gone 4 months later. Fortunately I have my phone insured
> as a separate item through my home insurance with only a $100 deductable and
> they paid me the full price of what the iPhone 6S then cost, $1,029 and that
> is when I decided to upgrade to a 6S 

RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No offense Victor, but that $150 Android phone from China may sound like it has 
similar hardware, but there is a reason why the iPhone still blows away even 
the high-end Android phones in most speed tests and they nowadays cost just as 
much an most  iPhones. But I agree that it is tempting and if your Android does 
what you want then that is great. I am almost certain, though, that you will 
not use your relatively inexpensive Android phone for 4 years and if you do 
there is a pretty good chance you are going to be way behind when it comes to 
software. As I said earlier, I am going into year 3 now with my 6S Plus, I'm on 
the latest iOS update, my phone runs absolutely great and while my battery at 
this point seems to be pretty good, I'd be stupid not to take advantage of 
Apple's $35 offer to get a new battery at some point this year. Even if I end 
up getting a new iPhone this September or October, being able to show that the 
phone has a new battery combined with the fact that It's almost always in a 
case and has a glass screen protector which means it's cosmetically virtually 
in mint condition will go a long way to getting a higher price for it when I 
sell it. 

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Sieghard, Android just wasn't in my comfort zone at that time two years ago.

I had tried a phone running Android 2.2, and that turned me off, then when I 
tried Android 4.4, Talkback had made great strides in getting better than 
Android 2.2, but again, the accessibility just wasn't as good as an iPhone.

Eventually, I just couldn't ignore how great the unlimited plans were getting, 
and since I hadn't tried Android's Talkback in a few Android versions, I got a 
hold of a newer Android running Android 6.0 and I noticed that Talkback had 
gotten better.

Admittedly, some of the gestures took me some time to get used to, and I still 
haven't gotten fully used to the double gestures, but alas, the ability to 
customize the gestures, the half price, even a third of the price phones as 
good, if not better than the iPhone and the expanded storage just became too 
much of a draw for me, and so, I madder the switch fully last month.

I still had to lapse my contract with my current carrier, and besides, my wife 
was using that iPhone, or rather, my daughter was, as my wife and I had given 
the phone to her, and we both adopted the Android way, not to be confused with 
the Jedi sort of way.  LOL.

My point in all of this was that the cheaper companies did not have an iPhone 
as part of their line-up, so I had to buy a phone outright, or adopt Android.  
Sort of no choice, really.

When one can get an Android phone with the same hardware specs as the iPhone 
from China for only 150 dollars American, you quickly find out how low your 
budget really is.  Sheepish Grin.

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi Victor,

But what has your plan to do with Android? I have my $49 plan from Koodo which 
of course I was only able to get if I brought a device, but it makes no 
difference if said device is an iPhone or Android phone.
I was on a Telus plan before and had a locked Telus phone, the interesting 
thing is that since Koodo is owned by Telus a phone that Is locked to Telus 
will actually work with Koodo although I did end up with an unlocked iPhone 6S 
Plus after I lost mine 2 winters ago in the snow and never found it again until 
the snow was gone 4 months later. Fortunately I have my phone insured as a 
separate item through my home insurance with only a $100 deductable and they 
paid me the full price of what the iPhone 6S then cost, $1,029 and that is when 
I decided to upgrade to a 6S Plus which I bought from an Apple Store unlocked. 
Of course I was still on my 2-year Telus plan, it ended last January and then 
my wife and I switched to Koodo.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, didn't mean to offer any offence, I honestly thought there was some 
leasing plan offered by the manufacturer that allowed you to lease your phone 
for a certain amount every month, then upgrade when a new iteration of your 
device was released, sort of like I had wish that Window eyes would do, until 
they quickly went out of business when my Jaws SMA was up.  LOL.

I was also saying this because if the manufacturers were offering such an 
offer, I would take advantage of it in a heartbeat.  LOL.

I'm 

RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It means "Mobil Virtual Network Operator".

These are companies like Koodo, Virgin or Fido here in Canada who are mobil 
carriers, but they don't have their own networks/infrastructure but lease 
wireless telephone and data services from Bell, Roger and Telus.

Unfortunately here in Canada each of the big 3 owns one of the MVNO's, Bell 
owns Virgin, Rogers owns Fido and Telus owns Koodo and this does somewhat 
reduce the competitive edge these MVNO's bring to other markets.

I think out east you have Wind mobil and maybe a couple of others who are still 
independent.

In the States there is a whole bunch of MVNO's, Consumer Cellular, Cricket, 
FreedomPop, Straight Talk are some of the more well-known companies, some like 
Straight Talk offer service on all 4 major networks, AT, Sprint, T-Mobil and 
Verizon.

According to this Wikipedia article about the List of United States 
MVNO's
 there are over 90 of them.

Most countries in Europe also have a bunch of them which results in much 
greater competition hence usually lower prices. Canada is often mentioned as 
having some of the most expensive internet, wireless phone and TV service and 
that might be true, but one thing one should not forget is that it is of course 
easier to maintain all that infrastructure and have a lot of customers in 
countries which are much smaller and have a lot more population. Our carriers 
also are expected to provide service in all these remote places where they only 
have a few customers and that is not easy.





Regards,

Sieghard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time



Robin,, I noticed you used the same term in your message as Sieghard did, 
"MVNO".



What does that term mean?



Victor



-Original Message-

From: Robin Frost

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:53 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time



Hi,

No worries that's why I included a laugh in parentheses in lieu of an emoticon. 
 I'm just glad there are many choices to suit different circumstances and 
tastes. MBNO's, prepaid plans, lease like or payment plan type contracts or the 
ability to not succumb to the latest and greatest.

whether it's with off the shelf tech or blind specific devices I'm just glad 
for as many options as humanly possible. That is always a good thing as is 
saving money or at the very least fitting comfortably into one's budget too.

Take good care.

Robin





-Original Message-

From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:40 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time



Robin, didn't mean to offer any offence, I honestly thought there was some 
leasing plan offered by the manufacturer that allowed you to lease your phone 
for a certain amount every month, then upgrade when a new iteration of your 
device was released, sort of like I had wish that Window eyes would do, until 
they quickly went out of business when my Jaws SMA was up.  LOL.



I was also saying this because if the manufacturers were offering such an 
offer, I would take advantage of it in a heartbeat.  LOL.



I'm also kind of really jealous.  I told Sieghard offer-list that until a month 
ago, I was paying upwards of 130 dollars Canadian for my plan which offered me 
six gigs of data, visual voicemail, unlimited calling to the US and Canada, and 
global texting.  I paid that amount for several years, almost a decade until I 
switched to Android and was able to change and get a better deal with a more 
local carrier.  I was reading about all the incredible plans people were 
getting from the US, and some in Canada, and that green giant, Jealousy, would 
inevitably lurch up and chomp my ass for staying with the same ridiculous plan 
for so many years.



What's worse is that on top of that, I was making all kinds of excuses as to 
why I was continuing to pay that much until I realized they were just that, 
excuses.  LOL.



Victor



-Original Message-

From: Robin Frost

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:17 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time



Hi,

Goodness gracious me I wasn't aware I'd walked into a pop quiz on semantics 
this night (laughs). While it's true there are early termination fees with 
these perhaps more aptly termed plans or contracts as you say since I hadn't 
plans to switch carriers or the like they work for me. This year I'll pay 
precisely $444 for the use of my device for 12 months plus its associated sales 
taxes. the other associated 

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Victor Gouveia]

Robin,, I noticed you used the same term in your message as Sieghard did, 
"MVNO".


What does that term mean?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
No worries that's why I included a laugh in parentheses in lieu of an
emoticon.  I'm just glad there are many choices to suit different
circumstances and tastes. MBNO's, prepaid plans, lease like or payment plan
type contracts or the ability to not succumb to the latest and greatest.
whether it's with off the shelf tech or blind specific devices I'm just glad
for as many options as humanly possible. That is always a good thing as is
saving money or at the very least fitting comfortably into one's budget too.
Take good care.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, didn't mean to offer any offence, I honestly thought there was some
leasing plan offered by the manufacturer that allowed you to lease your
phone for a certain amount every month, then upgrade when a new iteration of
your device was released, sort of like I had wish that Window eyes would do,
until they quickly went out of business when my Jaws SMA was up.  LOL.

I was also saying this because if the manufacturers were offering such an
offer, I would take advantage of it in a heartbeat.  LOL.

I'm also kind of really jealous.  I told Sieghard offer-list that until a
month ago, I was paying upwards of 130 dollars Canadian for my plan which
offered me six gigs of data, visual voicemail, unlimited calling to the US
and Canada, and global texting.  I paid that amount for several years,
almost a decade until I switched to Android and was able to change and get a
better deal with a more local carrier.  I was reading about all the
incredible plans people were getting from the US, and some in Canada, and
that green giant, Jealousy, would inevitably lurch up and chomp my ass for
staying with the same ridiculous plan for so many years.

What's worse is that on top of that, I was making all kinds of excuses as to
why I was continuing to pay that much until I realized they were just that,
excuses.  LOL.

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Goodness gracious me I wasn't aware I'd walked into a pop quiz on semantics
this night (laughs). While it's true there are early termination fees with
these perhaps more aptly termed plans or contracts as you say since I hadn't
plans to switch carriers or the like they work for me. This year I'll pay
precisely $444 for the use of my device for 12 months plus its associated
sales taxes. the other associated costs of my plan such as line charges data
and other sundry surcharges levied upon us by governmental entities would
remain as they are regardless.
I only used the term lease for in my estimation that which I'm doing with my
device is no different than that which those I know who lease vehicles are
doing in essence hence the use albeit not so precise terminology.  I hope
that clarifies.  By no means am I saying this is the best option for anyone
merely that which I chose and mentioned in the context of explaining why my
battery issues might not mirror those of others due to their age.
Take good care.
  Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan,
and one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.

What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now.
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were
the device 

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Victor Gouveia]

Sieghard, Android just wasn't in my comfort zone at that time two years ago.

I had tried a phone running Android 2.2, and that turned me off, then when I 
tried Android 4.4, Talkback had made great strides in getting better than 
Android 2.2, but again, the accessibility just wasn't as good as an iPhone.


Eventually, I just couldn't ignore how great the unlimited plans were 
getting, and since I hadn't tried Android's Talkback in a few Android 
versions, I got a hold of a newer Android running Android 6.0 and I noticed 
that Talkback had gotten better.


Admittedly, some of the gestures took me some time to get used to, and I 
still haven't gotten fully used to the double gestures, but alas, the 
ability to customize the gestures, the half price, even a third of the price 
phones as good, if not better than the iPhone and the expanded storage just 
became too much of a draw for me, and so, I madder the switch fully last 
month.


I still had to lapse my contract with my current carrier, and besides, my 
wife was using that iPhone, or rather, my daughter was, as my wife and I had 
given the phone to her, and we both adopted the Android way, not to be 
confused with the Jedi sort of way.  LOL.


My point in all of this was that the cheaper companies did not have an 
iPhone as part of their line-up, so I had to buy a phone outright, or adopt 
Android.  Sort of no choice, really.


When one can get an Android phone with the same hardware specs as the iPhone 
from China for only 150 dollars American, you quickly find out how low your 
budget really is.  Sheepish Grin.


Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi Victor,

But what has your plan to do with Android? I have my $49 plan from Koodo 
which of course I was only able to get if I brought a device, but it makes 
no difference if said device is an iPhone or Android phone.
I was on a Telus plan before and had a locked Telus phone, the interesting 
thing is that since Koodo is owned by Telus a phone that Is locked to Telus 
will actually work with Koodo although I did end up with an unlocked iPhone 
6S Plus after I lost mine 2 winters ago in the snow and never found it again 
until the snow was gone 4 months later. Fortunately I have my phone insured 
as a separate item through my home insurance with only a $100 deductable and 
they paid me the full price of what the iPhone 6S then cost, $1,029 and that 
is when I decided to upgrade to a 6S Plus which I bought from an Apple Store 
unlocked. Of course I was still on my 2-year Telus plan, it ended last 
January and then my wife and I switched to Koodo.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, didn't mean to offer any offence, I honestly thought there was some 
leasing plan offered by the manufacturer that allowed you to lease your 
phone for a certain amount every month, then upgrade when a new iteration of 
your device was released, sort of like I had wish that Window eyes would do, 
until they quickly went out of business when my Jaws SMA was up.  LOL.


I was also saying this because if the manufacturers were offering such an 
offer, I would take advantage of it in a heartbeat.  LOL.


I'm also kind of really jealous.  I told Sieghard offer-list that until a 
month ago, I was paying upwards of 130 dollars Canadian for my plan which 
offered me six gigs of data, visual voicemail, unlimited calling to the US 
and Canada, and global texting.  I paid that amount for several years, 
almost a decade until I switched to Android and was able to change and get a 
better deal with a more local carrier.  I was reading about all the 
incredible plans people were getting from the US, and some in Canada, and 
that green giant, Jealousy, would inevitably lurch up and chomp my ass for 
staying with the same ridiculous plan for so many years.


What's worse is that on top of that, I was making all kinds of excuses as to 
why I was continuing to pay that much until I realized they were just that, 
excuses.  LOL.


Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Goodness gracious me I wasn't aware I'd walked into a pop quiz on semantics 
this night (laughs). While it's true there are early termination fees with 
these perhaps more aptly termed plans or contracts as you say since I hadn't 
plans to switch carriers or the like they work for me. This year I'll pay 
precisely $444 for the use of my device for 12 months plus its associated 
sales taxes. the other associated costs of my plan such 

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
No worries that's why I included a laugh in parentheses in lieu of an 
emoticon.  I'm just glad there are many choices to suit different 
circumstances and tastes. MBNO's, prepaid plans, lease like or payment plan 
type contracts or the ability to not succumb to the latest and greatest. 
whether it's with off the shelf tech or blind specific devices I'm just glad 
for as many options as humanly possible. That is always a good thing as is 
saving money or at the very least fitting comfortably into one's budget too.

Take good care.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, didn't mean to offer any offence, I honestly thought there was some
leasing plan offered by the manufacturer that allowed you to lease your
phone for a certain amount every month, then upgrade when a new iteration of
your device was released, sort of like I had wish that Window eyes would do,
until they quickly went out of business when my Jaws SMA was up.  LOL.

I was also saying this because if the manufacturers were offering such an
offer, I would take advantage of it in a heartbeat.  LOL.

I'm also kind of really jealous.  I told Sieghard offer-list that until a
month ago, I was paying upwards of 130 dollars Canadian for my plan which
offered me six gigs of data, visual voicemail, unlimited calling to the US
and Canada, and global texting.  I paid that amount for several years,
almost a decade until I switched to Android and was able to change and get a
better deal with a more local carrier.  I was reading about all the
incredible plans people were getting from the US, and some in Canada, and
that green giant, Jealousy, would inevitably lurch up and chomp my ass for
staying with the same ridiculous plan for so many years.

What's worse is that on top of that, I was making all kinds of excuses as to
why I was continuing to pay that much until I realized they were just that,
excuses.  LOL.

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Goodness gracious me I wasn't aware I'd walked into a pop quiz on semantics
this night (laughs). While it's true there are early termination fees with
these perhaps more aptly termed plans or contracts as you say since I hadn't
plans to switch carriers or the like they work for me. This year I'll pay
precisely $444 for the use of my device for 12 months plus its associated
sales taxes. the other associated costs of my plan such as line charges data
and other sundry surcharges levied upon us by governmental entities would
remain as they are regardless.
I only used the term lease for in my estimation that which I'm doing with my
device is no different than that which those I know who lease vehicles are
doing in essence hence the use albeit not so precise terminology.  I hope
that clarifies.  By no means am I saying this is the best option for anyone
merely that which I chose and mentioned in the context of explaining why my
battery issues might not mirror those of others due to their age.
Take good care.
  Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan,
and one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.

What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now.
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were
the device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and
never in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in
(smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new
windows and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original 

RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Victor,

But what has your plan to do with Android? I have my $49 plan from Koodo which 
of course I was only able to get if I brought a device, but it makes no 
difference if said device is an iPhone or Android phone.
I was on a Telus plan before and had a locked Telus phone, the interesting 
thing is that since Koodo is owned by Telus a phone that Is locked to Telus 
will actually work with Koodo although I did end up with an unlocked iPhone 6S 
Plus after I lost mine 2 winters ago in the snow and never found it again until 
the snow was gone 4 months later. Fortunately I have my phone insured as a 
separate item through my home insurance with only a $100 deductable and they 
paid me the full price of what the iPhone 6S then cost, $1,029 and that is when 
I decided to upgrade to a 6S Plus which I bought from an Apple Store unlocked. 
Of course I was still on my 2-year Telus plan, it ended last January and then 
my wife and I switched to Koodo.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, didn't mean to offer any offence, I honestly thought there was some 
leasing plan offered by the manufacturer that allowed you to lease your phone 
for a certain amount every month, then upgrade when a new iteration of your 
device was released, sort of like I had wish that Window eyes would do, until 
they quickly went out of business when my Jaws SMA was up.  LOL.

I was also saying this because if the manufacturers were offering such an 
offer, I would take advantage of it in a heartbeat.  LOL.

I'm also kind of really jealous.  I told Sieghard offer-list that until a month 
ago, I was paying upwards of 130 dollars Canadian for my plan which offered me 
six gigs of data, visual voicemail, unlimited calling to the US and Canada, and 
global texting.  I paid that amount for several years, almost a decade until I 
switched to Android and was able to change and get a better deal with a more 
local carrier.  I was reading about all the incredible plans people were 
getting from the US, and some in Canada, and that green giant, Jealousy, would 
inevitably lurch up and chomp my ass for staying with the same ridiculous plan 
for so many years.

What's worse is that on top of that, I was making all kinds of excuses as to 
why I was continuing to pay that much until I realized they were just that, 
excuses.  LOL.

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Goodness gracious me I wasn't aware I'd walked into a pop quiz on semantics 
this night (laughs). While it's true there are early termination fees with 
these perhaps more aptly termed plans or contracts as you say since I hadn't 
plans to switch carriers or the like they work for me. This year I'll pay 
precisely $444 for the use of my device for 12 months plus its associated sales 
taxes. the other associated costs of my plan such as line charges data and 
other sundry surcharges levied upon us by governmental entities would remain as 
they are regardless.
I only used the term lease for in my estimation that which I'm doing with my 
device is no different than that which those I know who lease vehicles are 
doing in essence hence the use albeit not so precise terminology.  I hope that 
clarifies.  By no means am I saying this is the best option for anyone merely 
that which I chose and mentioned in the context of explaining why my battery 
issues might not mirror those of others due to their age.
Take good care.
   Robin


-Original Message-
From: Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan, and 
one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.

What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now.
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby 
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin 

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Victor Gouveia]

Robin, didn't mean to offer any offence, I honestly thought there was some 
leasing plan offered by the manufacturer that allowed you to lease your 
phone for a certain amount every month, then upgrade when a new iteration of 
your device was released, sort of like I had wish that Window eyes would do, 
until they quickly went out of business when my Jaws SMA was up.  LOL.


I was also saying this because if the manufacturers were offering such an 
offer, I would take advantage of it in a heartbeat.  LOL.


I'm also kind of really jealous.  I told Sieghard offer-list that until a 
month ago, I was paying upwards of 130 dollars Canadian for my plan which 
offered me six gigs of data, visual voicemail, unlimited calling to the US 
and Canada, and global texting.  I paid that amount for several years, 
almost a decade until I switched to Android and was able to change and get a 
better deal with a more local carrier.  I was reading about all the 
incredible plans people were getting from the US, and some in Canada, and 
that green giant, Jealousy, would inevitably lurch up and chomp my ass for 
staying with the same ridiculous plan for so many years.


What's worse is that on top of that, I was making all kinds of excuses as to 
why I was continuing to pay that much until I realized they were just that, 
excuses.  LOL.


Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Goodness gracious me I wasn't aware I'd walked into a pop quiz on semantics
this night (laughs). While it's true there are early termination fees with
these perhaps more aptly termed plans or contracts as you say since I hadn't
plans to switch carriers or the like they work for me. This year I'll pay
precisely $444 for the use of my device for 12 months plus its associated
sales taxes. the other associated costs of my plan such as line charges data
and other sundry surcharges levied upon us by governmental entities would
remain as they are regardless.
I only used the term lease for in my estimation that which I'm doing with my
device is no different than that which those I know who lease vehicles are
doing in essence hence the use albeit not so precise terminology.  I hope
that clarifies.  By no means am I saying this is the best option for anyone
merely that which I chose and mentioned in the context of explaining why my
battery issues might not mirror those of others due to their age.
Take good care.
  Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan,
and one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.

What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now.
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were
the device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and
never in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in
(smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new
windows and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy me
an iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to
say I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as
it's my beta testing unit and for 

RE: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Cristóbal]

That and with the rumored second gen SE phone, upgrading for better performance 
without having to pay a premium price for features that we may not be able to 
use to its fullest at a more reasonable amount becomes a much more attractive 
option.  
The wife's got the latest iPad Pro and is perfectly happy with her SE. If 
another SE comes out, I'm probably going to give that one a hard look-see since 
I prefer the smaller size and am loathed to give up the finger print feature. 
She prefers to upgrade her iPad from time to time rather than having the latest 
and greatest phone. She's probably going to keep that phone till it gives up 
the ghost. We'll likely get the batteries swapped out this year so that'll only 
help too.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all 
the time

The fact is that if you upgrade every year one way or another the carrier or 
Apple or whoever flips the bill on the phone will make you pay and just like a 
Casino, the house always wins. I guess if a new phone every year is your thing 
then it's probably worth it for you. Since I bought my first iPhone 4 in 2010 I 
upgraded once the next year and that was in 2011 when the iPhone 4S with SIRI 
came out. After that I always kept my phone for 2 years, my next on was a 5S in 
2013 and then a 6S Plus in 2015. This time for the first time I am keeping my 
6S Plus for a third year and given how much I like that phone, how well it 
works and considering that at some point this year I'll pay Apple the $35 
Canadian to get a new battery put in I might very well keep it for a fourth 
year when this fall comes around. Apple must do something pretty cool this fall 
to make me upgrade, yes, wireless charging is tempting, but while Face Id is 
cool, I also really like Touch Id and how it allows me to unlock my phone while 
it's in my belt holster or inside my jacket pocket.
As the phones mature and truly revolutionary designs and features don't happen 
as often I find the need to upgrade less urgent. My wife has a 6S and we are 
both out of contract and with an MVNO here in Canada, Koodo, where we have 
unlimited Canada wide calling and texting along with basic voice mail and 6 Gb 
of data each for $49 + taxes, total of $54.88. Recently all 3 of the large 
carriers, Rogers, Bell and Telus, offered a promo which lasted only a few days 
and for $60 you were able to get the unlimited calling and texting along with 
10 Gb of data which isn't bad at all, but we rarely use even 2 Gb a month 
unless we are away for a longer period of time and even then 6 Gb is quite a 
bit. The usual price here in Canada for something like what we have is at least 
$30 a month more if you are on a 2-year contract, this means over 2 years that 
is 720 and if I keep my phone for a third year that goes up to $1,080 which 
means I save the full purchase price of an iPhone 8 in that time. 

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan, and 
one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.

What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now. 
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby 
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were the 
device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and never 
in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in (smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new windows 
and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: 

RE: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and accessible app?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Not any more, quite a few electronic lock companies made fingerprint doorlocks 
years ago, I had one and so did a friend of mine, and they were the biggest 
pain in the neck.
Depending on how much you want to spend, you are much better off with an 
electronic lock with a keypad or a smartlock which you can unlock with your 
phone.
I have a Weiser electronic lock at my retail store which was actually installed 
by my alarm company and which has a keypad, but it also connects via the 
Zigbbee protocol to my alarm panel so I can unlock it via the alarm app 
remotely.
At home we just recently purchased a Schlage Sense smartlock which has home kit 
support. This means you can unlock it by telling SIRI “Unlock my front door” or 
from the home app. It has also a keypad, but it’s a touchscreen so you’d have 
to put at least a dot on the 5 or maybe put a tactile dot on the 1, 3, 5, 7 and 
9 to be able to use it manually.
Before we bought it we had a Schlage electronic lock on the front door and I 
really like it, too. It has a lock button at the top and underneat two rows of 
buttons, 1 to 5 and 6 to 0. The lock button is above the 3, so in the middle 
above the two number rows. This particular lock (forgot the model) doesn’t 
actually have a motor so the single 9 Volt battery lasts forever because all it 
does is to engage a deadbolt which you turn by hand to lock and unlock the 
door. Less high tech, but also completely reliable and we now moved this lock 
to our patio door.
If there are still fingerprint locks around I really advise you to stay away 
from them, if you don’t want to spend too much then you can get a lock like 
that electronic Schlage with the keypad I described for around $100 and it’s 
super-easy to use, you can program multiple codes and it’s easy  to program it 
without sight, all you need to know is the master/programming code which you 
can customize and then you of course need to write down the basic commands for 
adding or removing a code. It's usually something like enter the master code 
and press the lock button, then press 1 to add a code followed by the lock 
button, then enter a 4-digit code, press the lock button and re-enter it. This 
is just an example, but it’s that type of sequence.
I am not sure if this particular Schlage can do one-time codes, but before we 
got the smartlock at my store we had a electronic keypad lock from Tamor. That 
one you could set a mastercode anywhere from 4 to 8 digits long and user codes 
then had to be the same length which means if you think a 4-digit code might be 
too insecure this one is nice because you can do a 5 or 7 digit code which is 
more unusual. Anyhow, that one also allowed for one-time codes so if, for 
example, you wanted to give a plumber or electrician or a friend access to your 
house without giving them a permanent code, you could set up a one-time code 
and once it got used once it would no longer work. Of course with a smartlock 
this functionality is even further expanded, you can give your dog walker who 
picks up your dog every weekday between 8 and 8:30 AM a code which only works 
during that time or you could simply ask them to call you when they are at the 
door and you can then unlock the door remotely.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and accessible 
app?

Hello Folks,
Since I have the tendency to lock myself out from time to time, I thought I 
should explore the possibility of getting a door lock that works on 
fingerprint.  But It must have a Bluetooth connection to the phone so that I 
can do the settings, or change them when I want to, provided that the App is 
accessible with voiceover..
Are you guys aware of any such product?

Cheers,

Cris


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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Goodness gracious me I wasn't aware I'd walked into a pop quiz on semantics 
this night (laughs). While it's true there are early termination fees with 
these perhaps more aptly termed plans or contracts as you say since I hadn't 
plans to switch carriers or the like they work for me. This year I'll pay 
precisely $444 for the use of my device for 12 months plus its associated 
sales taxes. the other associated costs of my plan such as line charges data 
and other sundry surcharges levied upon us by governmental entities would 
remain as they are regardless.
I only used the term lease for in my estimation that which I'm doing with my 
device is no different than that which those I know who lease vehicles are 
doing in essence hence the use albeit not so precise terminology.  I hope 
that clarifies.  By no means am I saying this is the best option for anyone 
merely that which I chose and mentioned in the context of explaining why my 
battery issues might not mirror those of others due to their age.

Take good care.
  Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan,
and one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.

What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now.
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were
the device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and
never in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in
(smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new
windows and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy me
an iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to
say I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as
it's my beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one single
problem or displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my
units are usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older
batteries either.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was
fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150
to get repaired.

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with
the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually
have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 

Phone pricing/upgrading, was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The fact is that if you upgrade every year one way or another the carrier or 
Apple or whoever flips the bill on the phone will make you pay and just like a 
Casino, the house always wins. I guess if a new phone every year is your thing 
then it's probably worth it for you. Since I bought my first iPhone 4 in 2010 I 
upgraded once the next year and that was in 2011 when the iPhone 4S with SIRI 
came out. After that I always kept my phone for 2 years, my next on was a 5S in 
2013 and then a 6S Plus in 2015. This time for the first time I am keeping my 
6S Plus for a third year and given how much I like that phone, how well it 
works and considering that at some point this year I'll pay Apple the $35 
Canadian to get a new battery put in I might very well keep it for a fourth 
year when this fall comes around. Apple must do something pretty cool this fall 
to make me upgrade, yes, wireless charging is tempting, but while Face Id is 
cool, I also really like Touch Id and how it allows me to unlock my phone while 
it's in my belt holster or inside my jacket pocket.
As the phones mature and truly revolutionary designs and features don't happen 
as often I find the need to upgrade less urgent. My wife has a 6S and we are 
both out of contract and with an MVNO here in Canada, Koodo, where we have 
unlimited Canada wide calling and texting along with basic voice mail and 6 Gb 
of data each for $49 + taxes, total of $54.88. Recently all 3 of the large 
carriers, Rogers, Bell and Telus, offered a promo which lasted only a few days 
and for $60 you were able to get the unlimited calling and texting along with 
10 Gb of data which isn't bad at all, but we rarely use even 2 Gb a month 
unless we are away for a longer period of time and even then 6 Gb is quite a 
bit. The usual price here in Canada for something like what we have is at least 
$30 a month more if you are on a 2-year contract, this means over 2 years that 
is 720 and if I keep my phone for a third year that goes up to $1,080 which 
means I save the full purchase price of an iPhone 8 in that time. 

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan, and 
one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.

What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now. 
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby 
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Victor Gouveia
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message-
From: Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were the 
device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and never 
in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in (smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new windows 
and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy me an 
iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to say 
I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as it's my 
beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one single problem or 
displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my units are 
usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older batteries either.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and accessible app?

[Cris Ali]

Hello Folks,
Since I have the tendency to lock myself out from time to time, I thought I 
should explore the possibility of getting a door lock that works on 
fingerprint.  But It must have a Bluetooth connection to the phone so that I 
can do the settings, or change them when I want to, provided that the App is 
accessible with voiceover..
Are you guys aware of any such product?

Cheers,

Cris


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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Victor Gouveia]

Those are not leases, those are commitments and usually go with plans.

I was under the impression these device leases were separate from the plan, 
and one gets to upgrade every year or new release, which ever comes first.


What you describe is no different from the contracts currently offered now. 
Is this new terminology being used for commitments or contracts?


Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were
the device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and
never in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in
(smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new
windows and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy me
an iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to
say I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as
it's my beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one single
problem or displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my
units are usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older
batteries either.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was
fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150
to get repaired.

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with
the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually
have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where
devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off,
there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so
leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.
Original message:

Hello everyone





Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
the time?



I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.



I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
it off if I had to go out somewhere.



Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
either good: or bad for the overall 

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
It is through my carrier Many of the carriers in the USA offer plans whereby 
you can make monthly payments and either upgrade after 12 or 24 months.

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were
the device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and
never in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in
(smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new
windows and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy me
an iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to
say I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as
it's my beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one single
problem or displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my
units are usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older
batteries either.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was
fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150
to get repaired.

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with
the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually
have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where
devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off,
there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so
leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.
Original message:

Hello everyone





Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
the time?



I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.



I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
it off if I had to go out somewhere.



Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.



Daniel



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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[lenron brown]

I do the same thing from T-Mobile I just ended up paying off my IPhone
though. My next couple devices I might just switch up each year. It
really depends on how much I like whatever phone I get next. I don't
over think the price because if I truly had to buy it out in one go, I
would probably just save. Luckly this is not an issue.

On 1/12/18, Victor Gouveia  wrote:
> Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?
>
> Victor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robin Frost
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Hi,
> Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were
> the device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front
> and
> never in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in
> (smile).
> If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new
> windows and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
> Robin
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy
> me
> an iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Robin Frost
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> Hi,
> While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to
> say I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as
> it's my beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one
> single
> problem or displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my
> units are usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older
> batteries either.
> Robin
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: MamaPeach
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one
> was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I
> had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me
> keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else
> would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else
> could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was
> fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150
> to get repaired.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house
> and
> the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it
> still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
> As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with
> the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually
> have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where
> devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time
>
> It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion
> batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off,
> there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so
> leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.
> Original message:
>> Hello everyone
>
>
>
>> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
>> the time?
>
>> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
>> charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.
>
>> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
>> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
>> it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
>> it off if I had to go out somewhere.
>
>> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
>> either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.
>
>> Daniel
>
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>> the owners or 

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Victor Gouveia]

Robin, is this leasing plan from the manufacturer or the carrier?

Victor

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were
the device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and
never in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in
(smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new
windows and siding when you win how's that (smile)?
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy me
an iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to
say I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as
it's my beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one single
problem or displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my
units are usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older
batteries either.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was
fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150
to get repaired.

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with
the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually
have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where
devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.

Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off,
there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so
leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.
Original message:

Hello everyone





Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
the time?



I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.



I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
it off if I had to go out somewhere.



Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.



Daniel



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Re: Options to replace Skype for landline call

[Kelly Pierce]

A good Skype alternative is Google Hangouts. First, you should get a
free Google voice number, which will be attached to your Google
account and your Hangouts profile.  Then download the app and login.
You will then be able to call any number in the United States or
Canada, including Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, free of charge.
I believe it might be possible to do this without a Google Voice
number, but it could get confusing whether you are getting calls from
Hangouts or your regular phone.

Hangouts runs on a data connection, which is great if you have Wi-Fi
access such as on a ship or in a below ground space.  The dial pad is
accessible the last time I checked.

Kelly


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> Hi Kathy,
>
> If this work-around with using the phone in landscape mode works for you I'd
> say Skype is still one of your best and cheapest options. For me this
> work-around is perfectly acceptable, of course that doesn't mean Microsoft
> shouldn't fix this and hopefully they will. Skype 8.x really was a step
> backward, it used to be that the DialPad worked just as in the Phone app
> which means touching and lifting your finger dialed the number, now you have
> to double tap or split tap.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Kathy Brandt
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 6:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Options to replace Skype for landline call
>
> Going on a cruise to the Bahamas in April, and would occasionally like to
> call land lines at home, which proved invaluable on my last trip when my
> roommate needed to get in touch with someone, and when I of a sudden I had
> to clear up a small thing with my bank. I live in the US.
>
>
>> On Jan 11, 2018, at 9:08 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>>
>> what country are you in when placing the calls and what country are
>> you calling?  this is an international list and it is impossible to
>> answer your question without more information.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>> On 1/11/18, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
>>> Are there any? Sometimes when away, need to make calls that aren’t in
>>> my contacts.
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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Hardly (laughs). I just use one of the plans that let you lease as it were 
the device and upgrade annually so I don't have to pay anything up front and 
never in fact reach paying the entire cost of one before trading it in 
(smile).
If I win the lottery I'll buy you an iPhone annually if you buy me new 
windows and siding when you win how's that (smile)?

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy me 
an iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*



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Of Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to 
say I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as 
it's my beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one single 
problem or displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my 
units are usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older 
batteries either.

Robin


-Original Message-
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one 
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I 
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me 
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else 
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else 
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was 
fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150 
to get repaired.


-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and 
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it 
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with 
the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually 
have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where 
devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.


Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Arrigo

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, 
there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so 
leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.

Original message:

Hello everyone





Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
the time?



I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.



I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
it off if I had to go out somewhere.



Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.



Daniel



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New Battery Technology - Was: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Bill Gallik]

Last winter I read an article in Science News concerning the 
soon-to-be-on-the-market new battery technologies.  If memory serves me, one of 
these technologies is a Sodium-Ion battery.  There was a second very promising 
technology also being touted; this one was some sort of 
Lithium-Something-or-other technology.  Hmmm, maybe it was Lithium-Sodium but I 
don’t remember - suppose I should go do some googling before posting such an 
e-mail.

But, the gist of that article is that are new battery technologies coming down 
the pike that will offer significantly more charge retention and recharge 
cycles than even the current Lithium-Ion technology.  The rub, these 
technologies needed to pass the safety thresh-hold where they do not blow up or 
break into fire.  After reading that article, I marveled that even our familiar 
Lithium-Ion batteries are not more volatile; but that technology has passed the 
fore-mentioned safety test for the most part.  The batteries that were breaking 
into flame were indeed faulty construction not maintaining appropriate 
isolation between the Lithium and Ion components.

I just this might be of interest considering the thread from whence this 
appeared.


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Accessible Fruit Machine

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


I was wondering, does anyone here play accessible fruit machine?


It was only a dollar, so I grabbed it. But I don't get exactly how it works.

I am assuming you want to get 3 of the same fruits in a row?


Any help would be appreciated.


Thank you,


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Re: Taking a screenshot

[alex]

It’s not an iPhone10.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 12 Jan 2018, at 16:59, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Except if it's an iPhone X, then it's a different button combination as there 
> is no more home button.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> the home and power button.
> 
>> On 1/12/18, alex  wrote:
>> Can someone please remind me how to take a screenshot in ios11!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hey Robin, a new iPhone every year, you must be loaded, how about you buy me an 
iPhone X, 256 Gb please *smile*


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to say 
I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as it's my 
beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one single problem or 
displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my units are 
usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older batteries either.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one was 
a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I had them 
both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me keeping the 
device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else would the battery 
swell on two different generations of iPods? What else could have caused it if 
not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was fairly new. I wanted to get 
them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150 to get repaired.

-Original Message-
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and 
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it still 
holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with the 
battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually have 
happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where devices which 
weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.

Regards,
Sieghard


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Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, there 
is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so leaving 
it connected to a charger should be fine.
Original message:
> Hello everyone



> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all 
> the time?

> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
> charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.

> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving 
> it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take 
> it off if I had to go out somewhere.

> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is 
> either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.

> Daniel

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RE: Bathroom scales for iOS in kg's?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Adam,

All smartscales can be set to give weight in pounds or Kg.
There are a lot of them out there, Fitbit has them as does Qardio, Withings 
which now is Nokia Health etc. I have what used to be the Withings Body Plus I 
think and it works well. I would probably want to make sure whichever one you 
get complies with Apple’s Health Kit so you can connect it to the Health app.
The new Nokia Health app is relatively accessible, many apps could be better, 
but it’s useable.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:37 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Bathroom scales for iOS in kg's?


Hi all,

Wondering if anyone knows of bathroom scales that can be linked to your iPhone 
and gives the weight in kg since I'm in Australia.



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Hi all,

Wondering if anyone knows of bathroom scales that can be linked to your 
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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
While I don't dispute that which was said by an employee of Apple I have to 
say I have an iPhone here that spends most of its life on its charger as 
it's my beta testing unit and for the past 18 months it's had not one single 
problem or displayed any evidence of swelling. I should also note that my 
units are usually upgraded annually so I'm never working with older 
batteries either.

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: MamaPeach

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was
fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150
to get repaired.

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with
the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually
have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where
devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.

Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off,
there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so
leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.
Original message:

Hello everyone





Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
the time?



I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.



I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
it off if I had to go out somewhere.



Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.



Daniel



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RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Chip Orange]

And of course, a single person's experience proves nothing either way when 
answering a question such as this.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 6:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

As Sieghard mentioned re the Samsung Note 7, what could have caused it was a 
flaw in the design or the quality of the battery which was supplied.  I am not 
sure which was the real cause in the Samsung incident, but it happene inspite 
of using Lithium batteries, not because of (with your iPods I mean), so there 
was a manufacturing flaw somewhere.

Chip


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one 
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I 
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me 
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else 
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else 
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was 
fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150 
to get repaired.

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and 
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it 
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with 
the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually 
have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where 
devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.

Regards,
Sieghard


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Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, 
there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so 
leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.
Original message:
> Hello everyone



> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
> the time?

> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
> charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.

> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
> it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
> it off if I had to go out somewhere.

> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
> either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.

> Daniel

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RE: Hang outs

[Chip Orange]

Yes, I did try the Google hangout software for an iPhone to Android video call 
chat ... then Google came out with a specific app to do just this (called 
Google Duo), so I think it's likely to be better to use it for cross-platform 
video calls rather than Google Hangouts.

Chip


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Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 1:05 PM
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Subject: Hang outs

Hello everyone,


I have been asked a couple of times now, if I can chat, using Hang Outs.


So I was wondering, with an iPhone is this at all possible?


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Chip Orange]

As Sieghard mentioned re the Samsung Note 7, what could have caused it was a 
flaw in the design or the quality of the battery which was supplied.  I am not 
sure which was the real cause in the Samsung incident, but it happene inspite 
of using Lithium batteries, not because of (with your iPods I mean), so there 
was a manufacturing flaw somewhere.

Chip


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
MamaPeach
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one 
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I 
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me 
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else 
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else 
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was 
fairly new. I wanted to get them both fixed, but just the one cost me $150 
to get repaired.

-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and 
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it 
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with 
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have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where 
devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.

Regards,
Sieghard


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Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, 
there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so 
leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.
Original message:
> Hello everyone



> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
> the time?

> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
> charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.

> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
> it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
> it off if I had to go out somewhere.

> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
> either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.

> Daniel

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RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Chip Orange]

I think the very first iPhone was using Lithium batteries, and by then most 
rechargables, so perhaps 10 yearss?  Has it been that long since the iPhone was 
introduced?

Chip


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Daniel McGee
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

That sounds great! How long have we been using lithium Ion for now compared to 
the other type of battery mike mentioned? 



> On 12 Jan 2018, at 20:15, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
> batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, there 
> is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so leaving 
> it connected to a charger should be fine.
> Original message:
>> Hello everyone
> 
> 
> 
>> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all the 
>> time?
> 
>> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: charge 
>> cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.
> 
>> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
>> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving it on 
>> the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take it off if I 
>> had to go out somewhere.
> 
>> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is either 
>> good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.
> 
>> Daniel
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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[MamaPeach]

This actually happened with two of my iPods, one was a 5 generation and one 
was a 6, I had the 6th generation one fixed, but not the 5th generation. I 
had them both plugged up most of the time and the tech said that it was me 
keeping the device plugged up all the time that was the problem. Why else 
would the battery swell on two different generations of iPods? What else 
could have caused it if not keeping them plugged up? The 6th generation was 
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to get repaired.


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and 
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it 
still holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with 
the battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually 
have happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where 
devices which weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Of Mike Arrigo

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, 
there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so 
leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.

Original message:

Hello everyone





Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all
the time?



I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many:
charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.



I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the
device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving
it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take
it off if I had to go out somewhere.



Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is
either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.



Daniel



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Watch series 2 very sluggish lately

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi all,

Since watch OS 4 and maybe even more after some of the incremental updates to 
4.1 or 4.2 my watch series 2 is very slow to wake. I tap the screen and only 
hear a ding if I flick left and right. It's often impossible to quickly read a 
notification etc. Is this happening to anyone else? Any solution? 
I know that older devices get slower as you update os but I would have hoped 
that the watch does not suffer same fate in such an extreme fashion. 
Thanks for your help and comments,


Ioana


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Re: Pairing braille note

[regina alvarado]

Thank you so much. As I said, there was no problem doing it that way, but it 
was curious. 

Another question: In mail, is there a command to flip messages in a thread or 
should I make mail individual? I sure am loving reading books with the Note. 
Most of the time I use only my phone, but after I finally understood how to get 
it going I am enjoying the braille sometimes. Oh, a shout-out to Apple 
Accessibility. I called them because I was getting a message my BN was not 
supported. The first thing said after I explained my problem was I should try 
re-pairing completely as it was a new phone. It worked! Had no idea about this 
and thought all things my 7 did after being transferred over to 8 Plus would be 
automatic. Learning still about all this stuff!

Reggie and Lex

On Jan 11, 2018, at 11:59 PM, Shai  wrote:

Hello Regina,
This is not an oddity, but rather how iOS is supposed to work. If you
are pairing an ordinary Bluetooth device such as a speaker or airpods,
you would go into settings/Bluetooth. If you are pairing a braille
device such as the Apex, you would go into
settings/general/accessibility/VoiceOver/braille and pair it from
there. Even if the device has been disconnected, you would pair from
within this area.




> On 1/11/18, regina alvarado  wrote:
> I have no problem pairing the BN, but on the phone under bluetooth are a
> list of devices. I cannot tap on Apex there but only by going to
> accessibility, voice over and then braille. It shows my apex and when I tap
> on it I am paired. No problem, just an oddity.
> 
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Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Yes perhaps, but it took two days before it sorted itself out.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 12 Jan 2018, at 21:01, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Exactly what Anne was saying all along *smile*
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
>  
> Hello,
>  
> Just a quick update to say that the problem appears to have rectified itself. 
>  The watch now connects to my Wi-Fi with the iPhone turned off.
>  
> Not sure why I have left it alone for a couple of hours and it works like a 
> charm.
>  
> Have a good weekend, with special thanks for Anna for her help.
>  
> Malcolm
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 12 Jan 2018, at 16:55, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> This is wat Apple say:
>  
> If compatible Wi-Fi is available and a Bluetooth connection to the
> paired iPhone is not available, then Apple Watch - including first
> generation models - will use Wi-Fi instead.
> The watch can connect to a Wi-Fi network if the network is
> 802.11b/g/n 2.4GHz and the paired iPhone, while connected to
> the watch via Bluetooth, has connected to that network before.
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Joney
> Sent: 12 January 2018 16:29
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
>  
> I know the Apple Watch three desk. It has its own phone position, so you 
> would be using the phones data or something along those lines. But I’ve never 
> seen the series to do it on its own. I’ll have to look into it.
> 
> Joney
> talk2o...@gmail.com
> "If God can bring you to it, 
> He will lead you through it."  
> 
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:52 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, thanks.
>  
> I understand what you are saying but having listened to David Woodbridge’s 
> podcasts on the Applevis site he demonstrates that the Apple Watch has some 
> connectivity with a wireless network when his iPhone is turned off.
>  
> Confused.
>  
> Malcolm
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Joney
> Sent: 12 January 2018 15:45
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
>  
> You have to leave Bluetooth on the telephone on to run you watch with the 
> Wi-Fi. It connects to the Wi-Fi through your telephone. I also have series 2, 
> my phone is a 7+ and I’m running the same software you are. As long as your 
> watch is near your phone, within 30 feet, it runs fine. As long as your 
> Bluetooth. Turn off your Bluetooth and it’s gone. That helps.
> 
> Joney
> talk2o...@gmail.com
> "If God can bring you to it, 
> He will lead you through it."  
> 
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna,
> 
> Still no luck I'm afraid.  Here's what I have tried so far.
> 
> I am using an Apple series2 Watch.  I am using the watch with an iPhone7.
> 
> The watch is running watch OS4.2 and the iPhone is running iOS 11.2.
> 
> Both devices are talking to each other and data is synchronised between them.
> 
> The watch can send and receive e-mail and message and the calendar has the 
> data retrieved from my iCloud account.
> 
> However, if I turn Bluetooth off on the iPhone the watch loses all 
> connectivity with the outside world.
> 
> Siri says that it has no connection for example when not connected to the 
> iPhone.
> 
> I have tried the following to solve the problem.
> 
> Firstly, disabling Bluetooth on the iPhone and getting it to forget the 
> wireless network.  I then reconnected to my 2.4GHz network and enabled 
> Bluetooth.  The watch works fine until I again disable Bluetooth.
> 
> I then removed the watch from my Cloud account and signed out on the iPhone 
> too.
> 
> Signing back and adding the watch again did not solve the problem.
> 
> It looks as though the wireless settings are not being copied from the iPhone 
> to the watch for some reason.  
> 
> Secondly what apps support Andoff between the watch and iPhone?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Malcolm
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: 11 January 2018 15:14
> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
> 
> Hi Malcolm,
> 
> I would suggest letting the devices connect for a little while. It may take a 
> few minutes for the Wi-Fi info on the phone to be copied to the watch.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 11, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>  
> Hello Anna,
>  
> Still no luck with getting the Apple Watch to connect wirelessly.
>  
> I have turned off the Apple Watch then 

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[regina alvarado]

technically this is not a battery question but connected. I bought an ankor 
charger when I had my iPhone 7. It was about as big as a candy bar. If I didn't 
use it to charge my 7 during the day, I left it plugged in (only because I 
usually forgot to take it out). When I got my 8 Plus I began to notice I would 
only get about 40 percent charge. Eventually I bought a bigger charger which 
does a fantastic job, just a bit larger than the other one. Did I get less life 
from the charger because there is a bigger battery in the 8 Plus or did I wear 
it down by keeping it plugged? My roommate has it now, and her phone is an 
Android only about 1 inch smaller around the case. Thank goodness it is working 
beautifully for her so I kind of know the answer or what I think it is. Glad I 
could get more use out of it, though.

Reggie and Lex

On Jan 12, 2018, at 3:55 PM, Daniel McGee  wrote:

That sounds great! How long have we been using lithium Ion for now compared to 
the other type of battery mike mentioned? 



> On 12 Jan 2018, at 20:15, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
> batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, there 
> is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so leaving 
> it connected to a charger should be fine.
> Original message:
>> Hello everyone
> 
> 
> 
>> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all the 
>> time?
> 
>> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: charge 
>> cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.
> 
>> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
>> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving it on 
>> the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take it off if I 
>> had to go out somewhere.
> 
>> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is either 
>> good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.
> 
>> Daniel
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RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Sieghard Weitzel]

My laptop is always plugged in since I rarely use it away from the house and 
the same was true with my previousl laptop and even after over 5 years it still 
holds a decent charge when I do unplug it.
As other said, modern batteries can handle this easily and the problem with the 
battery that swelled surely was a different issue and would eventually have 
happened regardless. After all look at the Note 7 disaster where devices which 
weren't even plugged in at all burst into flames.

Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, there 
is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so leaving 
it connected to a charger should be fine.
Original message:
> Hello everyone



> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all 
> the time?

> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: 
> charge cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.

> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving 
> it on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take 
> it off if I had to go out somewhere.

> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is 
> either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.

> Daniel

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RE: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Exactly what Anne was saying all along *smile*


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Malcolm Parfitt
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

Hello,

Just a quick update to say that the problem appears to have rectified itself.  
The watch now connects to my Wi-Fi with the iPhone turned off.

Not sure why I have left it alone for a couple of hours and it works like a 
charm.

Have a good weekend, with special thanks for Anna for her help.

Malcolm
Sent from my iPhone

On 12 Jan 2018, at 16:55, Malcolm Parfitt 
> wrote:
This is wat Apple say:

If compatible Wi-Fi is available and a Bluetooth connection to the
paired iPhone is not available, then Apple Watch - including first
generation models - will use Wi-Fi instead.
The watch can connect to a Wi-Fi network if the network is
802.11b/g/n 2.4GHz and the paired iPhone, while connected to
the watch via Bluetooth, has connected to that network before.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joney
Sent: 12 January 2018 16:29
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

I know the Apple Watch three desk. It has its own phone position, so you would 
be using the phones data or something along those lines. But I’ve never seen 
the series to do it on its own. I’ll have to look into it.
Joney
talk2o...@gmail.com
"If God can bring you to it,
He will lead you through it."

On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:52 AM, Malcolm Parfitt 
> wrote:
Hi there, thanks.

I understand what you are saying but having listened to David Woodbridge’s 
podcasts on the Applevis site he demonstrates that the Apple Watch has some 
connectivity with a wireless network when his iPhone is turned off.

Confused.

Malcolm

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joney
Sent: 12 January 2018 15:45
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

You have to leave Bluetooth on the telephone on to run you watch with the 
Wi-Fi. It connects to the Wi-Fi through your telephone. I also have series 2, 
my phone is a 7+ and I’m running the same software you are. As long as your 
watch is near your phone, within 30 feet, it runs fine. As long as your 
Bluetooth. Turn off your Bluetooth and it’s gone. That helps.
Joney
talk2o...@gmail.com
"If God can bring you to it,
He will lead you through it."

On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Malcolm Parfitt 
> wrote:
Hi Anna,

Still no luck I'm afraid.  Here's what I have tried so far.

I am using an Apple series2 Watch.  I am using the watch with an iPhone7.

The watch is running watch OS4.2 and the iPhone is running iOS 11.2.

Both devices are talking to each other and data is synchronised between them.

The watch can send and receive e-mail and message and the calendar has the data 
retrieved from my iCloud account.

However, if I turn Bluetooth off on the iPhone the watch loses all connectivity 
with the outside world.

Siri says that it has no connection for example when not connected to the 
iPhone.

I have tried the following to solve the problem.

Firstly, disabling Bluetooth on the iPhone and getting it to forget the 
wireless network.  I then reconnected to my 2.4GHz network and enabled 
Bluetooth.  The watch works fine until I again disable Bluetooth.

I then removed the watch from my Cloud account and signed out on the iPhone too.

Signing back and adding the watch again did not solve the problem.

It looks as though the wireless settings are not being copied from the iPhone 
to the watch for some reason.

Secondly what apps support Andoff between the watch and iPhone?

Thanks.

Malcolm



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: 11 January 2018 15:14
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>
Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

Hi Malcolm,

I would suggest letting the devices connect for a little while. It may take a 
few minutes for the Wi-Fi info on the phone to be copied to the watch.

Best,
Anna







On Jan 11, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Malcolm Parfitt 
> wrote:

Hello Anna,

Still no luck with getting the Apple Watch to connect wirelessly.

I have turned off the Apple Watch then asked my iPhone to forget all its 
wireless networks.  I then turned off Bluetooth on the iPhone.  I 

Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Daniel McGee]

That sounds great! How long have we been using lithium Ion for now compared to 
the other type of battery mike mentioned? 



> On 12 Jan 2018, at 20:15, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium ion 
> batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns off, there 
> is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of batteries, so leaving 
> it connected to a charger should be fine.
> Original message:
>> Hello everyone
> 
> 
> 
>> Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all the 
>> time?
> 
>> I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: charge 
>> cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.
> 
>> I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
>> device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving it on 
>> the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take it off if I 
>> had to go out somewhere.
> 
>> Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is either 
>> good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.
> 
>> Daniel
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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Mike Arrigo]

It could harm older battery technologies such as NICD, but with lithium 
ion batteries, when the battery is charged, the charging circuit turns 
off, there is no such thing as a trickle charge for these kinds of 
batteries, so leaving it connected to a charger should be fine.

Original message:

Hello everyone




Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all 
the time?


I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: charge 
cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.


I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving it 
on the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take it 
off if I had to go out somewhere.


Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is 
either good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.



Daniel



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Re: on the market for a new bluetooth keyboard

[kelby carlson]

Are there any keyboards that come with cases? If not, what are good cases for 
non-foldable keyboards?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 12, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> I forgot to say that the Matias pairs with up to 4 devices.
>  
> Andy
>  
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> Subject: Re: on the market for a new bluetooth keyboard
> 
> I use a Logitech Easy Switch.  It can charge by USB and be paired with three 
> different devices.  You can switch between them with F1 through F3.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Hi all.  I’m on the market for a new Bluetooth keyboard.  I’ve heard about 
>> the IClever foldable one but don’t know how easy it is to pare.  I have the 
>> amazon one but the I is not working on it any longer.  So with that in mind 
>> what keyboard do you recommend?  I’d like one with normal size keys and one 
>> that can charge via USB.  Thanks. 
>> Rebecca and guide dog Zeb
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Re: on the market for a new bluetooth keyboard

[Andy Baracco]

I forgot to say that the Matias pairs with up to 4 devices.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ryan Mann 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:27 AM
  Subject: Re: on the market for a new bluetooth keyboard


  I use a Logitech Easy Switch.  It can charge by USB and be paired with three 
different devices.  You can switch between them with F1 through F3.


  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jan 12, 2018, at 5:54 AM, Rebecca Ilniski  wrote:


Hi all.  I’m on the market for a new Bluetooth keyboard.  I’ve heard about 
the IClever foldable one but don’t know how easy it is to pare.  I have the 
amazon one but the I is not working on it any longer.  So with that in mind 
what keyboard do you recommend?  I’d like one with normal size keys and one 
that can charge via USB.  Thanks.  



Rebecca and guide dog Zeb

Email: rilni...@gmail.com

Twitter: applegirl1994


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Re: on the market for a new bluetooth keyboard

[Andy Baracco]

I like the Matias keyboard available from AT Guys.
note that it is not foldable. It is a full size keyboard with separate numpad. 
It very much resembles the Apple keyboard. AT Guys sells it for $99.
www.atguys.com


  - Original Message - 
  From: Rebecca Ilniski 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 2:54 AM
  Subject: on the market for a new bluetooth keyboard


  Hi all.  I’m on the market for a new Bluetooth keyboard.  I’ve heard about 
the IClever foldable one but don’t know how easy it is to pare.  I have the 
amazon one but the I is not working on it any longer.  So with that in mind 
what keyboard do you recommend?  I’d like one with normal size keys and one 
that can charge via USB.  Thanks.  

   

  Rebecca and guide dog Zeb

  Email: rilni...@gmail.com

  Twitter: applegirl1994


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RE: I'm never upgrading my iPhone again, and you may not want to either, Mashable

[Chip Orange]

It's not a bad theory, but I think it's just caused by an aging battery, and 
constantly being asked to do more (more apps, more features in the latest ios 
release), all while the battery is marginal at best.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 6:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm never upgrading my iPhone again, and you may not want to 
either, Mashable

With mine, it works like a charm with iOS11.2.2! My theory behind these 
supposed upgrade troubles is logical: since usually the iPhones are bought and 
begin there use since when Apple releases them (take the 5s released 
September2013 with iOS7 I think), after 4 years of use, accumulated update 
processes…, trash is left behind, making phones slow, thus getting the false 
imprission that its slowness is because of iOS11. I’ve mine since November2017 
brand new, and works great. Does ny theory nake sense?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel

El 10/01/2018, a la(s) 12:37 a. m., Eric Oyen  escribió:

> well,
> I have an iPhone 5 here and it won't upgrade past 10.3.x. It states that it's 
> software is up to date. What is real interesting is that I can leave it alone 
> for 3 or 4 days before I need to recharge it. my iPhone 7s running latest iOS 
> has to be charged twice a day (but then again, I put it through considerably 
> more use).
> 
> 
> -eric
>> On Jan 9, 2018, at 7:46 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>> I'm never upgrading my iPhone again, and you may not want to either
>> By Monica Chin, Dec 22, 2017
>> 
>> In the past few months, Apple has released frequent updates to iOS 11.
>> Should you upgrade? For most people, it's a personal preference, but there
>> are some people who should definitely steer clear. 
>> I've owned an iPhone 6 for the past two years. When Apple released iOS 11 in
>> early September, I was still using iOS 9, and my phone was still running
>> like new. 
>> 
>> I held off on upgrading to iOS 11 for as long as I could, worried about
>> rumors I'd heard that it would decrease my outdated phone's performance.
>> Eventually, however, I gave in to pressure from friends and colleagues,
>> plugged my phone in, and upgraded. 
>> My phone's performance and battery life were immediately reduced to shells
>> of their former selves. I now need to charge my phone about three times a
>> day, it shuts down without warning, and it crashes when I have too many apps
>> running.  
>> 
>> So it goes without saying that it might not be the best decision to upgrade
>> to the newest version of iOS for everyone, security risks be damned. The
>> first group who shouldn't upgrade: Jailbreakers. 
>> I've never jailbroken my phone, mostly because it sounds like a lot of work,
>> but a number of my friends are incredibly loyal to the procedure. It's not
>> yet possible to jailbreak a device running iOS 11, though that's in the
>> works. 
>> 
>> The second and much larger group is people like me who have an older device
>> (two more more models behind the current flagship) who are happy with its
>> current performance. 
>> Updating your phone is a gamble, and the odds aren't even. Decreased battery
>> life, keyboard bugs, and general performance glitches are always a risk. But
>> the reward stays the same, while the risk gets higher, the older your phone
>> is. If you're happy with the way your phone is running, there's little need
>> to take that risk. 
>> 
>> It is worth noting one major point here: iOS updates do carry important
>> security features, and fix vulnerabilities that could compromise your
>> device. It's worth reading up on these fixes, and factoring them into your
>> decision. In some cases, it will be worth the risk of avoiding the update.
>> 
>> For example, iOS 11 fixed the KRACK vulnerability, but that was already very
>> difficult for hackers to exploit. And given the speed at which Apple has
>> been rolling out iOS updates lately, and then more rushed updates to fix the
>> bugs in those updates, it's not unthinkable that an update could bring new
>> vulnerabilities too, as we saw with macOS High Sierra. 
>> 
>> If you're happy with your older iPhone, it's fine to leave it be. Forbes
>> reports that the happiest users of older phones still use some variation of
>> iOS 10, or even iOS 9. 
>> At the very least, don't update immediately after the rollout. Sit back for
>> a few weeks, keep an eye on the news, and see what vulnerabilities and bugs
>> arise. Once you have all the facts, you can decide whether to take the leap.
>> 
>> 
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RE: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Chip Orange]

No, not with lithium batteries and sophisticated chargers of today ... they 
don't even start charging until your battery to depleted down to a preset level 
to avoid this very issue ... the phone will just operate off of the charger's 
power if the battery is above the preset threshhold for charging.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Daniel McGee
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hello everyone 



Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all the 
time? 

I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: charge cycles 
before they can't hold a charge anymore. 

I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the device 
but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving it on the charger 
for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take it off if I had to go out 
somewhere. 

Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is either 
good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery. 

Daniel 

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Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Hello,

Just a quick update to say that the problem appears to have rectified itself.  
The watch now connects to my Wi-Fi with the iPhone turned off.

Not sure why I have left it alone for a couple of hours and it works like a 
charm.

Have a good weekend, with special thanks for Anna for her help.

Malcolm

Sent from my iPhone

> On 12 Jan 2018, at 16:55, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> This is wat Apple say:
>  
> If compatible Wi-Fi is available and a Bluetooth connection to the
> paired iPhone is not available, then Apple Watch - including first
> generation models - will use Wi-Fi instead.
> The watch can connect to a Wi-Fi network if the network is
> 802.11b/g/n 2.4GHz and the paired iPhone, while connected to
> the watch via Bluetooth, has connected to that network before.
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Joney
> Sent: 12 January 2018 16:29
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
>  
> I know the Apple Watch three desk. It has its own phone position, so you 
> would be using the phones data or something along those lines. But I’ve never 
> seen the series to do it on its own. I’ll have to look into it.
> 
> Joney
> talk2o...@gmail.com
> "If God can bring you to it, 
> He will lead you through it."  
> 
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:52 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, thanks.
>  
> I understand what you are saying but having listened to David Woodbridge’s 
> podcasts on the Applevis site he demonstrates that the Apple Watch has some 
> connectivity with a wireless network when his iPhone is turned off.
>  
> Confused.
>  
> Malcolm
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Joney
> Sent: 12 January 2018 15:45
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
>  
> You have to leave Bluetooth on the telephone on to run you watch with the 
> Wi-Fi. It connects to the Wi-Fi through your telephone. I also have series 2, 
> my phone is a 7+ and I’m running the same software you are. As long as your 
> watch is near your phone, within 30 feet, it runs fine. As long as your 
> Bluetooth. Turn off your Bluetooth and it’s gone. That helps.
> 
> Joney
> talk2o...@gmail.com
> "If God can bring you to it, 
> He will lead you through it."  
> 
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna,
> 
> Still no luck I'm afraid.  Here's what I have tried so far.
> 
> I am using an Apple series2 Watch.  I am using the watch with an iPhone7.
> 
> The watch is running watch OS4.2 and the iPhone is running iOS 11.2.
> 
> Both devices are talking to each other and data is synchronised between them.
> 
> The watch can send and receive e-mail and message and the calendar has the 
> data retrieved from my iCloud account.
> 
> However, if I turn Bluetooth off on the iPhone the watch loses all 
> connectivity with the outside world.
> 
> Siri says that it has no connection for example when not connected to the 
> iPhone.
> 
> I have tried the following to solve the problem.
> 
> Firstly, disabling Bluetooth on the iPhone and getting it to forget the 
> wireless network.  I then reconnected to my 2.4GHz network and enabled 
> Bluetooth.  The watch works fine until I again disable Bluetooth.
> 
> I then removed the watch from my Cloud account and signed out on the iPhone 
> too.
> 
> Signing back and adding the watch again did not solve the problem.
> 
> It looks as though the wireless settings are not being copied from the iPhone 
> to the watch for some reason.  
> 
> Secondly what apps support Andoff between the watch and iPhone?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Malcolm
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: 11 January 2018 15:14
> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
> 
> Hi Malcolm,
> 
> I would suggest letting the devices connect for a little while. It may take a 
> few minutes for the Wi-Fi info on the phone to be copied to the watch.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 11, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>  
> Hello Anna,
>  
> Still no luck with getting the Apple Watch to connect wirelessly.
>  
> I have turned off the Apple Watch then asked my iPhone to forget all its 
> wireless networks.  I then turned off Bluetooth on the iPhone.  I then 
> reconnected my iPhone with the 2Ghz wireless network then reenabled Bluetooth.
>  
> Finally I restarted the Apple Watch.
>  
> The watch will happily talk to my iPhone but when I turn the iPhone's 
> Bluetooth on the watch will not connect with the outside world.
>  
> Any thoughts from you and others welcome.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Malcolm
>  
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Re: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[MamaPeach]

I left an iPod on to charge all the time and it caused the battery to swlel 
to the point that the device came totally apart, the front detached from the 
back. When I had it fixed, the tech person said it is not recommended to 
leave any device like that plugged in all of the time. So now, I make sure, 
even if the battery runs down to only charge it when it is necessary, when I 
need to use the device.


-Original Message- 
From: Daniel McGee

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

Hello everyone



Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all the 
time?


I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: charge 
cycles before they can't hold a charge anymore.


I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the 
device but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving it on 
the charger for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take it off if I 
had to go out somewhere.


Thanks in advance for anyone who can clear up if leaving on charge is either 
good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery.


Daniel

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Re: Hang outs

[michv]

yes it is possible and verry accessible. from Mich.

-Original Message- 
From: Terri Stimmel

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 1:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Hang outs

Hello everyone,


I have been asked a couple of times now, if I can chat, using Hang Outs.


So I was wondering, with an iPhone is this at all possible?


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: Hang outs

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi, 
Yes, the Hangouts app for iOS is fairly accessible. Just search for Google 
Hangouts on the app store and give it a try. It is free.
HTH,
Aleeha 

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> I have been asked a couple of times now, if I can chat, using Hang Outs.
> 
> 
> So I was wondering, with an iPhone is this at all possible?
> 
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> 
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Hang outs

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


I have been asked a couple of times now, if I can chat, using Hang Outs.


So I was wondering, with an iPhone is this at all possible?


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Harming battery if left on a charger all the time

[Daniel McGee]

Hello everyone 



Does it do more harm than good if I leave my iPhone 8 on a charger all the 
time? 

I have read somewhere that phones and tablets only have so many: charge cycles 
before they can't hold a charge anymore. 

I have been told by apple that they recommend not: fully discharge the device 
but top it up regularly. However, I wasn't sure about leaving it on the charger 
for all of the time. Obviously though, I would take it off if I had to go out 
somewhere. 

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good: or bad for the overall health of an iPhone 8 battery. 

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Re: Here's how to check if your iPhone or iPad is brand new, a replacement unit, or a refurbished model, Redmond Pie

[Anthony Vece]

I didn’t know that.

Thanks
God Bless
Anthony


> On Jan 12, 2018, at 12:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Just because you have Apple Care Plus does not mean if your phone is replaced 
> that the replacement is not a refurbished phone. Fact is that if Apple 
> refurbishes a phone everything that counts like screen, battery etc. is new.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Anthony Vece
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:50 AM
> To: Blind iPhone MailingList 
> Subject: Re: Here's how to check if your iPhone or iPad is brand new, a 
> replacement unit, or a refurbished model, Redmond Pie
> 
> Deidre;
> 
> A replacement phone is just that.  It is not a new phone.
> 
> That’s why I will always subscribe to Apple Care Plus.
> 
> God Bless
> Anthony
> 
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Deidre Muccio  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I checked the model number on my replacement phone and the number started 
>> with the capital letter M. But that doesn't mean that all the parts are 
>> Apple parts as an earlier article that Mark supplied indicated. Certainly 
>> that seems to be the case with this phone because it really does some Corky 
>> little scratchy noise type stuff which none of my phones ever done before. 
>> This is still not perfectly clear. I have a replacement phone through the 
>> company is called something like ensure on which Verizon uses to ensure the 
>> phones that they sell to their customers. They call it a replacement phone. 
>> It does not seem like a new phone although  looks like a new phone or did at 
>> any rate. So a replacement phone is still not going to be a new phone? Is 
>> that   what this article is saying. I was led to believe that the 
>> replacement phones were new but that I guess was quite and erroneous 
>> presumption on my part
>> 
>> Deidre
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> hi.
>>> 
>>> thanks, great post!
>>> 
>>> cheers.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Às 02:48 de 10/01/2018, M. Taylor escreveu:
 How To Check If Your iPhone Is Brand New Or Refurbished Model Here's 
 how to check if your iPhone or iPad is brand new, a replacement 
 unit, or a refurbished model.
 
 There's no additional installations or software required to obtain 
 this information.
 Most of us have likely been in the situation whereby we have 
 purchased a device through a secondary sales channel and then 
 subsequently wondered if we are actually getting what we have been told.
 Where Apple's iPhone is concerned, we could be purchasing a brand 
 new device or a refurbished model. That makes all the difference and 
 affects what we are willing to pay for a phone. With this little 
 trick, you will be able to quickly ascertain the type of device on 
 offer. Let's take a look at the process.
 
 Step 1:
 First of all, you are going to need to have the device charged, 
 powered up, and ready-to-use. Once that's all done, launch the native 
 Settings app.
 
 Step 2:
 There's no additional third-party apps or software required for 
 this. Once in Settings, navigate to General > About. This is where a 
 lot of relevant information about your device is located.
 
 Step 3:
 Scroll down through all of the provided information until you find 
 the label which gives you the device's "Model" number. This will 
 give you a unique number pertaining to that device which either 
 begins with "M", "F", or "N", and then followed by a series of letters and 
 numbers.
 
 Step 4:
 If your Model number starts with the letter "M", then it is a brand 
 new device. If the Model number begins with the letter "F" then it 
 is a refurbished device. And if your Model number starts with a 
 letter "N" then it is a replacement device.
 M = Brand new device
 F = Refurbished device
 N = Replacement device.
 Extremely quick and easy and a sure fire way to tell what type of 
 device you are currently in ownership of. If you are planning on 
 buying something through secondary sales channels, and you are 
 presented with the opportunity to take a look at the Model number, 
 or you can get an unedited screenshot from the seller, then it's a 
 really good and quick way of ascertaining if that person is being honest 
 about the type of device that is being sold.
 
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 What Has Changed
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RE: Here's how to check if your iPhone or iPad is brand new, a replacement unit, or a refurbished model, Redmond Pie

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Just because you have Apple Care Plus does not mean if your phone is replaced 
that the replacement is not a refurbished phone. Fact is that if Apple 
refurbishes a phone everything that counts like screen, battery etc. is new.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 8:50 AM
To: Blind iPhone MailingList 
Subject: Re: Here's how to check if your iPhone or iPad is brand new, a 
replacement unit, or a refurbished model, Redmond Pie

Deidre;

A replacement phone is just that.  It is not a new phone.

That’s why I will always subscribe to Apple Care Plus.

God Bless
Anthony


> On Jan 12, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Deidre Muccio  wrote:
> 
> I checked the model number on my replacement phone and the number started 
> with the capital letter M. But that doesn't mean that all the parts are Apple 
> parts as an earlier article that Mark supplied indicated. Certainly that 
> seems to be the case with this phone because it really does some Corky little 
> scratchy noise type stuff which none of my phones ever done before. This is 
> still not perfectly clear. I have a replacement phone through the company is 
> called something like ensure on which Verizon uses to ensure the phones that 
> they sell to their customers. They call it a replacement phone. It does not 
> seem like a new phone although  looks like a new phone or did at any rate. So 
> a replacement phone is still not going to be a new phone? Is that   what this 
> article is saying. I was led to believe that the replacement phones were new 
> but that I guess was quite and erroneous presumption on my part
> 
> Deidre
> 
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> hi.
>> 
>> thanks, great post!
>> 
>> cheers.
>> 
>> 
>> Às 02:48 de 10/01/2018, M. Taylor escreveu:
>>> How To Check If Your iPhone Is Brand New Or Refurbished Model Here's 
>>> how to check if your iPhone or iPad is brand new, a replacement 
>>> unit, or a refurbished model.
>>> 
>>> There's no additional installations or software required to obtain 
>>> this information.
>>> Most of us have likely been in the situation whereby we have 
>>> purchased a device through a secondary sales channel and then 
>>> subsequently wondered if we are actually getting what we have been told.
>>> Where Apple's iPhone is concerned, we could be purchasing a brand 
>>> new device or a refurbished model. That makes all the difference and 
>>> affects what we are willing to pay for a phone. With this little 
>>> trick, you will be able to quickly ascertain the type of device on 
>>> offer. Let's take a look at the process.
>>> 
>>> Step 1:
>>> First of all, you are going to need to have the device charged, 
>>> powered up, and ready-to-use. Once that's all done, launch the native 
>>> Settings app.
>>> 
>>> Step 2:
>>> There's no additional third-party apps or software required for 
>>> this. Once in Settings, navigate to General > About. This is where a 
>>> lot of relevant information about your device is located.
>>> 
>>> Step 3:
>>> Scroll down through all of the provided information until you find 
>>> the label which gives you the device's "Model" number. This will 
>>> give you a unique number pertaining to that device which either 
>>> begins with "M", "F", or "N", and then followed by a series of letters and 
>>> numbers.
>>> 
>>> Step 4:
>>> If your Model number starts with the letter "M", then it is a brand 
>>> new device. If the Model number begins with the letter "F" then it 
>>> is a refurbished device. And if your Model number starts with a 
>>> letter "N" then it is a replacement device.
>>> M = Brand new device
>>> F = Refurbished device
>>> N = Replacement device.
>>> Extremely quick and easy and a sure fire way to tell what type of 
>>> device you are currently in ownership of. If you are planning on 
>>> buying something through secondary sales channels, and you are 
>>> presented with the opportunity to take a look at the Model number, 
>>> or you can get an unedited screenshot from the seller, then it's a 
>>> really good and quick way of ascertaining if that person is being honest 
>>> about the type of device that is being sold.
>>> 
>>> You may also like to check out:
>>> .List: iOS 10.3.3 Jailbreak Tweaks Compatibility For 64-Bit Devices
>>> .iOS 11.2.2 Release Notes, Changelog And Security Content: Here's
>>> What Has Changed
>>> .Download iOS 11.2.2 IPSW Links And OTA For iPhone, iPad, iPod touch
>>> .Jailbreak iOS 11.2.2 / 11.2.1 / 11.2.5 On iPhone And iPad [Status
>>> Update]
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>>> [Updated]
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Re: on the market for a new bluetooth keyboard

[Kimberly]

The Logitech K780 is a very nice keyboard. It can be paired with three devices 
and has fullsize keys as well as a numeric pad. It's fairly heavy so if 
portability is what you want this is probably not the best choice for you.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone
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on.—Annie Proulx

> On Jan 12, 2018, at 5:54 AM, Rebecca Ilniski  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.  I’m on the market for a new Bluetooth keyboard.  I’ve heard about 
> the IClever foldable one but don’t know how easy it is to pare.  I have the 
> amazon one but the I is not working on it any longer.  So with that in mind 
> what keyboard do you recommend?  I’d like one with normal size keys and one 
> that can charge via USB.  Thanks. 
>  
> Rebecca and guide dog Zeb
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RE: on the market for a new bluetooth keyboard

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you want quality then Logitech is also my choice. You can go with something 
like the K811 which is a compact size similar to the Apple wireless keyboard. I 
have the Logitech K780 which is basically a full-size keyboard with numeric pad 
on the right side. I like that one because I also use it for my PC, actually 
mostly for my PC/laptop since I don’t often use a bluetooth keyboard with my 
iPhone, but it has the same support for 3 devices with F1, F2 and F3 being used 
to switch between them. The K780 has a groove all along the top (above the 
function keys) and you can stick your iPhone in that vertically or horizontally 
and it is sized to fit a full-size iPad Pro 12.9 inch. Because of this the 
keyboard is weighted so that if you put a large iPad in there it doesn’t tip 
over. It probably weighs 2 pounds, doesn’t bother me, but it might be a problem 
for some people.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ryan Mann
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: on the market for a new bluetooth keyboard

I use a Logitech Easy Switch.  It can charge by USB and be paired with three 
different devices.  You can switch between them with F1 through F3.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 12, 2018, at 5:54 AM, Rebecca Ilniski 
> wrote:
Hi all.  I’m on the market for a new Bluetooth keyboard.  I’ve heard about the 
IClever foldable one but don’t know how easy it is to pare.  I have the amazon 
one but the I is not working on it any longer.  So with that in mind what 
keyboard do you recommend?  I’d like one with normal size keys and one that can 
charge via USB.  Thanks.

Rebecca and guide dog Zeb
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Twitter: applegirl1994
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RE: Taking a screenshot

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Except if it's an iPhone X, then it's a different button combination as there 
is no more home button.

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the home and power button.

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RE: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

[Malcolm Parfitt]

This is wat Apple say:

 

If compatible Wi-Fi is available and a Bluetooth connection to the 

paired iPhone is not available, then Apple Watch - including first 

generation models - will use Wi-Fi instead.

The watch can connect to a Wi-Fi network if the network is 

802.11b/g/n 2.4GHz and the paired iPhone, while connected to 

the watch via Bluetooth, has connected to that network before.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joney
Sent: 12 January 2018 16:29
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

 

I know the Apple Watch three desk. It has its own phone position, so you would 
be using the phones data or something along those lines. But I’ve never seen 
the series to do it on its own. I’ll have to look into it.

Joney

talk2o...@gmail.com  

"If God can bring you to it, 

He will lead you through it."  


On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:52 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  > wrote:

Hi there, thanks.

 

I understand what you are saying but having listened to David Woodbridge’s 
podcasts on the Applevis site he demonstrates that the Apple Watch has some 
connectivity with a wireless network when his iPhone is turned off.

 

Confused.

 

Malcolm

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joney
Sent: 12 January 2018 15:45
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

 

You have to leave Bluetooth on the telephone on to run you watch with the 
Wi-Fi. It connects to the Wi-Fi through your telephone. I also have series 2, 
my phone is a 7+ and I’m running the same software you are. As long as your 
watch is near your phone, within 30 feet, it runs fine. As long as your 
Bluetooth. Turn off your Bluetooth and it’s gone. That helps.

Joney

talk2o...@gmail.com  

"If God can bring you to it, 

He will lead you through it."  


On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  > wrote:

Hi Anna,

Still no luck I'm afraid.  Here's what I have tried so far.

I am using an Apple series2 Watch.  I am using the watch with an iPhone7.

The watch is running watch OS4.2 and the iPhone is running iOS 11.2.

Both devices are talking to each other and data is synchronised between them.

The watch can send and receive e-mail and message and the calendar has the data 
retrieved from my iCloud account.

However, if I turn Bluetooth off on the iPhone the watch loses all connectivity 
with the outside world.

Siri says that it has no connection for example when not connected to the 
iPhone.

I have tried the following to solve the problem.

Firstly, disabling Bluetooth on the iPhone and getting it to forget the 
wireless network.  I then reconnected to my 2.4GHz network and enabled 
Bluetooth.  The watch works fine until I again disable Bluetooth.

I then removed the watch from my Cloud account and signed out on the iPhone too.

Signing back and adding the watch again did not solve the problem.

It looks as though the wireless settings are not being copied from the iPhone 
to the watch for some reason.  

Secondly what apps support Andoff between the watch and iPhone?

Thanks.

Malcolm



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: 11 January 2018 15:14
To: VIPhone Mailing List  >
Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

Hi Malcolm,

I would suggest letting the devices connect for a little while. It may take a 
few minutes for the Wi-Fi info on the phone to be copied to the watch.

Best,
Anna








On Jan 11, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  > wrote:

 

Hello Anna,

 

Still no luck with getting the Apple Watch to connect wirelessly.

 

I have turned off the Apple Watch then asked my iPhone to forget all its 
wireless networks.  I then turned off Bluetooth on the iPhone.  I then 
reconnected my iPhone with the 2Ghz wireless network then reenabled Bluetooth.

 

Finally I restarted the Apple Watch.

 

The watch will happily talk to my iPhone but when I turn the iPhone's Bluetooth 
on the watch will not connect with the outside world.

 

Any thoughts from you and others welcome.

 

Thanks.

 

Malcolm

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner

Sent: 10 January 2018 21:07

To: VIPhone Mailing List  >

Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

 

Hi,

 

Your 

Re: Here's how to check if your iPhone or iPad is brand new, a replacement unit, or a refurbished model, Redmond Pie

[Anthony Vece]

Deidre;

A replacement phone is just that.  It is not a new phone.

That’s why I will always subscribe to Apple Care Plus.

God Bless
Anthony


> On Jan 12, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Deidre Muccio  wrote:
> 
> I checked the model number on my replacement phone and the number started 
> with the capital letter M. But that doesn't mean that all the parts are Apple 
> parts as an earlier article that Mark supplied indicated. Certainly that 
> seems to be the case with this phone because it really does some Corky little 
> scratchy noise type stuff which none of my phones ever done before. This is 
> still not perfectly clear. I have a replacement phone through the company is 
> called something like ensure on which Verizon uses to ensure the phones that 
> they sell to their customers. They call it a replacement phone. It does not 
> seem like a new phone although  looks like a new phone or did at any rate. So 
> a replacement phone is still not going to be a new phone? Is that   what this 
> article is saying. I was led to believe that the replacement phones were new 
> but that I guess was quite and erroneous presumption on my part
> 
> Deidre
> 
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> hi.
>> 
>> thanks, great post!
>> 
>> cheers.
>> 
>> 
>> Às 02:48 de 10/01/2018, M. Taylor escreveu:
>>> How To Check If Your iPhone Is Brand New Or Refurbished Model
>>> Here's how to check if your iPhone or iPad is brand new, a replacement unit,
>>> or a refurbished model.
>>> 
>>> There's no additional installations or software required to obtain this
>>> information.
>>> Most of us have likely been in the situation whereby we have purchased a
>>> device through a secondary sales channel and then subsequently wondered if
>>> we are actually getting what we have been told.
>>> Where Apple's iPhone is concerned, we could be purchasing a brand new device
>>> or a refurbished model. That makes all the difference and affects what we
>>> are willing to pay for a phone. With this little trick, you will be able to
>>> quickly ascertain the type of device on offer. Let's take a look at the
>>> process.
>>> 
>>> Step 1:
>>> First of all, you are going to need to have the device charged, powered up,
>>> and ready-to-use. Once that's all done, launch the native Settings app.
>>> 
>>> Step 2:
>>> There's no additional third-party apps or software required for this. Once
>>> in Settings, navigate to General > About. This is where a lot of relevant
>>> information about your device is located.
>>> 
>>> Step 3:
>>> Scroll down through all of the provided information until you find the label
>>> which gives you the device's "Model" number. This will give you a unique
>>> number pertaining to that device which either begins with "M", "F", or "N",
>>> and then followed by a series of letters and numbers.
>>> 
>>> Step 4:
>>> If your Model number starts with the letter "M", then it is a brand new
>>> device. If the Model number begins with the letter "F" then it is a
>>> refurbished device. And if your Model number starts with a letter "N" then
>>> it is a replacement device.
>>> M = Brand new device
>>> F = Refurbished device
>>> N = Replacement device.
>>> Extremely quick and easy and a sure fire way to tell what type of device you
>>> are currently in ownership of. If you are planning on buying something
>>> through secondary sales channels, and you are presented with the opportunity
>>> to take a look at the Model number, or you can get an unedited screenshot
>>> from the seller, then it's a really good and quick way of ascertaining if
>>> that person is being honest about the type of device that is being sold.
>>> 
>>> You may also like to check out:
>>> .List: iOS 10.3.3 Jailbreak Tweaks Compatibility For 64-Bit Devices
>>> .iOS 11.2.2 Release Notes, Changelog And Security Content: Here's
>>> What Has Changed
>>> .Download iOS 11.2.2 IPSW Links And OTA For iPhone, iPad, iPod touch
>>> .Jailbreak iOS 11.2.2 / 11.2.1 / 11.2.5 On iPhone And iPad [Status
>>> Update]
>>> .Jailbreak iOS 11 / 11.1.2 On iPhone X, 8, 7, iPad Using LiberiOS
>>> [Updated]
>>> You can follow us on Twitter, add us to your circle on Google+ or like our
>>> Facebook page to keep yourself updated on all the latest from Microsoft,
>>> Google, Apple and the Web.
>>> 
>>> Original Article at:
>>> http://www.redmondpie.com/check-if-your-iphone-is-brand-new-or-refurbished-m
>>> odel-heres-how/
>> 
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Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

[Joney]

I know the Apple Watch three desk. It has its own phone position, so you would 
be using the phones data or something along those lines. But I’ve never seen 
the series to do it on its own. I’ll have to look into it.

Joney
talk2o...@gmail.com
"If God can bring you to it, 
He will lead you through it."  

> On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:52 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, thanks.
>  
> I understand what you are saying but having listened to David Woodbridge’s 
> podcasts on the Applevis site he demonstrates that the Apple Watch has some 
> connectivity with a wireless network when his iPhone is turned off.
>  
> Confused.
>  
> Malcolm
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Joney
> Sent: 12 January 2018 15:45
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
>  
> You have to leave Bluetooth on the telephone on to run you watch with the 
> Wi-Fi. It connects to the Wi-Fi through your telephone. I also have series 2, 
> my phone is a 7+ and I’m running the same software you are. As long as your 
> watch is near your phone, within 30 feet, it runs fine. As long as your 
> Bluetooth. Turn off your Bluetooth and it’s gone. That helps.
> 
> Joney
> talk2o...@gmail.com
> "If God can bring you to it, 
> He will lead you through it."  
> 
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna,
> 
> Still no luck I'm afraid.  Here's what I have tried so far.
> 
> I am using an Apple series2 Watch.  I am using the watch with an iPhone7.
> 
> The watch is running watch OS4.2 and the iPhone is running iOS 11.2.
> 
> Both devices are talking to each other and data is synchronised between them.
> 
> The watch can send and receive e-mail and message and the calendar has the 
> data retrieved from my iCloud account.
> 
> However, if I turn Bluetooth off on the iPhone the watch loses all 
> connectivity with the outside world.
> 
> Siri says that it has no connection for example when not connected to the 
> iPhone.
> 
> I have tried the following to solve the problem.
> 
> Firstly, disabling Bluetooth on the iPhone and getting it to forget the 
> wireless network.  I then reconnected to my 2.4GHz network and enabled 
> Bluetooth.  The watch works fine until I again disable Bluetooth.
> 
> I then removed the watch from my Cloud account and signed out on the iPhone 
> too.
> 
> Signing back and adding the watch again did not solve the problem.
> 
> It looks as though the wireless settings are not being copied from the iPhone 
> to the watch for some reason.  
> 
> Secondly what apps support Andoff between the watch and iPhone?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Malcolm
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: 11 January 2018 15:14
> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
> 
> Hi Malcolm,
> 
> I would suggest letting the devices connect for a little while. It may take a 
> few minutes for the Wi-Fi info on the phone to be copied to the watch.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 11, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>  
> Hello Anna,
>  
> Still no luck with getting the Apple Watch to connect wirelessly.
>  
> I have turned off the Apple Watch then asked my iPhone to forget all its 
> wireless networks.  I then turned off Bluetooth on the iPhone.  I then 
> reconnected my iPhone with the 2Ghz wireless network then reenabled Bluetooth.
>  
> Finally I restarted the Apple Watch.
>  
> The watch will happily talk to my iPhone but when I turn the iPhone's 
> Bluetooth on the watch will not connect with the outside world.
>  
> Any thoughts from you and others welcome.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Malcolm
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: 10 January 2018 21:07
> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Your watch should be able to connect with any Wi-Fi network that your phone 
> has connected to. Make sure your phone is connected to your Wi-Fi, and maybe 
> wait a little while before turning off the watch, and it should work. If you 
> just set up the phone, maybe information is still being copied from the 
> phone, including the Wi-Fi network info.
>  
> Best,
> Anna
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Jan 10, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>  
> Hello,
>  
> I have just received an Apple series2 watch.
>  
> I have it up and running and configured as I like it.
>  
> However, there is one thing that I cannot get to work.
>  
> Am I right in understanding that if my iPhone is turned off the watch will 
> connect to my wireless network?
>  
> I cannot get it 

Re: Here's how to check if your iPhone or iPad is brand new, a replacement unit, or a refurbished model, Redmond Pie

[Deidre Muccio]

I checked the model number on my replacement phone and the number started with 
the capital letter M. But that doesn't mean that all the parts are Apple parts 
as an earlier article that Mark supplied indicated. Certainly that seems to be 
the case with this phone because it really does some Corky little scratchy 
noise type stuff which none of my phones ever done before. This is still not 
perfectly clear. I have a replacement phone through the company is called 
something like ensure on which Verizon uses to ensure the phones that they sell 
to their customers. They call it a replacement phone. It does not seem like a 
new phone although  looks like a new phone or did at any rate. So a replacement 
phone is still not going to be a new phone? Is that   what this article is 
saying. I was led to believe that the replacement phones were new but that I 
guess was quite and erroneous presumption on my part

Deidre


> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
> 
> 
> hi.
> 
> thanks, great post!
> 
> cheers.
> 
> 
> Às 02:48 de 10/01/2018, M. Taylor escreveu:
>> How To Check If Your iPhone Is Brand New Or Refurbished Model
>> Here's how to check if your iPhone or iPad is brand new, a replacement unit,
>> or a refurbished model.
>> 
>> There's no additional installations or software required to obtain this
>> information.
>> Most of us have likely been in the situation whereby we have purchased a
>> device through a secondary sales channel and then subsequently wondered if
>> we are actually getting what we have been told.
>> Where Apple's iPhone is concerned, we could be purchasing a brand new device
>> or a refurbished model. That makes all the difference and affects what we
>> are willing to pay for a phone. With this little trick, you will be able to
>> quickly ascertain the type of device on offer. Let's take a look at the
>> process.
>> 
>> Step 1:
>> First of all, you are going to need to have the device charged, powered up,
>> and ready-to-use. Once that's all done, launch the native Settings app.
>> 
>> Step 2:
>> There's no additional third-party apps or software required for this. Once
>> in Settings, navigate to General > About. This is where a lot of relevant
>> information about your device is located.
>> 
>> Step 3:
>> Scroll down through all of the provided information until you find the label
>> which gives you the device's "Model" number. This will give you a unique
>> number pertaining to that device which either begins with "M", "F", or "N",
>> and then followed by a series of letters and numbers.
>> 
>> Step 4:
>> If your Model number starts with the letter "M", then it is a brand new
>> device. If the Model number begins with the letter "F" then it is a
>> refurbished device. And if your Model number starts with a letter "N" then
>> it is a replacement device.
>> M = Brand new device
>> F = Refurbished device
>> N = Replacement device.
>> Extremely quick and easy and a sure fire way to tell what type of device you
>> are currently in ownership of. If you are planning on buying something
>> through secondary sales channels, and you are presented with the opportunity
>> to take a look at the Model number, or you can get an unedited screenshot
>> from the seller, then it's a really good and quick way of ascertaining if
>> that person is being honest about the type of device that is being sold.
>> 
>> You may also like to check out:
>> .List: iOS 10.3.3 Jailbreak Tweaks Compatibility For 64-Bit Devices
>> .iOS 11.2.2 Release Notes, Changelog And Security Content: Here's
>> What Has Changed
>> .Download iOS 11.2.2 IPSW Links And OTA For iPhone, iPad, iPod touch
>> .Jailbreak iOS 11.2.2 / 11.2.1 / 11.2.5 On iPhone And iPad [Status
>> Update]
>> .Jailbreak iOS 11 / 11.1.2 On iPhone X, 8, 7, iPad Using LiberiOS
>> [Updated]
>> You can follow us on Twitter, add us to your circle on Google+ or like our
>> Facebook page to keep yourself updated on all the latest from Microsoft,
>> Google, Apple and the Web.
>> 
>> Original Article at:
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/check-if-your-iphone-is-brand-new-or-refurbished-m
>> odel-heres-how/
> 
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RE: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Hi there, thanks.

 

I understand what you are saying but having listened to David Woodbridge’s 
podcasts on the Applevis site he demonstrates that the Apple Watch has some 
connectivity with a wireless network when his iPhone is turned off.

 

Confused.

 

Malcolm

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joney
Sent: 12 January 2018 15:45
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

 

You have to leave Bluetooth on the telephone on to run you watch with the 
Wi-Fi. It connects to the Wi-Fi through your telephone. I also have series 2, 
my phone is a 7+ and I’m running the same software you are. As long as your 
watch is near your phone, within 30 feet, it runs fine. As long as your 
Bluetooth. Turn off your Bluetooth and it’s gone. That helps.

Joney

talk2o...@gmail.com  

"If God can bring you to it, 

He will lead you through it."  


On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  > wrote:

Hi Anna,

Still no luck I'm afraid.  Here's what I have tried so far.

I am using an Apple series2 Watch.  I am using the watch with an iPhone7.

The watch is running watch OS4.2 and the iPhone is running iOS 11.2.

Both devices are talking to each other and data is synchronised between them.

The watch can send and receive e-mail and message and the calendar has the data 
retrieved from my iCloud account.

However, if I turn Bluetooth off on the iPhone the watch loses all connectivity 
with the outside world.

Siri says that it has no connection for example when not connected to the 
iPhone.

I have tried the following to solve the problem.

Firstly, disabling Bluetooth on the iPhone and getting it to forget the 
wireless network.  I then reconnected to my 2.4GHz network and enabled 
Bluetooth.  The watch works fine until I again disable Bluetooth.

I then removed the watch from my Cloud account and signed out on the iPhone too.

Signing back and adding the watch again did not solve the problem.

It looks as though the wireless settings are not being copied from the iPhone 
to the watch for some reason.  

Secondly what apps support Andoff between the watch and iPhone?

Thanks.

Malcolm



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: 11 January 2018 15:14
To: VIPhone Mailing List  >
Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

Hi Malcolm,

I would suggest letting the devices connect for a little while. It may take a 
few minutes for the Wi-Fi info on the phone to be copied to the watch.

Best,
Anna







On Jan 11, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  > wrote:

 

Hello Anna,

 

Still no luck with getting the Apple Watch to connect wirelessly.

 

I have turned off the Apple Watch then asked my iPhone to forget all its 
wireless networks.  I then turned off Bluetooth on the iPhone.  I then 
reconnected my iPhone with the 2Ghz wireless network then reenabled Bluetooth.

 

Finally I restarted the Apple Watch.

 

The watch will happily talk to my iPhone but when I turn the iPhone's Bluetooth 
on the watch will not connect with the outside world.

 

Any thoughts from you and others welcome.

 

Thanks.

 

Malcolm

 

-Original Message-

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Sent: 10 January 2018 21:07

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Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

 

Hi,

 

Your watch should be able to connect with any Wi-Fi network that your phone has 
connected to. Make sure your phone is connected to your Wi-Fi, and maybe wait a 
little while before turning off the watch, and it should work. If you just set 
up the phone, maybe information is still being copied from the phone, including 
the Wi-Fi network info.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

 

 

On Jan 10, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  > wrote:

 

Hello,

 

I have just received an Apple series2 watch.

 

I have it up and running and configured as I like it.

 

However, there is one thing that I cannot get to work.

 

Am I right in understanding that if my iPhone is turned off the watch will 
connect to my wireless network?

 

I cannot get it to connect, as soon as I power off my iPhone the watch loses 
its connectivity to the outside world.

 

I have powered the watch off, asked my iPhone to forget its wireless networks 
then turned Bluetooth off on the iPhone.

 

I then rejoined my 2GHz network and then turned Bluetooth on.  I then restarted 
the watch.  It is connected to my 

Re: Here's how to check if your iPhone or iPad is brand new, a replacement unit, or a refurbished model, Redmond Pie

[Deidre Muccio]

This is still not perfectly clear. I have a replacement phone through the 
company is called something like ensure on which Verizon uses to ensure the 
phones that they sell to their customers. They call it a replacement phone. It 
does not seem like a new phone although  looks like a new phone or did at any 
rate. So a replacement phone is still not going to be a new phone? Is that   
what this article is saying. I was led to believe that the replacement phones 
were new but that I guess was quite and erroneous presumption on my part

Deidre


> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
> 
> 
> hi.
> 
> thanks, great post!
> 
> cheers.
> 
> 
> Às 02:48 de 10/01/2018, M. Taylor escreveu:
>> How To Check If Your iPhone Is Brand New Or Refurbished Model
>> Here's how to check if your iPhone or iPad is brand new, a replacement unit,
>> or a refurbished model.
>> 
>> There's no additional installations or software required to obtain this
>> information.
>> Most of us have likely been in the situation whereby we have purchased a
>> device through a secondary sales channel and then subsequently wondered if
>> we are actually getting what we have been told.
>>  Where Apple's iPhone is concerned, we could be purchasing a brand new device
>> or a refurbished model. That makes all the difference and affects what we
>> are willing to pay for a phone. With this little trick, you will be able to
>> quickly ascertain the type of device on offer. Let's take a look at the
>> process.
>> 
>> Step 1:
>> First of all, you are going to need to have the device charged, powered up,
>> and ready-to-use. Once that's all done, launch the native Settings app.
>> 
>> Step 2:
>> There's no additional third-party apps or software required for this. Once
>> in Settings, navigate to General > About. This is where a lot of relevant
>> information about your device is located.
>> 
>> Step 3:
>> Scroll down through all of the provided information until you find the label
>> which gives you the device's "Model" number. This will give you a unique
>> number pertaining to that device which either begins with "M", "F", or "N",
>> and then followed by a series of letters and numbers.
>> 
>> Step 4:
>> If your Model number starts with the letter "M", then it is a brand new
>> device. If the Model number begins with the letter "F" then it is a
>> refurbished device. And if your Model number starts with a letter "N" then
>> it is a replacement device.
>> M = Brand new device
>> F = Refurbished device
>> N = Replacement device.
>>  Extremely quick and easy and a sure fire way to tell what type of device you
>> are currently in ownership of. If you are planning on buying something
>> through secondary sales channels, and you are presented with the opportunity
>> to take a look at the Model number, or you can get an unedited screenshot
>> from the seller, then it's a really good and quick way of ascertaining if
>> that person is being honest about the type of device that is being sold.
>> 
>> You may also like to check out:
>> .List: iOS 10.3.3 Jailbreak Tweaks Compatibility For 64-Bit Devices
>> .iOS 11.2.2 Release Notes, Changelog And Security Content: Here's
>> What Has Changed
>> .Download iOS 11.2.2 IPSW Links And OTA For iPhone, iPad, iPod touch
>> .Jailbreak iOS 11.2.2 / 11.2.1 / 11.2.5 On iPhone And iPad [Status
>> Update]
>> .Jailbreak iOS 11 / 11.1.2 On iPhone X, 8, 7, iPad Using LiberiOS
>> [Updated]
>> You can follow us on Twitter, add us to your circle on Google+ or like our
>> Facebook page to keep yourself updated on all the latest from Microsoft,
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>> 
>> Original Article at:
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/check-if-your-iphone-is-brand-new-or-refurbished-m
>> odel-heres-how/
>> 
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Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

[Joney]

You have to leave Bluetooth on the telephone on to run you watch with the 
Wi-Fi. It connects to the Wi-Fi through your telephone. I also have series 2, 
my phone is a 7+ and I’m running the same software you are. As long as your 
watch is near your phone, within 30 feet, it runs fine. As long as your 
Bluetooth. Turn off your Bluetooth and it’s gone. That helps.

Joney
talk2o...@gmail.com
"If God can bring you to it, 
He will lead you through it."  

> On Jan 12, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna,
> 
> Still no luck I'm afraid.  Here's what I have tried so far.
> 
> I am using an Apple series2 Watch.  I am using the watch with an iPhone7.
> 
> The watch is running watch OS4.2 and the iPhone is running iOS 11.2.
> 
> Both devices are talking to each other and data is synchronised between them.
> 
> The watch can send and receive e-mail and message and the calendar has the 
> data retrieved from my iCloud account.
> 
> However, if I turn Bluetooth off on the iPhone the watch loses all 
> connectivity with the outside world.
> 
> Siri says that it has no connection for example when not connected to the 
> iPhone.
> 
> I have tried the following to solve the problem.
> 
> Firstly, disabling Bluetooth on the iPhone and getting it to forget the 
> wireless network.  I then reconnected to my 2.4GHz network and enabled 
> Bluetooth.  The watch works fine until I again disable Bluetooth.
> 
> I then removed the watch from my Cloud account and signed out on the iPhone 
> too.
> 
> Signing back and adding the watch again did not solve the problem.
> 
> It looks as though the wireless settings are not being copied from the iPhone 
> to the watch for some reason.  
> 
> Secondly what apps support Andoff between the watch and iPhone?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Malcolm
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: 11 January 2018 15:14
> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
> 
> Hi Malcolm,
> 
> I would suggest letting the devices connect for a little while. It may take a 
> few minutes for the Wi-Fi info on the phone to be copied to the watch.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Anna,
>> 
>> Still no luck with getting the Apple Watch to connect wirelessly.
>> 
>> I have turned off the Apple Watch then asked my iPhone to forget all its 
>> wireless networks.  I then turned off Bluetooth on the iPhone.  I then 
>> reconnected my iPhone with the 2Ghz wireless network then reenabled 
>> Bluetooth.
>> 
>> Finally I restarted the Apple Watch.
>> 
>> The watch will happily talk to my iPhone but when I turn the iPhone's 
>> Bluetooth on the watch will not connect with the outside world.
>> 
>> Any thoughts from you and others welcome.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Malcolm
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Woody Anna Dresner
>> Sent: 10 January 2018 21:07
>> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Your watch should be able to connect with any Wi-Fi network that your phone 
>> has connected to. Make sure your phone is connected to your Wi-Fi, and maybe 
>> wait a little while before turning off the watch, and it should work. If you 
>> just set up the phone, maybe information is still being copied from the 
>> phone, including the Wi-Fi network info.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I have just received an Apple series2 watch.
>>> 
>>> I have it up and running and configured as I like it.
>>> 
>>> However, there is one thing that I cannot get to work.
>>> 
>>> Am I right in understanding that if my iPhone is turned off the watch will 
>>> connect to my wireless network?
>>> 
>>> I cannot get it to connect, as soon as I power off my iPhone the watch 
>>> loses its connectivity to the outside world.
>>> 
>>> I have powered the watch off, asked my iPhone to forget its wireless 
>>> networks then turned Bluetooth off on the iPhone.
>>> 
>>> I then rejoined my 2GHz network and then turned Bluetooth on.  I then 
>>> restarted the watch.  It is connected to my iPhone.
>>> 
>>> But again if I turn the iPhone’s Bluetooth off the watch is not connected 
>>> to the outside world.
>>> 
>>> What else can I do to sort it out?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Malcolm,

I would suggest calling Apple Accessibility. They should be able to help you 
troubleshoot.

Best,
Anna




> On Jan 12, 2018, at 9:21 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna,
> 
> If the iPhone is turned off the watch will not connect to anything.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: 12 January 2018 15:18
> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
> 
> Hi Malcolm,
> 
> What happens if you just turn the iPHone off, rather than turning off 
> Bluetooth?
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anna,
>> 
>> Still no luck I'm afraid.  Here's what I have tried so far.
>> 
>> I am using an Apple series2 Watch.  I am using the watch with an iPhone7.
>> 
>> The watch is running watch OS4.2 and the iPhone is running iOS 11.2.
>> 
>> Both devices are talking to each other and data is synchronised between them.
>> 
>> The watch can send and receive e-mail and message and the calendar has the 
>> data retrieved from my iCloud account.
>> 
>> However, if I turn Bluetooth off on the iPhone the watch loses all 
>> connectivity with the outside world.
>> 
>> Siri says that it has no connection for example when not connected to the 
>> iPhone.
>> 
>> I have tried the following to solve the problem.
>> 
>> Firstly, disabling Bluetooth on the iPhone and getting it to forget the 
>> wireless network.  I then reconnected to my 2.4GHz network and enabled 
>> Bluetooth.  The watch works fine until I again disable Bluetooth.
>> 
>> I then removed the watch from my Cloud account and signed out on the iPhone 
>> too.
>> 
>> Signing back and adding the watch again did not solve the problem.
>> 
>> It looks as though the wireless settings are not being copied from the 
>> iPhone to the watch for some reason.  
>> 
>> Secondly what apps support Andoff between the watch and iPhone?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Malcolm
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Woody Anna Dresner
>> Sent: 11 January 2018 15:14
>> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
>> 
>> Hi Malcolm,
>> 
>> I would suggest letting the devices connect for a little while. It may take 
>> a few minutes for the Wi-Fi info on the phone to be copied to the watch.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Anna,
>>> 
>>> Still no luck with getting the Apple Watch to connect wirelessly.
>>> 
>>> I have turned off the Apple Watch then asked my iPhone to forget all its 
>>> wireless networks.  I then turned off Bluetooth on the iPhone.  I then 
>>> reconnected my iPhone with the 2Ghz wireless network then reenabled 
>>> Bluetooth.
>>> 
>>> Finally I restarted the Apple Watch.
>>> 
>>> The watch will happily talk to my iPhone but when I turn the iPhone's 
>>> Bluetooth on the watch will not connect with the outside world.
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts from you and others welcome.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Malcolm
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Woody Anna Dresner
>>> Sent: 10 January 2018 21:07
>>> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>>> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Your watch should be able to connect with any Wi-Fi network that your phone 
>>> has connected to. Make sure your phone is connected to your Wi-Fi, and 
>>> maybe wait a little while before turning off the watch, and it should work. 
>>> If you just set up the phone, maybe information is still being copied from 
>>> the phone, including the Wi-Fi network info.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 10, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  
 wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I have just received an Apple series2 watch.
 
 I have it up and running and configured as I like it.
 
 However, there is one thing that I cannot get to work.
 
 Am I right in understanding that if my iPhone is turned off the watch will 
 connect to my wireless network?
 
 I cannot get it to connect, as soon as I power off my iPhone the watch 
 loses its connectivity to the outside world.
 
 I have powered the watch off, asked my iPhone to forget its wireless 
 networks then turned Bluetooth off on the iPhone.
 
 I then rejoined my 2GHz network and then turned Bluetooth on.  I then 
 restarted the watch.  It is connected to my iPhone.
 
 But again if I turn the iPhone’s Bluetooth off the watch is not connected 
 to 

Re: OCR for German Text?

[Harry Bell]

Thanks, Anne! I just looked in the App and double tapped on Settings and found 
recognition languages and, as you say, I discovered that I had forgotten to 
tick German when I first set the app up!
Whew! You have saved me a lot of trouble!
Regards
Harry

> On 12 Jan 2018, at 13:38, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Harry,
> 
> KNFBReader does support German. I just checked and the languages are English, 
> French, Spanish and German.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12 Jan 2018, at 13:45, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> I have just started a German class and would like to be able to OCR German 
>> text using my iPhone. Does anybody know of an app which will do this? KNFB 
>> reader does not seem to support German. 
>> Regards
>> Harry
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RE: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Hi Anna,

If the iPhone is turned off the watch will not connect to anything.

Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: 12 January 2018 15:18
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

Hi Malcolm,

What happens if you just turn the iPHone off, rather than turning off Bluetooth?

Best,
Anna




> On Jan 12, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna,
> 
> Still no luck I'm afraid.  Here's what I have tried so far.
> 
> I am using an Apple series2 Watch.  I am using the watch with an iPhone7.
> 
> The watch is running watch OS4.2 and the iPhone is running iOS 11.2.
> 
> Both devices are talking to each other and data is synchronised between them.
> 
> The watch can send and receive e-mail and message and the calendar has the 
> data retrieved from my iCloud account.
> 
> However, if I turn Bluetooth off on the iPhone the watch loses all 
> connectivity with the outside world.
> 
> Siri says that it has no connection for example when not connected to the 
> iPhone.
> 
> I have tried the following to solve the problem.
> 
> Firstly, disabling Bluetooth on the iPhone and getting it to forget the 
> wireless network.  I then reconnected to my 2.4GHz network and enabled 
> Bluetooth.  The watch works fine until I again disable Bluetooth.
> 
> I then removed the watch from my Cloud account and signed out on the iPhone 
> too.
> 
> Signing back and adding the watch again did not solve the problem.
> 
> It looks as though the wireless settings are not being copied from the iPhone 
> to the watch for some reason.  
> 
> Secondly what apps support Andoff between the watch and iPhone?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Malcolm
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: 11 January 2018 15:14
> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
> 
> Hi Malcolm,
> 
> I would suggest letting the devices connect for a little while. It may take a 
> few minutes for the Wi-Fi info on the phone to be copied to the watch.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Anna,
>> 
>> Still no luck with getting the Apple Watch to connect wirelessly.
>> 
>> I have turned off the Apple Watch then asked my iPhone to forget all its 
>> wireless networks.  I then turned off Bluetooth on the iPhone.  I then 
>> reconnected my iPhone with the 2Ghz wireless network then reenabled 
>> Bluetooth.
>> 
>> Finally I restarted the Apple Watch.
>> 
>> The watch will happily talk to my iPhone but when I turn the iPhone's 
>> Bluetooth on the watch will not connect with the outside world.
>> 
>> Any thoughts from you and others welcome.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Malcolm
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Woody Anna Dresner
>> Sent: 10 January 2018 21:07
>> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Your watch should be able to connect with any Wi-Fi network that your phone 
>> has connected to. Make sure your phone is connected to your Wi-Fi, and maybe 
>> wait a little while before turning off the watch, and it should work. If you 
>> just set up the phone, maybe information is still being copied from the 
>> phone, including the Wi-Fi network info.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I have just received an Apple series2 watch.
>>> 
>>> I have it up and running and configured as I like it.
>>> 
>>> However, there is one thing that I cannot get to work.
>>> 
>>> Am I right in understanding that if my iPhone is turned off the watch will 
>>> connect to my wireless network?
>>> 
>>> I cannot get it to connect, as soon as I power off my iPhone the watch 
>>> loses its connectivity to the outside world.
>>> 
>>> I have powered the watch off, asked my iPhone to forget its wireless 
>>> networks then turned Bluetooth off on the iPhone.
>>> 
>>> I then rejoined my 2GHz network and then turned Bluetooth on.  I then 
>>> restarted the watch.  It is connected to my iPhone.
>>> 
>>> But again if I turn the iPhone’s Bluetooth off the watch is not connected 
>>> to the outside world.
>>> 
>>> What else can I do to sort it out?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Malcolm,

What happens if you just turn the iPHone off, rather than turning off Bluetooth?

Best,
Anna




> On Jan 12, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna,
> 
> Still no luck I'm afraid.  Here's what I have tried so far.
> 
> I am using an Apple series2 Watch.  I am using the watch with an iPhone7.
> 
> The watch is running watch OS4.2 and the iPhone is running iOS 11.2.
> 
> Both devices are talking to each other and data is synchronised between them.
> 
> The watch can send and receive e-mail and message and the calendar has the 
> data retrieved from my iCloud account.
> 
> However, if I turn Bluetooth off on the iPhone the watch loses all 
> connectivity with the outside world.
> 
> Siri says that it has no connection for example when not connected to the 
> iPhone.
> 
> I have tried the following to solve the problem.
> 
> Firstly, disabling Bluetooth on the iPhone and getting it to forget the 
> wireless network.  I then reconnected to my 2.4GHz network and enabled 
> Bluetooth.  The watch works fine until I again disable Bluetooth.
> 
> I then removed the watch from my Cloud account and signed out on the iPhone 
> too.
> 
> Signing back and adding the watch again did not solve the problem.
> 
> It looks as though the wireless settings are not being copied from the iPhone 
> to the watch for some reason.  
> 
> Secondly what apps support Andoff between the watch and iPhone?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Malcolm
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: 11 January 2018 15:14
> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
> 
> Hi Malcolm,
> 
> I would suggest letting the devices connect for a little while. It may take a 
> few minutes for the Wi-Fi info on the phone to be copied to the watch.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Anna,
>> 
>> Still no luck with getting the Apple Watch to connect wirelessly.
>> 
>> I have turned off the Apple Watch then asked my iPhone to forget all its 
>> wireless networks.  I then turned off Bluetooth on the iPhone.  I then 
>> reconnected my iPhone with the 2Ghz wireless network then reenabled 
>> Bluetooth.
>> 
>> Finally I restarted the Apple Watch.
>> 
>> The watch will happily talk to my iPhone but when I turn the iPhone's 
>> Bluetooth on the watch will not connect with the outside world.
>> 
>> Any thoughts from you and others welcome.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Malcolm
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Woody Anna Dresner
>> Sent: 10 January 2018 21:07
>> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Your watch should be able to connect with any Wi-Fi network that your phone 
>> has connected to. Make sure your phone is connected to your Wi-Fi, and maybe 
>> wait a little while before turning off the watch, and it should work. If you 
>> just set up the phone, maybe information is still being copied from the 
>> phone, including the Wi-Fi network info.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I have just received an Apple series2 watch.
>>> 
>>> I have it up and running and configured as I like it.
>>> 
>>> However, there is one thing that I cannot get to work.
>>> 
>>> Am I right in understanding that if my iPhone is turned off the watch will 
>>> connect to my wireless network?
>>> 
>>> I cannot get it to connect, as soon as I power off my iPhone the watch 
>>> loses its connectivity to the outside world.
>>> 
>>> I have powered the watch off, asked my iPhone to forget its wireless 
>>> networks then turned Bluetooth off on the iPhone.
>>> 
>>> I then rejoined my 2GHz network and then turned Bluetooth on.  I then 
>>> restarted the watch.  It is connected to my iPhone.
>>> 
>>> But again if I turn the iPhone’s Bluetooth off the watch is not connected 
>>> to the outside world.
>>> 
>>> What else can I do to sort it out?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Hi Anna,

Still no luck I'm afraid.  Here's what I have tried so far.

I am using an Apple series2 Watch.  I am using the watch with an iPhone7.

The watch is running watch OS4.2 and the iPhone is running iOS 11.2.

Both devices are talking to each other and data is synchronised between them.

The watch can send and receive e-mail and message and the calendar has the data 
retrieved from my iCloud account.

However, if I turn Bluetooth off on the iPhone the watch loses all connectivity 
with the outside world.

Siri says that it has no connection for example when not connected to the 
iPhone.

I have tried the following to solve the problem.

Firstly, disabling Bluetooth on the iPhone and getting it to forget the 
wireless network.  I then reconnected to my 2.4GHz network and enabled 
Bluetooth.  The watch works fine until I again disable Bluetooth.

I then removed the watch from my Cloud account and signed out on the iPhone too.

Signing back and adding the watch again did not solve the problem.

It looks as though the wireless settings are not being copied from the iPhone 
to the watch for some reason.  

Secondly what apps support Andoff between the watch and iPhone?

Thanks.

Malcolm



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: 11 January 2018 15:14
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.

Hi Malcolm,

I would suggest letting the devices connect for a little while. It may take a 
few minutes for the Wi-Fi info on the phone to be copied to the watch.

Best,
Anna




> On Jan 11, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hello Anna,
> 
> Still no luck with getting the Apple Watch to connect wirelessly.
> 
> I have turned off the Apple Watch then asked my iPhone to forget all its 
> wireless networks.  I then turned off Bluetooth on the iPhone.  I then 
> reconnected my iPhone with the 2Ghz wireless network then reenabled Bluetooth.
> 
> Finally I restarted the Apple Watch.
> 
> The watch will happily talk to my iPhone but when I turn the iPhone's 
> Bluetooth on the watch will not connect with the outside world.
> 
> Any thoughts from you and others welcome.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Malcolm
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: 10 January 2018 21:07
> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: Apple series two watch and wireless connectivity.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Your watch should be able to connect with any Wi-Fi network that your phone 
> has connected to. Make sure your phone is connected to your Wi-Fi, and maybe 
> wait a little while before turning off the watch, and it should work. If you 
> just set up the phone, maybe information is still being copied from the 
> phone, including the Wi-Fi network info.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I have just received an Apple series2 watch.
>> 
>> I have it up and running and configured as I like it.
>> 
>> However, there is one thing that I cannot get to work.
>> 
>> Am I right in understanding that if my iPhone is turned off the watch will 
>> connect to my wireless network?
>> 
>> I cannot get it to connect, as soon as I power off my iPhone the watch loses 
>> its connectivity to the outside world.
>> 
>> I have powered the watch off, asked my iPhone to forget its wireless 
>> networks then turned Bluetooth off on the iPhone.
>> 
>> I then rejoined my 2GHz network and then turned Bluetooth on.  I then 
>> restarted the watch.  It is connected to my iPhone.
>> 
>> But again if I turn the iPhone’s Bluetooth off the watch is not connected to 
>> the outside world.
>> 
>> What else can I do to sort it out?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Here's how to check if your iPhone or iPad is brand new, a replacement unit, or a refurbished model, Redmond Pie

[Mário Navarro]

hi.

thanks, great post!

cheers.


Às 02:48 de 10/01/2018, M. Taylor escreveu:

How To Check If Your iPhone Is Brand New Or Refurbished Model
Here's how to check if your iPhone or iPad is brand new, a replacement unit,
or a refurbished model.

There's no additional installations or software required to obtain this
information.
Most of us have likely been in the situation whereby we have purchased a
device through a secondary sales channel and then subsequently wondered if
we are actually getting what we have been told.
  
Where Apple's iPhone is concerned, we could be purchasing a brand new device

or a refurbished model. That makes all the difference and affects what we
are willing to pay for a phone. With this little trick, you will be able to
quickly ascertain the type of device on offer. Let's take a look at the
process.

Step 1:
First of all, you are going to need to have the device charged, powered up,
and ready-to-use. Once that's all done, launch the native Settings app.

Step 2:
There's no additional third-party apps or software required for this. Once
in Settings, navigate to General > About. This is where a lot of relevant
information about your device is located.

Step 3:
Scroll down through all of the provided information until you find the label
which gives you the device's "Model" number. This will give you a unique
number pertaining to that device which either begins with "M", "F", or "N",
and then followed by a series of letters and numbers.

Step 4:
If your Model number starts with the letter "M", then it is a brand new
device. If the Model number begins with the letter "F" then it is a
refurbished device. And if your Model number starts with a letter "N" then
it is a replacement device.
M = Brand new device
F = Refurbished device
N = Replacement device.
  
Extremely quick and easy and a sure fire way to tell what type of device you

are currently in ownership of. If you are planning on buying something
through secondary sales channels, and you are presented with the opportunity
to take a look at the Model number, or you can get an unedited screenshot
from the seller, then it's a really good and quick way of ascertaining if
that person is being honest about the type of device that is being sold.

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RE: Thoughts about some new bluetooth toys

[Tom Rash]

I use a pellow speaker, which I got from CC radio.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Thoughts about some new bluetooth toys

 

Hi Kathy,

 

I already know the best way to listen without disturbing somebody and that is 
with a headset. Actually, except for going to another room as you describe, 
there really isn’t another option.

The question simply is what headset works for you.

If you just like to listen for a bit while you lie on your back and you stop 
when it’s time to go to sleep then any headset should do.

If like me you listen and fall asleep as you do so and you end up on your side 
or stomach then I think earbuds are the only way to go.

If your partner doesn’t wake up easily then a very small speaker can work well 
if you can put it very close to your head where you can hear it but where 
little is heard 3 or 4 feet away.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kathy Kalaluhi
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Thoughts about some new bluetooth toys

 

Keep us posted if you discover the best way of listening to a book without 
disturbing our spouses in bed.  I have yet to find the best way to do that 
except to go downstairs and stay up listening to a book in the livingroom which 
leads me to snacking while listening hahaha.  

Kathy 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 11:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Thoughts about some new bluetooth toys

 

Hello,

 

I’m a huge Audible/audio book fan and often listen at night after my wife goes 
to bed. I therefore am always on the lookout for the perfect way to listen so 
it doesn’t disturb my wife but so it’s also comfortable for me since I often 
fall asleep listening. 
I often just use my iPhone and wired Earpods, but sometimes that of course 
results in me waking up during the middle of the night lying on my iPhone and 
with Earpods wrapped around me. I have tried a pillow speaker which I purchased 
from Amazon, but it wasn’t for me. I sometimes use my Plantronics Voyager Edge 
which just a single earpiece and if it ends up somewhere in the bed under me 
it’s not so bad, but it’s also not quite perfect yet.

I recently purchased two larger headsets and something called a bluetooth 
receiver/transmitter, here some links:

 

Jabra Move – link to the canadian Jabra website 
 

Jabra Move – link to Best Buy Canada 

 , regular $109.99 on sale until today for $69.99

I actually bought this on Amazon.ca for $88 so seeing on Best Buy Canada on 
sale for $69.99 is a bummer, but anyhow, I quite like this headset. It’s an 
on-ear headset which is very comfortable and well-built. Only thing for me is 
that the on/off switch which  is a slider is on the right ear and the 
play/pause button and volume up/down is on the left which I find a bit awkward.

It claims 8 hours of battery life and can be used in wired mode as well and I 
quite like it when headsets offer both options.

 

Sony MDRXB950BT/B on Amazon.com 

  $118.00

Sony MDRXB950BT/B on Amazon Canada $199.99 

 

Sony MDRXB950BT review 

 

These are over-the-ear headphones which have noise cancelling and a base boost 
feature and they are awesome, but a bit larger than the Jabra Move.

I was able to get them on sale on Amazon Canada during Boxing Week for $124.99 
Canadian which is under $100 US so that was a really good deal.

I love the controls, the on/off is a button, but the headphones have a very 
pleasant and high quality female voice and say things like “Power On”, “Power 
Off”, “Pairing mode” etc.

The play/pause is on the right ear and it’s a button but it ccan also be 
pusshed up/down for skip/jump back and if you push and hold it it will fast 
forward/rewind.

They sound fantastic, are very comfortable and what I would expect from Sony. I 
have seen reviews where they are favouribly compared with Bose and Beats 
headsets which cost much more.

 

The last item I bought is a dual mode bluetooth receiver/transmitter, it can 
connect to a TV, stereo etc. by 3.5mm/RCA analogue or optical digital 
connection and this allows you to make a non-bluetooth device into one you can 
listen to with a 

Re: OCR for German Text?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Harry,

KNFBReader does support German. I just checked and the languages are English, 
French, Spanish and German.

Cheers,

Anne



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> Regards
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OCR for German Text?

[Harry Bell]

I have just started a German class and would like to be able to OCR German text 
using my iPhone. Does anybody know of an app which will do this? KNFB reader 
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Re: on the market for a new bluetooth keyboard

[Ryan Mann]

I use a Logitech Easy Switch.  It can charge by USB and be paired with three 
different devices.  You can switch between them with F1 through F3.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 12, 2018, at 5:54 AM, Rebecca Ilniski  wrote:
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> Hi all.  I’m on the market for a new Bluetooth keyboard.  I’ve heard about 
> the IClever foldable one but don’t know how easy it is to pare.  I have the 
> amazon one but the I is not working on it any longer.  So with that in mind 
> what keyboard do you recommend?  I’d like one with normal size keys and one 
> that can charge via USB.  Thanks. 
>  
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on the market for a new bluetooth keyboard

[Rebecca Ilniski]

Hi all.  I'm on the market for a new Bluetooth keyboard.  I've heard about
the IClever foldable one but don't know how easy it is to pare.  I have the
amazon one but the I is not working on it any longer.  So with that in mind
what keyboard do you recommend?  I'd like one with normal size keys and one
that can charge via USB.  Thanks.  

 

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Re: Taking a screenshot

[lenron brown]

the home and power button.

On 1/12/18, alex  wrote:
> Can someone please remind me how to take a screenshot in ios11!
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[alex]

Can someone please remind me how to take a screenshot in ios11!

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