Accessible video conferencing

['ChalmersAS' via VIPhone]

Hi all

I must say whenever I have tried Skype I have found it quite tricky, so I will 
give Zoom a bash. Thanks all for the suggestions.

I think I like the idea of a 45 minute cut off. It may concentrate some 
people’s minds:)

Best

Adrienne

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Re: VO talking in lock screen

[Kay Malmquist]

Well, I just checked it out and guess what, it's turned off. So, I turned it on 
and then back off again I'll see what happens. Don't think that's it. I think 
it has something to do with the lock screen but I'm not sure.

Kay Malmquist
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On Jan 20, 2018, at 11:15 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do and whether you tried this or 
not, but maybe you want to turn always speak notifications off in Settings -> 
General -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver.

> On 01/20/2018 11:11 PM, Kay Malmquist wrote:
> Okay, let me try to explain this.  When my screen is locked and I get a 
> notification, the screen doesn't unlock, but it notifies me of a 
> notification.  For instance my skybell or parcel track or a message or 
> something like that.  The problem I have is that my screen will come to life 
> and tell me the time.  Just like if you pressed the power button.  I am 
> running IOS 10 and wonder if someone can tell me how to just stop  any 
> speech?  By the way, this is with mute on.  The only way I can get it to shut 
> up is to turn speech off.  I know there is another way because my husbands 
> iPhone does not do this when he has his screen locked.  Yes, I have gone in 
> to notifications and set things to where I would like them.  There has to be 
> a locked screen setting or Voice over thing I am missing.  Any thoughts?  
> Thanks much.
>  
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
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Re: VO talking in lock screen

[Kay Malmquist]

Well, I'll just have to change that and see what happens.  I knew there was 
something somewhere that I was missing.  Thanks much for that tip.  Take 
care.

Kay Malmquist
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Christopher Chaltain
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 11:15 PM
  Subject: Re: VO talking in lock screen


  I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do and whether you tried this 
or not, but maybe you want to turn always speak notifications off in 
Settings -> General -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver.




  On 01/20/2018 11:11 PM, Kay Malmquist wrote:

Okay, let me try to explain this.  When my screen is locked and I get a 
notification, the screen doesn't unlock, but it notifies me of a 
notification.  For instance my skybell or parcel track or a message or 
something like that.  The problem I have is that my screen will come to life 
and tell me the time.  Just like if you pressed the power button.  I am 
running IOS 10 and wonder if someone can tell me how to just stop  any 
speech?  By the way, this is with mute on.  The only way I can get it to 
shut up is to turn speech off.  I know there is another way because my 
husbands iPhone does not do this when he has his screen locked.  Yes, I have 
gone in to notifications and set things to where I would like them.  There 
has to be a locked screen setting or Voice over thing I am missing.  Any 
thoughts?  Thanks much.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

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Re: VO talking in lock screen

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do and whether you tried this 
or not, but maybe you want to turn always speak notifications off in 
Settings -> General -> Accessibility -> VoiceOver.



On 01/20/2018 11:11 PM, Kay Malmquist wrote:
Okay, let me try to explain this.  When my screen is locked and I get 
a notification, the screen doesn't unlock, but it notifies me of a 
notification. For instance my skybell or parcel track or a message or 
something like that.  The problem I have is that my screen will come 
to life and tell me the time.  Just like if you pressed the power 
button.  I am running IOS 10 and wonder if someone can tell me how to 
just stop  any speech?  By the way, this is with mute on.  The only 
way I can get it to shut up is to turn speech off.  I know there is 
another way because my husbands iPhone does not do this when he has 
his screen locked.  Yes, I have gone in to notifications and set 
things to where I would like them.  There has to be a locked screen 
setting or Voice over thing I am missing.  Any thoughts? Thanks much.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com 
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VO talking in lock screen

[Kay Malmquist]

Okay, let me try to explain this.  When my screen is locked and I get a 
notification, the screen doesn't unlock, but it notifies me of a 
notification.  For instance my skybell or parcel track or a message or 
something like that.  The problem I have is that my screen will come to life 
and tell me the time.  Just like if you pressed the power button.  I am 
running IOS 10 and wonder if someone can tell me how to just stop  any 
speech?  By the way, this is with mute on.  The only way I can get it to 
shut up is to turn speech off.  I know there is another way because my 
husbands iPhone does not do this when he has his screen locked.  Yes, I have 
gone in to notifications and set things to where I would like them.  There 
has to be a locked screen setting or Voice over thing I am missing.  Any 
thoughts?  Thanks much.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

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Re: Optimising use of SIRI

[Marie Lyons]

I’m not sure if this happens all the time, but I have seen a “return to Siri” 
in the upper left corner of the screen. I haven’t tried it in this 
circumstance. Perhaps others know?

Marie Lyons

> On Jan 20, 2018, at 2:45 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I do not have a solution for the web search issues with Siri. It does not 
> read those kind of results, you do have to use VoiceOver and I have no idea 
> how to get back to the list of links other than trying the same command with 
> Siri again. Not ideal.
> 
> AS for using Siri to compose Email, I don't use it unless the Email is one 
> fairly short sentence.  Siri stops listening if you pause for a half a 
> second...
> Now, I have been known to use dictation in the body of an Email.  Once in the 
> body of a reply or new Email, do the two-finger double tap and you'll hear a 
> ding, then you can dictate for up to about 30 seconds before Siri will begin 
> converting your speech to text.  If you are done before that time, do another 
> two-finger double tap to let it know you are done.
> That way, pausing isn't an issue.
> 
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> ] On Behalf Of Turabh
> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 11:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Optimising use of SIRI
> 
> Thanks for your inputs  particularly Richard for the detailed explanations. 
> Wel I often  use SsIRI for hunting  something on Google, she  stops after  
> showing up the  link
> Sss.. I  find this quite  irritating as on one hand I have tooopen the  links 
> and read myself  and also I  find no way to return to the  list of links if I 
> may  call it, after  browsing one link . Any workarounds? Also, reading and 
> typing messages and mails is quite convenient with viceover. What edge does 
> SIRI give?t from my iPhone
> 
>> On 20-Jan-2018, at 8:41 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Here is some suggested uses and instructions for Siri commands:
>> 
>> How to Use Siri
>> 
>> To use Hey Siri, open settings, arrow down to Siri & Search, enable Listen 
>> for "Hey Siri" and follow directions on the screen.  After Siri learns the 
>> sound of your voice, to activate Siri without touching the phone, just say, 
>> "Hey Siri" and give your command or question.  (The phone does not have to 
>> be plugged in if it is a 6S or newer to use Hey Siri.)
>> 
>> To use Siri when touching the home button, open settings, arrow down to Siri 
>> and Search, enable Press Home for Siri.  Then hold down the home button to 
>> activate Siri. Continue holding the home button until you finish saying your 
>> command or question.  Let go of the home button and Siri will respond.
>> 
>> Things you can do with Siri
>> 
>> If you want to use VoiceOver, ask Siri to turn on or turn off VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Ask Siri to call someone in your contacts: "Siri, call Sam Jones."  If you 
>> have more than one phone number, Siri will ask which number you want to use.
>> 
>> Ask Siri to call a business: "Siri, call Rite Aid Pharmacy." 
>> 
>> Ask Siri to play your voice mail.
>> 
>> Ask Siri to make a call on speaker phone.
>> 
>> Ask Siri to send a text message.  Say, "Siri, send a text message to John."  
>> Then Siri will ask, "What do you want to say?" Answer, "call me at 6:00 pm." 
>>  Then Siri will read back the text and ask are you ready to send it? Say 
>> "Yes."
>> 
>> Ask Siri to read text messages. You can ask to have my last text message 
>> read or read my unread text messages or read my text message from Sally.
>> 
>> Ask Siri to send an Email to someone.  Say, "Siri, send an email to Sue 
>> Jones." Siri will ask, "What do you want to say?" Dictate your message being 
>> careful not to pause until you have finished the entire message. Then Siri 
>> will read back the text and ask are you ready to send it? Say "Yes" or "No." 
>> 
>> Ask Siri to read Emails.  Siri can read the unread emails, last email, or 
>> from a particular sender.
>> 
>> Ask Siri to create a calendar appointment.  Say, "Schedule an appointment 
>> titled Dr. Smith for January 6 at 2:00 pm." Siri will read back the 
>> appointment info and will ask if you want to schedule it; if you say, "yes," 
>> the appointment will appear on your calendar.  If you say "No," Siri will 
>> give you options to cancel or change parts of the appointment.
>> 
>> Ask Siri what appointments you have scheduled for a particular day or week.
>> 
>> Ask Siri to create a note.  The first line of a note will be the title of 
>> that note.  While dictating a note, speak the punctuation you want to use 
>> and if you want to make a list, say "new line."
>> 
>> Ask Siri to search notes.
>> 
>> Ask Siri to remind me to do something---example, take medicine at 7:00 am, 
>> take garbage out on Wednesday.
>> Remind me to call my daughter every Friday. Re

Re: disabled iPhone X

[Anthony Vece]

Your best bet is to call Apple Accessibility.
That’s what I would do.
They are open 24 hours.
(877) 204-3930


> On Jan 20, 2018, at 10:49 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> No luck. Error restoring iPhone fro iTunes. Stuck in the firmware recovery 
> mode, and cannot exit it. Tried the below steps and we are stuck.
>  
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 8:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: disabled iPhone X
>  
> Hello Sarai,
>  
> I believe you will need to put your iPhone into DFU mode in order to restore 
> it.
>  
> The following is an article on how to do this.
>  
> Good Luck and let us know how it goes.
>  
> Mark
>  
> circle in transitioning its users away from the home button present since the 
> first iPhone a decade ago. This gives us a window into Apple's design 
> philosophy moving forward, but it also presents some new problems, especially 
> when it comes to entering and exiting DFU mode in iTunes.
>  
> Even though the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus still sport home buttons, they are 
> capacitive like the iPhone 7 series and serve no function when they're shut 
> off. As such, booting all these new iPhones up into DFU mode requires a 
> different method than us analog-home button holdouts are used to.
>  
> Device Firmware Upgrade mode — DFU mode, for short — is a handy way of 
> restoring an unresponsive iPhone back to its factory settings. Though rarely 
> used thanks in large part of iOS's stability, the ability to boot up your 
> iPhone into DFU mode is still an important knowledge to have in the event 
> that your device becomes unstable or bricked.
> •How to Force Restart Your iPhone 8 or iPhone 8 Plus When It's Acting Up
> •How to Shut Down and Restart the iPhone X
>  
> As far as the hardware button combination required to enter DFU mode on your 
> iPhone 8, 8 Plus, or X, the volume down button has effectively taken over the 
> home button's role in performing this vital function. However, if you're 
> already familiar with putting an iPhone 7 or older into DFU mode, you can't 
> simply do what you've done before by substituting the volume down key for the 
> home button. It's a little more complicated than that now.
>  
> Before we proceed, please note that restoring an iOS device via DFU mode will 
> completely wipe it clean, so make sure to back up your iPhone X through 
> iTunes or iCloud if you have important data that you can't live without. You 
> have been warned! You can exit DFU mode fairly easily though, should you need 
> to, if that scares you at all.
>  
> Requirements
> •Mac or Windows computer
> •latest version of iTunes installed
> •Lightning USB cable
>  
> Step 1Connect Your iPhone to Your Mac or PC
>  
> To get started, you'll need to connect your iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, or 
> iPhone X to your Mac or PC. Wait for your iPhone to fully connect, and launch 
> iTunes if it didn't do so automatically since you want to make sure the 
> program is able to fully sync with your iPhone.
>  
> Step 2Boot Your iPhone in DFU Mode
> Before we get started, it is very important to note that if your iPhone 
> either fully boots up or enters recovery mode by displaying "Connect to 
> iTunes" on its screen at any point during this process, you'll have to go 
> back to Step 1 to do it all over. As such, we highly recommend carefully 
> reading through this step before physically attempting to do it in order to 
> save time. That said, let's get started.
>  
> With your powered-up iPhone still connected to your computer with iTunes 
> open, do the following steps.
>  
> 1.Quick-press the volume up button.
> 2.Quick-press the volume down button.
> 3.Press and hold the side button until the screen goes black.
> 4.Release the side button once the screen blacks out, then ...
> 5.Quickly press and hold both the side and volume down buttons together for 5 
> seconds.
> 6.After 5 seconds, release the side button without letting go of the volume 
> down button.
> 7.Continue holding down the volume down button for at least 5 seconds.
>  
> The key to that final step above is to pay close attention to your computer — 
> if an iPhone recovery prompt from within iTunes pops up, release the volume 
> down button and check your iPhone's display. If the screen is black, it means 
> you've successfully entered DFU mode.
>  
> Now that you've successfully booted up your iPhone into DFU mode, you can hit 
> "OK" to close the iTunes recovery prompt and proceed to restore it back to 
> factory settings by selecting "Restore iPhone" under iPhone Recovery Mode 
> inside iTunes. Once it's successfully restored, your iPhone 8, 8 Plus, or X 
> will automatically exit out of DFU mode and boo

RE: disabled iPhone X

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

No luck. Error restoring iPhone fro iTunes. Stuck in the firmware recovery 
mode, and cannot exit it. Tried the below steps and we are stuck.

 

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 8:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: disabled iPhone X

 

Hello Sarai,

 

I believe you will need to put your iPhone into DFU mode in order to restore it.

 

The following is an article on how to do this.

 

Good Luck and let us know how it goes.

 

Mark

 

circle in transitioning its users away from the home button present since the 
first iPhone a decade ago. This gives us a window into Apple's design 
philosophy moving forward, but it also presents some new problems, especially 
when it comes to entering and exiting DFU mode in iTunes.

 

Even though the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus still sport home buttons, they are 
capacitive like the iPhone 7 series and serve no function when they're shut 
off. As such, booting all these new iPhones up into DFU mode requires a 
different method than us analog-home button holdouts are used to.

 

Device Firmware Upgrade mode — DFU mode, for short — is a handy way of 
restoring an unresponsive iPhone back to its factory settings. Though rarely 
used thanks in large part of iOS's stability, the ability to boot up your 
iPhone into DFU mode is still an important knowledge to have in the event that 
your device becomes unstable or bricked.

•How to Force Restart Your iPhone 8 or iPhone 8 Plus When It's Acting Up

•How to Shut Down and Restart the iPhone X

 

As far as the hardware button combination required to enter DFU mode on your 
iPhone 8, 8 Plus, or X, the volume down button has effectively taken over the 
home button's role in performing this vital function. However, if you're 
already familiar with putting an iPhone 7 or older into DFU mode, you can't 
simply do what you've done before by substituting the volume down key for the 
home button. It's a little more complicated than that now.

 

Before we proceed, please note that restoring an iOS device via DFU mode will 
completely wipe it clean, so make sure to back up your iPhone X through iTunes 
or iCloud if you have important data that you can't live without. You have been 
warned! You can exit DFU mode fairly easily though, should you need to, if that 
scares you at all.

 

Requirements

•Mac or Windows computer

•latest version of iTunes installed

•Lightning USB cable

 

Step 1Connect Your iPhone to Your Mac or PC

 

To get started, you'll need to connect your iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, or iPhone 
X to your Mac or PC. Wait for your iPhone to fully connect, and launch iTunes 
if it didn't do so automatically since you want to make sure the program is 
able to fully sync with your iPhone.

 

Step 2Boot Your iPhone in DFU Mode

Before we get started, it is very important to note that if your iPhone either 
fully boots up or enters recovery mode by displaying "Connect to iTunes" on its 
screen at any point during this process, you'll have to go back to Step 1 to do 
it all over. As such, we highly recommend carefully reading through this step 
before physically attempting to do it in order to save time. That said, let's 
get started.

 

With your powered-up iPhone still connected to your computer with iTunes open, 
do the following steps.

 

1.Quick-press the volume up button.

2.Quick-press the volume down button.

3.Press and hold the side button until the screen goes black.

4.Release the side button once the screen blacks out, then ...

5.Quickly press and hold both the side and volume down buttons together for 5 
seconds.

6.After 5 seconds, release the side button without letting go of the volume 
down button.

7.Continue holding down the volume down button for at least 5 seconds.

 

The key to that final step above is to pay close attention to your computer — 
if an iPhone recovery prompt from within iTunes pops up, release the volume 
down button and check your iPhone's display. If the screen is black, it means 
you've successfully entered DFU mode.

 

Now that you've successfully booted up your iPhone into DFU mode, you can hit 
"OK" to close the iTunes recovery prompt and proceed to restore it back to 
factory settings by selecting "Restore iPhone" under iPhone Recovery Mode 
inside iTunes. Once it's successfully restored, your iPhone 8, 8 Plus, or X 
will automatically exit out of DFU mode and boot up to its initial activation 
screen.

 

Exiting Out of DFU Mode

 

As unlikely as it sounds, I've encountered plenty of seemingly bricked iPhones 
in my days as a tech that customers inadvertently put into DFU mode. Thanks to 
its new button combination, though, the likelihood of accidentally entering DFU 
mode has been reduced almost entirely.

 

In the event that you put your iPhone 8, 8 Plus, or X into DFU m

Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

No scanning software should be trusted with things like tax forms. Not 
Openbook, Kurzweil or anything on a phone. Accuracy is simply too important.
Just My Opinion,
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 20, 2018, at 5:52 PM, kelby carlson 
mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well, for certain documents where accurate results are absolutely essential 
(tax forms, for example) I'm not sure either will work completely.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Below is a scan of the back cover of a paperback first done with Seeing AI.  
Following that, is the same back cover done with KNFB Reader.  Sitting at my 
desk using my iPhone SE.

Back cover with Seeing AI:

and Heroism!

ARE YOU READY?

iant earthquakes and tsunamis devastate western Oregon every 300 to 600 years. 
The last one hit in 1700, so we're due anytime. This informative, entertaining
book tells the stories of Oregon's past floods, fires, and eruptions. Then it 
investigates the cycles behind our natural disasters and takes a look at
what may happen when the next "Big One" strikes.

Also by WILLIAM L. SULLIVAN

Oregon Inrs& I rails - Cabm Fever - l_ustenmg for Covote

The 100 lltkes" sent•sfor Oregon • A Peeper J Vilå

History - [rplonng Oregon' Wild Areas - 17K Case of[msfem's Vtoltn

Navillus Press

1958 Onvx Street

Eugene, OR 97403 
aww.oregonhiking.com

ISBN 0-9815701-0-0 S18.95


Now the same back cover done with KNFB Reader:

FfJt ^ ^^^ and Heroism • , • ^ ? ARE YOU READY? Giant edrthquakcs iin -1 
tsunamis (.lcviist^tc western Oregon every 300 to 600 years. The last one hit 
in 1700, so we're due anytime. Tliis infonritttivc, enterLuning Ixiok tells the 
stories of Oregon's past floods, fires, anJ eruptions. Then it iiivcsti^tcs the 
cycles behind our natural dis^stei-s tUtd ttikes a look At what nuy happen 
wlicn tltc next "Big One'' strikes. I hkiH^ Or^^n's. ii^t^ty l' ^! ^nn^0fv^m^ 
ilti Arc^ " Tfy C ^ tfr:n (n t h') n Also by WILLIAM L. SULLIVAN Vh' "1W Hike^' 
f;i4i l ~l ^ •fw.- A" Onyn • A Pci' vr l ,;J 1W Onv Stnvt I'u^w, OR 97403 - . , 
-. y rf -M^ - - S1S05 •-• •^ 80S

Richard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kelby carlson
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 2:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

That is the precise experience I have. I today used it on some other documents 
besides the court ones I described, with the same result; KNFB Reader gave much 
better quality and was much easier to get the document in view of the camera.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Nancy Badger 
mailto:nancybad...@icloud.com>> wrote:
The only reason I use kNFB FB reader now is  is when I want to have more than 
one page in a single document. I don’t think seeing AI does that yet.
Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

On Jan 20, 2018, at 2:21 PM, 
englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
I've not had much luck with Seeing AI's document channel, either. Strange. I'm 
getting a bit better at getting the hold steady announcement a little faster--I 
guess all that practice with KNFB was helpful--but once the pic is processed by 
Seeing AI, 99% of the time, I get a message about there being no text. It's 
super frustrating. And since I'm pretty sure Seeing AI's default is to control 
the flash automatically, and since I do get results on the same text using the 
short text channel, I have no idea why this is happening.


Thanks,
Ari

On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
That is not my experience at all.
But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera to 
a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode is 
to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes the 
focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really designed 
for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.
But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update this 
year for KNFB.
Something I've asked for since it was released.
Here's hoping it finally happens.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson 
mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So, I'm now working in a court and

RE: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and accessible app?

[Doc wright]

How are these locks powered and do you need it installed by a professional?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: January 20, 2018 02:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and 
accessible app?

 

Wow, both my keypad locks have the two rows with the lock button all by its 
lonesome above the 3 which is right in the middle above the top row.

I really don’t find this at all inconvenient. I did have a lock before with a 
phone keypad layout and once I got the other one it became second nature after 
a few days.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
englishride...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 11:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and 
accessible app?

 

My mom has a keypad lock like the one you mentioned. It drives me crazy, 
because the numbers go from 1-5 along the top row, and 6-0 along the bottom 
next row, with some unknown button right underneath the 8. I really wish it had 
the numbers in a standard telephone layout, but I'm at their house so rarely 
that it's not really a big deal. If I ever did get a keypad lock like this, I'd 
like to find one with the numbers in the standard telephone layout.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Jan 17, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Most of these locks are available at Home Depot, Best Buy also has some, but at 
least Best Buy Canada does not seem to sell the Schlage Sense.

Definitely if you want just a basic electronic lock with keypad Home Depot or 
another large building supply store is a good place to start.

Amazon of course sells most of them as well.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rebecca Sabo
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and 
accessible app?

 

Hi , 

where do you get this lock?

Becky 

On Jan 14, 2018, at 11:22 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 

Installing a basic electronic lock is not super-difficult, but you might want 
to have a backup plan, somebody you can call and ask for help, just in case.

 

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com[ 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 9:43 AM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and 
accessible app?

 

Thanks a million folks for this valuable information. 

I do not have a security company, and I have no intention to hire one.  It is 
simply not needed in my area.

I asked my question because I have a tendency to lock myself out often.  That 
is why I thought of fingerprint or digital lock.

Now, I wonder how hard is it to install these locks.  Do I need to hire a 
specialist to assemble and install these kinds of locks, or I would be able to 
do it myself?  When it comes to the regular mechanical locks with keys, I 
always change them myself without hiring a Locksmith. I am not sure how hard it 
would be to install a digital lock by myself!

Cheers,

Cris

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com[ 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 11:56 AM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and 
accessible app?

 

Find out the exact model and Google it, you’ll find all the features, specs and 
most likely a user manual in PDF.

I don’t know why anybody in their right mind would want to Alexa enable a 
doorlock. Alexa has no security as far as I can tell and if somebody knows you 
have Alexa and a smart doorlock that works with it all they have to do is walk 
up to an open window and ask Alexa to unlock your door. If I want to unlock my 
Schlage Sense with SIRI it only works if I first unlock my phone with Touch Id 
or my passcode.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com[ 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kay Malmquist
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 6:10 AM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and 
accessible app?

 

We have a Yale key pad lock on our door that was provided by our security 
company and I was wondering if anyone knows where we can get the users guide or 
find out more how to use it.  I don't want to have to asks the installer every 
time I want to set another code for someone.  I also want to know if they have 
an app so we don't have to wade through  <

RE: disabled iPhone X

[M. Taylor]

Hello Sarai,

 

I believe you will need to put your iPhone into DFU mode in order to restore it.

 

The following is an article on how to do this.

 

Good Luck and let us know how it goes.

 

Mark

 

circle in transitioning its users away from the home button present since the 
first iPhone a decade ago. This gives us a window into Apple's design 
philosophy moving forward, but it also presents some new problems, especially 
when it comes to entering and exiting DFU mode in iTunes.

 

Even though the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus still sport home buttons, they are 
capacitive like the iPhone 7 series and serve no function when they're shut 
off. As such, booting all these new iPhones up into DFU mode requires a 
different method than us analog-home button holdouts are used to.

 

Device Firmware Upgrade mode — DFU mode, for short — is a handy way of 
restoring an unresponsive iPhone back to its factory settings. Though rarely 
used thanks in large part of iOS's stability, the ability to boot up your 
iPhone into DFU mode is still an important knowledge to have in the event that 
your device becomes unstable or bricked.

•How to Force Restart Your iPhone 8 or iPhone 8 Plus When It's Acting Up

•How to Shut Down and Restart the iPhone X

 

As far as the hardware button combination required to enter DFU mode on your 
iPhone 8, 8 Plus, or X, the volume down button has effectively taken over the 
home button's role in performing this vital function. However, if you're 
already familiar with putting an iPhone 7 or older into DFU mode, you can't 
simply do what you've done before by substituting the volume down key for the 
home button. It's a little more complicated than that now.

 

Before we proceed, please note that restoring an iOS device via DFU mode will 
completely wipe it clean, so make sure to back up your iPhone X through iTunes 
or iCloud if you have important data that you can't live without. You have been 
warned! You can exit DFU mode fairly easily though, should you need to, if that 
scares you at all.

 

Requirements

•Mac or Windows computer

•latest version of iTunes installed

•Lightning USB cable

 

Step 1Connect Your iPhone to Your Mac or PC

 

To get started, you'll need to connect your iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, or iPhone 
X to your Mac or PC. Wait for your iPhone to fully connect, and launch iTunes 
if it didn't do so automatically since you want to make sure the program is 
able to fully sync with your iPhone.

 

Step 2Boot Your iPhone in DFU Mode

Before we get started, it is very important to note that if your iPhone either 
fully boots up or enters recovery mode by displaying "Connect to iTunes" on its 
screen at any point during this process, you'll have to go back to Step 1 to do 
it all over. As such, we highly recommend carefully reading through this step 
before physically attempting to do it in order to save time. That said, let's 
get started.

 

With your powered-up iPhone still connected to your computer with iTunes open, 
do the following steps.

 

1.Quick-press the volume up button.

2.Quick-press the volume down button.

3.Press and hold the side button until the screen goes black.

4.Release the side button once the screen blacks out, then ...

5.Quickly press and hold both the side and volume down buttons together for 5 
seconds.

6.After 5 seconds, release the side button without letting go of the volume 
down button.

7.Continue holding down the volume down button for at least 5 seconds.

 

The key to that final step above is to pay close attention to your computer — 
if an iPhone recovery prompt from within iTunes pops up, release the volume 
down button and check your iPhone's display. If the screen is black, it means 
you've successfully entered DFU mode.

 

Now that you've successfully booted up your iPhone into DFU mode, you can hit 
"OK" to close the iTunes recovery prompt and proceed to restore it back to 
factory settings by selecting "Restore iPhone" under iPhone Recovery Mode 
inside iTunes. Once it's successfully restored, your iPhone 8, 8 Plus, or X 
will automatically exit out of DFU mode and boot up to its initial activation 
screen.

 

Exiting Out of DFU Mode

 

As unlikely as it sounds, I've encountered plenty of seemingly bricked iPhones 
in my days as a tech that customers inadvertently put into DFU mode. Thanks to 
its new button combination, though, the likelihood of accidentally entering DFU 
mode has been reduced almost entirely.

 

In the event that you put your iPhone 8, 8 Plus, or X into DFU mode — whether 
on purpose or not — and want to get out, you can safely exit out of DFU mode by 
performing the following.

1.Quick-press the volume up button.

2.Quick-press the volume down button.

3.Press and hold the side button for at least 10 seconds — until you see the 
Apple boot screen.

 

After that, iOS 11 should start up and you'll be prompted to enter your 
passcode before being able to unlock the iPhone.

 

Original Article at:

http

disabled iPhone X

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hello:

I could use some help.! My dad disabled his iPhone X by not typing in the
password right. We cannot get voiceover on. We tried using iTunes recovery
mode and got an error. I have access to my own mac, a windows machine, and
dad's icloud account info. How can I get the phone back to factory defaults
so we can start over?

 

Sarai D Bucciarelli  
www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

 

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Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[kelby carlson]

Well, for certain documents where accurate results are absolutely essential 
(tax forms, for example) I'm not sure either will work completely.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Below is a scan of the back cover of a paperback first done with Seeing AI.  
> Following that, is the same back cover done with KNFB Reader.  Sitting at my 
> desk using my iPhone SE.
>  
> Back cover with Seeing AI:
>  
> and Heroism!
>  
> ARE YOU READY?
>  
> iant earthquakes and tsunamis devastate western Oregon every 300 to 600 
> years. The last one hit in 1700, so we're due anytime. This informative, 
> entertaining
> book tells the stories of Oregon's past floods, fires, and eruptions. Then it 
> investigates the cycles behind our natural disasters and takes a look at
> what may happen when the next "Big One" strikes.
>  
> Also by WILLIAM L. SULLIVAN
>  
> Oregon Inrs& I rails - Cabm Fever - l_ustenmg for Covote
>  
> The 100 lltkes" sent•sfor Oregon • A Peeper J Vilå
>  
> History - [rplonng Oregon' Wild Areas - 17K Case of[msfem's Vtoltn
>  
> Navillus Press
>  
> 1958 Onvx Street
>  
> Eugene, OR 97403 aww.oregonhiking.com
>  
> ISBN 0-9815701-0-0 S18.95
>  
>  
> Now the same back cover done with KNFB Reader:
>  
> FfJt ^ ^^^ and Heroism • , • ^ ? ARE YOU READY? Giant edrthquakcs iin -1 
> tsunamis (.lcviist^tc western Oregon every 300 to 600 years. The last one hit 
> in 1700, so we're due anytime. Tliis infonritttivc, enterLuning Ixiok tells 
> the stories of Oregon's past floods, fires, anJ eruptions. Then it 
> iiivcsti^tcs the cycles behind our natural dis^stei-s tUtd ttikes a look At 
> what nuy happen wlicn tltc next "Big One'' strikes. I hkiH^ Or^^n's. ii^t^ty 
> l' ^! ^nn^0fv^m^ ilti Arc^ " Tfy C ^ tfr:n (n t h') n Also by WILLIAM L. 
> SULLIVAN Vh' "1W Hike^' f;i4i l ~l ^ •fw.- A" Onyn • A Pci' vr l ,;J 1W Onv 
> Stnvt I'u^w, OR 97403 - . , -. y rf -M^ - - S1S05 •-• •^ 80S
>  
> Richard
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> kelby carlson
> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 2:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI
>  
> That is the precise experience I have. I today used it on some other 
> documents besides the court ones I described, with the same result; KNFB 
> Reader gave much better quality and was much easier to get the document in 
> view of the camera.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 20, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> The only reason I use kNFB FB reader now is  is when I want to have more than 
> one page in a single document. I don’t think seeing AI does that yet.
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Executive Director of Counseling
> Old Dominion University
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
> 
> On Jan 20, 2018, at 2:21 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I've not had much luck with Seeing AI's document channel, either. Strange. 
> I'm getting a bit better at getting the hold steady announcement a little 
> faster--I guess all that practice with KNFB was helpful--but once the pic is 
> processed by Seeing AI, 99% of the time, I get a message about there being no 
> text. It's super frustrating. And since I'm pretty sure Seeing AI's default 
> is to control the flash automatically, and since I do get results on the same 
> text using the short text channel, I have no idea why this is happening.
>  
>  
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> That is not my experience at all.
> But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
> With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera 
> to a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode 
> is to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes 
> the focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really 
> designed for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.
> But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
> Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update 
> this year for KNFB.
> Something I've asked for since it was released.
> Here's hoping it finally happens.
> Richard
>  
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
> So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper documents. 
> So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to really compare 
> KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I bought it) and 
> Seeing AI.
> 
> My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
> country mile.
> 
> Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the basic 
> information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with Seeing 
> AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edge

RE: overdrive questions

[M. Taylor]

Hello Rebecca,

While you ask two very simple questions, the answers are a little more 
complicated.  This is because the explore-by-touch method works best when using 
OverDrive, via VoiceOver.

Rather than attempting to write a lengthy post with what may appear to be a 
somewhat ambiguous explanation, I invite you to contact me, off-list, with your 
phone number and the best times to contact you and we can go through the 
process, together.

As I have stated on several occasions, I am a huge fan of OverDrive, using it 
every single day to download and read audiobooks, via VoiceOver.  Because of 
some video display bleed-through, however, the interface can be confusing to a 
new user of the app, via VoiceOver.

Another option is to have a sighted friend explore the app with you as you use 
it with VoiceOver.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rebecca Ilniski
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 11:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: overdrive questions

Hi everyone. I just got an account with my library and am set up on overdrive 
in my account. I have some questions. how do i search for a book? Also once 
I've found the book how do I access it? What's the easiest way to do this with 
voice over? I have a 7 plus with the latest IOS. thanks. 

Rebecca and Zeb
email: rilni...@gmail.com
Twitter: applegirl1994

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RE: Lock orientation

[PKwanashie]

Thanks. It is there, indeed, and is on, but my phone still sometimes switches 
from portrait to landscape and back when I move it quickly.  It’s been driving 
me crazy.  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 6:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Lock orientation

 

It is still there in the Control Center.

Touch in the Status bar with one finger, then flick up with three fingers.

On my iPhone SE, it is the first item in the third row.

 

HTH,

Richard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of PKwanashie
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 3:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Lock orientation

 

Hello, 

 

Is the orientation lock no longer available on IOS 11?  I recently had to reset 
my iPhone 7 plus and, try as I might, I have not been able to locate the 
setting for locking the orientation mode to portrait.  I do not like my phone 
switching from portrait to landscape and back whenever I adjust the phone’s 
position or my grip of the phone.  Is the lock orientation feature no longer 
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RE: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

Below is a scan of the back cover of a paperback first done with Seeing AI.  
Following that, is the same back cover done with KNFB Reader.  Sitting at my 
desk using my iPhone SE.

Back cover with Seeing AI:

and Heroism!

ARE YOU READY?

iant earthquakes and tsunamis devastate western Oregon every 300 to 600 years. 
The last one hit in 1700, so we're due anytime. This informative, entertaining
book tells the stories of Oregon's past floods, fires, and eruptions. Then it 
investigates the cycles behind our natural disasters and takes a look at
what may happen when the next "Big One" strikes.

Also by WILLIAM L. SULLIVAN

Oregon Inrs& I rails - Cabm Fever - l_ustenmg for Covote

The 100 lltkes" sent•sfor Oregon • A Peeper J Vilå

History - [rplonng Oregon' Wild Areas - 17K Case of[msfem's Vtoltn

Navillus Press

1958 Onvx Street

Eugene, OR 97403 aww.oregonhiking.com

ISBN 0-9815701-0-0 S18.95


Now the same back cover done with KNFB Reader:

FfJt ^ ^^^ and Heroism • , • ^ ? ARE YOU READY? Giant edrthquakcs iin -1 
tsunamis (.lcviist^tc western Oregon every 300 to 600 years. The last one hit 
in 1700, so we're due anytime. Tliis infonritttivc, enterLuning Ixiok tells the 
stories of Oregon's past floods, fires, anJ eruptions. Then it iiivcsti^tcs the 
cycles behind our natural dis^stei-s tUtd ttikes a look At what nuy happen 
wlicn tltc next "Big One'' strikes. I hkiH^ Or^^n's. ii^t^ty l' ^! ^nn^0fv^m^ 
ilti Arc^ " Tfy C ^ tfr:n (n t h') n Also by WILLIAM L. SULLIVAN Vh' "1W Hike^' 
f;i4i l ~l ^ •fw.- A" Onyn • A Pci' vr l ,;J 1W Onv Stnvt I'u^w, OR 97403 - . , 
-. y rf -M^ - - S1S05 •-• •^ 80S

Richard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
kelby carlson
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 2:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

That is the precise experience I have. I today used it on some other documents 
besides the court ones I described, with the same result; KNFB Reader gave much 
better quality and was much easier to get the document in view of the camera.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Nancy Badger 
mailto:nancybad...@icloud.com>> wrote:
The only reason I use kNFB FB reader now is  is when I want to have more than 
one page in a single document. I don’t think seeing AI does that yet.
Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

On Jan 20, 2018, at 2:21 PM, 
englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
I've not had much luck with Seeing AI's document channel, either. Strange. I'm 
getting a bit better at getting the hold steady announcement a little faster--I 
guess all that practice with KNFB was helpful--but once the pic is processed by 
Seeing AI, 99% of the time, I get a message about there being no text. It's 
super frustrating. And since I'm pretty sure Seeing AI's default is to control 
the flash automatically, and since I do get results on the same text using the 
short text channel, I have no idea why this is happening.


Thanks,
Ari

On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
That is not my experience at all.
But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera to 
a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode is 
to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes the 
focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really designed 
for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.
But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update this 
year for KNFB.
Something I've asked for since it was released.
Here's hoping it finally happens.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson 
mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper documents. 
So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to really compare 
KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I bought it) and 
Seeing AI.

My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
country mile.

Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the basic 
information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with Seeing 
AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not visible no 
matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone really high and 
got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not recognize a bit of text.

With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very few 
flaws at all.

In each case I'm

RE: Lock orientation

[Richard Turner]

It is still there in the Control Center.
Touch in the Status bar with one finger, then flick up with three fingers.
On my iPhone SE, it is the first item in the third row.

HTH,
Richard

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Lock orientation

Hello,

Is the orientation lock no longer available on IOS 11?  I recently had to reset 
my iPhone 7 plus and, try as I might, I have not been able to locate the 
setting for locking the orientation mode to portrait.  I do not like my phone 
switching from portrait to landscape and back whenever I adjust the phone’s 
position or my grip of the phone.  Is the lock orientation feature no longer 
available or am I not looking in the right place?
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Lock orientation

[PKwanashie]

Hello, 

 

Is the orientation lock no longer available on IOS 11?  I recently had to
reset my iPhone 7 plus and, try as I might, I have not been able to locate
the setting for locking the orientation mode to portrait.  I do not like my
phone switching from portrait to landscape and back whenever I adjust the
phone's position or my grip of the phone.  Is the lock orientation feature
no longer available or am I not looking in the right place?

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Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[kelby carlson]

That is the precise experience I have. I today used it on some other documents 
besides the court ones I described, with the same result; KNFB Reader gave much 
better quality and was much easier to get the document in view of the camera.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> The only reason I use kNFB FB reader now is  is when I want to have more than 
> one page in a single document. I don’t think seeing AI does that yet.
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Executive Director of Counseling
> Old Dominion University
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2018, at 2:21 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I've not had much luck with Seeing AI's document channel, either. Strange. 
>> I'm getting a bit better at getting the hold steady announcement a little 
>> faster--I guess all that practice with KNFB was helpful--but once the pic is 
>> processed by Seeing AI, 99% of the time, I get a message about there being 
>> no text. It's super frustrating. And since I'm pretty sure Seeing AI's 
>> default is to control the flash automatically, and since I do get results on 
>> the same text using the short text channel, I have no idea why this is 
>> happening.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is not my experience at all.
>>> But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
>>> With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera 
>>> to a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text 
>>> mode is to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or 
>>> changes the focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't 
>>> really designed for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel 
>>> is for.
>>> But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
>>> Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update 
>>> this year for KNFB.
>>> Something I've asked for since it was released.
>>> Here's hoping it finally happens.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>>> 
 So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper 
 documents. So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to 
 really compare KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though 
 I bought it) and Seeing AI.
 
 My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by 
 a country mile.
 
 Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the 
 basic information about a case. When trying to do the document channel 
 with Seeing AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was 
 not visible no matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the 
 phone really high and got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not 
 recognize a bit of text.
 
 With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views 
 to orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with 
 very few flaws at all.
 
 In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. 
 I can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.
 
 Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than 
 the document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled 
 text ap some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a 
 milimeter.
 
 So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.
 
 
 
 
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RE: Optimising use of SIRI

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It’s even more strange because we do after all speak the same English and while 
there are a lot more dialects in the States, you’d probably be hard pressed to 
differentiate between somebody from Seattle or Montana and our canadian 
english. Interestingly enough even though I have my region set to Canada, my 
language is English Canada and I use English Canada for SIRI, when I dictate 
and say words like “Colour”, “humour” or “neighbour” SIRI puts it in the 
american way without the “u”.
Even more halarious is the fact that somebody on a list (can’t remember if it 
was this one) corrected me once and in not too nice of a way told me I should 
learn how to spell. I told him he should mind his own business and maybe 
broaden his mind a bit since despite what Trump may say or think, America isn’t 
the centre of the world and maybe he should learn the metric system which is 
more or less used by the rest of the worl except for America. Of course there 
are still many examples where it’s used here as well, especially when it comes 
to lumber and carpentry. Nobody goes to the lumber yard and says I want 3 
sheets of 121.9 by 243.8 by 1.9 cm of plywood, it’s give me 3 sheets of 4 by 8 
by three quarter inch plywood.
Anyhow, it is what it is and I’m sure translation will come to Canada 
eventually in Apple’s own time.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Optimising use of SIRI

I think all of you who live in Canada ought to be writing to Apple about the 
translation issue. That is mind bogglingly stupid of Apple since the devices 
speak so many languages.
Heck, if Google translate can do it, Apple should be able to handle it.
In fact, maybe all of us should write Apple.

Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 20, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
One thing to add is that for many tasks the phone has to be unlocked, e.g. if 
you ask SIRI to read an email you have to unlock it and as for translation 
that's not even available if you have your phone set to Canada, only if your 
region and language is US this works which makes little sense to me but that's 
how it is.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 7:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Optimising use of SIRI

Here is some suggested uses and instructions for Siri commands:

How to Use Siri

To use Hey Siri, open settings, arrow down to Siri & Search, enable Listen for 
"Hey Siri" and follow directions on the screen.  After Siri learns the sound of 
your voice, to activate Siri without touching the phone, just say, "Hey Siri" 
and give your command or question.  (The phone does not have to be plugged in 
if it is a 6S or newer to use Hey Siri.)

To use Siri when touching the home button, open settings, arrow down to Siri 
and Search, enable Press Home for Siri.  Then hold down the home button to 
activate Siri. Continue holding the home button until you finish saying your 
command or question.  Let go of the home button and Siri will respond.

Things you can do with Siri

If you want to use VoiceOver, ask Siri to turn on or turn off VoiceOver.

Ask Siri to call someone in your contacts: "Siri, call Sam Jones."  If you have 
more than one phone number, Siri will ask which number you want to use.

Ask Siri to call a business: "Siri, call Rite Aid Pharmacy."

Ask Siri to play your voice mail.

Ask Siri to make a call on speaker phone.

Ask Siri to send a text message.  Say, "Siri, send a text message to John."  
Then Siri will ask, "What do you want to say?" Answer, "call me at 6:00 pm."  
Then Siri will read back the text and ask are you ready to send it? Say "Yes."

Ask Siri to read text messages. You can ask to have my last text message read 
or read my unread text messages or read my text message from Sally.

Ask Siri to send an Email to someone.  Say, "Siri, send an email to Sue Jones." 
Siri will ask, "What do you want to say?" Dictate your message being careful 
not to pause until you have finished the entire message. Then Siri will read 
back the text and ask are you ready to send it? Say "Yes" or "No."

Ask Siri to read Emails.  Siri can read the unread emails, last email, or from 
a particular sender.

Ask Siri to create a calendar appointment.  Say, "Schedule an appointment 
titled Dr. Smith for January 6 at 2:00 pm."  Siri will read back the 
appointment info and will ask if you want to schedule it; if you say, "yes," 
the appointment will appear on your calendar.  If you say "No," Siri will give 
you options to cancel or change parts of the appointment.

Ask Siri what appointments you have scheduled for a particular day or week.

Ask Siri to

RE: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and accessible app?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Wow, both my keypad locks have the two rows with the lock button all by its 
lonesome above the 3 which is right in the middle above the top row.
I really don’t find this at all inconvenient. I did have a lock before with a 
phone keypad layout and once I got the other one it became second nature after 
a few days.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
englishride...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 11:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and 
accessible app?

My mom has a keypad lock like the one you mentioned. It drives me crazy, 
because the numbers go from 1-5 along the top row, and 6-0 along the bottom 
next row, with some unknown button right underneath the 8. I really wish it had 
the numbers in a standard telephone layout, but I'm at their house so rarely 
that it's not really a big deal. If I ever did get a keypad lock like this, I'd 
like to find one with the numbers in the standard telephone layout.


Thanks,
Ari

On Jan 17, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Most of these locks are available at Home Depot, Best Buy also has some, but at 
least Best Buy Canada does not seem to sell the Schlage Sense.
Definitely if you want just a basic electronic lock with keypad Home Depot or 
another large building supply store is a good place to start.
Amazon of course sells most of them as well.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Sabo
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and 
accessible app?

Hi ,
where do you get this lock?
Becky
On Jan 14, 2018, at 11:22 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Installing a basic electronic lock is not super-difficult, but you might want 
to have a backup plan, somebody you can call and ask for help, just in case.


From: 
viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 9:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and 
accessible app?

Thanks a million folks for this valuable information.
I do not have a security company, and I have no intention to hire one.  It is 
simply not needed in my area.
I asked my question because I have a tendency to lock myself out often.  That 
is why I thought of fingerprint or digital lock.
Now, I wonder how hard is it to install these locks.  Do I need to hire a 
specialist to assemble and install these kinds of locks, or I would be able to 
do it myself?  When it comes to the regular mechanical locks with keys, I 
always change them myself without hiring a Locksmith. I am not sure how hard it 
would be to install a digital lock by myself!
Cheers,
Cris

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and 
accessible app?

Find out the exact model and Google it, you’ll find all the features, specs and 
most likely a user manual in PDF.
I don’t know why anybody in their right mind would want to Alexa enable a 
doorlock. Alexa has no security as far as I can tell and if somebody knows you 
have Alexa and a smart doorlock that works with it all they have to do is walk 
up to an open window and ask Alexa to unlock your door. If I want to unlock my 
Schlage Sense with SIRI it only works if I first unlock my phone with Touch Id 
or my passcode.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: 
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 On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 6:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and 
accessible app?

We have a Yale key pad lock on our door that was provided by our security 
company and I was wondering if anyone knows where we can get the users guide or 
find out more how to use it.  I don't want to have to asks the installer every 
time I want to set another code for someone.  I also want to know if they have 
an app so we don't have to wade through Alarm.com to try to 
find what might not be there.  I hear it is alexa enabled but don't know how to 
set that up either and neither does our installer.  I want to know if it is 
home kit capable as well.  any ideas?
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

Ask for what you want. Believe that you deserve it, and then allow Life to give 
it to you.

Re: Optimising use of SIRI

[Richard Turner]

I think all of you who live in Canada ought to be writing to Apple about the 
translation issue. That is mind bogglingly stupid of Apple since the devices 
speak so many languages.
Heck, if Google translate can do it, Apple should be able to handle it.
In fact, maybe all of us should write Apple.

Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 20, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

One thing to add is that for many tasks the phone has to be unlocked, e.g. if 
you ask SIRI to read an email you have to unlock it and as for translation 
that's not even available if you have your phone set to Canada, only if your 
region and language is US this works which makes little sense to me but that's 
how it is.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 7:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Optimising use of SIRI

Here is some suggested uses and instructions for Siri commands:

How to Use Siri

To use Hey Siri, open settings, arrow down to Siri & Search, enable Listen for 
"Hey Siri" and follow directions on the screen.  After Siri learns the sound of 
your voice, to activate Siri without touching the phone, just say, "Hey Siri" 
and give your command or question.  (The phone does not have to be plugged in 
if it is a 6S or newer to use Hey Siri.)

To use Siri when touching the home button, open settings, arrow down to Siri 
and Search, enable Press Home for Siri.  Then hold down the home button to 
activate Siri. Continue holding the home button until you finish saying your 
command or question.  Let go of the home button and Siri will respond.

Things you can do with Siri

If you want to use VoiceOver, ask Siri to turn on or turn off VoiceOver.

Ask Siri to call someone in your contacts: "Siri, call Sam Jones."  If you have 
more than one phone number, Siri will ask which number you want to use.

Ask Siri to call a business: "Siri, call Rite Aid Pharmacy."

Ask Siri to play your voice mail.

Ask Siri to make a call on speaker phone.

Ask Siri to send a text message.  Say, "Siri, send a text message to John."  
Then Siri will ask, "What do you want to say?" Answer, "call me at 6:00 pm."  
Then Siri will read back the text and ask are you ready to send it? Say "Yes."

Ask Siri to read text messages. You can ask to have my last text message read 
or read my unread text messages or read my text message from Sally.

Ask Siri to send an Email to someone.  Say, "Siri, send an email to Sue Jones." 
Siri will ask, "What do you want to say?" Dictate your message being careful 
not to pause until you have finished the entire message. Then Siri will read 
back the text and ask are you ready to send it? Say "Yes" or "No."

Ask Siri to read Emails.  Siri can read the unread emails, last email, or from 
a particular sender.

Ask Siri to create a calendar appointment.  Say, "Schedule an appointment 
titled Dr. Smith for January 6 at 2:00 pm."  Siri will read back the 
appointment info and will ask if you want to schedule it; if you say, "yes," 
the appointment will appear on your calendar.  If you say "No," Siri will give 
you options to cancel or change parts of the appointment.

Ask Siri what appointments you have scheduled for a particular day or week.

Ask Siri to create a note.  The first line of a note will be the title of that 
note.  While dictating a note, speak the punctuation you want to use and if you 
want to make a list, say "new line."

Ask Siri to search notes.

Ask Siri to remind me to do something---example, take medicine at 7:00 am, take 
garbage out on Wednesday.
Remind me to call my daughter every Friday. Remind me to pay my bills on the 
first of the month.

Set reminders for locations: "When I get home, remind me to take out the trash."

Ask Siri to create any kind of list, such as a To Do List or a grocery list.  
You can add additional items to the list by asking Siri to "add eggs to my 
grocery list."

You can ask Siri to read the list.

Ask Siri to set an Alarm.  "Siri, set an alarm for 7:30 am."  To stop the alarm 
from sounding press the power button or the home button.

Ask Siri to set a Timer. "Siri, set a timer for 15 minutes."

Ask Siri to cancel alarms or timers.

Ask Siri to get an Uber or Lyft ride, if you have the application installed on 
your device and you have an account.

Ask Siri to play music on your device, such as "Play the album Sergeant 
Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band."  Or, "Play the artist The Beatles."  Or, 
"play Classical music on my device."

Ask Siri for sports scores.

Ask Siri to search Google for anything.  The default search engine is Bing, if 
you want to use Google, ask Siri, "Search Google for the price of tea in China."

Ask Siri to open any app on your device.

Ask Siri to translate a phrase to another language.

Ask Siri to 

Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[Nancy Badger]

The only reason I use kNFB FB reader now is  is when I want to have more than 
one page in a single document. I don’t think seeing AI does that yet.

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Jan 20, 2018, at 2:21 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I've not had much luck with Seeing AI's document channel, either. Strange. 
> I'm getting a bit better at getting the hold steady announcement a little 
> faster--I guess all that practice with KNFB was helpful--but once the pic is 
> processed by Seeing AI, 99% of the time, I get a message about there being no 
> text. It's super frustrating. And since I'm pretty sure Seeing AI's default 
> is to control the flash automatically, and since I do get results on the same 
> text using the short text channel, I have no idea why this is happening.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That is not my experience at all. 
>> But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
>> With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera 
>> to a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text 
>> mode is to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or 
>> changes the focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't 
>> really designed for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel 
>> is for.
>> But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
>> Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update 
>> this year for KNFB.
>> Something I've asked for since it was released.
>> Here's hoping it finally happens.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>> 
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>> 
>>> So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper 
>>> documents. So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to 
>>> really compare KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I 
>>> bought it) and Seeing AI.
>>> 
>>> My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
>>> country mile.
>>> 
>>> Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the 
>>> basic information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with 
>>> Seeing AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not 
>>> visible no matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone 
>>> really high and got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not 
>>> recognize a bit of text.
>>> 
>>> With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
>>> orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very 
>>> few flaws at all.
>>> 
>>> In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. 
>>> I can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.
>>> 
>>> Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
>>> document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text 
>>> ap some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.
>>> 
>>> So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Edit Mode

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Wayne,

How can you accidently delete an app this way? Even if you accidently flicked 
up or down and set the rotor to editing and you double tap, you then have 6 
more flicks and double taps to perform to actually delete an app, at best you 
have to do 4 gestures if you replace the 3 flicks I listed in steps 3, 4 and 5 
with a single 4-finger tap:

1. After you activate editing mode you have to flick down to Delete.
2. You have to double tap delete, then you get the prompt "Delete so and so 
app?"
3, 4 and 5. You have to flick 3 times to the Delete button, I guess if you did 
a 4-finger double tap near the bottom you could get there with one gesture.
6. You now have to double tap the Delete button and only then the app will be 
deleted.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Reg Sullivan
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 5:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Edit Mode

Well, now that I know more about this feature, I was able to quickly clean up 
my phone of out dated  and no longer used apps. 

Thanks again guys!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wayne Merritt
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 1:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Edit Mode

Hello Reg. In iOS 11 you can opt to have the edit mode turned on or off with 
VoiceOver. If it is on, then you just have to flick up/down on an app or folder 
on a home screen and VoiceOver will announce editing. If the option is turned 
off, then you will have to double tap and hold to turn on editing mode. Like 
Sieghard, I'm glad they removed the extra verbage from the announcement we got 
in iOS 10 when on the home screen. I did like this new thing with the ability 
to turn the feature on or off depending on how you wanted things to operate. 
Until that is I accidentally flicked ever so slightly on my home screens and 
heard VoiceOver announce "editing", and then I quickly flicked up or down again 
to go back to the default selection mode. To turn this feature on or off, go to 
the VoiceOver settings, which is settings/general/accessibility/VoiceOver, and 
then toward the bottom you will hear Rotor, and then Rotor Actions. Double tap 
the rotor actions item, and you can select whether you want this to be turned 
on or off. I do like the convenience of flicking to the editing option, but I 
have also almost deleted apps at times, and I don't like that at all.

Hth,
Wayne

On 1/18/18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Sorry, I of course meant Reg not Greg.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 4:48 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Edit Mode
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> Were you still on iOS 9? iOS 10 already had the flick up/down option 
> when you were on the home screen to go into editing mode which before 
> used to be the double tap and hold.
> I really like the fact that Apple has removed the “Actions available”
> announcement each time you touched or flicked to an app on the home 
> screen, in iOS 10 that was announced so you would know that flicking 
> up or down does something.
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 3:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Edit Mode
>
> You are likely flicking up or down with one finger accidentally. That 
> is how you now get into edit mode to move apps, delete apps, etc.
> One finger flick up or down on any icon will start edit mode. Flick in 
> the opposite direction toget back to the default, activate mode.
> HTH,
> Richard
>
>
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- Jane Wagner
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Reg Sullivan 
> mailto:regs2...@rogers.com>> wrote:
> Folks I upgraded to the most current IOS last evening.
> When moving around the screens using Voiceover I occasionally hear 
> “Edit Mode”
> Is there a setting to turn this off or do I just have to live with it?
>
> Smile….Reg
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RE: Optimising use of SIRI

[Sieghard Weitzel]

One thing to add is that for many tasks the phone has to be unlocked, e.g. if 
you ask SIRI to read an email you have to unlock it and as for translation 
that's not even available if you have your phone set to Canada, only if your 
region and language is US this works which makes little sense to me but that's 
how it is.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 7:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Optimising use of SIRI

Here is some suggested uses and instructions for Siri commands:

How to Use Siri

To use Hey Siri, open settings, arrow down to Siri & Search, enable Listen for 
"Hey Siri" and follow directions on the screen.  After Siri learns the sound of 
your voice, to activate Siri without touching the phone, just say, "Hey Siri" 
and give your command or question.  (The phone does not have to be plugged in 
if it is a 6S or newer to use Hey Siri.)

To use Siri when touching the home button, open settings, arrow down to Siri 
and Search, enable Press Home for Siri.  Then hold down the home button to 
activate Siri. Continue holding the home button until you finish saying your 
command or question.  Let go of the home button and Siri will respond.

Things you can do with Siri

If you want to use VoiceOver, ask Siri to turn on or turn off VoiceOver.

Ask Siri to call someone in your contacts: "Siri, call Sam Jones."  If you have 
more than one phone number, Siri will ask which number you want to use.

Ask Siri to call a business: "Siri, call Rite Aid Pharmacy." 

Ask Siri to play your voice mail.

Ask Siri to make a call on speaker phone.

Ask Siri to send a text message.  Say, "Siri, send a text message to John."  
Then Siri will ask, "What do you want to say?" Answer, "call me at 6:00 pm."  
Then Siri will read back the text and ask are you ready to send it? Say "Yes."

Ask Siri to read text messages. You can ask to have my last text message read 
or read my unread text messages or read my text message from Sally.

Ask Siri to send an Email to someone.  Say, "Siri, send an email to Sue Jones." 
Siri will ask, "What do you want to say?" Dictate your message being careful 
not to pause until you have finished the entire message. Then Siri will read 
back the text and ask are you ready to send it? Say "Yes" or "No." 

Ask Siri to read Emails.  Siri can read the unread emails, last email, or from 
a particular sender.

Ask Siri to create a calendar appointment.  Say, "Schedule an appointment 
titled Dr. Smith for January 6 at 2:00 pm."  Siri will read back the 
appointment info and will ask if you want to schedule it; if you say, "yes," 
the appointment will appear on your calendar.  If you say "No," Siri will give 
you options to cancel or change parts of the appointment.

Ask Siri what appointments you have scheduled for a particular day or week.

Ask Siri to create a note.  The first line of a note will be the title of that 
note.  While dictating a note, speak the punctuation you want to use and if you 
want to make a list, say "new line."

Ask Siri to search notes.

Ask Siri to remind me to do something---example, take medicine at 7:00 am, take 
garbage out on Wednesday.
Remind me to call my daughter every Friday. Remind me to pay my bills on the 
first of the month.

Set reminders for locations: "When I get home, remind me to take out the trash."

Ask Siri to create any kind of list, such as a To Do List or a grocery list.  
You can add additional items to the list by asking Siri to "add eggs to my 
grocery list."

You can ask Siri to read the list.

Ask Siri to set an Alarm.  "Siri, set an alarm for 7:30 am."  To stop the alarm 
from sounding press the power button or the home button.

Ask Siri to set a Timer. "Siri, set a timer for 15 minutes."

Ask Siri to cancel alarms or timers.

Ask Siri to get an Uber or Lyft ride, if you have the application installed on 
your device and you have an account.

Ask Siri to play music on your device, such as "Play the album Sergeant 
Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band."  Or, "Play the artist The Beatles."  Or, 
"play Classical music on my device."

Ask Siri for sports scores.

Ask Siri to search Google for anything.  The default search engine is Bing, if 
you want to use Google, ask Siri, "Search Google for the price of tea in China."

Ask Siri to open any app on your device.

Ask Siri to translate a phrase to another language.

Ask Siri to find out a store's hours.

Ask Siri to convert measurements, like how many tablespoons in a cup?

Ask Siri to Facetime someone.  Say, "Face time John Doe."

Ask Siri to solve math problems.  "Siri, what is 15% of $250."  

Open specific settings.  "Siri, open Accessibility settings."

Ask Siri for walking directions or driving directions.  

If your address is in contacts and you have selected your address under Siri-- 
my info, and you are out and about with someone and want direc

RE: Optimising use of SIRI

[Richard Turner]

Hi,
I do not have a solution for the web search issues with Siri.  It does not read 
those kind of results, you do have to use VoiceOver and I have no idea how to 
get back to the list of links other than trying the same command with Siri 
again.  Not ideal.

AS for using Siri to compose Email, I don't use it unless the Email is one 
fairly short sentence.  Siri stops listening if you pause for a half a second...
Now, I have been known to use dictation in the body of an Email.  Once in the 
body of a reply or new Email, do the two-finger double tap and you'll hear a 
ding, then you can dictate for up to about 30 seconds before Siri will begin 
converting your speech to text.  If you are done before that time, do another 
two-finger double tap to let it know you are done.
That way, pausing isn't an issue.

HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Turabh
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 11:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Optimising use of SIRI

Thanks for your inputs  particularly Richard for the detailed  explanations. 
Wel I often  use SsIRI for hunting  something on Google, she  stops after  
showing up the  link
Sss.. I  find this quite  irritating as on one hand I have  tooopen the  links 
and read myself  and also I  find no way to return to the  list of links if I 
may  call it, after  browsing one link . Any workarounds? Also, reading and 
typing messages and mails is quite convenient with viceover. What edge does 
SIRI give?t from my iPhone

> On 20-Jan-2018, at 8:41 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Here is some suggested uses and instructions for Siri commands:
> 
> How to Use Siri
> 
> To use Hey Siri, open settings, arrow down to Siri & Search, enable Listen 
> for "Hey Siri" and follow directions on the screen.  After Siri learns the 
> sound of your voice, to activate Siri without touching the phone, just say, 
> "Hey Siri" and give your command or question.  (The phone does not have to be 
> plugged in if it is a 6S or newer to use Hey Siri.)
> 
> To use Siri when touching the home button, open settings, arrow down to Siri 
> and Search, enable Press Home for Siri.  Then hold down the home button to 
> activate Siri. Continue holding the home button until you finish saying your 
> command or question.  Let go of the home button and Siri will respond.
> 
> Things you can do with Siri
> 
> If you want to use VoiceOver, ask Siri to turn on or turn off VoiceOver.
> 
> Ask Siri to call someone in your contacts: "Siri, call Sam Jones."  If you 
> have more than one phone number, Siri will ask which number you want to use.
> 
> Ask Siri to call a business: "Siri, call Rite Aid Pharmacy." 
> 
> Ask Siri to play your voice mail.
> 
> Ask Siri to make a call on speaker phone.
> 
> Ask Siri to send a text message.  Say, "Siri, send a text message to John."  
> Then Siri will ask, "What do you want to say?" Answer, "call me at 6:00 pm."  
> Then Siri will read back the text and ask are you ready to send it? Say "Yes."
> 
> Ask Siri to read text messages. You can ask to have my last text message read 
> or read my unread text messages or read my text message from Sally.
> 
> Ask Siri to send an Email to someone.  Say, "Siri, send an email to Sue 
> Jones." Siri will ask, "What do you want to say?" Dictate your message being 
> careful not to pause until you have finished the entire message. Then Siri 
> will read back the text and ask are you ready to send it? Say "Yes" or "No." 
> 
> Ask Siri to read Emails.  Siri can read the unread emails, last email, or 
> from a particular sender.
> 
> Ask Siri to create a calendar appointment.  Say, "Schedule an appointment 
> titled Dr. Smith for January 6 at 2:00 pm."  Siri will read back the 
> appointment info and will ask if you want to schedule it; if you say, "yes," 
> the appointment will appear on your calendar.  If you say "No," Siri will 
> give you options to cancel or change parts of the appointment.
> 
> Ask Siri what appointments you have scheduled for a particular day or week.
> 
> Ask Siri to create a note.  The first line of a note will be the title of 
> that note.  While dictating a note, speak the punctuation you want to use and 
> if you want to make a list, say "new line."
> 
> Ask Siri to search notes.
> 
> Ask Siri to remind me to do something---example, take medicine at 7:00 am, 
> take garbage out on Wednesday.
> Remind me to call my daughter every Friday. Remind me to pay my bills on the 
> first of the month.
> 
> Set reminders for locations: "When I get home, remind me to take out the 
> trash."
> 
> Ask Siri to create any kind of list, such as a To Do List or a grocery list.  
> You can add additional items to the list by asking Siri to "add eggs to my 
> grocery list."
> 
> You can ask Siri to read the list.
> 
> Ask Siri to set an Alarm.  "Siri, set an alarm for 7:30 am."  To stop the 
> alarm from sounding press the power button or the h

Re: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and accessible app?

[englishrider91]

My mom has a keypad lock like the one you mentioned. It drives me crazy, 
because the numbers go from 1-5 along the top row, and 6-0 along the bottom 
next row, with some unknown button right underneath the 8. I really wish it had 
the numbers in a standard telephone layout, but I'm at their house so rarely 
that it's not really a big deal. If I ever did get a keypad lock like this, I'd 
like to find one with the numbers in the standard telephone layout.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Jan 17, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Most of these locks are available at Home Depot, Best Buy also has some, but 
> at least Best Buy Canada does not seem to sell the Schlage Sense.
> Definitely if you want just a basic electronic lock with keypad Home Depot or 
> another large building supply store is a good place to start.
> Amazon of course sells most of them as well.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rebecca Sabo
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and 
> accessible app?
>  
> Hi , 
> where do you get this lock?
> Becky 
> On Jan 14, 2018, at 11:22 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>  
> Installing a basic electronic lock is not super-difficult, but you might want 
> to have a backup plan, somebody you can call and ask for help, just in case.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Cris Ali
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 9:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and 
> accessible app?
>  
> Thanks a million folks for this valuable information. 
> I do not have a security company, and I have no intention to hire one.  It is 
> simply not needed in my area.
> I asked my question because I have a tendency to lock myself out often.  That 
> is why I thought of fingerprint or digital lock.
> Now, I wonder how hard is it to install these locks.  Do I need to hire a 
> specialist to assemble and install these kinds of locks, or I would be able 
> to do it myself?  When it comes to the regular mechanical locks with keys, I 
> always change them myself without hiring a Locksmith. I am not sure how hard 
> it would be to install a digital lock by myself!
> Cheers,
> Cris
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 11:56 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and 
> accessible app?
>  
> Find out the exact model and Google it, you’ll find all the features, specs 
> and most likely a user manual in PDF.
> I don’t know why anybody in their right mind would want to Alexa enable a 
> doorlock. Alexa has no security as far as I can tell and if somebody knows 
> you have Alexa and a smart doorlock that works with it all they have to do is 
> walk up to an open window and ask Alexa to unlock your door. If I want to 
> unlock my Schlage Sense with SIRI it only works if I first unlock my phone 
> with Touch Id or my passcode.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 6:10 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and 
> accessible app?
>  
> We have a Yale key pad lock on our door that was provided by our security 
> company and I was wondering if anyone knows where we can get the users guide 
> or find out more how to use it.  I don't want to have to asks the installer 
> every time I want to set another code for someone.  I also want to know if 
> they have an app so we don't have to wade through Alarm.com to try to find 
> what might not be there.  I hear it is alexa enabled but don't know how to 
> set that up either and neither does our installer.  I want to know if it is 
> home kit capable as well.  any ideas?
> Kay Malmquist
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>  
> Ask for what you want. Believe that you deserve it, and then allow Life to 
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> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:18 PM
> Subject: RE: Door locks with fingerprint technology with Bluetooth and 
> accessible app?
>  
> Not any more, quite a few electronic lock companies made fingerprint 
> doorlocks years ago, I had one and so did a friend of mine, and they were the 
> biggest pain in the neck.
> Depending on how much you want to spend, you are much better off with an 
> electronic lock with a keypad or a smartlock which you can unlock with your 
> phone.
> I have a Weiser electronic lock at my retail store which was actually 
> installed by my alarm company and which has a keypad, but it also connects 
> via the Zigbbee protocol to my alarm panel

Re: Bluetooth speaker and VoiceOver iOS 11.2.2

[Christopher Chaltain]

You can also do this if your media app supports ChromeCast and you have 
a ChromeCast or Google Home.



On 01/20/2018 01:32 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:

 From what I understand, Airplay 1 already has this. It's one of the big 
reasons some blind people really like Airplay. In fact, it's one of the 
reason's I've long wanted an Airplay speaker.


Thanks,
Ari


On Jan 18, 2018, at 8:48 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:

Airplay 2 might support this.  However, it does not seem Apple is
rolling out Airplay 2 until it introduces the Home Pod later this
year. Further, speakers will specifically have to have technology in
them to support Airplay 2 after Apple enables the Airplay upgrade.

Kelly




On 1/16/18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
No, not possible with Bluetooth, only Airplay.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shai
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bluetooth speaker and VoiceOver iOS 11.2.2

Hello,
Using VoiceOver on iOS 11.2.2, is there a means to have VoiceOver coming
through the device's speaker while having audio such as music be played
through the Bluetooth speaker? I thought that there was a means to do this
but I am not finding it. I have been through the audio section of the
VoiceOver settings but the only option I have discovered is a means to
switch audio channels which is not what I am looking to do.
Thank you in advance for any responses

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Re: Bluetooth speaker and VoiceOver iOS 11.2.2

[englishrider91]

>From what I understand, Airplay 1 already has this. It's one of the big 
>reasons some blind people really like Airplay. In fact, it's one of the 
>reason's I've long wanted an Airplay speaker.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Jan 18, 2018, at 8:48 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> Airplay 2 might support this.  However, it does not seem Apple is
> rolling out Airplay 2 until it introduces the Home Pod later this
> year. Further, speakers will specifically have to have technology in
> them to support Airplay 2 after Apple enables the Airplay upgrade.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
>> On 1/16/18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> No, not possible with Bluetooth, only Airplay.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Shai
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 2:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Bluetooth speaker and VoiceOver iOS 11.2.2
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Using VoiceOver on iOS 11.2.2, is there a means to have VoiceOver coming
>> through the device's speaker while having audio such as music be played
>> through the Bluetooth speaker? I thought that there was a means to do this
>> but I am not finding it. I have been through the audio section of the
>> VoiceOver settings but the only option I have discovered is a means to
>> switch audio channels which is not what I am looking to do.
>> Thank you in advance for any responses
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Re: Optimising use of SIRI

[Turabh]

Thanks for your inputs  particularly Richard for the detailed  explanations. 
Wel I often  use SsIRI for hunting  something on Google, she  stops after  
showing up the  link
Sss.. I  find this quite  irritating as on one hand I have  tooopen the  links 
and read myself  and also I  find no way to return to the  list of links if I 
may  call it, after  browsing one link . Any workarounds? Also, reading and 
typing messages and mails is quite convenient with viceover. What edge does 
SIRI give?t from my iPhone

> On 20-Jan-2018, at 8:41 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Here is some suggested uses and instructions for Siri commands:
> 
> How to Use Siri
> 
> To use Hey Siri, open settings, arrow down to Siri & Search, enable Listen 
> for "Hey Siri" and follow directions on the screen.  After Siri learns the 
> sound of your voice, to activate Siri without touching the phone, just say, 
> "Hey Siri" and give your command or question.  (The phone does not have to be 
> plugged in if it is a 6S or newer to use Hey Siri.)
> 
> To use Siri when touching the home button, open settings, arrow down to Siri 
> and Search, enable Press Home for Siri.  Then hold down the home button to 
> activate Siri. Continue holding the home button until you finish saying your 
> command or question.  Let go of the home button and Siri will respond.
> 
> Things you can do with Siri
> 
> If you want to use VoiceOver, ask Siri to turn on or turn off VoiceOver.
> 
> Ask Siri to call someone in your contacts: "Siri, call Sam Jones."  If you 
> have more than one phone number, Siri will ask which number you want to use.
> 
> Ask Siri to call a business: "Siri, call Rite Aid Pharmacy." 
> 
> Ask Siri to play your voice mail.
> 
> Ask Siri to make a call on speaker phone.
> 
> Ask Siri to send a text message.  Say, "Siri, send a text message to John."  
> Then Siri will ask, "What do you want to say?" Answer, "call me at 6:00 pm."  
> Then Siri will read back the text and ask are you ready to send it? Say "Yes."
> 
> Ask Siri to read text messages. You can ask to have my last text message read 
> or read my unread text messages or read my text message from Sally.
> 
> Ask Siri to send an Email to someone.  Say, "Siri, send an email to Sue 
> Jones." Siri will ask, "What do you want to say?" Dictate your message being 
> careful not to pause until you have finished the entire message. Then Siri 
> will read back the text and ask are you ready to send it? Say "Yes" or "No." 
> 
> Ask Siri to read Emails.  Siri can read the unread emails, last email, or 
> from a particular sender.
> 
> Ask Siri to create a calendar appointment.  Say, "Schedule an appointment 
> titled Dr. Smith for January 6 at 2:00 pm."  Siri will read back the 
> appointment info and will ask if you want to schedule it; if you say, "yes," 
> the appointment will appear on your calendar.  If you say "No," Siri will 
> give you options to cancel or change parts of the appointment.
> 
> Ask Siri what appointments you have scheduled for a particular day or week.
> 
> Ask Siri to create a note.  The first line of a note will be the title of 
> that note.  While dictating a note, speak the punctuation you want to use and 
> if you want to make a list, say "new line."
> 
> Ask Siri to search notes.
> 
> Ask Siri to remind me to do something---example, take medicine at 7:00 am, 
> take garbage out on Wednesday.
> Remind me to call my daughter every Friday. Remind me to pay my bills on the 
> first of the month.
> 
> Set reminders for locations: "When I get home, remind me to take out the 
> trash."
> 
> Ask Siri to create any kind of list, such as a To Do List or a grocery list.  
> You can add additional items to the list by asking Siri to "add eggs to my 
> grocery list."
> 
> You can ask Siri to read the list.
> 
> Ask Siri to set an Alarm.  "Siri, set an alarm for 7:30 am."  To stop the 
> alarm from sounding press the power button or the home button.
> 
> Ask Siri to set a Timer. "Siri, set a timer for 15 minutes."
> 
> Ask Siri to cancel alarms or timers.
> 
> Ask Siri to get an Uber or Lyft ride, if you have the application installed 
> on your device and you have an account.
> 
> Ask Siri to play music on your device, such as "Play the album Sergeant 
> Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band."  Or, "Play the artist The Beatles."  Or, 
> "play Classical music on my device."
> 
> Ask Siri for sports scores.
> 
> Ask Siri to search Google for anything.  The default search engine is Bing, 
> if you want to use Google, ask Siri, "Search Google for the price of tea in 
> China."
> 
> Ask Siri to open any app on your device.
> 
> Ask Siri to translate a phrase to another language.
> 
> Ask Siri to find out a store's hours.
> 
> Ask Siri to convert measurements, like how many tablespoons in a cup?
> 
> Ask Siri to Facetime someone.  Say, "Face time John Doe."
> 
> Ask Siri to solve math problems.  "Siri, what is 15% of $250."  
> 
> Open specific settings.  "Siri, open Accessibility

Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[englishrider91]

I've not had much luck with Seeing AI's document channel, either. Strange. I'm 
getting a bit better at getting the hold steady announcement a little faster--I 
guess all that practice with KNFB was helpful--but once the pic is processed by 
Seeing AI, 99% of the time, I get a message about there being no text. It's 
super frustrating. And since I'm pretty sure Seeing AI's default is to control 
the flash automatically, and since I do get results on the same text using the 
short text channel, I have no idea why this is happening.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> That is not my experience at all.
> But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
> With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera 
> to a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode 
> is to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes 
> the focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really 
> designed for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.
> But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
> Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update 
> this year for KNFB.
> Something I've asked for since it was released.
> Here's hoping it finally happens.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
>> So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper 
>> documents. So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to 
>> really compare KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I 
>> bought it) and Seeing AI.
>> 
>> My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
>> country mile.
>> 
>> Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the 
>> basic information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with 
>> Seeing AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not 
>> visible no matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone 
>> really high and got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not 
>> recognize a bit of text.
>> 
>> With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
>> orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very 
>> few flaws at all.
>> 
>> In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
>> can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.
>> 
>> Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
>> document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
>> some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.
>> 
>> So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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overdrive questions

[Rebecca Ilniski]

Hi everyone. I just got an account with my library and am set up on overdrive 
in my account. I have some questions. how do i search for a book? Also once 
I've found the book how do I access it? What's the easiest way to do this with 
voice over? I have a 7 plus with the latest IOS. thanks. 

Rebecca and Zeb
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Re: New Line Inquiry

[Lynn White]

Thanks.  I meant to thank you earlier and got involved with other things.  But 
this works wonderfully.

I have run into the problem where I get inconsistent behavior when writing.  I 
have the phone locked in table top mode and yet if I press what should be dot 
6, I get quotation marks.  I’m probably asking too much, but is there a reason 
why that happens?

I will say that when it’s working, the Braille input method is totally awesome.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> You do a two finger swipe to the right.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On 1/18/2018 6:12 PM, lynn white wrote:
>> How do you send a new line when using the Braille input screen on the 
>> iPhone?  Thanks.
>> 
> 

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RE: Optimising use of SIRI

[Richard Turner]

Here is some suggested uses and instructions for Siri commands:

How to Use Siri

To use Hey Siri, open settings, arrow down to Siri & Search, enable Listen for 
"Hey Siri" and follow directions on the screen.  After Siri learns the sound of 
your voice, to activate Siri without touching the phone, just say, "Hey Siri" 
and give your command or question.  (The phone does not have to be plugged in 
if it is a 6S or newer to use Hey Siri.)

To use Siri when touching the home button, open settings, arrow down to Siri 
and Search, enable Press Home for Siri.  Then hold down the home button to 
activate Siri. Continue holding the home button until you finish saying your 
command or question.  Let go of the home button and Siri will respond.

Things you can do with Siri

If you want to use VoiceOver, ask Siri to turn on or turn off VoiceOver.

Ask Siri to call someone in your contacts: "Siri, call Sam Jones."  If you have 
more than one phone number, Siri will ask which number you want to use.

Ask Siri to call a business: "Siri, call Rite Aid Pharmacy." 

Ask Siri to play your voice mail.

Ask Siri to make a call on speaker phone.

Ask Siri to send a text message.  Say, "Siri, send a text message to John."  
Then Siri will ask, "What do you want to say?" Answer, "call me at 6:00 pm."  
Then Siri will read back the text and ask are you ready to send it? Say "Yes."

Ask Siri to read text messages. You can ask to have my last text message read 
or read my unread text messages or read my text message from Sally.

Ask Siri to send an Email to someone.  Say, "Siri, send an email to Sue Jones." 
Siri will ask, "What do you want to say?" Dictate your message being careful 
not to pause until you have finished the entire message. Then Siri will read 
back the text and ask are you ready to send it? Say "Yes" or "No." 

Ask Siri to read Emails.  Siri can read the unread emails, last email, or from 
a particular sender.

Ask Siri to create a calendar appointment.  Say, "Schedule an appointment 
titled Dr. Smith for January 6 at 2:00 pm."  Siri will read back the 
appointment info and will ask if you want to schedule it; if you say, "yes," 
the appointment will appear on your calendar.  If you say "No," Siri will give 
you options to cancel or change parts of the appointment.

Ask Siri what appointments you have scheduled for a particular day or week.

Ask Siri to create a note.  The first line of a note will be the title of that 
note.  While dictating a note, speak the punctuation you want to use and if you 
want to make a list, say "new line."

Ask Siri to search notes.

Ask Siri to remind me to do something---example, take medicine at 7:00 am, take 
garbage out on Wednesday.
Remind me to call my daughter every Friday. Remind me to pay my bills on the 
first of the month.

Set reminders for locations: "When I get home, remind me to take out the trash."

Ask Siri to create any kind of list, such as a To Do List or a grocery list.  
You can add additional items to the list by asking Siri to "add eggs to my 
grocery list."

You can ask Siri to read the list.

Ask Siri to set an Alarm.  "Siri, set an alarm for 7:30 am."  To stop the alarm 
from sounding press the power button or the home button.

Ask Siri to set a Timer. "Siri, set a timer for 15 minutes."

Ask Siri to cancel alarms or timers.

Ask Siri to get an Uber or Lyft ride, if you have the application installed on 
your device and you have an account.

Ask Siri to play music on your device, such as "Play the album Sergeant 
Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band."  Or, "Play the artist The Beatles."  Or, 
"play Classical music on my device."

Ask Siri for sports scores.

Ask Siri to search Google for anything.  The default search engine is Bing, if 
you want to use Google, ask Siri, "Search Google for the price of tea in China."

Ask Siri to open any app on your device.

Ask Siri to translate a phrase to another language.

Ask Siri to find out a store's hours.

Ask Siri to convert measurements, like how many tablespoons in a cup?

Ask Siri to Facetime someone.  Say, "Face time John Doe."

Ask Siri to solve math problems.  "Siri, what is 15% of $250."  

Open specific settings.  "Siri, open Accessibility settings."

Ask Siri for walking directions or driving directions.  

If your address is in contacts and you have selected your address under Siri-- 
my info, and you are out and about with someone and want directions to your 
home, say, "Siri, take me home."  You will be given turn by turn directions 
from your current location to your home. You can also specify walking 
directions.

Ask Siri, "What's the weather."

Ask Siri to turn on "Do not disturb."  All calls are then silenced.

If you are not sure what Siri can do, ask "What can I say?" and you will get a 
list of sample questions.

Say "Good bye," or "see you later."  This dismisses Siri.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Turabh
Sent: Saturday

RE: Edit Mode

[Reg Sullivan]

Well, now that I know more about this feature, I was able to quickly clean up 
my phone of out dated  and no longer used apps. 

Thanks again guys!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wayne Merritt
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 1:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Edit Mode

Hello Reg. In iOS 11 you can opt to have the edit mode turned on or
off with VoiceOver. If it is on, then you just have to flick up/down
on an app or folder on a home screen and VoiceOver will announce
editing. If the option is turned off, then you will have to double tap
and hold to turn on editing mode. Like Sieghard, I'm glad they removed
the extra verbage from the announcement we got in iOS 10 when on the
home screen. I did like this new thing with the ability to turn the
feature on or off depending on how you wanted things to operate. Until
that is I accidentally flicked ever so slightly on my home screens and
heard VoiceOver announce "editing", and then I quickly flicked up or
down again to go back to the default selection mode. To turn this
feature on or off, go to the VoiceOver settings, which is
settings/general/accessibility/VoiceOver, and then toward the bottom
you will hear Rotor, and then Rotor Actions. Double tap the rotor
actions item, and you can select whether you want this to be turned on
or off. I do like the convenience of flicking to the editing option,
but I have also almost deleted apps at times, and I don't like that at
all.

Hth,
Wayne

On 1/18/18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Sorry, I of course meant Reg not Greg.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 4:48 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Edit Mode
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> Were you still on iOS 9? iOS 10 already had the flick up/down option when
> you were on the home screen to go into editing mode which before used to be
> the double tap and hold.
> I really like the fact that Apple has removed the “Actions available”
> announcement each time you touched or flicked to an app on the home screen,
> in iOS 10 that was announced so you would know that flicking up or down does
> something.
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 3:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Edit Mode
>
> You are likely flicking up or down with one finger accidentally. That is how
> you now get into edit mode to move apps, delete apps, etc.
> One finger flick up or down on any icon will start edit mode. Flick in the
> opposite direction toget back to the default, activate mode.
> HTH,
> Richard
>
>
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- Jane Wagner
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Reg Sullivan
> mailto:regs2...@rogers.com>> wrote:
> Folks I upgraded to the most current IOS last evening.
> When moving around the screens using Voiceover I occasionally hear
> “Edit Mode”
> Is there a setting to turn this off or do I just have to live with it?
>
> Smile….Reg
>
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RE: Optimising use of SIRI

[Tom Rash]

I usually get direct answers when I ask Siri for walking, or driving, or public 
transid directions to places:  asking Siri to call someone who is in my 
contacts:  Asking Siri how to spell certain words or to define a word:  Asking 
Siri to answer calculations:  Asking  Siri what the weather is like anywhere in 
the world:  Asking Siri when did popular person die or how old popular personis.
  So many other things as well.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Optimising use of SIRI


Hi  all,
Hope this message finds  you  well. 
Would  like suggestions to make better  use  of SIRI. I mean I  have  primarily 
 used  it for fun. But  has it really  helped  anyone by either increasing the 
speed or accuracy of some tasks.
Best 
Turab  

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Re: Notifications not working on iPhone 7.

[Davy Cuppens]

2 years ago I have had a total loss of all my notifications. Reinstalling of 
apps did not work either, I had to set my iphone back to factory settings, 
delete all stuff and restart the phone and go back  an earlier icloud 
backup.


-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Matthew Janusauskas

Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 12:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Notifications not working on iPhone 7.

I was also experiencing this with Google calendar. Deleting and reinstalling 
the app seems to have fixed the notifications for now.




On Jan 18, 2018, at 1:54 PM, Julie Dawson  wrote:

I am having the same problem on my SE. My notifications are set properly 
for example for AP News and other choices. I removed and reinstalled the 
app and the notifications were working. After the last update, 
notifications stopped entirely. They are turned on in AP news and in 
notifications and in speaking notifications.

Julie
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- Original Message - From: "'Bluesman02' via VIPhone" 


To: 
Sent: January 19, 2018 7:20 AM
Subject: Notifications not working on iPhone 7.



Hi all,

Would someone be kind enough to tell me how to set up notifications on my 
iPhone 7. .



I was getting notifications for a while. but now they have suddenly 
stopped. and the only thing different I have done is to sign into 
facebook, to log into Dice World.


I had a similar problem once before, on an iPhone 6. which was fixed 
thanks to a member of this list. and having just looked at that E-mail, 
all options suggested are on.


Best regards,

Del/Crazy horse

P.S. Using the latest IOs software.




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Re: Free Writing App?

[Harry Bell]

I would agree with you, Sieghard,  that Word documents work so much better on 
pc or Mac but Apple is busy telling the world that a new iPad is an ideal 
business machine - but, obviously, only if you are not Blind...

> On 20 Jan 2018, at 01:12, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Not to rain on your parade, but there still are things which are better done 
> on a computer bluetooth keyboard or not and in my opinion word processing and 
> spreadsheets are in that category. Actually, email and web browsing for me 
> are as well. I can read, compose and reply to email so fast on my PC and the 
> same goes for navigating web pages let alone filling out stuff on them that 
> there is just no comparison.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> K. Scott Carlson
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 1:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Free Writing App?
> 
> I do have a bluetooth keyboard, whch is one of the reasons I'm trying to find 
> a good Word processor.
> 
>> On 1/19/18, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Well, as far as I know, the only apps that allow editing of word 
>> documents are Pages and Word.
>> Frankly, I don't think either one works very well with VoiceOver. Word 
>> might work a little better than pages, but you will find it rather 
>> tedious and without a bluetooth  keyboard, I wouldn't waste my time.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>> 
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 9:49 AM, K. Scott Carlson 
>> mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> To make clear what I'm looking for, it's pretty simple:
>> 
>> I need an app that can, at the very least, read already-created Word 
>> files. i need it to have basic reading and editing functions but to be 
>> focused primarily on word processing itself; I'm not interested in, 
>> for example, novel creation. I haven't experimented too much with Word 
>> or Pages but it sounds like I may need to try them. Scrivener is not 
>> something I'm willing to pay for, and it sounds like with Writer one 
>> can only create one document at a time.
>> 
>> So, perhaps there simply isn't an app that fulfills what I'm looking 
>> for out there.
>> 
>> On 12/9/17, Kimberly
>> mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> While I am not familiar with Byword, I have been using Drafts for 
>> sometime now and like it very well. It is exactly what it says, a 
>> drafting app which while it allows you to mark up your text, it does 
>> not allow saving of documents. You have to for example copy then paste 
>> whatever you've written into another app to save it. So keep that in 
>> mind when making your decision.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The beauty of the Drafts app is its simplicity and of use. So if you 
>> don't mind the limitations I described above, I think it's a great choice.
>> 
>> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>> The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it 
>> that we go on.—Annie Proulx
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Apple Nerd 
>> mailto:the.big.apple.n...@hotmail.com>
>>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Which app would be worth getting? Byword or Drafts?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Richard Turner 
>> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I know it can import txt files, I'm not sure beyond that.
>> It can export to several including rtf and word.
>> It is primarily for document creation.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject 
>> of flying.
>> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
>> in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>> 🖖🏿
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2017, at 5:57 AM, Kimber Gardner 
>> mailto:kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Denny,
>> 
>> What writing was that? Also, I couldn't find a novel idea in the app 
>> store. Do you have a link?
>> 
>> Just as a point of information, I was going to try the writer app, but 
>> every time I tap the more tab the app causes my phone to freeze.
>> 
>> On 12/7/17, Denny Schwab
>> mailto:denny.sch...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> The Writing App I mentioned is set up to help you write a novel.  You 
>> can create Characters, Chapters, and put together Items and other 
>> things.  It collects all of these into Novels.  A Novel Idea did the 
>> same sort of thing, but also added in the ability to link characters 
>> and ideas to multiple novels, and let you set up relationships between 
>> characters.  Both are much more than just a word processor.
>> 
>> Denny
>> 
>> On 12/7/17, Richard Turner
>> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> Mark,
>> Voice Dream Writer allows for text markup so your final document can 
>> be exported with headings, bullets, etc.
>> You can export to RTF or Word.
>> You can navigate and edit by headings, paragraphs or sentences.
>> It has a great spell checker, and more.
>> Here is the link:
>> Voice Dream Writer by Voice