Re: app background refresh question

[Dave]

not totally sure, but you still might get a push notification.

Dave.


From: Ryan Mann 
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 4:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: app background refresh question

I would leave background app refresh on for apps like Uber.  That way, if you 
go to the home screen after setting up a trip, you will still get updates.  My 
understanding is that if background app refresh is not on, you wouldn’t not be 
able to receive updates in Uber about things such as when your ride will arrive 
if you go out of the app.  Somebody can correct me if I’m wrong. 


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 18, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Louise Peyton  wrote:


  Hello, all:

  To ease battery drain in Ios 12, I turned off all the apps in background 
refresh setting.  Now, the basic question is, what purpose does app background 
refresh serve?  Is it necessary to have it on for apps including uber and lyft? 
 Thanks in advance.

  Louise

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Re: app background refresh question

[Ryan Mann]

I would leave background app refresh on for apps like Uber.  That way, if you 
go to the home screen after setting up a trip, you will still get updates.  My 
understanding is that if background app refresh is not on, you wouldn’t not be 
able to receive updates in Uber about things such as when your ride will arrive 
if you go out of the app.  Somebody can correct me if I’m wrong.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Louise Peyton  wrote:
> 
> Hello, all:
> To ease battery drain in Ios 12, I turned off all the apps in background 
> refresh setting.  Now, the basic question is, what purpose does app 
> background refresh serve?  Is it necessary to have it on for apps including 
> uber and lyft?  Thanks in advance.
> Louise
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Re: eBay

[goshawk on horseback]

unfortunately then, don't know, as have given up on ebay for selling some time 
ago. sorry. 

Simon 


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  Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:35 AM
  Subject: RE: eBay


  a sold item.

  So I  sell the item, ship the item, get a tracking number.

  Then I have to  add it on eBay so eBay and the buyer can see it.

  That’s  where the problem  lies 

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
goshawk on horseback
  Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 8:15 PM
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  Subject: Re: eBay
  Importance: High

   

  are you talking about tracking a purchased, or sold item? 

   

  Simon 

   

   

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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 12:03 AM

Subject: eBay

 

Only problem I have with this app on iOS is when entering the 
shipping/tracking numbers on an item, there is no way for VO to see the done 
button.

You have to hit the done button before you can hit the add tracking button.

Anyone else experiencing this problem ?

iOS 12.1.1, iPhone 5S.

Thanks!

 

 

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Marie]

I think it has gotten pretty silly. the fact is, the IPhone has no home 
button and is using face id. Some like it and some don't. No one is being 
forced to own one without a finger print ID.

Marie

-Original Message- 
From: janet gross

Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

Hi Simon and All,
Wow, so you think someone should be shot!  LOL!  Smile!  I think this face 
id issue is well blown out of proportion.  Some people are thinking they 
have to move their head around and around to unlock their phone, this is not 
the case at all.  The only time someone will have to move their head around 
is during the face id set up process , and then just look at the phone when 
you want to unlock it.  If you want to unlock the phone while in your 
pocket, try lifting the phone out of your pocket, and look down at it, and 
place it back in your pocket.  Just a thought, so please don't shoot me, 
just trying to help.  I do have face id set up on my xr phone, and I did set 
it up myself.  The face id feature will walk you through the set up process, 
meaning it will tell you to turn your head to the right or to the left, or 
to look down, or to look at the screen etc. When I unlock my phone, I press 
the power button, and look at the phone, and the majority of the time it 
will unlock, but I've noticed if I don't look directly at the phone, it will 
not unlock, and I tried that just to see if it would really unlock if I 
wasn't looking directly at the phone.  Now, it does annoy me rather I look 
directly at the phone or not, and it will still ask me for my security code, 
but from my understanding from Apple, this is how the face id feature is set 
up, and the reason is for security purposes, in which I can appreciate, but 
still annoying at the sametime though.

Janet

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RE: eBay

[jhii926]

a sold item.

So I  sell the item, ship the item, get a tracking number.

Then I have to  add it on eBay so eBay and the buyer can see it.

That’s  where the problem  lies 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of goshawk 
on horseback
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 8:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: eBay
Importance: High

 

are you talking about tracking a purchased, or sold item? 

 

Simon 

 

 

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From: jhii...@gmail.com   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 12:03 AM

Subject: eBay

 

Only problem I have with this app on iOS is when entering the shipping/tracking 
numbers on an item, there is no way for VO to see the done button.

You have to hit the done button before you can hit the add tracking button.

Anyone else experiencing this problem ?

iOS 12.1.1, iPhone 5S.

Thanks!

 

 

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RE: Transcription Beta Question Please.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I think it is from iOS. I just work around the thing. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 8:08 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: Transcription Beta Question Please.

Hi Everyone,
Can someone please tell me how to get rid of this annoying
transcription beta feature that shows up every time I
attempt to listen to a voice mail message? This is the most
annoying thing, and to boot, it doesn't even read half the
message!  I have no idea how this even got on my phone
either.  Although, from my understanding this is from iOS,
but not for sure.
Thank you for any suggestions.
Janet




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RE: Deleting voice mails.

[Carolyn Arnold]

That was what I tried to do. It did not work. I flicked to the side and would 
finally get to Delete, but that wouldn't work. I reset the phone, still no go. 
Then someone mentioned rotor, that didn't work. Someone suggested flicking up, 
which I did, which didn't work, but then I flicked down, and it did. I even 
cleared all. I am so relieved. What a pain and an unnecessary problem, as far 
as I can see. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Robert Wright
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 7:44 PM
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Subject: RE: Deleting voice mails.

Flick down with 1 finger to delete a voicemail.

 

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
  ***

 

From: Carolyn Arnold  
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 1:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Deleting voice mails.

 

I have two voice mails. When I get to delete, I keep double

tapping, and it keeps saying delete, only it does not

delete. What am I doing wrong? What should I do right,

please? 

 

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RE: Deleting voice mails.

[Carolyn Arnold]

Once I finally got them deleted, I could and did do that. I could not initially 
delete - reset, rotor, nothing worked. Finally someone told me to flick up, 
which did not work, but when I flicked down after that, I was at Delete, double 
tapped, and it worked. I did the second one, then cleared all. What a relief. 
Another guy on another list said that happened to him occasionally. What a 
weird funk. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Bill Outman
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 6:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Deleting voice mails.

First, when you delete each voice mail, it goes into a deleted messages 
folder..  You can get to this folder through the deleted messages button within 
your voice mail tab.  This gives you the opportunity to undelet the messages if 
you had deleted them by mistake.  

There is a clear all button within this deleted messages menu.  I found I had 
to close phone and then come back into deleted messages for this to work.  Once 
you have done that, you can double tap clear all and you will be prompted.  You 
can either delete or cancel; this gives you one more chance to say you didn't 
really want to do that.  

Hope that is helpful.  

Bill Outman 



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 3:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Deleting voice mails.

I have two voice mails. When I get to delete, I keep double tapping, and it 
keeps saying delete, only it does not delete. What am I doing wrong? What 
should I do right, please? 

If you pray, don't worry; if you worry, don't pray,

Carolyn

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RE: face id opinions wanted

[Carolyn Arnold]

I don't either, but the thing is, if someone does, the best thing is to make as 
little of it as possible. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 7:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

Carolyn, 
I understand that, but I still don't see how anyone can say that is weird 
though.  Regardless who said it.  Smile!  
Janet 




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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

I was responding to Christopher's message to Simon. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

Hi Carolyn,
I really don't understand why anyone would say that is weird to unlock a phone, 
as we as blind people unlock the phone with face id the same way as sighted 
people, so I'm really lost on this one!  LOL!  
Janet
  , 




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

I am a one to say, if someone says something I'm doing is weird that I just say 
way weird, huh. That's the way it is. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 3:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; goshawk on horseback 

Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Absolutely!

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 2:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; goshawk on horseback
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Not really sure what the argument is here. Nothing wrong with people choosing 
not to use their smart phone eyes free for whatever reason.
Also, once someone told me that others might think I look weird using my phone 
in my pocket then I'm free to do whatever I want and it's really no one else's 
business after that.


BTW, one of the things I liked about my Nokia running Symbian with Talks and 
using the T9 interface was how easy it was to use with one hand and without 
ever having to pull it out of my pocket.


On 12/17/18 8:21 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
> well I've always been a total, so I thank the good lord that I don't 
> have all of these image hang ups. people take me as they find me, like 
> it or lump it!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "alia robinson" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> I have been around sighted people all my life, and as far as I have 
> ever been aware they have no misconceptions about me, and if they do I 
> soon put them to rest. why do you think it makes no difference how we act?
>
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:41 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
>
> exactly! you know what you are doing, and that's really all that matters.
> not only that, but given the many misconceptions that sighteds still 
> have about us anyway, does it really make that much difference?
>
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Re: eBay

[goshawk on horseback]

are you talking about tracking a purchased, or sold item? 

Simon 


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  Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 12:03 AM
  Subject: eBay


  Only problem I have with this app on iOS is when entering the 
shipping/tracking numbers on an item, there is no way for VO to see the done 
button.

  You have to hit the done button before you can hit the add tracking button.

  Anyone else experiencing this problem ?

  iOS 12.1.1, iPhone 5S.

  Thanks!

   

   


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Transcription Beta Question Please.

[janet gross]

Hi Everyone,
Can someone please tell me how to get rid of this annoying transcription beta 
feature that shows up every time I attempt to listen to a voice mail message? 
This is the most annoying thing, and to boot, it doesn't even read half the 
message!  I have no idea how this even got on my phone either.  Although, from 
my understanding this is from iOS, but not for sure.
Thank you for any suggestions.
Janet




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RE: Deleting voice mails.

[Robert Wright]

Flick down with 1 finger to delete a voicemail.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
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From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 1:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Deleting voice mails.

I have two voice mails. When I get to delete, I keep double
tapping, and it keeps saying delete, only it does not
delete. What am I doing wrong? What should I do right,
please? 

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RE: face id opinions wanted

[janet gross]

Carolyn, 
I understand that, but I still don't see how anyone can say that is weird 
though.  Regardless who said it.  Smile!  
Janet 




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 5:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

I was responding to Christopher's message to Simon. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

Hi Carolyn,
I really don't understand why anyone would say that is weird to unlock a phone, 
as we as blind people unlock the phone with face id the same way as sighted 
people, so I'm really lost on this one!  LOL!  
Janet
  , 




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

I am a one to say, if someone says something I'm doing is weird that I just say 
way weird, huh. That's the way it is. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 3:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; goshawk on horseback 

Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Absolutely!

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 2:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; goshawk on horseback
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Not really sure what the argument is here. Nothing wrong with people choosing 
not to use their smart phone eyes free for whatever reason.
Also, once someone told me that others might think I look weird using my phone 
in my pocket then I'm free to do whatever I want and it's really no one else's 
business after that.


BTW, one of the things I liked about my Nokia running Symbian with Talks and 
using the T9 interface was how easy it was to use with one hand and without 
ever having to pull it out of my pocket.


On 12/17/18 8:21 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
> well I've always been a total, so I thank the good lord that I don't 
> have all of these image hang ups. people take me as they find me, like 
> it or lump it!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "alia robinson" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> I have been around sighted people all my life, and as far as I have 
> ever been aware they have no misconceptions about me, and if they do I 
> soon put them to rest. why do you think it makes no difference how we act?
>
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:41 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
>
> exactly! you know what you are doing, and that's really all that matters.
> not only that, but given the many misconceptions that sighteds still 
> have about us anyway, does it really make that much difference?
>
--
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Chaltain at Gmail

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eBay

[jhii926]

Only problem I have with this app on iOS is when entering the
shipping/tracking numbers on an item, there is no way for VO to see the done
button.

You have to hit the done button before you can hit the add tracking button.

Anyone else experiencing this problem ?

iOS 12.1.1, iPhone 5S.

Thanks!

 

 

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RE: Deleting voice mails.

[Bill Outman]

First, when you delete each voice mail, it goes into a deleted messages 
folder..  You can get to this folder through the deleted messages button within 
your voice mail tab.  This gives you the opportunity to undelet the messages if 
you had deleted them by mistake.  

There is a clear all button within this deleted messages menu.  I found I had 
to close phone and then come back into deleted messages for this to work.  Once 
you have done that, you can double tap clear all and you will be prompted.  You 
can either delete or cancel; this gives you one more chance to say you didn't 
really want to do that.  

Hope that is helpful.  

Bill Outman 



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 3:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Deleting voice mails.

I have two voice mails. When I get to delete, I keep double tapping, and it 
keeps saying delete, only it does not delete. What am I doing wrong? What 
should I do right, please? 

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RE: iTunes update

[Robert Wright]

You are right. I didn’t notice anything after Mac.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
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From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 9:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update

Then you didn't read the entire information on that site, I just went to 
www.iTunes.com and clicked on "Download iTunes" and here is what it says:

iTunes for Windows
Get it from Microsoft – that is a link which will indeed take you to the 
Windows Store
Windows System Requirements(

Looking for other versions?
macOS( Windows(
Those are buttons and if you click on "Windows", it sort of changes around, the 
desktop version is shown and the button above for "Windows" now becomes 
"Windows Store", like this:

iTunes for Windows
Download now (64-bit) – that is a link
Looking for Windows 32-bit? Download here – this is also a link

Windows System Requirements(
Looking for other versions?
macOS( Windows Store
Again those are buttons.
I had at one point installed the Windows Store version and really didn't like 
it and I again removed it and reinstalled the desktop version.
If you read on you get a bit more information and the bit about Android:

50 million songs on all your devices.
Expand your listening experience with Apple Music. If you’ve got an iPhone or 
iPad, Apple Music is already built in — just open the Music app and tap “Try it 
free.”
Listen to your favourite music ad-free on all your devices, online or off.
Start your free three-month trial and cancel anytime.*
Learn more about Apple Music

If your other device uses Android, you can still get Apple Music.
Apple Music is also available for Android. Stream and  download all the same 
music and videos.
Get it on Google Play – that is also a link which obviously will take you to 
the Google Play Store.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 5:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update

Why then was I only shown the Microsoft store when I went to 
www.itunes.com

When I clicked on windows that was the only choice I saw.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
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From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update

That is because you are running the Enterprise version of iTunes, 12.6.3 is its 
own version so to speak separate from the newer iTunes versions. It was 
primarily made for business who want to manage apps via iTunes which you can't 
do in the newer versions of iTunes.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 12:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update

It never showed up for me. All I was ever shown was iCloud.and this was when I 
was running 12.6.3.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
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From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 11:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update

That is only true if you installed the Windows Store version which I strongly 
discourage, the desktop version in my opinion still works much better and still 
updates via Apple Update.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 1:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update

Well, that has changed. Apple software update only updates iCloud. To update 
iTunes you must go to the Microsoft store. Even if you go to 
www.itunes.com

it will send you to the Microsoft store if you are running windows.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
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From: Anna Dresner
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 9:00 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: iTunes update

Hi Fanus,

Close iTunes and launch Apple Update. That may not be the exact name, but it's 
something like it. Use it to check for updates.

Best,
Anna




On Dec 13, 2018, at 2:51 AM, Fanus  wrote:

Hello Debbie
Thanks but that is my problem. I get to the page where iTunes is discussed but 
I get no install or download link or button. There is a link to download from 
the microsoft store but even there I do not find a link or button. I use 
windows10 and the latest version of jaws.
Regards
Fanus
 
 
From: Debbie April Yuille
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update
 
Hi Fanus
 
Once you’ve checked for updates, you need to close iTunes and make sure that 
you are in the Apple Software Update program. That will have the iTunes update 
checked. You then tab to the install update button. The update is well worth it 
as the column browser and Jaws issue is fixed.
 
Debbie
 
From: 

foldable bluetooth keyboard?

[Devin Prater]

Hi all. Does anyone have, or know of, a folding Bluetooth keyboard that works 
with iOS that is under $45?

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RE: face id opinions wanted

[Carolyn Arnold]

I was responding to Christopher's message to Simon. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

Hi Carolyn,
I really don't understand why anyone would say that is weird to unlock a phone, 
as we as blind people unlock the phone with face id the same way as sighted 
people, so I'm really lost on this one!  LOL!  
Janet
  , 




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

I am a one to say, if someone says something I'm doing is weird that I just say 
way weird, huh. That's the way it is. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Dave
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 3:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; goshawk on horseback 

Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Absolutely!

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 2:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; goshawk on horseback
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Not really sure what the argument is here. Nothing wrong with people choosing 
not to use their smart phone eyes free for whatever reason.
Also, once someone told me that others might think I look weird using my phone 
in my pocket then I'm free to do whatever I want and it's really no one else's 
business after that.


BTW, one of the things I liked about my Nokia running Symbian with Talks and 
using the T9 interface was how easy it was to use with one hand and without 
ever having to pull it out of my pocket.


On 12/17/18 8:21 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
> well I've always been a total, so I thank the good lord that I don't 
> have all of these image hang ups. people take me as they find me, like 
> it or lump it!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "alia robinson" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> I have been around sighted people all my life, and as far as I have 
> ever been aware they have no misconceptions about me, and if they do I 
> soon put them to rest. why do you think it makes no difference how we act?
>
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:41 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
>
> exactly! you know what you are doing, and that's really all that matters.
> not only that, but given the many misconceptions that sighteds still 
> have about us anyway, does it really make that much difference?
>
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RE: Siri Shortcut for Google Assistant

[janet gross]

HI Mary and All, 
I downloaded the Google assistant a few days ago, but when I go into the app , 
I get a message telling me to login to Google, but I don't have a Google 
account, so do I need to have an account? I never had the Siri shortcuts set up 
either, so do I need to set them up? If so, can someone please tell me how to 
do that? I would like to use this Google Assistant.   
Janet 
,



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Subject: Re: Siri Shortcut for Google Assistant

In a word, yes. I wonder what happened.
Mary


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> 
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Re: Siri Shortcut for Google Assistant

[Brice Smith]

I’m hoping it’s just a bug, but I can imagine Apple removing this one for 
obvious reasons. It actually seemed too good to be true while it lasted.  

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> On Dec 18, 2018, at 5:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> In a word, yes. I wonder what happened.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> 
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>> continue in Assistant.” My other shortcuts still work. I tried
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Re: Siri Shortcut for Google Assistant

[Mary Otten]

In a word, yes. I wonder what happened.
Mary


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> 
> When I use my recorded phrase, Siri now always says “you’ll need to
> continue in Assistant.” My other shortcuts still work. I tried
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RE: face id opinions wanted

[janet gross]

Lenron, 
You definitely have the wrong idea about this face id.  Now, I can understand 
if you just don't like it, or you just don't want it, as that is your right, 
but Spin your head around hop up and down to unlock your phone, not so.  You 
are blowing this all out of proportion!  LOL!   
Janet 
  



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All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.

On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> Hi,
> I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
> seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my students
> is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When you set
> up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were going
> from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
> usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of you,
> six or so inches away from your face.
> Aleeha
>
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jed
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Siri Shortcut for Google Assistant

[Brice Smith]

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RE: face id opinions wanted

[janet gross]

Hi Simon and All, 
Wow, so you think someone should be shot!  LOL!  Smile!  I think this face id 
issue is well blown out of proportion.  Some people are thinking they have to 
move their head around and around to unlock their phone, this is not the case 
at all.  The only time someone will have to move their head around is during 
the face id set up process , and then just look at the phone when you want to 
unlock it.  If you want to unlock the phone while in your pocket, try lifting 
the phone out of your pocket, and look down at it, and place it back in your 
pocket.  Just a thought, so please don't shoot me, just trying to help.  I do 
have face id set up on my xr phone, and I did set it up myself.  The face id 
feature will walk you through the set up process, meaning it will tell you to 
turn your head to the right or to the left, or to look down, or to look at the 
screen etc. When I unlock my phone, I press the power button, and look at the 
phone, and the majority of the time it will unlock, but I've noticed if I don't 
look directly at the phone, it will not unlock, and I tried that just to see if 
it would really unlock if I wasn't looking directly at the phone.  Now, it does 
annoy me rather I look directly at the phone or not, and it will still ask me 
for my security code, but from my understanding from Apple, this is how the 
face id feature is set up, and the reason is for security purposes, in which I 
can appreciate, but still annoying at the sametime though.   
Janet 

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RE: face id opinions wanted

[janet gross]

Hi Carolyn, 
I really don't understand why anyone would say that is weird to unlock a phone, 
as we as blind people unlock the phone with face id the same way as sighted 
people, so I'm really lost on this one!  LOL!  
Janet 
  , 




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Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

I am a one to say, if someone says something I'm doing is weird that I just say 
way weird, huh. That's the way it is. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Dave
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 3:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; goshawk on horseback 

Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Absolutely!

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 2:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; goshawk on horseback
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Not really sure what the argument is here. Nothing wrong with people choosing 
not to use their smart phone eyes free for whatever reason.
Also, once someone told me that others might think I look weird using my phone 
in my pocket then I'm free to do whatever I want and it's really no one else's 
business after that.


BTW, one of the things I liked about my Nokia running Symbian with Talks and 
using the T9 interface was how easy it was to use with one hand and without 
ever having to pull it out of my pocket.


On 12/17/18 8:21 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
> well I've always been a total, so I thank the good lord that I don't 
> have all of these image hang ups. people take me as they find me, like 
> it or lump it!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "alia robinson" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> I have been around sighted people all my life, and as far as I have 
> ever been aware they have no misconceptions about me, and if they do I 
> soon put them to rest. why do you think it makes no difference how we act?
>
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:41 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
>
> exactly! you know what you are doing, and that's really all that matters.
> not only that, but given the many misconceptions that sighteds still 
> have about us anyway, does it really make that much difference?
>
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iCloud backup. Will my VDR library be restored from here?

['Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone]

Hi,

I have VDR enabled as an app in iCloud storage. Does this mean when I restored 
from this iCloud backup after resetting my phone, that my VDR library will be 
restored?

I would very much like to avoid having to use iTunes and File Transfer for this 
purpose.

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Deleting voice mails.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I have two voice mails. When I get to delete, I keep double
tapping, and it keeps saying delete, only it does not
delete. What am I doing wrong? What should I do right,
please? 

If you pray, don't worry; if you worry, don't pray,

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RE: face id opinions wanted

[Carolyn Arnold]

I am a one to say, if someone says something I'm doing is weird that I just say 
way weird, huh. That's the way it is. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 3:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; goshawk on horseback 

Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Absolutely!

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 2:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; goshawk on horseback
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Not really sure what the argument is here. Nothing wrong with people choosing 
not to use their smart phone eyes free for whatever reason.
Also, once someone told me that others might think I look weird using my phone 
in my pocket then I'm free to do whatever I want and it's really no one else's 
business after that.


BTW, one of the things I liked about my Nokia running Symbian with Talks and 
using the T9 interface was how easy it was to use with one hand and without 
ever having to pull it out of my pocket.


On 12/17/18 8:21 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
> well I've always been a total, so I thank the good lord that I don't 
> have all of these image hang ups. people take me as they find me, like 
> it or lump it!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "alia robinson" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> I have been around sighted people all my life, and as far as I have 
> ever been aware they have no misconceptions about me, and if they do I 
> soon put them to rest. why do you think it makes no difference how we act?
>
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:41 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
>
> exactly! you know what you are doing, and that's really all that matters.
> not only that, but given the many misconceptions that sighteds still 
> have about us anyway, does it really make that much difference?
>
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RE: face id opinions wanted

[janet gross]

Hi All, 
Yes, I've also heard that Apple might introduce the touch id as well as the 
face id, so people will have a choice.  As choice is always welcome.  
Janet 
 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Devin Prater
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 1:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
Importance: High

I’ve heard, recently, that at some point Apple will have a phone with in-screen 
touch-ID, and FaceID at the same time. Of course, this is years away, but your 
iPhone 8 can last years too.

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
> 
> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id and 
> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in 
> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is 
> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as 
> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do that 
> with this pesky face id rubbish!
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
> Subject: face id opinions wanted
> 
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jed
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Re: Nearby Explorer Downloading Maps on Cellular Data

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Joe,

Open Settings and go to Nearby Explorer. Turn off Cellular Data until the maps 
are downloaded. Then turn it back on.

Best,
Anna




> On Dec 17, 2018, at 5:30 PM, Joe Orozco  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I want Nearby Explorer to be able to use cellular data for navigation
> when needed; however, I do not want it to download maps while on
> cellular data. Where in the app can I go to adjust this? Thanks in
> advance.--Joe
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RE: face id opinions wanted

[Michael Doise]

Good morning everyone, I felt that I need to put my two cent in on this topic.



I understand that Touch ID allows for ease of use of your iPhone, and we should 
not have to feel that we are doing something wrong by using a phone in our 
pockets, but lets look at it from the perspective of someone sighted. As a low 
vision person, I would be very disturbed if I could see someone’s pocket 
bulging and moving. That would be disturbing and I might not talk to that 
person because I would not know what they were up to, so please consider this 
when you say you do not want people to judge you for using your phone in your 
pocket. I do think though that it would be cool if there was on screen 
fingerprinting for users who would like to use a Braille display or some other 
device, One workaround though is to use the Braille keyboard or a Bluetooth 
keyboard to enter a passcode, so it is not to bad.



Also, as a low vision user, I have to use attention mode off on Face ID but 
otherwise, I think it is very easy to use. I also think that Face ID is very 
secure, and I would recommend that people use it over just a passcode or no 
security at all.



I think that we will see new security technologies in the future, but until 
then, I think we have a great solution for now.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10




From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Sieghard 
Weitzel 
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 9:57:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

Simon, you do knowhat the iPhone 8 has Touch Id? Nobody forced you to snap up 
an iPhone X last year when Face Id was brand new and just as with first 
generation Touch Id was probably not as reliable and good as second generation 
Touch Id was or this year's Face Id.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of goshawk 
on horseback
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 12:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
Importance: High

who gives a toss about looks and all of this normality trash! I certainly
don't!
given the choice, I would much rather be able to use touch id whilst the
phone is in a bumbag whilst I am out riding, rather than having to take it
out for this stupid face id, and increase the risk of dropping it if the
horse spooks or something any day, and stuff how it looks.

Simon


- Original Message -
From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket,
you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is
much more secure than TouchID ever was.
Aleeha

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback
>  wrote:
>
> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id
> and
> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as
> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do
> that
> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jed
>
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RE: face id opinions wanted

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Simon, you do knowhat the iPhone 8 has Touch Id? Nobody forced you to snap up 
an iPhone X last year when Face Id was brand new and just as with first 
generation Touch Id was probably not as reliable and good as second generation 
Touch Id was or this year's Face Id.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of goshawk 
on horseback
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 12:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
Importance: High

who gives a toss about looks and all of this normality trash! I certainly 
don't!
given the choice, I would much rather be able to use touch id whilst the 
phone is in a bumbag whilst I am out riding, rather than having to take it 
out for this stupid face id, and increase the risk of dropping it if the 
horse spooks or something any day, and stuff how it looks.

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is 
much more secure than TouchID ever was.
Aleeha

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
>
> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id 
> and
> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as
> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do 
> that
> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jed
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RE: face id opinions wanted

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Len,

You may not have your phone around people, but millions of people do and to 
them security does matter.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

I got touch Id setup in know time. Also if it's cold out, using my
phone in my pocket works just fine for certain things. hahaha face id
more secure than touch id not worried about that when I don't have my
phone around anyone I am worried about hacking my device.

On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> Hi,
> I can’t see at all and set it up just fine, and I know that many others have
> as well. You don’t have to be really accurate. Just hold the phone
> vertically a little ways away from you and it should be fine. Make sure you
> have attention mode turned off, especially if your eyes move a lot or don’t
> open.
> Aleeha
>
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>
>> that's the whole point.  I've just really struggled with it.  Like i
>> said, when you can't see the screen, i'm pointing my phone, in what
>> seems like the right direction.  Literally, if you're a quarter inch
>> off, you're done.  I shouldn't have to sit there for 30 seconds to try
>> and unlock my phone.  That's 30 seconds when i could be productive.
>>
>> On 12/17/18, goshawk on horseback 
>> wrote:
>>> exactly! what a whole load of messing around, and when touch id was so
>>> much
>>>
>>> easier!
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "lenron brown" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>>>
>>>
>>> All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
>>> head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
>>> do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.
>>>
>>> On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
 Hi,
 I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
 seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my
 students
 is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When you
 set
 up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were
 going
 from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
 usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of
 you,
 six or so inches away from your face.
 Aleeha

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jed
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RE: face id opinions wanted

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Having the choice once Touch Id is available to work anywhere on the screen 
would be ideal. Simon, I'm sure Apple hasn't consulted blind horseback riders 
which I assume do not make up a large number of Apple's customers, but also 
remember that there are a lot of people who probably love Face Id because it 
works so much better for them than Touch Id. If I have a project going in my 
woodworking shop I can usually forget Touch Id for a week afterwards because I 
may have little scratches or cuts on my fingers along with maybe a bit of glue 
or wood finish which comes off gradually, but it's enough for Touch Id to not 
work. Think of all the thousands of sighted people who are manual workers, who 
need to wear gloves or simply all of us in the northern regions where you have 
to wear gloves because it's cold for a good part of the year. Here Face Id is 
much more convenient.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of goshawk 
on horseback
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
Importance: High

exactly! what a whole load of messing around, and when touch id was so much 
easier!

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "lenron brown" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.

On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> Hi,
> I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
> seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my 
> students
> is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When you 
> set
> up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were 
> going
> from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
> usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of you,
> six or so inches away from your face.
> Aleeha
>
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jed
>>
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RE: face id opinions wanted

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If Apple offers both it may not be this fall, but I wouldn't be surprised if it 
were in the Fall of 2020. Qualcom has just announced their Snapdragon 855 chip 
which supports fingerprint unlock by putting your finger anywhere on the screen 
and Android phones are expected to adopt it this year. Apple designs their own 
chip and, once again if this is part of what they want to offer, I'm sure it's 
well on the way. Of course if Face Id is what Apple decides they want to push 
then just as with the 3.5mm headphone jack no amount of consumer grumbling will 
change their mind. By the way, I remember a few people who like Jed with Face 
Id hated Touch Id when it came out and insisted that it simply was not working 
for them.
My advice to Jed would be to get some help in setting it up and learning how to 
use it. It seems to work perfectly fine for most others hence I assume it 
really is simply because he is not setting it up and using it correctly. Once 
again, this is not meant in a negative way, but I also know people who for the 
life of them can't put their phone in the middle of a piece of paper and lift 
it up straight to get a decent OCR result and I knew a girl back in Germany at 
the school for the blind whose sense of direction was so bad that she would get 
turned around in a 6 foot wide hallway and she wouldn't notice it.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Devin 
Prater
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
Importance: High

I’ve heard, recently, that at some point Apple will have a phone with in-screen 
touch-ID, and FaceID at the same time. Of course, this is years away, but your 
iPhone 8 can last years too.

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
> 
> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id and 
> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in 
> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is 
> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as 
> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do that 
> with this pesky face id rubbish!
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
> Subject: face id opinions wanted
> 
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jed
> 
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app background refresh question

[Louise Peyton]

Hello, all:
To ease battery drain in Ios 12, I turned off all the apps in background 
refresh setting.  Now, the basic question is, what purpose does app background 
refresh serve?  Is it necessary to have it on for apps including uber and lyft? 
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RE: A few questions about Bos speakers and Spotify versus apple music

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shermeen 
Khan
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 9:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A few questions about Bos speakers and Spotify versus apple music

Thanks so much, Sieghard. Am I correct in understanding that the bos sound link 
is not an airplay speaker, then? it must be via Bluetooth only?


On 12/17/18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Personally I don't use Playlists a lot and I still think Apple has 
> more music, but ultimately these Playlists are curated content so it 
> depnds on your taste.
> As for Voiceover coming through the Bose speaker that can't be 
> changed, any Bluetooth speaker will stream any audio and you would 
> need an Airplay/Airplay 2 capable speaker to do what you want. With 
> Airplay only the music is streamed on the speaker and Voiceover remains on 
> the phone.
> Personally I find there is good use for both.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Shermeen Khan
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 5:38 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: A few questions about Bos speakers and Spotify versus apple 
> music
>
> Hi all,
>
> A few quick questions, if that's ok.
>
> This weekend, I received as a present a bos sounlink mini--it's such a 
> powerful and tiny little speaker, and I got it paired to my IPhone 
> with minimal effort. That said, voiceover continues to play through 
> the bos speaker, which means that while I'm streaming music to the 
> speaker, I can't really use my phone for any other reason. is there a 
> way for the music to come through the speaker and for voiceover to 
> continue coming through the phone itself? or is that just wishful 
> thinking?
>
> Secondly, a friend of mine has spotify, and I've found that the 
> playlists available to him are often better than those I can find on 
> apple music. Can anyone comment as to their experience with apple 
> music vs. spotify? could you justify having both? I say this knowing 
> it's obviously a matter of preference. Also, is spotify accessible 
> enough?
>
> Thanks very much in advance, and I hope everyone has a wonderful 
> holiday season!
>
> Shermeen
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Joney]

I understand the problem people are having. However, I have found that if you 
memorize a spot that works in front of you, as in position, it will work every 
time. My daughter told me, that often I took the phone back to far. With her 
ideas and assistance, I can get it to undo itself 90% of the time. I just have 
to remember that my hand has to be in a certain position and a certain place 
for it to work. I’m not happy with Face ID, but I’m going to use it because I 
refuse to allow something technological to beat me. :-)

Joney
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He will lead you through it."  

> On Dec 18, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Angie Nutt  wrote:
> 
> Maybe it’s because I’m getting old but I really wouldn’t care if a future 
> boss thought I looked strange. I used to be very timid but now I’d likely 
> tell above-mentioned boss just what I thought of him/her.
> 
> All the best
> Angie
> 
>> On 17 Dec 2018, at 20:00, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
>> 
>> Responding to both these messages in one, at the risk of being off topic, 
>> you would care about looking strange if a future boss saw it. Just saying, 
>> and now I’m done.
>> Aleeha 
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:57 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, to be fair, some blind people don’t really care if it looks normal. 
>>> It’s an advantage that we have, that we could use a phone without needing 
>>> to have it even remotely pointing towards us. But we must adapt. I can 
>>> almost guarantee that Android manufacturers will adopt something like 
>>> FaceID, albeit without the true security that Apple gives, well, not 
>>> counting attention-mode being off for us… Even then they couldn’t take the 
>>> phone without you at least hearing the unlock sound, at most hearing 
>>> VoiceOver speaking. Sure, it’s a little painful now, but it will get 
>>> better, as it did with TouchID.
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
 wrote:
 
 Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
 you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID 
 is much more secure than TouchID ever was.
 Aleeha 
 
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
> 
> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id 
> and 
> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in 
> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is 
> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, 
> as 
> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do 
> that 
> with this pesky face id rubbish!
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
> Subject: face id opinions wanted
> 
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jed
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Apple releases iOS 12.1.2

[Dave]

came across this update today.

Not sure, if there are any accessibility fixes for us.

Dave.

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Angie Nutt]

Maybe it’s because I’m getting old but I really wouldn’t care if a future boss 
thought I looked strange. I used to be very timid but now I’d likely tell 
above-mentioned boss just what I thought of him/her.

All the best
Angie

> On 17 Dec 2018, at 20:00, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> Responding to both these messages in one, at the risk of being off topic, you 
> would care about looking strange if a future boss saw it. Just saying, and 
> now I’m done.
> Aleeha 
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:57 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, to be fair, some blind people don’t really care if it looks normal. 
>> It’s an advantage that we have, that we could use a phone without needing to 
>> have it even remotely pointing towards us. But we must adapt. I can almost 
>> guarantee that Android manufacturers will adopt something like FaceID, 
>> albeit without the true security that Apple gives, well, not counting 
>> attention-mode being off for us… Even then they couldn’t take the phone 
>> without you at least hearing the unlock sound, at most hearing VoiceOver 
>> speaking. Sure, it’s a little painful now, but it will get better, as it did 
>> with TouchID.
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
>>> you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is 
>>> much more secure than TouchID ever was.
>>> Aleeha 
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
  wrote:
 
 same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id 
 and 
 replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
 another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in 
 something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is 
 particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as 
 it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do 
 that 
 with this pesky face id rubbish!
 
 Simon
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: "Jed Barton" 
 To: "viphone" 
 Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
 Subject: face id opinions wanted
 
 
 Hey guys,
 
 OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
 i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
 technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
 as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
 am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
 minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
 towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
 tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
 that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
 I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
 i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
 thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
 phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
 In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
 phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
 open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
 experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jed
 
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Larry Smith]

Are we ever going to let this topic go??? damn! I’m sure I’ll get some negative 
blow back!smiles

>   On Dec 18, 2018, at 2:39 AM, Janet Bell  wrote:
> 
> Hi just wanted to point out that when you are out and about it is a lot safer 
> to have your phone in either your bag or pocket and I don't think it looks 
> strange at all.  Janet
> 
> -Original Message- From: Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
> To: viPhone
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
> 
> Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
> you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is 
> much more secure than TouchID ever was.
> Aleeha
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id and
>> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
>> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
>> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
>> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as
>> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do that
>> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Jed Barton" 
>> To: "viphone" 
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
>> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>> 
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jed
>> 
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Dave]

Absolutely!

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 2:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; goshawk on horseback
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Not really sure what the argument is here. Nothing wrong with people
choosing not to use their smart phone eyes free for whatever reason.
Also, once someone told me that others might think I look weird using my
phone in my pocket then I'm free to do whatever I want and it's really
no one else's business after that.


BTW, one of the things I liked about my Nokia running Symbian with Talks
and using the T9 interface was how easy it was to use with one hand and
without ever having to pull it out of my pocket.


On 12/17/18 8:21 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:

well I've always been a total, so I thank the good lord that I don't have
all of these image hang ups. people take me as they find me, like it or 
lump

it!

Simon


- Original Message -
From: "alia robinson" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


I have been around sighted people all my life, and as far as I have ever
been aware they have no misconceptions about me, and if they do I soon put
them to rest. why do you think it makes no difference how we act?

On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:41 PM, goshawk on horseback
 wrote:

exactly! you know what you are doing, and that's really all that matters.
not only that, but given the many misconceptions that sighteds still have
about us anyway, does it really make that much difference?


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