Keyboard/case for new Ipad mini

['ChalmersAS' via VIPhone]

Hi

I am considering buying the new mini and I’ve never had an ipad before.

Any advice on the best sort of keyboard/case would be welcome. Is it best to go 
for the Apple one, or are other options any good?

Thanks in advance

Adrienne

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Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

[Dave]

Hi Dianne. You can read strait from the scanner app.

and you can, also do it by hand, without a stand.

Dave.


From: Dianne B Phelps 
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 3:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

First of all, I was not impressed with the NFB Technology explanation as to why 
KNFB Reader has fallen so far behind in terms of its ability. I suspect Dr. 
Kurzweil may be retiring from the scene somewhat as he well deserves and NFB is 
fiddling around with things instead of tending to business. Won’t further 
speculate on that.

 

I do have a couple of questions about Voice Dream Scanner. First of all must 
you absolutely have to have the stand to use it or can you free-hand hold the 
phone as I have managed for years with the KNFB products? Secondly, will the 
scanner, Voice Dream Scanner, read the document you have taken a picture of as 
I do with my mail and then begin reading or do I absolutely have to get the 
document into their reader app in order to read? Frankly, all of what sounds 
like a good bit of document manipulation absolutely overwhelms me. I need to be 
able to take the picture and get the stuff read and am not sure I have the 
patience to have to go into something else, dig around for the document and 
maybe get it read. This stuff is absolutely boggling my mind.

 

When I looked at your video the other day, Richard, I really could not hear 
your demonstration well nor could I hear to understand the speech as it read 
the document after which extra steps you had to take to get it to read.

 

Sorry, it’s old lady ears and not quite understanding all the steps. KNFB and 
Seeing AI are simple. They just don’t work consistently.

 

I have been a Kurzweil reader since the first home version personal reader in 
the early 1990’s and have followed his technology all the way through. I have 
had good luck with it until the last year or two since they are no longer doing 
updates and keeping the product up to date. Also had a device called the Read 
EZ Move which GW Micro sold for a while which was really terrific too. It was a 
device from England, but mine just went out a few months ago and it is not 
manufactured  nor can it be repaired any longer. So, I am feeling kind of 
desperate  to find something which will make reading easier once again. 

 

Thanks for further information, and NFB needs to get back on the stick. How 
dare they treat Dr. Kurzweil’s product and work like this. If they aren’t going 
to do it, someone needs to step up to the plate and get it done though with all 
the R&D bellaching excuses,, I doubt it will happen where it is now. It’s a 
real shame, and I am not a happy long-time user.

 

Smiles to all,

 

Dianne and the Fur Crew

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Re: Any trouble moving apps?

['Bill Gallik' via VIPhone]

I just have to add my two cents here; I wasn’t even aware of the enhanced app 
management feature until a couple of weeks ago.  I had been having fits trying 
to arrange apps on my iPad Mini II to reflect a similar layout to my iPhone.  
This enhanced app management feature is just a piece of cake.

I never cease to wonder at the ingenuity of the Apple software engineers and 
how iOS works so well with accessibility features.

And before anybody opts to make a snide comment about me “drinking the Apple 
Kool-Aid,” permit me to remind any such curmudgeon that I had a quite 
successful career as a software engineer at Bell Laboratories - translate that 
as, I do know a bit about software design and development.  I tip my cap to 
those characters in Cupertino! ;-) 


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Trekz Sizing - Was: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

['Bill Gallik' via VIPhone]

Sieghard et al,

When I last ordered a set of Trekz Bone Conduction earphones there was an 
option for the size of the headband.  Admittedly, it was not particularly 
granular; but there was at least a large and regular choice.

Has Trekz discontinued this; I am quite satisfied with the large Titaniums I 
ordered several years ago; the very first Trekz I ordered had a too small (for 
me) headband and it cracked within a few weeks.  It would truly be a shame if 
they had decided to discontinue the size option - far more important than the 
several color choices offered.



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I myself deny it."
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On Apr 6, 2019, at 11:57 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

I recently bought the Trekz Titanium Air which I like, but I am not 100% happy 
with how there is a non-adjustable band or whatever you want to call it behind 
your head. For me it’s way to big and if I push it further up my head where 
it’s lying against my head then it doesn’t really stay there during walking. 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected
 
 
The volume will never be loud enough when walking in noisy traffic.
That is the only downside to having your ears uncovered, which of course, is 
also the upside to using bone conduction.
If you need the gps info while in noisy areas, there really isn't a good 
solution.
If you just want info while hearing your surroundings they are fine.
I will say as someone who has not been able to where the previous Aftershokz, I 
had an opportunity to try the Trex titanium the other day and they are more 
comfortable by far.
Richard
 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker
 

On Apr 6, 2019, at 7:36 AM, Michael   mailto:michael.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That's the main thing to realise about bone conduction. You're never going to 
get the same richness of sound that you would from earbuds or headphones. The 
upside is that you can't really damage your hearing with them since the sound 
goes through your skull. They're ideal for reading a book or listening to GPS 
instructions while walking so you can still hear your surroundings normally 
with your ears. They also don't interfere with hearing aids which is a plus in 
my case. One major minus is that I find the microphone in the Trekz Titanium 
leaves much to be desired. I would never do a recording with it. You can be 
understood by Siri and on phone calls but it's an area where I'd like some 
improvement. I don't regret my backing of the Trekz Titaniums when they came 
out and will upgrade to whatever the current generation of Aftershokz is when 
these ones fail. Aftershokz customer service and warranty has been very good 
and they quickly replaced a set which broke without fuss.
 
On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 10:11 AM Larry Lumpkin mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>> wrote:
I love my treks titanium. I didn’t buy them for music but they’re just fine for 
gps navigation instructions.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; R Van Lant 
mailto:vanlant2...@msn.com>>
Subject: Re: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected
 
I have a pair of Aftershokz Trekz Titaniums, and I love them. They're my go to 
headphones now. I find them super comfortable and the sound quality is much 
better then the Aftershokz Bluez which they replaced. I can see where volume 
might be a problem if you're in a really noisy environment, but I'm able to 
crank the volume up enough when I'm in the car and there's quite a bit a road 
noise.

 

On 4/6/19 8:56 AM, R Van Lant wrote:
Hi,
I’m looking for input from those who have used bone conduction headphones.  I 
recently ordered my first  pair from Mystic Access after hearing a podcast on 
them.  I had been considering this purchase for a while because my ears have 
been feeling sensitive to having earbuds directly  in my ears.   I naively 
thought that there really was something special to how the sound was conducted, 
but my experience with these is similar to years ago when I used to place my 
over the head padded headphones just in front of my ears and turn up the 
volume.  I am actually finding that the volume on these is not loud enough to 
hear when I’m walking along a traffic filled road.  Is  my experience similar 
to yours?  At this point, I’m really not finding them worth the investment and 
glad I did not spend more on aftershokz.  My ears have just felt so sensitive 
to

Re: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

[Cristobal Munoz]

I’m pretty sure there is a sizing chart one can use to buy different sizes 
with. I’ve got a fairly big noggin at 7 3/8 inches, so for fit, it’s not an 
issue for me. I don’t recall personally using a chart, so maybe the bigger size 
is the default. I do recall other people mentioning it though. This would only 
make sense since women use them as well.


> On Apr 6, 2019, at 9:57 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I recently bought the Trekz Titanium Air which I like, but I am not 100% 
> happy with how there is a non-adjustable band or whatever you want to call it 
> behind your head. For me it’s wway to big and if I push it further up my head 
> where it’s lying against my head then it doesn’t really stay there during 
> walking.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 8:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected
>  
>  
> The volume will never be loud enough when walking in noisy traffic.
> That is the only downside to having your ears uncovered, which of course, is 
> also the upside to using bone conduction.
> If you need the gps info while in noisy areas, there really isn't a good 
> solution.
> If you just want info while hearing your surroundings they are fine.
> I will say as someone who has not been able to where the previous Aftershokz, 
> I had an opportunity to try the Trex titanium the other day and they are more 
> comfortable by far.
> Richard
>  
> 
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
>  
> 
> On Apr 6, 2019, at 7:36 AM, Michael Feir  wrote:
> 
> That's the main thing to realise about bone conduction. You're never going to 
> get the same richness of sound that you would from earbuds or headphones. The 
> upside is that you can't really damage your hearing with them since the sound 
> goes through your skull. They're ideal for reading a book or listening to GPS 
> instructions while walking so you can still hear your surroundings normally 
> with your ears. They also don't interfere with hearing aids which is a plus 
> in my case. One major minus is that I find the microphone in the Trekz 
> Titanium leaves much to be desired. I would never do a recording with it. You 
> can be understood by Siri and on phone calls but it's an area where I'd like 
> some improvement. I don't regret my backing of the Trekz Titaniums when they 
> came out and will upgrade to whatever the current generation of Aftershokz is 
> when these ones fail. Aftershokz customer service and warranty has been very 
> good and they quickly replaced a set which broke without fuss.
>  
> On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 10:11 AM Larry Lumpkin  wrote:
> I love my treks titanium. I didn’t buy them for music but they’re just fine 
> for gps navigation instructions.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 9:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; R Van Lant 
> Subject: Re: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected
>  
> I have a pair of Aftershokz Trekz Titaniums, and I love them. They're my go 
> to headphones now. I find them super comfortable and the sound quality is 
> much better then the Aftershokz Bluez which they replaced. I can see where 
> volume might be a problem if you're in a really noisy environment, but I'm 
> able to crank the volume up enough when I'm in the car and there's quite a 
> bit a road noise.
> 
>  
> 
> On 4/6/19 8:56 AM, R Van Lant wrote:
> Hi,
> I’m looking for input from those who have used bone conduction headphones.  I 
> recently ordered my first  pair from Mystic Access after hearing a podcast on 
> them.  I had been considering this purchase for a while because my ears have 
> been feeling sensitive to having earbuds directly  in my ears.   I naively 
> thought that there really was something special to how the sound was 
> conducted, but my experience with these is similar to years ago when I used 
> to place my over the head padded headphones just in front of my ears and turn 
> up the volume.  I am actually finding that the volume on these is not loud 
> enough to hear when I’m walking along a traffic filled road.  Is  my 
> experience similar to yours?  At this point, I’m really not finding them 
> worth the investment and glad I did not spend more on aftershokz.  My ears 
> have just felt so sensitive to earbuds and I’m concerned about damaging my 
> hearing when I listened to stuff in noisy areas. 
>  
> Robin
>  
>  
>  
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RE: Keyboard/case for new Ipad mini

[Robert Wright]

I would suggest looking at what Logitech has. I have a mini and the keyboard 
that comes with it has a slot the iPad mini fits into and when its closed it 
resembles a netbook.


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From: 'ChalmersAS' via VIPhone
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 1:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Keyboard/case for new Ipad mini

Hi

I am considering buying the new mini and I’ve never had an ipad before.

Any advice on the best sort of keyboard/case would be welcome. Is it best to go 
for the Apple one, or are other options any good?

Thanks in advance

Adrienne

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RE: Any trouble moving apps?

[Karen Poulakos]

Wow!  That is so much easier.  I’m using my new SE, with the latest IOS update. 
 There are some apps on this phone that were not on my 5S, and because I don’t 
know if I’ll ever use them, I want to move them into a folder to clean up my 
screen a bit.

 

Thanks so much for the help.

 

Karen

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 11:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any trouble moving apps?

 

If you still do the double tap and hold followed by dragging the app  you are 
doing it the hard way. I assume you are at least on iOS 9 or 10, not actually 
sure any more when the easy was introduced, but all you have to do when you are 
on an app you want to move is to swipe down or up with one finger where 
Voiceover says “Editing Mode”, then double tap, Voiceover says “started 
editing”. This basically replaces the double tap and hold.

Next swipe down twice to “drag” followed by the name of the app you want to 
move and double tap.

Now go to where you want to put the app whether it’s in a different position on 
the home screen, a different home screen or a folder. Put focus on the folder 
or another app and swipe down again, you now have the following options:

 

Drop AppName before AppName (or FolderName) (the first AppName is the app you 
are dragging, the second is the app or folder you are on.

Swipe down again and you have Drop AppName after whatever app or folder you are 
on

Swipe down again and if you put focus on a folder you hear “Drop AppName in 
whatever folder you are on.

Whichever option you want to do, drop before, drop after or drop in a folder, 
just double tap when you get there and that’s it.

 

Regards,

Sieghard 

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Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

[Russ Kiehne]

Here is a podcast from Applevisdemoing voice dream scanner
https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/applevispodcast1225.mp3

From: Dianne B Phelps 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 7:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

First of all, I was not impressed with the NFB Technology explanation as to why 
KNFB Reader has fallen so far behind in terms of its ability. I suspect Dr. 
Kurzweil may be retiring from the scene somewhat as he well deserves and NFB is 
fiddling around with things instead of tending to business. Won’t further 
speculate on that.

 

I do have a couple of questions about Voice Dream Scanner. First of all must 
you absolutely have to have the stand to use it or can you free-hand hold the 
phone as I have managed for years with the KNFB products? Secondly, will the 
scanner, Voice Dream Scanner, read the document you have taken a picture of as 
I do with my mail and then begin reading or do I absolutely have to get the 
document into their reader app in order to read? Frankly, all of what sounds 
like a good bit of document manipulation absolutely overwhelms me. I need to be 
able to take the picture and get the stuff read and am not sure I have the 
patience to have to go into something else, dig around for the document and 
maybe get it read. This stuff is absolutely boggling my mind.

 

When I looked at your video the other day, Richard, I really could not hear 
your demonstration well nor could I hear to understand the speech as it read 
the document after which extra steps you had to take to get it to read.

 

Sorry, it’s old lady ears and not quite understanding all the steps. KNFB and 
Seeing AI are simple. They just don’t work consistently.

 

I have been a Kurzweil reader since the first home version personal reader in 
the early 1990’s and have followed his technology all the way through. I have 
had good luck with it until the last year or two since they are no longer doing 
updates and keeping the product up to date. Also had a device called the Read 
EZ Move which GW Micro sold for a while which was really terrific too. It was a 
device from England, but mine just went out a few months ago and it is not 
manufactured  nor can it be repaired any longer. So, I am feeling kind of 
desperate  to find something which will make reading easier once again. 

 

Thanks for further information, and NFB needs to get back on the stick. How 
dare they treat Dr. Kurzweil’s product and work like this. If they aren’t going 
to do it, someone needs to step up to the plate and get it done though with all 
the R&D bellaching excuses,, I doubt it will happen where it is now. It’s a 
real shame, and I am not a happy long-time user.

 

Smiles to all,

 

Dianne and the Fur Crew

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Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

[kitty hevener]

how does the free hand scan and read work compared to that in seeing ai?  With 
seein ai, it takes me forever to get all four corners of a page focused well 
enough for the ap to take a pic and read it.  

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 10:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?


Diane, 
Sorry about the volume and speed on the demo.
But, as others have said, you can use the app free hand just fine. I only used 
the stand for the demo so I could do a true comparison and not have phone 
position be an issue.
Also, you can set it to read automatically.
When it is done reading, you can re-read it by hitting the play button again.
But, the Voice Dream Scanner does not do document management, so if you don't 
clear the scanner, the next scan will be added to the previous one.



It sounds like you do not plan on saving documents, just reading them and 
moving on.
This will work great for you.
Richard



The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker




On Apr 6, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:


  It can be used as a stand alone product.

  Andy

- Original Message - 
From: Dianne B Phelps 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 7:19 PM
Subject: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

First of all, I was not impressed with the NFB Technology explanation as to 
why KNFB Reader has fallen so far behind in terms of its ability. I suspect Dr. 
Kurzweil may be retiring from the scene somewhat as he well deserves and NFB is 
fiddling around with things instead of tending to business. Won’t further 
speculate on that.

 

I do have a couple of questions about Voice Dream Scanner. First of all 
must you absolutely have to have the stand to use it or can you free-hand hold 
the phone as I have managed for years with the KNFB products? Secondly, will 
the scanner, Voice Dream Scanner, read the document you have taken a picture of 
as I do with my mail and then begin reading or do I absolutely have to get the 
document into their reader app in order to read? Frankly, all of what sounds 
like a good bit of document manipulation absolutely overwhelms me. I need to be 
able to take the picture and get the stuff read and am not sure I have the 
patience to have to go into something else, dig around for the document and 
maybe get it read. This stuff is absolutely boggling my mind.

 

When I looked at your video the other day, Richard, I really could not hear 
your demonstration well nor could I hear to understand the speech as it read 
the document after which extra steps you had to take to get it to read.

 

Sorry, it’s old lady ears and not quite understanding all the steps. KNFB 
and Seeing AI are simple. They just don’t work consistently.

 

I have been a Kurzweil reader since the first home version personal reader 
in the early 1990’s and have followed his technology all the way through. I 
have had good luck with it until the last year or two since they are no longer 
doing updates and keeping the product up to date. Also had a device called the 
Read EZ Move which GW Micro sold for a while which was really terrific too. It 
was a device from England, but mine just went out a few months ago and it is 
not manufactured  nor can it be repaired any longer. So, I am feeling kind of 
desperate  to find something which will make reading easier once again. 

 

Thanks for further information, and NFB needs to get back on the stick. How 
dare they treat Dr. Kurzweil’s product and work like this. If they aren’t going 
to do it, someone needs to step up to the plate and get it done though with all 
the R&D bellaching excuses,, I doubt it will happen where it is now. It’s a 
real shame, and I am not a happy long-time user.

 

Smiles to all,

 

Dianne and the Fur Crew

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RE: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

[Richard Turner]

It works much easier.  Russ Keen posted a link to a podcast by Thomas Donville 
from Applevis.com which goes into a little more detail than my quick one.  I’m 
going to post information from my web site on Voice Dream Reader and Scanner 
and the link to Thomas’s podcast shortly.

Richard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 8:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

how does the free hand scan and read work compared to that in seeing ai?  With 
seein ai, it takes me forever to get all four corners of a page focused well 
enough for the ap to take a pic and read it.

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 10:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?


Diane,
Sorry about the volume and speed on the demo.
But, as others have said, you can use the app free hand just fine. I only used 
the stand for the demo so I could do a true comparison and not have phone 
position be an issue.
Also, you can set it to read automatically.
When it is done reading, you can re-read it by hitting the play button again.
But, the Voice Dream Scanner does not do document management, so if you don't 
clear the scanner, the next scan will be added to the previous one.



It sounds like you do not plan on saving documents, just reading them and 
moving on.
This will work great for you.
Richard


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker



On Apr 6, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Andy Baracco 
mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:
It can be used as a stand alone product.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: Dianne B Phelps
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 7:19 PM
Subject: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

First of all, I was not impressed with the NFB Technology explanation as to why 
KNFB Reader has fallen so far behind in terms of its ability. I suspect Dr. 
Kurzweil may be retiring from the scene somewhat as he well deserves and NFB is 
fiddling around with things instead of tending to business. Won’t further 
speculate on that.

I do have a couple of questions about Voice Dream Scanner. First of all must 
you absolutely have to have the stand to use it or can you free-hand hold the 
phone as I have managed for years with the KNFB products? Secondly, will the 
scanner, Voice Dream Scanner, read the document you have taken a picture of as 
I do with my mail and then begin reading or do I absolutely have to get the 
document into their reader app in order to read? Frankly, all of what sounds 
like a good bit of document manipulation absolutely overwhelms me. I need to be 
able to take the picture and get the stuff read and am not sure I have the 
patience to have to go into something else, dig around for the document and 
maybe get it read. This stuff is absolutely boggling my mind.

When I looked at your video the other day, Richard, I really could not hear 
your demonstration well nor could I hear to understand the speech as it read 
the document after which extra steps you had to take to get it to read.

Sorry, it’s old lady ears and not quite understanding all the steps. KNFB and 
Seeing AI are simple. They just don’t work consistently.

I have been a Kurzweil reader since the first home version personal reader in 
the early 1990’s and have followed his technology all the way through. I have 
had good luck with it until the last year or two since they are no longer doing 
updates and keeping the product up to date. Also had a device called the Read 
EZ Move which GW Micro sold for a while which was really terrific too. It was a 
device from England, but mine just went out a few months ago and it is not 
manufactured  nor can it be repaired any longer. So, I am feeling kind of 
desperate  to find something which will make reading easier once again.

Thanks for further information, and NFB needs to get back on the stick. How 
dare they treat Dr. Kurzweil’s product and work like this. If they aren’t going 
to do it, someone needs to step up to the plate and get it done though with all 
the R&D bellaching excuses,, I doubt it will happen where it is now. It’s a 
real shame, and I am not a happy long-time user.

Smiles to all,

Dianne and the Fur Crew
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FW: Voice Dream Reader, Scanner, Podcast, and new Voice Dream Products list subscription Email

[Richard Turner]

Voice Dream Reader version 4 - Text to Speech, $14.99

I highly recommend this app for reading Bookshare books. Also gives access to 
Dropbox files, Project Gutenberg books, web pages, Word files, PDF files, and 
more. You can select your default voice, you get one Acapella voice free with 
the app. You also have access to all the languages of the built-in voiceover 
voices. You can purchase other voices from Acapella, Neo Speech and Ivona. 
*Note: you cannot read books made for a specific format like iBooks, Nook, 
Kindel, etc. However, with Kindle books, there is a PC utility you can use to 
convert Kindle books so they can be read using Voice Dream Reader, see Codex 
below.
Voice Dream Reader in the App 
Store

Voice Dream Scanner by Voice Dream LLC., $5.99

winston Chen, who developed Voice Dream Reader and Writer, has developed an OCR 
Scanner that is better than any other OCR app on the market, bar none! You can 
save documents as PDF or text, though the PDF is fabulous because it retains 
the formatting, graphics, and is completely accessible with a screen reader.

If you turn on Edge Detection and auto Capture, and hold the iPhone steady, it 
will capture the image automatically. I have tested it free-hand and wiht the 
Fopydo scanning Stand. It is amazing. It completely out performs KNFB Reader
You can use a batch mode and process all the pages when you are done, or save 
the first page and then continue adding pages to that scan.
The Scanner can be used as a stand-alone app or in conjunction with Voice Dream 
reader.
Be sure and update Voice Dream Reader because there is an option to add 
documents to whichever folder you are in directly from within Voice Dream 
Reader by using the scanner.
The Scanner app uses the Voice Dream voices that you already have, or you can 
use any of the iOS voices.
Voice Dream Scanner on the App 
Store
AppleVis Podcast on Voice Dream Scanner

Thomas Donville has done a thorough podcast on Voice Dream Scanner. You can 
listen to it at the following link:
Voice Dream Scanner 
Podcast

Voice Dream Products Email list

If you want a list dedicated to discussing all Voice Dream LLC. products, click 
on the following link to send an Email to: Subscribe to Voice Dream Products 
discussion list



Richard


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Re: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

[Christopher Chaltain]

No need to guess, since it's right on the Aftershokz web site. The 
sizing chart let's you determine if you need the Trekz Titaniums or the 
Trekz Titanium Minis. 
https://aftershokz.com/collections/all/products/trekz-titanium



On 4/7/19 6:33 AM, Cristobal Munoz wrote:
I’m pretty sure there is a sizing chart one can use to buy different 
sizes with. I’ve got a fairly big noggin at 7 3/8 inches, so for fit, 
it’s not an issue for me. I don’t recall personally using a chart, so 
maybe the bigger size is the default. I do recall other people 
mentioning it though. This would only make sense since women use them 
as well.



On Apr 6, 2019, at 9:57 PM, Sieghard Weitzel > wrote:


I recently bought the Trekz Titanium Air which I like, but I am not 
100% happy with how there is a non-adjustable band or whatever you 
want to call it behind your head. For me it’s wway to big and if I 
push it further up my head where it’s lying against my head then it 
doesn’t really stay there during walking.


*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> *On 
Behalf Of *Richard Turner

*Sent:* Saturday, April 6, 2019 8:21 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

The volume will never be loud enough when walking in noisy traffic.

That is the only downside to having your ears uncovered, which of 
course, is also the upside to using bone conduction.


If you need the gps info while in noisy areas, there really isn't a 
good solution.


If you just want info while hearing your surroundings they are fine.

I will say as someone who has not been able to where the previous 
Aftershokz, I had an opportunity to try the Trex titanium the other 
day and they are more comfortable by far.


Richard

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they 
don't have any." -- Alice Walker



On Apr 6, 2019, at 7:36 AM, Michael Feir > wrote:


That's the main thing to realise about bone conduction. You're
never going to get the same richness of sound that you would from
earbuds or headphones. The upside is that you can't really damage
your hearing with them since the sound goes through your skull.
They're ideal for reading a book or listening to GPS instructions
while walking so you can still hear your surroundings normally
with your ears. They also don't interfere with hearing aids which
is a plus in my case. One major minus is that I find the
microphone in the Trekz Titanium leaves much to be desired. I
would never do a recording with it. You can be understood by Siri
and on phone calls but it's an area where I'd like some
improvement. I don't regret my backing of the Trekz Titaniums
when they came out and will upgrade to whatever the current
generation of Aftershokz is when these ones fail. Aftershokz
customer service and warranty has been very good and they quickly
replaced a set which broke without fuss.

On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 10:11 AM Larry Lumpkin
mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>> wrote:

I love my treks titanium. I didn’t buy them for music but
they’re just fine for gps navigation instructions.

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> *On Behalf Of *Christopher
Chaltain
*Sent:* Saturday, April 6, 2019 9:03 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
; R Van Lant
mailto:vanlant2...@msn.com>>
*Subject:* Re: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

I have a pair of Aftershokz Trekz Titaniums, and I love them.
They're my go to headphones now. I find them super
comfortable and the sound quality is much better then the
Aftershokz Bluez which they replaced. I can see where volume
might be a problem if you're in a really noisy environment,
but I'm able to crank the volume up enough when I'm in the
car and there's quite a bit a road noise.

On 4/6/19 8:56 AM, R Van Lant wrote:

Hi,

I’m looking for input from those who have used bone
conduction headphones.  I recently ordered my first  pair
from Mystic Access after hearing a podcast on them.  I
had been considering this purchase for a while because my
ears have been feeling sensitive to having earbuds
directly  in my ears.   I naively thought that there
really was something special to how the sound was
conducted, but my experience with these is similar to
years ago when I used to place my over the head padded
headphones just in front of my ears and turn up the
volume.  I am actually finding that the volume on these
is not lo

Re: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

[Christopher Chaltain]

Sometimes the supplied ear plugs are exactly what we want. True, the 
reason to get bone conduction headphones is to hear ambient sounds, but 
there are times, when even a blind person want some passive noise 
cancellation. providing the ear plugs makes the Trekz Titaniums just a 
bit more versatile in my opinion, which is a good thing, especially when 
people can't afford multiple headphones.




On 4/6/19 11:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


Yes, but I find the point where they are vibrating not pleasant and in 
a place where it is really loud that still isn’t enough. The point is 
that as soon as you plug up your ears and shut out the ambient noise 
you can hear them just fine and mine in fact came with a little 
plastic box with a set of foam earplugs, but of course for us blind 
folks that is exactly what we don’t want.


*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Andy Baracco

*Sent:* Saturday, April 6, 2019 1:29 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

perhaps you are not placing the transducers properly.  i have the 
Trekz Airs and have also had the previous models.  They can get very 
loud, in fact, they can get to the point where they are vibrating on 
your head.  Also, you may need to turn up the source volume.


Andy

- Original Message -

*From:*Mich Verrier 

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com 

*Sent:*Saturday, April 06, 2019 7:15 AM

*Subject:*RE: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

Hi Robin. I have a pair of aftershocks. They were the first pair
that I got years ago when they first came out. And what you
describe is what I have exspearinced as well. In this case the
aftershocks that I have go around the back of your neck and rest
below the ears. As you said I agree the volume is not lowd enough
to hear when walking in noisy places but I am not one to wair ear
buds or ear phones wile out walking anyways. I hope this helps.
From Mich.

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On
Behalf Of *R Van Lant
*Sent:* April 6, 2019 9:57 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

Hi,

I’m looking for input from those who have used bone conduction
headphones.  I recently ordered my first  pair from Mystic Access
after hearing a podcast on them.  I had been considering this
purchase for a while because my ears have been feeling sensitive
to having earbuds directly  in my ears.   I naively thought that
there really was something special to how the sound was conducted,
but my experience with these is similar to years ago when I used
to place my over the head padded headphones just in front of my
ears and turn up the volume.  I am actually finding that the
volume on these is not loud enough to hear when I’m walking along
a traffic filled road.  Is  my experience similar to yours?  At
this point, I’m really not finding them worth the investment and
glad I did not spend more on aftershokz.  My ears have just felt
so sensitive to earbuds and I’m concerned about damaging my
hearing when I listened to stuff in noisy areas.

Robin

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Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

[kitty hevener]

I appologize, just looked at subject line and realize I communicated the wrong 
thing for people who skim like me.  My question is below this.  Thoughts on 
scanning with vds compared to seeing ai?

From: kitty hevener 
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

how does the free hand scan and read work compared to that in seeing ai?  With 
seein ai, it takes me forever to get all four corners of a page focused well 
enough for the ap to take a pic and read it.  

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 10:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?


Diane, 
Sorry about the volume and speed on the demo.
But, as others have said, you can use the app free hand just fine. I only used 
the stand for the demo so I could do a true comparison and not have phone 
position be an issue.
Also, you can set it to read automatically.
When it is done reading, you can re-read it by hitting the play button again.
But, the Voice Dream Scanner does not do document management, so if you don't 
clear the scanner, the next scan will be added to the previous one.



It sounds like you do not plan on saving documents, just reading them and 
moving on.
This will work great for you.
Richard



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any." -- Alice Walker




On Apr 6, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:


  It can be used as a stand alone product.

  Andy

- Original Message - 
From: Dianne B Phelps 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 7:19 PM
Subject: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

First of all, I was not impressed with the NFB Technology explanation as to 
why KNFB Reader has fallen so far behind in terms of its ability. I suspect Dr. 
Kurzweil may be retiring from the scene somewhat as he well deserves and NFB is 
fiddling around with things instead of tending to business. Won’t further 
speculate on that.

 

I do have a couple of questions about Voice Dream Scanner. First of all 
must you absolutely have to have the stand to use it or can you free-hand hold 
the phone as I have managed for years with the KNFB products? Secondly, will 
the scanner, Voice Dream Scanner, read the document you have taken a picture of 
as I do with my mail and then begin reading or do I absolutely have to get the 
document into their reader app in order to read? Frankly, all of what sounds 
like a good bit of document manipulation absolutely overwhelms me. I need to be 
able to take the picture and get the stuff read and am not sure I have the 
patience to have to go into something else, dig around for the document and 
maybe get it read. This stuff is absolutely boggling my mind.

 

When I looked at your video the other day, Richard, I really could not hear 
your demonstration well nor could I hear to understand the speech as it read 
the document after which extra steps you had to take to get it to read.

 

Sorry, it’s old lady ears and not quite understanding all the steps. KNFB 
and Seeing AI are simple. They just don’t work consistently.

 

I have been a Kurzweil reader since the first home version personal reader 
in the early 1990’s and have followed his technology all the way through. I 
have had good luck with it until the last year or two since they are no longer 
doing updates and keeping the product up to date. Also had a device called the 
Read EZ Move which GW Micro sold for a while which was really terrific too. It 
was a device from England, but mine just went out a few months ago and it is 
not manufactured  nor can it be repaired any longer. So, I am feeling kind of 
desperate  to find something which will make reading easier once again. 

 

Thanks for further information, and NFB needs to get back on the stick. How 
dare they treat Dr. Kurzweil’s product and work like this. If they aren’t going 
to do it, someone needs to step up to the plate and get it done though with all 
the R&D bellaching excuses,, I doubt it will happen where it is now. It’s a 
real shame, and I am not a happy long-time user.

 

Smiles to all,

 

Dianne and the Fur Crew

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Re: Voice Dream Reader, Scanner, Podcast, and new Voice Dream Products list subscription Email

[TaraPrakash]

Have you guys  tried to scan a book and if so how does the scanner handle two 
pages of the book?  I don’t think there is an option for column detection but 
I’m sure it will be coming soon. 
Impressive app regardless


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2019, at 11:26 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Voice Dream Reader version 4 - Text to Speech, $14.99
> 
> I highly recommend this app for reading Bookshare books. Also gives access to 
> Dropbox files, Project Gutenberg books, web pages, Word files, PDF files, and 
> more. You can select your default voice, you get one Acapella voice free with 
> the app. You also have access to all the languages of the built-in voiceover 
> voices. You can purchase other voices from Acapella, Neo Speech and Ivona. 
> *Note: you cannot read books made for a specific format like iBooks, Nook, 
> Kindel, etc. However, with Kindle books, there is a PC utility you can use to 
> convert Kindle books so they can be read using Voice Dream Reader, see Codex 
> below.
> Voice Dream Reader in the App Store
> 
> Voice Dream Scanner by Voice Dream LLC., $5.99
> 
> winston Chen, who developed Voice Dream Reader and Writer, has developed an 
> OCR Scanner that is better than any other OCR app on the market, bar none! 
> You can save documents as PDF or text, though the PDF is fabulous because it 
> retains the formatting, graphics, and is completely accessible with a screen 
> reader.
> 
> If you turn on Edge Detection and auto Capture, and hold the iPhone steady, 
> it will capture the image automatically. I have tested it free-hand and wiht 
> the Fopydo scanning Stand. It is amazing. It completely out performs KNFB 
> Reader
> You can use a batch mode and process all the pages when you are done, or save 
> the first page and then continue adding pages to that scan.
> The Scanner can be used as a stand-alone app or in conjunction with Voice 
> Dream reader.
> Be sure and update Voice Dream Reader because there is an option to add 
> documents to whichever folder you are in directly from within Voice Dream 
> Reader by using the scanner.
> The Scanner app uses the Voice Dream voices that you already have, or you can 
> use any of the iOS voices.
> 
> Voice Dream Scanner on the App Store
> AppleVis Podcast on Voice Dream Scanner
> 
> Thomas Donville has done a thorough podcast on Voice Dream Scanner. You can 
> listen to it at the following link:
> Voice Dream Scanner Podcast
> 
> Voice Dream Products Email list
> 
> If you want a list dedicated to discussing all Voice Dream LLC. products, 
> click on the following link to send an Email to: Subscribe to Voice Dream 
> Products discussion list
> 
>  
> 
> Richard
> 
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RE: Voice Dream Reader, Scanner, Podcast, and new Voice Dream Products list subscription Email

[Richard Turner]

It does not separate pages.
I’d encourage folks who would like to see this feature write Winston Chen 
directly and also subscribe to the new Voice Dream Products list.
Winston is a member of that list.
His direct email is wins...@voicedream.com
The subscription info is on the UseFulApps page of my web site.
Richard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
TaraPrakash
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 9:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader, Scanner, Podcast, and new Voice Dream Products 
list subscription Email

Have you guys  tried to scan a book and if so how does the scanner handle two 
pages of the book?  I don’t think there is an option for column detection but 
I’m sure it will be coming soon.
Impressive app regardless

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 7, 2019, at 11:26 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Voice Dream Reader version 4 - Text to Speech, $14.99

I highly recommend this app for reading Bookshare books. Also gives access to 
Dropbox files, Project Gutenberg books, web pages, Word files, PDF files, and 
more. You can select your default voice, you get one Acapella voice free with 
the app. You also have access to all the languages of the built-in voiceover 
voices. You can purchase other voices from Acapella, Neo Speech and Ivona. 
*Note: you cannot read books made for a specific format like iBooks, Nook, 
Kindel, etc. However, with Kindle books, there is a PC utility you can use to 
convert Kindle books so they can be read using Voice Dream Reader, see Codex 
below.
Voice Dream Reader in the App 
Store

Voice Dream Scanner by Voice Dream LLC., $5.99

winston Chen, who developed Voice Dream Reader and Writer, has developed an OCR 
Scanner that is better than any other OCR app on the market, bar none! You can 
save documents as PDF or text, though the PDF is fabulous because it retains 
the formatting, graphics, and is completely accessible with a screen reader.

If you turn on Edge Detection and auto Capture, and hold the iPhone steady, it 
will capture the image automatically. I have tested it free-hand and wiht the 
Fopydo scanning Stand. It is amazing. It completely out performs KNFB Reader
You can use a batch mode and process all the pages when you are done, or save 
the first page and then continue adding pages to that scan.
The Scanner can be used as a stand-alone app or in conjunction with Voice Dream 
reader.
Be sure and update Voice Dream Reader because there is an option to add 
documents to whichever folder you are in directly from within Voice Dream 
Reader by using the scanner.
The Scanner app uses the Voice Dream voices that you already have, or you can 
use any of the iOS voices.
Voice Dream Scanner on the App 
Store
AppleVis Podcast on Voice Dream Scanner

Thomas Donville has done a thorough podcast on Voice Dream Scanner. You can 
listen to it at the following link:
Voice Dream Scanner 
Podcast

Voice Dream Products Email list

If you want a list dedicated to discussing all Voice Dream LLC. products, click 
on the following link to send an Email to: Subscribe to Voice Dream Products 
discussion list



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RE: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

[Richard Turner]

Kitty,
It is easier to use Voice Dream Scanner.
Thomas Donville has done a podcast that is a little more thorough than my 
quickish demo.

https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/applevispodcast1225.mp3

Richard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 9:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

I appologize, just looked at subject line and realize I communicated the wrong 
thing for people who skim like me.  My question is below this.  Thoughts on 
scanning with vds compared to seeing ai?

From: kitty hevener
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

how does the free hand scan and read work compared to that in seeing ai?  With 
seein ai, it takes me forever to get all four corners of a page focused well 
enough for the ap to take a pic and read it.

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 10:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?


Diane,
Sorry about the volume and speed on the demo.
But, as others have said, you can use the app free hand just fine. I only used 
the stand for the demo so I could do a true comparison and not have phone 
position be an issue.
Also, you can set it to read automatically.
When it is done reading, you can re-read it by hitting the play button again.
But, the Voice Dream Scanner does not do document management, so if you don't 
clear the scanner, the next scan will be added to the previous one.



It sounds like you do not plan on saving documents, just reading them and 
moving on.
This will work great for you.
Richard


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any." -- Alice Walker



On Apr 6, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Andy Baracco 
mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:
It can be used as a stand alone product.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: Dianne B Phelps
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 7:19 PM
Subject: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

First of all, I was not impressed with the NFB Technology explanation as to why 
KNFB Reader has fallen so far behind in terms of its ability. I suspect Dr. 
Kurzweil may be retiring from the scene somewhat as he well deserves and NFB is 
fiddling around with things instead of tending to business. Won’t further 
speculate on that.

I do have a couple of questions about Voice Dream Scanner. First of all must 
you absolutely have to have the stand to use it or can you free-hand hold the 
phone as I have managed for years with the KNFB products? Secondly, will the 
scanner, Voice Dream Scanner, read the document you have taken a picture of as 
I do with my mail and then begin reading or do I absolutely have to get the 
document into their reader app in order to read? Frankly, all of what sounds 
like a good bit of document manipulation absolutely overwhelms me. I need to be 
able to take the picture and get the stuff read and am not sure I have the 
patience to have to go into something else, dig around for the document and 
maybe get it read. This stuff is absolutely boggling my mind.

When I looked at your video the other day, Richard, I really could not hear 
your demonstration well nor could I hear to understand the speech as it read 
the document after which extra steps you had to take to get it to read.

Sorry, it’s old lady ears and not quite understanding all the steps. KNFB and 
Seeing AI are simple. They just don’t work consistently.

I have been a Kurzweil reader since the first home version personal reader in 
the early 1990’s and have followed his technology all the way through. I have 
had good luck with it until the last year or two since they are no longer doing 
updates and keeping the product up to date. Also had a device called the Read 
EZ Move which GW Micro sold for a while which was really terrific too. It was a 
device from England, but mine just went out a few months ago and it is not 
manufactured  nor can it be repaired any longer.

Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

[kitty hevener]

Richard, thanks.  Will check it out.  Btw, I have been to ur site and really 
like it.  I think you have done an outstanding job of pulling resource 
information and made it all easy to find.  Thank you for great service to us.  

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 1:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

Kitty,

It is easier to use Voice Dream Scanner.

Thomas Donville has done a podcast that is a little more thorough than my 
quickish demo.

 

https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/applevispodcast1225.mp3

 

Richard

 

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flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 9:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

 

I appologize, just looked at subject line and realize I communicated the wrong 
thing for people who skim like me.  My question is below this.  Thoughts on 
scanning with vds compared to seeing ai?

 

From: kitty hevener 

Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 11:00 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

 

how does the free hand scan and read work compared to that in seeing ai?  With 
seein ai, it takes me forever to get all four corners of a page focused well 
enough for the ap to take a pic and read it.  

 

From: Richard Turner 

Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 10:58 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

 

 

Diane, 

Sorry about the volume and speed on the demo.

But, as others have said, you can use the app free hand just fine. I only used 
the stand for the demo so I could do a true comparison and not have phone 
position be an issue.

Also, you can set it to read automatically.

When it is done reading, you can re-read it by hitting the play button again.

But, the Voice Dream Scanner does not do document management, so if you don't 
clear the scanner, the next scan will be added to the previous one.

 

 

 

It sounds like you do not plan on saving documents, just reading them and 
moving on.

This will work great for you.

Richard

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker

 


On Apr 6, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:

  It can be used as a stand alone product.

   

  Andy

   

- Original Message - 

From: Dianne B Phelps 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 7:19 PM

Subject: Voice Dream Scanner versus KNFB question?

 

First of all, I was not impressed with the NFB Technology explanation as to 
why KNFB Reader has fallen so far behind in terms of its ability. I suspect Dr. 
Kurzweil may be retiring from the scene somewhat as he well deserves and NFB is 
fiddling around with things instead of tending to business. Won’t further 
speculate on that.

 

I do have a couple of questions about Voice Dream Scanner. First of all 
must you absolutely have to have the stand to use it or can you free-hand hold 
the phone as I have managed for years with the KNFB products? Secondly, will 
the scanner, Voice Dream Scanner, read the document you have taken a picture of 
as I do with my mail and then begin reading or do I absolutely have to get the 
document into their reader app in order to read? Frankly, all of what sounds 
like a good bit of document manipulation absolutely overwhelms me. I need to be 
able to take the picture and get the stuff read and am not sure I have the 
patience to have to go into something else, dig around for the document and 
maybe get it read. This stuff is absolutely boggling my mind.

 

When I looked at your video the other day, Richard, I really could not hear 
your demonstration well nor could I hear to understand the speech as it read 
the document after which extra steps you had to take to get it to read.

 

Sorry, it’s old lady ears and not quite understanding all the steps. KNFB 
and Seeing AI are simple. They just don’t work consistently.

 

I have been a Kurzweil reader since the first home version personal reader 
in the early 1990’s and have followed his technology all the way through. I 
have had good luck with it until the last year or two since they are no longer 
doing updates and keeping the product up to date. Also had a device called the 
Read EZ Move which GW Micro sold for a while which was really terrific too. It 
was a device from England, but mine just went out a few months ago and it is 
not manufactured  nor can it be repaired any longer. So, I am feeling kind o

RE: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

['deidre muccio' via VIPhone]

When I hit on the link 
https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/applevispodcast1225.mp3 

 

 this is what I got. 


This web page could not be loaded.


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Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

[Richard Turner]

what browser were you using
That is the link Russ Keen had sent out and it worked for me with Safari on my 
iPhone and Firefox on my computer.
Richard


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When I hit on the link 
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Fwd: [VoiceDreamProducts] voice Dream Scanner update in app store

[Richard Turner]

Voice Dream Scanner, Today, - Fixed bug of language always set to English when 
performing OCR on PDF documents. - Added Magic Tap to start/stop reading. - 
Added option to force scanned documents to a specific language. - Added option 
to show plain text rather than image after OCR. - Auto capture is turned off 
when saving. - Added rotor actions for scanned pages. - Play-Pause button can 
now rewind and fast forward with VoiceOver as it does in Voice Dream Reader., 
Version 1.1.0 • 62.3 MB



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Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

[Kathy Brandt]

I get the same error, using Safari on my iPod.

> On Apr 7, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> what browser were you using
> That is the link Russ Keen had sent out and it worked for me with Safari on 
> my iPhone and Firefox on my computer.
> Richard
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> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
> 
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> 
> 
> On Apr 7, 2019, at 11:43 AM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
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>> This web page could not be loaded.
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Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

[Andy Baracco]

The same thing happened to me, so i went to www.applevis.com and downloaded the 
podcast from there.

Andy

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  When I hit on the link 
https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/applevispodcast1225.mp3

   this is what I got. 

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Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

[Richard Turner]

I just had the same issue, so I did what Andy did. Then, copied this link from 
Safari:
https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/applevispodcast1225.mp3



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On Apr 7, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Andy Baracco 
mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote:

The same thing happened to me, so i went to 
www.applevis.com
 and downloaded the podcast from there.

Andy

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

When I hit on the link 
https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/applevispodcast1225.mp3
 this is what I got.
This web page could not be loaded.

Due to an internal error, this web page could not be loaded.

We recommend that you close this page.

Return to 
Outlook

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Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

[Holly]

I brought up the podcast right away with IE and windows media player.

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Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

[Andy Baracco]

i was able to play the podcast using Chrome from the link provided in the 
message, but I wanted to download it to listen later, so I did so from the 
Applevis site.

Andy

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  I brought up the podcast right away with IE and windows media player.

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RE: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The original link provided was correct, but somehow it must have gotten 
corrupted. Keep in mind that if you know the number of an Applevis Podcast, in 
this case 1225, all you have to do to find it quickly is to Google “Applevis 
Podcast 1225”. When I did this the first Google search result took me straight 
to the correct page on the Applevis website. This doesn’t start the Podcast 
playing right away, but using heading quick navigation takes you easily to the 
summary of the Podcast and you then find the link to play the Podcast.
Of course you can also go to the Applevis website since there search feature 
works extremely well, type “Voice Dream Reader” in the search field and then 
you can apply the filter to show only Podcasts where it tells you right away 
there is only 1 result.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

i was able to play the podcast using Chrome from the link provided in the 
message, but I wanted to download it to listen later, so I did so from the 
Applevis site.

Andy

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Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

I brought up the podcast right away with IE and windows media player.
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best app for taking and organizing notes

[Donald Raikes]

Hi,

I am interested in taking short notes 5-10 sentences and essentially
making a set of note cards that I can use to organize thoughts and
track bits of information by date.

Is there a good app other than the obvious notes app?

I would like to be able to save the notecards to icloud drive or
dropbox so I can access them on my computer as well.

Thanks,
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RE: Trekz Sizing - Was: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I ordered the Trekz Titanium Air, a newer and lighter version and at least when 
I ordered it on Amazon there was no option to select a size.


From: 'Bill Gallik' via VIPhone 
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 4:17 AM
To: viPhone 📩 
Subject: Trekz Sizing - Was: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

Sieghard et al,

When I last ordered a set of Trekz Bone Conduction earphones there was an 
option for the size of the headband.  Admittedly, it was not particularly 
granular; but there was at least a large and regular choice.

Has Trekz discontinued this; I am quite satisfied with the large Titaniums I 
ordered several years ago; the very first Trekz I ordered had a too small (for 
me) headband and it cracked within a few weeks.  It would truly be a shame if 
they had decided to discontinue the size option - far more important than the 
several color choices offered.



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On Apr 6, 2019, at 11:57 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I recently bought the Trekz Titanium Air which I like, but I am not 100% happy 
with how there is a non-adjustable band or whatever you want to call it behind 
your head. For me it’s way to big and if I push it further up my head where 
it’s lying against my head then it doesn’t really stay there during walking.

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
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Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected


The volume will never be loud enough when walking in noisy traffic.
That is the only downside to having your ears uncovered, which of course, is 
also the upside to using bone conduction.
If you need the gps info while in noisy areas, there really isn't a good 
solution.
If you just want info while hearing your surroundings they are fine.
I will say as someone who has not been able to where the previous Aftershokz, I 
had an opportunity to try the Trex titanium the other day and they are more 
comfortable by far.
Richard

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On Apr 6, 2019, at 7:36 AM, Michael   
mailto:michael.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:
That's the main thing to realise about bone conduction. You're never going to 
get the same richness of sound that you would from earbuds or headphones. The 
upside is that you can't really damage your hearing with them since the sound 
goes through your skull. They're ideal for reading a book or listening to GPS 
instructions while walking so you can still hear your surroundings normally 
with your ears. They also don't interfere with hearing aids which is a plus in 
my case. One major minus is that I find the microphone in the Trekz Titanium 
leaves much to be desired. I would never do a recording with it. You can be 
understood by Siri and on phone calls but it's an area where I'd like some 
improvement. I don't regret my backing of the Trekz Titaniums when they came 
out and will upgrade to whatever the current generation of Aftershokz is when 
these ones fail. Aftershokz customer service and warranty has been very good 
and they quickly replaced a set which broke without fuss.

On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 10:11 AM Larry Lumpkin 
mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>> wrote:
I love my treks titanium. I didn’t buy them for music but they’re just fine for 
gps navigation instructions.


From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; R Van Lant 
mailto:vanlant2...@msn.com>>
Subject: Re: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

I have a pair of Aftershokz Trekz Titaniums, and I love them. They're my go to 
headphones now. I find them super comfortable and the sound quality is much 
better then the Aftershokz Bluez which they replaced. I can see where volume 
might be a problem if you're in a really noisy environment, but I'm able to 
crank the volume up enough when I'm in the car and there's quite a bit a road 
noise.

On 4/6/19 8:56 AM, R Van Lant wrote:
Hi,
I’m looking for input from those who have used bone conduction headphones.  I 
recently ordered my first  pair from Mystic Access after hearing a podcast on 
them.  I had been considering this purchase for a while because my ears have 
been feeling sensitive to having earbuds directly  in my ears.   I naively 
thought that there really was something special to how the sound was conducted, 
but my experience with these is similar to years ago when I used to place my 
over the head padded headphones just in front of my ears and turn up the 
v

Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?

[Mike B.]

It worked here using IE11.  The link probably wrapped to a 2nd line being 
it's a long URL.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Book: a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the computer repairman!
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From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner versus seeing ai was KNFB question?




what browser were you using
That is the link Russ Keen had sent out and it worked for me with Safari on 
my iPhone and Firefox on my computer.
Richard



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On Apr 7, 2019, at 11:43 AM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
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  When I hit on the link 
https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/applevispodcast1225.mp3

   this is what I got.

  This web page could not be loaded.
  Due to an internal error, this web page could not be loaded.

  We recommend that you close this page.

  Return to Outlook


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Bank America new bill pay function in mobile app

[Terrianne Straw]

Paying bills in Bank America's mobile app used to be so simple and easy.  It 
was recently changed and I can't figure out how to use it. Is anybody else 
using thisnew page?  Thank you so much.

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Re: Bank America new bill pay function in mobile app

[Bobby Druesedow]

It has changed, and is more difficult. I found that I could only swipe through 
about 4 payees, and then it would jump to the bottom of the list. If you will 
do a 3 finger swipe down before you reach the last one in the group then you 
should get to the next group of 4 or 5 payees. I called 800-933-6262 to ask 
about the changes that were made that don't work with VO, and they sent me to a 
department where I spoke with someone who was supposed to get back to me, but 
this was a month or so ago, and I'm still waiting by the phone. I figured out 
the 3 finger swipe thing on my own. HTH 

Sent from my iPod

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Re: Bank America new bill pay function in mobile app

[Richard Turner]

We use too.
My My wife is sighted and she says on the iPad Mini you see about 7 payees, 
while on the iPhone SE, you see maybe 3.
Flicking with one finger doesn't move beyond the first screen with VoiceOver, 
so you do have to do the three finger swipe to scroll the screen.
The good news is that you can now do several payees at once, which I guess is 
progress.
I think I'd prefer that the one finger flicks would continue through the list 
of payees.
Richard
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mailto:bo...@druesedow.com>> wrote:

It has changed, and is more difficult. I found that I could only swipe through 
about 4 payees, and then it would jump to the bottom of the list. If you will 
do a 3 finger swipe down before you reach the last one in the group then you 
should get to the next group of 4 or 5 payees. I called 800-933-6262 to ask 
about the changes that were made that don't work with VO, and they sent me to a 
department where I spoke with someone who was supposed to get back to me, but 
this was a month or so ago, and I'm still waiting by the phone. I figured out 
the 3 finger swipe thing on my own. HTH

Sent from my iPod

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mailto:tkst...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Paying bills in Bank America’s mobile app used to be so simple and easy.  It 
was recently changed and I can’t figure out how to use it. Is anybody else 
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Axon V99 hearing aid: was: Re: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

[Jewel]

Has anyone used one of these aids?  They are very cheap:  only 30$NZ  [21$US]. 
They have a 4.5 rating if the feedback is to be believed.
They are made, specifically:   or that is how I read it:  for amplifying speech.
As it is rare:  well, relatively so:  for me to speak to someone person to 
person/face to face:  I do not want to spend a lot of money, which I have done 
in the past, and I still have to keep asking for my companion to repeat what 
he/she has said:  a constant request which must put a strain on his/her 
patience.
Remarkedly from time to time, I can, clearly, hear very very tiny sounds and on 
my left side too which is my, particularly, bad side.  I will give you an 
example.  A few nights ago, I opened the backdoor and spoke to Guideon, my dog. 
 He was about 5 feet to my left which is my bad side for hearing, but I, 
actually, heard him move a paw and one claw made the faintest click on the 
concrete!!!
It was Deslie, my sister who discovered the Axon v99 on the 'net.  They are not 
available in New Zealand so she has sent off to China where they are 
manufactured.  She says that, at the price, if it turns out to be nothing other 
than a little box of useless junk,, little will be lost if it is tossed into 
the rubbish or recycling bin!

Jewel
From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 4:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected


I recently bought the Trekz Titanium Air which I like, but I am not 100% happy 
with how there is a non-adjustable band or whatever you want to call it behind 
your head. For me it’s wway to big and if I push it further up my head where 
it’s lying against my head then it doesn’t really stay there during walking. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

 

 

The volume will never be loud enough when walking in noisy traffic. 

That is the only downside to having your ears uncovered, which of course, is 
also the upside to using bone conduction.

If you need the gps info while in noisy areas, there really isn't a good 
solution.

If you just want info while hearing your surroundings they are fine.

I will say as someone who has not been able to where the previous Aftershokz, I 
had an opportunity to try the Trex titanium the other day and they are more 
comfortable by far.

Richard

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker

 


On Apr 6, 2019, at 7:36 AM, Michael Feir  wrote:

  That's the main thing to realise about bone conduction. You're never going to 
get the same richness of sound that you would from earbuds or headphones. The 
upside is that you can't really damage your hearing with them since the sound 
goes through your skull. They're ideal for reading a book or listening to GPS 
instructions while walking so you can still hear your surroundings normally 
with your ears. They also don't interfere with hearing aids which is a plus in 
my case. One major minus is that I find the microphone in the Trekz Titanium 
leaves much to be desired. I would never do a recording with it. You can be 
understood by Siri and on phone calls but it's an area where I'd like some 
improvement. I don't regret my backing of the Trekz Titaniums when they came 
out and will upgrade to whatever the current generation of Aftershokz is when 
these ones fail. Aftershokz customer service and warranty has been very good 
and they quickly replaced a set which broke without fuss.

   

  On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 10:11 AM Larry Lumpkin  wrote:

I love my treks titanium. I didn’t buy them for music but they’re just fine 
for gps navigation instructions.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; R Van Lant 
Subject: Re: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

 

I have a pair of Aftershokz Trekz Titaniums, and I love them. They're my go 
to headphones now. I find them super comfortable and the sound quality is much 
better then the Aftershokz Bluez which they replaced. I can see where volume 
might be a problem if you're in a really noisy environment, but I'm able to 
crank the volume up enough when I'm in the car and there's quite a bit a road 
noise.

 

On 4/6/19 8:56 AM, R Van Lant wrote:

  Hi,

  I’m looking for input from those who have used bone conduction 
headphones.  I recently ordered my first  pair from Mystic Access after hearing 
a podcast on them.  I had been considering this purchase for a while because my 
ears have been feeling sensitive to having earbuds directly  in my ears.   I 
naively thought that there really was something special to how the sound was 
conducted, but my experience with these is similar to years ago when

Re: best app for taking and organizing notes

[Richard Turner]

I'm sure EverNote would do that, Voice Dream Writer would for sure, and I 
suspect Meteor Notes and probably a slug of others.
It depends on how much you want to spend and what all you want to do.
The built-in notes app will save to iCloud no problem.
Richard


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in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On Apr 7, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Donald Raikes 
mailto:don.rai...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,

I am interested in taking short notes 5-10 sentences and essentially
making a set of note cards that I can use to organize thoughts and
track bits of information by date.

Is there a good app other than the obvious notes app?

I would like to be able to save the notecards to icloud drive or
dropbox so I can access them on my computer as well.

Thanks,
Don

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Re: Bank America new bill pay function in mobile app

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Richard another Bank of America customers,

I reported this issue at two occasions now to Bank of America staff. In the 
meantime, I have been using Erica to make Bill payments. It actually works 
pretty well. It’s accessible and I’ve been able to make these payments without 
difficulty. I would recommend for now that you try this. Good luck. You have to 
make one payment at a time, but that’s OK with me for now.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2019, at 9:03 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> We use too.
> My My wife is sighted and she says on the iPad Mini you see about 7 payees, 
> while on the iPhone SE, you see maybe 3.
> Flicking with one finger doesn't move beyond the first screen with VoiceOver, 
> so you do have to do the three finger swipe to scroll the screen.
> The good news is that you can now do several payees at once, which I guess is 
> progress.
> I think I'd prefer that the one finger flicks would continue through the list 
> of payees.
> Richard
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> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
> 
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> any." -- Alice Walker
> 
> 
> On Apr 7, 2019, at 4:28 PM, Bobby Druesedow  wrote:
> 
>> It has changed, and is more difficult. I found that I could only swipe 
>> through about 4 payees, and then it would jump to the bottom of the list. If 
>> you will do a 3 finger swipe down before you reach the last one in the group 
>> then you should get to the next group of 4 or 5 payees. I called 
>> 800-933-6262 to ask about the changes that were made that don't work with 
>> VO, and they sent me to a department where I spoke with someone who was 
>> supposed to get back to me, but this was a month or so ago, and I'm still 
>> waiting by the phone. I figured out the 3 finger swipe thing on my own. HTH 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod
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>> On Apr 7, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Terrianne Straw  wrote:
>> 
>>> Paying bills in Bank America’s mobile app used to be so simple and easy.  
>>> It was recently changed and I can’t figure out how to use it. Is anybody 
>>> else using thisnew page?  Thank you so much.
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Voice Dream Scanner.

[Dianne B Phelps]

I did read through some mail this morning but felt that as I worked through
what I had, there may have been a degradation in scan quality after doing
and discarding several documents. I tried closing the program and restarting
and finally got something which identified what I had, but just wondering if
anyone else has noted this. It might have been that I was set up at my
kitchen table and I am personally not as comfortable out there as I am in my
big chair, page in my lap, phone to the center of the document, lifting and
positioning properly to get picture. I will play with it some more. Overall,
impressed and pleased and think it will ultimately be useful until or if NFB
gets things back in action with KNFB Reader.

 

Russ, Thank you as well for that link. That demonstration was clearer to
hear, and I learned a lot of things with the descriptives  there regarding
settings which I can try and work with as well.

 

I am pleased with the purchase. Thanks again for everyone's help.

 

Smiles to all,

 

Dianne and the Fur Crew

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Re: Trekz Sizing - Was: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

[Christopher Chaltain]

The Trekz Air only has one size. Note that they're called Trekz Air and 
not Trekz Titanium Air. The sizing guide is to determine if the Trekz 
Titanium or the Trekz Titanium Mini is the right size for you. I'm not 
sure if it's available on the Amazon pages or not, but it is through 
Aftershokz. I posted the link earlier.



On 4/7/19 4:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


I ordered the Trekz Titanium Air, a newer and lighter version and at 
least when I ordered it on Amazon there was no option to select a size.


*From:* 'Bill Gallik' via VIPhone 
*Sent:* Sunday, April 7, 2019 4:17 AM
*To:* viPhone 📩 
*Subject:* Trekz Sizing - Was: bone conduction headphones - not what I 
expected


Sieghard et al,

When I last ordered a set of Trekz Bone Conduction earphones there was 
an option for the size of the headband.  Admittedly, it was not 
particularly granular; but there was at least a large and regular choice.


Has Trekz discontinued this; I am quite satisfied with the large 
Titaniums I ordered several years ago; the very first Trekz I ordered 
had a too small (for me) headband and it cracked within a few weeks. 
 It would truly be a shame if they had decided to discontinue the size 
option - far more important than the several color choices offered.




- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- "All men are frauds. The only difference between them is that some 
admit it. I myself deny it."

- US Editor and Satirist, H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)

On Apr 6, 2019, at 11:57 PM, Sieghard Weitzel > wrote:


I recently bought the Trekz Titanium Air which I like, but I am not 
100% happy with how there is a non-adjustable band or whatever you 
want to call it behind your head. For me it’s way to big and if I push 
it further up my head where it’s lying against my head then it doesn’t 
really stay there during walking.


*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
>*On Behalf Of*Richard Turner

*Sent:*Saturday, April 6, 2019 8:21 AM
*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:*Re: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

The volume will never be loud enough when walking in noisy traffic.

That is the only downside to having your ears uncovered, which of 
course, is also the upside to using bone conduction.


If you need the gps info while in noisy areas, there really isn't a 
good solution.


If you just want info while hearing your surroundings they are fine.

I will say as someone who has not been able to where the previous 
Aftershokz, I had an opportunity to try the Trex titanium the other 
day and they are more comfortable by far.


Richard

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they 
don't have any." -- Alice Walker



On Apr 6, 2019, at 7:36 AM, Michael   > wrote:


That's the main thing to realise about bone conduction. You're
never going to get the same richness of sound that you would from
earbuds or headphones. The upside is that you can't really damage
your hearing with them since the sound goes through your skull.
They're ideal for reading a book or listening to GPS instructions
while walking so you can still hear your surroundings normally
with your ears. They also don't interfere with hearing aids which
is a plus in my case. One major minus is that I find the
microphone in the Trekz Titanium leaves much to be desired. I
would never do a recording with it. You can be understood by Siri
and on phone calls but it's an area where I'd like some
improvement. I don't regret my backing of the Trekz Titaniums when
they came out and will upgrade to whatever the current generation
of Aftershokz is when these ones fail. Aftershokz customer service
and warranty has been very good and they quickly replaced a set
which broke without fuss.

On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 10:11 AM Larry Lumpkin
mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>> wrote:

I love my treks titanium. I didn’t buy them for music but
they’re just fine for gps navigation instructions.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>*On Behalf Of*Christopher
Chaltain
*Sent:*Saturday, April 6, 2019 9:03 AM
*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com
; R Van Lant
mailto:vanlant2...@msn.com>>
*Subject:*Re: bone conduction headphones - not what I expected

I have a pair of Aftershokz Trekz Titaniums, and I love them.
They're my go to headphones now. I find them super comfortable
and the sound quality is much better then the Aftershokz Bluez
which they replaced. I can see where volume might be a problem
if you're in a really noisy environment, but I'm able to crank
the volume up enough when I'm in the car and there's quite a
bit a ro

RE: Voice Dream Scanner.

[Larry Lumpkin]

I’m doing scans at our diningroom table with no lights on and am getting 
consistently good results.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dianne B 
Phelps
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 9:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voice Dream Scanner.

 

I did read through some mail this morning but felt that as I worked through 
what I had, there may have been a degradation in scan quality after doing and 
discarding several documents. I tried closing the program and restarting and 
finally got something which identified what I had, but just wondering if anyone 
else has noted this. It might have been that I was set up at my kitchen table 
and I am personally not as comfortable out there as I am in my big chair, page 
in my lap, phone to the center of the document, lifting and positioning 
properly to get picture. I will play with it some more. Overall, impressed and 
pleased and think it will ultimately be useful until or if NFB gets things back 
in action with KNFB Reader.

 

Russ, Thank you as well for that link. That demonstration was clearer to hear, 
and I learned a lot of things with the descriptives  there regarding settings 
which I can try and work with as well.

 

I am pleased with the purchase. Thanks again for everyone’s help.

 

Smiles to all,

 

Dianne and the Fur Crew

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an accessible way to manager my Kindle content?

[R Van Lant]

Hi,
I have over 200 books in my Kindle account, many of which I have read or 
started to read and now want to delete  Most of these were free down loads from 
Book Bub daily deals.  I need to clear them out because I simply have too many 
and am juggling sifting through them to figure out which I still need to read.  
(This was all fine when the Kindle app on my phone held all the unread books, 
but that got messed up when I had to reset and restore my phone. )   I bumbled 
around on the amazon site and finally figured out where to go.  I could access 
a list of my books on the amazon site, but I cannot find an accessible way  to 
access the actions menu where the delete link is supposed to be.  Anyone found 
a way via the site on your phone or PC to clean up your content library?  I'm 
using JAWS 2019 on my laptop and can use my phone, but just hoping for anyone 
who has successfully done this.


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Aura meditation app

[Beth G]

Hello all,

Has anyone tried this app with voiceover? It looked mostly accessible, but I 
cannot seem to get any of the meditations to play.

Maybe it’s not accessible? Or am I missing something?

Thanks,

Beth

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Re: Bank America new bill pay function in mobile app

[Mary Jo Partyka]

I had the same problem with the bank of America pays. I will also try the 
wreath finger scrub down. I had called the bank about a month or two ago and 
they claim they would get back to me also and they didn’t. It’s a really 
frustrating thing because the mobile app used to be so easy to use. Let me know 
if they get back to you thank you

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2019, at 7:28 PM, Bobby Druesedow  wrote:
> 
> It has changed, and is more difficult. I found that I could only swipe 
> through about 4 payees, and then it would jump to the bottom of the list. If 
> you will do a 3 finger swipe down before you reach the last one in the group 
> then you should get to the next group of 4 or 5 payees. I called 800-933-6262 
> to ask about the changes that were made that don't work with VO, and they 
> sent me to a department where I spoke with someone who was supposed to get 
> back to me, but this was a month or so ago, and I'm still waiting by the 
> phone. I figured out the 3 finger swipe thing on my own. HTH 
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Terrianne Straw  wrote:
>> 
>> Paying bills in Bank America’s mobile app used to be so simple and easy.  It 
>> was recently changed and I can’t figure out how to use it. Is anybody else 
>> using thisnew page?  Thank you so much.
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RE: Voice Dream Scanner.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And who really cares if KNFB Reader ups their game or not. It’s a free and 
competitive market and one wonders why KNFB Reader costs $100 and Voice Dream 
Scanner $5.99. KNFB Reader was developed by the NFB and I assume they do get 
grants and such whereas Voice Dream Scanner is developed by a guy who I assume 
does not. Maybe Winston has other income than that from his various apps, but 
the same applies to the Seeing Eye GPS, at an outright purchase price of $299 
it is pretty expensive especially since Sendero also received a lot of grants 
to develop it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Lumpkin
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 7:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Scanner.

I’m doing scans at our diningroom table with no lights on and am getting 
consistently good results.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dianne B 
Phelps
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 9:45 PM
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Subject: Voice Dream Scanner.

I did read through some mail this morning but felt that as I worked through 
what I had, there may have been a degradation in scan quality after doing and 
discarding several documents. I tried closing the program and restarting and 
finally got something which identified what I had, but just wondering if anyone 
else has noted this. It might have been that I was set up at my kitchen table 
and I am personally not as comfortable out there as I am in my big chair, page 
in my lap, phone to the center of the document, lifting and positioning 
properly to get picture. I will play with it some more. Overall, impressed and 
pleased and think it will ultimately be useful until or if NFB gets things back 
in action with KNFB Reader.

Russ, Thank you as well for that link. That demonstration was clearer to hear, 
and I learned a lot of things with the descriptives  there regarding settings 
which I can try and work with as well.

I am pleased with the purchase. Thanks again for everyone’s help.

Smiles to all,

Dianne and the Fur Crew
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RE: Bank America new bill pay function in mobile app

[Judy Holloway]

I have used the Bank of America iPhone app for many years, and they have really 
screwed it up within the last few months. You have to scroll down to see the 
list of payees, and paying bills and other transactions with this app are now 
more complicated. I've finally gotten it to work now, though.

 

Thanks.

 

Judy

 

 

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Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 8:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bank America new bill pay function in mobile app

 

 

We use too. 

My My wife is sighted and she says on the iPad Mini you see about 7 payees, 
while on the iPhone SE, you see maybe 3.

Flicking with one finger doesn't move beyond the first screen with VoiceOver, 
so you do have to do the three finger swipe to scroll the screen.

The good news is that you can now do several payees at once, which I guess is 
progress.

I think I'd prefer that the one finger flicks would continue through the list 
of payees.

Richard

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On Apr 7, 2019, at 4:28 PM, Bobby Druesedow mailto:bo...@druesedow.com> > wrote:

It has changed, and is more difficult. I found that I could only swipe through 
about 4 payees, and then it would jump to the bottom of the list. If you will 
do a 3 finger swipe down before you reach the last one in the group then you 
should get to the next group of 4 or 5 payees. I called 800-933-6262 to ask 
about the changes that were made that don't work with VO, and they sent me to a 
department where I spoke with someone who was supposed to get back to me, but 
this was a month or so ago, and I'm still waiting by the phone. I figured out 
the 3 finger swipe thing on my own. HTH 

Sent from my iPod


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Paying bills in Bank America’s mobile app used to be so simple and easy.  It 
was recently changed and I can’t figure out how to use it. Is anybody else 
using thisnew page?  Thank you so much.

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